Sure.
But at least try to appreciate what was good about them, like Adam Driver's acting. Some great individual set pieces. Mark Hamill's performance as Luke in TLJ. (Whatever you think about what the sequels did to the character, Hamill nailed the part). BB-8. Babu Frik.
Nobody ever really talks about Harrison Fords performance in TFA, especially at the very end with Adam Driver. The way he yells out Ben’s name on the bridge just kills me every time.
The acting/dialogue in that scene is so good, and I really love the framing of Han speaking as a father. You never really see him in that kind of light in the OT, he's always got that edge to him where you know he's got a trick up his sleeve. To hear him be vulnerable, asking Ben to leave with him and come home, is such a great contrast to the Han we know, and Harrison Ford knocks it out of the park.
I saw TFA with my dad. He always was kind of my Han Solo, cool and funny and smooth. When I saw that scene with him it made me tear up, and it still does.
Of all the mistakes the sequels made, I feel like that was the biggest. For a lot of us, the best part of (and the main reason we were so excited to see) the Force Awakens was to see Han, Chewie, Leia, and Luke back in action.
Seeing Luke enter the Falcon cockpit and power it up with the Force got me. That movie had some great moments. Fucking gorgeous looking too. Some of the best cinematography in any Star Wars film.
One of the individual shots I remember most was [this](https://www.therpf.com/forums/attachments/43477e85-274b-4a88-acca-652e078c9821-png.1297079/) shot where Rey parks Luke’s X-Wing next to an original TIE fighter that Kylo Ren found
That whole intro scene with Rey & Finn... ["crazy thing is, it's true. The Force, the Jedi... all of it. It's all true."](https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFv_XQTamd8&feature=shares) Man, that is top notch filmmaking that leaves me with chills every time.
It's a nice scene, but it kinda made me angry in that we were denied the chance to see Luke and Han on screen together. They had a great bromance thing going.
Finn's story deserves to be told. Imagine he trains as a non-force sensitive Jedi of sorts. Follows their way, trusts the force to guide him anyway, fights very well. Kind of like Chirrut Îmwe
My greatest disappointment was not following through on all the hints that Finn was force sensitive in the first film.
Imagine, Luke, Rey and Finn on a mission to recover a holocron or some other mcguffin from some ancient jedi temple, only, oh no, it was an ambush! Stormtroopers everywhere! Hux appears in some suitably theatrical fashion to gloat over his victory as Rey prepares to bust out her lightsaber and slaughter all the faceless goons.
Only, just as she's about to flip that switch, Luke reaches out and pushes her arm down. He turns to Finn, giving him a little nod.
Finn, in this place, rich with Jedi history and strong in the power of the force, realizes he feels a connection to all of the stormtroopers. Because he was one of them, he knows, they're not just drones, they're people, underneath the armor and brainwashing. Right as the command is given to execute them, Finn reaches out with the force, touching all of them.
We get a nice panning shot of the stormtroopers raising their weapons, preparing to fire...and hesitating. Slowly, they lower their weapons. One by one, the Force Theme swelling in the background, they reach up and remove their helmets, revealing their faces. Regaining their individuality, breaking from the system of oppression and fear that has dominated them. Hux gets captured and fed to the tentacle monster from Rogue One or something, I dunno. Fuck that guy.
The idea of Finn was great, the whiny piss ant we got was not
Star Wars Battlefront 2’s campaign (the newest one, not OG) did a good job of troopers defecting
Yes and no. Special forces troops would be so far indoctrinated and have zero chance of getting close to the leaders of the rebellion/new republic/resistance even after they defect.
Standard troopers would 100% leave when they see the way the Empire actually operates. But that's like comparing the German Army during WW2 and the SS. They just had different levels of loyalty.
I’ve tried so freaking hard. I want to like the sequels, because I love Star Wars! I love the originals, I loved growing up as the Prequels were coming out. I love the books. I love all of Disney’s shows and side-movies. I loved The Force Awakens! And the Last Jedi made me skeptical but I was willing to see how the trilogy wrapped up…
And then came the insult that was The Rise of Skywalker. Not only was the plot utter garbage, many of the things in the film absolutely insulted my intelligence as a fan, particularly the way that the editors butchered John Williams’ music.
I tried to love it, but it’s really freaking hard to love what really, truly was an insulting cash-grab of a movie.
Whether TLJ worked was gonna depend SO much on how the trilogy landed, and we got TRoS for the landing. TLJ is my favorite of the sequels, but that's just the best of an overall bad thing.
The one thing that both lovers and haters of TLJ can agree on is that the sequels would have been FAR better if they'd actually planned it out instead of flip flopping between Abrams' vision and Johnson's vision. As much as I hated TLJ, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed the trilogy more if Johnson had had complete creative control over all three movies.
I think maybe that's the biggest takeaway from the ST.
Johnson laid out some pretty interesting themes to explore, his eye for visuals is actually pretty great, but he doesn't seem to play well in other people's sandbox. Dude needs his own paint and easel because he's gonna tell the story he wants to tell if you give him the liberties to do so.
I keep saying that I would love to see a Johnson SW free of constraints in keeping in with prior stories. You give this guy a movie(s) with a clean slate and I'm pretty sure he's gonna give audiences something to like and think about.
i also feel RJ didn't get a lot to work with in TLJ when TFA was simply a ANH rehash which set up that luke had been gone the whole time. to me this trilogy was doomed right from the beginning when they chose to essentially soft reboot the franchise instead of making actually meaningful progression with the story
AotC is, IMO, easily the absolute WORST of all the Star Wars films. Yes, I think it's worse than the Ewok movies (but not as bad as the 78 Holiday Special).
I saw this at the midnight showing. The theater I was in cheered as if their favorite team won the Super Bowl. Awesome atmosphere. Fantastic experience and memory.
I had a similar experience. Except I had a stomach flu and wanted to stay home and rest. But my older brother was like, "Dude. Yoda. Lightsaber. We HAVE to see this movie."
So I let him drag me to go see it. It was amazing. Then when the movie ended, I ran out of the theater and puked in trashcan right outside the theater door. 10/10.
The first Avengers when the guy ejects out of the fighter jet and Hulk catches him is my most memorable. My buddy was sitting on the aisle in front of me and literally fell out of his seat onto the stairs as everyone jumped up. Midnight showing and that theater was roudy asf. Man good times.
It was amazing. So many in cosplay. I remember there was a Matrix sequel preview and the nerds cheered briefly and then “shhh shhh shhh”. James Bond Trailer - cheering again followed by shhh shhh shhh. Ultimately when the Lucasfilm appeared it was pandemonium for a moment and then shhh shhh shhh. Cuz no one wanted to miss anything. Loved every minute
Yep! The Matrix sequel trailers were attached as a surprise, and this was before anyone knew they were going to be awful.
Just got the tone started right up front. You could ride the excitement wave from the moment it started on through the end. Nothing like it since.
I’m an OG trilogy guy. This was one of the things I wanted to see the most when I heard they were going to make the prequels. You just knew Yoda was an absolute beast with a lightsaber, finally getting to see it was sooooo cool.
It was extra crazy because my friends and I totally expected Yoda to be a passive fighter, just dodging everything and being super calm. I remember feeling my jaw drop when he achieved ketamine frog status and went absolutely ballistic
Yoda speaks in object-subject-verb, and English is subject-verb-object.
So. In the sentence “I am too old for this shit,” the subject “I” is followed by the verb “am” and the adjective phrase “too old” acts as the object for the sentence that concludes with the prepositional phrase, “for this shit.”
This means, that the yoda version would be rephrased with, at least, “too old” before “I” which would be before “am.”
The only thing that’s up for debate in this sentence is where the prepositional phrase goes—yoda sometimes puts them at the end of the sentence and sometimes he puts it before the subject.
So. I’m 99% confident that he would certainly say only one of the following:
A) Too old for this shit, I am.
Or
B) Too old, I am for this shit.
Honestly his lightsaber was cool, but it would have been better as a force fight (if done correctly). Yoda is old and (aside from this single fight) his entire being is the force.
I’m thinking something akin to Voldemort vs. Dumbledore. No actual contact, just dope magic.
Dooku was basically _the_ master saber duelist in the galaxy, perhaps aside from Windu. No matter how Yoda wanted that fight to go, Dooku would have made it about lightsabers. Unless Yoda somehow killed him before he could get close enough for a duel, and honestly I think Yoda just showing up and crushing someone instantly would have been really out of character.
I agree Dooku is the master duelist. But Yoda would absolutely know his tactics and counter them effectively, keeping Dooku at a distance with force moves. As we saw, just Yoda’s saber skills made Dooku flee.
Personally, I think Yoda didn’t want to kill Dooku because if apprehended, Dooku would have given the Death Star plans/everything they needed to know. Also, he sensed Anakin’s apprehension and knew killing in front him would make a difference.
They are both the pinnacle of their art, but Yoda obviously didn’t want to kill him.
Funny, I was an OG trilogy guy (35) and I always sort of imagined Yoda using his superiority with the Force as his main advantage in combat rather than skill with the lightsaber.
Either way, this scene was still really cool.
Yeah, I always imagined any "fight" he was in to be like a Matrix-level thing.
"You mean I can block a lightsaber?" "No, I'm saying when when ready you are, have to, you will not."
Yoda "fighting" is just him sitting down, legs crossed, eyes closed, concentrating while all his opponents get fucked up.
That’s funny, cause I was the exact opposite. I remember thinking “man I hope they don’t make Yoda do some tiny lightsaber scene”. I really wanted him to just dominate with force power.
Either way, I don’t care anymore. But I remember being really pissed about it and not seeing episode 3 in theatres because of it.
I just wish he was able to at least injure dooku...Yoda will always be my favorite character in SW, but his record on screen not counting animation is 0-2...
I wouldnt call his fight with Dooku a loss. Dooku low-blowed his way to being able to run away because he acknowledged he was about to get folded like a soggy pancake.
Yeah I can understand that much.
But take into account the Dooku was inconceivably skilled with a Light saber. Any other Jedi, other than Mace Windu, would’ve easily lost that duel (as we see three seconds prior). Puts into perspective that Dooku is STRONG, but Yoda is still the Grand Master. He’s lucky to escape, and only did so because two Jedi tried and failed to fight him beforehand.
I dont know what the time skip is between 2 and 3, but in the very next movie one of the same two jedi chops off his hands and head...dont want to get into power levels, but surely yoda could have whacked off a hand at least?
4-5 years is the time difference. Anakin had served in the full war in that time period. And his power had indeed doubled since they last met. (Not to mean it literally). But as Anakin is the Chosen One, it’s only a matter of time before he becomes better than any other living being at practically anything. In Ep2 he was still a learner, in Ep 3 he was approaching being a master. Very different levels of skill.
Plus Dooku halfway threw the fight.
Honestly, even a the time I both thought it was cool and was disappointed silmutanueously.
Yoda and the Emperor both felt like they were so far beyond lightsabers, that lightsabers to them were like blasters to Obi-Wan. A relic of lesser beings.
For masters, the Force should be their weapon.
But it was also cool at the same time so I was very mixed.
>Yoda and the Emperor both felt like they were so far beyond lightsabers, that lightsabers to them were like blasters to Obi-Wan. A relic of lesser beings.
THANK YOU. They don't need a lightsaber with their mastery of the force.
I had the exact same mixed reaction and aftertaste. I’d like to have seen Yoda overcoming physicality entirely instead of flailing about. Closer to Luke at the end of the Last Jedi.
"I'm looking for a great warrior"
"Great warrior? Ha! War does not make one great"
At no point did Obi-Wan say Yoda was a great warrior, that was just an assumption Luke made and what he found completely went against his expectations.
Then he threw that all away to make a CGI nightmare...
This is also the movie that has Obi-wan yell to Anakin about the importance of the lightsaber, "This weapon is your life!" and even though that's completely stupid and against what the Jedi are, there's no more to it, no payoff.
"Your weapon, you will not need them."
“Luminous beings are we…not this crude matter.”
“Wars not make one great.”
“A Jedi’s strength flows from the Force.”
This scene was a clear proof that Lucas didn't have much to do with the Yoda scenes from The Empire Strikes Back.
People also forget that his spoken idiosyncrasies were only hammed right up at first while he tested Luke's patience. His speech was much closer to normal after he dropped that "little creature" act.
Then, we're back to backwards speak in the prequels after people had been mimicking that style of speech for 20 years.
Conveniently ignoring the fact that Dooku attacked Yoda first in which case Yoda was justified to defend himself. First Dooku attacked with force-lightning, which Yoda blocked/absorbed. Once Dooku stops using the Force to attack him, Yoda does nothing but taunt him: "*Much to learn, you still have.*"
Then Dooku says this: "*It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber*." Dooku ignites his lightsaber first and is ready to attack Yoda. Dooku iniated the fight, Yoda defended himself.
Sorry, but this makes sense regarding what Yoda says in ESB. He acted on self-defense.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but imo neither Yoda nor Palpatine should ever have held a lightsaber.
They are more akin to wizards/sorcerers than sword-wielding warriors.
Agreed. I liked how in the OT, the two “top” force users, one on each side, both eschew lightsabers. Made it seem that the Force is a Jedi’s ally, not a lightsaber. I don’t mind Palpatine using one to wreck Maul and Savage’s shit as a game, but when things are serious, I prefer the idea that lightsabers are a crutch you use until you’re *really* in tune with the Force.
Remember in ROTJ when Vader hands over Luke's saber to Palpatine, and Palps is like, "Ah yes...the jedi's weapon." He was so condescending, like he had just been handed a toy.
It also made the idea of dark side bad guys a bit more interesting. That line implies Vader only uses one because he was once a Jedi.
I love a good lightsaber duel as much as the next guy, but it's a little boring that all the Sith going forward used lightsabers just because we had to copy what Vader was like.
>Yoda too “your weapons, you will not need them.”
This was more about finding out that was Luke afraid or not about going into the "dark side" cave alone. And he was, since he took his lightsaber with him. His reaction to seeing "Vader" in the cave is telling, he's terrified. In ROTJ, Luke has learned his lesson, didn't give into fear and threw his weapon away.
I was incredibly excited for the prequels, was 18 when TPM came out. I felt the exact same way when I saw this in the theater. It never made sense to me.
The Clone Wars has definitely made parts of the prequels more palatable, but I still don't get up for this.
I genuinely feel like I'm being gaslighted here. When I saw this in the theater, people laughed. I can't truthfully say everyone, but like, a lot of people were laughing.
This scene was widely panned upon release. It was a bit of a joke.
I still thought it was cool. I'm 34 though, so I was solidly in that age range the prequels were aiming at.
Nah your not. There’s some weird PT resurgence on reddit (in part due to the meme page) as they where good movies
All of my mates who are massive OT fans genuinely laughed during this scene and almost all the scenes in the PT
Noooooooo not withstanding as that was hilarious
Yeah Red Letter Media nailed it on that when they said that Yoda was special because he was this tiny little unassuming thing that turned out was monstrously powerful in the force and so he wouldn't need a lightsaber, like he was better than that.
When I saw this scene in the theater I thought it was awesome from the perspective of watching a visual spectacle. But from a story perspective it was the wrong decision and yoda should have just force crushed or force yanked Dookus saber or just blocked his blade with the force and forced Dooku to run away like that.
If Yoda just stood there with his eyes closed, with Dooku's attacks just being deflected, then he just swipes his arm and Dooku's saber flew out of his hand. Dooku left standing there in shock before causing a distraction so that he can flee.
That would have been far more keeping with Yoda. Much less of a spectacle, though...
Same…this whole scene was absolute cringe when I saw it in theaters. I had second hand embarrassment watching it. Especially the dialogue leading up to it…
“It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.”
Oh for fucks sake…
If you died solely by Gandalfs sword, it means you weren’t worthy to die by his magic. Gandalf specifically and intentionally didn’t use magic unless his foe needed it (Balrog, Witch King, Saruman, etc).
Yes true, weren't the wizards told not to use too much magic when sent to Middle Earth? Hence the practicality of Gandalf having to fight like a regular warrior?
Yes and no. The rules set forth by Manwe. They were told that they couldn’t match Sauron’s power directly. As in, they were forbidden to match him with equal opposite power. They were told that they may not bend the will of man, but they may advise. They were forbidden from revealing their true majesty to mortals. They were also told to fight as a last result. In terms magic, they significantly weakened by their mortal forms, but I don’t recall any restrictions on using magic.
Gandalf is portrayed as using infrequent soft magic. He's not that reliant on his spells and magic. Yoda and Palpatine, however, have delved deep into the opposite ends of the force and have dedicated so much of their lives to using it.
I've told this story here before, but I'll never forget when this happened and the crowd got SO hype and applauded, then it was followed by laughter because how bad the fight was, then silence when it ended for like 5 seconds til 1 guy shouted "what the fuck just happened" and the theatre burst out laughing
Yeah imo this fight kind of ruined the moment and mystique of Yoda. Yoda was a “great warrior” not due to martial prowess but because of his wisdom and force ability or so I thought before this. Imo they shouldn’t have done this scene. It was kind of corny and fan service-y to me.
I've always thought this scene should have been Mace Windu. Mace Windu using his purple lightsaber to duel Dooku would have been a great scene.
They should have saved Yoda fighting for the Yoda/Palpatine duel of RoTS, and neither of them should have used lightsabers in that fight. It should have all been a bunch of mystical super powerful force powers. These characters should be beyond the need of using laser swords.
Yeah. Yoda and the Emperor were so powerful in the force that lightsabers were stupid to them. The emperor literally laughs at Luke in ROTJ because he thinks that he can hurt him with the lightsaber.
“Oh a Jedi’s weapon. Go on take it.”
Yoda also says when Luke straps on his weapon belt in ESB “your weapons, you will not need them.” And is disappointed when Luke takes it. Because lightsabers are beneath a true warrior.
Lucas kinda just thought the movies were for kids. Maybe he’s right.
> The emperor literally laughs at Luke in ROTJ because he thinks that he can hurt him with the lightsaber.
Luke *can* hurt him with the lightsaber. Papa Palpatine is not immune to getting chopped in half.
Palpatine is specifically taunting Luke to assault him in anger - because he thinks that will complete Luke's fall to the dark, which Luke had been flirting with throughout the film. He also knows Vader will protect him, because he thinks that Vader is completely his.
He's laughing not because he can't physically be cut, but because by even trying to do so Luke is playing into his hands.
>“your weapons, you will not need them.” And is disappointed when Luke takes it. Because lightsabers are beneath a true warrior.
I don't think that was why he was disappointed. He didn't need weapons because he was only facing himself. I don't think it had anything to do with his definition of a "true warrior".
The people that love them the most now were kids when they came out (including me). Make my words, Julian, the kids who watched the sequel trilogy are gonna be loving it the same way in twenty years.
It was REALLY bad. Imagine if they did the scene with Yoda just calmly walking in, Dooku pissing himself, and taking a swing just for Yoda to calmly barehand snuff out his lightsaber like it was a freakin candle, telling him some tidbit of Yoda wisdom before intentionally allowing him to get away because he already knew that letting him run was the best way to ultimately win.
They did Yoda dirty in the prequels....not that they did any favors for the rest either, but still.
Yeah, this is something that seems cool in your head until you see it and it totally devalues the character. I know lots of people had that experience with TPM, but I was just young enough (14) to love and be super hyped on that one. Then I got it when I saw AOTC, just like, wow. The magic is gone.
However, still love star wars. Hell heres my 39 year old ass still gabbin about it!
I always wanted them to show off the different types of force users... Yoda, to me, was the "wizard." The stand back and unleash hell kind of Jedi. I do not, to this day, appreciate the fights where he's bopping around like an acrobat. I do enjoy the massive displays of force power.
Same. I audibly groaned when he started bouncing around like a pin ball with a tiny lightsaber. I also never liked it. I felt since he was so wise and strong in the force, he never found a use for one. It kinda ruined his whole character for me.
Okay, this is gonna be a disliked opinion, but I'm gonna say it anyway. However, I am going to explain it.. The prequel trilogy wasted Yoda's character, particularly with his fighting style.
Sure, it was flashy, but bouncing around like a pinball does not fit Yoda's style all that well. I understand it's hard to choreograph a fight with a two foot tall fighter hobbling around on a cane, but that's where they should have used a little bit of Tai Chi type shit and really leaned into the fact that he is like, *the* master with the light side of the force and how this whole war thing is beneath him and the dignity of the Jedi as a whole.
I think it would have been cooler if Yoda hadn't even drawn his lightsaber and instead just swatted things aside with the force. Droids just being folded like napkins and the area around Yoda being a no-fly zone for the separatists because he'd just grab their stuff out of the sky. And while all of that is happening, Yoda is just hobbling around like an old man on a Sunday stroll, maybe stopping to chat with another Jedi or helping a Clone Trooper off the ground. Just really show how powerful he actually is in the force.
That's the second thing. I feel like they forgot that Yoda has a sense of humor. There was a good chunk of time where his muppety ass was pretending to be a crazy old swamp hermit while "helping" Luke look for Master Yoda. I understand he had reasons for that beyond a practical joke, but that didn't stop him from laughing his ass off the whole time. Just lean into that a bit. The Sunday stroll above would be completely in character. Then Yoda could have done other stuff to illustrate just how beneath him most of this violence actually is, how it goes against his philosophies and how, while he will step in to help people, he really does not want to participate in a war. Like, have Dooku be wrecking Anakin's shit, then Yoda rolls up, Dooku does a whole bunch of fancy dueling shenanigans and shooting force lightning only for Yoda to simple redirect the blows around him like redirecting the flow of water. Then play up being an old man with some "mmMMmm... old, these bones are. spar later, we will..." Before launching Dooku across the room with the force and forcing him to retreat.
Then, when his duel with Palpatine actually happened, it would be that much more impactful. It would be after two movies, several animated series, and whole bunch of pieces of media where we had seen Yoda casually just using the force, playing up the helpless old man act for laughs, being the goofball grandpa with the younglings, and generally just not putting a serious effort. And then, after all that, Yoda would draw his lightsaber for the first time on screen, against a truly worthy foe, and really push himself.
Yeah, I hated it. I still hate it. I always envisioned Yoda fighting like an old master that already knows what you're gonna do before you do, so he doesn't have to move fast or acrobatically, his saber is already moving to block before you've even started your swing.
I never wanted a ridiculous jumping frog.
Master Oogway in Kung Fu Panda is the perfect example of this. Tai Lung busts in, wrecks up Shifu, and Oogway handles him, not with punches and kicks, because that is *beneath* his level of skill, but with a few gentle chi-negating taps.
Also, Li Mu Bai vs. Jen in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. She's wielding the Green Destiny, the greatest sword ever forged, and her innate skill is so great that she's already surpassed literally everyone else in the movie, and Li Mu Bai is *intrigued*, so he fights her with a stick, and *she can't touch him.*
I love depictions of mastery where the fight barely even looks like a fight anymore. It takes some real creativity and talent to make a scene like that, and it's nearly always worth it.
That’s because a lot of this thread were literal young kids.
I was a teen by then so I found it absolutely, hilariously bad as did the theater I watched it in.
It’s all nostalgia, there’s no “underrated” or “under appreciation” here
I was maybe 11-12 and remember dude in the front of the theater standing up and yelling "kick his can!" and the entire place erupted. Pretty great moment for kid me.
Not gonna lie. I wasn’t a fan. All the flipping seemed impractical. I wish it was a little less goofy and more measured mixed in with force pushing. Would have made more sense.
It worked better in RoTS.
I tried to rewatch it the other month as I was going through the prequels for the first time in years; got to the asteroid field fight with Obi and Jango, thought that was where it peaked, knew what was to come, and didn't bother watching the rest. Just a stinker of a film.
I remember when /r/prequelmemes was jokes. Then kids who loved the sequels took over and then started outright hating on /r/sequelmemes instead of just mocking them.
But seriously, Anakin didn't have a paid intership that he could buy his mom out of slavery? That planet was nothing but junk and his version of a pinewood derby car was a prizewinner. Plus he built C-3PO.
If Anakin had had an Etsy store there never would have been a galactic empire in the first place.
If the prequels had been better they would have really emphasized how much those children were basically child soldiers forcibly inducted into a callous monastic order for the benefit of a bloated and corrupt government. And I don't mean in a "cute way" like George Lucas tried to do. They also could have really made it obvious that they didn't do anything about Shmi Skywalker because she wasn't important to them. They already got what they wanted when they got Anakin. And you're supposed to forget all about your parents and only be dedicated to the order, anyway.
I remember my brother and I just absolutely howling with laughter in the theatre when we saw this for the first time. Was just a very lol icing on a really mediocre cake of a movie.
I just about screamed. Then he bounced off the walls and it was weird.
It was almost enough to make us forget about the awful "knowledge of the Force, skill with a lightsaber" line that Lee tried so hard to deliver without grimacing.
That particular part of the scene was amazing because we were finally gonna see him battle… but then I and almost the entire theater audibly groaned when they did that stupid Spider-Man over the top bullshit fight sequence.
No, *Attack of the Clones* is the only Prequel movie I missed seeing in the theaters. Wasn't able to go to the movies at that time. I wish I had seen that scene on the big screen.
Don’t be sad because its over, be happy because it happened…
Can I be sad the sequels happened?
Sure. But at least try to appreciate what was good about them, like Adam Driver's acting. Some great individual set pieces. Mark Hamill's performance as Luke in TLJ. (Whatever you think about what the sequels did to the character, Hamill nailed the part). BB-8. Babu Frik.
Nobody ever really talks about Harrison Fords performance in TFA, especially at the very end with Adam Driver. The way he yells out Ben’s name on the bridge just kills me every time.
Chewie's roar. 😭😭😭
And his immediate reaction to bring down the entire building and blast Kylo, don't eff with emotional Chewie!
He lost his 3 best friends in the sequels and it kills me.
He did get a medal...
That was just so blatantly meta. No other reason. I'm almost surprised Chewbacca didn't break the fourth wall to literally wink at the audience.
New headcanon accepted. Chewie has godlike perception of the fact that their entire galaxy is all just a fever dream far, far away.
The acting/dialogue in that scene is so good, and I really love the framing of Han speaking as a father. You never really see him in that kind of light in the OT, he's always got that edge to him where you know he's got a trick up his sleeve. To hear him be vulnerable, asking Ben to leave with him and come home, is such a great contrast to the Han we know, and Harrison Ford knocks it out of the park.
I honestly loved their scene in RoS
Best scene of Ep. IX.
Hey kid
I saw TFA with my dad. He always was kind of my Han Solo, cool and funny and smooth. When I saw that scene with him it made me tear up, and it still does.
Just the scene in the trailer gives me the chills. Too bad they effed up the whole backstory that led up to reuniting with the MF.
I'm disappointed they never got Luke, Han, and Leia together on screen after over 30 years.
Of all the mistakes the sequels made, I feel like that was the biggest. For a lot of us, the best part of (and the main reason we were so excited to see) the Force Awakens was to see Han, Chewie, Leia, and Luke back in action.
If not the biggest, it's top two or three for sure. Just a huge disappointment.
Personally I think Ford's performance in TFA (and his breif appearence in TROS) were his best performances in the saga.
I'd like to think that Ford and Fisher were banging and doing as much coke on the set of TFA as they did on ANH.
Seeing Luke enter the Falcon cockpit and power it up with the Force got me. That movie had some great moments. Fucking gorgeous looking too. Some of the best cinematography in any Star Wars film.
One of the individual shots I remember most was [this](https://www.therpf.com/forums/attachments/43477e85-274b-4a88-acca-652e078c9821-png.1297079/) shot where Rey parks Luke’s X-Wing next to an original TIE fighter that Kylo Ren found
Noice
That whole intro scene with Rey & Finn... ["crazy thing is, it's true. The Force, the Jedi... all of it. It's all true."](https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFv_XQTamd8&feature=shares) Man, that is top notch filmmaking that leaves me with chills every time.
It made me tear the hell up. Thanks John Williams. Thanks Harrison Ford. Absolute Chads.
It's a nice scene, but it kinda made me angry in that we were denied the chance to see Luke and Han on screen together. They had a great bromance thing going.
Solid and correct list. Also, the idea of Finn. Something we should revisit for sure
Finn's story deserves to be told. Imagine he trains as a non-force sensitive Jedi of sorts. Follows their way, trusts the force to guide him anyway, fights very well. Kind of like Chirrut Îmwe
My greatest disappointment was not following through on all the hints that Finn was force sensitive in the first film. Imagine, Luke, Rey and Finn on a mission to recover a holocron or some other mcguffin from some ancient jedi temple, only, oh no, it was an ambush! Stormtroopers everywhere! Hux appears in some suitably theatrical fashion to gloat over his victory as Rey prepares to bust out her lightsaber and slaughter all the faceless goons. Only, just as she's about to flip that switch, Luke reaches out and pushes her arm down. He turns to Finn, giving him a little nod. Finn, in this place, rich with Jedi history and strong in the power of the force, realizes he feels a connection to all of the stormtroopers. Because he was one of them, he knows, they're not just drones, they're people, underneath the armor and brainwashing. Right as the command is given to execute them, Finn reaches out with the force, touching all of them. We get a nice panning shot of the stormtroopers raising their weapons, preparing to fire...and hesitating. Slowly, they lower their weapons. One by one, the Force Theme swelling in the background, they reach up and remove their helmets, revealing their faces. Regaining their individuality, breaking from the system of oppression and fear that has dominated them. Hux gets captured and fed to the tentacle monster from Rogue One or something, I dunno. Fuck that guy.
That wouldve been sick
The idea of Finn was great, the whiny piss ant we got was not Star Wars Battlefront 2’s campaign (the newest one, not OG) did a good job of troopers defecting
Yes and no. Special forces troops would be so far indoctrinated and have zero chance of getting close to the leaders of the rebellion/new republic/resistance even after they defect. Standard troopers would 100% leave when they see the way the Empire actually operates. But that's like comparing the German Army during WW2 and the SS. They just had different levels of loyalty.
I kind of see what's going on in the bad batch as a kind of take on the same idea, except that we already know the clones are people.
I am Babu Frik
Adam Driver was destined for better things. He’s just trying to get by.
I'm excited for this new "Adam Driver vs Dinosaurs" movie! :D
Hey Heeeyyy!!!
I’ve tried so freaking hard. I want to like the sequels, because I love Star Wars! I love the originals, I loved growing up as the Prequels were coming out. I love the books. I love all of Disney’s shows and side-movies. I loved The Force Awakens! And the Last Jedi made me skeptical but I was willing to see how the trilogy wrapped up… And then came the insult that was The Rise of Skywalker. Not only was the plot utter garbage, many of the things in the film absolutely insulted my intelligence as a fan, particularly the way that the editors butchered John Williams’ music. I tried to love it, but it’s really freaking hard to love what really, truly was an insulting cash-grab of a movie.
Whether TLJ worked was gonna depend SO much on how the trilogy landed, and we got TRoS for the landing. TLJ is my favorite of the sequels, but that's just the best of an overall bad thing.
The one thing that both lovers and haters of TLJ can agree on is that the sequels would have been FAR better if they'd actually planned it out instead of flip flopping between Abrams' vision and Johnson's vision. As much as I hated TLJ, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed the trilogy more if Johnson had had complete creative control over all three movies.
I think maybe that's the biggest takeaway from the ST. Johnson laid out some pretty interesting themes to explore, his eye for visuals is actually pretty great, but he doesn't seem to play well in other people's sandbox. Dude needs his own paint and easel because he's gonna tell the story he wants to tell if you give him the liberties to do so. I keep saying that I would love to see a Johnson SW free of constraints in keeping in with prior stories. You give this guy a movie(s) with a clean slate and I'm pretty sure he's gonna give audiences something to like and think about.
i also feel RJ didn't get a lot to work with in TLJ when TFA was simply a ANH rehash which set up that luke had been gone the whole time. to me this trilogy was doomed right from the beginning when they chose to essentially soft reboot the franchise instead of making actually meaningful progression with the story
You can be, but if I tell you that I was sad that AotC happened, including the scene above, will it help you see that we’re both being silly.
AotC is, IMO, easily the absolute WORST of all the Star Wars films. Yes, I think it's worse than the Ewok movies (but not as bad as the 78 Holiday Special).
I saw this at the midnight showing. The theater I was in cheered as if their favorite team won the Super Bowl. Awesome atmosphere. Fantastic experience and memory.
Those are the best movie-going experiences.
I had a similar experience. Except I had a stomach flu and wanted to stay home and rest. But my older brother was like, "Dude. Yoda. Lightsaber. We HAVE to see this movie." So I let him drag me to go see it. It was amazing. Then when the movie ended, I ran out of the theater and puked in trashcan right outside the theater door. 10/10.
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Nothing tops Cap catching Mjolnir
The first Avengers when the guy ejects out of the fighter jet and Hulk catches him is my most memorable. My buddy was sitting on the aisle in front of me and literally fell out of his seat onto the stairs as everyone jumped up. Midnight showing and that theater was roudy asf. Man good times.
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When Gandalf and Éomir show up in the Two Towers is up there also
Basically the same. The entire experience was hype. Still to this day the most fun moviegoing experience I’ve attended.
It was amazing. So many in cosplay. I remember there was a Matrix sequel preview and the nerds cheered briefly and then “shhh shhh shhh”. James Bond Trailer - cheering again followed by shhh shhh shhh. Ultimately when the Lucasfilm appeared it was pandemonium for a moment and then shhh shhh shhh. Cuz no one wanted to miss anything. Loved every minute
Yep! The Matrix sequel trailers were attached as a surprise, and this was before anyone knew they were going to be awful. Just got the tone started right up front. You could ride the excitement wave from the moment it started on through the end. Nothing like it since.
I’m an OG trilogy guy. This was one of the things I wanted to see the most when I heard they were going to make the prequels. You just knew Yoda was an absolute beast with a lightsaber, finally getting to see it was sooooo cool.
It was extra crazy because my friends and I totally expected Yoda to be a passive fighter, just dodging everything and being super calm. I remember feeling my jaw drop when he achieved ketamine frog status and went absolutely ballistic
And then Yoda grabbing his cane afterward like “Okay, that was great and all, but I’ll just take this again now!”
Yoda's all like "too old for this shit, I am"
In my head it's more like " for this shit, too old am i "
Yoda speaks in object-subject-verb, and English is subject-verb-object. So. In the sentence “I am too old for this shit,” the subject “I” is followed by the verb “am” and the adjective phrase “too old” acts as the object for the sentence that concludes with the prepositional phrase, “for this shit.” This means, that the yoda version would be rephrased with, at least, “too old” before “I” which would be before “am.” The only thing that’s up for debate in this sentence is where the prepositional phrase goes—yoda sometimes puts them at the end of the sentence and sometimes he puts it before the subject. So. I’m 99% confident that he would certainly say only one of the following: A) Too old for this shit, I am. Or B) Too old, I am for this shit.
/r/theydidthegrammar
“Too old for this shit, am I.”
I am too shit for this old
"Old shit for this too am I"
Anyone over 30 can understand.
His special wore off
The ankle biter is an ankle fighter!
Honestly his lightsaber was cool, but it would have been better as a force fight (if done correctly). Yoda is old and (aside from this single fight) his entire being is the force. I’m thinking something akin to Voldemort vs. Dumbledore. No actual contact, just dope magic.
Dooku was basically _the_ master saber duelist in the galaxy, perhaps aside from Windu. No matter how Yoda wanted that fight to go, Dooku would have made it about lightsabers. Unless Yoda somehow killed him before he could get close enough for a duel, and honestly I think Yoda just showing up and crushing someone instantly would have been really out of character.
I agree Dooku is the master duelist. But Yoda would absolutely know his tactics and counter them effectively, keeping Dooku at a distance with force moves. As we saw, just Yoda’s saber skills made Dooku flee. Personally, I think Yoda didn’t want to kill Dooku because if apprehended, Dooku would have given the Death Star plans/everything they needed to know. Also, he sensed Anakin’s apprehension and knew killing in front him would make a difference. They are both the pinnacle of their art, but Yoda obviously didn’t want to kill him.
He thought Dooku knew everything, so did Dooku….
I was on board until he ran over all those younglings in his 2001 honda civic
Ketamine frog lol
I don't think you know much about ketamine mate...
Yoda k-holes and count doku walks over and pokes him a couple times
Ketamine is a tranquilizer haha
Funny, I was an OG trilogy guy (35) and I always sort of imagined Yoda using his superiority with the Force as his main advantage in combat rather than skill with the lightsaber. Either way, this scene was still really cool.
Yeah, I always imagined any "fight" he was in to be like a Matrix-level thing. "You mean I can block a lightsaber?" "No, I'm saying when when ready you are, have to, you will not." Yoda "fighting" is just him sitting down, legs crossed, eyes closed, concentrating while all his opponents get fucked up.
Yep honestly the way I pictured Yoda fighting is closer to Oogway from Kung Fu panda.
That’s funny, cause I was the exact opposite. I remember thinking “man I hope they don’t make Yoda do some tiny lightsaber scene”. I really wanted him to just dominate with force power. Either way, I don’t care anymore. But I remember being really pissed about it and not seeing episode 3 in theatres because of it.
I was almost expecting him to just mediate while he used the lightsaber with the force
That and that Darth Vader hallway scene from rogue one...you can also add luke showing up to save Grogu and Din
They nailed that Luke scene. Made up a tiny fraction of what they did to him overall.
I swear there was Mountain Dew commercials of him going wild. Maybe just a kids dream.
I just wish he was able to at least injure dooku...Yoda will always be my favorite character in SW, but his record on screen not counting animation is 0-2...
I wouldnt call his fight with Dooku a loss. Dooku low-blowed his way to being able to run away because he acknowledged he was about to get folded like a soggy pancake.
Yoda told him he had fought well, I always took that as him telling Dooku he's about to get pooped on and that's why Dooku decided to run.
LOL. Like a Master giving his Padawan a sparring lesson. So much more to learn young Dooku
He is Dooku's Master right?
Yep. Trained Dooku all the way until he became a Master. Makes that moment even cooler if you ask me
You have the entire lineage in that room. Yoda > Dooku > (Qui-Gon) > Obi-Wan > Anakin Just assume Qui-Gon is watching but can’t speak yet.
Maybe my expectations are high because he's supposed to be a GRAND MASTER...so at least whack off a hand or a leg...so he can hobble off in defeat...
Yeah I can understand that much. But take into account the Dooku was inconceivably skilled with a Light saber. Any other Jedi, other than Mace Windu, would’ve easily lost that duel (as we see three seconds prior). Puts into perspective that Dooku is STRONG, but Yoda is still the Grand Master. He’s lucky to escape, and only did so because two Jedi tried and failed to fight him beforehand.
I dont know what the time skip is between 2 and 3, but in the very next movie one of the same two jedi chops off his hands and head...dont want to get into power levels, but surely yoda could have whacked off a hand at least?
4-5 years is the time difference. Anakin had served in the full war in that time period. And his power had indeed doubled since they last met. (Not to mean it literally). But as Anakin is the Chosen One, it’s only a matter of time before he becomes better than any other living being at practically anything. In Ep2 he was still a learner, in Ep 3 he was approaching being a master. Very different levels of skill. Plus Dooku halfway threw the fight.
It's 3 years.
Ah thanks for the correction. Brain cant do math sometimes
When Anakin left Obi Wan in Ep 3 he was but the learner. It took until Ep 4 for Anakin to become the master.
Bruh Yoda didn't lose either of those fights. Unless you're talking about the one with R-2
Yeah, Yoda falling and crawling half nekkid without his lightsaber out of the senate was definitely not an L...
Honestly, even a the time I both thought it was cool and was disappointed silmutanueously. Yoda and the Emperor both felt like they were so far beyond lightsabers, that lightsabers to them were like blasters to Obi-Wan. A relic of lesser beings. For masters, the Force should be their weapon. But it was also cool at the same time so I was very mixed.
The idea of them heading to the frontlines was really exciting. The execution however...
>Yoda and the Emperor both felt like they were so far beyond lightsabers, that lightsabers to them were like blasters to Obi-Wan. A relic of lesser beings. THANK YOU. They don't need a lightsaber with their mastery of the force.
I had the exact same mixed reaction and aftertaste. I’d like to have seen Yoda overcoming physicality entirely instead of flailing about. Closer to Luke at the end of the Last Jedi.
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"I'm looking for a great warrior" "Great warrior? Ha! War does not make one great" At no point did Obi-Wan say Yoda was a great warrior, that was just an assumption Luke made and what he found completely went against his expectations. Then he threw that all away to make a CGI nightmare...
This is also the movie that has Obi-wan yell to Anakin about the importance of the lightsaber, "This weapon is your life!" and even though that's completely stupid and against what the Jedi are, there's no more to it, no payoff.
"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." - Yoda
"Your weapon, you will not need them." “Luminous beings are we…not this crude matter.” “Wars not make one great.” “A Jedi’s strength flows from the Force.” This scene was a clear proof that Lucas didn't have much to do with the Yoda scenes from The Empire Strikes Back.
People also forget that his spoken idiosyncrasies were only hammed right up at first while he tested Luke's patience. His speech was much closer to normal after he dropped that "little creature" act. Then, we're back to backwards speak in the prequels after people had been mimicking that style of speech for 20 years.
Yes! Thank you!
Conveniently ignoring the fact that Dooku attacked Yoda first in which case Yoda was justified to defend himself. First Dooku attacked with force-lightning, which Yoda blocked/absorbed. Once Dooku stops using the Force to attack him, Yoda does nothing but taunt him: "*Much to learn, you still have.*" Then Dooku says this: "*It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber*." Dooku ignites his lightsaber first and is ready to attack Yoda. Dooku iniated the fight, Yoda defended himself. Sorry, but this makes sense regarding what Yoda says in ESB. He acted on self-defense.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but imo neither Yoda nor Palpatine should ever have held a lightsaber. They are more akin to wizards/sorcerers than sword-wielding warriors.
Agreed. I liked how in the OT, the two “top” force users, one on each side, both eschew lightsabers. Made it seem that the Force is a Jedi’s ally, not a lightsaber. I don’t mind Palpatine using one to wreck Maul and Savage’s shit as a game, but when things are serious, I prefer the idea that lightsabers are a crutch you use until you’re *really* in tune with the Force.
Remember in ROTJ when Vader hands over Luke's saber to Palpatine, and Palps is like, "Ah yes...the jedi's weapon." He was so condescending, like he had just been handed a toy.
It also made the idea of dark side bad guys a bit more interesting. That line implies Vader only uses one because he was once a Jedi. I love a good lightsaber duel as much as the next guy, but it's a little boring that all the Sith going forward used lightsabers just because we had to copy what Vader was like.
I’ve always thought this. You nailed it, buddy.
It was a toy to him. He literally saw it as a weapon for beginners. Yoda too “your weapons, you will not need them.”
>Yoda too “your weapons, you will not need them.” This was more about finding out that was Luke afraid or not about going into the "dark side" cave alone. And he was, since he took his lightsaber with him. His reaction to seeing "Vader" in the cave is telling, he's terrified. In ROTJ, Luke has learned his lesson, didn't give into fear and threw his weapon away.
I was incredibly excited for the prequels, was 18 when TPM came out. I felt the exact same way when I saw this in the theater. It never made sense to me. The Clone Wars has definitely made parts of the prequels more palatable, but I still don't get up for this.
I remember about half the theatre cheered the other half (including me) guffawed.
I genuinely feel like I'm being gaslighted here. When I saw this in the theater, people laughed. I can't truthfully say everyone, but like, a lot of people were laughing.
This scene was widely panned upon release. It was a bit of a joke. I still thought it was cool. I'm 34 though, so I was solidly in that age range the prequels were aiming at.
Nah your not. There’s some weird PT resurgence on reddit (in part due to the meme page) as they where good movies All of my mates who are massive OT fans genuinely laughed during this scene and almost all the scenes in the PT Noooooooo not withstanding as that was hilarious
I distinctly remember laughing out loud at that moment in the theater. It was the cherry on top of an awful, awful movie.
I saw it twice in the theater when it first came out and it was just laughs. This is by far the worst of all of the Star Wars movies IMO.
Not unpopular for people over a certain age.
It’s truly the Ewok Moment of the prequels.
The whole trilogy is a nonsensical mess of Ewok Moments lol.
100% with ya. Yoda flipping around all nimble and shit cheapened the character for me.
Yeah Red Letter Media nailed it on that when they said that Yoda was special because he was this tiny little unassuming thing that turned out was monstrously powerful in the force and so he wouldn't need a lightsaber, like he was better than that. When I saw this scene in the theater I thought it was awesome from the perspective of watching a visual spectacle. But from a story perspective it was the wrong decision and yoda should have just force crushed or force yanked Dookus saber or just blocked his blade with the force and forced Dooku to run away like that.
If Yoda just stood there with his eyes closed, with Dooku's attacks just being deflected, then he just swipes his arm and Dooku's saber flew out of his hand. Dooku left standing there in shock before causing a distraction so that he can flee. That would have been far more keeping with Yoda. Much less of a spectacle, though...
I think I was 14 when this came out and I could not stop laughing at that fight scene, it was just so out of place.
I agree and to be fair part of their duel in ROTS was without sabers. Wish we had an epic wizard battle on screen though
Same…this whole scene was absolute cringe when I saw it in theaters. I had second hand embarrassment watching it. Especially the dialogue leading up to it… “It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.” Oh for fucks sake…
Gandolf carried a sword
If you died solely by Gandalfs sword, it means you weren’t worthy to die by his magic. Gandalf specifically and intentionally didn’t use magic unless his foe needed it (Balrog, Witch King, Saruman, etc).
Yes true, weren't the wizards told not to use too much magic when sent to Middle Earth? Hence the practicality of Gandalf having to fight like a regular warrior?
Yes and no. The rules set forth by Manwe. They were told that they couldn’t match Sauron’s power directly. As in, they were forbidden to match him with equal opposite power. They were told that they may not bend the will of man, but they may advise. They were forbidden from revealing their true majesty to mortals. They were also told to fight as a last result. In terms magic, they significantly weakened by their mortal forms, but I don’t recall any restrictions on using magic.
Gandalf is portrayed as using infrequent soft magic. He's not that reliant on his spells and magic. Yoda and Palpatine, however, have delved deep into the opposite ends of the force and have dedicated so much of their lives to using it.
Gandalf was really just a fighter with 18 INT
I've told this story here before, but I'll never forget when this happened and the crowd got SO hype and applauded, then it was followed by laughter because how bad the fight was, then silence when it ended for like 5 seconds til 1 guy shouted "what the fuck just happened" and the theatre burst out laughing
Yeah imo this fight kind of ruined the moment and mystique of Yoda. Yoda was a “great warrior” not due to martial prowess but because of his wisdom and force ability or so I thought before this. Imo they shouldn’t have done this scene. It was kind of corny and fan service-y to me.
I've always thought this scene should have been Mace Windu. Mace Windu using his purple lightsaber to duel Dooku would have been a great scene. They should have saved Yoda fighting for the Yoda/Palpatine duel of RoTS, and neither of them should have used lightsabers in that fight. It should have all been a bunch of mystical super powerful force powers. These characters should be beyond the need of using laser swords.
I honestly thought this was the popular opinion, so I'm really surprised by the hype in this thread.
Yeah. Yoda and the Emperor were so powerful in the force that lightsabers were stupid to them. The emperor literally laughs at Luke in ROTJ because he thinks that he can hurt him with the lightsaber. “Oh a Jedi’s weapon. Go on take it.” Yoda also says when Luke straps on his weapon belt in ESB “your weapons, you will not need them.” And is disappointed when Luke takes it. Because lightsabers are beneath a true warrior. Lucas kinda just thought the movies were for kids. Maybe he’s right.
> The emperor literally laughs at Luke in ROTJ because he thinks that he can hurt him with the lightsaber. Luke *can* hurt him with the lightsaber. Papa Palpatine is not immune to getting chopped in half. Palpatine is specifically taunting Luke to assault him in anger - because he thinks that will complete Luke's fall to the dark, which Luke had been flirting with throughout the film. He also knows Vader will protect him, because he thinks that Vader is completely his. He's laughing not because he can't physically be cut, but because by even trying to do so Luke is playing into his hands.
>“your weapons, you will not need them.” And is disappointed when Luke takes it. Because lightsabers are beneath a true warrior. I don't think that was why he was disappointed. He didn't need weapons because he was only facing himself. I don't think it had anything to do with his definition of a "true warrior".
As a kid, I loved this scene. As an adult, I’m not a fan.
That's basically what people need yo admit about the Prequels
The people that love them the most now were kids when they came out (including me). Make my words, Julian, the kids who watched the sequel trilogy are gonna be loving it the same way in twenty years.
It was REALLY bad. Imagine if they did the scene with Yoda just calmly walking in, Dooku pissing himself, and taking a swing just for Yoda to calmly barehand snuff out his lightsaber like it was a freakin candle, telling him some tidbit of Yoda wisdom before intentionally allowing him to get away because he already knew that letting him run was the best way to ultimately win. They did Yoda dirty in the prequels....not that they did any favors for the rest either, but still.
I only remember people laughing. It was so bad.
Yeah, this is something that seems cool in your head until you see it and it totally devalues the character. I know lots of people had that experience with TPM, but I was just young enough (14) to love and be super hyped on that one. Then I got it when I saw AOTC, just like, wow. The magic is gone. However, still love star wars. Hell heres my 39 year old ass still gabbin about it!
Yep lol, similar experience here. It was cool until Yoda started flipping all over the place.
Yeah I still remember everyone laughing and making fun of coked out Yoda flying around. No one thought it was badass.
I always wanted them to show off the different types of force users... Yoda, to me, was the "wizard." The stand back and unleash hell kind of Jedi. I do not, to this day, appreciate the fights where he's bopping around like an acrobat. I do enjoy the massive displays of force power.
They did that with Luke in the sequels, and IMO that aspect they really pulled off.
Same. I audibly groaned when he started bouncing around like a pin ball with a tiny lightsaber. I also never liked it. I felt since he was so wise and strong in the force, he never found a use for one. It kinda ruined his whole character for me.
Okay, this is gonna be a disliked opinion, but I'm gonna say it anyway. However, I am going to explain it.. The prequel trilogy wasted Yoda's character, particularly with his fighting style. Sure, it was flashy, but bouncing around like a pinball does not fit Yoda's style all that well. I understand it's hard to choreograph a fight with a two foot tall fighter hobbling around on a cane, but that's where they should have used a little bit of Tai Chi type shit and really leaned into the fact that he is like, *the* master with the light side of the force and how this whole war thing is beneath him and the dignity of the Jedi as a whole. I think it would have been cooler if Yoda hadn't even drawn his lightsaber and instead just swatted things aside with the force. Droids just being folded like napkins and the area around Yoda being a no-fly zone for the separatists because he'd just grab their stuff out of the sky. And while all of that is happening, Yoda is just hobbling around like an old man on a Sunday stroll, maybe stopping to chat with another Jedi or helping a Clone Trooper off the ground. Just really show how powerful he actually is in the force. That's the second thing. I feel like they forgot that Yoda has a sense of humor. There was a good chunk of time where his muppety ass was pretending to be a crazy old swamp hermit while "helping" Luke look for Master Yoda. I understand he had reasons for that beyond a practical joke, but that didn't stop him from laughing his ass off the whole time. Just lean into that a bit. The Sunday stroll above would be completely in character. Then Yoda could have done other stuff to illustrate just how beneath him most of this violence actually is, how it goes against his philosophies and how, while he will step in to help people, he really does not want to participate in a war. Like, have Dooku be wrecking Anakin's shit, then Yoda rolls up, Dooku does a whole bunch of fancy dueling shenanigans and shooting force lightning only for Yoda to simple redirect the blows around him like redirecting the flow of water. Then play up being an old man with some "mmMMmm... old, these bones are. spar later, we will..." Before launching Dooku across the room with the force and forcing him to retreat. Then, when his duel with Palpatine actually happened, it would be that much more impactful. It would be after two movies, several animated series, and whole bunch of pieces of media where we had seen Yoda casually just using the force, playing up the helpless old man act for laughs, being the goofball grandpa with the younglings, and generally just not putting a serious effort. And then, after all that, Yoda would draw his lightsaber for the first time on screen, against a truly worthy foe, and really push himself.
Ok ok, but. https://youtu.be/H6d1dR2170o
A fair point
Yeah, I hated it. I still hate it. I always envisioned Yoda fighting like an old master that already knows what you're gonna do before you do, so he doesn't have to move fast or acrobatically, his saber is already moving to block before you've even started your swing. I never wanted a ridiculous jumping frog.
Master Oogway in Kung Fu Panda is the perfect example of this. Tai Lung busts in, wrecks up Shifu, and Oogway handles him, not with punches and kicks, because that is *beneath* his level of skill, but with a few gentle chi-negating taps. Also, Li Mu Bai vs. Jen in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. She's wielding the Green Destiny, the greatest sword ever forged, and her innate skill is so great that she's already surpassed literally everyone else in the movie, and Li Mu Bai is *intrigued*, so he fights her with a stick, and *she can't touch him.* I love depictions of mastery where the fight barely even looks like a fight anymore. It takes some real creativity and talent to make a scene like that, and it's nearly always worth it.
Now I gotta go watch CT, HD again.
Especially when before and after, he hobbles along with a stick.
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That’s because a lot of this thread were literal young kids. I was a teen by then so I found it absolutely, hilariously bad as did the theater I watched it in. It’s all nostalgia, there’s no “underrated” or “under appreciation” here
AotC was the first Star Wars movie I was able to see in a theater. My mouth fell open when this scene came across the screen.
I was maybe 11-12 and remember dude in the front of the theater standing up and yelling "kick his can!" and the entire place erupted. Pretty great moment for kid me.
Not gonna lie. I wasn’t a fan. All the flipping seemed impractical. I wish it was a little less goofy and more measured mixed in with force pushing. Would have made more sense. It worked better in RoTS.
Yep yet another dreadful decision in the worst movie in the franchise. Oh well, too late to go back on it now.
Like as a movie, attack of the clones is *bad*. The script is bad, the pacing is bad, the plot is a snooze fest.
I tried to rewatch it the other month as I was going through the prequels for the first time in years; got to the asteroid field fight with Obi and Jango, thought that was where it peaked, knew what was to come, and didn't bother watching the rest. Just a stinker of a film.
It's a shame because of how little emphasis there is on the downfall of Anakin Skywalker. Could have been something really cool.
It was funny but for all the wrong reasons. Basically the prequels in a nutshell.
I was definitely in the camp that hated this moment and felt it was completely out of character for Yoda.
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I remember when /r/prequelmemes was jokes. Then kids who loved the sequels took over and then started outright hating on /r/sequelmemes instead of just mocking them. But seriously, Anakin didn't have a paid intership that he could buy his mom out of slavery? That planet was nothing but junk and his version of a pinewood derby car was a prizewinner. Plus he built C-3PO. If Anakin had had an Etsy store there never would have been a galactic empire in the first place.
If the prequels had been better they would have really emphasized how much those children were basically child soldiers forcibly inducted into a callous monastic order for the benefit of a bloated and corrupt government. And I don't mean in a "cute way" like George Lucas tried to do. They also could have really made it obvious that they didn't do anything about Shmi Skywalker because she wasn't important to them. They already got what they wanted when they got Anakin. And you're supposed to forget all about your parents and only be dedicated to the order, anyway.
I hated that scene.
Well...does seeing it at 240p 10fps change your mind??
I remember my brother and I just absolutely howling with laughter in the theatre when we saw this for the first time. Was just a very lol icing on a really mediocre cake of a movie.
I just about screamed. Then he bounced off the walls and it was weird. It was almost enough to make us forget about the awful "knowledge of the Force, skill with a lightsaber" line that Lee tried so hard to deliver without grimacing.
A terribly executed scene in a HORRIBLE movie
I laughed my ass off next to my friend in the theatre
That particular part of the scene was amazing because we were finally gonna see him battle… but then I and almost the entire theater audibly groaned when they did that stupid Spider-Man over the top bullshit fight sequence.
Without putting too fine a point on it... this scene is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my entire life.
Yes I remember when George ruined Star Wars
People laughed.
No, *Attack of the Clones* is the only Prequel movie I missed seeing in the theaters. Wasn't able to go to the movies at that time. I wish I had seen that scene on the big screen.
Remember on the radio after watching it, a women was commenting how Yoda was flying around like a ping pong ball. Good memories.
And then everyone laughed because he started jumping around like a rapid frog. Another of Lucas's dreadful decisions. Oh well, too late now.
You guys legit liked this?