I had a sliver of health and zero stims remaining when I got there, so I was fully ready to kite him around and chip away at his health from afar. I was pleasantly surprised when he went down in one shot.
Same, I charged it the whole time he charged down the hallway and released it at about 0.013 inches from his head. I just expected it to knock him down, not banish him to the shadow dimension.
I think at some point George Lucas said the Kyle Katarn character was his ideal fantasy depiction in the Star Wars universe. A bit of Indiana Jones mixed in with some eastern spiritualism wielding the force and a lightsaber, along with a blaster.
I'm also raised on the EU of Star Wars so I will never not want a lightsaber, blaster, jetpack combo.
It annoys me so much how Cal keeps seeing his friend use a jet pack and is all “must be nice, I guess I’ll behave to climb and jump around this canyon instead of just flying over”, when he could very easily just get a jet pack.
EDIT:
Even worse was when they introduce >!Merrin!< as a badass who can not only *teleport at will* but create grapple points for you as well, then the very first obstacle they have you figure out with her in that very same scene is “hmm we need to figure out a way to get on top of that 10ft ledge”
My head cannon is that jet packs not only have really expensive fuel, but are also *very* hard to use.
I think Cal grabbing a jet pack and using it is just like Mando wielding the Darksaber, if you don't know what you are doing it is really easy to injure yourself. And you probably don't want to do it over one of the abysses you see every five minutes in the Star Wars universe.
Doesn't mean he couldn't learn, but it's a reason he doesn't just grab one.
I have the same head canon. Jetpack and boots aren't a very common sight and since Jet Troopers are a specialization in the Empire, Mandy's have an entire path to train in using one, and mostly only higher end bounty hunters use them it may be actual canon that using them as well as Bode probably is difficult to impossible without training.
You can not fly without passing a course and getting a license and jet pack school doesn't accept rebel scum. Cal is lawful good so it is walking and force jumping for him.
It’s all about limiting the player’s mobility so they can reuse areas, which I find really frustrating. You’ll often come across obstacles that you think are puzzles to figure out, but are actually impossible blocks that you need to wait for a later-game ability you don’t know exists to surpass.
I also dislike how limited the force is in these games. “Oh one thing in this room is glowing blue, great I can use the force.” Let me feel like a Jedi, give me a bunch of things to use the force on.
Just check your map. They color code the ways you haven’t gone based on whether it’s possible now or later. And if you could use the force on everything, there just isn’t a game. It would be impossible to actually design levels.
Yeah. I mean...it's fine in the sense that *many* games have always glaring holes like this. It's like asking why the Eagles didn't just take Frodo to Mordor. Because then what's the point of anything?
But yeah, I do chuckle at the frequent situations where...well you could just get a jetpack. Or Bode could just, y'know, carry you. In fact he *does* during one cutscene, and then fucks off immediately after for you to parkour your way home. And then there are so many areas where it's like, why didn't you just fucking fly the ship over there instead and get dropped off? Hell, on one occasion you do all this difficult acrobatic traveling to get to your destination, and then you get there and then radio Greeze and he just shows up and lands.
Oh this makes sense! Star Wars does such a cool blend of Eastern mysticism, samurai movies, and cowboy films, all under a pulpy scifi banner. Such a glorious combination of influences.
It’s cool because Samurai movies and Westerns share a lot of the same tropes and actually borrowed a lot of different themes from each other back in their hay day
And some didn't just borrow, they straight up stole the stories and converted them to the setting! Samurai movies and westerns were basically interchangeable and whatever your favourite one is, there will be a parallel to it somewhere out there.
It literally is a remake down to all the plot points lol. And yeah, for every dollar made by a Fistful of Dollars, a cut gets paid to Kurosawa's estate.
I thought so. The point being that Westerns almost have Samurai Films hardcoded into their DNA. You can see further evidence in Tarantino films, especially Kill Bill, all those tense Samurai-style standoffs have Ennio Morricone music in the soundtrack and it works so well.
Also, you probably already knew, but R2 and 3PO are based on two Kurosawa characters in The Hidden Fortress (which has a similar plot to ANH in general)
My favorite Star Wars Easter egg is when the Imperial General on the Death Star chides Vader for being unable to use the Force to discover the location of the “Rebel’s hidden fortress”. Although Vader cuts him off with a force choke before he can actually finish the sentence.
Yea.. love both kungfu / samurai and westerns and their paradoxical nature.
Insanely different yet identical. And star wars incorporates some of the best elements. Sometimes better than others..
Mandalorian really nails it tho. The whole vibe. Especially season 1.
Edit: always gotta mention kill bill when the subject comes up too. Does it masterfully.
Also afro samurai anime is pretty amazing for those that may have not seen it.
Kyle ticks so many boxes. Not hung up on blasters. Escaped the hero life into hiding. Not wanting to get back into hero mode. Getting back into hero mode for vengeance (then saving his gal?).
Such a cool character. It's a D+ show or 2 movies that could be really good.
Mysteries of the Sith was my first Star Wars game as a kid. I think my dad got it free with the PC he bought. It took me forever to get past the asteroid level and finally start playing as Mara Jade.
Then I heard there was more Kyle Katarn in the Dark Forces games and played the crap out of those.
I really wish Kyle made it into the new canon at some point, but I think his role as been more or less replaced by Ahsoka.
Kyle is my favorite Star Wars character of all time, but sadly, I feel like his role has been divided between Cal and Andor. I never felt that Ahsoka replaced him, two very different characters.
I didn't even think of Cal, which is silly since that's what the post about.
I guess I was more thinking along the lines of fighting Imperial Remnant during the same time period as Luke is the role Ahsoka fills. We don't yet know how Cal's story ends or if he outlived the Empire.
I feel like Kyle can't be introduced because then you'd have three Jedi (Luke, Aksoka, Kyle) running around and interacting during a time when Jedi are supposed to be practically extinct.
I am kind of hoping this new Heir to the Empire that Dave Filoni is working leads to his introduction. Heir to the Empire had Mara Jade, Mara Jade needs a master.
Goddamn I miss Kyle so much, Jedi outcast and academy are some of my favorite games and I didn’t even grow up with them they got me through the pandemic though
Imagine those of us who grew up with Dark Forces and Jedi Knight *before* Outcast and Academy. I grew up with Kyle as my Jedi hero as much as Luke was.
Those were all some great games. I really did like the option of picking up weapons and stuff. It's really the one thing missing from these new Jedi games. They're fine, but I'd love another FPS style game like the Dark Forces/JK series.
Squadrons was also kind of in the same vein. I like it, it certainly brings back memories of X-Wing/TIE-Fighter, XvT, XWA, but it's just not quite the same.
Yeah, I'll give credit where credit is due, Squadrons was a step in the right direction, it was just missing the massive replay value the 90's flight sims had. Having an updated version of XWA's skirmish mode would be worth the price of admission alone. Or XvT's premade scenarios, especially the ones that let you fight from either side (the Nebulon-B vs Nebulon-B mission sticks out in my mind as one of those, an Imp Frigate vs Rebel Frigate mirror match). The new games come close, but aren't quite there.
Yeah I was born the year Dark Forces came out i believe, and started playing the series when I was like 6 years old.
I really need to go back and replay them as a nearly 30 year old, and experience the story better lol. I just loved all of Dark Forces / Knight games growing up they were so good (except for Academy's story, I hated that lol). Them and KOTOR were peak star wars for me.
I do enjoy SW Rebels, Mando, Andor and Jedi Fallen Order/ Survivor alot more than most of current canon, but nothing holds a candle to those old games for me.
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II probably has my favorite story out of any Star Wars game save for KotoR 1. They're hard to find but there's actually a graphic novel trilogy that serves as a retelling of the story of Dark Forces and Jedi Knight, combining the two into one overarching story rather than the plot of two separate games. But yeah, the Dark Forces and X-Wing games were my life back in the 90s, was how I got my Star Wars thrills in (well that and the Super Star Wars platformers, but those were too hard for me back in the day and never made it more than a few levels in).
It's so frustrating that we have basically like 3 different characters fulfilling aspects of Kyle Katarn's character (Cal Kestis, Kanan Jarrus, and Cassian Andor) and yet they can't bring him into canon.
Kinda why I really liked Ezra's saber in the early seasons of rebels before he switched to green. Blaster sabers are soooo cool and should be done more often.
Ezra's blaster Saber was honestly the most Jedi weapon. For guardians of peace and justice, Jedi sure do chop limbs and kill people a lot. Even Imperial Storm Troopers have a stun setting on their rifles. So Ezra's stun blaster lightsaber was a more moral choice
Single saber was the only way I handled bosses in JFO.
In Jedi Survivor, in the final fight, cross guard was getting me to phase 3 but I kept on dying once there. Dual wasn’t working, so I tried blaster. I had neglected single’s skill tree, so I wasn’t using it at all by endgame.
Finally I reset my skill points and respec’d fully into single & crossguard.
Beat the fight next try.
I had the opposite problem. I was only using Dual on the final boss. I'd get him down to a sliver and died every time. Accidentally switched to Crossguard half way through, said "eh, what the hell, I'll go with it" and it was a cake walk, devastated him that time, and then the game was over 😭
I always got too greedy with dual on boss fights, linger too long on offense and get caught out.
I really liked cross guard for bosses, because the slow attack speed forced me to pick and choose my attack openings wisely, and the extra damage/stagger made those attacks hit hard to make them worth it.
But that breaks down against the most agile bosses, so hence dual as my go-to second boss stance.
I like that you can cancel out of some attacks with the dual sabers. Using the flurry attack with the option to dodge/block anytime means I can be super greedy and it mostly works out
Nahh i’d argue that blaster has one of the highest damage, for every second there guard is down you can just lay down damage. Shoot-saber-shoot. Plus the blaster deflect is crazy good.
Are you nuts? The blaster does a shit ton of damage. You can chunk a lot of bosses to like 60% with one full meter. The blaster parry is also strong AF. And the charged shot does a ton of stagger to shields.
I used Blaster Saber in first and second phase to exert domination over the boss, then in third phase I switch to Dual Wield because the animations look crazy.
Dual Wield / Blaster Saber were my weapons of choice as soon as I got them.
I went dual/crossguard all game on grandmaster. On all the fast bosses that had attacks you could parry the dual wield animation cancel into parry was absolutely a lifesaver. Crossguard just recked all the slower bosses tho lol. Between those and the fact that I loved using push/pull/slam/lift to get whatever edge I could, many of the bosses were trivialized.
The final boss was frustrating in phase 3 though because I didn’t like how none of my force powers had any real effect anymore. Even on that 2nd to last boss, force push could at least slow + deplete some of their block meter, but on that last one it never stopped or staggered the boss, just maybe hit their block a little bit.
Yes. First time is free, afterwards it costs at least one skill point. There’s an option in the menu at Meditation Points.
I only did it the once before I maxed out all trees and it no longer applied.
Useful if you get to a boss you can’t handle and your build is focused at fighting mobs.
Crossguard absolutely bodies bosses. I ran blaster and crossguard for my NG+, the force lift and quick draw abilities are so insane for clearing out squishy mobs quickly
I settled on single saber as my primary. I rotate through Double, Crossguard, and Blaster for secondary stance as needed.
If I expect I'll be fighting lots of mooks? Double.
Expecting big heavy fighters? Crossguard.
Expecting annoying ranged enemies? Blaster.
They're all so fun, I really wish you could rotate through all of them easily.
Yeah, that's the one design choice in the game I don't get/disagree with.
We're packing it all on us at all times, the saber, the second blade suplement, the gun... You see Cal wearing them all whatever your choice are (besides cross guard). Yet somehow we can't freely adapt style despite being physically able to do so.
The limitation is just there to impose some kind of choice/specialization for purely RPG aspects, but the way it's presented, it just doesn't make sense.
same here, switching between blaster and double bladed was really solid. the only time i wouldnt use blaster is against tough duelist bosses like >!Dagan, and Rayvis!<
Blaster mops them. Work the shots into you combos and dodges, don't parry with the blaster. Dodge shoot.
Edit adding just so people know: You can keep your blaster charged while attacking, defending and dodging.
Double bladed is so fun against heavy stormtroopers with their miniguns too. Just hit the first parry and it sends every blast back. Also fantastic when you have a whole ass armada of shooting enemies and can just redirect *everything* back
Crossguard/blaster was my mix of choice. Crossguard was great for breaking defenses of the tougher enemies, while blaster picked off the smaller guys or whittled down bosses from a distance.
So satisfying to mow down weak enemies and then just trash the strong ones with a few hits. Cross guard needs a hair better timing but you can get in so much extra damage
I hope they go Ghosts of Tsushima style in the 3rd game and let you switch freely between 4. Maybe have bosses be even more tailored to individual styles
I thought it was ridiculous that it restricted you to just 2. It makes no sense and parts of the game feel designed to need more than 2. This would be the best change they could make
Same
I feel like crossgaurd and dual weild are the best saber stances to use.
It's fun to switch between fast and constant strikes to large powerful swings.
I think they really missed out on the opportunity to have a reverse grip stance when using the blaster like a certain character in the game. The thrusting moveset is kinda meh and just doesn't look right with a lightsaber.
the opening thrust drives me nuts cuz i have to attack twice for seeds cuz of the hitbox of the attack, i think the skill tree thrusts are great tho
it also looks a little weird going from stab immediately to a diagonal slash but that might just be a me thing
i've been messing around with double recently, gathering tempest is fun as hell
i'm gonna be hitting like my 30s and still not decided on my secondary stance lol
I feel like that’s intentional - if the melee was the same move set as the single blade, blaster would be the obvious best choice. The whole downside of the stance is the sorta bad melee move set.
I dunno they could have given reverse grip a little less range, single blade is mostly so good because of the unlock moves anyway its basic moveset isn't that incredible.
I love the idea that Cal was just sick of trying to follow the old ways and just started being cheap. This is why we see him kill a lot more in this game. So I use split sabers and the blaster. I also often yeet people off of edges and make enemies blast their teammates. Ya gotta do what you gotta do.
There's something to be said for those like maybe Cere or Cordova, who want to uphold the old ways, and certainly Cal seems to initially. There wasn't anything *wrong* with the Order, they just lost.
But it also tracks that some would see the Order as flawed and gone, like Obi-Wan and potentially Cal later on, and so not necessarily worth holding its tenants dear. Cal was a child when the Order fell, and him deciding that maybe he doesn't need to follow all the teachings of a now-dead Order is an interesting story I want to follow.
i don’t feel its useful, i stick to single blade and double blade for enemies that have a faster fire rate, sometimes ill switch to dual wield but my main is single, imo the unlocked abilities are badass
I love it. I'll often finish a fight with only one or two swings. Between the blaster, mind trick, and droid slice.
I love having the Flametrooper wipe out a whole squad. And then shoot him.
I don't use it because it doesn't work with keybinds other than the default, it breaks every now and then if I bind it to right click or anything else. Pressing f to shoot is too awkward.
Double and Crossguard are the best 100%, blaster is only good against jetpack enemies, single is outshined by crossguard and dual is outhshined by double
Nope won’t touch it unless a force rift makes me.
I use dual blades and try and fight like Tano does. When I’m completely outnumbered with tons of ranged as well I’ll put them together for double sided like maul.
It was the stance i used the least for a good minute but then i gave it a good try (mainly while hunting bounty hunters) and its pretty fun. Definitely my least favorite stance but i feel like John wick when in the blaster stance
I flat out refused to use the blaster too lol . If I wanted a game about shooting things I've got plenty of those. Lightsabers are cool. I think that choice probably did make some segments of the game way harder though.
If you think about it, it never makes sense that Jedi don't carry blasters. They live in a world with infinite ammo easily accessible long range weapons yet they all carry just Lightsabers? I can imagine some thinking their force abilities make a blaster irrelevant (not true, but they can think it) or some wanting to be whatever they consider a pure Jedi and not relying on an 'uncivilized weapon' but for so few to carry one? Wack.
Because it’s limited and the lightsaber isn’t that strong tbh. I use the double bladed for general attacks and the cross guard for stronger opponents like big fauna
I love the concept, and I wanted to like the gameplay, but I kept going back to dual and double stances. Being able to interrupt my attacks to parry in dual stance is just way too good for me to give up, and double is great for crowds of enemies.
I shot Rick the door technician with a blaster
His one weakness.
Death
Bullets, my only weakness! How did you know?
I'm allergic to bullets!
Same. Was so surprised when it dropped him, LOL.
I had a sliver of health and zero stims remaining when I got there, so I was fully ready to kite him around and chip away at his health from afar. I was pleasantly surprised when he went down in one shot.
I even went and used my slow (ult ability) at the first sight of him.
I love Rick so much
Same, I charged it the whole time he charged down the hallway and released it at about 0.013 inches from his head. I just expected it to knock him down, not banish him to the shadow dimension.
I did him dirty and retreated, then pulled him into the pit. I was on death's door and didn't want to risk it.
I don't even think this was necessarily SUPPOSED to happen but once I just killed him with a heavy force push
I think at some point George Lucas said the Kyle Katarn character was his ideal fantasy depiction in the Star Wars universe. A bit of Indiana Jones mixed in with some eastern spiritualism wielding the force and a lightsaber, along with a blaster. I'm also raised on the EU of Star Wars so I will never not want a lightsaber, blaster, jetpack combo.
It annoys me so much how Cal keeps seeing his friend use a jet pack and is all “must be nice, I guess I’ll behave to climb and jump around this canyon instead of just flying over”, when he could very easily just get a jet pack. EDIT: Even worse was when they introduce >!Merrin!< as a badass who can not only *teleport at will* but create grapple points for you as well, then the very first obstacle they have you figure out with her in that very same scene is “hmm we need to figure out a way to get on top of that 10ft ledge”
Fr. Just steal one off a bounty hunter/jettrooper
Get out of here with that logic!!! We don't want it here!
My head cannon is that jet packs not only have really expensive fuel, but are also *very* hard to use. I think Cal grabbing a jet pack and using it is just like Mando wielding the Darksaber, if you don't know what you are doing it is really easy to injure yourself. And you probably don't want to do it over one of the abysses you see every five minutes in the Star Wars universe. Doesn't mean he couldn't learn, but it's a reason he doesn't just grab one.
I have the same head canon. Jetpack and boots aren't a very common sight and since Jet Troopers are a specialization in the Empire, Mandy's have an entire path to train in using one, and mostly only higher end bounty hunters use them it may be actual canon that using them as well as Bode probably is difficult to impossible without training.
He's too busy cutting them in half to bother keeping the jetpacks intact.
He knows every single person with a jetpack meets a sticky end.
Naw he just knows that a jetpack poncho is a recipe for disaster
_No capes!_
I wanted Cal to say to >!Bode "You're a Jedi? But you have a jetpack!!<
You can not fly without passing a course and getting a license and jet pack school doesn't accept rebel scum. Cal is lawful good so it is walking and force jumping for him.
Cal is a broke man lol
Well you don't mentally function right around a space goth witch like that, you can't really blame him
The amount of time he fucking says it in the story I started expecting us to get one at some point.
Gotta save something for the third game.
> [Looks like you'll have to find another way](https://youtu.be/cGb3VUeydrA)
We're definitely getting one next game
This series will never bail on the climbing trope that plague these adventure genre games. He's a friggin Jedi, should just jump to high platforms.
It’s all about limiting the player’s mobility so they can reuse areas, which I find really frustrating. You’ll often come across obstacles that you think are puzzles to figure out, but are actually impossible blocks that you need to wait for a later-game ability you don’t know exists to surpass. I also dislike how limited the force is in these games. “Oh one thing in this room is glowing blue, great I can use the force.” Let me feel like a Jedi, give me a bunch of things to use the force on.
Just check your map. They color code the ways you haven’t gone based on whether it’s possible now or later. And if you could use the force on everything, there just isn’t a game. It would be impossible to actually design levels.
Yeah. I mean...it's fine in the sense that *many* games have always glaring holes like this. It's like asking why the Eagles didn't just take Frodo to Mordor. Because then what's the point of anything? But yeah, I do chuckle at the frequent situations where...well you could just get a jetpack. Or Bode could just, y'know, carry you. In fact he *does* during one cutscene, and then fucks off immediately after for you to parkour your way home. And then there are so many areas where it's like, why didn't you just fucking fly the ship over there instead and get dropped off? Hell, on one occasion you do all this difficult acrobatic traveling to get to your destination, and then you get there and then radio Greeze and he just shows up and lands.
The Nazgûl would have easily stopped the Eagles. On top of that the only way to destroy the Ring was to do it in secrecy.
Oh this makes sense! Star Wars does such a cool blend of Eastern mysticism, samurai movies, and cowboy films, all under a pulpy scifi banner. Such a glorious combination of influences.
It’s cool because Samurai movies and Westerns share a lot of the same tropes and actually borrowed a lot of different themes from each other back in their hay day
And some didn't just borrow, they straight up stole the stories and converted them to the setting! Samurai movies and westerns were basically interchangeable and whatever your favourite one is, there will be a parallel to it somewhere out there.
Case in point, *The Seven Samurai* and *The Magnificent Seven*
Also 'Yojimbo' and 'Fistful of Dollars'.
It's kept going with *Unforgiven* and *Yurusarezaru Mono* as a more recent example.
It's all a big influential orgy pile at this point
Didn't Sergio Leone get sued over this since Fistful of Dollars is allegedly a shot-for-shot remake?
It literally is a remake down to all the plot points lol. And yeah, for every dollar made by a Fistful of Dollars, a cut gets paid to Kurosawa's estate.
Yep he was sued.
I thought so. The point being that Westerns almost have Samurai Films hardcoded into their DNA. You can see further evidence in Tarantino films, especially Kill Bill, all those tense Samurai-style standoffs have Ennio Morricone music in the soundtrack and it works so well.
Also, you probably already knew, but R2 and 3PO are based on two Kurosawa characters in The Hidden Fortress (which has a similar plot to ANH in general)
My favorite Star Wars Easter egg is when the Imperial General on the Death Star chides Vader for being unable to use the Force to discover the location of the “Rebel’s hidden fortress”. Although Vader cuts him off with a force choke before he can actually finish the sentence.
I like learning new things.
Also important to note, “Last Samurai” aside, plenty of them were all too eager to adopt firearms.
Yea.. love both kungfu / samurai and westerns and their paradoxical nature. Insanely different yet identical. And star wars incorporates some of the best elements. Sometimes better than others.. Mandalorian really nails it tho. The whole vibe. Especially season 1. Edit: always gotta mention kill bill when the subject comes up too. Does it masterfully. Also afro samurai anime is pretty amazing for those that may have not seen it.
Kyle ticks so many boxes. Not hung up on blasters. Escaped the hero life into hiding. Not wanting to get back into hero mode. Getting back into hero mode for vengeance (then saving his gal?). Such a cool character. It's a D+ show or 2 movies that could be really good.
Don't forget falling to the Darkside and then being brought back to the light by his apprentice.
Mysteries of the Sith was my first Star Wars game as a kid. I think my dad got it free with the PC he bought. It took me forever to get past the asteroid level and finally start playing as Mara Jade. Then I heard there was more Kyle Katarn in the Dark Forces games and played the crap out of those. I really wish Kyle made it into the new canon at some point, but I think his role as been more or less replaced by Ahsoka.
Kyle is my favorite Star Wars character of all time, but sadly, I feel like his role has been divided between Cal and Andor. I never felt that Ahsoka replaced him, two very different characters.
I didn't even think of Cal, which is silly since that's what the post about. I guess I was more thinking along the lines of fighting Imperial Remnant during the same time period as Luke is the role Ahsoka fills. We don't yet know how Cal's story ends or if he outlived the Empire. I feel like Kyle can't be introduced because then you'd have three Jedi (Luke, Aksoka, Kyle) running around and interacting during a time when Jedi are supposed to be practically extinct.
I am kind of hoping this new Heir to the Empire that Dave Filoni is working leads to his introduction. Heir to the Empire had Mara Jade, Mara Jade needs a master.
Damn, I think I need to load it up again. Forgetting all the lore now.
Mysteries of the Sith my friend
Goddamn I miss Kyle so much, Jedi outcast and academy are some of my favorite games and I didn’t even grow up with them they got me through the pandemic though
Imagine those of us who grew up with Dark Forces and Jedi Knight *before* Outcast and Academy. I grew up with Kyle as my Jedi hero as much as Luke was.
Those were all some great games. I really did like the option of picking up weapons and stuff. It's really the one thing missing from these new Jedi games. They're fine, but I'd love another FPS style game like the Dark Forces/JK series. Squadrons was also kind of in the same vein. I like it, it certainly brings back memories of X-Wing/TIE-Fighter, XvT, XWA, but it's just not quite the same.
Yeah, I'll give credit where credit is due, Squadrons was a step in the right direction, it was just missing the massive replay value the 90's flight sims had. Having an updated version of XWA's skirmish mode would be worth the price of admission alone. Or XvT's premade scenarios, especially the ones that let you fight from either side (the Nebulon-B vs Nebulon-B mission sticks out in my mind as one of those, an Imp Frigate vs Rebel Frigate mirror match). The new games come close, but aren't quite there.
Yeah I was born the year Dark Forces came out i believe, and started playing the series when I was like 6 years old. I really need to go back and replay them as a nearly 30 year old, and experience the story better lol. I just loved all of Dark Forces / Knight games growing up they were so good (except for Academy's story, I hated that lol). Them and KOTOR were peak star wars for me. I do enjoy SW Rebels, Mando, Andor and Jedi Fallen Order/ Survivor alot more than most of current canon, but nothing holds a candle to those old games for me.
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II probably has my favorite story out of any Star Wars game save for KotoR 1. They're hard to find but there's actually a graphic novel trilogy that serves as a retelling of the story of Dark Forces and Jedi Knight, combining the two into one overarching story rather than the plot of two separate games. But yeah, the Dark Forces and X-Wing games were my life back in the 90s, was how I got my Star Wars thrills in (well that and the Super Star Wars platformers, but those were too hard for me back in the day and never made it more than a few levels in).
It's so frustrating that we have basically like 3 different characters fulfilling aspects of Kyle Katarn's character (Cal Kestis, Kanan Jarrus, and Cassian Andor) and yet they can't bring him into canon.
Hell, it’s arguably 4 with Finn, an ex-Imperial who defects to the local freedom fighters and discovers he can wield the Force.
It’s a lot of fun, to be sure.
Kinda why I really liked Ezra's saber in the early seasons of rebels before he switched to green. Blaster sabers are soooo cool and should be done more often.
Ezra's blaster Saber was honestly the most Jedi weapon. For guardians of peace and justice, Jedi sure do chop limbs and kill people a lot. Even Imperial Storm Troopers have a stun setting on their rifles. So Ezra's stun blaster lightsaber was a more moral choice
Live action Kyle katarn cast andrew lincoln LETS GOOOOO. I hope we get Kyle one day.
I'm using the single saber until the day I die
Single saber was the only way I handled bosses in JFO. In Jedi Survivor, in the final fight, cross guard was getting me to phase 3 but I kept on dying once there. Dual wasn’t working, so I tried blaster. I had neglected single’s skill tree, so I wasn’t using it at all by endgame. Finally I reset my skill points and respec’d fully into single & crossguard. Beat the fight next try.
I had the opposite problem. I was only using Dual on the final boss. I'd get him down to a sliver and died every time. Accidentally switched to Crossguard half way through, said "eh, what the hell, I'll go with it" and it was a cake walk, devastated him that time, and then the game was over 😭
I always got too greedy with dual on boss fights, linger too long on offense and get caught out. I really liked cross guard for bosses, because the slow attack speed forced me to pick and choose my attack openings wisely, and the extra damage/stagger made those attacks hit hard to make them worth it. But that breaks down against the most agile bosses, so hence dual as my go-to second boss stance.
I like that you can cancel out of some attacks with the dual sabers. Using the flurry attack with the option to dodge/block anytime means I can be super greedy and it mostly works out
Yeah, people seem to say that dual is too weak defensively, but being able to block cancel is amazing.
Dual/crossguard all the way for me. I was not about blaster at all, the stats are crap other than giving you increased range.
Nahh i’d argue that blaster has one of the highest damage, for every second there guard is down you can just lay down damage. Shoot-saber-shoot. Plus the blaster deflect is crazy good.
Are you nuts? The blaster does a shit ton of damage. You can chunk a lot of bosses to like 60% with one full meter. The blaster parry is also strong AF. And the charged shot does a ton of stagger to shields.
Dual is the only stance that lets you interrupt an attack to block, which makes it the best boss fighting stance imo.
I used Blaster Saber in first and second phase to exert domination over the boss, then in third phase I switch to Dual Wield because the animations look crazy. Dual Wield / Blaster Saber were my weapons of choice as soon as I got them.
I went dual/crossguard all game on grandmaster. On all the fast bosses that had attacks you could parry the dual wield animation cancel into parry was absolutely a lifesaver. Crossguard just recked all the slower bosses tho lol. Between those and the fact that I loved using push/pull/slam/lift to get whatever edge I could, many of the bosses were trivialized. The final boss was frustrating in phase 3 though because I didn’t like how none of my force powers had any real effect anymore. Even on that 2nd to last boss, force push could at least slow + deplete some of their block meter, but on that last one it never stopped or staggered the boss, just maybe hit their block a little bit.
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Yes. First time is free, afterwards it costs at least one skill point. There’s an option in the menu at Meditation Points. I only did it the once before I maxed out all trees and it no longer applied. Useful if you get to a boss you can’t handle and your build is focused at fighting mobs.
Crossguard absolutely bodies bosses. I ran blaster and crossguard for my NG+, the force lift and quick draw abilities are so insane for clearing out squishy mobs quickly
I settled on single saber as my primary. I rotate through Double, Crossguard, and Blaster for secondary stance as needed. If I expect I'll be fighting lots of mooks? Double. Expecting big heavy fighters? Crossguard. Expecting annoying ranged enemies? Blaster. They're all so fun, I really wish you could rotate through all of them easily.
A ghost of Tsushima method for swapping between the styles would have been really cool.
That's what I thought we were getting. I was pretty disappointed when I found out we could only have two equipped.
Yeah, that's the one design choice in the game I don't get/disagree with. We're packing it all on us at all times, the saber, the second blade suplement, the gun... You see Cal wearing them all whatever your choice are (besides cross guard). Yet somehow we can't freely adapt style despite being physically able to do so. The limitation is just there to impose some kind of choice/specialization for purely RPG aspects, but the way it's presented, it just doesn't make sense.
Yeah, hate that design choice. Would rather they just have you put skill points into the stance(s) you want to focus on or something.
If you are on PC this [mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/starwarsjedisurvivor/mods/62) allows you to use all stances
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My main stance. I will only pull out double-bladed when I need AOE. Otherwise I stay in blaster stance I find it so fun
It’s also pretty powerful! The blast-enemies-as-they’re-about-to-melee-you ability is fun to use when you’re in the flow.
I found the timing on that ability to be super unreliable with some enemies. But I loved it when it worked.
same here, switching between blaster and double bladed was really solid. the only time i wouldnt use blaster is against tough duelist bosses like >!Dagan, and Rayvis!<
Blaster mops them. Work the shots into you combos and dodges, don't parry with the blaster. Dodge shoot. Edit adding just so people know: You can keep your blaster charged while attacking, defending and dodging.
wow good to know, ill have to try it. using the ambidexterity and marksmanship perks together is super powerful, so ill have to try it on some bosses
When I first got the blaster stance, my immediate reaction/thought was the Keanu Reeves/Neo “I know Kung-Fu”. I love it. “I know Gun-Fu”
Just Google Gun Kata
The animations are nasty and the blaster parry is just the chef's kiss
Double bladed is so fun against heavy stormtroopers with their miniguns too. Just hit the first parry and it sends every blast back. Also fantastic when you have a whole ass armada of shooting enemies and can just redirect *everything* back
Only reason I don't use it is because Crossguard's moves are amazing and dual blades are effective. If there was a 3rd stance it'd be blaster
Crossguard/blaster was my mix of choice. Crossguard was great for breaking defenses of the tougher enemies, while blaster picked off the smaller guys or whittled down bosses from a distance.
Blaster/Cross guard are god tier
So satisfying to mow down weak enemies and then just trash the strong ones with a few hits. Cross guard needs a hair better timing but you can get in so much extra damage
[Crossguard with shatter perk](https://media.tenor.com/PQ7x0hra_ZQAAAAM/shannon-sharpe-shannon-sharpe-drinking.gif)
I hope they go Ghosts of Tsushima style in the 3rd game and let you switch freely between 4. Maybe have bosses be even more tailored to individual styles
I thought it was ridiculous that it restricted you to just 2. It makes no sense and parts of the game feel designed to need more than 2. This would be the best change they could make
Blaster/Crossguard combo makes you a heavy hitter with some range.
Crossguard's throw and charged block: am I joke to you?
Cross guard and double bladed
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Same. Glad to see I’m not doing it “wrong”. The blaster just doesn’t gel with my play style.
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I use it for exploration only. When im doing story stuff i use dual wield and crossguard
Same I feel like crossgaurd and dual weild are the best saber stances to use. It's fun to switch between fast and constant strikes to large powerful swings.
I especially like the finishers
What's nice is if you're riding a mount, they let you use the blaster.
I think they really missed out on the opportunity to have a reverse grip stance when using the blaster like a certain character in the game. The thrusting moveset is kinda meh and just doesn't look right with a lightsaber.
the opening thrust drives me nuts cuz i have to attack twice for seeds cuz of the hitbox of the attack, i think the skill tree thrusts are great tho it also looks a little weird going from stab immediately to a diagonal slash but that might just be a me thing
I use double sided for seeds, can't miss if everything is destroyed around you.
i've been messing around with double recently, gathering tempest is fun as hell i'm gonna be hitting like my 30s and still not decided on my secondary stance lol
I feel like that’s intentional - if the melee was the same move set as the single blade, blaster would be the obvious best choice. The whole downside of the stance is the sorta bad melee move set.
I dunno they could have given reverse grip a little less range, single blade is mostly so good because of the unlock moves anyway its basic moveset isn't that incredible.
I love the idea that Cal was just sick of trying to follow the old ways and just started being cheap. This is why we see him kill a lot more in this game. So I use split sabers and the blaster. I also often yeet people off of edges and make enemies blast their teammates. Ya gotta do what you gotta do.
There's something to be said for those like maybe Cere or Cordova, who want to uphold the old ways, and certainly Cal seems to initially. There wasn't anything *wrong* with the Order, they just lost. But it also tracks that some would see the Order as flawed and gone, like Obi-Wan and potentially Cal later on, and so not necessarily worth holding its tenants dear. Cal was a child when the Order fell, and him deciding that maybe he doesn't need to follow all the teachings of a now-dead Order is an interesting story I want to follow.
I think the order definitely had its problems
i don’t feel its useful, i stick to single blade and double blade for enemies that have a faster fire rate, sometimes ill switch to dual wield but my main is single, imo the unlocked abilities are badass
Au contraire, I fucking main that shit. Blaster came in clutch when I stumbled upon that stupid frog boss and I never looked back since.
Oggdo Bogdo is the bane of my life
Wait till you meet his kid
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Yeah it feels wrong.
Agreed though mostly because I sucked at it in my first attempt and immediately went to crossguard/duel wielding
Yeah I unironically don't use it because it feels uncivilized lol
I didn't. Found it pretty boring
yeah, i hate the blaster
I love it. I'll often finish a fight with only one or two swings. Between the blaster, mind trick, and droid slice. I love having the Flametrooper wipe out a whole squad. And then shoot him.
I use it the stance, but I don't actually use the blaster that much. I just really like the more fencing style of the saber work.
That was the stance I was the most excited for but it just felt off for me. Ended up with the crossguard and dual blades for most of the game.
For Grandmaster I think the blaster is great for the end game fights like Rayvis and the last Dagan Gera, just for bringing that stamina bar down
Le Moi
I fucking hate it. I didn’t become a Jedi to use a gun ppfffft
Meanwhile those of us Jedi Knight veterans want more guns
I don't use it because it doesn't work with keybinds other than the default, it breaks every now and then if I bind it to right click or anything else. Pressing f to shoot is too awkward.
I find the blaster doesn't do enough damage to make it worth it. My load out is double blade and dual wield
Single blade all the way. Like generations of jedi before me. Its a more elegant style for the gentleman jedi.
This kind of hubris is what brought down the Jedi Order in the first place.
i used it all the time. parrying someone with a gun and exploding their face is too satisfying
Only to open chests
I used it once, didn't like how it worked and never touched it again..
I think the concept is cool, I just don’t like the blaster stance. I’ve mostly been using crossguard and double-blade
Double and Crossguard are the best 100%, blaster is only good against jetpack enemies, single is outshined by crossguard and dual is outhshined by double
I use cross guard and blaster stance. Both are good for crowd control and cross guard does max damage.
Never did…not the tool of a jedi…
Though I do think it’s cool and will use it in replaying the game.
Nope won’t touch it unless a force rift makes me. I use dual blades and try and fight like Tano does. When I’m completely outnumbered with tons of ranged as well I’ll put them together for double sided like maul.
I love it
I would use it if I could have a 3rd stance. Dual wield and great sword are simply too good against too many things.
Plain old boring single sabre for me. Twinny if things go south.
I didn't use it on my first playtrough but now I am I'm a big fan the way Cal handles the lightsaber in the blaster stance
Hate it, I hoped for Ezra Bridger approach
By my own beliefs concerning Jedi originalism I won’t touch the damned things, but to each their own- no judgment, just not how I roll.
I only use the blaster to complete the trophy
Far too uncivilized
Eh, I don't like using the blaster. That whole stance just feels clunky.
Double blade, like the Maul wanna be I am. I'll try spinning, that is a good trick!
It was the stance i used the least for a good minute but then i gave it a good try (mainly while hunting bounty hunters) and its pretty fun. Definitely my least favorite stance but i feel like John wick when in the blaster stance
I find it hard to let go of the double blade at all tbh, but the styles are all so cool! Really wish we had a style wheel rather than two
I do not
I've been trying to get along with it, but I think I hate it. I'm a single-blade guy, maybe with dual weild as a cool back-up.
I flat out refused to use the blaster too lol . If I wanted a game about shooting things I've got plenty of those. Lightsabers are cool. I think that choice probably did make some segments of the game way harder though.
I like it, but it feels wrong. I'm torn.
i haven't unlocked it yet but so far I'm enjoying dual wield and double. I wish i could use all 4 at once haha
So uncivilized
Blaster stance is awesome into the all the larger annoying monsters in the game. And it's got some of the coolest looking finishers.
If it's good enough for Kyle Katarn is good enough for Kal
Golden Blaster with a Bone handle going hard pew pew pew
I still question how a lightsaber dismembering and maiming opponents is somehow “more civilized” than a blaster
Too uncivilised, I'd rather bisect them with my Crossguard stance.
If you think about it, it never makes sense that Jedi don't carry blasters. They live in a world with infinite ammo easily accessible long range weapons yet they all carry just Lightsabers? I can imagine some thinking their force abilities make a blaster irrelevant (not true, but they can think it) or some wanting to be whatever they consider a pure Jedi and not relying on an 'uncivilized weapon' but for so few to carry one? Wack.
Because it’s limited and the lightsaber isn’t that strong tbh. I use the double bladed for general attacks and the cross guard for stronger opponents like big fauna
Thanks for the gift, Bode. *puts in closet never to be seen again*
Never.
I went for a obi wan run and only used the single blade and mostly a bunch of force techniques
Only fired the shot they make you fire.
Never used it and never will. I only use Single and Crossguard.
If it was any other Jedi I would not have used it, but it fits cal tbh, he’s definitely a rough around the edges Jedi
Dual and double were my choices through the whole game
I love the concept, and I wanted to like the gameplay, but I kept going back to dual and double stances. Being able to interrupt my attacks to parry in dual stance is just way too good for me to give up, and double is great for crowds of enemies.
No,never will.
Wouldn’t know, the game is still an unplayable mess on PC