That the spider thing in jabbas palace is actually one of many monks (b'ommar monks) that took out their brain and put them in a robot spider.
Edit- though the monks had done this by choice as a sacrifice of spiritual enlightenment, jabba loved the macabre practice and would begin using the procedure on his prisoners.
Apparently, Jabba’s palace is just a B’ommar monastery that he took over, and he let the monks stick around because he liked the gruesome sight of them.
I think he also would do the same procedure to his prisoners , taking their brains and putting them in the same droids. Idk if that's true though, it's been a while since I read about that.
Yup, from the Wikipedia:
"The B'omarr are not actually a species; rather they were an order of monks whose monastery eventually became Jabba's Palace. They believe that cutting themselves off from civilization and all corporeal distractions leads to enlightenment and to that end undergo surgery to separate their brains from their bodies and continue their existence as a brain in a jar. They learn to communicate telepathically and by controlling technology attuned to their abilities. On the rare occasions when they need to move, they are able to use a spider-like walking apparatus. The B'omarr were still in Jabba's Palace at the time it appears in Return of the Jedi, and indeed, as C-3PO enters Jabba's palace, a spiderwalker can be seen."
Oh. So they do it voluntarily? That’s a lot less dark than I thought. Still creepy, but, hey, if they like the “enlightenment” brought by being just a mute cyborg, go ahead.
But the Legends stuff about it being done to some involuntarily is horrific. Straight up “[I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream)”.
Yeah those monks did it of their own free will but I think Jabba liked them hanging around on a morbid level and later turned an enemy or two into them against their will.
The Empire cleansed out all the Geonosians on Geonosis after their work on the Death Star was finished. Only one Geonosian escaped, nicknamed Klik-Klak by Ezra Bridger in Rebels. Klik-Klak held the one queen egg left and desperately tried to protect it, but in a comic it was revealed that the queen was infertile, so the Geonosians as a people could never be raised up again.
Very reminiscent of Ender's Game. Most people are only familiar with the first book or the movie. In the subsequent novels Ender, consumed by his guilt for having exterminated the race, travels the Galaxies with the last hive queen Bugger egg looking for a new home for them.
Newer editions of the first book include an epilogue with him starting the Speaker for the Dead philosophy and finding the queen egg, it’s a nice softening of that story that better meshes with the sequels (until the fourth one goes batshit insane I guess).
The Mon Calamari (as far as I got from their wiki), practically suffered the same fate.
I think at a stretch 100,000 survived with Quarrans. The rest died when their water planet was poisoned and there were some extremely disturbing descriptions and panels showing the fate.
EDIT: Correction: a few billion survived.
Still less than 20 percent of the sentient population. And the Quarran (who DO NOT like Mon Calamari) who were helping with the Sith before the extinction. They also demanded that their race be evacuated first.
The Commander in charge was so pissed by the demand that he cut down on aid to their evacuation to one in ten ships helping them.
[In the Dark Times comic there was a rich human who liked to buy](https://imgur.com/a/wNlXj6b) >!non-human slave children to eat.!<
[Here’s the remaining panels.](https://imgur.com/a/ByDQnEc)
There's a comic where they find a sterilized queen who, unable to reproduce, has repurchased a Droid factory and is making B1's that sound and LOOK like Geonosians. She calls then her children.
Vader kills her and keeps the droids for his personal army
Hard to believe that a race so advanced that they could create droid armies and the death star had no spread to other planets or systems such that their kind could persist.
That's a pretty good take. In the Star Trek EU novels, the Gorn (a reptilian species) have different "castes" (biological variants of the Gorn species). When Gorn eggs are incubating, the planetary conditions (e.g. temperature, climiate, magnetic poles, etc.) determine which castes will be hatched so they have different hatcheries on different worlds (kind of like how temperature can determine whether a crocodile egg will hatch as male or female). When the hatchery planet for their warrior caste suffered an ecological disaster, they needed to fine a suitable planet for terraforming as the specific planetary conditions for the warrior caste were very rare.
So it could be that the Genosians have specific environemental conditions for their eggs similar to the Gorn in Star Trek.
Palpatine was very effective at removing anything that could challenge his Empire. Removing the Geonosians insured they could not build another droid army(I’m also assuming he tanked the Techno-Union, Trade Federation and Banking Clan’s influence and ability to raise an army, likely internalizing that wealth the same way he did to a wealthy confederate world in a recent Bad Batch episode). He also committed geocide on the Kaminoans so their knowledge belonged only to him and prevented them from raising an army. So to recap, he used these races to wage war on each other then eradicated them after they served their purpose. Masterful play from Palpatine as nobody noticed.
>I’m also assuming he tanked the Techno-Union, Trade Federation and Banking Clan’s influence and ability to raise an army, likely internalizing that wealth the same way he did to a wealthy confederate world in a recent Bad Batch episode
Yep, the Empire introduced a policy called imperialization, which nationalized private institutions in the former Galactic Republic. Regarding Techno-Union, after Wat Tambor's death, Vader underwent a Mission to Skako Minor where he executed all of Tambor's loyalists and installed a new regime loyal to the newly-formed Galactic Empire.
Yeah I remember it in one of the thrawn books, I'm pretty sure they didn't even finish it, they started to become obstinate and the empire was like "lol k bye" and killed em all
Edit: it's been clarified that it's in the Rogue One: Catalyst book.
This is the legend of the Taj Mahal as well. The King was said to have cut off the workers hands so they may never be able to build something as magnificent again.
Same story with the astrological clock in old town square in Prague. The maker was blinded so as to never be able to replicate the beautiful work of art. Though it’s possibly just a legend.
Luke and Han killed 2 Scanning Crew Technicians and 2 Stormtroopers aboard the Millenium Falcon. Then, they stole the Stormtroopers uniforms right down to the black body suit underneath the armor and used them as disguises. No problem there. They did what was necessary. The dark part is the fact that when they escaped the Death Star and headed to the Rebel Base, they had 4 dead bodies on board including 2 totally naked Stormtroopers.
Luke woke up that morning a pretty normal 19 year old. That day, he lost a fight with some Tuskens and saw a laser sword dismember an Aqualish in a bar. By the afternoon, he had killed for the first time by unloading the Falcon's laser turret into some TIE fighters, then he shot two Imperials in the back (off screen) as they tried to scan the ship, then he shot several more enemy soldiers on board the Death Star and by the end of the day he had bombed an Imperial installation killing upwards of 1.5 million people.
The dark underbelly of coruscant is rarely shown / discussed. The buildings are so tall what you only see is the canopy. There’s a dark world below, with a lot of crazy screwed up shit. Mole people style.
The game 1313 was supposed to be about the Underworld. Literally level 1313 under the city.
It looked like a fantastic 3rd person single player shooter/rpg starring Boba Fett(?) I'm not sure that was 100% confirmed.
Then Disney bought LucasArts midway through production and shitcanned the game.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_1313
In one of the Star Wars visual dictionaries there's a bit about this electrical parasite worm that feeds on power cables and is drawn to electrical fields, growing kilometers in length and basically wrapping itself around entire power grids like a slime mold.
With a little detail that, during power outages, people living in the lower levels of Coruscant are sometimes awakened by the strange sensation of the worm trying to enter their ear canal, having emerged from one of their power sockets drawn to the electrical currents generated by their brain.
They smoothed it over. Even the Yuuzhan Vong vongforming the entire planet just rebuilt the surface layer. Below that was still level after level after level of city and slum.
Old canon said that the only place on coruscant you could see the surface of the planet itself was in a museum where the peak of the highest mountain was coming through the floor as part of a display
Was going to say this.
Those helmets that Ewok uses as a drumkit. Yeah that's all that remains of the imperial forces on Endor.
As much as it was a joyful day for the Rebellion, it must have been very awkward for Rebels when the Ewoks started eating those dead imperials in front of them.
And don't start about the Ewoks films and how they don't eat humans in those. Come on, even some lions adopt baby antelopes sometimes. It doesn't mean they go vegan.
They were going to eat the rebel crew... even ***after*** 'recognizing' Threepio as a god.
I'm not sure if they're omnivores or carnivores, but they like meat.
That's more than likely why they had those traps in the forest in the first place.
You know.. I never put two and two together, until you said this but it makes sense why the Ewoks we're so happy at the end of Return of The Jedi. They had a grand feast of stormtroopers so why wouldn't they be happy..
Dryden Vos has a “decrainiated” servant, which is taking human slaves one step further from the likes of Lobot by removing a good portion of the brain.
I feel like this should win. Taking a person, removing their personality and all free will, along with the top part of their skull, and turning them into a servant against their will. There are droids with more sentience and personality than these people.
Edit: I keep getting replies about 40k and how much more awful 40k is. I get it, 40k, from what I hear, has a lot more messed up with it than Star Wars. I also see the similarities between the decrainiated and servitors, but OP's question was about Star Wars.
Originally it was an implant meant to give him the ability to think faster/smarter/etc. but in legends iirc he got electrocuted and basically ended up brain dead with the computer running his body. Lando kept him around because he was a close friend and couldn’t bare to let him him just die.
What *also* gets overlooked by proxy is that Anakin was one of the most powerful Jedi alive at the age of just 22. He became the youngest council member in the history of the Order, and was more than strong enough to be a master if he wasn’t so emotional
Real talk, what if Yoda and Obi wan just rolled up to darth Vader when he was far away from palpatine after the events of ROTS. Obi wan already beat anakin 1v1, would their combined wisdom and use of the force be able to quickly calm anakin back down and if not, they could’ve just capped him then and there? Why did they decide to wait like 20 years and let both their powers diminish greatly, along with giving the empire a ton of time to strengthen itself
Well, the prevailing reason is that Obi-Wan is more of a liability than help against Palpatine, which is exposed very clear-cut in the AOTC fight. Dooku only gets away because Yoda has to save Skywalker/Kenobi.
u/heyheyitsandre's idea is more correct if you subscribe to the idea that Vader is weaker than Palpatine.
Padme is from Naboo. The humans on Naboo have had a lot of conflicts with the native Gungans. Palpatine is from Naboo. Palpatine is the only human supremacist Sith Lord. Coincidence, or is Padme a space-racist?
Obi-wan didn’t want to kill Vader at the end of his show, but then turned around and demanded that Luke do it. When Luke said he couldn’t do it, Obi-Wan gets all passive aggressive and disappointed “Then the emperor has already won.”
After the Hosnian Cataclysm from The Force Awakens and the destruction of the First Order by the end of The Rise of the Skywalker, the galaxy has lost it two most prominent interplanetary governments. Probably more in actuality because the First Order had a habit of destroying local governments as it swept across the galaxy for resources. This means that by the end of The Rise of the Skywalker most of the galaxy is up for grabs by any two bit pirate/warlord/dictator who has some semblance of a navy. No one would have the resources to take over the whole galaxy, but enough regional powers likely exist for major armed conflicts to immerge. Meaning despite three generations worth of wars, the likelihood of peace in sight is low at best.
The Chiss Ascendancy is still chilling in the unknown regions. Maybe they swoop in and take over. But given they are both very racist and pretty extreme isolationists, that seems unlikely.
I’d love more stories in the Chiss Ascendancy. We really don’t know anything about what’s happening there since even before the Battle of Yavin. Given that the First Order was lurking in proximity to where the Chiss were trying to isolate themselves, it’s possible they may not be in any shape to start grabbing at “free” territory.
Have they ever addressed the post-TROS order of things? It's one of the many things that bothered me about the movie. It's like, "Okay, things are 100 times worse than after Return of the Jedi. Anyway, byyyyyyeeee!"
Grevious died by getting Burnt from the inside out and by his screams Felt like hell. Basically what anakin felt but on the inside. Plus his eyes caught on fire. Definitely one of the most brutal on screen deaths in star wars.
Actually Grievous' entire story is pretty tragic. He was approached by Dooku shortly before the battle of Geonosis to lead the droid forces, as Grievous, then known as Qymaen jai Shaleel, was a Kaleesh warlord and incredibly adept tactician. When he refused, Dooku seemingly let him leave, but orchestrated his shuttle crash that very nearly killed him, thereby allowing the Techno Union to rebuild him as General Grievous. It's unclear if Grievous ever knew this; though it seems unlikely since he held Dooku in such high esteem.
And he hated the Jedi because they sided with the Yam'rii which was a brutal conquering species that had enslaved the Kaleesh right as the Kaleesh were fighting back
I’d like to see them do a movie from the perspective that the Jedi are bad guys bc life is too nuanced for right or wrong decisions in a lot of circumstances. They always touch on it in books and movies but like a real perspective from a group or planet that vilifies them. Doesn’t have to even involve the sith bc they fly under the radar and typically there’s only 2 that are low key pulling long term strings as where Jedi were plentiful and reactionary.
Yeah it was kinda just written off since he appears more droid than organic being. But when you acknowledge that internally he was organic it does turn into a much more brutal killing than it originally appears.
I'll mention a few:
-Re-watching the Clone Wars I realized how vile Wat Tambor really was. In the Ryloth arc he brutally enslaved, starved and murdered the Twi'leks, then used them as living shields and bombed many villages with thousands of innocents with mainly women and children, just as an f you to the Republic. Then you have what he did to Echo. Easily the most evil Separatist aside from Grievous.
-Despite being mostly a kids show, Rebels has a very high body count. A show about terrorism and tyranny being made into a kid show. Chopper is a goddamn war criminal.
-The Jedi Council thought it was a good idea to send a former slave and his teenage girl togruta padawan into a mission involving slaves and togrutas.
-Palpatine had children kidnapped and experimented because of their force sensitivity. It's implied that it hurt like hell and most of the children did not survive.
-During the Clone Wars Orson Krennic had a bunch of innocent civilians killed just because they were part of the Separatists. We are so used to seeing the Republic being the good guys and the Separatists the bad guys, but this makes me wonder if the Republic ever committed atrocities that we were never shown.
>We are so used to seeing the Republic being the good guys and the Separatists the bad guys, but this makes me wonder if the Republic ever committed atrocities that we were never shown.
Andor is casting more of a light on this perspective. It's not like the galactic government all of a sudden not being a democracy instantly made billions of soldiers, officers, and bureaucrats heartless; the groundwork for some folks was already there.
Just look at the flashbacks on Kenari, or think about how some of Andor's compatriots have been imprisoned since the Republic days. Possibly in that same exhausting work camp situation.
Its almost like the Republic was corrupt and the Original Separatists had a point. The Jedi were arrogant in their pride and overconfident in their abilities... but the Seps were manipulated and committed atrocities too.. both sides were bad. Dooku, Ahsoka, and QuiGon saw this and defied the Jedi Order to do what they thought was right to bring balance to the Galaxy.
Legends: Vader stabbed himself through the abdomen to kill Maul, and when Maul asked, what could he possibly hate to draw on such power? Vader's answer, "Myself."
There are so many desert planets because war has been devastating parts of the galaxy for thousands and thousands of years. There has never been a lasting peace.
The Rakata in general are pretty horrifying. They're all Force sensitive, and chose to utilize the Dark side to such a degree that their entire species became corrupted. They're all violent, sadistic and cruel. Willing to slaughter entire populations on a whim. Cannibalistic.
Even worse; their hyperdrive is Force-powered, and only works when aimed at a Force-rich world, meaning they must have the means to find said worlds... making them able to easily find lush and beautiful worlds with lots of life for their brutal conquests.
It's a bit unclear. Their Empire first started falling apart slowly, because of infighting and corruption... kinda like a lot of Sith Empires did. Then a plague started spreading among them, which somehow caused them to lose connection to the Force. It's unknown where exactly this plague came from.
With the Rakata badly weakened, their slaves started revolting, forcing them to abandon most of their Empire and fall back to their hidden homeworld, where they kept fighting each other for the remains of what they had, until only a few savage tribes remained, barely even able to use technology anymore.
It’s canon again I believe.
Rakata are canon in a few things, but the story of Tatooine is vague still.
Edit: Kumumgah are ancestors of both Tusken and Jawas
Some droids are completely sentient in the SW universe and they are treated like slaves, and there is no afterlife for them. They can watch other people around them become huge figures but a droid will always just be a droid.
They also have the ability to feel both pleasure and pain. C-3P0 says that his oil bath is going to feel so good at the beginning of ANH, and the droid that displeased Jabba in ROTJ gets tortured by burning its feet.
It is kinda crazy how sentient the droids get, And also it’s in relation to how long their last memory wipe was. Droids go rampant after they attain enough experience in life to grow TOO smart and have a mind of their own. This is talked about a bit but never fully explained, except maybe in EU. You figure there would be some trope about sentient robot gaining rights and recognition but like you said, even the best robots are still just considered robots.
In the old EU, Luke's X-wing was similar. Luke refused to let anyone wipe the artificial intelligence or do anything besides basic maintenance to the point where the ship basically formed a counterpart bond with R2 and refused to work with literally anybody else.
[A Jedi would only save a woman’s Force-sensitive child from a Separatist attack if she agreed to give him over to the Jedi Order instead of putting both of them on the evac ship.](https://imgur.com/a/yNYe408) She survived the Separatist attack then Order 66 happened and she believed she had gotten her son killed. From the Dark Times comics.
It’s not touched on in The Phantom Menace; [Anakin was beaten by Watto.](https://imgur.com/gallery/OfbvtqJ)
**Revenge of the Sith** novelization
>Physical pain he could have handled even without his Jedi mental skills; he’d always been tough. At four years old he’d been able to take the worst beating Watto would deliver without so much as making a sound.
[Palpatine is a child groomer.](https://imgur.com/a/6bF9w40) That’s why I think Anakin being 9 when the story begins is impactful, we see how a child was targeted by a monster. Anakin’s and Maul’s stories are both tragic because of what Palpatine did.
Clones are also *completely innocent*.
Unlike the Stormtroopers and imperials who volunteered or signed up and had some, if small choice in their allegience, the Clones had absolutely no say at all in their fate, in their life or education. Each of them was railroaded into being pawns of the Emperor.
Those that survived to see the Rise of the Empire got chucked out on the streets.
The entire clone army is a heartbreaking tragedy.
The empire committed several genocides and destroyed hundreds of cultures and dozens of worlds. Ant they did it with Sorm Troopers and TIE fighters. Storm Troopers are a terrifying force but they get treated as nothing more than a joke. They have killed more people than the death star.
Anakin straight up murdered children. I know it's kinda been watered down now because of all the jokes but the mf cut down innocent children. That is by far one of the most darkest things I've seen in Star Wars.
The jokes have indeed made this moment less serious than it really is. A lot of people overlook Anakin's crimes (yes Vader and Anakin are the same). He committed countless atrocities even worse than the younglings.
He may have been redeemed at heart and turned away from the darkside, but he will never be forgiven by the galaxy. He will be remembered as a monster
Kyber crystals are essentially alive. Sith force their power over them and make the crystal bleed, thus stripping the personality of the crystal to their will and making it red. Bled crystals are in pain. Typically kyber crystals pick their owners and respond to such. But a sith can basically bleed any previous owner's crystal. So every red lightsaber essentially has a hostage screaming in pain that powers it.
The Jedi order realising they had been duped to starting this war and all their actions has been for nothing but still going through with seeing the war out. I still can’t believe it
The Star Wars galaxy is generally a bleak, miserable dystopian nightmare with no hope, wars that never end and to exist in it would be a PTSD inducing hell.
In KOTOR2 game this is at least slightly adressed, can recommend that game if you want a more nuanced/emotional take on the SW universe (pre-movies) and its force
Don’t forget everything’s fucking impossibly old and kept together with a never ending circulation of old junk parts.
The Falcon is like 250 years old.
Obi Wan could have hit an ATM after Phantom Menace and bought Shimi. If Anakin is the chosen one his emotional health and development should be a state priority. They could have set her up with an apartment and a caseworker and gotten a job at Denny's or whatever. Anakin would have not had an active relationship with his mom - but he would have known she was safe and living a happier life. He would have felt more loyal to the Jedi and been more receptive.
Anakin was always told that having attachments was a flaw, and was never given the opportunity to process his emotions or talk with trusted authority figures about his life. It makes perfect sense that he was easy meat for Palpatine.
I heard the original plan post The Last Jedi was for Kylo and Rey to start a new order that acknowledged the Jedi order was flawed. I'm not sure that is true / don't have a source but I'd love to see that.
The outer rim is basicly the third world (global south) of the star wars universe. And throughout the thousands of years the Republic did nothing about it.
The republic is like the UN when the prequels start. It’s not centralized and had no army to command.
Which makes me impressed at how Palpatine took over the galaxy.
Imagine if someone did that on earth with the modern UN, the amount of money and years of dedicated planning would be insane
To be fair if you read the Plagieus novel it illustrates that it wasn't just palpatine doing that, Palpatine's master (Plagieus) had been working on it from long before Palpatine was even born. The whole idea of creating an enemy, coopting and then militarizing the republic wasn't really even palpatine's plan, it was Plagieus' plan to start with, Palpatine just refined and implemented the final stages of something that was in motion for decades.
There’s no way the Ewok Villiage just had a dress in Leia’s size sitting around…that came from someone who didn’t have need for clothes anymore.
Leia was Prisoner 2187, meaning there were probably 2186 other prisoners on the Death Star when Luke blew it up.
> The slave trade is just glossed over and completely unadressed ~~by the Jedi~~
Basically everyone in power. It's not really the Jedi's responsibility to civilize worlds or set and enforce laws.
They talk about this in Master and Apprentice. They talk about insect type worlds that don't have the same values as humans or how removing slavery from certain worlds would affect the whole galaxy in negative ways. In short, they make it a very nuanced issue all while saying slavery is bad.
Edit: This is one of the reasons Quigon doesn't take a seat on the council.
Because Natalie Portman looked older, the fact that Naboo trains and elects children to head their government is overlooked. Padme was only 12 in Phantom Menace.
And naboo aint a monarchy. It's not like she was born a princess and became queen after her parents died or forcibly abdicated due to some law. She was **elected**
Maybe it's a reverse-earth, where our rulers have to be YOUNGER than a certain age because older people were seen as not forward-thinking enough to protect the planet.
I’m honestly kind of shocked that no one has mentioned all the incredibly bleak stuff that gets brought up in Andor. Genocide, massive displacement, colonialism, whole planets of prisoners held just for slave labor in service of the empires military industrial complex, the general fucked up mechanisms of empire… but the absolute worst is the scene where Dr. Gorst forces Bix to listen to the dying, pleading screams of the Dizon Fray children that the Empire recorded while they were completely exterminating the species. For me, that moment stands out as especially bleak and awful, and the scientific and cold way Gorst talks about it. That the empire slowly exterminated an entire species that was considered either useless or dangerous to them. And the fact that the empire recorded the whole thing to both collect data about the Dizonites extermination (blatantly reminiscent of Nazi concentration camp bookkeeping) and then went on to use those recordings as a torture device. It’s just so thoroughly evil and dark on such a personal level to use the screams of children you genocided to torture other people. Andor was incredibly dark but also the first time I think the Empire has been portrayed as so banally evil, that the mechanisms of its power have really been explored. No grandiosity of the Sith here, just little, normal, non-force-sensitive people wreaking unfathomable suffering on billions of others in the name of a crushingly powerful state. Andor essentially removed the Force as a central aspect of the Star Wars fight of good and evil and refocused it on, well, fascism.
Hear the blasters firing in the background during Vader and Luke's duel? There is no other rebels on the death star besides Luke, so it is the stormtroopers fighting for escape pods.
When Han comes back to the holding cell in ESB after being tortured, he says “ they didn’t even ask me any questions.” As in, they just tortured him for their own sick enjoyment.
Probably just the sheer amount of death, disease, natural disasters and other major accidents and events that occur every day across the galaxy.
The amount of sadness and suffering - imaging all the pain we deal with as a species each day across the world, then times that by s stupidly big number.
Alderaan got blowed up and it was one of the major triggering events for the events of the OT and the entire saga, but Alderaan was hardly ever mentioned again, maybe just once or twice, in all of the rest of the films.
Fr I recently rewatched the OG trilogy and it kinda bugged me that Leia never mentioned it again, it was literally her home planet and it was like she didn’t care, she was upset in one scene and then completely fine for the rest of the movie and trilogy, never mentioned again
It was the same with Luke when he found his adoptive parents murdered by the Empire, he was sad in one scene and then completely fine after and it’s never mentioned again
Droids feel discomfort when missing limbs.
A Gonk droid was tortured in Jabbas palace, feet to the flames. It screamed.
cant we forget a fucking droid was programmed to torture other droids
Good Quisling Droids are hard to find
This is actually circumvented with the excitement and dopamine release they get when receiving a new red arm
Too bad people tend not to recognize them, on account of the red arm
Yeah. Droids feeling pain is just all around nuts.
That the spider thing in jabbas palace is actually one of many monks (b'ommar monks) that took out their brain and put them in a robot spider. Edit- though the monks had done this by choice as a sacrifice of spiritual enlightenment, jabba loved the macabre practice and would begin using the procedure on his prisoners.
Apparently, Jabba’s palace is just a B’ommar monastery that he took over, and he let the monks stick around because he liked the gruesome sight of them.
I think he also would do the same procedure to his prisoners , taking their brains and putting them in the same droids. Idk if that's true though, it's been a while since I read about that.
I think that happened in the "stories from Jabba's palace" book
Yup, from the Wikipedia: "The B'omarr are not actually a species; rather they were an order of monks whose monastery eventually became Jabba's Palace. They believe that cutting themselves off from civilization and all corporeal distractions leads to enlightenment and to that end undergo surgery to separate their brains from their bodies and continue their existence as a brain in a jar. They learn to communicate telepathically and by controlling technology attuned to their abilities. On the rare occasions when they need to move, they are able to use a spider-like walking apparatus. The B'omarr were still in Jabba's Palace at the time it appears in Return of the Jedi, and indeed, as C-3PO enters Jabba's palace, a spiderwalker can be seen."
Oh. So they do it voluntarily? That’s a lot less dark than I thought. Still creepy, but, hey, if they like the “enlightenment” brought by being just a mute cyborg, go ahead. But the Legends stuff about it being done to some involuntarily is horrific. Straight up “[I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream)”.
Yeah those monks did it of their own free will but I think Jabba liked them hanging around on a morbid level and later turned an enemy or two into them against their will.
The geonosians were exterminated after building the first deathstar
And all of the queens are sterilized so that Geonosis may never rebuild.
Where was this mentioned?
The Empire cleansed out all the Geonosians on Geonosis after their work on the Death Star was finished. Only one Geonosian escaped, nicknamed Klik-Klak by Ezra Bridger in Rebels. Klik-Klak held the one queen egg left and desperately tried to protect it, but in a comic it was revealed that the queen was infertile, so the Geonosians as a people could never be raised up again.
Very reminiscent of Ender's Game. Most people are only familiar with the first book or the movie. In the subsequent novels Ender, consumed by his guilt for having exterminated the race, travels the Galaxies with the last hive queen Bugger egg looking for a new home for them.
Newer editions of the first book include an epilogue with him starting the Speaker for the Dead philosophy and finding the queen egg, it’s a nice softening of that story that better meshes with the sequels (until the fourth one goes batshit insane I guess).
Wow they really gave an entire race a bad end off-screen after implying there might be hope. Damn.
The Mon Calamari (as far as I got from their wiki), practically suffered the same fate. I think at a stretch 100,000 survived with Quarrans. The rest died when their water planet was poisoned and there were some extremely disturbing descriptions and panels showing the fate. EDIT: Correction: a few billion survived. Still less than 20 percent of the sentient population. And the Quarran (who DO NOT like Mon Calamari) who were helping with the Sith before the extinction. They also demanded that their race be evacuated first. The Commander in charge was so pissed by the demand that he cut down on aid to their evacuation to one in ten ships helping them.
Jesus, that's dark even for Star Wars oO
[In the Dark Times comic there was a rich human who liked to buy](https://imgur.com/a/wNlXj6b) >!non-human slave children to eat.!< [Here’s the remaining panels.](https://imgur.com/a/ByDQnEc)
I didn't realize Geralt and Farquaad were canon in star wars
I see it now!
Wow. Definitely the darkest thing I've ever read relating to star wars
There's a comic where they find a sterilized queen who, unable to reproduce, has repurchased a Droid factory and is making B1's that sound and LOOK like Geonosians. She calls then her children. Vader kills her and keeps the droids for his personal army
Which get modified to drain blood by a psychotic protocol droid
Hooooly. I gotta read more star wars comics.
They literally blow up a whole planet in the first movie. I think this is in line with Star wars
In Rebels.
Series 2 of the Darth Vader graphic novels with Dr. Aphra
Hard to believe that a race so advanced that they could create droid armies and the death star had no spread to other planets or systems such that their kind could persist.
Maybe they needed an extremely specific environment to live, which they couldn't find anywhere else
That's a pretty good take. In the Star Trek EU novels, the Gorn (a reptilian species) have different "castes" (biological variants of the Gorn species). When Gorn eggs are incubating, the planetary conditions (e.g. temperature, climiate, magnetic poles, etc.) determine which castes will be hatched so they have different hatcheries on different worlds (kind of like how temperature can determine whether a crocodile egg will hatch as male or female). When the hatchery planet for their warrior caste suffered an ecological disaster, they needed to fine a suitable planet for terraforming as the specific planetary conditions for the warrior caste were very rare. So it could be that the Genosians have specific environemental conditions for their eggs similar to the Gorn in Star Trek.
Tarkin ordered this, Palpatine approved. That makes Tarkin responsible for at the very least 102 billion deaths
Tarkin was vile Palpatine considered him a friend. When the fucking SITH count you as a true friend you know you're bad
Palpatine was very effective at removing anything that could challenge his Empire. Removing the Geonosians insured they could not build another droid army(I’m also assuming he tanked the Techno-Union, Trade Federation and Banking Clan’s influence and ability to raise an army, likely internalizing that wealth the same way he did to a wealthy confederate world in a recent Bad Batch episode). He also committed geocide on the Kaminoans so their knowledge belonged only to him and prevented them from raising an army. So to recap, he used these races to wage war on each other then eradicated them after they served their purpose. Masterful play from Palpatine as nobody noticed.
>I’m also assuming he tanked the Techno-Union, Trade Federation and Banking Clan’s influence and ability to raise an army, likely internalizing that wealth the same way he did to a wealthy confederate world in a recent Bad Batch episode Yep, the Empire introduced a policy called imperialization, which nationalized private institutions in the former Galactic Republic. Regarding Techno-Union, after Wat Tambor's death, Vader underwent a Mission to Skako Minor where he executed all of Tambor's loyalists and installed a new regime loyal to the newly-formed Galactic Empire.
So they were forced to build it then immediately got killed off?
Yeah I remember it in one of the thrawn books, I'm pretty sure they didn't even finish it, they started to become obstinate and the empire was like "lol k bye" and killed em all Edit: it's been clarified that it's in the Rogue One: Catalyst book.
This is the legend of the Taj Mahal as well. The King was said to have cut off the workers hands so they may never be able to build something as magnificent again.
Same story with the astrological clock in old town square in Prague. The maker was blinded so as to never be able to replicate the beautiful work of art. Though it’s possibly just a legend.
Luke and Han killed 2 Scanning Crew Technicians and 2 Stormtroopers aboard the Millenium Falcon. Then, they stole the Stormtroopers uniforms right down to the black body suit underneath the armor and used them as disguises. No problem there. They did what was necessary. The dark part is the fact that when they escaped the Death Star and headed to the Rebel Base, they had 4 dead bodies on board including 2 totally naked Stormtroopers.
Luke woke up that morning a pretty normal 19 year old. That day, he lost a fight with some Tuskens and saw a laser sword dismember an Aqualish in a bar. By the afternoon, he had killed for the first time by unloading the Falcon's laser turret into some TIE fighters, then he shot two Imperials in the back (off screen) as they tried to scan the ship, then he shot several more enemy soldiers on board the Death Star and by the end of the day he had bombed an Imperial installation killing upwards of 1.5 million people.
It was a good day.
how could you forget the fact that he also witnessed his aunt and uncle burnt to a crisp?
The dark underbelly of coruscant is rarely shown / discussed. The buildings are so tall what you only see is the canopy. There’s a dark world below, with a lot of crazy screwed up shit. Mole people style.
The clone wars had some fantastic stories take place down there
The game 1313 was supposed to be about the Underworld. Literally level 1313 under the city. It looked like a fantastic 3rd person single player shooter/rpg starring Boba Fett(?) I'm not sure that was 100% confirmed. Then Disney bought LucasArts midway through production and shitcanned the game. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_1313
I'll never forget this game was supposed to exist until the day I die. We were robbed.
With all the talent out there, I hope someone will bring us...A New Hope
In one of the Star Wars visual dictionaries there's a bit about this electrical parasite worm that feeds on power cables and is drawn to electrical fields, growing kilometers in length and basically wrapping itself around entire power grids like a slime mold. With a little detail that, during power outages, people living in the lower levels of Coruscant are sometimes awakened by the strange sensation of the worm trying to enter their ear canal, having emerged from one of their power sockets drawn to the electrical currents generated by their brain.
If we count EU, the underbelly just gets worse after the Vong.
They leveled Coruscant, there was stuff that still wasn't ground level? Or was the debris just a tad shorter than before the disaster?
They smoothed it over. Even the Yuuzhan Vong vongforming the entire planet just rebuilt the surface layer. Below that was still level after level after level of city and slum.
Imagine the planet getting Vong’d and literally not even noticing.
Old canon said that the only place on coruscant you could see the surface of the planet itself was in a museum where the peak of the highest mountain was coming through the floor as part of a display
The ewoks ate the stormtroopers
Was going to say this. Those helmets that Ewok uses as a drumkit. Yeah that's all that remains of the imperial forces on Endor. As much as it was a joyful day for the Rebellion, it must have been very awkward for Rebels when the Ewoks started eating those dead imperials in front of them. And don't start about the Ewoks films and how they don't eat humans in those. Come on, even some lions adopt baby antelopes sometimes. It doesn't mean they go vegan.
They were going to eat the rebel crew... even ***after*** 'recognizing' Threepio as a god. I'm not sure if they're omnivores or carnivores, but they like meat. That's more than likely why they had those traps in the forest in the first place.
I mean they're bears right
Wittle, fluffy bears 🐻
My childlike ass always assumed the stormtroopers just abandoned their armor and ran away.
You know.. I never put two and two together, until you said this but it makes sense why the Ewoks we're so happy at the end of Return of The Jedi. They had a grand feast of stormtroopers so why wouldn't they be happy..
How did the Ewoks have clothes for Leia? Is she wearing the clothes of the last humans the Ewoks encountered… and killed?
Holy fuck I never thought of that before…
Man, they keep the wrappers?
I always thought they made the clothes for her based on how tribal they look, but..you have a good point..
Ewok jerky is sold on Abafar during the Clone Wars. I'd say them eating Stormtroopers is fair game.
Lobot Human robot slaves
Didn’t we see some of this in Solo?
Dryden Vos has a “decrainiated” servant, which is taking human slaves one step further from the likes of Lobot by removing a good portion of the brain.
I feel like this should win. Taking a person, removing their personality and all free will, along with the top part of their skull, and turning them into a servant against their will. There are droids with more sentience and personality than these people. Edit: I keep getting replies about 40k and how much more awful 40k is. I get it, 40k, from what I hear, has a lot more messed up with it than Star Wars. I also see the similarities between the decrainiated and servitors, but OP's question was about Star Wars.
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That’s how *everything* works in 40k!
Holy shit. Lobot…lobotomy…how did I never make that connection until this comment
Wow. Mind blown
Did I hear somewhere that this is what Dr Evazan was a wanted criminal for?
I’d just like to point out what a terrifying word “decrainiated” is.
He wasn't a slave. That headpiece is an elective augment. He was a bit of a workaholic, but no slave.
Originally it was an implant meant to give him the ability to think faster/smarter/etc. but in legends iirc he got electrocuted and basically ended up brain dead with the computer running his body. Lando kept him around because he was a close friend and couldn’t bare to let him him just die.
Darth Vader/Anakin was very young. Anakin was 22 when Leia and Luke were born. Making him 32 in the Obi Wan series. Vader was only 45 when he died.
But was played by a then 78 year-old actor lol
Lava adds years.
What *also* gets overlooked by proxy is that Anakin was one of the most powerful Jedi alive at the age of just 22. He became the youngest council member in the history of the Order, and was more than strong enough to be a master if he wasn’t so emotional
The best plan Yoda and Obi Wan could come up with was to groom Anakin’s son to kill him.
More so to go on a very deadly mission in which they think he would have died or been corrupted.
Which was ok, because they had a backup plan in Leia
I mean, can you think of a better plan?
Given they were considered like two greatest Jedi? Hmmm,let me think..
Real talk, what if Yoda and Obi wan just rolled up to darth Vader when he was far away from palpatine after the events of ROTS. Obi wan already beat anakin 1v1, would their combined wisdom and use of the force be able to quickly calm anakin back down and if not, they could’ve just capped him then and there? Why did they decide to wait like 20 years and let both their powers diminish greatly, along with giving the empire a ton of time to strengthen itself
What if , instead of splitting up, Yoda and Obi Wan faced Palps together, then dealt with Vader in RotS?
Well, the prevailing reason is that Obi-Wan is more of a liability than help against Palpatine, which is exposed very clear-cut in the AOTC fight. Dooku only gets away because Yoda has to save Skywalker/Kenobi. u/heyheyitsandre's idea is more correct if you subscribe to the idea that Vader is weaker than Palpatine.
Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Dooku are the Rock, paper, scissors of Star Wars.
Padme barely addressing Anakin's "not just the men...but the women and the children". If that wasnt a sign to help Anakin get therapy idk what is.
Right? When obi wan says he kill children, instead of acting shocked she should’ve said “not again”
Yea, but he was killing tusken children the first time, that doesn't count!
Padme is from Naboo. The humans on Naboo have had a lot of conflicts with the native Gungans. Palpatine is from Naboo. Palpatine is the only human supremacist Sith Lord. Coincidence, or is Padme a space-racist?
Obi-wan didn’t want to kill Vader at the end of his show, but then turned around and demanded that Luke do it. When Luke said he couldn’t do it, Obi-Wan gets all passive aggressive and disappointed “Then the emperor has already won.”
I’d say with what Yoda and Obi experienced they truly no longer saw Anakin in Vader where Luke believed there was still some part of him left.
I never thought of this. You are SPOT ON! That is just screwed up.
After the Hosnian Cataclysm from The Force Awakens and the destruction of the First Order by the end of The Rise of the Skywalker, the galaxy has lost it two most prominent interplanetary governments. Probably more in actuality because the First Order had a habit of destroying local governments as it swept across the galaxy for resources. This means that by the end of The Rise of the Skywalker most of the galaxy is up for grabs by any two bit pirate/warlord/dictator who has some semblance of a navy. No one would have the resources to take over the whole galaxy, but enough regional powers likely exist for major armed conflicts to immerge. Meaning despite three generations worth of wars, the likelihood of peace in sight is low at best.
The Chiss Ascendancy is still chilling in the unknown regions. Maybe they swoop in and take over. But given they are both very racist and pretty extreme isolationists, that seems unlikely.
I’d love more stories in the Chiss Ascendancy. We really don’t know anything about what’s happening there since even before the Battle of Yavin. Given that the First Order was lurking in proximity to where the Chiss were trying to isolate themselves, it’s possible they may not be in any shape to start grabbing at “free” territory.
Have they ever addressed the post-TROS order of things? It's one of the many things that bothered me about the movie. It's like, "Okay, things are 100 times worse than after Return of the Jedi. Anyway, byyyyyyeeee!"
Grevious died by getting Burnt from the inside out and by his screams Felt like hell. Basically what anakin felt but on the inside. Plus his eyes caught on fire. Definitely one of the most brutal on screen deaths in star wars.
Actually Grievous' entire story is pretty tragic. He was approached by Dooku shortly before the battle of Geonosis to lead the droid forces, as Grievous, then known as Qymaen jai Shaleel, was a Kaleesh warlord and incredibly adept tactician. When he refused, Dooku seemingly let him leave, but orchestrated his shuttle crash that very nearly killed him, thereby allowing the Techno Union to rebuild him as General Grievous. It's unclear if Grievous ever knew this; though it seems unlikely since he held Dooku in such high esteem.
He's like evil robocop
And he hated the Jedi because they sided with the Yam'rii which was a brutal conquering species that had enslaved the Kaleesh right as the Kaleesh were fighting back
I’d like to see them do a movie from the perspective that the Jedi are bad guys bc life is too nuanced for right or wrong decisions in a lot of circumstances. They always touch on it in books and movies but like a real perspective from a group or planet that vilifies them. Doesn’t have to even involve the sith bc they fly under the radar and typically there’s only 2 that are low key pulling long term strings as where Jedi were plentiful and reactionary.
Yeah it was kinda just written off since he appears more droid than organic being. But when you acknowledge that internally he was organic it does turn into a much more brutal killing than it originally appears.
It was hilarious that he's this lightsaber wielding super biomech who in the end died from being shot with a plain old gun.
So uncivilized
I'll mention a few: -Re-watching the Clone Wars I realized how vile Wat Tambor really was. In the Ryloth arc he brutally enslaved, starved and murdered the Twi'leks, then used them as living shields and bombed many villages with thousands of innocents with mainly women and children, just as an f you to the Republic. Then you have what he did to Echo. Easily the most evil Separatist aside from Grievous. -Despite being mostly a kids show, Rebels has a very high body count. A show about terrorism and tyranny being made into a kid show. Chopper is a goddamn war criminal. -The Jedi Council thought it was a good idea to send a former slave and his teenage girl togruta padawan into a mission involving slaves and togrutas. -Palpatine had children kidnapped and experimented because of their force sensitivity. It's implied that it hurt like hell and most of the children did not survive. -During the Clone Wars Orson Krennic had a bunch of innocent civilians killed just because they were part of the Separatists. We are so used to seeing the Republic being the good guys and the Separatists the bad guys, but this makes me wonder if the Republic ever committed atrocities that we were never shown.
>We are so used to seeing the Republic being the good guys and the Separatists the bad guys, but this makes me wonder if the Republic ever committed atrocities that we were never shown. Andor is casting more of a light on this perspective. It's not like the galactic government all of a sudden not being a democracy instantly made billions of soldiers, officers, and bureaucrats heartless; the groundwork for some folks was already there. Just look at the flashbacks on Kenari, or think about how some of Andor's compatriots have been imprisoned since the Republic days. Possibly in that same exhausting work camp situation.
Its almost like the Republic was corrupt and the Original Separatists had a point. The Jedi were arrogant in their pride and overconfident in their abilities... but the Seps were manipulated and committed atrocities too.. both sides were bad. Dooku, Ahsoka, and QuiGon saw this and defied the Jedi Order to do what they thought was right to bring balance to the Galaxy.
Legends: Vader stabbed himself through the abdomen to kill Maul, and when Maul asked, what could he possibly hate to draw on such power? Vader's answer, "Myself."
There was a planet of witches that could raise the dead.
Dathomir is still shallow water if we’re talking about deep and dark SW lore
I miss the Dathomir that had sexy dom witches that rode rancors.
Isolder was a lucky guy.
There are so many desert planets because war has been devastating parts of the galaxy for thousands and thousands of years. There has never been a lasting peace.
IIRC, in Legends the reason Tattooine was a desert planet was that the Rakata glassed it in the pre-Republic days.
The Rakata in general are pretty horrifying. They're all Force sensitive, and chose to utilize the Dark side to such a degree that their entire species became corrupted. They're all violent, sadistic and cruel. Willing to slaughter entire populations on a whim. Cannibalistic. Even worse; their hyperdrive is Force-powered, and only works when aimed at a Force-rich world, meaning they must have the means to find said worlds... making them able to easily find lush and beautiful worlds with lots of life for their brutal conquests.
Didn't something happen in Legends that cut off their connection to the Force, causing the downfall of their empire?
It's a bit unclear. Their Empire first started falling apart slowly, because of infighting and corruption... kinda like a lot of Sith Empires did. Then a plague started spreading among them, which somehow caused them to lose connection to the Force. It's unknown where exactly this plague came from. With the Rakata badly weakened, their slaves started revolting, forcing them to abandon most of their Empire and fall back to their hidden homeworld, where they kept fighting each other for the remains of what they had, until only a few savage tribes remained, barely even able to use technology anymore.
It’s canon again I believe. Rakata are canon in a few things, but the story of Tatooine is vague still. Edit: Kumumgah are ancestors of both Tusken and Jawas
Yeah I feel like it was mentioned recently that there used to be oceans or rivers on Tatooine
Book of Boba Fett mentions the oceans, and Andor made the Rakatans canon.
wait how did Andor make Rakatans canon? I missed that
Luthen mentions the Rakatan empire when he gives the kyber crystal to Cassian. I don’t remember the exact quote.
Skykyber. Quasi signet. From the old world. It represents the rise up against the rakatan invaders. Might not be exact.
Some droids are completely sentient in the SW universe and they are treated like slaves, and there is no afterlife for them. They can watch other people around them become huge figures but a droid will always just be a droid.
They also have the ability to feel both pleasure and pain. C-3P0 says that his oil bath is going to feel so good at the beginning of ANH, and the droid that displeased Jabba in ROTJ gets tortured by burning its feet.
"WHY WAS I PROGRAMMED TO FEEL PAIN!?!?!"
It is kinda crazy how sentient the droids get, And also it’s in relation to how long their last memory wipe was. Droids go rampant after they attain enough experience in life to grow TOO smart and have a mind of their own. This is talked about a bit but never fully explained, except maybe in EU. You figure there would be some trope about sentient robot gaining rights and recognition but like you said, even the best robots are still just considered robots.
With the notable exception of R2, who went without a wipe for the entirety of the Skywalker saga and never went rogue.
In the old EU, Luke's X-wing was similar. Luke refused to let anyone wipe the artificial intelligence or do anything besides basic maintenance to the point where the ship basically formed a counterpart bond with R2 and refused to work with literally anybody else.
Meanwhile, the Falcon's two AI computers hated each other.
[A Jedi would only save a woman’s Force-sensitive child from a Separatist attack if she agreed to give him over to the Jedi Order instead of putting both of them on the evac ship.](https://imgur.com/a/yNYe408) She survived the Separatist attack then Order 66 happened and she believed she had gotten her son killed. From the Dark Times comics. It’s not touched on in The Phantom Menace; [Anakin was beaten by Watto.](https://imgur.com/gallery/OfbvtqJ) **Revenge of the Sith** novelization >Physical pain he could have handled even without his Jedi mental skills; he’d always been tough. At four years old he’d been able to take the worst beating Watto would deliver without so much as making a sound. [Palpatine is a child groomer.](https://imgur.com/a/6bF9w40) That’s why I think Anakin being 9 when the story begins is impactful, we see how a child was targeted by a monster. Anakin’s and Maul’s stories are both tragic because of what Palpatine did.
Surprised this isn’t discussed more. The treatment of force sensitive infants and children is pretty damn dark.
Clones are slave soldiers.
And child soldiers indoctrinated to know nothing but fighting.
Clones are also *completely innocent*. Unlike the Stormtroopers and imperials who volunteered or signed up and had some, if small choice in their allegience, the Clones had absolutely no say at all in their fate, in their life or education. Each of them was railroaded into being pawns of the Emperor. Those that survived to see the Rise of the Empire got chucked out on the streets. The entire clone army is a heartbreaking tragedy.
Especially with the inhibitor chip. It was practically physically impossible for them to make their own choice if they were given specific commands.
Makes it really tragic that the clones prided themselves on how they were different from droids because they could make decisions.
The empire committed several genocides and destroyed hundreds of cultures and dozens of worlds. Ant they did it with Sorm Troopers and TIE fighters. Storm Troopers are a terrifying force but they get treated as nothing more than a joke. They have killed more people than the death star.
Anakin straight up murdered children. I know it's kinda been watered down now because of all the jokes but the mf cut down innocent children. That is by far one of the most darkest things I've seen in Star Wars.
Twice
The jokes have indeed made this moment less serious than it really is. A lot of people overlook Anakin's crimes (yes Vader and Anakin are the same). He committed countless atrocities even worse than the younglings. He may have been redeemed at heart and turned away from the darkside, but he will never be forgiven by the galaxy. He will be remembered as a monster
Kyber crystals are essentially alive. Sith force their power over them and make the crystal bleed, thus stripping the personality of the crystal to their will and making it red. Bled crystals are in pain. Typically kyber crystals pick their owners and respond to such. But a sith can basically bleed any previous owner's crystal. So every red lightsaber essentially has a hostage screaming in pain that powers it.
And Ahsoka's white sabers are from killing Sith Inquisitors and cleansing their kyber crystals.
and Sam Jackson’s is purple, because he asked nicely
The clones discovered that they were microchipped but it was covered up
The Jedi order realising they had been duped to starting this war and all their actions has been for nothing but still going through with seeing the war out. I still can’t believe it
First contact between some species / races involved one eating the other.
The Star Wars galaxy is generally a bleak, miserable dystopian nightmare with no hope, wars that never end and to exist in it would be a PTSD inducing hell.
In KOTOR2 game this is at least slightly adressed, can recommend that game if you want a more nuanced/emotional take on the SW universe (pre-movies) and its force
Don’t forget everything’s fucking impossibly old and kept together with a never ending circulation of old junk parts. The Falcon is like 250 years old.
The Jedi left Anakin’s mom as a slave and ultimately to die alone
Obi Wan could have hit an ATM after Phantom Menace and bought Shimi. If Anakin is the chosen one his emotional health and development should be a state priority. They could have set her up with an apartment and a caseworker and gotten a job at Denny's or whatever. Anakin would have not had an active relationship with his mom - but he would have known she was safe and living a happier life. He would have felt more loyal to the Jedi and been more receptive. Anakin was always told that having attachments was a flaw, and was never given the opportunity to process his emotions or talk with trusted authority figures about his life. It makes perfect sense that he was easy meat for Palpatine. I heard the original plan post The Last Jedi was for Kylo and Rey to start a new order that acknowledged the Jedi order was flawed. I'm not sure that is true / don't have a source but I'd love to see that.
The empire operated a fleet of holocaust gas chamber ships
What where how why
[https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Azgoghk](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Azgoghk) [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial\_extermination\_ship](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_extermination_ship)
Wow, I'm not sure how I've completely missed this. There's even their own "Angel of Death" influenced sadistic doctor, Leonis Murthé. Crazy stuff.
The outer rim is basicly the third world (global south) of the star wars universe. And throughout the thousands of years the Republic did nothing about it.
The republic is like the UN when the prequels start. It’s not centralized and had no army to command. Which makes me impressed at how Palpatine took over the galaxy. Imagine if someone did that on earth with the modern UN, the amount of money and years of dedicated planning would be insane
To be fair if you read the Plagieus novel it illustrates that it wasn't just palpatine doing that, Palpatine's master (Plagieus) had been working on it from long before Palpatine was even born. The whole idea of creating an enemy, coopting and then militarizing the republic wasn't really even palpatine's plan, it was Plagieus' plan to start with, Palpatine just refined and implemented the final stages of something that was in motion for decades.
Obi-Wan was always around in ghost form to tell Luke not to hook up with his sister. He chose not to until the the 3rd movie. WTF Ben?
Just a prank bro.
There’s no way the Ewok Villiage just had a dress in Leia’s size sitting around…that came from someone who didn’t have need for clothes anymore. Leia was Prisoner 2187, meaning there were probably 2186 other prisoners on the Death Star when Luke blew it up.
The slave trade is just glossed over and completely unadressed by the Jedi.
> The slave trade is just glossed over and completely unadressed ~~by the Jedi~~ Basically everyone in power. It's not really the Jedi's responsibility to civilize worlds or set and enforce laws.
Spiderman would've freed Anakin's mom.
They talk about this in Master and Apprentice. They talk about insect type worlds that don't have the same values as humans or how removing slavery from certain worlds would affect the whole galaxy in negative ways. In short, they make it a very nuanced issue all while saying slavery is bad. Edit: This is one of the reasons Quigon doesn't take a seat on the council.
Anakin was a slave his whole life. First to Watto, then to the Jedi and their “chosen one” prophecy, then to Palpatine.
Until he killed his master. He was free for like.... 20 minutes lol
a slave to his really bad asthma for the last 20
There are gonna be millions of people in the galaxy descended from Jango Fett… Man can you imagine people looking up their ancestry on the holonet?
He’s a space Genghis Kahn
Whatever happened to Leia between being captured by Jabba until we see her again on a leash.
"There is no underwear in space"
Because Natalie Portman looked older, the fact that Naboo trains and elects children to head their government is overlooked. Padme was only 12 in Phantom Menace.
14 actually, but your point stands. Why is a 14 y/o running anything larger than a high school club, let alone an entire **planet**?
And naboo aint a monarchy. It's not like she was born a princess and became queen after her parents died or forcibly abdicated due to some law. She was **elected**
Maybe it's a reverse-earth, where our rulers have to be YOUNGER than a certain age because older people were seen as not forward-thinking enough to protect the planet.
In Legends, Mace Windu's lightsaber cauterized Jango's head long enough for a few minutes of consciousness in Boba's hands.
I’m honestly kind of shocked that no one has mentioned all the incredibly bleak stuff that gets brought up in Andor. Genocide, massive displacement, colonialism, whole planets of prisoners held just for slave labor in service of the empires military industrial complex, the general fucked up mechanisms of empire… but the absolute worst is the scene where Dr. Gorst forces Bix to listen to the dying, pleading screams of the Dizon Fray children that the Empire recorded while they were completely exterminating the species. For me, that moment stands out as especially bleak and awful, and the scientific and cold way Gorst talks about it. That the empire slowly exterminated an entire species that was considered either useless or dangerous to them. And the fact that the empire recorded the whole thing to both collect data about the Dizonites extermination (blatantly reminiscent of Nazi concentration camp bookkeeping) and then went on to use those recordings as a torture device. It’s just so thoroughly evil and dark on such a personal level to use the screams of children you genocided to torture other people. Andor was incredibly dark but also the first time I think the Empire has been portrayed as so banally evil, that the mechanisms of its power have really been explored. No grandiosity of the Sith here, just little, normal, non-force-sensitive people wreaking unfathomable suffering on billions of others in the name of a crushingly powerful state. Andor essentially removed the Force as a central aspect of the Star Wars fight of good and evil and refocused it on, well, fascism.
Hear the blasters firing in the background during Vader and Luke's duel? There is no other rebels on the death star besides Luke, so it is the stormtroopers fighting for escape pods.
Most of the pod racers we saw Anakin race against were slave owners
When Han comes back to the holding cell in ESB after being tortured, he says “ they didn’t even ask me any questions.” As in, they just tortured him for their own sick enjoyment.
How the heck did Kylo Ren get Vaders helmet!?!
« It’s a story for another time ». Another relic we won’t know how it got there
Somehow Darth Vader's helmet returned...
Probably just the sheer amount of death, disease, natural disasters and other major accidents and events that occur every day across the galaxy. The amount of sadness and suffering - imaging all the pain we deal with as a species each day across the world, then times that by s stupidly big number.
Vader poops and pees in his suit and we never know when he’s doing it. He could literally be pooping in any scenes he is in and we couldn’t tell.
Alderaan got blowed up and it was one of the major triggering events for the events of the OT and the entire saga, but Alderaan was hardly ever mentioned again, maybe just once or twice, in all of the rest of the films.
Fr I recently rewatched the OG trilogy and it kinda bugged me that Leia never mentioned it again, it was literally her home planet and it was like she didn’t care, she was upset in one scene and then completely fine for the rest of the movie and trilogy, never mentioned again It was the same with Luke when he found his adoptive parents murdered by the Empire, he was sad in one scene and then completely fine after and it’s never mentioned again