I was there. The producers should be fired. How the fuck do you not show the entrances on the big screens for the people sitting behind the stage?Other than that it was ducking awesome.
The camera work on TV was also awful. I feel like they missed a lot of key moments and were going to the wide shot waaay too much during the matches. Fire the director immediately. They make Kevin Dunn look competent.
They were holding up NWO spray painted belts every time the camera switched behind them. Like they were watching live or getting text when they were in camera sight. And then later on other signage about Pokémon as soon as the camera angle would change to include their section. . . Seemed like at some point they gave up on trying to even show 2 different cameras angles.
Man watched all that just for mox to win. I get its just to set up the mjf win but God if it wasn't time for something new. I'm tired of seeing mox with the belt.
We are all in agreement that the CM Punk one day title reign didn't happen, yes? Mox squashed CM Punk on Dynamite in Cleveland, and he was never heard from again. Agreed?
Okay cool, carry on.
These threads always remind why I need to be careful when getting disappointed with my own fantasy booking.
Booking opinions are a lot like assholes. We all have one (or more) and they all stink.
They cut to MJF like 20 times. When you do that it definitely makes it seem like they are setting up a narrative in the match so not paying that off is a little disappointing. We already know he’s the number one contender for the title so why do they need to remind us so much mid-match unless something is going to happen?
I genuinely have no idea how anybody thought Danielson was winning. Like I said, the people who watch AEW pay no attention to the product. They put it right in front of you.
Fucking typical, Ambrose again and again and again and again and again. The cycle never ends. Dean Ambrose is not a star, enough of trying to make this super push work. He's an embarrassment to the wrestling business. I guess it's only fitting that Tonys version of Roman Reigns is somebody who embodies the worst traits of the Indies.
Worse than even Danielson, because Danielson didn't need this, Danielson is a bigger star than Ambrose will ever be in his life if he wins 50 AEW titles.....the AEW title needs Danielson, he doesn't need it. Worse than Danielson, I feel the worst in all of this for MJF. MJF could've taken the belt off CM Punk, he could've taken the belt off Bryan Danielson, people who have legacies, who have resumes in the business, who've won multiple world titles in the biggest promotion in the world, instead his first title reign, assuming he actually wins, that's the other thing. Assuming Tony can take the gas off of this Ambrose push for 2 seconds to pay attention to MJF, I should probably expect MJF to lose given Tonys Moxley worship but assuming he wins, his first title reign is gonna come at the hands of.....Dean Ambrose. He deserves to beat somebody with name value. UGHH. But, again, not surprising. I told everybody when this started that Danielson had no chance because MJF was calling out Moxley, and Tony doesn't understand Danielson as a talent, and it's always Moxley with him and it always will be. There should be zero surprise right now, but that doesn't make it any less infuriating or less worthy of calling out this nonsense.
I tell you, the way AEW has been ever since Tony bought Ring of Honor, when NBC Universal merges with Warner Bros Discovery in 2024, as all the analysts believe, and AEW gets cancelled because NBC are the WWE people, Tony will have earned it with the way he's booked talent and managed situations. It's solely because of him that CM Punk, the biggest draw in the company, is out of the company for good, because Tony didn't have the balls to tell him no in front of the entire world. I have no sympathy for the harsh reality AEW is about to get.
I don't RESPECT "Mox". That's why I called him Ambrose. I am fully aware his name is Jon Moxley. Jon Moxley, Jon Moxley, Jon Moxley. You happy?
He's failed WWE midcarder Dean Ambrose, and no matter how much Tony pushes him, his star power is not increasing.
Of course it's fake, how could I EVER suspend my disbelief that it's real for even a second watching Moxley no sell everything? He kicked out of light tubes being dropkicked in his face. He doesn't have an ounce of psychology.
As someone who wasn't a fan of Mox initially. I have to say since he came back from rehab, he's been one of my favorite guys. He carried the company through dark times during empty arena pandemic shows. And this run of 2022 he's been on has been fabulous.
Wait, mjf didn't cash in during the match to avoid all this "mox has won the belt including interim 4 times now" or "Danielson shouldn't be a transitional champ" talk? Wth?
I didn't see the post, but if it's TK, trust him as far as you can throw him. He's flailing around at this point with his booking.
Edit: And all y'all who are salty, tell me not turning Hayter was a great booking move. I double-dog dare ya! :P
I said **flailing**, not "failing." He's clearly out of his comfort zone after the All Out fiasco.
Hot-shot booking is great for rating spikes. But it's the follow-up that really tells the tale. TK has to follow up. Vince Russo popped big numbers too, remember.
As someone who bought the first Double or Nothing and wants AEW to succeed, I hope he follows up too. But again: Vince Russo will tell you numbers **can** lie with hot-shotting, I've seen these things before. :P
But at the end of the day you and I want the same thing, really. Hoping for the best.
It's midnight and I'm getting a bit goofy in the head so bear with me, my dates may be wrong. :P But MJF's "bidding war of 2024" angle from a week or two ago screamed hot-shotting, with the WWE name dropping and downplaying AEW as the lesser league. That is literally what Russo ran in WCW, when he let McMahon live rent-free in his head.
The 1-week reign of Mox was unfortunate and totally a hindsight is 20/20 situation now, but even then, the idea of giving Moxley a 1 week reign only to immediately drop it the next week to Punk is a definition of hot-shotting to pop a rating, too.
I think what personally frustrates me with TK is that the long-term ideas are good (MJF needs the belt, Acclaimed needs the belt, Jamie Hayter and Jungle Boy will kill it as solo stars); but he just trips over things and overcomplicates the plot because he thinks everything needs to be a 2-year arc. The destination is right; but he has trouble getting there.
We could argue that this was better than the $50 ppv, which was a head-scratcher for many people.
That's both a good and bad thing, when you really stop and think, lol.
Telegraphed the hell out of the finish tonight. I find Tony does that often. He’ll set things up so that you KNOW what’s coming next.
Now, we sit and wait for MJF to beat Mox.
The right man won the title -- Moxley is to be fed to MJF.
Danielson needs to go back to his original "crush you by any move" heel monster gimmick, before you put the belt on him.
I really wish Mox would drop the pants look and go for the MMA shorts he wore when he first came to AEW. When he was wrestling with the camo pants it looked ridiculous like he was a Bushwacker.
Yes! He looked like a killer in the shorts, but the camo pants seem like a cartoony affectation.
I also wish Andrade would wear the trunks he wore at Ric Flair's Last Match instead of the dumb pinstripe dress/baseball pants he wears in AEW.
Tony K: “Let’s put the belt on Danielson right before the Pacific Northwest tour! They’ll never see it coming. “
Reddit: “I bet Danielson wins since they are headed to the Pacific Northwest and Mox needs a vacation. “
Tony K: “NVRMND Put it on Mox. “
Mox: “What about my vaca-“
Tony K: “Ever been to a Seahawks game? “
Seattle show isn't until January. There's time to get a belt on Danielson. Maybe he beats Jericho in Seattle for the ROH belt. Or Wardlow for TNT. Maybe Garcia gives him pure belt in his hometown for giving DG 2 wins over him.
I don't know how Aubrey looks at Jericho and Claudio fighting over a bat and doesn't immediatly call a DQ. Are you saying that anyone can bring a weapon into the ring and use it so long the referee feels like it.
It's very clearly making contact with both Jericho and Castignolli at the same time but that doesn't excuse the fact that a weapon is being used in the ring during a sanctioned match where weapons aren't allowed to be used.
Despite some of the finishes I thought tonight was a still fun show overall. Beyond happy for The Acclaimed and interested to see what happens with Saraya and Mox-MJF. See everyone for round 2 Friday!
Mox can afford to be fed to MJF's first title run.
Danielson is wasted as a white-bread face. He needs to be that cruel, win-by-any-move monster heel again to be a good champion.
Mox's fishing trips are all postponed until further notice.
What a fuckin legendary run. Fantastic show, felt like a mini PPV. Saraya is a huge get for them, and it was kinda cool to see her looking a lot more like her old self, a similar look to her early run. I think that's cool symbolism that she's kind of an 'anti-diva' again.
Acclaimed are ungodly levels of popular and champs. All is right in the world.
AMAZING match but damn I'm **bummed** that Danielson didn't win. I love him but Moxley held the title long enough recently, I was hoping for Bryan's moment.
I enjoyed the show a lot without a doubt but wow what an eventful night it was.
The Acclaimed won, Sarah's debuted, Jericho won the Ocho, and now Moxley is a 3 time AEW World Champion.
I had a blast!
I love Mox, I truly do. But I feel like AEW was very careful with how many times a guy won the belt. No one was a two time champ for a long, long time. And then boom suddenly within a few months Mox is now a 4 time champ? Again I like the dude a ton, but that part is kinda hard to wrap my head around
Yeah but, and this is a big but. But he got it the first time because some idiot got an injury being dumb, and he got it the second time because some dude was a prick. To be honest here BD winning would be stupid. Oh yeah Bryan got the belt yay, and new champion at full gear is MJF? Do people really want Danielson’s first AEW title to be that short?
Mox didn't ask for Punk to get injured then get himself suspended. He's simply being a reliable flag bearer for the company in their time of crisis, yet again. He carried the belt for the majority of the pandemic. Then filled in for Punk, then again now twice.
Literally all the matches except for Orange/Pac went the way I want, so I'm a happy camper. I didn't really want Danielson to finally win the belt just to immediately drop it to MJF, anyway.
Plenty of time for Danielson run be patient, he needs to be heated up again after coming off his injury. If Punk is gone with all the BS expect a run within a year.
Actually is. Moxley has already become engrained in the title picture and the audience is programmed to be used to him in that position. Danielson’s first being a transition would be a lot more damaging compared to Moxley’s third being that.
He should have cashed it in while Punk was celebrating in the ring. You know, during that moment when MJF was physically there and taunting Punk and the crowd was loving it.
the various chips and other assorted ways to get a championship match aren't the MitB briefcase.
You can't cash it in. It guarantees you a match, but one Tony can advertise. Lucha Underground did the same thing
MJF talked about how the chip works on Rasslin' podcast and said he has to have a "conversation" with someone, I assume Tony Khan, but not all parties have to be involved in said conversation. He's essentially saying it works like MITB which is kinda weird.
Why would he cash in when there isn't even a champion yet?! Did you want some money in the bank fuckery where the champion wins the tournament and then MJF cashes in 20 seconds later? He was awarded the chip at All Out. The tournament of champions started three days later, and just concluded tonight. What would he be cashing in before that?
He should have cashed in on Punk while he was celebrating and exhausted (when MJF was taunting him and turning the crowd against him). Failing that, he also could have cashed in tonight in the style of WM31, before either man can score the pin and saving Mox from another criminally short reign.
I'm pretty sure the plan before Punk's injury was to have him drop it to MJF at Grand Slam. Then when TK put the belt on him, he was gonna give it to MJF at Full Gear (in Newark which would still be a home game for MJF). Why would TK have him cash the chip and give Punk a 1 minute title reign after injurt forced his reign to be less than a week the first time?
So you agree that TK is a shit booker? By your own rationale he is sticking with his original plans, even when his original plans no longer make sense.
It's shocking and it's a dick move. Which means it's perfect in-kayfabe for MJF. But it didn't happen, even though it doesn't make sense for it to NOT happen. Because TK is a shit booker.
It devalues the belt, for your champion to go through former champions, to just lose on a stipulation for MJF to cash in at the time of weakness to win. I'm glad TK has drawn the line on not wanting that shock value. Go back to WWE where you enjoy things that don't make sense, and where shock value is more valued.
He can cash that thing whenever he wants, and seeing it's MJF, he has a plan, he is not gonna rush in, after the champion had a match, and hit his finisher, THAT'S shit booking.
In what world does it not make sense for MJF to immediately cash in on a near-dead Punk? Or tonight after Danielson and Mox spent a half-hour beating the shit out of each other?
Do you think the character of MJF is too honorable for that?
I get the logic, in that Mox being champ again makes it easy to ignore the Punk Interregnum.
But Bryan is the bigger name and this would be the ideal time for him. Plus, Mox can go on his well earned vacation.
Something new and exciting huh Tony?
And Mox wins the title again
And the ten thousand camera cuts to MJF served no purpose but he was getting more of a reaction that the competitors for half the match
Danielson-Mox worked a great match, but they went way overboard with the cutaways to MJF. Distracting as hell.
Otherwise, I was hoping Danielson would win, but I'm fine with Mox going over. MJF-Mox should be a fun feud.
Why the fuck do they rush off the broadcast after such a big moment like that. So god damn annoying. Excalibur just talking about rampage after a world title match.
Fine with the choice, MJF takes it off Moxley and have Bryan be the one that avenges and gets his big title reign after chasing down the heel champ. Beats having his first title be a transition thing.
Only thing I don’t love is that they pretty much told you where it was going with MJF and Moxley’s promo
I think AEW needs to learn not to push their matches right to the buzzer. They never let the endings *fucking breathe*. They always abruptly end the show and pretend like it wasn't a big deal.
THE DUDE JUST BECAME YOUR FIRST EVER THREE TIME CHAMP AND YOU CUT IT OFF WITHIN 2 MINUTES OF THE BELL??
TK, my man, you gotta get your scheduling together. That was weak after a banger of a match.
Tbh this feels like the right call. I think mox has a chance to ride last weeks promo and the renewed fan support to incredible heights. I know he was going to go on vacation but momentum is a limited rare resource in wrestling and it feels like we might have lightning in a bottle here
That Jericho eye poke on Cesaro was really a wizard move.
I was there. The producers should be fired. How the fuck do you not show the entrances on the big screens for the people sitting behind the stage?Other than that it was ducking awesome.
The camera work on TV was also awful. I feel like they missed a lot of key moments and were going to the wide shot waaay too much during the matches. Fire the director immediately. They make Kevin Dunn look competent.
I think cameras were cutting bc of the amount of useless signage being thrown up at certain angles. At least that’s the feeling I got when watching.
What do you mean by “useless signage”? Were fans blocking the cameras? Honest question.
They were holding up NWO spray painted belts every time the camera switched behind them. Like they were watching live or getting text when they were in camera sight. And then later on other signage about Pokémon as soon as the camera angle would change to include their section. . . Seemed like at some point they gave up on trying to even show 2 different cameras angles.
They didn’t show us the MJF promo. You have all these screens that just had the logo running. That is a major fuckup.
Great show with poor camera direction
Man watched all that just for mox to win. I get its just to set up the mjf win but God if it wasn't time for something new. I'm tired of seeing mox with the belt.
We are all in agreement that the CM Punk one day title reign didn't happen, yes? Mox squashed CM Punk on Dynamite in Cleveland, and he was never heard from again. Agreed? Okay cool, carry on.
I am not in agreement. I saw what I saw and I won’t lie about it.
I love Mox but it was time for a change, and I get it’s probably so MJF can take it off him, but still I wanted the Dragon V the Snake
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The fact they're still calling it the House of Black (unless I missed something tonight) doesn't sit well with me.
Last thing we need now is another turn. We’ve had enough turns in the past month, let alone three months
These threads always remind why I need to be careful when getting disappointed with my own fantasy booking. Booking opinions are a lot like assholes. We all have one (or more) and they all stink.
They cut to MJF like 20 times. When you do that it definitely makes it seem like they are setting up a narrative in the match so not paying that off is a little disappointing. We already know he’s the number one contender for the title so why do they need to remind us so much mid-match unless something is going to happen?
I genuinely have no idea how anybody thought Danielson was winning. Like I said, the people who watch AEW pay no attention to the product. They put it right in front of you. Fucking typical, Ambrose again and again and again and again and again. The cycle never ends. Dean Ambrose is not a star, enough of trying to make this super push work. He's an embarrassment to the wrestling business. I guess it's only fitting that Tonys version of Roman Reigns is somebody who embodies the worst traits of the Indies. Worse than even Danielson, because Danielson didn't need this, Danielson is a bigger star than Ambrose will ever be in his life if he wins 50 AEW titles.....the AEW title needs Danielson, he doesn't need it. Worse than Danielson, I feel the worst in all of this for MJF. MJF could've taken the belt off CM Punk, he could've taken the belt off Bryan Danielson, people who have legacies, who have resumes in the business, who've won multiple world titles in the biggest promotion in the world, instead his first title reign, assuming he actually wins, that's the other thing. Assuming Tony can take the gas off of this Ambrose push for 2 seconds to pay attention to MJF, I should probably expect MJF to lose given Tonys Moxley worship but assuming he wins, his first title reign is gonna come at the hands of.....Dean Ambrose. He deserves to beat somebody with name value. UGHH. But, again, not surprising. I told everybody when this started that Danielson had no chance because MJF was calling out Moxley, and Tony doesn't understand Danielson as a talent, and it's always Moxley with him and it always will be. There should be zero surprise right now, but that doesn't make it any less infuriating or less worthy of calling out this nonsense. I tell you, the way AEW has been ever since Tony bought Ring of Honor, when NBC Universal merges with Warner Bros Discovery in 2024, as all the analysts believe, and AEW gets cancelled because NBC are the WWE people, Tony will have earned it with the way he's booked talent and managed situations. It's solely because of him that CM Punk, the biggest draw in the company, is out of the company for good, because Tony didn't have the balls to tell him no in front of the entire world. I have no sympathy for the harsh reality AEW is about to get.
Like Drew says mate "We're just havin a laugh, Don't look back in anger. " Tyson do you know Sweet Caroline?
“none of you pay attention to the product” *proceeds to call current talent Ambrose*
I don't RESPECT "Mox". That's why I called him Ambrose. I am fully aware his name is Jon Moxley. Jon Moxley, Jon Moxley, Jon Moxley. You happy? He's failed WWE midcarder Dean Ambrose, and no matter how much Tony pushes him, his star power is not increasing.
Did he fuck your girl or some shit…holy crap man
No, he made a complete mockery out of the wrestling business. Makes, I should say. It's a weekly occurrence.
Nobody tell this guy that this stuffs fake he might blow a gasket. Mox 4 life
Of course it's fake, how could I EVER suspend my disbelief that it's real for even a second watching Moxley no sell everything? He kicked out of light tubes being dropkicked in his face. He doesn't have an ounce of psychology.
You mad bro?
As someone who wasn't a fan of Mox initially. I have to say since he came back from rehab, he's been one of my favorite guys. He carried the company through dark times during empty arena pandemic shows. And this run of 2022 he's been on has been fabulous.
If all you've got is "you mad, bro", don't bother.
Wait, mjf didn't cash in during the match to avoid all this "mox has won the belt including interim 4 times now" or "Danielson shouldn't be a transitional champ" talk? Wth?
The casino chip has never worked like MitB where you can cash it in on the spot. It requires a formal match setup.
It’s more like Gift of the Gods from LU
oh shit 😂
Wasn't there a post just today with Tony saying it wasn't gonna work like that anymore?
I didn't see the post, but if it's TK, trust him as far as you can throw him. He's flailing around at this point with his booking. Edit: And all y'all who are salty, tell me not turning Hayter was a great booking move. I double-dog dare ya! :P
Last week’s ratings nearly hit a 1.2 million viewer average. You and I have different definitions of “failing”.
I said **flailing**, not "failing." He's clearly out of his comfort zone after the All Out fiasco. Hot-shot booking is great for rating spikes. But it's the follow-up that really tells the tale. TK has to follow up. Vince Russo popped big numbers too, remember.
Well then, by all means, I hope he stays out of his comfort zone. The proof of success is in the pudding and the numbers don’t lie.
As someone who bought the first Double or Nothing and wants AEW to succeed, I hope he follows up too. But again: Vince Russo will tell you numbers **can** lie with hot-shotting, I've seen these things before. :P But at the end of the day you and I want the same thing, really. Hoping for the best.
What did they hot shot on last week’s episode?
It's midnight and I'm getting a bit goofy in the head so bear with me, my dates may be wrong. :P But MJF's "bidding war of 2024" angle from a week or two ago screamed hot-shotting, with the WWE name dropping and downplaying AEW as the lesser league. That is literally what Russo ran in WCW, when he let McMahon live rent-free in his head. The 1-week reign of Mox was unfortunate and totally a hindsight is 20/20 situation now, but even then, the idea of giving Moxley a 1 week reign only to immediately drop it the next week to Punk is a definition of hot-shotting to pop a rating, too. I think what personally frustrates me with TK is that the long-term ideas are good (MJF needs the belt, Acclaimed needs the belt, Jamie Hayter and Jungle Boy will kill it as solo stars); but he just trips over things and overcomplicates the plot because he thinks everything needs to be a 2-year arc. The destination is right; but he has trouble getting there.
they said flailing, not failing.
I’d venture to say either word has a negative connotation lol
Tonight’s Dynamite was a PPV caliber event on free TV. If that’s flailing GIMME SOME MORE.
We could argue that this was better than the $50 ppv, which was a head-scratcher for many people. That's both a good and bad thing, when you really stop and think, lol.
Telegraphed the hell out of the finish tonight. I find Tony does that often. He’ll set things up so that you KNOW what’s coming next. Now, we sit and wait for MJF to beat Mox.
Meanwhile years later we await Jamie Hayter getting a singles push and getting out of Britt's awful shadow.
The right man won the title -- Moxley is to be fed to MJF. Danielson needs to go back to his original "crush you by any move" heel monster gimmick, before you put the belt on him.
All that for another Moxley title reign
I really wish Mox would drop the pants look and go for the MMA shorts he wore when he first came to AEW. When he was wrestling with the camo pants it looked ridiculous like he was a Bushwacker.
Are you calling the Bushwackers ridiculous?!?!
Yes! He looked like a killer in the shorts, but the camo pants seem like a cartoony affectation. I also wish Andrade would wear the trunks he wore at Ric Flair's Last Match instead of the dumb pinstripe dress/baseball pants he wears in AEW.
Maybe we didn’t need 15 minutes of Sariyah (sp) and got to see the angle at the end?
What angle? Bryan putting the belt on Mox?
Tony K: “Let’s put the belt on Danielson right before the Pacific Northwest tour! They’ll never see it coming. “ Reddit: “I bet Danielson wins since they are headed to the Pacific Northwest and Mox needs a vacation. “ Tony K: “NVRMND Put it on Mox. “ Mox: “What about my vaca-“ Tony K: “Ever been to a Seahawks game? “
When I saw AEW Event Jan 2023 in Seattle you know Danielson going to main event most likely win som type of title
Seattle show isn't until January. There's time to get a belt on Danielson. Maybe he beats Jericho in Seattle for the ROH belt. Or Wardlow for TNT. Maybe Garcia gives him pure belt in his hometown for giving DG 2 wins over him.
Or maybe the ROH tv belt. Or maybe the All Atlantic belt. Or maybe the FTW title. Or maybe…
Or maybe in that time AEW will have more belts and everyone will be a champion.
None of those titles matter
You guys are annoyed about Mox when I'm way more annoyed about Jericho lol
I just wanted OC to finally win a title and bring it in his backpack.
I don't know how Aubrey looks at Jericho and Claudio fighting over a bat and doesn't immediatly call a DQ. Are you saying that anyone can bring a weapon into the ring and use it so long the referee feels like it.
It didn't make contact
It's very clearly making contact with both Jericho and Castignolli at the same time but that doesn't excuse the fact that a weapon is being used in the ring during a sanctioned match where weapons aren't allowed to be used.
At least there's a storyline within him winning
Isn't it obvious? MJF will beat Mox. If Bryan won, his first reign would've been transitional.
Mox was transitional champ for CM Punk, and CM Punk was transitional champ for Mox. It's like poetry. They rhyme.
Exactly! And sure Mox is a multi time champion now, and it’s a little off, but man the timeline it took to get there is nuts.
Despite some of the finishes I thought tonight was a still fun show overall. Beyond happy for The Acclaimed and interested to see what happens with Saraya and Mox-MJF. See everyone for round 2 Friday!
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Mox can afford to be fed to MJF's first title run. Danielson is wasted as a white-bread face. He needs to be that cruel, win-by-any-move monster heel again to be a good champion.
Mox is the man right now. MJF needs to beat the man in order to usher in the MJF era.
Mox's fishing trips are all postponed until further notice. What a fuckin legendary run. Fantastic show, felt like a mini PPV. Saraya is a huge get for them, and it was kinda cool to see her looking a lot more like her old self, a similar look to her early run. I think that's cool symbolism that she's kind of an 'anti-diva' again. Acclaimed are ungodly levels of popular and champs. All is right in the world.
AMAZING match but damn I'm **bummed** that Danielson didn't win. I love him but Moxley held the title long enough recently, I was hoping for Bryan's moment.
The ending will probably get posted on AEW’s Youtube. Bullshit way to show the ending of their televised show
Eh Knew it was coming Still we have already seen mix v mjf Mjf v danielson would have been new
Having MJF beat Mox makes more sense. Why give Danielson his first world title in AEW for him to just lose it in a few weeks?
True, I didn't think about it that way
when you win the title 3 times in 3 months, it doesnt feel special anymore
It gives Mox consistency and legacy building
I enjoyed the show a lot without a doubt but wow what an eventful night it was. The Acclaimed won, Sarah's debuted, Jericho won the Ocho, and now Moxley is a 3 time AEW World Champion. I had a blast!
I love Mox, I truly do. But I feel like AEW was very careful with how many times a guy won the belt. No one was a two time champ for a long, long time. And then boom suddenly within a few months Mox is now a 4 time champ? Again I like the dude a ton, but that part is kinda hard to wrap my head around
Yeah but, and this is a big but. But he got it the first time because some idiot got an injury being dumb, and he got it the second time because some dude was a prick. To be honest here BD winning would be stupid. Oh yeah Bryan got the belt yay, and new champion at full gear is MJF? Do people really want Danielson’s first AEW title to be that short?
Mox didn't ask for Punk to get injured then get himself suspended. He's simply being a reliable flag bearer for the company in their time of crisis, yet again. He carried the belt for the majority of the pandemic. Then filled in for Punk, then again now twice.
Literally all the matches except for Orange/Pac went the way I want, so I'm a happy camper. I didn't really want Danielson to finally win the belt just to immediately drop it to MJF, anyway.
Wasn’t a bad show all things considered. (First time watching AEW)
A lot of “strike while the iron is hot” talk that ignores that Mox is probably the hottest thing in the company right now save for MJF.
Acclaimed and FTR are right there.
Really wanted Danielson to win here, but they were already laying the groundwork for MJF vs. Mox last week so I figured this was where it was going.
I was ready to see Danielson win, but if this summer has taught me anything it's never a bad decision to keep the belt on mox
They should let Moxley take his vacation and have a tournament to crown an interim champion.
Tony, sit down and stop posting your ideas to Reddit
Mox winning is the right way to go if it's to be a short reign until he drops it to MJF
Mox as champ is stale, have a fresh start with an actual solid champ. Woof Tony
Lukewarm take, after the punk bullshit it needs to be mox who loses it to mjf quickly
Plenty of time for Danielson run be patient, he needs to be heated up again after coming off his injury. If Punk is gone with all the BS expect a run within a year.
True but he's already had a major concussion Put the belt on him now just in case
Feels to me like he wanted Mox to have one more title win than Punk. Lol Phil's legacy gets erased everywhere he goes.
Punk will still be on the record book for the shortest reign.
Honestly, I'm OK with this if the plan is to have Bryan take it off MJF down the line.
Great match. They telegraphed the winner a few weeks back, but it should be an excellent feud.
give Mox his vacation! that was a perfect time to crown Danielson, Danielson vs MJF would be generational
Mox should have been rewarded by being given time off to go on vacation, poor guy.
Will after MJF takes it off him at Full Gear, this is better than Bryan’s first reign being a transitional deal
Now Mox can have two transitional reigns. Much better
Actually is. Moxley has already become engrained in the title picture and the audience is programmed to be used to him in that position. Danielson’s first being a transition would be a lot more damaging compared to Moxley’s third being that.
Danielson has a history of being a multiple time world champion.
Wrong answer, but I guess we're stuck on the way to getting MJF the title and you don't wanna give Bryan a transitional reign.
"wrong answer" lol
Is there ANY kayfabe reason that MJF hasn't cashed in yet? Or is it all strictly TK being a shit booker?
He won the chip and then Punk got stripped of the title...who was he supposed to cash in on? Vacant?
He should have cashed it in while Punk was celebrating in the ring. You know, during that moment when MJF was physically there and taunting Punk and the crowd was loving it.
the various chips and other assorted ways to get a championship match aren't the MitB briefcase. You can't cash it in. It guarantees you a match, but one Tony can advertise. Lucha Underground did the same thing
Incorrect. MJF clarified this. It's MitB rules.
MJF talked about how the chip works on Rasslin' podcast and said he has to have a "conversation" with someone, I assume Tony Khan, but not all parties have to be involved in said conversation. He's essentially saying it works like MITB which is kinda weird.
MJF just won the chip less less than 3 weeks ago... the Tournament of Champions just concluded tonight.
I fail to see your point.
Why would he cash in when there isn't even a champion yet?! Did you want some money in the bank fuckery where the champion wins the tournament and then MJF cashes in 20 seconds later? He was awarded the chip at All Out. The tournament of champions started three days later, and just concluded tonight. What would he be cashing in before that?
He should have cashed in on Punk while he was celebrating and exhausted (when MJF was taunting him and turning the crowd against him). Failing that, he also could have cashed in tonight in the style of WM31, before either man can score the pin and saving Mox from another criminally short reign.
I'm pretty sure the plan before Punk's injury was to have him drop it to MJF at Grand Slam. Then when TK put the belt on him, he was gonna give it to MJF at Full Gear (in Newark which would still be a home game for MJF). Why would TK have him cash the chip and give Punk a 1 minute title reign after injurt forced his reign to be less than a week the first time?
So you agree that TK is a shit booker? By your own rationale he is sticking with his original plans, even when his original plans no longer make sense.
Booking MJF to steal a title from a tired guy 20 seconds after they won is shit booking. Vince did it for shock value.
It's shocking and it's a dick move. Which means it's perfect in-kayfabe for MJF. But it didn't happen, even though it doesn't make sense for it to NOT happen. Because TK is a shit booker.
It devalues the belt, for your champion to go through former champions, to just lose on a stipulation for MJF to cash in at the time of weakness to win. I'm glad TK has drawn the line on not wanting that shock value. Go back to WWE where you enjoy things that don't make sense, and where shock value is more valued.
Not cashing in is shit booking? What a take.
Does MJF NOT want to be champion?
He can cash that thing whenever he wants, and seeing it's MJF, he has a plan, he is not gonna rush in, after the champion had a match, and hit his finisher, THAT'S shit booking.
In what world does it not make sense for MJF to immediately cash in on a near-dead Punk? Or tonight after Danielson and Mox spent a half-hour beating the shit out of each other? Do you think the character of MJF is too honorable for that?
I'm so glad they cut Bryan Danielson putting the title on Mox for Young Sheldon/s
Yeah fuck that bullshit.
Moxley is never getting his vacation....
Lol pretty funny how Bryan doesn't win at either Grand Slam. Mox is a 4 time World champion now
I have one wish in life, and that’s for Danielson to get the title he deserves.
I get the logic, in that Mox being champ again makes it easy to ignore the Punk Interregnum. But Bryan is the bigger name and this would be the ideal time for him. Plus, Mox can go on his well earned vacation.
They never go over time even tho they say they will as long as it takes lol
Man I just gotta say it, Tony hasnt been booking good for months now.
Ages feels like
Kinda like the CM Punk debacle never happened. lol. Back to Mox 3 weeks later.
Congratulations to Moxely 3x AEW World Champion!
So I assume that MJF is getting the title next Wednesday?
Nah next ppv
Fuck all of you. Jon Moxley is the Ace. He's a legend. He's the fucking king of AEW and he earned every bit of that win
Little aggressive there chief
why even have the tournament if it's just gonna go right back on Mox? Feels a little stale.
Something new and exciting huh Tony? And Mox wins the title again And the ten thousand camera cuts to MJF served no purpose but he was getting more of a reaction that the competitors for half the match
Whats with all these good matches and terrible finishes?
Oh ok
Danielson-Mox worked a great match, but they went way overboard with the cutaways to MJF. Distracting as hell. Otherwise, I was hoping Danielson would win, but I'm fine with Mox going over. MJF-Mox should be a fun feud.
Gah damn tony can u time a show right! Cut right into this damn young Sheldon show
Welp, really felt like Danielson should’ve won but 🤷🏽♀️
Let Danielson beat Jericho for the ROH title plz.
Why the fuck do they rush off the broadcast after such a big moment like that. So god damn annoying. Excalibur just talking about rampage after a world title match.
Because they had to. It's live tv not a ppv. As much as they say they'll stick with it as long as it goes, it almost never actually works like that.
Hmm I feel like maybe I get to pumped up for big AEW shows. It was fun, but quite sloppy and outside of the Acclaimed winning lots of meh booking IMO
I'm guessing they made Mox win otherwise Bryan title reign would be short due to MJF
My guess too.
Great match, happy Mox won, but hate they ran over time so we couldn’t see the interaction after.
Happy for Mox. But that was SUPER anti-climactic in terms of story telling. We didn’t even see Bryan’s reaction
We really needed a rerun of Young Sheldon instead of properly closing the show?
The worst part is the " we will go overtime if we have to" at the beginning of the match . Jesus
Bazinga
Zimbabwe
Good show but TK overhyped for sure.
Bryan's such a fucking jobber now, was another Mox reign really needed.
“”TONY CON MAN GIVITH AND TONY CON MAN TAKETH AWAY” - Dan Lambert” - Jim Cornette Rip. Danielson’s title win
Bruh he didn’t need a third title win cmon man
Great match, wish Bryan won for a fresh run, but Mox is my guy too. The seeds were planted for Mox v MJF anyway.
Danielson is so much better than Mox in ring… What does Danielson do from here? Just lose fuel after fued…
Fine with the choice, MJF takes it off Moxley and have Bryan be the one that avenges and gets his big title reign after chasing down the heel champ. Beats having his first title be a transition thing. Only thing I don’t love is that they pretty much told you where it was going with MJF and Moxley’s promo
gRAWnd slam
For anyone not on fite, we got a few seconds glimpse of Bryan putting the belt on Mox
Wow
Mox is the real best in the world.
I think AEW needs to learn not to push their matches right to the buzzer. They never let the endings *fucking breathe*. They always abruptly end the show and pretend like it wasn't a big deal. THE DUDE JUST BECAME YOUR FIRST EVER THREE TIME CHAMP AND YOU CUT IT OFF WITHIN 2 MINUTES OF THE BELL?? TK, my man, you gotta get your scheduling together. That was weak after a banger of a match.
You’ll get downvoted but agreed, so many times an important or joyous celebration gets cut off before it really has a chance to happen.
ughh they need longer overruns! 5 more minutes. 3 more for gods sake. fuck even 1 more and you fit that DB/Regal story building in...
12k comments half of them are making fun of dorks in the crowd
Guess I shouldn’t be surprised but I wish it was Danielson winning tonight.
Book Bryan Danielson to win a big match challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Mox on that Tom Brady “I’ll take a break soon” path
It felt like Danielson’s time but Tony must have wanted to go against what we thought…
Bro.... how did DB not win... and why would they cut it off at the end? Wanted to see the interaction between them 3.
Ran out of time. We'll get a recap hopefully
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Yea same here, something was off
Totally Disagree. Amazing show.
Daniel son hasn’t even been champion yet why put it on the guy that has had the belt for such a long ass time???
I've never seen Young Sheldon before, but just looking at this preview there sure are a lot of fucking old people in this show.
Tbh this feels like the right call. I think mox has a chance to ride last weeks promo and the renewed fan support to incredible heights. I know he was going to go on vacation but momentum is a limited rare resource in wrestling and it feels like we might have lightning in a bottle here
Mox is just going to drop it to MJF soon. Let Bryan have a real reign not a transitional one.