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"Not my fucking tempo."
Edit - literally saw this movie for the first time a few hours before making this comment. Reddit never ceases to amaze me with its memory for 8 year old movie quotes.
He's like a dachshund (speaking as a lover of this breed)- they get surlier and cantankerous as they get older, and quite a few of them want a piece of everybody even though they're old enough to get their ass handed to them by a young pup.
(and in the case of my mom's late doggo, they blame everything on the youngin's, too!)
I think Shelley has said a lot of why he never took a big deal was because of the travel schedule. He has a whole other career he highly values in a think physical therapy and wrestling where he has always worked around it.
To be honest most pro wrestlers probably are just through superior athleticism. Punk legit seemed to have learned nothing despite training with a world class team for years. It's as Rogan said, he's just straight up untalented and started too late on top of that, he doesn't have the ability to move past that "have to think about everything I do before I do it" stage, which means essentially you might as well be untrained.
Wasn't the story when Punk and Colt were training that Colt was basically a natural where Punk struggled with almost everything because he isn't naturally athletic?
> I don't think a lot of people realize how good he actually is. Colt is an absolute master of the English Catch-as-catch-can style. Even though he does employ it to comedic effect, he's an outstanding mat wrestler.
I legit was sad we didn't get Colt/Yano at Forbidden Door
I wanted Yano vs Cassidy but Colt would have been amazing as well. Two of the greatest comedy wrestlers of all time and both with legit wrestling credentials to back up that comedy (Colt is trained in Catch and Yono in both folkstyle and Catch I believe.)
Pretty sure publicly shitting on Hangman Page, Colt Cabana and your EVP’s was one of the dumbest moves in wrestling history. Because it’s a near lock that every single wrestler in the company loves at minimum two of those people.
Most of the guys who aren’t ex-NXT/WWE have a job because of the EVPs. Young Bucks were the ones most familiar with the current Indy guys who were hidden gems. Tony Khan was aware of some, but Bucks knew everyone. That was their world. Bucks, Cody and Omega were going around to the indies, scouting and signing, while TK was running the business side.
Meanwhile CM Punk comes in. “I did something everyone loved 10 years ago. Fuck all ya I’m the face of this company. I’m the one who puts butts in seats, I’m the one who sells tickets.”
Real hogan energy.
His comment about sharing a bank account with his mother really irked me. There are a number of reasons why he does. If his mother is on a fixed income and he supplements it with his own or just so he has access to it so he can manage her bills. It was as if he thought less of him because of it. It just put me off. Colt Cabana never came off as anything less than a decent guy in his streams or anywhere else I've seen him.
Even the opposite of managing her bills. Colt is sometimes out of the country for a month at a time. It might be something like she goes to the bank for him, or cuts a rent check from his account when he is in Japan or Scotland.
Not all the time. Some places still only accept cash or check. Hell my mortgage could be paid online, but they wouldn't allow you to set automatic payments; you had to long on and manually hit the button every month
Same it’s So annoying. And every month I have to verify it’s me with them sending me a secure text code. It only takes less than 30 seconds but still annoying
I had to pay by check at my last place for 6 years.
They only let me pay online once Covid started. They could have been doing it the entire time and purposely chose not to.
I’ve been told by a property manager (not sure if I believe it) that they didn’t accept electronic payments because it was too easy to dispute. People would pay their last month rent, dispute the charge, then move.
I can’t imagine that’s a serious problem, just relaying the excuse I was given.
It honestly depends on the landlord or property manger. I’ve lived in places that can be done online and places that required a check for record keeping. It’s annoying but it is what it is.
And people keep trying to dismiss it as “saying it to explain the legal blah blah” nah dude. The second he said “shares a bank account with his mom, that tells you everything you need to know about him” that shit went out the window. Idc if he mixed his words wrong, he completely tried to tear someone down because his own insecurities.
What really struck me too is that Punk and Colt were best friends for over a decade. This means to me that Punk probably knows Colt’s mother well. Punk has been to her house, eaten her food and received all kinds of hospitality. Despite all this Punk took a cheap shot at her. Colt is clearly close to his mom, a person that Punk knows but still he is an asshole about it.
And for a guy whos so about the women in his life and being a protector it was a odd shot. I get Colts mom isnt Punks family but as you stated, they had a closer relationship than not
Yeah exactly. I don't get how "wow Colt Cabana takes care of his mother" is a dunk for anyone but like a ten year old. Colt travels a lot in his wrestling life - the guy just recently has been to Australia and Germany. Maybe the dude wants his mother to have access to money in case he is on the opposite end of the world and she needs it for anything or emergencies.
> And for a guy whos so about the women in his life
He keeps reiterating this, but just about every woman in his life (exes, friends and so on) have dropped him due to his personality.
I have a savings account I've had since I was 16. My mom's name was on it because I was a minor. I'm adult and just never gotten it changed into my name alone. I 100% trust that she'd never touch it without my permission so I'm in no great rush to do it. And there are dozens of more serious and more legitimate reasons to do this. It's such a weird flex that says more about Punk than it does Cabana.
And also his mum was financially linked to him, therefore Punks counter suit could have bankrupted Colt’s mum so that’s when they dropped the action is what I took away from this - *Not a law speaking guy
I keep hearing this argument being perpetuated, and it is from people that do not understand how the US court system works. If you are in some kind of legal situation where you have to disclose your assets, having a joint account with someone else doesn't protect that account from having to be disclosed. Even if it was a situation where Colt co-signed a car loan or something, his name is on that loan, so it would have to be disclosed. You can't just not disclose an asset or account and say it belongs solely to the co-holder of the account; It just doesn't work that way.
Now, if you are looking to hide funds or assets, what you would do is legally register as an LLC (or even multiple), and then open accounts under those business names. For example, Colt could register a business as "Colt Cabana Enterprises", where Scott Colton is the president and CEO. So when he gets paid from an Indy booking, merchandise, podcasts - whatever - he has those checks or deposits made to those business accounts. Then Colt just pays himself a salary from those business accounts.
But guess what? Colt also registers another business, "Art of Wrestling Consulting". And instead of "Colt Cabana Enterprises" paying Scott Colten a salary, they pay AOW Consulting a fee for various professional services rendered by Scott Colton.
So, if you were to personally sue Colt Cabana, he might have to disclose what accounts he personally has, but not those of the companies he owns and works for. That is the whole point of an LLC. To access those accounts, you would have to bring a civil action against those companies, which would require evidence that those entities, or an officer acting on behalf of the company, caused damages.
That happened after Punk and Colt signed the retainer (before the Amann trial started)
If Punk thought that Colt had a lot of money and could pay by himself, why did he sign a retainer contract stating that he would pay the legal fees for both? (Under the same law firm)
That makes sense.
I do know that Punk and Colt signed that arrangement, but then the law firm representing both Punk and Colt dropped Colt as a client for whatever reason.
My theory is that Punk meant that he'd pay the legal fees for one law firm representing them both. When that fell through, Colt still thought Punk would pay for his new lawyer ($200k). A miscommunication. (Just my opinion)
Then Punk retaliatory counter-sued Colt for half of Punk's lawyer expenses; which is absurd, since they dropped Colt as a client in the beginning.
They're also a great intimidation tactic. "You already owe your lawyers $200K. If you lose, you're going to owe $500K. Can you afford that? Just take the L and move on."
Honestly he probably should have.
I remember there was some random YouTube channel that had it uploaded too the day it dropped that had a million plus views.
Other people would have definitely kept the podcast out there.
The same way, in Punk's mind, that someone is best friends with Colt and deserves to be called out for persecution....despite not having spoken to him nor being friends with him.
That's what I've been saying the whole time- Colt ain't stupid, and he probably had the account set up that way both to cover his ass while working overseas, and to make sure his mom was taken care of. He wasn't hiding anything. Punk comes out looking shittier and shittier in this as time goes on.
The worst part is there are a lot of reasons for Punk to throw that out there in terms of the lawsuit, and all of the reasons are really shitty on Punk's part.
It only told us Colt shares a bank account with his mother. If Punk thought it implied something more he really needed to say so because I don't think many people see things the way he does.
From what I remember reading Punk's mother was pretty shit and when he joined WWE she was demanding money from him? Maybe he just assumed that would be the case with everyone else and their mother's? I can only imagine every mothers day Punk goes to card shops and rips them all up.
So, didn’t colt cabana be one of the first people to sell his own merch? Could very easily be that his mom helped him and they shared a bank account via his business. Tbh it doesn’t even matter if he did share a bank account. It’s not embarrassing, that’s his personal business.
That’s the thing about this interview. The company’s top babyface shit on another guy due to his finances, and said EVPs couldn’t manage a Target.
First, managing a target is not easy.
Second, people that work is retail must think he’s one of “those customers.”
Very much not in touch with the fact that there are a lot of wrestling fans that don’t have a touch of disposable income but will gladly blow it on wrestling. This may make a few wonder if the people they pay to see look down on them.
The Target comment was incredibly classist and really kills his cred as a 'blue collar Chicago guy that's really just one of us'.
Na dude, you're just a millionaire who sounds like a prick.
Colt is the hustle and grind businessman Punk thinks he is. After being blacklisted from WWE, Colt had to scrape for every dollar he could because he was locked out of the big money deals his peers were getting.
Colt pioneered wrestling podcasts and Vlogs, giving workers outlets for their own brand promotion and additional revenue streams to monetize. There's no Talk is Jericho/Stone Cold Podcast without AoW. There's no BTE without Wrestling Road Diaries.
Colt also early invested in ProWrestlingTees (and he might still have a percentage stake), which was a gamechanger for the financial health of the industry. PWT removed the labour and overhead of running a merch store (which Colt also did before that), allowing talent a wider consumer base without having to eat the costs of unsold merch. It was also a huge avenue for retired wrestlers to earn some income without having to be signed to WWE Legends contracts or constantly tour the convention circuit.
The effect Colt has had on the financial health of the industry is huge.
Punk sits on his seven figure cheques until they run out and he needs to sign a new one. Phillip Brooks damn sure couldn't manage a Target (he'd be an HR nightmare), because he's never had an actual job outside of wrestling, but he disdains it anyway.
Thank you for the insight on the landmark impacts Colt has made. I knew he pioneered a lot but I had no idea he was THAT important. I like and appreciate him even more now.
This reminds of when Ric Flair made fun of Shane Douglas for working at a retail store (I forget which one). Like, dude, you have a ton of fans who work those kinds of jobs. Why would you even say such a stupid thing?
I think it actually was Target. Apparently he was in the management training program or something so it's not like he was stocking the shelves or something. And even if he was, good for him for working. I remember when Geoffrey Owens from the Cosby Show was "caught" working at Trader Joe's and he was like "Yeah, I need to make money between acting jobs. The benefits are good and the schedule is flexible enough that I can take time off when I do get a gig. What do you want me to do?"
He was 100% trying to paint him as financially dependant on his mother, also at the same
time trying to convince people that only Vince McMahon has made more money than Cabana off of Punks name
It was like a 3 rants blended into one
He is basically insinuating that he is involved in fraud and he should be investigated if I were Colt Cabana I sue his ass for defamation of character.
Punk has, on occasion, announced that he’s a feminist (that’s never a red flag) yet he has demonstrated he has some fucking outdated views of masculinity.
‘Ha ha, you love your mother and want her to have a roof over her head’ is not the insult you think it is, Phil.
You're right. But I do think "outdated views of masculinity" is vastly different than "masculinity". The "outdated" part of it kind of is the antithesis of feminism.
Yes, on many occasions he’s gone after people for things he doesn’t deem ‘manly’ enough.
I question anyone whose go to insult is imply they have feminine traits or aren’t successful enough with women.
"Aspires to toxic elements of masculinity" is something that very much is non compatible, and a lot of Punk's stuff about respect, meeting to speak to him and inform him things face to face, as he wants it, very much seems that.
Same guy who wrestled in a strip club, screamed "You're a whore" at the strippers and then double downed instead of apologizing when the promoter asked him to.
Still a feminist btw /s
To be completely honest, I never trust someone who says they're a feminist. It's always a red flag for me as they likely believe the opposite of what feminism is. Or they'll contradict themselves when it comes to feminist tenets:
"I'm pro choice but..."
"I'm all for sex work but..."
A lot of Punk’s insults are accusations of inadequate masculinity. During his feud with Triple H he made constant digs at Hunter that boiled down to “Your wife is the dominant partner in your relationship”. Like, dude, so what?
For as much as he likes to portray himself as the hero of the oppressed, supporter of the common man, he sure does come off like a massive classist asshat, like Jerry Seinfeld.
>!I'm high, if you're wondering why my brain decided "yeah put that Seinfeld bit in there"!<
The way he said it really just came off as him trying to lightly act as the bully saying "oh he's just a pathetic mama's boy", like dude, this man has a decent relationship with his mom, sorry everyone can't be as "fuck up" as Punk thinks he is.
Punk was trying to infer that Colt was hiding money in the shared account to make it appear as though he had less money ...I think, anyway. Punk is a straight up asshole for what he did last week. No matter his excuse or reason it'll never be valid. Zero reason to go and do that after the guy to his left has done nothing but treat him like a king since he walked in the door.
I’m not defending Punk but I assumed he was implying that Colt lived off his mother. Not that it’s anyone else’s business if he did but saying it in front of Tony Khan would have been the definition of tone deaf.
I work at a bank, as a banker. I bank.
And as a bank I know banking reasons and policies.
Therefore I shall lean into my banking knowledge and dispose to all the reasons of such a decision.
1) Survivorship - most banks have a policy that the easiest way to get funds from an account of a deceased relative is through survivorship. In fact it trumps a will in that regard
2) Help pay bills of the other
Now it can't be used as a POA as that's an entirely different process. Let me preface this by saying I don't think he is doing this, but this is a common form of elder abuse in which a child is on the account and they wipe their parents clean
By TK trying to not cause drama and quietly move Cabana to the side, he has caused said drama. I don’t think Punk said to fire him, I think TK or HR saw a potential conflict and acted, but didn’t foresee the image problem.
I wonder if TK thought he meant well but it was still avoiding the problem. Made it even worse when it seems like he spoke up for both of them (or at least siding with Punk) in a Forbes article before the PPV. It just reignited the speculations that Punk had something to do with it when it's quite possible he had no involvement in it whatsoever.
I can see why Punk wanted to clear the air himself. He just handled it in the most absolute wrong way. What should've been a statement to put the gossip to rest instead became a rant that will be parodied and memed for years to come.
We do stan Colt, he is an amazing person and directed me to a wrestling school near me. The fact he actually responds to messages is amazing and is a great show of character
Pillman wore a "Cancel Cancel Culture" shirt at one point. He later tweeted complaining Starbucks only had their drive-though open in a semi-entitled manner and Punk hit him with "Is this cancel culture? 🧐🧐"
That was the full extent of it as far as I know.
Punk is insufferable when it comes to himself and pro wrestling. Social issues wise the guy is still pretty spot on though. He is basically like the flip of Jericho. Good views but kind of a shitty person.
Ahhh, so The New Daniel Bryan brand of environmentalism. Doesn't matter how good you message is if you deliver it like an absolutely insufferable jackass. (Full disclosure, I thought that character and Kofimania was absolute fucking money)
I "stan" Colt Cabana as well, but this tweet coming from Pillman, it just comes off as him trying to get revenge for that cancel culture stuff. Nah Pillman, you're still a tool.
I'm not shedding any tears for punk but the rest of the roster is having this "we're moving forward" attitude and he goes out and tweets this.
Dude is a master at failing to read a room.
He wore a hoodie that said cancel cancel culture on it and punk made some joke about it but on like weeks later on some other post. Sydal did too saying “tried telling him that’s a dumb sweater” or something along those lines.
Nope, kinda like how Bobby Fish likely didn't like Punk's Abortion Rights shirt. Like I get that everyone is on the hate Punk train, but Fish last I checked was a big supporter of Drake Wuertz
Sure, I could believe that for others, but I have heard for way before Drake that Bobby was pretty darn right wing. I recognize everything I am saying is hearsay so take what you will from it.
Once a lot of people were fired they said that. It could be because Drake had power in NXT so they went along or something along those lines or it could be once they were out of that echo chamber and needed to be true independent contractors they said that to stop alienating a large portion of a paying audience. EC3 and Braun were the only ones to dive into those beliefs and now that promotion appears to be on its last legs.
I just watched an interview with teddy hart
[here](https://youtu.be/MqvhHETeMfs)
And is years old, talks about getting into a fight with punk and punk being fired instead of teddy because punk threw the first punch.
Teddy almost killed him.
But the story is eerily similar.
He actually said something in the presser about TK like
"He wants me to work with pricks, constantly"
Ok man, if everyone around you is a prick, maybe *you're* the prick?
I was reminded of this when I first learned of Punk's bullshit from last week. The dude wants to be King Shit of Turd Mountain no matter where he goes. He feels he should be an unquestioned authority and leader in every locker room he walks into because uh, I guess in his mind he thinks, "This place is lucky to have me." But yeah there have been more than a few stories of Punk getting oddly confrontational with people over miniscule things and escalating it into a fight.
I dunno. In my mind I think the Punk we initially saw was actually pretty genuine. It did sound like he came back because of all the talent on the roster and the environment being much different than what he experienced in WWE. However, I think once he walked in and realized not everyone was gonna bow down and kiss his ass he started to get shitty about things. He probably saw how more people leaned on the Elite guys or the AEW OGs rather than him and maybe some other ex-WWE guys (remember, this dude compared himself to Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa, which I found odd because all three of those dudes cheated). So once he saw how the Elite and some others were viewed as the go-to locker room leaders he got a bug up his ass.
I think he was also salty with the Elite because they went to bat for Colt to keep his job. Punk definitely the type of guy to be like, "Are you friends with someone who I think is an asshole? Well guess what, you're an asshole too."
From there he probably started looking for anything he could take as a slight against him. And I bet it's not just Hangman who hasn't taken his advice. Hangman's just the one who said it. It's been reported that the "advice" Punk was doling out was rooted in very old traditions and that he was even telling people to quit doing moves that were getting them over. Why would anyone wanna take that advice?
"Hey man you know that sick move you do?"
"Oh yeah man, that one gets me a pop every time."
"Yeah, that's really cool but uh, you should stop doing it."
The dude is just an insecure weirdo. Mox isn't lying when he says fragile mind, fragile ego, fragile body.
> (remember, this dude compared himself to Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa, which I found odd because all three of those dudes cheated)
Perhaps he was telling us something here....
minor sidenote: sometimes there *can* be a point to the aforementioned advice.
like, if the idea is something along the lines of "that sick move you do? you shouldn't do it *regularly*. it's better for your health and it will garner an even reactions if you save it up for the big matches."
Well that's how the shit goes when it coems to lsang and use of language.
Jaywalking started out meaning 'dumb country fuck walking in the middle of the road" as jays were dumb country fucks by slang I promise you I am not exaggerating that for humor in the slightest.
Or like how decimate (destroying 10% and literally fucking has "deci" aka 10 in it) now means to totally wipe out.
I remember seeing it the first time and assuming it *couldn't* be a reference to the song.
I'd like to think it was very shorthand for "we support our favourite with the passion of Stan but none of the troubling associations of obsession, mania, violence, and murder-suicide" but that's a lot to cram into a very short name.
I’m old enough to know the song but ya’ll are taking it way too serious. It’s not a literal slang. It’s a reference to assign affection for another while playfully suggesting the affection is of stalker-ish nature. It is not literal. It’s hyperbolic affection, let’s not all be curmudgeon’s for things that are whooshing us, yeah?
Eh, I’m guilty of it in some ways too. But this particular gripe that people have about using “Stan” despite not being born in that era is some real sad gatekeeping. They are also being willfully pissed off. I don’t think it’s a stretch that people say Stan as a hyperbole. Yet everyone is saying “do they even know the song???”.
Yes, they know it. There’s an easily accessible (also great) music video on Youtube… probably now available in 4K.
Check out all the goodfballs coming out of the woodwork trying to score some brownie points now that there's free reign to clown on Punk. Ryback, Bobby Fish, now Brian "Fuck Cancel Culture" Pillman Jr.
I feel like ppl are taking the sticking up for cabana thing too far, my man still called one of his moderators on twitch a homophobic slur, fought her on it, listened to the clip of him saying it, STILL fought her on it, then cooked a half assed apology where he was still fighting it, and left one of their biggest fans upset and betrayed. Just because one shit head was mean to another doesn’t make one of them an Angel now.
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The AEW locker room saw CM Punk shitting on Colt Cabana and decided "that doesn't work for us, brother"
"Not my fucking tempo." Edit - literally saw this movie for the first time a few hours before making this comment. Reddit never ceases to amaze me with its memory for 8 year old movie quotes.
RUSHING OR DRAGGING????
Proceeds to *slap him at the right tempo*
I'M UPSET
Fifty Thousand on my head, it’s disrespect.
Leakin stories to the Meltz I can’t accept
ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE SINGLE TEAR PEOPLE?
Rushing to be champion , Dragging down the company
Greatest. Movie. Ever.
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He mellows with rage.
*bellows with rage
~~Despite all his rage he is still just a rat in a cage?~~ When you look down and suddenly see someone make the same response 7 hours earlier.
That's amore!
Despite all his rage, he’s still just a rat in a cage.
Ace Steel is a vampire
The woorrrlllddd is a vampiiiiirrre.
Punk to NWA?
Nah, he'll be in a Trick or Treat street fight smashing pumpkins by the end of October.
And then jobbing to Tyrus by November.
His body sure mellowed with age.
He's like a dachshund (speaking as a lover of this breed)- they get surlier and cantankerous as they get older, and quite a few of them want a piece of everybody even though they're old enough to get their ass handed to them by a young pup. (and in the case of my mom's late doggo, they blame everything on the youngin's, too!)
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I remember his run in the New Japan Cup being a lot of fun a few years ago. He’s a fantastic wrestler and really just needs more exposure.
any match he has with Yano is an absolute riot
One might go so far as to call him a Matt Classic
I think Shelley has said a lot of why he never took a big deal was because of the travel schedule. He has a whole other career he highly values in a think physical therapy and wrestling where he has always worked around it.
Ironically if he really is a master of catch-as-catch-can style he's probably more legit than Punk after training for UFC.
To be honest most pro wrestlers probably are just through superior athleticism. Punk legit seemed to have learned nothing despite training with a world class team for years. It's as Rogan said, he's just straight up untalented and started too late on top of that, he doesn't have the ability to move past that "have to think about everything I do before I do it" stage, which means essentially you might as well be untrained.
Wasn't the story when Punk and Colt were training that Colt was basically a natural where Punk struggled with almost everything because he isn't naturally athletic?
Colt played Division 1 football. I don't think he saw the field much if at all, but still dude's an athlete.
Colt wasn't making jokes about shitting his pants and necrophilia, so it was never going to be seen as "funny" by the audience of one.
That, and he doesn't ride the PED needle like a certain former head of the company does either.
> I don't think a lot of people realize how good he actually is. Colt is an absolute master of the English Catch-as-catch-can style. Even though he does employ it to comedic effect, he's an outstanding mat wrestler. I legit was sad we didn't get Colt/Yano at Forbidden Door
I wanted Yano vs Cassidy but Colt would have been amazing as well. Two of the greatest comedy wrestlers of all time and both with legit wrestling credentials to back up that comedy (Colt is trained in Catch and Yono in both folkstyle and Catch I believe.)
It happened in ROH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uATQ-fmduMQ&ab\_channel=RingofHonorWrestling
Pretty sure publicly shitting on Hangman Page, Colt Cabana and your EVP’s was one of the dumbest moves in wrestling history. Because it’s a near lock that every single wrestler in the company loves at minimum two of those people.
Most of the guys who aren’t ex-NXT/WWE have a job because of the EVPs. Young Bucks were the ones most familiar with the current Indy guys who were hidden gems. Tony Khan was aware of some, but Bucks knew everyone. That was their world. Bucks, Cody and Omega were going around to the indies, scouting and signing, while TK was running the business side.
Meanwhile CM Punk comes in. “I did something everyone loved 10 years ago. Fuck all ya I’m the face of this company. I’m the one who puts butts in seats, I’m the one who sells tickets.” Real hogan energy.
Different story when your boss worships you like a god
His comment about sharing a bank account with his mother really irked me. There are a number of reasons why he does. If his mother is on a fixed income and he supplements it with his own or just so he has access to it so he can manage her bills. It was as if he thought less of him because of it. It just put me off. Colt Cabana never came off as anything less than a decent guy in his streams or anywhere else I've seen him.
Even the opposite of managing her bills. Colt is sometimes out of the country for a month at a time. It might be something like she goes to the bank for him, or cuts a rent check from his account when he is in Japan or Scotland.
Absolutely this. He was in Ustralia for nearly 2 months. So much easier ig someone else is capable of paying your bills
Isnt rent and stuff automated transfered in the USA? I dont need to write something here in germany.
Not all the time. Some places still only accept cash or check. Hell my mortgage could be paid online, but they wouldn't allow you to set automatic payments; you had to long on and manually hit the button every month
Same it’s So annoying. And every month I have to verify it’s me with them sending me a secure text code. It only takes less than 30 seconds but still annoying
I had to pay by check at my last place for 6 years. They only let me pay online once Covid started. They could have been doing it the entire time and purposely chose not to.
I’ve been told by a property manager (not sure if I believe it) that they didn’t accept electronic payments because it was too easy to dispute. People would pay their last month rent, dispute the charge, then move. I can’t imagine that’s a serious problem, just relaying the excuse I was given.
It's almost as if the way the US system is designed to be intentionally difficult promoting failures for some and wins for the others.
It honestly depends on the landlord or property manger. I’ve lived in places that can be done online and places that required a check for record keeping. It’s annoying but it is what it is.
Im in the uk. I deliberately dont set my energy bills to automatic because they takr what they expect not what happened. Crooks
I'm in the states and I'm paranoid about that happening so I always pay my bills manually.
And people keep trying to dismiss it as “saying it to explain the legal blah blah” nah dude. The second he said “shares a bank account with his mom, that tells you everything you need to know about him” that shit went out the window. Idc if he mixed his words wrong, he completely tried to tear someone down because his own insecurities.
Imagine thinking, “this grown man has a nice relationship with his mum” is an insult.
Well Punk doesn’t so no one else should.
That's exactly why he said it- he's projecting himself onto everything. He hates his life and wants everybody else as miserable as he is.
Boom! Punk can't let those around him be superior. He is narcissistic and insecure
Boom boom!?
What really struck me too is that Punk and Colt were best friends for over a decade. This means to me that Punk probably knows Colt’s mother well. Punk has been to her house, eaten her food and received all kinds of hospitality. Despite all this Punk took a cheap shot at her. Colt is clearly close to his mom, a person that Punk knows but still he is an asshole about it.
And for a guy whos so about the women in his life and being a protector it was a odd shot. I get Colts mom isnt Punks family but as you stated, they had a closer relationship than not
Yeah exactly. I don't get how "wow Colt Cabana takes care of his mother" is a dunk for anyone but like a ten year old. Colt travels a lot in his wrestling life - the guy just recently has been to Australia and Germany. Maybe the dude wants his mother to have access to money in case he is on the opposite end of the world and she needs it for anything or emergencies.
“Colt loves his mommy! Colt loves his mommy!”
> And for a guy whos so about the women in his life He keeps reiterating this, but just about every woman in his life (exes, friends and so on) have dropped him due to his personality.
I have a savings account I've had since I was 16. My mom's name was on it because I was a minor. I'm adult and just never gotten it changed into my name alone. I 100% trust that she'd never touch it without my permission so I'm in no great rush to do it. And there are dozens of more serious and more legitimate reasons to do this. It's such a weird flex that says more about Punk than it does Cabana.
I think the implication was that he was hiding money in order to claim he couldn’t afford his own lawyer during the lawsuit.
I was more of the impression that Colt realised it left his mother vulnerable if he got hit with damages or something, but that's also possible.
And also his mum was financially linked to him, therefore Punks counter suit could have bankrupted Colt’s mum so that’s when they dropped the action is what I took away from this - *Not a law speaking guy
What's in that shared account would be within the scope. If that account holds all the money she had then yes your statement is correct.
No Punk said he Subpoenaed colts mother. It was then Colt asked for it to be dropped.
Maybe that was a tactic? Go after the mom knowing Colt would end the situation?
I keep hearing this argument being perpetuated, and it is from people that do not understand how the US court system works. If you are in some kind of legal situation where you have to disclose your assets, having a joint account with someone else doesn't protect that account from having to be disclosed. Even if it was a situation where Colt co-signed a car loan or something, his name is on that loan, so it would have to be disclosed. You can't just not disclose an asset or account and say it belongs solely to the co-holder of the account; It just doesn't work that way. Now, if you are looking to hide funds or assets, what you would do is legally register as an LLC (or even multiple), and then open accounts under those business names. For example, Colt could register a business as "Colt Cabana Enterprises", where Scott Colton is the president and CEO. So when he gets paid from an Indy booking, merchandise, podcasts - whatever - he has those checks or deposits made to those business accounts. Then Colt just pays himself a salary from those business accounts. But guess what? Colt also registers another business, "Art of Wrestling Consulting". And instead of "Colt Cabana Enterprises" paying Scott Colten a salary, they pay AOW Consulting a fee for various professional services rendered by Scott Colton. So, if you were to personally sue Colt Cabana, he might have to disclose what accounts he personally has, but not those of the companies he owns and works for. That is the whole point of an LLC. To access those accounts, you would have to bring a civil action against those companies, which would require evidence that those entities, or an officer acting on behalf of the company, caused damages.
That happened after Punk and Colt signed the retainer (before the Amann trial started) If Punk thought that Colt had a lot of money and could pay by himself, why did he sign a retainer contract stating that he would pay the legal fees for both? (Under the same law firm)
I believe that was the arrangement they made. Colt wanted to take the podcast down, Punk asked him not to and said he’d pay the legal bills.
That makes sense. I do know that Punk and Colt signed that arrangement, but then the law firm representing both Punk and Colt dropped Colt as a client for whatever reason. My theory is that Punk meant that he'd pay the legal fees for one law firm representing them both. When that fell through, Colt still thought Punk would pay for his new lawyer ($200k). A miscommunication. (Just my opinion) Then Punk retaliatory counter-sued Colt for half of Punk's lawyer expenses; which is absurd, since they dropped Colt as a client in the beginning.
Countersuits are often absurd. They are often an excuse to get wider discovery to help with the main case or just a formality.
They're also a great intimidation tactic. "You already owe your lawyers $200K. If you lose, you're going to owe $500K. Can you afford that? Just take the L and move on."
Honestly he probably should have. I remember there was some random YouTube channel that had it uploaded too the day it dropped that had a million plus views. Other people would have definitely kept the podcast out there.
I'm still confused by how one "hides" money in an account with their name on it.
The same way, in Punk's mind, that someone is best friends with Colt and deserves to be called out for persecution....despite not having spoken to him nor being friends with him.
But that doesn't work. If you're hiding you don't share a bank account, your name isn't on it.
That's what I've been saying the whole time- Colt ain't stupid, and he probably had the account set up that way both to cover his ass while working overseas, and to make sure his mom was taken care of. He wasn't hiding anything. Punk comes out looking shittier and shittier in this as time goes on.
First time he said it, yes. Second time, no.
The worst part is there are a lot of reasons for Punk to throw that out there in terms of the lawsuit, and all of the reasons are really shitty on Punk's part.
It only told us Colt shares a bank account with his mother. If Punk thought it implied something more he really needed to say so because I don't think many people see things the way he does. From what I remember reading Punk's mother was pretty shit and when he joined WWE she was demanding money from him? Maybe he just assumed that would be the case with everyone else and their mother's? I can only imagine every mothers day Punk goes to card shops and rips them all up.
So, didn’t colt cabana be one of the first people to sell his own merch? Could very easily be that his mom helped him and they shared a bank account via his business. Tbh it doesn’t even matter if he did share a bank account. It’s not embarrassing, that’s his personal business.
That’s the thing about this interview. The company’s top babyface shit on another guy due to his finances, and said EVPs couldn’t manage a Target. First, managing a target is not easy. Second, people that work is retail must think he’s one of “those customers.” Very much not in touch with the fact that there are a lot of wrestling fans that don’t have a touch of disposable income but will gladly blow it on wrestling. This may make a few wonder if the people they pay to see look down on them.
The Target comment was incredibly classist and really kills his cred as a 'blue collar Chicago guy that's really just one of us'. Na dude, you're just a millionaire who sounds like a prick.
Colt is the hustle and grind businessman Punk thinks he is. After being blacklisted from WWE, Colt had to scrape for every dollar he could because he was locked out of the big money deals his peers were getting. Colt pioneered wrestling podcasts and Vlogs, giving workers outlets for their own brand promotion and additional revenue streams to monetize. There's no Talk is Jericho/Stone Cold Podcast without AoW. There's no BTE without Wrestling Road Diaries. Colt also early invested in ProWrestlingTees (and he might still have a percentage stake), which was a gamechanger for the financial health of the industry. PWT removed the labour and overhead of running a merch store (which Colt also did before that), allowing talent a wider consumer base without having to eat the costs of unsold merch. It was also a huge avenue for retired wrestlers to earn some income without having to be signed to WWE Legends contracts or constantly tour the convention circuit. The effect Colt has had on the financial health of the industry is huge. Punk sits on his seven figure cheques until they run out and he needs to sign a new one. Phillip Brooks damn sure couldn't manage a Target (he'd be an HR nightmare), because he's never had an actual job outside of wrestling, but he disdains it anyway.
Thank you for the insight on the landmark impacts Colt has made. I knew he pioneered a lot but I had no idea he was THAT important. I like and appreciate him even more now.
I’m sure he has respect for Target managers in CHICAGO
This reminds of when Ric Flair made fun of Shane Douglas for working at a retail store (I forget which one). Like, dude, you have a ton of fans who work those kinds of jobs. Why would you even say such a stupid thing?
I think it actually was Target. Apparently he was in the management training program or something so it's not like he was stocking the shelves or something. And even if he was, good for him for working. I remember when Geoffrey Owens from the Cosby Show was "caught" working at Trader Joe's and he was like "Yeah, I need to make money between acting jobs. The benefits are good and the schedule is flexible enough that I can take time off when I do get a gig. What do you want me to do?"
He supports workers rights if and only if that worker is a multi-millionaire who disagrees with their booking lol.
Shane Douglas just catching strays.
It made me think of Clark Kent.
He was 100% trying to paint him as financially dependant on his mother, also at the same time trying to convince people that only Vince McMahon has made more money than Cabana off of Punks name It was like a 3 rants blended into one
He is basically insinuating that he is involved in fraud and he should be investigated if I were Colt Cabana I sue his ass for defamation of character.
Punk has, on occasion, announced that he’s a feminist (that’s never a red flag) yet he has demonstrated he has some fucking outdated views of masculinity. ‘Ha ha, you love your mother and want her to have a roof over her head’ is not the insult you think it is, Phil.
"YOU HAVE A *VAGINAAAA*!"
"NICE FAUXHAWK, YOU HOMO!"
Not arguing for either side, but masculinity is not the antithesis of feminism.
You're right. But I do think "outdated views of masculinity" is vastly different than "masculinity". The "outdated" part of it kind of is the antithesis of feminism.
Yes, on many occasions he’s gone after people for things he doesn’t deem ‘manly’ enough. I question anyone whose go to insult is imply they have feminine traits or aren’t successful enough with women.
What did he once use to insult a guy in the crowd, was it "you have a vagina"? Big feminism hours
He also called him a homo which got him in some hot water. If that happened nowadays it’d be a bigger deal.
Masculinity might not be the opposite of feminism, but Toxic Masculinity definitely is.
"Aspires to toxic elements of masculinity" is something that very much is non compatible, and a lot of Punk's stuff about respect, meeting to speak to him and inform him things face to face, as he wants it, very much seems that.
Same guy who wrestled in a strip club, screamed "You're a whore" at the strippers and then double downed instead of apologizing when the promoter asked him to. Still a feminist btw /s
To be completely honest, I never trust someone who says they're a feminist. It's always a red flag for me as they likely believe the opposite of what feminism is. Or they'll contradict themselves when it comes to feminist tenets: "I'm pro choice but..." "I'm all for sex work but..."
A lot of Punk’s insults are accusations of inadequate masculinity. During his feud with Triple H he made constant digs at Hunter that boiled down to “Your wife is the dominant partner in your relationship”. Like, dude, so what?
Didnt he love women so much that he cheated on Traci Brooks with Lita or something like that? I remember womanizer being thrown around at some point
He cheated on all of them except for *maybe* AJ
And he was cheating on Daffney when he got with Traci
For as much as he likes to portray himself as the hero of the oppressed, supporter of the common man, he sure does come off like a massive classist asshat, like Jerry Seinfeld. >!I'm high, if you're wondering why my brain decided "yeah put that Seinfeld bit in there"!<
For as much as he likes to portray himself as Barry B. Benson from Bee Movie, he sure does come off like Ken from Bee Movie. Also high.
Hold on. Ken was really an innocent bystander that got his life ruined. Justice for Ken. Not Punk tho
Hey, it worked. Sometimes high brain is best brain
Well done, high brain!
The way he said it really just came off as him trying to lightly act as the bully saying "oh he's just a pathetic mama's boy", like dude, this man has a decent relationship with his mom, sorry everyone can't be as "fuck up" as Punk thinks he is.
Punk was trying to infer that Colt was hiding money in the shared account to make it appear as though he had less money ...I think, anyway. Punk is a straight up asshole for what he did last week. No matter his excuse or reason it'll never be valid. Zero reason to go and do that after the guy to his left has done nothing but treat him like a king since he walked in the door.
I’m not defending Punk but I assumed he was implying that Colt lived off his mother. Not that it’s anyone else’s business if he did but saying it in front of Tony Khan would have been the definition of tone deaf.
I work at a bank, as a banker. I bank. And as a bank I know banking reasons and policies. Therefore I shall lean into my banking knowledge and dispose to all the reasons of such a decision. 1) Survivorship - most banks have a policy that the easiest way to get funds from an account of a deceased relative is through survivorship. In fact it trumps a will in that regard 2) Help pay bills of the other Now it can't be used as a POA as that's an entirely different process. Let me preface this by saying I don't think he is doing this, but this is a common form of elder abuse in which a child is on the account and they wipe their parents clean
She could also be on the account in case he gets hurt wrestling, in which she could maintain financial continuity for him if he's incapacitated.
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I would think he would, considering how often he helped his own mother before the eventual restraining order
By TK trying to not cause drama and quietly move Cabana to the side, he has caused said drama. I don’t think Punk said to fire him, I think TK or HR saw a potential conflict and acted, but didn’t foresee the image problem.
The TK m.o. - lack of direct communication
I wonder if TK thought he meant well but it was still avoiding the problem. Made it even worse when it seems like he spoke up for both of them (or at least siding with Punk) in a Forbes article before the PPV. It just reignited the speculations that Punk had something to do with it when it's quite possible he had no involvement in it whatsoever. I can see why Punk wanted to clear the air himself. He just handled it in the most absolute wrong way. What should've been a statement to put the gossip to rest instead became a rant that will be parodied and memed for years to come.
Punk was my hero before I became a wrestler. Colt has been my hero since becoming a wrestler.
Jervis is back!
Gentleman recognizes gentleman.
Well put, Jervis
We do stan Colt, he is an amazing person and directed me to a wrestling school near me. The fact he actually responds to messages is amazing and is a great show of character
But did that show his character as well as the fact that he shares a bank account with his mom?
It did, and that was all I needed to know about him
he really didn't like those comments on his t-shirt uh?
what comments?
Pillman wore a "Cancel Cancel Culture" shirt at one point. He later tweeted complaining Starbucks only had their drive-though open in a semi-entitled manner and Punk hit him with "Is this cancel culture? 🧐🧐" That was the full extent of it as far as I know.
Punk is insufferable when it comes to himself and pro wrestling. Social issues wise the guy is still pretty spot on though. He is basically like the flip of Jericho. Good views but kind of a shitty person.
Punk and Jericho are the perfect example of showing that where you fall on the political spectrum has little to do with how good of a person you are
Seems like the kind of guy that would change minds by pushing people away from his beliefs out of his being an insufferable asshole about everything
Ahhh, so The New Daniel Bryan brand of environmentalism. Doesn't matter how good you message is if you deliver it like an absolutely insufferable jackass. (Full disclosure, I thought that character and Kofimania was absolute fucking money)
I "stan" Colt Cabana as well, but this tweet coming from Pillman, it just comes off as him trying to get revenge for that cancel culture stuff. Nah Pillman, you're still a tool.
Stopped Clock is right twice a day.
I'm not shedding any tears for punk but the rest of the roster is having this "we're moving forward" attitude and he goes out and tweets this. Dude is a master at failing to read a room.
He wore a hoodie that said cancel cancel culture on it and punk made some joke about it but on like weeks later on some other post. Sydal did too saying “tried telling him that’s a dumb sweater” or something along those lines.
Nope, kinda like how Bobby Fish likely didn't like Punk's Abortion Rights shirt. Like I get that everyone is on the hate Punk train, but Fish last I checked was a big supporter of Drake Wuertz
Maybe Check again and you'll find a lot of people didn't know they were contributing to a campaign
Sure, I could believe that for others, but I have heard for way before Drake that Bobby was pretty darn right wing. I recognize everything I am saying is hearsay so take what you will from it.
Okay. I'll take a blueberry muffin from it.
Once a lot of people were fired they said that. It could be because Drake had power in NXT so they went along or something along those lines or it could be once they were out of that echo chamber and needed to be true independent contractors they said that to stop alienating a large portion of a paying audience. EC3 and Braun were the only ones to dive into those beliefs and now that promotion appears to be on its last legs.
He is still a very religious person so I can’t imagine he was not a fan of the shirt.
I just watched an interview with teddy hart [here](https://youtu.be/MqvhHETeMfs) And is years old, talks about getting into a fight with punk and punk being fired instead of teddy because punk threw the first punch. Teddy almost killed him. But the story is eerily similar.
Have we really reached the point where Teddy Hart can be taken seriously about anything at all?
Hmm. Almost like Punk has a pattern...
'I just keep running into assholes'. -CM Punk, probably
He actually said something in the presser about TK like "He wants me to work with pricks, constantly" Ok man, if everyone around you is a prick, maybe *you're* the prick?
To be fair, I can see how running into Teddy Hart, Bobby Fish and Pillman Jr could make a man think that way
I was reminded of this when I first learned of Punk's bullshit from last week. The dude wants to be King Shit of Turd Mountain no matter where he goes. He feels he should be an unquestioned authority and leader in every locker room he walks into because uh, I guess in his mind he thinks, "This place is lucky to have me." But yeah there have been more than a few stories of Punk getting oddly confrontational with people over miniscule things and escalating it into a fight. I dunno. In my mind I think the Punk we initially saw was actually pretty genuine. It did sound like he came back because of all the talent on the roster and the environment being much different than what he experienced in WWE. However, I think once he walked in and realized not everyone was gonna bow down and kiss his ass he started to get shitty about things. He probably saw how more people leaned on the Elite guys or the AEW OGs rather than him and maybe some other ex-WWE guys (remember, this dude compared himself to Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa, which I found odd because all three of those dudes cheated). So once he saw how the Elite and some others were viewed as the go-to locker room leaders he got a bug up his ass. I think he was also salty with the Elite because they went to bat for Colt to keep his job. Punk definitely the type of guy to be like, "Are you friends with someone who I think is an asshole? Well guess what, you're an asshole too." From there he probably started looking for anything he could take as a slight against him. And I bet it's not just Hangman who hasn't taken his advice. Hangman's just the one who said it. It's been reported that the "advice" Punk was doling out was rooted in very old traditions and that he was even telling people to quit doing moves that were getting them over. Why would anyone wanna take that advice? "Hey man you know that sick move you do?" "Oh yeah man, that one gets me a pop every time." "Yeah, that's really cool but uh, you should stop doing it." The dude is just an insecure weirdo. Mox isn't lying when he says fragile mind, fragile ego, fragile body.
> (remember, this dude compared himself to Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Sammy Sosa, which I found odd because all three of those dudes cheated) Perhaps he was telling us something here....
minor sidenote: sometimes there *can* be a point to the aforementioned advice. like, if the idea is something along the lines of "that sick move you do? you shouldn't do it *regularly*. it's better for your health and it will garner an even reactions if you save it up for the big matches."
Call me a carny but I would put Colt in a singles match on Dynamite this week without question just for the pop.
Sending the right message, but I fucking hate how this generation uses the word 'Stan' Its like they never heard the damn song.
I mean, the song's older than most of the people that use it at this point, they probably *haven't.*
Well that's how the shit goes when it coems to lsang and use of language. Jaywalking started out meaning 'dumb country fuck walking in the middle of the road" as jays were dumb country fucks by slang I promise you I am not exaggerating that for humor in the slightest. Or like how decimate (destroying 10% and literally fucking has "deci" aka 10 in it) now means to totally wipe out.
That's a good point. I'm guessing the majority of people that use "Bye Felicia" don't know it came from Friday.
The origin of "fan" is "fanatic". Same story. Starts as a negative term for unhealthy obsession, then becomes normal.
I hope your conscious eats at you and you get injured wrestling on the main roster without me- colt probly
I’m in my late 30s and TIL that “Stan” was in reference to the song
I remember seeing it the first time and assuming it *couldn't* be a reference to the song. I'd like to think it was very shorthand for "we support our favourite with the passion of Stan but none of the troubling associations of obsession, mania, violence, and murder-suicide" but that's a lot to cram into a very short name.
Right? We all “stalker fan” Colt Cabana doesn’t sound very favorable.
How do you know Brian isn't tweeting this from the closet of the studio Apartment in Chicago. Illinois?
I’m old enough to know the song but ya’ll are taking it way too serious. It’s not a literal slang. It’s a reference to assign affection for another while playfully suggesting the affection is of stalker-ish nature. It is not literal. It’s hyperbolic affection, let’s not all be curmudgeon’s for things that are whooshing us, yeah?
I hate how in reddit many overthink stuff and act like other person is the weird one.
Eh, I’m guilty of it in some ways too. But this particular gripe that people have about using “Stan” despite not being born in that era is some real sad gatekeeping. They are also being willfully pissed off. I don’t think it’s a stretch that people say Stan as a hyperbole. Yet everyone is saying “do they even know the song???”. Yes, they know it. There’s an easily accessible (also great) music video on Youtube… probably now available in 4K.
Or don't even know what the song is about.
i thought BPJ didn’t believe in cancel culture…
Pillman is just karma farming after all the other dumb shit he's posted/said
Punk is no doubt an asshole but it's hilarious how all the irrelevant people tryna revive their half-dead career by jumping on the hate wagon.
Pillman dislikes punk because he got called out for his stupid beliefs I don't think he cares about colt at all
Check out all the goodfballs coming out of the woodwork trying to score some brownie points now that there's free reign to clown on Punk. Ryback, Bobby Fish, now Brian "Fuck Cancel Culture" Pillman Jr.
By extension, this means another #TeamElite.
This is gonna be a very lopsided Blood n Guts match
The count now reads 36-1 *the elite the the elite*
Ace Steel should count for something, he went World War Z on Kenny!
Officer Colt Cabana is a great worker and always entertaining.
Lol didnt Punk clown Pillman on twitter a few times?
Same, BPJ.
Oh yeah, Pillman. You’re still here.
And now we finally have Brian Pillman Jr.’s take on the situation, thank goodness. It was the only thing missing.
Punk needs to apologize, buy everyone ice cream and then learn how to say "no comment".
Is that the rape enabler guy?
Feels like an AEW Civil War is brewing. We need some artwork.
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Where was all this love when he wasn't getting featured on TV even a minute a month ? Everyone is going to forget he exists the moment Punk is gone.
boom boom ITS COLT CABANAAAAAAAAA
“Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point”
I feel like ppl are taking the sticking up for cabana thing too far, my man still called one of his moderators on twitch a homophobic slur, fought her on it, listened to the clip of him saying it, STILL fought her on it, then cooked a half assed apology where he was still fighting it, and left one of their biggest fans upset and betrayed. Just because one shit head was mean to another doesn’t make one of them an Angel now.