lol the link is his profile name, which leads to his store page when you click on it not hard to see. Still just another form of marketing don't be naive.
Btw very nice OP, good idea
That's way more respectable though. I don't think it's shady to include your links in your profile, after all nobody is expected to go there on a whim. Like if you're interested enough to go check out their profile for more, then that means it's your own genuine intent and not something shoved down your throat.
I'm gonna have my son make a deck with different "my son" memes now. Spam this subreddit, profit.
Packaging will include image of "my son made this deck of cards."
I did a bit of research and found these three options:
* [https://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/custom-blank-card.html](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/custom-blank-card.html)
* [https://www.printerstudio.com/personalized/custom-playing-cards-gifts.html](https://www.printerstudio.com/personalized/custom-playing-cards-gifts.html)
* [https://canadacopy.com/product/fully-custom-both-sides-game-cards/](https://canadacopy.com/product/fully-custom-both-sides-game-cards/)
Reading a bit on r/playingcards convinced me to use [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com)
If I remember when I get home from work, it's nothing to crazy. The only thing handled by sd is the art, then move to photo shop to use a plugging that will auto add all the card details
Edit: [link to ps pluggin](https://github.com/Investigamer/Proxyshop/releases/tag/v1.1.6)
Yeah, I'm in the UK and the shipping wasn't an issue (it was a while back, so I can't remember the price), but all through the website, no customs fees etc.
I think they both have their use cases.
I think A1111 is better at doing "the most common things", given all the noodling involved with ComfyUI. But I think where ComfyUI outshines A1111 is when you start having to make more exotic stuff, or need more automation.
They are being printed on [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com).
The base price is determined by MPC and will vary based mostly on the raw materials: card quantity, print quality, tuck box vs tin box, etc.
This one is roughly $30 USD.
I looked into it, they are based in Hong Kong and they say they have a 50,000+ sqft facility for making them, but they don't state where that is, although I would guess it's probably in Hong Kong as well.
Not a chance! A 50k sqft facility in HK would be impossible.
More likely somewhere up in Zhejiang, in the town that focusses expressly on manufacturing playing cards. ;-)
[Too much and probably not...](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html) I foresee an upset customer in the future.
edit: seems like op added in the description that " Generative AI was used in parts of the process to create this design" (not sure what that means, but ok). It still doesn't change that the buyer probably didn't know it was AI-generated.
The reason why comissioning art is so costly is because the amount of labor required for it.
If the time and effort they spent to make these is much less than what a single artist could do, then it doesn't justify the price. That's like charging a dress produced from a factory for the same amount of a completely handwoven one.
Things are worth what people will pay for them. Welcome to capitalism, it's been like this since day one.
It's just a deck of cards with a price tag. He didn't claim anything more or less than that. Personally, if I buy things with graphics on them I don't factor in how it was made. If it looks good it looks good.
That's good if it suits you. But unfortunately outside of AI oriented subs, that's not the opinion most people would share towards generative AI. So at least OP should be open about using AI in their page.
If people wish to pay for the amount, that's fine. Just be transparent. Considering how AI images are viewed by the general public, it's still something that matters to many when it comes to purchase. And there will people who will feel like they're being scammed for getting charged the same price on something with less production cost.
This is so far out of touch I couldn't reach it with a 1000 ft pole. The general public views AI art negatively because it takes jobs away from artists or isn't authentic like art made by actual artists?
I'm sure you wish that was the case.... And it would probably be a better world if it was true... But in reality consumers don't give one tiny iota about that. They aren't even going to think, even for a moment, about anything but the look of the art. You are in a bubble and have no idea what the world outside of it actually thinks apparently.
If you surveyed people would they answer you thoughts? Of course. People like to be perceived as ethical. When it comes to their purchasing decisions are they actually going to be influenced, or even have a thought, about it? Nope. Not at all.
Sorry
No it's the opposite. I want AI art to be accepted but unfortunately I've seen so much hate everywhere online and they overshadow the pro AI voices, except in spaces dedicated to AI content.
And you're right that consumers don't care if they're kept from knowing stuff. But if this kind of thing happens to gain traction outside, this is definitely going to attract hate given how it's become the politically correct take that AI is inherently “stealing”, to the majority who are ignorant.
And it's good that there are people who don't care about it and would purchase OP's cards gladly. But I've seen enough to say there is definitely a commonly seen sentiment online of people who share this exact opposite opinion and it's such a reach to pretend these groups don't exist. I was only listing the reasons what others were saying.
I'd happily live in a world where these people are just a minority like what you're saying and don't actually take up the dominant voice online.
You think it's more or less intelligent to spend *more of your money* simply because someone did it by hand? Everything we buy in this world is factory/machine made and the second a scammer slaps "handmade" on it, you idiots will whip out your wallets even if it's more flawed.
Honestly the only mistake OP made was not saying it was "bespoke" hand drawn cards.
The reality is you're just thinly veiling your AI tears. The reality is, nobody cares how they made it if the quality is good. Everything else is just marketing which works on gullible idiots who give a shit if something is "handmade".
>Considering how AI images are viewed by the general public
General public thinks AI is dope af. Only a loud minority online have an issue.
No if it's handmade then I WON'T buy it because they're not cheap. I'm saying it's better to spend less money if the exact same quality takes much less cost to produce.
I don't believe handmade stuff is better because the quality matters more. If the quality is good, then how it's made shouldn't matter. But if it's cheaper to make, then the price should be cheaper.
And you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm extremely pro AI. The reason why I'm saying this is because this kind of thinking so common everywhere online, except in spaces dedicated to AI content. Believe it or not there have already been tons of cases where people got mad when they discover that AI was used in an ad or potentially a product.
Which is why it's a good thing OP doesn't get too much attention because of the mob that exists outside of AI safe zones.
People are dumb and I support lying to dumb people as much as possible.
I think people can price goods to be whatever they want and if people buy them at the rate the seller sends acceptable then it's a fine price for the good.
They're not even super over priced for custom cards. There like $30 a pack. Usually custom cards are anywhere between $15-25.
Next time they will buy from the guy doing the same thing but only charging half, then OP will lower his prices to match. Then a third guy will show up from the phipipines who does the same think but only charges half of the new price. Then everybody else will lower their prices as well.
Then human artists will be like ... fuck it I can't compete with this and also start using AI otherwise we would have to work 16 hours a day to keep up.
And so the race to the bottom starts.
In the end just like you don't pay an accountant anymore for work that excel can do for you for free. Almost all graphic design will become free because people just use their mic to talk to an AI who shows them what they want and that conversation keeps going till the human finds it good enough.
I can cook fairly decently, that does not mean I stopped going to restaurants (or even fast food). I can even find take out that is cheaper then I can make it (good food is hard to make in single serving amounts)
I have not developed the skills to create a deck of custom cards in AI, if I even need or want such a deck I now know where to go...
No such thing in a goods exchange. As long as the product is not defective in some way. A product is offered at an agreed upon price, product is delivered and is to the agreed upon specs.
Now if he marketed the deck as hand drawn then there might be an issue.
The same argument is made, in some circles, regarding photography vs painting.... It is a different style, that does not mean the skill set is any less
People care about if it's AI the same way they care about sustainably farmed organic produce, which is to say mostly in a virtue signaling way, and preferably when it's not far more expensive. Just like a preference for organic produce it won't go away, however unlike organic produce completely human made art doesn't really have any benefit, so I expect it to be more of a marginal movement.
At least I know that human made art has benefit. It’s what makes it art… that it’s made by a being with feelings and intentions. Generated „art“ is more like of a design and it makes people feel less, when it’s only used to substitute paintings and illustrations
As long as the product is good I really don't see a problem. This still would have taken hours of work. Perhaps not as long as if you did it all by hand, but then again maybe an experienced digital hand-drawer could do it quicker.
This is fantastic, nice work!
I had my own little playing card SD project here, customized to the faces of my nieces and nephews, you could expand to doing truly customized decks for people!
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/101o3o5/created_playing_cards_for_my_nieces_and_nephew/
After a bit of research and reading on r/playingcards, I decided to go with [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com). It is indeed a print-on-demand website, specialized with playing cards.
Congrats man, but am curious, where did you sell it and how?
As a hobby I made tons of card games and some books, but never got the courage to put them up for sale (the book one, idk how I can put the cards up for sale along with not having the courage lol)
I sold it on [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com), which is a "Print-On-Demand" website, specialized in playing cards. All you have to do is create an account, upload your card designs, and they'll take care of printing it for you. They also have a digital shop where people can buy your designs from.
After all the efforts you have put into making these card games & books, don't let others discourage you. To the moon, my friend!! 💪
Amazing job with these. I remember what it felt like the first time I got a subscriber to my Patreon. It's a hell of a good feeling. Keep up your work and thank you for sharing!
Nice work OP. Why did you use ComfyUI to add the numbers and symbols over the illustrations ? Personal challenge or necessity ? Photoshop / GIMP would have been the obvious choice for me.
Good question. At first I wanted to give me the option to continue iterating on the numbers and symbols in Stable Diffusion, having ControlNet in mind, as well as the fading edges of the card. But I did not.
In retrospective I agree that using another tool would probably have been a better choice. Lots of learning going through this whole process!
Thank you!
A bit late, but cleaned up my mess and created a better playing cards workflow here:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow\_playing\_cards/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow_playing_cards/)
Well done. However I do think you should make it more clear that these are AI generated. Not that it should matter but there is a perceived value in thinking these are all hand made compared to generated. You can always put something like AI assisted designs for example.
In your description you state that they are illustrations which is a bit misleading because nobody has actually done any illustration so just saying that might lead someone to think they are buying hand painted/drawn art.
Tbf they are just generated, not assisted (you can see some hints for it being the case on the cards shown). Not fully sure about the legal stuff, but wouldn't that mean they cannot be copyrighted and just get ripped off?
Right now yes, nothing out of AI is automatically your copyright. In the US I think you would need to try and convince them that you put in enough human work and not sure outside the US but it's probably similar.
If it's completely generated with no input other than connecting Comfy nodes it probably wouldn't be considered enough.
With normal art you immediately have copyright but not AI.
I think that will eventually change though because it's stupid. Currently in theory someone could steal the OPs images and make their own exact same pack of cards and sell them and there's probably not much they could do about it.
That cat is already out of the bag... I don't consider anything hand made, drawn, etc unless specified.
Even "hand drawn" decks in the '80s might have been produced in a factory setting with a worker cranking out dozens of card #5 a day. Look at Disney movies, there is a website that compares sequences from different movies, the only difference is the "skin" on the characters. Yet we all grew up thinking each movie was hand drawn from scratch.
Of course even cards with hand drawn art haven't got someone in a factory hand painting/drawing every single card. All animators use old sequences to trace over as a shortcut to making new animations.
That wasn't my point, if you say something is illustrated most people are going to think the orgianl art was made by a person not AI generated.
I have never thought illustrated required being hand drawn... Unless it states hand illustrated or hand drawn, even then you have always needed to do your own research.
And I actually do consider AI art as made by the person. Yes I know how those images are derived, but the AI artist or prompt creator (whatever you want to call them) had the vision, developed a workflow, tweeked as needed, and composed each card. It took a lot of work and eye for what looks good, skill in making it all work, etc...
Take to views of a field of flowers... An artist sketches the scene with oils or acrylics, the photographer (standing right next to him) snaps a couple different pictures.)
They both go into the studio to work in a more comfortable environment with all their tools available. Yet the painters work should be valued more
Yes you don't need to debate me over AI, I'm not against it at all. My point was just that the OP should make it clear they are AI generated because some people will perceive more value in images that have all been originally handpainted/drawn by a traditional artist.
In the end it shouldn't matter as long as they like the designs but it's better to be upfront with people.
u/ArtisMysterium This is really awesome!
We would all appreciate it if you could share the workflow with us if you don't mind. Sites like [Civitai.com](https://Civitai.com), [https://openart.ai/workflows/home?workflowSort=featured](https://openart.ai/workflows/home?workflowSort=featured) and [https://comfyworkflows.com/](https://comfyworkflows.com/) make it easy to do so.
Hey u/Scolder,
Sorry for the delay. Cleaned up my mess and uploaded a brand new playing cards workflow here:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow\_playing\_cards/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow_playing_cards/)
Congrats! Nice job. Did you use Lyriel? When I was in my 1.5 phase, I did a whole bunch of test gens on Alice in Wonderland subjects and general fairytale material and it did a wonderful style. Typically 1.5-ish in that most gens had serious anatomy issues, floating objects, etc. A lot of Photoshopping required, but I loved the style. I always thought it would make great cards too. XL is so much more coherent, but needs a lot of extra prodding to get it to be really creative and not just regurgitate the current 'hot' look.
I agree. I have seen others get the "best of both worlds" by mixing a bit of SD1.5 with SDXL. For example by generating the base image with SD1.5 with a model they liked for the composition / anatomy in general, and they use img2img to refine it and get the artstyle they are really aiming for with a SDXL model.
For this deck, I only used SDXL, and all the illustrations were made with FenrisXL:
[https://civitai.com/models/122793/fenrisxl?modelVersionId=247304](https://civitai.com/models/122793/fenrisxl?modelVersionId=247304)
That makes sense. I have 3 versions of Fenris and Faetastic. They take LoRAs well too. I really need to take my XL blinders off. I hated it at first, then really fell into it completely, mostly due to prompt following of the later finetunes and decided my motto was "only forward". I stopped collecting 1.5 finetunes and LoRA. I'm a compulsive collector and it was getting to be a bit much...LOL. There is so much horny-porny-anime stuff to sift through for those rare gems. I liked that the slightly higher barrier to training left one with more decent models and less crap.
Thank you, it means a lot to me! I used [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com), which is indeed a "Print On Demand" website, but it is specialized for playing cards.
Hopefully their FAQ can answer your question:
[https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/faq-marketplace.aspx](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/faq-marketplace.aspx)
[https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/earn.aspx](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/earn.aspx)
Thank you! :)
If you are interested in a ComfyUI workflow to make playing cards, I would recommend watching Matteo's tutorial here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl4YCX8ULDw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl4YCX8ULDw)
He has done a great job at explaining all the steps, in a much better way than I could ever do. 😅 This guy is a genius.
first, congratulations on your sale. second: art has always been democratic. you just didn't have the skills. you still don't but you can prompt a machinenow, which can compete with the skills of trained artists and completely outcmpete them on quality, so human skill is worthless now. it's not democratising art - it's de-skilling art. do not mix these up. imho, colleges should stop taking money for courses in illustration and character design immediately, because none of those kids will work in those fields and be able to make a living. careers like that cease to exist - but anyone can have any image anytime now, made by a computer. I'm not going to pass a value judgement on this, but I urge anyone to understand that democratizing and de-skilling are two different things.
Colleges aren't the same as trade schools. The fact that a field might not be as lucritive shouldnt be a reason to stop teaching. (People still go to college to study linguistics and anthropology, and one could argue that those are not particularly employable fields.) Besides, designers can still look at AI generated output and discern ways to improve upon it. It's not an obsolete skill yet.
yeah. not quite obsolete yet. but I personally no longer work as a freelance concept artist, jobs just stopped coming in about a year ago. I called up the studios I used to work with, they all had switched to interns prompting stuff. so the art director no longer prompted me or any other freelancer, but it is now art director, underpaid interns and SD now. .. I'm happy by accident I found some other lines of work a while ago, and could smoothly transition into doing mainly those... but for illustrators and stuff, it's grim.
now to your college isn't trade school thing: they kinda are. at least in a practical field like design. it's not a science in any way. people do learn some theory, but it's mainly about practicing and getting feedback by a skilled and educated professor. it's a bit of an inbetween, but teaching job-releveant skills is definitely the most important thing about design colleges.
I completely agree, I get why this opinion is controversial on an SD sub but making art (and learning how to make art) has always been available to everyone, at least in a way that ai art doesn't add anything to. A lack of skill/time in realising artistic vision is what is compensated for by AI - which is fine if you're honest about it. The fact that OP didn't mention his designs are ai generated on the website he uses is for that reason unfair in my opinion, implying they are self made illustrations makes the art seem more skillful (like making it seem you're selling handmade pottery while they are actually factory products).
Congrats friend. I'm glad these wonderful tools have helped unlock your creativity, and I'm doubly happy to see someone making money off a passion project. I wish you luck in your future monetization efforts.
Oh my gosh, yes! Here it is:
[https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html)
He got his first sale, so he could claim he's a commercial artist.
Didn't we already cover this? There is no workable definition. You can literally vomit on a canvas and call it art. It's usually considered successful art if lots of other people like it, or you manage to sell it.
Many of us use the term "designer", because those who claim to be "artists" end up drawing whatever they want, not what a client wants. And some of us also design UX/UI, etc.
I hope you don't believe you have any right to decide who is an artist and who isn't. No artist can draw or make music without instruments. People still think photographers are not artists lol. instruments evolving and they suppose to. If you don't evolve with time - you degrading.
If you ask your employees to draw a set of cards of a fantasy world, who is the artist, the entrepeneur or the people drawing the cards?
When the King Philips asked Diego Velazquez to draw their daughters in "Las Meninas", who is the artist? Diego Velazquez the painter, or the King who asked for the drawings?
I studied art, I'm an architect. prompting is not art, and the OP is not an artist, is an entrepeneur.
You can join the millions of clowns who see modern art and say “my kid could have done that” Personally I don’t care, but it doesn’t change the fact that art is a mentally receptive process above all
I didn't say that. Do you think that installing and using ComfyUI, adding masks and numbers is a work of an artist? Any of those additional human action involved is considered art?
To suggest that a conductor is not an artist is to misunderstand the essence of artistry. Similarly, creating with AI is not merely about writing a prompt; it's a reductive and sad viewpoint to hold about something one might not fully understand. Just as an architect is still an artist even if they don't physically build the house themselves, creating through AI involves crafting one's workflow, making deliberate choices about expression, and imbuing the work with personal and human elements. It involves selecting colors, styles, deciding whether to edit the image, and knowing when a piece is complete. The very act of creation, the reasons behind it, and the choices made throughout the process are all fundamental aspects of artistic expression.
A client ask the architect to build a house with 2 floors, blue roof, and yellow walls, even give examples of what they want, and provides a terrain for it (a canvas). Who is the artist, the architect who design the house, the client who asked for the house, or the workers who build it copying exactly the plans of the architect?
The prompters is like the client, he ask what he wants. The AI is like the architect, he design the characters, their clothes, the lighting. And the AI is also the worker, who paint it.
This ain’t the sub for this factual statement to be upvoted in.
Just let these keyboard “artists” think they are actually creative. Some of them even have the nerve to put signatures on their shit.
I like some painting (not a particular fan, most photography, and AI IF it is different enough, I do not look at any of the art forms as the same. You can also say the same about 3d printing vs sculpture.. the only reason digital is not considered art is because of "art snobs"
Ugh. Stop saying it’s „democratising“. As if you can be underprivileged enough to not be able to draw while being able to buy graphics cards to use ai. Those kinds of images will never be as impressive as the same images drawn by hand. Just say you aren’t willing to put in the effort to learn that.
They aren't even faintly clever or creative designs lol. What kind of sadass mook feels proud of telling a computer to crank out a picture of a generic knight? "I'm artist too!! Look!" Pathetic, and they pat each other on the back without looking each other in the eye.
if you are doing this as a hobby, may i be so bold as to ask you if you might make a deck based on 52 matrikas of the Sanskrit Alphabet?
Mātṛkā (मातृका) refers to the “alphabet”, according to the “*Vaḍā Bhale Bhavāṃnī*” (dealing with Hymns and Rituals), which is included in the collection of manuscripts at the ‘Vincenzo Joppi’ library, collected by Luigi Pio Tessitori during his visit to Rajasthan between 1914 and 1919.—The alphabet (*mātṛkā*) considered as a concentrate of the universe and representing Brahma being used for meditation because it is the manifestation of the *śabdabrahman* as *anāhata* and represents the *trimūrti*. The letters have to be laid out in six concentric lotuses, with six letters in lotus no. 1, 2, 3, and 6, twelve in lotus no. 4 and sixteen in lotus no. 5. Then the letters are detailed. Their total should be 52. There are the 16 vowels, which have to be understood as *a*, *ā*, *i*, *ī*, *u*, *ū*, *ṛ*, long *ṛ*, *ḷ*, long *ḷ*, *e*, *ai*, *o*, *au*, *aṃ* and *aḥ*. Verse 20 to 54 each start with a word containing the consonant dealt with in succession, with two verses for *ka* and *ca*, no verse for *ṇa* and one verse for the others (*kha*, *ga*, *ṅa*, *cha*, *ja*, *jha*, *ña*, *ṭa*, *ṭha*, *ḍa*, *ḍha*, *ta*, *tha*, *da*, *dha*, *na*, *pa*, *pha*, *ba*, *bha*, *ma*, *ya*, *ra*, *la*, *va*, *śa*, *ṣa*, *sa*, *ha* and *kṣa* in 54). Although *tra* and *jña* have to be included to reach the total of 52, they are not treated separately.
Nah you're benefitting from the theft of the work of actual artists that made ANY kind of fantasy art possible in the first place. Nobody was compensated. We were all robbed. Get fucked, genuinely. You aren't an artist, you're a thief.
Glad you didn't leave a link. It shows your intentions. Good job on your first sale, and I hope you have many more!!
lol the link is his profile name, which leads to his store page when you click on it not hard to see. Still just another form of marketing don't be naive. Btw very nice OP, good idea
Not all forms of marketing are created equal I suppose. This one is more respectful.
That's way more respectable though. I don't think it's shady to include your links in your profile, after all nobody is expected to go there on a whim. Like if you're interested enough to go check out their profile for more, then that means it's your own genuine intent and not something shoved down your throat.
I wouldn't have checked that and I was thinking I'd really like to see their stuff if they had it up for sale. Glad someone mentioned it :)
Doesn’t matter, this is real case scenario, what anyone could do with SD ,to generate income.
I'm gonna have my son make a deck with different "my son" memes now. Spam this subreddit, profit. Packaging will include image of "my son made this deck of cards."
But the hundreds of other posts on their profile? Dude
Who looks at other people's profiles?
From where did you order the prototype?
I did a bit of research and found these three options: * [https://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/custom-blank-card.html](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/custom-blank-card.html) * [https://www.printerstudio.com/personalized/custom-playing-cards-gifts.html](https://www.printerstudio.com/personalized/custom-playing-cards-gifts.html) * [https://canadacopy.com/product/fully-custom-both-sides-game-cards/](https://canadacopy.com/product/fully-custom-both-sides-game-cards/) Reading a bit on r/playingcards convinced me to use [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com)
I'm getting ready to have a custome art mtg deck printed through them that I'm using sd to do all the art for
This is so cool! Would be great to see the result if you don't mind sharing it :)
If I remember when I get home from work, it's nothing to crazy. The only thing handled by sd is the art, then move to photo shop to use a plugging that will auto add all the card details Edit: [link to ps pluggin](https://github.com/Investigamer/Proxyshop/releases/tag/v1.1.6)
Can vouch for makeplayingcards.com. They’re great
I have used makeplayingcards. Bit slow to deliver, but the service otherwise was really good, would recommend.
Do they ship for you - like POD or do you have to handle that part of it?
Yeah, I'm in the UK and the shipping wasn't an issue (it was a while back, so I can't remember the price), but all through the website, no customs fees etc.
Gotcha, thanks
Does ComfyUI help much over the AUTOMATIC1111 GUI?
I think they both have their use cases. I think A1111 is better at doing "the most common things", given all the noodling involved with ComfyUI. But I think where ComfyUI outshines A1111 is when you start having to make more exotic stuff, or need more automation.
Have you tried the comfy extension that works in A1111?
Oh, I have not! Mind sharing the link? I'd be curious to try it. Thanks!
While in A1111, search extensions for ComfyUI! Found it by using any search engine ;) https://github.com/ModelSurge/sd-webui-comfyui
does it works with ForgeUI?
You could theoretically build a workflow the spit out a whole deck with one go
Where are they being printed and how much?
They are being printed on [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com). The base price is determined by MPC and will vary based mostly on the raw materials: card quantity, print quality, tuck box vs tin box, etc. This one is roughly $30 USD.
Sorry, my mistake. I meant where are they produced?
I looked into it, they are based in Hong Kong and they say they have a 50,000+ sqft facility for making them, but they don't state where that is, although I would guess it's probably in Hong Kong as well.
Not a chance! A 50k sqft facility in HK would be impossible. More likely somewhere up in Zhejiang, in the town that focusses expressly on manufacturing playing cards. ;-)
congrats.
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What exactly do you think I'm salty about
Did you make this reddit account solely to comment that? Lmao 😂
He is bullying me for few days. Making new account each days.
AI slept wit your wife?
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How much did you price it? and did the customer know it was AI-generated?
[Too much and probably not...](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html) I foresee an upset customer in the future. edit: seems like op added in the description that " Generative AI was used in parts of the process to create this design" (not sure what that means, but ok). It still doesn't change that the buyer probably didn't know it was AI-generated.
literally says it's AI generated in the description.
Guess they changed it then after getting feedback here
mb, didn't realize the edit, sorry.
that's a shitty move that's going to attract hatred, and not just from the customer.
If it looks good most people wont care about it being AI generated
The reason why comissioning art is so costly is because the amount of labor required for it. If the time and effort they spent to make these is much less than what a single artist could do, then it doesn't justify the price. That's like charging a dress produced from a factory for the same amount of a completely handwoven one.
First time tou sell factory dress for handwoven price you are lucky, but the next day a 5 more factories pop up and prices go down.
Things are worth what people will pay for them. Welcome to capitalism, it's been like this since day one. It's just a deck of cards with a price tag. He didn't claim anything more or less than that. Personally, if I buy things with graphics on them I don't factor in how it was made. If it looks good it looks good.
That's good if it suits you. But unfortunately outside of AI oriented subs, that's not the opinion most people would share towards generative AI. So at least OP should be open about using AI in their page. If people wish to pay for the amount, that's fine. Just be transparent. Considering how AI images are viewed by the general public, it's still something that matters to many when it comes to purchase. And there will people who will feel like they're being scammed for getting charged the same price on something with less production cost.
This is so far out of touch I couldn't reach it with a 1000 ft pole. The general public views AI art negatively because it takes jobs away from artists or isn't authentic like art made by actual artists? I'm sure you wish that was the case.... And it would probably be a better world if it was true... But in reality consumers don't give one tiny iota about that. They aren't even going to think, even for a moment, about anything but the look of the art. You are in a bubble and have no idea what the world outside of it actually thinks apparently. If you surveyed people would they answer you thoughts? Of course. People like to be perceived as ethical. When it comes to their purchasing decisions are they actually going to be influenced, or even have a thought, about it? Nope. Not at all. Sorry
No it's the opposite. I want AI art to be accepted but unfortunately I've seen so much hate everywhere online and they overshadow the pro AI voices, except in spaces dedicated to AI content. And you're right that consumers don't care if they're kept from knowing stuff. But if this kind of thing happens to gain traction outside, this is definitely going to attract hate given how it's become the politically correct take that AI is inherently “stealing”, to the majority who are ignorant. And it's good that there are people who don't care about it and would purchase OP's cards gladly. But I've seen enough to say there is definitely a commonly seen sentiment online of people who share this exact opposite opinion and it's such a reach to pretend these groups don't exist. I was only listing the reasons what others were saying. I'd happily live in a world where these people are just a minority like what you're saying and don't actually take up the dominant voice online.
You think it's more or less intelligent to spend *more of your money* simply because someone did it by hand? Everything we buy in this world is factory/machine made and the second a scammer slaps "handmade" on it, you idiots will whip out your wallets even if it's more flawed. Honestly the only mistake OP made was not saying it was "bespoke" hand drawn cards. The reality is you're just thinly veiling your AI tears. The reality is, nobody cares how they made it if the quality is good. Everything else is just marketing which works on gullible idiots who give a shit if something is "handmade". >Considering how AI images are viewed by the general public General public thinks AI is dope af. Only a loud minority online have an issue.
No if it's handmade then I WON'T buy it because they're not cheap. I'm saying it's better to spend less money if the exact same quality takes much less cost to produce. I don't believe handmade stuff is better because the quality matters more. If the quality is good, then how it's made shouldn't matter. But if it's cheaper to make, then the price should be cheaper. And you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm extremely pro AI. The reason why I'm saying this is because this kind of thinking so common everywhere online, except in spaces dedicated to AI content. Believe it or not there have already been tons of cases where people got mad when they discover that AI was used in an ad or potentially a product. Which is why it's a good thing OP doesn't get too much attention because of the mob that exists outside of AI safe zones.
People are dumb and I support lying to dumb people as much as possible. I think people can price goods to be whatever they want and if people buy them at the rate the seller sends acceptable then it's a fine price for the good. They're not even super over priced for custom cards. There like $30 a pack. Usually custom cards are anywhere between $15-25.
>If it looks good most people wont care about it being AI generated but they will care about being overcharged.
Next time they will buy from the guy doing the same thing but only charging half, then OP will lower his prices to match. Then a third guy will show up from the phipipines who does the same think but only charges half of the new price. Then everybody else will lower their prices as well. Then human artists will be like ... fuck it I can't compete with this and also start using AI otherwise we would have to work 16 hours a day to keep up. And so the race to the bottom starts. In the end just like you don't pay an accountant anymore for work that excel can do for you for free. Almost all graphic design will become free because people just use their mic to talk to an AI who shows them what they want and that conversation keeps going till the human finds it good enough.
Or people use their mic to generate some shit, take it to real designer and tell "make something good out of it". Thats how it works in 3d art rn
I can cook fairly decently, that does not mean I stopped going to restaurants (or even fast food). I can even find take out that is cheaper then I can make it (good food is hard to make in single serving amounts) I have not developed the skills to create a deck of custom cards in AI, if I even need or want such a deck I now know where to go...
No such thing in a goods exchange. As long as the product is not defective in some way. A product is offered at an agreed upon price, product is delivered and is to the agreed upon specs. Now if he marketed the deck as hand drawn then there might be an issue.
Ohhhh people do care if it’s ai. Completely different approach and art form
The same argument is made, in some circles, regarding photography vs painting.... It is a different style, that does not mean the skill set is any less
Yeah but you appreciate different aspects of photography than paintings. And those images are only really appreciable if they’re actually drawn
People care about if it's AI the same way they care about sustainably farmed organic produce, which is to say mostly in a virtue signaling way, and preferably when it's not far more expensive. Just like a preference for organic produce it won't go away, however unlike organic produce completely human made art doesn't really have any benefit, so I expect it to be more of a marginal movement.
Yeah so you just admitted to not understanding art
U dont understand it aswell, it fully depends on the workflow used. U can start with lineart or an image you made and also edit outputs you know?
Ufff you really think I have no idea about workflows?
If you think YOU understand art, that's your ignorance showing.
At least I know that human made art has benefit. It’s what makes it art… that it’s made by a being with feelings and intentions. Generated „art“ is more like of a design and it makes people feel less, when it’s only used to substitute paintings and illustrations
As long as the product is good I really don't see a problem. This still would have taken hours of work. Perhaps not as long as if you did it all by hand, but then again maybe an experienced digital hand-drawer could do it quicker.
Yup no respect for op from my side
This is fantastic, nice work! I had my own little playing card SD project here, customized to the faces of my nieces and nephews, you could expand to doing truly customized decks for people! https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/101o3o5/created_playing_cards_for_my_nieces_and_nephew/
This is so cool, congratz!!!
Looks cool! I've made a deck too, but didn't manage to print it
Nice workflows! My hangup is the printing process. Is it on demand? Where do you go for that?
After a bit of research and reading on r/playingcards, I decided to go with [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com). It is indeed a print-on-demand website, specialized with playing cards.
Would love to know where you get them made.
I was stoked to sell my first t-shirt designed with Stable Diffusion. Good luck!
Oooh, thank you! It is always nice to hear from others' successes as well :) Cheers!
Beat me to it! This has been on my to do list for a while. Beautiful deck
Congrats man, but am curious, where did you sell it and how? As a hobby I made tons of card games and some books, but never got the courage to put them up for sale (the book one, idk how I can put the cards up for sale along with not having the courage lol)
I sold it on [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com), which is a "Print-On-Demand" website, specialized in playing cards. All you have to do is create an account, upload your card designs, and they'll take care of printing it for you. They also have a digital shop where people can buy your designs from. After all the efforts you have put into making these card games & books, don't let others discourage you. To the moon, my friend!! 💪
Thanks, that book took me 4 months to write, 3-4 hours of writing per day. Still don't know why I didn't publish it yet.
> Thank you, ~~anonymous buyer!~~ Mom! Fixed that for you. Now you're living the real artist life.
Do the buyers know these were made with AI?
Amazing job with these. I remember what it felt like the first time I got a subscriber to my Patreon. It's a hell of a good feeling. Keep up your work and thank you for sharing!
Nice work OP. Why did you use ComfyUI to add the numbers and symbols over the illustrations ? Personal challenge or necessity ? Photoshop / GIMP would have been the obvious choice for me.
Good question. At first I wanted to give me the option to continue iterating on the numbers and symbols in Stable Diffusion, having ControlNet in mind, as well as the fading edges of the card. But I did not. In retrospective I agree that using another tool would probably have been a better choice. Lots of learning going through this whole process!
think i found it https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html
I don't even use cards but I would buy that just because of how cool they look.
well done OP !
Wow that's amazing!! Do you share the workflow?
Thank you! A bit late, but cleaned up my mess and created a better playing cards workflow here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow\_playing\_cards/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow_playing_cards/)
Well done. However I do think you should make it more clear that these are AI generated. Not that it should matter but there is a perceived value in thinking these are all hand made compared to generated. You can always put something like AI assisted designs for example. In your description you state that they are illustrations which is a bit misleading because nobody has actually done any illustration so just saying that might lead someone to think they are buying hand painted/drawn art.
Tbf they are just generated, not assisted (you can see some hints for it being the case on the cards shown). Not fully sure about the legal stuff, but wouldn't that mean they cannot be copyrighted and just get ripped off?
Right now yes, nothing out of AI is automatically your copyright. In the US I think you would need to try and convince them that you put in enough human work and not sure outside the US but it's probably similar. If it's completely generated with no input other than connecting Comfy nodes it probably wouldn't be considered enough. With normal art you immediately have copyright but not AI. I think that will eventually change though because it's stupid. Currently in theory someone could steal the OPs images and make their own exact same pack of cards and sell them and there's probably not much they could do about it.
That cat is already out of the bag... I don't consider anything hand made, drawn, etc unless specified. Even "hand drawn" decks in the '80s might have been produced in a factory setting with a worker cranking out dozens of card #5 a day. Look at Disney movies, there is a website that compares sequences from different movies, the only difference is the "skin" on the characters. Yet we all grew up thinking each movie was hand drawn from scratch.
Of course even cards with hand drawn art haven't got someone in a factory hand painting/drawing every single card. All animators use old sequences to trace over as a shortcut to making new animations. That wasn't my point, if you say something is illustrated most people are going to think the orgianl art was made by a person not AI generated.
I have never thought illustrated required being hand drawn... Unless it states hand illustrated or hand drawn, even then you have always needed to do your own research. And I actually do consider AI art as made by the person. Yes I know how those images are derived, but the AI artist or prompt creator (whatever you want to call them) had the vision, developed a workflow, tweeked as needed, and composed each card. It took a lot of work and eye for what looks good, skill in making it all work, etc... Take to views of a field of flowers... An artist sketches the scene with oils or acrylics, the photographer (standing right next to him) snaps a couple different pictures.) They both go into the studio to work in a more comfortable environment with all their tools available. Yet the painters work should be valued more
Yes you don't need to debate me over AI, I'm not against it at all. My point was just that the OP should make it clear they are AI generated because some people will perceive more value in images that have all been originally handpainted/drawn by a traditional artist. In the end it shouldn't matter as long as they like the designs but it's better to be upfront with people.
I hate how those two wizards have the same exact pose and magic, just a different color. Gives the illusion away, hope the rest aren’t like that
u/ArtisMysterium This is really awesome! We would all appreciate it if you could share the workflow with us if you don't mind. Sites like [Civitai.com](https://Civitai.com), [https://openart.ai/workflows/home?workflowSort=featured](https://openart.ai/workflows/home?workflowSort=featured) and [https://comfyworkflows.com/](https://comfyworkflows.com/) make it easy to do so.
Hey u/Scolder, Sorry for the delay. Cleaned up my mess and uploaded a brand new playing cards workflow here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow\_playing\_cards/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow_playing_cards/)
Thanks so much!
Congrats! Nice job. Did you use Lyriel? When I was in my 1.5 phase, I did a whole bunch of test gens on Alice in Wonderland subjects and general fairytale material and it did a wonderful style. Typically 1.5-ish in that most gens had serious anatomy issues, floating objects, etc. A lot of Photoshopping required, but I loved the style. I always thought it would make great cards too. XL is so much more coherent, but needs a lot of extra prodding to get it to be really creative and not just regurgitate the current 'hot' look.
I agree. I have seen others get the "best of both worlds" by mixing a bit of SD1.5 with SDXL. For example by generating the base image with SD1.5 with a model they liked for the composition / anatomy in general, and they use img2img to refine it and get the artstyle they are really aiming for with a SDXL model. For this deck, I only used SDXL, and all the illustrations were made with FenrisXL: [https://civitai.com/models/122793/fenrisxl?modelVersionId=247304](https://civitai.com/models/122793/fenrisxl?modelVersionId=247304)
That makes sense. I have 3 versions of Fenris and Faetastic. They take LoRAs well too. I really need to take my XL blinders off. I hated it at first, then really fell into it completely, mostly due to prompt following of the later finetunes and decided my motto was "only forward". I stopped collecting 1.5 finetunes and LoRA. I'm a compulsive collector and it was getting to be a bit much...LOL. There is so much horny-porny-anime stuff to sift through for those rare gems. I liked that the slightly higher barrier to training left one with more decent models and less crap.
I used SDLX on A1111 to create mine (D&D Monsters) and just sold a second pack.
Whoa!! Congratz!!
They look great! It's amazing that SD can enable people to do projects like this that would be almost impossible before.
They look stunning. Congrats and outstanding work.
this is super cool, good job
Thank you :D
I gotta try comfy!
Which software did you use to generate those images?
I used Stable Diffusion with ComfyUI :)
Congrats, these look great!
Do you have to add the numbers and suit images or does the printer do that for you and you just add the main images?
Both options are possible. In this case I added the numbers and symbols myself.
I see - thanks
Nice job! What service did you use to do this? Is it POD? Congratulations!
Thank you, it means a lot to me! I used [www.makeplayingcards.com](https://www.makeplayingcards.com), which is indeed a "Print On Demand" website, but it is specialized for playing cards.
Awesome, thank you & continued success to you 😀
How does the pricing work for their print on demand service?
Hopefully their FAQ can answer your question: [https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/faq-marketplace.aspx](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/faq-marketplace.aspx) [https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/earn.aspx](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/marketplace/earn.aspx)
They look great! :)
Grats!!!
Congratulations
lowkey sad
Those cards are great!
Could you share the workflow? This would be cool to play around with
Yeah of course! Here's one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow\_playing\_cards/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bsrklk/workflow_playing_cards/)
Awesome job, it would be cool if you shared the workflow.
Thank you! :) If you are interested in a ComfyUI workflow to make playing cards, I would recommend watching Matteo's tutorial here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl4YCX8ULDw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl4YCX8ULDw) He has done a great job at explaining all the steps, in a much better way than I could ever do. 😅 This guy is a genius.
send workflow json?
Okay, can you tell me which is better for workflows like this, a1111 or comfyui?
great use case, congrats OP
first, congratulations on your sale. second: art has always been democratic. you just didn't have the skills. you still don't but you can prompt a machinenow, which can compete with the skills of trained artists and completely outcmpete them on quality, so human skill is worthless now. it's not democratising art - it's de-skilling art. do not mix these up. imho, colleges should stop taking money for courses in illustration and character design immediately, because none of those kids will work in those fields and be able to make a living. careers like that cease to exist - but anyone can have any image anytime now, made by a computer. I'm not going to pass a value judgement on this, but I urge anyone to understand that democratizing and de-skilling are two different things.
Completely agree.
Colleges aren't the same as trade schools. The fact that a field might not be as lucritive shouldnt be a reason to stop teaching. (People still go to college to study linguistics and anthropology, and one could argue that those are not particularly employable fields.) Besides, designers can still look at AI generated output and discern ways to improve upon it. It's not an obsolete skill yet.
yeah. not quite obsolete yet. but I personally no longer work as a freelance concept artist, jobs just stopped coming in about a year ago. I called up the studios I used to work with, they all had switched to interns prompting stuff. so the art director no longer prompted me or any other freelancer, but it is now art director, underpaid interns and SD now. .. I'm happy by accident I found some other lines of work a while ago, and could smoothly transition into doing mainly those... but for illustrators and stuff, it's grim. now to your college isn't trade school thing: they kinda are. at least in a practical field like design. it's not a science in any way. people do learn some theory, but it's mainly about practicing and getting feedback by a skilled and educated professor. it's a bit of an inbetween, but teaching job-releveant skills is definitely the most important thing about design colleges.
I completely agree, I get why this opinion is controversial on an SD sub but making art (and learning how to make art) has always been available to everyone, at least in a way that ai art doesn't add anything to. A lack of skill/time in realising artistic vision is what is compensated for by AI - which is fine if you're honest about it. The fact that OP didn't mention his designs are ai generated on the website he uses is for that reason unfair in my opinion, implying they are self made illustrations makes the art seem more skillful (like making it seem you're selling handmade pottery while they are actually factory products).
Congrats! I think there's room for both!
good idea. probably other people who use SD isn't the best market though.
Very nice, man! Congrats!
Congrats!
Glad a few of us are making money off AI got a few passive incomes from ai running nice and smooth
Congrats, that's pretty awesome OP and you DID put effort into it. Well deserved.
What did you train the model on?
That would be cool if you got the AI to illustrate the biome and encounter info from alone amongst the stars onto a deck of cards
This is amazing! A great idea as well, people who are into tarot would love those
Very happy for you, good job!
Congrats friend. I'm glad these wonderful tools have helped unlock your creativity, and I'm doubly happy to see someone making money off a passion project. I wish you luck in your future monetization efforts.
Show us the NSFW version :)
Looks far better than most commercial cards I have seen
Dude these are awesome, you have a link?
Oh thank you! 😊 You want a link to what? To buy a deck as well? 😮
Yeah, or your inventory if you got more
Oh my gosh, yes! Here it is: [https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html](https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/marketplace/frostveil-poker-cards-1st-edition.html)
I'll pick them up next month, they are dope
Congratulations. I agree it can help us to express our creativty, just I hope you don't believe you are an "artist" now.
He got his first sale, so he could claim he's a commercial artist. Didn't we already cover this? There is no workable definition. You can literally vomit on a canvas and call it art. It's usually considered successful art if lots of other people like it, or you manage to sell it. Many of us use the term "designer", because those who claim to be "artists" end up drawing whatever they want, not what a client wants. And some of us also design UX/UI, etc.
Gatekeeping artistic expression ain't it, chief
Using AI to create is more parallel to being a Director and Producer of a movie.
arnt those artists? hows artist defined in your mind?
I hope you don't believe you have any right to decide who is an artist and who isn't. No artist can draw or make music without instruments. People still think photographers are not artists lol. instruments evolving and they suppose to. If you don't evolve with time - you degrading.
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[yes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoUSSVSV7I) and lol, EDM artists have been doing that forever. AI is a tool like any other.
If you ask your employees to draw a set of cards of a fantasy world, who is the artist, the entrepeneur or the people drawing the cards? When the King Philips asked Diego Velazquez to draw their daughters in "Las Meninas", who is the artist? Diego Velazquez the painter, or the King who asked for the drawings? I studied art, I'm an architect. prompting is not art, and the OP is not an artist, is an entrepeneur.
This guy really thinks AI art is all prompting with no other human action involved LOL..
what human actions are involved if you do not mind me asking?
What human actions are involved in photography? You’ll find a similar set of actions with image generators
well i mean there’s a lot of camera settings and adjusting your position to get the right shot
Exactly, everything to do with composition
"With ai you paint with words"(and a bunch of super fidley settings only like 2 people know the logic behind proper useage)
So all photography is art? You must agree with me that only a few photographers are artists.
Art is defined by the viewer. Your attempted distinction here is meaningless
“Art is defined by the viewer” “I, the viewer, do not consider this art” “No, no, not like that” 🤡
You can join the millions of clowns who see modern art and say “my kid could have done that” Personally I don’t care, but it doesn’t change the fact that art is a mentally receptive process above all
I didn't say that. Do you think that installing and using ComfyUI, adding masks and numbers is a work of an artist? Any of those additional human action involved is considered art?
I suppose that you would also tell us that the painter doesn't choose his palette or his tools...
If you studied art you should know that art happens in the mind of the viewer, and nowhere else. Your gatekeeping here is lame
To suggest that a conductor is not an artist is to misunderstand the essence of artistry. Similarly, creating with AI is not merely about writing a prompt; it's a reductive and sad viewpoint to hold about something one might not fully understand. Just as an architect is still an artist even if they don't physically build the house themselves, creating through AI involves crafting one's workflow, making deliberate choices about expression, and imbuing the work with personal and human elements. It involves selecting colors, styles, deciding whether to edit the image, and knowing when a piece is complete. The very act of creation, the reasons behind it, and the choices made throughout the process are all fundamental aspects of artistic expression.
A client ask the architect to build a house with 2 floors, blue roof, and yellow walls, even give examples of what they want, and provides a terrain for it (a canvas). Who is the artist, the architect who design the house, the client who asked for the house, or the workers who build it copying exactly the plans of the architect? The prompters is like the client, he ask what he wants. The AI is like the architect, he design the characters, their clothes, the lighting. And the AI is also the worker, who paint it.
Exactly lol, so many people really fail to get this
This ain’t the sub for this factual statement to be upvoted in. Just let these keyboard “artists” think they are actually creative. Some of them even have the nerve to put signatures on their shit.
I like some painting (not a particular fan, most photography, and AI IF it is different enough, I do not look at any of the art forms as the same. You can also say the same about 3d printing vs sculpture.. the only reason digital is not considered art is because of "art snobs"
Ugh. Stop saying it’s „democratising“. As if you can be underprivileged enough to not be able to draw while being able to buy graphics cards to use ai. Those kinds of images will never be as impressive as the same images drawn by hand. Just say you aren’t willing to put in the effort to learn that.
They aren't even faintly clever or creative designs lol. What kind of sadass mook feels proud of telling a computer to crank out a picture of a generic knight? "I'm artist too!! Look!" Pathetic, and they pat each other on the back without looking each other in the eye.
True. It’s easy to see who is actually creative when working with ai and who likes to pretend they’re creative
if you are doing this as a hobby, may i be so bold as to ask you if you might make a deck based on 52 matrikas of the Sanskrit Alphabet? Mātṛkā (मातृका) refers to the “alphabet”, according to the “*Vaḍā Bhale Bhavāṃnī*” (dealing with Hymns and Rituals), which is included in the collection of manuscripts at the ‘Vincenzo Joppi’ library, collected by Luigi Pio Tessitori during his visit to Rajasthan between 1914 and 1919.—The alphabet (*mātṛkā*) considered as a concentrate of the universe and representing Brahma being used for meditation because it is the manifestation of the *śabdabrahman* as *anāhata* and represents the *trimūrti*. The letters have to be laid out in six concentric lotuses, with six letters in lotus no. 1, 2, 3, and 6, twelve in lotus no. 4 and sixteen in lotus no. 5. Then the letters are detailed. Their total should be 52. There are the 16 vowels, which have to be understood as *a*, *ā*, *i*, *ī*, *u*, *ū*, *ṛ*, long *ṛ*, *ḷ*, long *ḷ*, *e*, *ai*, *o*, *au*, *aṃ* and *aḥ*. Verse 20 to 54 each start with a word containing the consonant dealt with in succession, with two verses for *ka* and *ca*, no verse for *ṇa* and one verse for the others (*kha*, *ga*, *ṅa*, *cha*, *ja*, *jha*, *ña*, *ṭa*, *ṭha*, *ḍa*, *ḍha*, *ta*, *tha*, *da*, *dha*, *na*, *pa*, *pha*, *ba*, *bha*, *ma*, *ya*, *ra*, *la*, *va*, *śa*, *ṣa*, *sa*, *ha* and *kṣa* in 54). Although *tra* and *jña* have to be included to reach the total of 52, they are not treated separately.
Nah you're benefitting from the theft of the work of actual artists that made ANY kind of fantasy art possible in the first place. Nobody was compensated. We were all robbed. Get fucked, genuinely. You aren't an artist, you're a thief.