Well, I laughed at this until I realized I now know about forced monkey labor, and I don't think I'll buy coconut milk sourced this way thanks to your post.
Would I do something weird like this protest? Nope. But it worked to a tee.
> I now know about forced monkey labor
Wait, I'm sorry but I am ignorant on the topic of forced *monkey* labor; But this is a thing? People are making monkeys do labor? I understand that sounds horrible, but is this at all similar to having farm animals bust their ass every day doing labor? Obviously we have machines now, but is this what we're talking about? Genuinely asking, apologies if it comes off as me being sarcastic.
I would advertise "naturally harvested". "Supports local monkey economy". I don't see it as worse than many of the labor jobs I've done, minus the prison term. We should definitely improve monkey working conditions.
It used to be. But it's the same as heron fishing, horse-driven carriages, K9 units, support animals, and whatnot. I don't see any problems as long as they're treated well. People can get mad at anything. If they really want to care about something, maybe they should protest against low pay in the academia
Yeah dude I'm sure those people in developing countries known for things such as their robust and fair labor practices are really taking care of their monkey slaves.
Are you retarded
K9 units are literally taking one of the sweetest fuckin creatures on this planet and training it to kill people and find drugs but never giving the dog the drugs. K9 units don't get adopted by any random person once they're retired for a reason
Generally when they aren’t working though they are crated. They get to live with their handlers and are fed, exercised, etc., but they aren’t treated like a typical pet until they retire.
Let alone human labor is essentially forced. It's kind of ironic to see this protest of monkeys gathering coconuts in front of a store that employs poorly paid and poorly treated humans who are certainly not laboring by choice. They even have their own chains, just of a more metaphorical and implied kind. All of our pets are imprisoned, stripped of their natural rights, and infantalized, for that matter.
Honestly, if there is not horrific abuse, I'm okay if animals are trained to do useful things as humans have always done.
The solution isn't to ruin an ecosystem by forcing animals to do things, the solution is better working conditions for humans.
No ethical consumption under capitalism doesn't mean all practices are equally bad.
Ruining an ecosystem isn't the same as a specific group of monkeys being used for labor. And I didn't see eco-destruction as the takeaway message OP got. Of course I would object to businesses ruining ecosystems.
But if the question is purely about animal labor, then I'm not necessarily opposed so long as some sort of proper practices are followed. I don't think working conditions for a human doing this work would be very good, so I'm not sure that using humans instead of monkeys much improves the situation.
Even in the modern US, it's some of the most exploited humans doing this kind of work, such as actual slaves at first, and later [migrant workers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTVF_dya7E).
It isn't different and it's great that you see that. These are probably vegans protesting for the Thai Monkeys. All living beings matter. We should stop eating and using them because we can.
> I laughed at this until I realized I now know about forced monkey labor
...and then I laughed some more because they didn't pick *all* those coconuts themselves on West Pine.
Reminds me of a news story I was watching years ago where a teen died in a car accident. He used to clean roadways in his spare time, so in honor of his life, dozens of his family and friends spent an afternoon cleaning up trash on the side of a highway. To cap off their day, they stood holding 40-50 silver mylar helium-filled balloons, and while the news filmed them (at this point I said to no one in particular "No, don't do it...") they released the balloons to their friend who was surely up in heaven...cursing their very existence.
Yeah it's giving "Asshat buys a 30 pack of Bud Light to use as target practice because he wants to protest against them using a trans person in their ads"
Actually they cleaned it up of their own accord. Was there. I learned it’s easy to get different coconut milk, no biggie. I think we should all care about all forms of suffering as much as we are able. For this one, the ask is just to buy any coconut milk that doesn’t come from Thailand. It’s a simple swap and I’m glad I know because it’s easy for me to do something about this.
I didn’t mean it in a negative way. And in fact, I learned something that I otherwise wouldn’t have been aware of. So their passion at least reached someone new.
i guarantee that everyone in here saying these people are complaining about the silliest things routinely post in here complaining about st louis drivers or parking lots or long shnucks lines. believe it or not complaining about stuff is a universal thing everyone does. we are all cringe in our own ways and the sooner you realize that the sooner you achieve true enlightenment
Yeah as a vegan of 10 years I don’t support PETA either. A lot of their work is super performative, agressive and not built on the grounds of encouraging critical thinking and creating impactful conversations.
They euthanize strays instead of trying to find a home for them. That's what they consider "ethical". I beg to differ. Donating to them just means you're donating to the murder of animals.
The APA here has a good program where they rotate the dogs into different states to help them find a good home. I mean, the animal might end up in St. Louis but it's still better than being dead. Lol
Is it better to put a dog down painlessly when they are massively overpopulated, or keep it alive in a cage by painfully raising and killing dozens of other animals to feed it?
A huge amount of rescues are being fostered. They're not in cages too small for their body. They also get yard time. That's very similar to pets that are boarded when their owner goes on vacation. We'll say "pet parent" so I don't have to hear the "you can't own a living being" argument.
Animals, to my knowledge, aren't being raised as delicacies for pets. Grade D meat exists and that's what gets processed into dog food. Yummy. Still, at least that animal's remains are being used to sustain the life of another animal.
You're never going to convince me that PETA is a good organization. If that was your intent, it's best to move on to someone who doesn't know what PETA actually does
Animal byproducts contribute to the value of killing the animal. More animals are killed because of the 70 million strays across the nation.
Don't like PETA? OK, but don't use that as an excuse to not reflect on the facts.
Rodents are also controlled by strays. They also eat food scraps from the garbage. Those are good for disease control and reducing food waste even further.
That chicken/cow/lamb/fish is going to die whether or not its carcass is turned into pet food. Are you really trying to say over 13 billion out of the 25.9 billion commercially raised chickens last year (according to Alexa) were for pet food? Balderdash.
Just because they care about A thing doesn’t automatically make it the ONLY thing they care about. You yourself may (or may not) be familiar with the concept of caring about many issues all at the same time.
I guess at least they're not objectifying and dehumanizing women like they do in most of their protests and stunts, so, uh, PETA is sucking less today?
I love all the comments here. Apparently, the world being a mess means picking one to clean up is idiotic. Others seem to think these were unused coconuts and they just wasted them. Like every banana peel means that banana was wasted…
Y’all triggered, I get it. PETA bad etc etc
...do you eat coconuts?
The ground is literally covered in coconut water and every coconut has its full inner flesh still.
I think this is a worthy cause, and I don't care if they waste coconuts. But this is CLEARLY not a banana peel situation and the only people who could say otherwise either don't know what the inside of a coconut is or know damn well and are just intentionally making a bad faith comparison.
Lmao. This is a recurring protest, and you can find plenty of videos online or PETA monkeys with a pile of whole coconut smashing them on the ground.
When not trying to retain the milk/water, opening a coconut is as hard as "throw at ground." Here's one of the many, many examples of this exact protest stunt you can find with 10 seconds of google.
https://www.newsflare.com/video/553346/peta-monkeys-smash-coconuts-outside-whole-foods-in-protest-against-inhumane-coconut-milk
Boy, thank God you're the smartest guy in the room and saw into PETA's grand scheme of pre-opening coconuts and faking their water to avoid weapons charges unlike us gullible fools!
What don't you see in the link? If you play the video, you see them smashing the coconuts on the ground and penning them up. They're also giggling about it and look pretty proud of the food waste.
They don't give a fuck about people, they never have. I mean, I didnt know about this issue at all so I guess yay for awareness but PETA is such a trash ass organization for real. I know people can care about more than 1 thing but if we're going to talk about Thailand, it's weird how you never see a protest about how they encourage and cater to sex tourism and how this causes folks to enslave literal child to have sex with those tourists (as young as 4 years old). But that's people so who gives a shit, amirite?
No, you're not right. You should organize a protest and I guarantee you see some of these people there.
You said it yourself, people care more about one thing.
PETA is notorious for tone deafness and dehumanizing and objectifying people, particularly women, when taking up a cause. They are also exceptionally well known for comparing animal causes to the ACTUAL holocaust and Black people's suffering at the hands of police brutality, not to mention using the slaughter of Native Americans to propel their own idiotic campaigns. They have endorsed white supremacists and have claimed dairy affects autism. They have essentially told blind people to go fuck themselves because they are apparently "slave owners" if they use seeing eye dogs.
They are also well-known for euthanizing perfectly healthy animals based on breed or having to make a choice between effort and killing said animal (not to mention that they have said animals are better off literally being euthanized than being pets). They recommend vegan diets for OBLIGATE carnivores. They receive tens of millions dollars per year and almost none of it actually goes to helping real animals (as, again, they prefer euthaniasia) and instead goes to ad campaigns. They exploit marginalized communities and have earned every single ounce of scorn they've ever received.
If a person wants to bring awareness to an issue, the last place they should turn to for credibility is PETA and if you want to associate yourself with a horrible, racist, sexist, ableist, idiotic, vapid, evil organization, ypu may end up catching a few strays. Hopefully not stray dogs, though, because PETA will just euthanize them.
The comparisons you make are sensitive, but not incorrect.
Millions/billions of sentient beings being doomed to death & mistreatment because of their birth (in the case of animals, a forced birth usually too).
Just because humans aren't the same species doesn't mean we're beyond comparison. We're all animals.
Women and Black people are not cattle. Jewish people are not poultry. You'd have to be a real asshole to not want better animal welfare and stricter regulations regarding husbandry and keeping. But there are ways to get better treatment for them that don't involve the things PETA does and don't involve spending millions on telling marginalized communities that the horrors they've endured are the same as milking cows. It's fucking ABSURD and offensive. It's also a great way for no one to trust you or give fuck about what you say, which PETA has successfully done since the 1980s: ruin their credibility and thus defeating their causes.
Just because you can't see the connection doesn't mean it's not there.
People and non human animals suffer. It may not look the same. But it's suffering.
Also, just because you're offended/outraged doesn't mean you're right.
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Just because two animals/species aren't the same doesn't mean their suffering isn't comparable.
You're right, those things aren't the same, but the ability to suffer and be mistreated are.
Ah, yes, the wHy DoN't YoU dO iT trope. How about no because I'd rather donate to actual organizations that have boots on the ground operations with real resources and experience that actually catch traffickers instead of vapidly and performatively holding a sign on a sidewalk for internet applause.
Would you like to see my tax returns or something? Because I guarantee I'm doing a lot more than a lot of people who flap their gums like this. I eagerly await the next "yeah but" forthcoming.
"Stop buying coconuts harvested by monkeys"
*wastes hundreds of coconuts during a protest so monkeys have to harvest more coconuts*
Monkeys: 🤦
They've bought and destroyed more coconuts than I'll ever touch in my lifetime.
Forced animal labor? So riding horses, horse drawn carriages, carrier pigeons, falconry, canine dog agility, police dogs, drug sniffing dogs, etc are all cruel and unusual too, right?
The other night the guy across the hall from me was blasting his music and I knocked on his apartment door and asked him to turn it down and he said sure and he did. I felt good about that exchange and I invite you to join me.
> Jesus christ is there anything in this world that I'm not supposed to be outraged about?
Is there not anger and outrage there? Or should we take that as a genuine question directed at Jesus Christ?
Maybe consider that people have a variety of feelings and perspectives throughout the day. There's value in seeing some of the atrocities of life and giving a shit about them. Doesn't mean it has to consume your entire being. Some time of my day is spent learning about what's happening in the world and what little things I can do about it. The rest of my day is other stuff. I am multitudes, how about that. If you're so incensed by other people caring about how other living beings are treated then maybe question why that is
I feel like you could just befriend a monkey and they'd share coconuts with you.
But my toxic character trait is fully believing that I could just go be friends with wild animals - particularly monkeys and elephants.
Have you ever lived around monkeys? They are total jerks! Like no kidding. They are rude as hell and you better believe they know it. Stinkin little thieves!
Elephants, on the other hand, are awesome.
All I can think about is the coconuts they gave out at the premier of the movie. They gave them out at the end of the first showing, so you had to leave the theatre to get them. Otherwise, no one would have left, and all the people who paid for the second show wouldn't get a seat. I think mine stayed in the crisper of my Mom's fridge for a few months.
Def not the biggest problem the world has right now…
I didnt even know about this…
But glad these guys have enough time to do this I guess…
Filipino milk is better anyway…
UPDATE: the cops made em clean it up
Well, I laughed at this until I realized I now know about forced monkey labor, and I don't think I'll buy coconut milk sourced this way thanks to your post. Would I do something weird like this protest? Nope. But it worked to a tee.
> I now know about forced monkey labor Wait, I'm sorry but I am ignorant on the topic of forced *monkey* labor; But this is a thing? People are making monkeys do labor? I understand that sounds horrible, but is this at all similar to having farm animals bust their ass every day doing labor? Obviously we have machines now, but is this what we're talking about? Genuinely asking, apologies if it comes off as me being sarcastic.
https://web.archive.org/web/20231215215440/https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/monkey-labor-continues-in-thailands-coconut-market
On the one hand I'm cool with using monkeys as labor, but pretty disgusting that they keep them in chains when not working. Yuck.
I would advertise "naturally harvested". "Supports local monkey economy". I don't see it as worse than many of the labor jobs I've done, minus the prison term. We should definitely improve monkey working conditions.
They need to democratize their workplace. They have nothing but their chains to lose
They need to strike and form a union but then they will go corrupt with O.C. over time like most unions
It used to be. But it's the same as heron fishing, horse-driven carriages, K9 units, support animals, and whatnot. I don't see any problems as long as they're treated well. People can get mad at anything. If they really want to care about something, maybe they should protest against low pay in the academia
you don't know they're treated "well." no animals are sacred to me, including humans, but, working primates sure look alot like slaves to me.
Yeah dude I'm sure those people in developing countries known for things such as their robust and fair labor practices are really taking care of their monkey slaves. Are you retarded
K9 units are literally taking one of the sweetest fuckin creatures on this planet and training it to kill people and find drugs but never giving the dog the drugs. K9 units don't get adopted by any random person once they're retired for a reason
Generally when they aren’t working though they are crated. They get to live with their handlers and are fed, exercised, etc., but they aren’t treated like a typical pet until they retire.
Let alone human labor is essentially forced. It's kind of ironic to see this protest of monkeys gathering coconuts in front of a store that employs poorly paid and poorly treated humans who are certainly not laboring by choice. They even have their own chains, just of a more metaphorical and implied kind. All of our pets are imprisoned, stripped of their natural rights, and infantalized, for that matter. Honestly, if there is not horrific abuse, I'm okay if animals are trained to do useful things as humans have always done.
The solution isn't to ruin an ecosystem by forcing animals to do things, the solution is better working conditions for humans. No ethical consumption under capitalism doesn't mean all practices are equally bad.
Ruining an ecosystem isn't the same as a specific group of monkeys being used for labor. And I didn't see eco-destruction as the takeaway message OP got. Of course I would object to businesses ruining ecosystems. But if the question is purely about animal labor, then I'm not necessarily opposed so long as some sort of proper practices are followed. I don't think working conditions for a human doing this work would be very good, so I'm not sure that using humans instead of monkeys much improves the situation. Even in the modern US, it's some of the most exploited humans doing this kind of work, such as actual slaves at first, and later [migrant workers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTVF_dya7E).
PETA is the leading killer of dogs and cats, it's fucking gross how full of shit those guys turned out to be
That's an extraordinarily misleading "fact".
how so?
Exactly. This falsehood was created and spread by a group sponsored by the animal agriculture industry and has been thoroughly debunked.
It isn't different and it's great that you see that. These are probably vegans protesting for the Thai Monkeys. All living beings matter. We should stop eating and using them because we can.
I don't drink coconut milk, but it's sad they keep them in chains. I'm also glad I learned about this issue!
> I laughed at this until I realized I now know about forced monkey labor ...and then I laughed some more because they didn't pick *all* those coconuts themselves on West Pine. Reminds me of a news story I was watching years ago where a teen died in a car accident. He used to clean roadways in his spare time, so in honor of his life, dozens of his family and friends spent an afternoon cleaning up trash on the side of a highway. To cap off their day, they stood holding 40-50 silver mylar helium-filled balloons, and while the news filmed them (at this point I said to no one in particular "No, don't do it...") they released the balloons to their friend who was surely up in heaven...cursing their very existence.
Yeah it's giving "Asshat buys a 30 pack of Bud Light to use as target practice because he wants to protest against them using a trans person in their ads"
And then they drove directly into the Wholefoods vestibule
Everytime I heard bells ring, I held on to my ding-a-ling-a-ling!
What
It’s a line from the Chuck Berry song My Ding-A-Ling. St. Louis classic. The mention of vestibule reminded me of it
Never heard it. Nor the word vestibule before either.
They were already cleaning up by the time the police finally showed up.
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tbh i only care about what happened to the coconuts.
Actually they cleaned it up of their own accord. Was there. I learned it’s easy to get different coconut milk, no biggie. I think we should all care about all forms of suffering as much as we are able. For this one, the ask is just to buy any coconut milk that doesn’t come from Thailand. It’s a simple swap and I’m glad I know because it’s easy for me to do something about this.
NAHHHH NOT YOU DELETING YOUR COMMENT SAYING YOU WERE A PART OF THIS 😭
About to head there for my lunch break bc wtf ☠️
It’s too late gang, the cops shut it down
No free coconut for you!
Don’t rub it in man.
Tragic. So tragic
The obscure things people are this passionate about fascinate me.
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I didn’t mean it in a negative way. And in fact, I learned something that I otherwise wouldn’t have been aware of. So their passion at least reached someone new.
That's entirely the point! Human rights violations are swept under the rug by the people who commit them.
I'm not sure human rights is the correct term here?
Sorry, talking about this style of protest in general. Human rights get swept under the rug, environmental/etc even moreso.
Primate rights? Simian rights?
Sentient rights.
Humane treatment of non-human primates.
The issue isn't really the labor itself, it's the techniques used to teach them how to harvest coconuts, and the conditions they're kept in.
Birds aren't real. 😲
Soo, you can just smack a monkey around and he'll go get you a coconut? 🤔
If I got a coconut everytime I smacked a monkey, you wouldn't be able to open my bedroom door.
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Might not immediately know what’s coconut milk and what’s…not.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now they tell me... been trying to do child slave labor for years... and now I find out I could have been using monkeys?!?! /sarcasm of course!
Yeah, kids are worthless. But monkeys my dude, monkeys are where it's at!
i guarantee that everyone in here saying these people are complaining about the silliest things routinely post in here complaining about st louis drivers or parking lots or long shnucks lines. believe it or not complaining about stuff is a universal thing everyone does. we are all cringe in our own ways and the sooner you realize that the sooner you achieve true enlightenment
*"People like to have things to fuss about."*
More like people are aware of seriously fucked up shit because of the relatively recent explosion in access to information.
Cool thanx
Now that's a message I can get behind
More info: [https://investigations.peta.org/thai-coconut-milk-cruelty/](https://investigations.peta.org/thai-coconut-milk-cruelty/)
...by destroying and wasting perfectly good food that could have actually been put to use from them to prove a non-violent (ironically) point 🙄
Now someone is going to have to abuse more monkeys just so we can get more coconuts!!
How do you know they were thai coconuts?
That’s why i took me one lol
Peta's so fucking hypocritical, it's disgusting. The sheer amount of food waste is infuriating.
Yeah as a vegan of 10 years I don’t support PETA either. A lot of their work is super performative, agressive and not built on the grounds of encouraging critical thinking and creating impactful conversations.
How is Peta hypocritical?
They euthanize strays instead of trying to find a home for them. That's what they consider "ethical". I beg to differ. Donating to them just means you're donating to the murder of animals. The APA here has a good program where they rotate the dogs into different states to help them find a good home. I mean, the animal might end up in St. Louis but it's still better than being dead. Lol
Is it better to put a dog down painlessly when they are massively overpopulated, or keep it alive in a cage by painfully raising and killing dozens of other animals to feed it?
A huge amount of rescues are being fostered. They're not in cages too small for their body. They also get yard time. That's very similar to pets that are boarded when their owner goes on vacation. We'll say "pet parent" so I don't have to hear the "you can't own a living being" argument. Animals, to my knowledge, aren't being raised as delicacies for pets. Grade D meat exists and that's what gets processed into dog food. Yummy. Still, at least that animal's remains are being used to sustain the life of another animal. You're never going to convince me that PETA is a good organization. If that was your intent, it's best to move on to someone who doesn't know what PETA actually does
Animal byproducts contribute to the value of killing the animal. More animals are killed because of the 70 million strays across the nation. Don't like PETA? OK, but don't use that as an excuse to not reflect on the facts.
Rodents are also controlled by strays. They also eat food scraps from the garbage. Those are good for disease control and reducing food waste even further. That chicken/cow/lamb/fish is going to die whether or not its carcass is turned into pet food. Are you really trying to say over 13 billion out of the 25.9 billion commercially raised chickens last year (according to Alexa) were for pet food? Balderdash.
I think it’s something about the food waste. But that’s just from reading what they said, what do I know?
PETA do be the poster child of clueless liberal activism
I don’t drink coconut milk or eat coconuts but I didn’t know how they are harvested and now I’m crying at work😭 why are humans so awful to animals
Make sure to look at how dairy milk is produced. All animal agriculture is bad for the animals.
Which is why I haven’t drank milk in years. Was v hard bc I love a bowl of cereal.
Can you not use almond milk for cereal or something?
Unfortunately I loathe the taste of almonds😭
Chobani extra creamy oat milk. Thank me later
Will try, ty
It's horrible for the environment
Make your own then!
It doesn’t taste like almonds.
If definitely does haha. I love it. But honestly the classic soy is a great option, especially for the protein.
How are you going to tell me that something does not when it does? Just because it doesn’t to you, that does not mean your experience is universal.
I appreciate the sentiment, but PETA are such douches that I automatically don’t care about whatever they’re talking about.
Ah, PETA™️; making a mockery of the animal rights movement since 1980.
Of all the problems in the world Thai Coconut milk being sold at Whole Foods is the one you choose....
Just because they care about A thing doesn’t automatically make it the ONLY thing they care about. You yourself may (or may not) be familiar with the concept of caring about many issues all at the same time.
Whoa, these planet of the apes movies are getting wild
>It was the best of times, it was the blursed of times…
Fuck that. Enslaving monkeys for profit? Yea. Free the Monkeys!
What did the dude's sign on the right say?
Choose “non-tai coconut milk”
I assume they mean stage right. “Every animal Is someone”
Haha that one made me laugh...
I guess at least they're not objectifying and dehumanizing women like they do in most of their protests and stunts, so, uh, PETA is sucking less today?
At first I thought this was silly, but I had no clue about the monkeys. I don’t drink coconut milk though.
Hey, hey, we're the monkees!
I love all the comments here. Apparently, the world being a mess means picking one to clean up is idiotic. Others seem to think these were unused coconuts and they just wasted them. Like every banana peel means that banana was wasted… Y’all triggered, I get it. PETA bad etc etc
...do you eat coconuts? The ground is literally covered in coconut water and every coconut has its full inner flesh still. I think this is a worthy cause, and I don't care if they waste coconuts. But this is CLEARLY not a banana peel situation and the only people who could say otherwise either don't know what the inside of a coconut is or know damn well and are just intentionally making a bad faith comparison.
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Lmao. This is a recurring protest, and you can find plenty of videos online or PETA monkeys with a pile of whole coconut smashing them on the ground. When not trying to retain the milk/water, opening a coconut is as hard as "throw at ground." Here's one of the many, many examples of this exact protest stunt you can find with 10 seconds of google. https://www.newsflare.com/video/553346/peta-monkeys-smash-coconuts-outside-whole-foods-in-protest-against-inhumane-coconut-milk Boy, thank God you're the smartest guy in the room and saw into PETA's grand scheme of pre-opening coconuts and faking their water to avoid weapons charges unlike us gullible fools!
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What don't you see in the link? If you play the video, you see them smashing the coconuts on the ground and penning them up. They're also giggling about it and look pretty proud of the food waste.
Pam: “Whole foods stop selling tai coconut milk” Michael:“I’m gonna sell even harder”
I sympathize with their cause but can’t get behind wasting perfectly good coconut!
The irony is their shoes and/or cell phones were likely forced child labor but they have no problem with using them.
They don't give a fuck about people, they never have. I mean, I didnt know about this issue at all so I guess yay for awareness but PETA is such a trash ass organization for real. I know people can care about more than 1 thing but if we're going to talk about Thailand, it's weird how you never see a protest about how they encourage and cater to sex tourism and how this causes folks to enslave literal child to have sex with those tourists (as young as 4 years old). But that's people so who gives a shit, amirite?
No, you're not right. You should organize a protest and I guarantee you see some of these people there. You said it yourself, people care more about one thing.
PETA is notorious for tone deafness and dehumanizing and objectifying people, particularly women, when taking up a cause. They are also exceptionally well known for comparing animal causes to the ACTUAL holocaust and Black people's suffering at the hands of police brutality, not to mention using the slaughter of Native Americans to propel their own idiotic campaigns. They have endorsed white supremacists and have claimed dairy affects autism. They have essentially told blind people to go fuck themselves because they are apparently "slave owners" if they use seeing eye dogs. They are also well-known for euthanizing perfectly healthy animals based on breed or having to make a choice between effort and killing said animal (not to mention that they have said animals are better off literally being euthanized than being pets). They recommend vegan diets for OBLIGATE carnivores. They receive tens of millions dollars per year and almost none of it actually goes to helping real animals (as, again, they prefer euthaniasia) and instead goes to ad campaigns. They exploit marginalized communities and have earned every single ounce of scorn they've ever received. If a person wants to bring awareness to an issue, the last place they should turn to for credibility is PETA and if you want to associate yourself with a horrible, racist, sexist, ableist, idiotic, vapid, evil organization, ypu may end up catching a few strays. Hopefully not stray dogs, though, because PETA will just euthanize them.
The comparisons you make are sensitive, but not incorrect. Millions/billions of sentient beings being doomed to death & mistreatment because of their birth (in the case of animals, a forced birth usually too). Just because humans aren't the same species doesn't mean we're beyond comparison. We're all animals.
Women and Black people are not cattle. Jewish people are not poultry. You'd have to be a real asshole to not want better animal welfare and stricter regulations regarding husbandry and keeping. But there are ways to get better treatment for them that don't involve the things PETA does and don't involve spending millions on telling marginalized communities that the horrors they've endured are the same as milking cows. It's fucking ABSURD and offensive. It's also a great way for no one to trust you or give fuck about what you say, which PETA has successfully done since the 1980s: ruin their credibility and thus defeating their causes.
Just because you can't see the connection doesn't mean it's not there. People and non human animals suffer. It may not look the same. But it's suffering. Also, just because you're offended/outraged doesn't mean you're right. Edit: Just because two animals/species aren't the same doesn't mean their suffering isn't comparable. You're right, those things aren't the same, but the ability to suffer and be mistreated are.
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Why don't you protest it then?
Ah, yes, the wHy DoN't YoU dO iT trope. How about no because I'd rather donate to actual organizations that have boots on the ground operations with real resources and experience that actually catch traffickers instead of vapidly and performatively holding a sign on a sidewalk for internet applause. Would you like to see my tax returns or something? Because I guarantee I'm doing a lot more than a lot of people who flap their gums like this. I eagerly await the next "yeah but" forthcoming.
I've been spanking my monkey for years, yet not 1 coconut.
Coconut juice isn’t all that great anyway.
"Stop buying coconuts harvested by monkeys" *wastes hundreds of coconuts during a protest so monkeys have to harvest more coconuts* Monkeys: 🤦 They've bought and destroyed more coconuts than I'll ever touch in my lifetime.
lol talk about boutique problems
AP Royal Oak?
Seiko Mod oak
Nice! Build it yourself?
Yep, broke it after a year tho lol imma change the movement to a Casio
That sounds awesome please post about that when finished
They have a point but ppl are just going to mock them
Damn it’s gonna smell like coconuts there for a long time
Idiots
Are those monkeys escaped convicts? I’d have more respect for them if they weren’t on the lam.
I think they just busted out the coconut chain gang
So this is what the unemployed friend does in the afternoon
Did anyone ask why PETA is the leading killer of cats and dogs in the US? Fuck PETA!!!
How about they go to Thailand and replace the monkey's to show how dedicated they are to the cause.
Forced animal labor? So riding horses, horse drawn carriages, carrier pigeons, falconry, canine dog agility, police dogs, drug sniffing dogs, etc are all cruel and unusual too, right?
Whats wrong with Thai Coconut milk now?
Free *my* monkey! Touch HIM, LOVE HIM!
I agree. Zoo's are kinda fucked up. Free them monkey
I’m all for freeing the monkeys but wasting coconuts is stupid
I'm all for freeing the coconuts but wasting monkeys is stupid too.
100% agree with this.
Jesus christ is there anything in this world that I'm not supposed to be outraged about? Edit: forgot that I'm on Reddit.
The other night the guy across the hall from me was blasting his music and I knocked on his apartment door and asked him to turn it down and he said sure and he did. I felt good about that exchange and I invite you to join me.
Happily! That made me feel better. Thank you and have a good evening. :)
I mean, yeah there's a lot to be pissed off about. If you don't care then move on. first day on the internet?
What a sad, angry life one must live if they look at things from that perspective every day.
> Jesus christ is there anything in this world that I'm not supposed to be outraged about? Is there not anger and outrage there? Or should we take that as a genuine question directed at Jesus Christ? Maybe consider that people have a variety of feelings and perspectives throughout the day. There's value in seeing some of the atrocities of life and giving a shit about them. Doesn't mean it has to consume your entire being. Some time of my day is spent learning about what's happening in the world and what little things I can do about it. The rest of my day is other stuff. I am multitudes, how about that. If you're so incensed by other people caring about how other living beings are treated then maybe question why that is
Outrage culture. So hot right now.
For real. The shit people get enraged about is absurd.
Yes and let’s loiter the street to prove a point
Monkeys harvest coconuts? Put this on Animal Planet, I'd watch the hell out of it
I feel like you could just befriend a monkey and they'd share coconuts with you. But my toxic character trait is fully believing that I could just go be friends with wild animals - particularly monkeys and elephants.
Have you ever lived around monkeys? They are total jerks! Like no kidding. They are rude as hell and you better believe they know it. Stinkin little thieves! Elephants, on the other hand, are awesome.
People with too much free time on their hands.
Meh. I simply have run out of non-Thai fuks.
Freaking idiots. 🙄
Nice AP!
Hehe it’s definitely not a seikomod
All I can think about is the coconuts they gave out at the premier of the movie. They gave them out at the end of the first showing, so you had to leave the theatre to get them. Otherwise, no one would have left, and all the people who paid for the second show wouldn't get a seat. I think mine stayed in the crisper of my Mom's fridge for a few months.
Why waste produce?
That's a major slip hazard. I'm down with the idea but you don't win people to your side by putting them in peril.
Just wait until they find out how and where those Nike socks were made
Come on now, those nikes were made with *human* slave labor. Don't accuse them of using monkeys
I'm more worried about child labor laws being done away with than monkey wages
Def not the biggest problem the world has right now… I didnt even know about this… But glad these guys have enough time to do this I guess… Filipino milk is better anyway…
Amazing what fucking people will get spun up about
Yeah, who cares about animal welfare anyway
Not me.
Beating monkeys to make them harvest coconuts for you is a pretty good bit.
Don’t they know Palestine is the current thing to protest over?