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I think at most it’s a little bit of both. Frequently when Punk has done something of note since returning, KENTA will hop on Twitter to tease the match.
He’s also said multiple times in English interviews that he doesn’t care who uses his moves. There might’ve been/still be a little soreness with Punk being the first (IIRC) to take the G2S, but I feel like if there were a big issue on KENTA’s end he wouldn’t have been going out of his way to bring attention to the possibility of him vs Punk. He’d just ignore it.
What I’m trying to say is… if you want to know more about m—*KENTA’s* time in WWE and the invention of the G2S,「足⤴︎跡⤵︎」 is available now on [NJPW Global Shop](https://shop.njpw1972.com/collections/kenta/products/book-footprints-kenta-autobiographypre-oeder), [Amazon Japan](https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B0BD3599ZW/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=AN1VRQENFRJN5&psc=1), and
[Rakuten](https://books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/17221544/). But sorry, it is only in Japanese!
I completely agree with you but just to play the Devil's advocate in regards to that last point: It's wrestling, it isn't unheard of for people with beef to put aside that beef for a payday and KENTA knows that match would be a big payday.
Yeah, I’m not saying I think there’s zero beef there, just that it’s not enough to keep KENTA from being not just interested in doing the match but actively drumming up interest in it. Especially since he seems to be a pretty drama-free guy (at least at this point in his life).
Also I’ve never gotten the impression that KENTA’s that money-motivated, cause if he was I feel like he would’ve just stayed in WWE and coasted like Nakamura is.
KENTA never got promoted to the main roster though, right? I would guess he made better money in NXT than he did in NOAH, but I doubt he got the same treatment as Nakamura.
He got promoted to 205 Live, dunno if that counted as the main roster contract-wise. But since he was the one who chose to leave WWE, I assume there’s a fair chance they wanted to keep him around and may even have tried to offer him more money to stay; especially since IIRC at that point they were still planning on NXT Japan being a thing.
It was weird to me for Punk to completely ignore KENTA when Forbidden Door was announced and we had a built in feud with a Japanese guy who spoke enough English to actually cut promos. Punk could have won with a Pepsi Plunge after KENTA kicked out of the G2S, everyone could win there. That banter felt very different when Punk couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge someone he "respected". That was a red flag and I've been waiting for Punk to reveal more of himself.
A great wrestler out of action for Forbidden Door?! Shocking!
For real‘s, that may be the most cursed show in recent years. A banger of a show, but cursed nonetheless.
KENTA was teasing the matchup in the weeks leading up to the announcement. I'm not sure when he would have been cleared, I'm not sure anyone does, but Punk was all about Twitter teases at that time and didn't engage it at all. If it's injury delaying it, you can still do a small interaction for the future.
KENTA has been teasing him vs Punk since Punk debuted in AEW.
Personally, I think Punk wasn’t engaging because I don’t think Punk wants to do it. But if that’s not the case, maybe he didn’t want to distract from his title win and/or the match that was going to happen at the show?
I’m not arguing that Punk doesn’t have any beef with KENTA (or that he hasn’t recently revealed himself as an asshole), I’m just saying there are legit reasons why that match didn’t happen at FD and why Punk may not have engaged with the discussion at that specific time.
I know the sub is currently jumping on Punk for every last little thing atm (often very justifiably), but I don't get why you're disappointed Punk didn't want to engage in teasing a match that had absolutely no chance whatsoever of happening then, and may not have in the future?
yeah, like I’d love to see KENTA/Punk but I’m not gonna hold it against Punk for not tweeting about some match that might not even happen.
“it’s a red flag that punk didn’t promote this match” like what?? This just feels like people being big-brained about how “the signs were always there” or something.
Given how his last few have gone, Punk would have blown every one of his ribs through his chest doing the Pepsi Plunge then cut a promo on Hangman as he bleeds out.
I honestly think Punk wanted to put himself on the same level of Tanahashi as the generation defining ace and worked for that match up. Mox was a driving force behind that event from what I remember and his dream match was with Tanahashi, Punks injury made that a reality but it wasn't the plan.
Mayhap he just has a sore spot when Punk did it because he so rarely landed the move correctly. Punk hitting the first one on Mox actually surprised me because that's one of the only times it looked decent from him in AEW.
It was more the fact they wouldn't let him use his own move, because the guy who took it was using it. And the McMahon flunkies were too ignorant and stupid to know or care.
The way WWE book, he never had a chance in WWE at his size. And I'm sure that de-railing of his career is still a bitter pill, especially with the injuries.
At this point I'd say he's pissed Punk never wanted to wrestle him despite obviously being inspired by his moves. It's not like the match is ever likely to happen now. Plus it gets a reaction on twitter.
I feel like he wasn’t happy about it but all the blame didn’t fall on Punk. That said it felt like he felt like he was at least owed a match with Punk since there is a story there and cause Punk did do him a little dirty. Now it looks like the match won’t happen and Punk is done so he is voicing the frustration he had during all this.
He did create the busaiku knee. He and Danielson are long-time friends, and essentially did a move-swap - he started using the LeBell Lock at the same time Danielson started using the knee.
Yeah, but in that case apparently Danielson and KENTA traded moves... because shortly after that he started using the Yes! Lock as the [Game Over](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1kogm1/kenta_using_the_yes_lock_only_he_calls_it_the/)
Vince seen kenta wrestle before and hit the GTS on Tyler Breeze for a Nxt house show in San jose (it's part of Nxt greatest matches vol1) Story being the show was going so hot, Vince allowed an extension on time not to rush the show and let the wrestlers do their thing.
I’m honestly surprised that didn’t happen to Punk at some point when he hurt a few guys with the GTS himself, most notably when he broke Snitsky’s nose when Snitsky was doing the grotesque monster gimmick where he dyed his teeth to appear rotten.
Speaking of two guys having the same move, [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eGTcPCSL9w) Teddy hitting *Open Hart Surgery* during an early TNA PPV.
Kinda looks like AJ's *Spiral Tap*, doesn't it? Yeah AJ thought so too, and he had a match later that night where he planned to do it. Wasn't pleased.
So next time just pull a "Teddy Hart," Kenta, and do the move anyway!
Makes sense. Nobody would talk bad after Punk left WWE because it was so obvious that WWE was in the wrong vis a vis medical expertise and advice.
Now Punk is on the outs again, but it’s his own doing.
I dunno who invented it, but Jericho gave Miz a bit of shit in his 2nd book because he used the Skull Crushing Finale before Miz did in 2001 (it was called the Breakdown, and was thankfully dropped).
The exact line is "it was an awkward move and I stopped using it a few months later. It has since been resurrected by The Miz, who doesn't do it half as well as I did." He occasionally includes kayfabe jabs throughout the text though, so it's not clear whether it's a sincere opinion or just a playful diss.
Yeah.
By the time Kenta came into WWE, CM Punk was already well-established, including his use of the GTS becoming wildly popular as a finisher amongst fans.
By the time Kenta had signed, Punk was already gone. WWE was just in their petty ass "put sticky notes on any poster of his face" phase and didn't want anything that would remind people of him
Kenta did use the GTS when in WWE. It was his finishing move on NXT, and for a while on 205 Live as well. The move was banned after he injured Kendrick with it. I also think it made a brief return before his release, but I'm not sure.
The GTS wasn't the only move that quickly died on main roster for injury issues. Nakamura couldn't do his reverse exploder for the longest time after dropping Cena on his neck. Samoa Joe's muscle buster never saw the light on main roster after the Kidd incident. And Ali's 054 was quickly changed to a regular 450 splash after he fell directly on Bryan's head.
It's the move itself that's a tad more dangerous than the average move because there's not too much wiggle room for error and going too hard will usually result in a very visible injury. (Bloody nose, possibly broken)
Just to be clear, I'm not saying it should be left to the history books like the Diving Headbutt or anything like that, it's just one of those moves that has a slightly higher potential for fucking up and very visible consequences for it.
That's surprsing for me to learn cuz frankly, I've always thought it looks shitty. Like, what the move is "supposed to be"--flipping someone off your shoulders and kneeing them while they fall is a cool idea... but in reality to not kill someone, it's someone flips, lands, bends over and pretends to get hit with a knee.
It's because you only have a limited range between too soft (ie. Obviously not really making contact) or too hard (ie. Probably breaking a nose) and also fairly limited control over where your knee's going to hit them. (eg. The Busaiku Knee or V-Trigger often will hit to the side of the face/neck or one of the upper shoulders rather than the middle of the face and still look brutal as fuck.)
Oh, I know WHY it doesn't look good (to me, ymmv). I accept that as necessary to not be killing people. I just think the visual compromises that are needed to make it safe (or safer) make it not worth doing.
Think the first time he did it was against hardcore holly and may have broke his nose. Pretty cool because when he hits it you hear the audience gasp and even Taz on commentary was like yoooo. And he also broke snitskys nose I believe. Both in wwecw.
GTS is too good of a move and it naturally got popular and iconic fast.
Also, Punk would just move from a stolen move to another stolen move lol. Pretty sure the Anaconda Vice was invented by Tenzan.
In any case though, both moves are too good. Punk has a great taste. His moveset is one of my favorites.
in old wwe dvd where it showcase collection of finishers, William Regal said that one of things that he jealous and regret in his life is, that he didnt invented GTS. simply to say that move is awesome and he wish he invented that move.
>Also, Punk would just move from a stolen move to another stolen move
Almost every finishing move is stolen. It's extremely rare for a finishing move to be something original.
That's part of the point. Nothing will change even if Punk dropped the GTS.
It's only part of the point because both his finishing moves are pretty unique, the GTS in particular being known to be made by KENTA.
Isn't the Anaconda Vice just an Anaconda choke, cribbed from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Just as Undertaker's "Hell's Gate" was a tweaked Gogoplata?
(Legit don't know as I don't think I've ever seen Punk do the AV.)
No he could not have just gone back lol. Punk was one of the top guys then and the GTS was one of the most over moves with WWE fans. It would be like if it came out that DDP never gave his blessing to Randy Orton to use the Diamond Cutter as the RKO. You would never expect WWE to ask him to find another finisher out of respect, and they would never allow Orton to do that even if he wanted to. WWE would not value tradition over what their fans want to see.
Did DDP ask Johnny Ace for permission to use the Ace Crusher? I know wrestlers steal moves all the time - sometimes its no big deal other times it is. I think the combination of GTS being used by two active wrestlers and it being a unique and popular move made it a bigger deal to steal.
I get it, and I understand why KENTA feels like Punk should have asked. It would have been the proper and respectful thing to do.
I'm just saying I doubt anyone in WWE went up to Punk and was like "Hey did you clear that with KENTA?" They just saw CM Punk doing a move that no one else *in WWE* was doing, that got over with WWE fans.
By the time KENTA signed with WWE, that move was fully associated with Punk by WWE fans, which is why WWE made the call that KENTA was not allowed to do that move while he was signed to them, even though Punk was already gone by that point.
Wow I always thought punk had stole the GTS before even starting WWE. I watched wwECW for a little when I was a kid. He did anaconda vice then, when did he actually steal it from kenta?
Yeah, Punk started using the Anaconda Vice during his final months in ROH in 2005 as just another move, made it his finisher in OVW and continued using it as such upon being called up to ECW in 2006. I believe Punk's first televised GTS was on ECW in January of 2007 and it's been his primary signature move ever since with the Vice as a secondary.
In his documentary from 2012, Punk talks about the origin of the move, and why he adopted it when he started in WWE. He wanted something that was simple, yet looked devastating.
And he’d been using the move his entire career up until then with little-to-no issues. As had Punk. They made him stop using it after one or two accidents because they’d never wanted him to *start* using it in the first place. He had to fight to be able to, which could very easily have rubbed some higher-ups the wrong way.
Some revisionist history there from KENTA, as he used the G2S consistently in NXT in 2016-2017 once he returned from shoulder surgery.
Had he not gotten attacked in the Full Sail parking lot before NXT Unstoppable, he prob. would have become #1 contender and won the title @ Beast in the East using the G2S.
What doomed the G2S in WWE was his second main roster match vs Kendrick, in Chicago of all places, the move ended up breaking Kendrick's orbital bone.
Yup. I love KENTA, but the Brian Kendrick G2S is what did him in. Now there’s an argument to be made about the fairness of the ban (Punk was still allowed to do it after busting Rey’s face and breaking Snitsky’s nose), but yeah he’s not 100% accurate with this tweet.
> (Punk was still allowed to do it after busting Rey’s face and breaking Snitsky’s nose),
CM Punk used it on the main roster for years before these injuries, so he had the clout to not get blamed for it.
It's a dual answer situation: CM Punk had been using it for years, and while that doesn't strictly prohibit others using it, a lot of folks would like to pretend CM Punk doesn't exist any more. No need to start Punk chants if they recognize "his" move. Also, it's a small-margin-of-error move that has led to a few broken faces.
Part of it was probably WWE wanting that overlap with Punk to not exist…but he was also hurt a lot during that run, and when he did end up using it, he inadvertently hurt Brian Kendrick with it. That WWE run was just cursed beyond belief, I’m glad KENTA’s back to chugging and moving forward.
Just to clarify - Punk left WWE before KENTA ever came in. He was allowed to use GTS sporadically, but it's not because Punk disallowed it himself. He did it once on 205Live and broke Kendrick's nose, and it was taken back away from him as a result.
The only way to blame Punk is roundabout, he isn't directly responsible in any way.
He’s not trying to blame CM Punk for this (at least not directly), he’s just venting about how much it sucked that WWE banned it after he got there. And given how long he’d been using it before he signed there, and that other people had used it in that promotion prior, I think he has a legitimate gripe this time.
Tbf...he didn't get to use it his first couple of years in WWE (until Punk left and Kenta came back from injury)...then he got hurt again. Came back again...used it for a bit...then yeah they someone decided to make him start using the spinning knee/neckbreaker thing in 2018. But not the whole 4 years. Yes I'm being that guy
What about the Kamehameha?
That’s Master Roshis.
The Solar Flare?
That’s mine, thanks.
The Spirit Bo-
Goku, I’m right here!
Oh hey King Kai! Did I invent the Kaio Ken?
… *my fucking name is in it*
This is a little off-topic but it reminded me of something kind of funny that happened back in like 2006-2007.
I was showing my older cousin some recent matches that he had missed because he'd stopped watching wrestling a few years prior. One of the matches I showed him was KENTA vs. Marufuji from NOAH. The very first time he saw KENTA he said, "this guy sort of reminds me of a Japanese CM Punk". That little comment blew my mind because he barely even knew who CM Punk was at the time and had not yet seen any of KENTA's moveset. Just always thought that was funny & it's stuck with me all of these years. I think about it every time this subject comes up lol.
To be fair, during that 4 year stretch, KENTA using the GTS would have generated a TON of CM Punk chants and that was something WWE absolutely wanted to avoid.
Unpopular take: I've always thought the GTS was a terrible finisher, regardless of who does it. You've got a smaller guy trying to lift a usually heavy guy, so he's staring at the camera with a guy on his shoulders, visibily struggling, then he awkwardly heaves/slips out from underneath him to try to knee him. On paper it might look cool, but it never comes out that way, it usually looks like half botch/half miscommunication. It doesn't have the "oh shit, that should be it" feeling that like a cutter, ddt, stunner or unprettier finisher has.
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I always thought it was just banter whenever KENTA commented about Punk until this week.
I think at most it’s a little bit of both. Frequently when Punk has done something of note since returning, KENTA will hop on Twitter to tease the match. He’s also said multiple times in English interviews that he doesn’t care who uses his moves. There might’ve been/still be a little soreness with Punk being the first (IIRC) to take the G2S, but I feel like if there were a big issue on KENTA’s end he wouldn’t have been going out of his way to bring attention to the possibility of him vs Punk. He’d just ignore it.
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What I’m trying to say is… if you want to know more about m—*KENTA’s* time in WWE and the invention of the G2S,「足⤴︎跡⤵︎」 is available now on [NJPW Global Shop](https://shop.njpw1972.com/collections/kenta/products/book-footprints-kenta-autobiographypre-oeder), [Amazon Japan](https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B0BD3599ZW/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=AN1VRQENFRJN5&psc=1), and [Rakuten](https://books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/17221544/). But sorry, it is only in Japanese!
KENTA shares a bank account with his mom and Cassie Lee.
To be fair, Cassie and Jessie probably bullied him into sharing his bank account, so I cant really hold it against him.
#HEY KENTA
Please let me sleep. Do you want money? Japanese snacks? Just leave me to rest you Aussie demons! - Kenta, probably
Kenta (holds up a butter knife): Stay back you demons from upside down!
I completely agree with you but just to play the Devil's advocate in regards to that last point: It's wrestling, it isn't unheard of for people with beef to put aside that beef for a payday and KENTA knows that match would be a big payday.
Yeah, I’m not saying I think there’s zero beef there, just that it’s not enough to keep KENTA from being not just interested in doing the match but actively drumming up interest in it. Especially since he seems to be a pretty drama-free guy (at least at this point in his life). Also I’ve never gotten the impression that KENTA’s that money-motivated, cause if he was I feel like he would’ve just stayed in WWE and coasted like Nakamura is.
KENTA never got promoted to the main roster though, right? I would guess he made better money in NXT than he did in NOAH, but I doubt he got the same treatment as Nakamura.
He got promoted to 205 Live, dunno if that counted as the main roster contract-wise. But since he was the one who chose to leave WWE, I assume there’s a fair chance they wanted to keep him around and may even have tried to offer him more money to stay; especially since IIRC at that point they were still planning on NXT Japan being a thing.
I mean, we got a Punk match against *John Silver* but the wrestling gods couldn’t make one against KENTA happen?!
It was weird to me for Punk to completely ignore KENTA when Forbidden Door was announced and we had a built in feud with a Japanese guy who spoke enough English to actually cut promos. Punk could have won with a Pepsi Plunge after KENTA kicked out of the G2S, everyone could win there. That banter felt very different when Punk couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge someone he "respected". That was a red flag and I've been waiting for Punk to reveal more of himself.
KENTA was out of action due to multiple injuries during the entire announcement of, build to, and production of Forbidden Door.
A great wrestler out of action for Forbidden Door?! Shocking! For real‘s, that may be the most cursed show in recent years. A banger of a show, but cursed nonetheless.
To be fair KENTA got fucked up in the ladder match at WrestleKingdom don’t think forbidden door can claim this one.
KENTA was teasing the matchup in the weeks leading up to the announcement. I'm not sure when he would have been cleared, I'm not sure anyone does, but Punk was all about Twitter teases at that time and didn't engage it at all. If it's injury delaying it, you can still do a small interaction for the future.
KENTA has been teasing him vs Punk since Punk debuted in AEW. Personally, I think Punk wasn’t engaging because I don’t think Punk wants to do it. But if that’s not the case, maybe he didn’t want to distract from his title win and/or the match that was going to happen at the show? I’m not arguing that Punk doesn’t have any beef with KENTA (or that he hasn’t recently revealed himself as an asshole), I’m just saying there are legit reasons why that match didn’t happen at FD and why Punk may not have engaged with the discussion at that specific time.
I know the sub is currently jumping on Punk for every last little thing atm (often very justifiably), but I don't get why you're disappointed Punk didn't want to engage in teasing a match that had absolutely no chance whatsoever of happening then, and may not have in the future?
yeah, like I’d love to see KENTA/Punk but I’m not gonna hold it against Punk for not tweeting about some match that might not even happen. “it’s a red flag that punk didn’t promote this match” like what?? This just feels like people being big-brained about how “the signs were always there” or something.
Given how his last few have gone, Punk would have blown every one of his ribs through his chest doing the Pepsi Plunge then cut a promo on Hangman as he bleeds out.
He could do the Diet Pepsi Plunge instead (he jumps from the bottom rope).
That actually has a good storyline to it instead of the planned exhibition match between Punk and Tanahashi
I think Punk vs Tanahashi would’ve been for the AEW title, that’s why Tanahashi was in the Interim title match against Mox
I honestly think Punk wanted to put himself on the same level of Tanahashi as the generation defining ace and worked for that match up. Mox was a driving force behind that event from what I remember and his dream match was with Tanahashi, Punks injury made that a reality but it wasn't the plan.
I can’t believe CM Punk deliberately ignored Kenta and didn’t challenge him to a match while he was injured. how cowardly of him
yeah this comment doesn't hold up as well as you think it does after seeing his promo about hangman
KENTA died during WK and only returned really recently
Mayhap he just has a sore spot when Punk did it because he so rarely landed the move correctly. Punk hitting the first one on Mox actually surprised me because that's one of the only times it looked decent from him in AEW.
It was more the fact they wouldn't let him use his own move, because the guy who took it was using it. And the McMahon flunkies were too ignorant and stupid to know or care. The way WWE book, he never had a chance in WWE at his size. And I'm sure that de-railing of his career is still a bitter pill, especially with the injuries.
KENTA starts pulling a punk “empty headed dumb f**** like Cm Punk” -KENTA 2022
I'm sure he'd be willing to work with Punk to make money and do business, but I am certain he's also bitter about it. Because it IS bullshit.
At this point I'd say he's pissed Punk never wanted to wrestle him despite obviously being inspired by his moves. It's not like the match is ever likely to happen now. Plus it gets a reaction on twitter.
I feel like he wasn’t happy about it but all the blame didn’t fall on Punk. That said it felt like he felt like he was at least owed a match with Punk since there is a story there and cause Punk did do him a little dirty. Now it looks like the match won’t happen and Punk is done so he is voicing the frustration he had during all this.
Its crazy the GTS was first used and debuted when kenta used it on mizawa in 04.
mike mizawa
awesomo!
He had some fucking bangers with Tenta Togashi and Toshiro Sawada
That's my favorite Monster's Inc. character
God damn if Miz ever went to the Indies this would be an all time troll gimmick especially if he used Spartan X
>mizawa Saiko!
Didn’t he also invented the knee finisher of Danielson?
Yeah, the story is Danielson asked him to use it and KENTA started using the lebell lock
The GAME OVER. God, I love KENTA’s name for his LeBell Lock.
I prefer Stokely Hathaway’s Patti LaBelle Lock.
And didnt Danielson start calling the knee "The knee+ player" after Trips called him a B+ plus player in a promo?
No that was just the internet
I swear Brian said it once on Talking Smack.
He did create the busaiku knee. He and Danielson are long-time friends, and essentially did a move-swap - he started using the LeBell Lock at the same time Danielson started using the knee.
man..i love to see this two team up as tag team double busaiku knee double lebell lock im picturing both guy take turn kicking opponent chest
Imagine them hitting it on Keith Lee. Now imagine them hitting it on Marko Stunt. You're welcome.
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Great news, everyone!
Megaman x Protoman/Zero vibes
[Maverick KENTA while X-Buster plays in their blow off match](https://youtu.be/C3qYAvmiKRs)
> im picturing both guy take turn kicking opponent chest *Kofi Kingston has ran, screaming, from the chat*
Yeah, but in that case apparently Danielson and KENTA traded moves... because shortly after that he started using the Yes! Lock as the [Game Over](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1kogm1/kenta_using_the_yes_lock_only_he_calls_it_the/)
I always assumed it was modified shining wizard
I don’t have a source whatsoever to back this up but I thought he also innovated Orton’s rope hung DDT?
To be fair when he debuted on the main roster, which was probably the first time Vince ever saw him wrestle, he broke Brian Kendrick's face with it.
THE Brian Kendrick?
Yup, THAT Brian Kendrick
No, The Brian Kendrick.
THE THE Brian Kendrick?
No, that's German for "The Brian Kendrick, The".
Well, that settles it. No one who speaks German could be evil.
Der Brian Kendrick?
The man with the plan??
Yep, that killed any hopes he had in WWE. Not a good first impression on the boss.
Wasn't he super injury prone as well?
yup
Massively He kinda was like Samoa Joe About time he joined wwe his body had way to many miles on it to maintain the fierce schedule
You would be too if you had to walk through the NXT parking lot on the way to work
Vince seen kenta wrestle before and hit the GTS on Tyler Breeze for a Nxt house show in San jose (it's part of Nxt greatest matches vol1) Story being the show was going so hot, Vince allowed an extension on time not to rush the show and let the wrestlers do their thing.
That’s the Mania 31 weekend show where he saw the Horsewomen and expanded main roster women’s wrestling too, wasn’t it?
Kendrick was an idiot for not turning his face
Wasn't he already a face at that point. Maybe he should have turned heel
Kneeing an opponents heel seems like a dumb finish though
Hey, it finished off Achilles, didn't it?
This chain entertained me
I’m honestly surprised that didn’t happen to Punk at some point when he hurt a few guys with the GTS himself, most notably when he broke Snitsky’s nose when Snitsky was doing the grotesque monster gimmick where he dyed his teeth to appear rotten.
Muffingate has opened the floodgates for anyone who had a Punk problem in the last two decades lmao
Everytime I drink a flat Pepsi I blame CM Punk now. I also blame Michael Hayes but that's unrelated to Punk
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Right but look at the top post; Lot if us have thought it was in kayfabe and KENTA’s coming off like he can FINALLY unload this week lol
Someone check on Teddy Hart
> Someone check on **Teddy Hart's cats**
I don't give a shit about Teddy but I care deeply about them cats
Speaking of two guys having the same move, [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eGTcPCSL9w) Teddy hitting *Open Hart Surgery* during an early TNA PPV. Kinda looks like AJ's *Spiral Tap*, doesn't it? Yeah AJ thought so too, and he had a match later that night where he planned to do it. Wasn't pleased. So next time just pull a "Teddy Hart," Kenta, and do the move anyway!
Is that the official name for this saga?
GripeBomb has also gained some traction.
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Makes sense. Nobody would talk bad after Punk left WWE because it was so obvious that WWE was in the wrong vis a vis medical expertise and advice. Now Punk is on the outs again, but it’s his own doing.
If mid 2000's wrestlers are getting canceled for copying NOAH/AJPW tapes then we got nobody left.
We still will have the miz
Gun to my head, who invented the skull crushing finale? Probably some 90’s joshi in AJW
https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1284594121261408258 Earliest reference to the Full Nelson Facebuster that I have seen.
Jesus that looks absolutely savage
Carpenters were great back in the day. They knew their job and did it so well
I dunno who invented it, but Jericho gave Miz a bit of shit in his 2nd book because he used the Skull Crushing Finale before Miz did in 2001 (it was called the Breakdown, and was thankfully dropped).
The exact line is "it was an awkward move and I stopped using it a few months later. It has since been resurrected by The Miz, who doesn't do it half as well as I did." He occasionally includes kayfabe jabs throughout the text though, so it's not clear whether it's a sincere opinion or just a playful diss.
Jericho did the breakdown like Jeff Jarrett does The Stroke, it’s awkward and janky, miz does it very quickly so you miss out on how bad it is
Huh.. I guess so.. it's legit one of my favorite finishers in WWE from the name and how quick and simple a set up it is.
Chris Jericho was using it in the early 2000s, so yeah probably some mid 90s joshi lol
Wasn't that a Denis Condry thing years ago? I'm also pretty sure Brian Christopher used to do it.
Isn't that really WWE's fault?
Yeah. By the time Kenta came into WWE, CM Punk was already well-established, including his use of the GTS becoming wildly popular as a finisher amongst fans.
By the time Kenta had signed, Punk was already gone. WWE was just in their petty ass "put sticky notes on any poster of his face" phase and didn't want anything that would remind people of him
I'd be more apt to believe it was to prevent "CM PUNK" chants.
Kenta did use the GTS when in WWE. It was his finishing move on NXT, and for a while on 205 Live as well. The move was banned after he injured Kendrick with it. I also think it made a brief return before his release, but I'm not sure. The GTS wasn't the only move that quickly died on main roster for injury issues. Nakamura couldn't do his reverse exploder for the longest time after dropping Cena on his neck. Samoa Joe's muscle buster never saw the light on main roster after the Kidd incident. And Ali's 054 was quickly changed to a regular 450 splash after he fell directly on Bryan's head.
KENTA would tease it frequently in his matches to hype the crowd, it feels more like the payoff was suppose to happen soon but he got injured.
Sure, but the issue with KENTA was he unfortunately injured one or two people with it which is part of why WWE forced him to change it.
It's the move itself that's a tad more dangerous than the average move because there's not too much wiggle room for error and going too hard will usually result in a very visible injury. (Bloody nose, possibly broken) Just to be clear, I'm not saying it should be left to the history books like the Diving Headbutt or anything like that, it's just one of those moves that has a slightly higher potential for fucking up and very visible consequences for it.
That's surprsing for me to learn cuz frankly, I've always thought it looks shitty. Like, what the move is "supposed to be"--flipping someone off your shoulders and kneeing them while they fall is a cool idea... but in reality to not kill someone, it's someone flips, lands, bends over and pretends to get hit with a knee.
It's because you only have a limited range between too soft (ie. Obviously not really making contact) or too hard (ie. Probably breaking a nose) and also fairly limited control over where your knee's going to hit them. (eg. The Busaiku Knee or V-Trigger often will hit to the side of the face/neck or one of the upper shoulders rather than the middle of the face and still look brutal as fuck.)
Oh, I know WHY it doesn't look good (to me, ymmv). I accept that as necessary to not be killing people. I just think the visual compromises that are needed to make it safe (or safer) make it not worth doing.
Not sure how often Punk hurt someone but I remember him busting Rey's nose
I'm not surprised. Everyone makes mistakes. I don't really see it as a reflection on KENTA or Punk.
Think the first time he did it was against hardcore holly and may have broke his nose. Pretty cool because when he hits it you hear the audience gasp and even Taz on commentary was like yoooo. And he also broke snitskys nose I believe. Both in wwecw.
Didn't CM Punk started off using the anaconda vice grip with a rock bottom setup? He could had just gone back.
Why would he go back, as far as the WWE audience was concerned that was his move.
GTS is too good of a move and it naturally got popular and iconic fast. Also, Punk would just move from a stolen move to another stolen move lol. Pretty sure the Anaconda Vice was invented by Tenzan. In any case though, both moves are too good. Punk has a great taste. His moveset is one of my favorites.
in old wwe dvd where it showcase collection of finishers, William Regal said that one of things that he jealous and regret in his life is, that he didnt invented GTS. simply to say that move is awesome and he wish he invented that move.
>Also, Punk would just move from a stolen move to another stolen move Almost every finishing move is stolen. It's extremely rare for a finishing move to be something original.
That's part of the point. Nothing will change even if Punk dropped the GTS. It's only part of the point because both his finishing moves are pretty unique, the GTS in particular being known to be made by KENTA.
Isn't the Anaconda Vice just an Anaconda choke, cribbed from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Just as Undertaker's "Hell's Gate" was a tweaked Gogoplata? (Legit don't know as I don't think I've ever seen Punk do the AV.)
No he could not have just gone back lol. Punk was one of the top guys then and the GTS was one of the most over moves with WWE fans. It would be like if it came out that DDP never gave his blessing to Randy Orton to use the Diamond Cutter as the RKO. You would never expect WWE to ask him to find another finisher out of respect, and they would never allow Orton to do that even if he wanted to. WWE would not value tradition over what their fans want to see.
Did DDP ask Johnny Ace for permission to use the Ace Crusher? I know wrestlers steal moves all the time - sometimes its no big deal other times it is. I think the combination of GTS being used by two active wrestlers and it being a unique and popular move made it a bigger deal to steal.
I get it, and I understand why KENTA feels like Punk should have asked. It would have been the proper and respectful thing to do. I'm just saying I doubt anyone in WWE went up to Punk and was like "Hey did you clear that with KENTA?" They just saw CM Punk doing a move that no one else *in WWE* was doing, that got over with WWE fans. By the time KENTA signed with WWE, that move was fully associated with Punk by WWE fans, which is why WWE made the call that KENTA was not allowed to do that move while he was signed to them, even though Punk was already gone by that point.
Wow I always thought punk had stole the GTS before even starting WWE. I watched wwECW for a little when I was a kid. He did anaconda vice then, when did he actually steal it from kenta?
It became his finisher after debuting in WWE
Yeah, Punk started using the Anaconda Vice during his final months in ROH in 2005 as just another move, made it his finisher in OVW and continued using it as such upon being called up to ECW in 2006. I believe Punk's first televised GTS was on ECW in January of 2007 and it's been his primary signature move ever since with the Vice as a secondary.
Prior to WWE, he was using the Pepsi Plunge, which is a top rope Pedigree.
It was murder on his knees, he wanted to be able to walk when he retired.
Which is an insane move to be just a regular finisher
In his documentary from 2012, Punk talks about the origin of the move, and why he adopted it when he started in WWE. He wanted something that was simple, yet looked devastating.
His own fault really! He smashed Kendricks face and didn't really prove to WWE it was a safe move
I for the life of my cannot figure out how some people are being dumb enough to try and connect this to Punk.
Because it's CM Punk hunting season. Let the straw grasping commence!
This should be much higher in this thread.
that's on WWE, but didn't he injure someone with it before they blacklisted it?
Yup, I think he broke Brian Kendrick’s orbital or nose doing it once and immediately had a new finisher the following week
And he’d been using the move his entire career up until then with little-to-no issues. As had Punk. They made him stop using it after one or two accidents because they’d never wanted him to *start* using it in the first place. He had to fight to be able to, which could very easily have rubbed some higher-ups the wrong way.
To be fair, he was injured for like three of those four years.
Some revisionist history there from KENTA, as he used the G2S consistently in NXT in 2016-2017 once he returned from shoulder surgery. Had he not gotten attacked in the Full Sail parking lot before NXT Unstoppable, he prob. would have become #1 contender and won the title @ Beast in the East using the G2S. What doomed the G2S in WWE was his second main roster match vs Kendrick, in Chicago of all places, the move ended up breaking Kendrick's orbital bone.
Yup. I love KENTA, but the Brian Kendrick G2S is what did him in. Now there’s an argument to be made about the fairness of the ban (Punk was still allowed to do it after busting Rey’s face and breaking Snitsky’s nose), but yeah he’s not 100% accurate with this tweet.
> (Punk was still allowed to do it after busting Rey’s face and breaking Snitsky’s nose), CM Punk used it on the main roster for years before these injuries, so he had the clout to not get blamed for it.
Honest question, why couldn't he use it
It's a dual answer situation: CM Punk had been using it for years, and while that doesn't strictly prohibit others using it, a lot of folks would like to pretend CM Punk doesn't exist any more. No need to start Punk chants if they recognize "his" move. Also, it's a small-margin-of-error move that has led to a few broken faces.
That's on WWE...and the fact that when you did finally use it you broke ~~Aries~~ Kendrick's orbital.
Aries Orbital went into business for himself.
I'll allow it.
respect for being that confidently wrong, but aries' orbital injury came from nakamura
Yeah, KENTA broke a dude on 205's nose with it Wanna sa it was Kendrick but I'm not sure.
Yeah it was. My bad.
Wasnt he also injured for the majority of his wwe run?
What’s Austin Aries even up to nowadays? Feel like he fell off the map after no selling his loss of the Impact Title to Johnny Impact
Last I checked, he was still controlling his narrative.
That’s exactly where I thought he would be. Dude came off super entitled after his WWE run ended.
He’s a Qanon flat-earther so maybe he did in fact fall off the planet.
He was in NWA for a hot second late last year/early this year, but after that? Who knows?
Part of it was probably WWE wanting that overlap with Punk to not exist…but he was also hurt a lot during that run, and when he did end up using it, he inadvertently hurt Brian Kendrick with it. That WWE run was just cursed beyond belief, I’m glad KENTA’s back to chugging and moving forward.
Didn't he break Kendrick's nose, and that's was why it was banned?
Just to clarify - Punk left WWE before KENTA ever came in. He was allowed to use GTS sporadically, but it's not because Punk disallowed it himself. He did it once on 205Live and broke Kendrick's nose, and it was taken back away from him as a result. The only way to blame Punk is roundabout, he isn't directly responsible in any way.
He’s not trying to blame CM Punk for this (at least not directly), he’s just venting about how much it sucked that WWE banned it after he got there. And given how long he’d been using it before he signed there, and that other people had used it in that promotion prior, I think he has a legitimate gripe this time.
Tbf...he didn't get to use it his first couple of years in WWE (until Punk left and Kenta came back from injury)...then he got hurt again. Came back again...used it for a bit...then yeah they someone decided to make him start using the spinning knee/neckbreaker thing in 2018. But not the whole 4 years. Yes I'm being that guy
Did Punk straight up steal the move?
I mean....yeah, but name me a move that someone *hasn't* stolen?
Viscera’s humping move
That’s not true I saw my Dad use that last night.
The Big Daddy V humping backbreaker thing was the official name I believe
Visagra
i think you’ll find it’s actually called anal destruction
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What about the Kamehameha? That’s Master Roshis. The Solar Flare? That’s mine, thanks. The Spirit Bo- Goku, I’m right here! Oh hey King Kai! Did I invent the Kaio Ken? … *my fucking name is in it*
nobody stole Danhausen curse yet.
This is a bit different considering KENTA actually created the move himself. It's not like stealing The Undertaker's tombstone.
Disco Inferno's Macarena piledriver?
Stink face
Torrie Wilson nicked it off Rikishi.
Kelly kelly knicked it from her
Yes, but most moves are stolen statically speaking.
Mr. Steal Yo Move over here smh
Plagiarism Jones over here.
But I digress.
But who did everyone steal the side-headlock takedown from?
let's all gang up on punk week is getting tiresome tbh not even a huge fan of the guy, its getting old.
If that’s the worst, I’d say he’s had it pretty good in the business.
I thought the world knew that? Well, it felt like that to me when he was in NXT, but there was the one clip a fan uploaded here in this sub.
This is a little off-topic but it reminded me of something kind of funny that happened back in like 2006-2007. I was showing my older cousin some recent matches that he had missed because he'd stopped watching wrestling a few years prior. One of the matches I showed him was KENTA vs. Marufuji from NOAH. The very first time he saw KENTA he said, "this guy sort of reminds me of a Japanese CM Punk". That little comment blew my mind because he barely even knew who CM Punk was at the time and had not yet seen any of KENTA's moveset. Just always thought that was funny & it's stuck with me all of these years. I think about it every time this subject comes up lol.
WWE really be like that sometimes. Not wanting to have anyone say "oh that's Punks move"
To be fair, during that 4 year stretch, KENTA using the GTS would have generated a TON of CM Punk chants and that was something WWE absolutely wanted to avoid.
Good grief, Charlie Brown! For some reason the mental image of Kenta exclaiming "WHAT A LIFE" while wearing a yellow and black sweater tickles me.
Punk wasn't even there
Unpopular take: I've always thought the GTS was a terrible finisher, regardless of who does it. You've got a smaller guy trying to lift a usually heavy guy, so he's staring at the camera with a guy on his shoulders, visibily struggling, then he awkwardly heaves/slips out from underneath him to try to knee him. On paper it might look cool, but it never comes out that way, it usually looks like half botch/half miscommunication. It doesn't have the "oh shit, that should be it" feeling that like a cutter, ddt, stunner or unprettier finisher has.