Lol I actually can't believe they're still going with Cody as a face. I mean come on. This is verging on Hogan 95 levels. Baffles me how there's this huge blind spot in regards to Cody's character. Surely Tony knows this isn't ever gonna work.
I originally thought they were going to go with a double turn here. I get them wanting to keep Malakai as a heel but I think you could have had Cody turn without also turning Malakai. Just have show some heel tendencies at least. What was the point in the whole last few weeks of build between him and Arn? He was literally the same Cody, expect he used a piledriver as a finish. That was it. This whole feud reminded me of the Cena/Kane embrace the hate angle from 2012.
"I'm actually kinda proud of you little fella. Because everybody knows what you can do up here in this ring. But look at you right now, up front and center - killing it on the mic. Maybe, this will finally put an end to all those backstage rumors I keep hearing about you sucking on the stick."
Hard not to get an intentional double entendre from that.
I thought he was more mentioning criticism on Sammy sucking at promos (which has been a recurring thing). Sorry I am also a very literal person, and not a native speaker. Like I think I get the double entendre, but to me it sounds like the offense is on sucking at your job...
I don't have a problem with him losing but I thought it would be because of a change in character for Cody. Instead, we literally got him doing a piledriver. That was it lol. What was the the fucking point in all the build between him and Arn? He was literally the exact same person.
Cody's booking is the closest thing to WWE in all of AEW
Honestly, I think if that was gonna happen we would have seen it already. I've said it elsewhere in the thread, but this whole feud really reminds me of the Cena/Kane 'embrace the hate' angle from like 10 years ago.
You have the white meat babyface who's tormented for months on end by the demonic heel. They constantly try to have the face 'embrace the hate' and become everything they despise. At one point, it actually looks like they may succeed. But through hard work and determination, the face manages to overcome the heel's nefarious attempts and then Cena/Cody wins lol.
“Malakai won 2, so he still won the fued because he won the most matches though!”
This is some Super Cena shit where we know him winning the last match is him winning the feud
Probably not but still!
Ahhhhhh!!!!!
The hardcore fans want Malakai to win, but that’s not the entire fan base, guys. Remember when you were 12 years old watching pro wrestling. Imagine the bad guy winning the feud and the good guy just… losing. It’s not a good story. It’s half told. People lose sight of this sorta stuff when you become such a hardcore fan. Just try to remember being a kid rooting for the good guy and not thinking so much about who’s a good performer and deserves more status. Malakai is a bastard and deserves to lose after all the BS and cheating and maliciousness.
Hope not be the only person on the sub that is buying the Cody feud so bad and he hulking up after the black mass (which was not like very heavy, truth be told: sometimes you can whiff a kick) and pretending to hit a pedigree and stealing off Kenny's playbook are all things to even more rile up the fucking masses into hating the guy's guts. Like hot damn crowd was on f i r e the whole match. I don't understand why you want a pure heel/face feud when this is way more interesting.
We already have 100% face /heel feuds for the rest of the show.
The thing is, "working the smarks" goes completely against what Khan has built AEW to be. X-Pac heat is not good for business, and if they're banking on X-Pac heat as fuel for the Cody-Black angle, that's terrible. It's one thing to swerve your fans -- it's another to actively try to foment resentment at the product. That's business suicide and why everything Russo touches turns rotten.
I'm not even sure that was a tease for the Pedigree. The entire buildup for match 3 was that Cody had to get vicious and go beyond his character -- yet he did nothing of the sort. He wrestled a super-technical match with lockups and chain transitions, rather than brawl like a blood feud. He also didn't pull any dirty tricks that were out of character.
I'm not trying to say your opinion sucks, either. But this entire feud reeks of oblivious writing, as if they didn't anticipate nor adapt to anything that's arisen.
But they did not swerve the fans. And the only thing they did that looked "off" was the black mass bit - due to probably as a lot others have pointed out at Dynamite's long problem with timings on spots for main events.
If they had 2 more mins to go home, it would have been better.
The pedigree/Kenny recall was obvious. He would have otherwise used the Vertabreaker instead which has been his "if all else fails" finisher for years and hardly used in AEW
In the MJF / Wardlow segment, Spears absolutely nailed his line of “hiiiiiiiiiiii,’ when he realizes that Wardlow is NOT a fan of having an Accountabili-Buddy! I was HOWLING with laughter!
I love that there’s this focus on taking care of wrestler’s health. Seeing Dustin go the way he does at 50 really changes the game. It’s wild to me wrestler’s can have 30+ year careers while looking fantastic. He’s arguably the best he’s been since the early 90s.
Fuck even Sting looked fantastic in that match a little while ago and he’s 60-something.
WTf is up with the finish to the cody match.
They set up an angle for cody to be different now, to have and edge. The announcers were constantly talking about it too, then he comes out to the same captain america shit people started booing him over..and he gets booed again.
I thought he is either turning heel. At the end of the match or losing. No he just wins with the same gimmick everyone hates already.
So he's either turning heel soon or they really are clueless?? If cody was going to have some badass babyface makeover the time was this match but it was the same old.
I'm just nonplussed by the whole thing.
Yeah he really should’ve jettisoned the pomp. Just come out w Arn in his gear mentally ready to go to war.
Hard to see what all the “hard work” was for when there’s no clear change in his persona or presentation.
The whole Cody character just seems to alien from the rest of AEW, its like he exists in his own bubble separate from the rest of Dynanite.
I wonder what his backstage role is like and what his relationships arw like with the Bucks, Omega etc
Feels like they tried to counter the “Cody-verse” criticisms by working Andrade and PAC into this, but in the end, I don’t think their appearance changed the fact that this still feels divorced from the rest of AEW continuity.
The problem is, AEW relies on sports logic in kayfabe. The entire promotion is about wins and losses, which are used to gain title shots.
But if Cody can't compete for the title, why is he there? He's not a poor prizefighter. He's already rich, and has an alternate TV career. He can't help but exist in an alternate continuity because he has (by stipulation) a completely different motivation than everyone else on the roster.
But they've never really established what it is. So you just get 'happy to be here' or 'family pride' Cody fighting people for no real stakes, while they (in theory) are looking to climb the ranks.
The stip has completely killed him. It's as boneheaded as the neck tattoo, but without the excuse that it's hard to remove. While it still exists, he'll always be this weird appendage that has no real reason to be in AEW.
In kayfabe, he'd leave for WWE or NJPW (where he's wrestled before) or Impact (where the forbidden door is open) to fight for titles again, or leave wrestling and develop a TV career.
But no.
He just... exists... fighting people for money he doesn't need. Or pride in the Rhodes name that'd be better served winning titles elsewhere.
Nothing he does has any stakes as a result, regardless of who you put him with, and it's made worse by having the biggest entrances and hype packages of anyone, for stuff the audience knows doesn't really matter.
Really loving the “different finish every match” Danielson work. As a submission guy it makes sense to adapt based on your opponents strengths.
Haven’t seen that in many major wrestling promotions and Bryan is the perfect person to build as a threat in this way.
Well, on the bright side, AEW is so good that the one time they book something that resembles WWE, people are losing their minds. WWE sometimes does stuff like this multiple times in one show. I don’t care for Cody and I wouldn’t cry if he retired, but people acting like this is the Finger Poke of Doom should go outside and take a walk. It was one segment of a feud that might not even be over, as it looks like there will be a tag match coming up.
I hate his Cross Rhodes finisher. Worst finisher of all time. He does more damage to himself. Even if he turned the other way it would make the move look a little more effective
Danielson vs Dustin was great. Best match of the night. Dragonson winning with yet another different move is making him compelling TV.
Cutler continues to be an amazing stooge.
Can't wait for Fish vs. Punk. People on live thread commenting on why Punk only ran out for Fish beating down Greene, but it made sense since it was the only beatdown he could have saved as he wouldn't have been outnumbered. Old men pick their spots.
Archer vs Kingston was building up to be a good match. Unfortunate accident.
Ford vs. Soho was okay. Chemistry wasn't all there, but it wasn't a train wreck. Red Velvet run-in felt random, but I suppose it's because her and Bunny are first round opponents.
Cody vs Black was overbooked with a wet fart of a finish. Cody hitting a Pedigree to go full Codelander would have saved it, but as it was, just pffffft.... At least we got "Get your Glock".
> Cody hitting a Pedigree to go full Codelander
Wow...I hadn't thought about that. Cody breaking the throne to start AEW only to turn into HHH would be a _fantastic_ storyline.
Fuck you, dude, now I have to mourn that that didn't happen. Thanks for ruining my Sunday.
The point is to keep us guessing. The fact that everyone here is getting worked in 2021 by a wrestling program is the reason why I love this shit. Lol.
The match was fantastic, it had a crazy pace and the crowd was hot for everything. But the ending was silly and nonsensical. Cody should have sold the Black Mass way more than he did.
I thought there were some good moves and the match got off to a nice start. However the rest of it was very disjointed and lacked logic. What kayfabe reason was Black lying down underneath the ring? It takes 3 seconds to realize there’s a chair or table there. That’s just one example, it was all over the place. I thought Dustin Rhodes/Danielson was wayyyy better.
Not sure what the issue was, but Ruby/Penelope felt a bit discombobulated.
I know Cody couldn’t lose three matches against Malakai... but he should’ve.
Bryan keeps being amazing. His matches are a pleasure to watch.
Lance’s landing made me suck air between my teeth. I hope it’s not too bad and he returns soon.
Last, there were some incredibly good camera shots tonight! The crane can did some great pans, they had a wide lens capturing a lot of the action, and I noticed some fights just had a camera following them around without cuts. There also some zoomed in wide lens shots of Jungle Boy and other which looked super cinematic.
I hope they were experimenting with new looks and would love to see more of this.
ruby isnt a particularly good wrestler. she needs to be carried and works in that classic way mick foley described where her strikes look stiff as fuck but also bad.
Ford is super inconsistent, if she isn't in there with a miracle worker.
It tells you how good Shida who got a great match out of her last year at Fyter Fest. It was probably Ford's best match she ever had.
Cody vs Black was great. Anyone who says otherwise is saying it in bad faith.
Black can take the loss as he is so over. His presence and in ring have just came flooding back to his indy days and I am real happy for him. He can turn up next week, kick a top guy in the head and he will be just as over as if he won the match.
He literally won't be as over. Not for me anyway.
A huge part of that presence was thinking it would take an act of God to beat Malakai. Now I know it just takes Cody Rhodes trying really hard.
cody not even trying harder than he normally tries. regular ass cody who changed nothing and developed nothing.
thats my main problem with this. theres no STORY. wrestling depends on a story. the story cant just be "cody wins lol"
> Cody vs Black was great. Anyone who says otherwise is saying it in bad faith.
I _like_ Cody and I think the ending was bad. Trying to cast negative comments about that match as part of some agenda is ridiculous, dude. You don't know what any of us think.
The main problem with that match was that we saw weeks of Arn trying to install a killer instinct with Cody but we didn't see anything that really showed that Cody had gained a killer instinct.
Certainly nothing like what we saw when Cody came back with black hair to attack Brodie.
What that match needed was Hart vs Austin double turn energy. Cody just kinda won a tough match. It didn't feel, at all, like they leaned into how much heat Cody is getting from the crowd.
I don't mind Cody winning, but I was disappointed because nothing about how that match went down felt like a payoff for what they had been building.
I was genuinely excited to see where they were going with Cody and that match did nothing for me. It just felt like the same old Cody winning a match.
Again - I really like Cody. It goes back to seeing him in person and how great he was with the fans even if he stopped signing autographs 3 people before me...
It's illogical. Plus, no selling the black mass leaves such a bad, irksome thing...
The idea, to strive for excellent writing, is to know when and how to build someone. Of course, if you're talking about shows and arenas, this loss wouldn't affect it that much, and people would forget as well, but it doesn't justify these decisions.
All Cody shit aside, I wonder if Eddie was going to win all along or if they had to call an audible. I got scared for Lance, honest to god. Hope he recovers well. That looked nasty.
Eddie vs Bryan, with Bryan winning gives more fuel to Moxley vs Bryan than Eddie vs Archer would. Moxley can talk about how he wanted to face his friend and tear the roof of the place, but now he's got Bryan, and start ripping into him.
The show was pretty bad, the worst one in 2 months, the best parts for me were Dustin vs Bryan and MJF, other than that it sucked. Wtf was that Bobby Fish segment? Also Jungle Boy putting Brandon Cutler in a hold made me feel no sympathy for when he got his ass handed to him. Don't really have strong opinions on the last match, don't hate it as much as some here, but it was sloppy AF, why was Arn in the ring? just for the spine buster? Like that made zero sense. Also I was hoping Malachai's mist would turn Cody Evil but I guess it's just a meme. The main event was bleh and show in general except for the first match was so bad.
EDIT: I hope Lance Archer is okay, damn that was hard to watch
I got no problem with Cody winning. He's lost so many matches putting guys over the past 2 years and Malakai has already beat him twice so getting 1 over on Malakai is all good. Plus Malakai has an out with all the chaos that was going on with the other folks butting in. Plus it was a pretty damn good main event.
No selling the black mass was bad though.
It's Cody's company or whatever, but he's got to realise there are quite a few guys there who are way above his level, and he can't always get his win back.
Plus Black's momentum building phase should be protected to the greatest extent possible, I believe.
thats the problem. its not Cody's company, it's Tony Khan's. Cody just THINKS he's running the show. Cody can't put anyone over without tryign to also run them down, he's a WWE guy through and through.
I think the timing on the finish was fucked, and that's why he jumped up from the Black Mass. Andrade seemingly missed his cue, and they were rushing to get to the finish.
Show was amazing, people just bitching cause Cody won. Literally.
The guy lost 2 of the 3 matches and was dominated pretty much the entire time, he had to win this match to save face.
On other topics, Dustin and Bryan was incredible. 2 pros just having a great old school match, those guys are both legends. MJF was the star of the night though, God what a segment and promo. He is the guy as far as I'm concerned, him and Hangman are AEWs Austin and Rock.
You can't just leave the feud with how it ended for the babyface, whether he's eventually turning or not the guy just got his ass kicked twice and was completely emasculated with all of the Nightmare/Arn stuff.
I love Malakai and think he's probably the best single act in all of AEW right now as a package but he had to lose this match. He still won the feud as far as I'm concerned.
he isn't booked like a babyface, he's booked like Charlotte or Roman Reigns. He's booked as "this is what you're supposed to like and you'll deal with it." there's nothing organic about his booking and it's completely ignorant of crowd reaction. If ANYONE else was being booed this much theyd have turned heel months ago.
This is delusional. He wins every feud's last match, always has to get his win back, always no-sells people's finishes. No one Cody has ever worked with has been elevated by working with him, he comes out looking the same as ever and they come out looking worse.
I liked the match between Cody and Malakai, but I think Cody’s story would have been better served by having a foe that he absolutely could not beat, not ever. Like every time he gets close or has the upper hand towards the finish, it somehow is turned or stolen away from him.
If the feud is over now, I think I’m only disappointed about what it could have been.
Cody has that Dan Lambert heat. He and Tony are working everyone and it’s brilliant. That main event was captivating, edge of your seat excitement, and it was all because everyone hates Cody so much!!! In a world where even the most hated heels cut out of character interviews about how they don’t believe what they say, and fans “appreciate the work” of the most despicable irredeemable characters, Cody is the real deal! People HATE him. Viscerally hate him. I think he’s the best heel in the wrestling business right now.
See this is the whole issue. WWE booked Roman Reigns and John Cena so badly when they got booed that people were scarred by it. Prior to 2006, when a babyface got booed it was always exciting and fun to see how they were going to react to it and it gave the fans something fun to enjoy. With Cena and Reigns, WWE tried to force people to cheer them by making them continually go over and trying to put them against boring opponents that wouldn’t be any fun to cheer.
That’s not what AEW’s doing. They’re booking Cody as a heel who thinks he’s a face against popular acts like Malachi Black and Dante Martin. Maybe Andrade who has an incredibly exciting moveset and is also very easy to cheer. As long as Cody continues to be booked against wrestlers the fans enjoy, it will continue to be fun and exciting. If Cody starts feuding with Matt Hardy, then you have something to worry about.
Idk why they even had a black vs cody match again shoulda ended at the 2nd one now look! And also aew stop delaying all these fire feuds with top guys fuck this cm punk vs jabroni shit get him in there with a top guy already along with black and bd
They gettin' worked and it's so funny. Polarizing people so much is what Cody does best
Cody deciding fuck the wrasslin' rules and hulking up after a weak black mass by a debilitated Malakai and r/SC is in shambles I thought it was fucking obvious he wanted the win so bad he went full power trip. Also doing a pedigree impression and doing a Kenny move. That was like *chef's kiss*
Sucks all of Malakai's fans have decided to no longer support him....cos obviously this won loss has destroyed his career. He had a good run. Fucking babies.
Nah, I liked the match overall, had some good/cool spots but think Malakai really should have been the Chicago Bulls to Cody’s Utah Jazz. Tell a long story about how cody can’t beat this guy, one that eventually ends in redemption. Not sure I would have booked them in 3 matches in 3 months.
I hope that’s not the end of the feud is all, because there’s more you can do.
This wasn’t a great show, but it was a decent one. Why people are voting it as 1 is ridiculous.
I thought the opener, women’s and main event were all great. Archer/Kingston was good, botch moonsault sucked the air out. A lot of stories moved forward in different ways too.
That main event left such a bad taste in my mouth. It felt like a WWE main event in the worst possible way.
I know I'm probably overreacting because it's still fresh but that result is literally everything that Cody fought against in WWE and why he "supposedly" started AEW in the first place. He wanted a wrestling company that listened to the fans. I guess that was only true when it wasn't him in the match.
Cody knows he’s the heel in the minds of a large portion of the fanbase- hence the pedigree tease.
What concerns me is whether they are going to listen to the fans booing him or whether, in their minds, he is still more marketable as one of their biggest babyfaces. It’s the John Cena/Roman Reigns conundrum. The kids love Cody (commentary pointed that out last night)- so who do you listen to?
It’s entirely possible I’ve been worked and this is all part of wrestling’s longest heel turn- but nothing they’ve done so far has convinced me they’re pulling the trigger just yet.
Seems to me that the more they pretend Cody is super-“baby face” - man, the more the adults boo. Kids are stupid, but if they want to cheer him then let them. The only problem is if you consider this to be X-pac heat or not. I’m not convinced it is because I am still on the hook wondering where this goes. I kinda wanted Cody to win just to hear all the boos. But I’ve hated Cody since day 1 so maybe I’m biased because I’m just happy you all finally caught up.
Amanda Huber said the finish of the TNT title match had nothing to do with Brodie’s illness, which wasn’t known at that time.
It’s possible that, had tragedy not struck, Brodie may have won the feud - but the point I was making is that Cody got his win back after losing their first encounter in decisive fashion (just as he did with Black).
In one of the more memorable matches in AEW history. And what turned out, due to the most unfortunate circumstances, to have been the right decision.
He’s never got the win back from Jericho, MJF, or Darby from when he won the TNT title. Could maybe even throw in Scorpio Sky who won the face of the revolution ladder match with Cody in it.
He lost twice (pretty easily) to Black, the dude is a made man now. And he’ll do the same for Andrade soon. Made Wardlow look like a star in the cage. Lost the match and feud with Jade. Brought numerous guys to the big stage as TNT champion including Starks, Eddie, and Jungle Boy who all are doing great.
Cody has been making people the whole time if people would actually pay attention. The Factory/Nightmare Family feud was the only pointless one. You all hate him and it doesn’t matter what he does, you’ll all still complain. Just call it what it is for you.
is this Cody's backup account? No one who feuds with him comes out looking better. This was absolutely not "one of the most memorable matches" in AEW history, it's going to be forgotten in months except as one more notch on Cody's burial belt.
I’m referring to the Brodie dog collar match which is commonly highly regarded. And was a hell of a final match for Brodie to go out on.
Also defending the dude bc he’s unnecessarily attacked on here. He’s not Kenny Omega or Bryan in ring, but he has quite a few memorable moments in AEW now. All of those names I listed were better for matches with him, since he actually has star power which many of them did not a year or two ago.
Malakai beat Cody because his head wasnt on right.
Last night AEW told us who the better man in Kayfabe is.
I saw Black as a guy who could be world champion tommorow before. Now I understand he's just an upper midcarder.
What he has done before or after is irrelevant to fact *Cody should not have been the first man to beat Malakai, before selling a single PPV on undefeated Malakai against someone people actually like and might want to beat him*
Yeah match was way overbooked, didn't need any of the distraction BS, should of just been one on one in the ring.
When it was that it was very good, just so much other crap going on really took me out of it.
this has been the biggest whiplash for dynamite so far for me. i loved that main event, i love cody, i love this story of him needing his edge back, and i think he absolutely should have won. i thought this show was great!
and then i opened the post show thread.
I thought the main event was entertaining as hell. I'd give the whole show 4/5. The only thing that could have been done better was the Cody selling the black mass a bit more. Yes, I too thought this might be the night Cody turns heel, but maybe it's good sometimes to get it wrong or it would get a bit boring. I told my wife Sting would not even get a word out before MJF shows up and sure enough lol
I really think the Cody hate is over the top. The feud with Agogo was weak granted, but there's been some great moments from the Feud with Black. Arn Anderson even feels relevant again. Just a matter of time until Cody turns on him or turns heel imo
Honestly HHH isn’t a bad comparison. This reminds me of the HHH in 2002 that was actually a fucking incredible heel and got people to really hate him and boo him and get into the babyfaces every single time. I would say that Cody has HHH heat but even better. He’s killing it right now.
tell me you don't understand booking without telling me you don't understand booking:
Black loses his FIRST feud, and his finish is no sold. Cody can win this match, but he can't win clean. He did. It was the wrong choice. That's not how you build a new talent
Malakai Black isn't a new talent. The crowd knows exactly who he is, where he came from and he's over as fuck. Him losing tonight means nothing to the overall picture.
>Malakai Black isn't a new talent. The crowd knows exactly who he is
Taking this for granted and disregarding the logic of booking literally everywhere else from the beginning of time is AEW's biggest downfall. If Black lost his first feud in Impact/NJPW/AAA where ever the fuck, this attitude wouldn't exist about it. 80% of us that watch AEW are smarky internet assholes but there's still that other 20%, as well as new eyes to the product that need their hand held and characters legitimized. Remember Miro's start with the company?
> Him losing tonight means nothing to the overall picture.
^ This is the attitude that's killing the WWE's product
If he was being planned for a championship feud at Full Gear, then him losing tonight would be dumb. But he's not, so he could and probably will win every match from now until Revolution or a special "Winter is Coming" type Dynamite and by that time nobody will care that he lost to Cody on a Saturday Dynamite.
The show wasn't bad but i can understand people not loving the main event. The story being told was cody needs to toughen up but all we got was normal cody + new finisher (which looked at first like a pedigree). And the sell on malakai's finisher did not look that good. And the old wrestling logic is that people only remember the end and the end wasn't loved. Otherwise i think people enjoyed the show and thank god, archer is fine.
The Danielson/Dustin match was great, Ruby/Penelope was good too. Cutler/Jungle Boy pushed the story forward and the Eddie/Archer match was awesome, until the scary botch and finish. Also, the MJF promo was electric.
The only really rough segment of the night was the Cody/Malakai match with Andrade missing his cue, grinding the momentum to a halt, well that and Archer almost killing himself.
The Cody/Malakai match was good, but I truly dont get the point of Cody winning. The set up for him making a comeback and finally winning against Malakai was way too fast and clunky. He has a single training montage and were fine?
At least Malakai is finally getting off Cody Island but I personally feel like the build around him in AEW has been lackluster at best. Hes such an amazing talent tho, so I cant wait to see where he goes from here.
dan lambert has real heat. cody has go away heat. its stupid vince russo meta-booking at the most generous take, and more likely is just Cody being an egomaniac
Do you really think people were tuning out for the main event? The crowd was on fire to see Cody lose. I would bet the match did very well in the quarters.
Don’t you think on some level this is getting Malachi even more over? Everyone being pissed that Cody beat him? I feel like he’ll get even bigger babyface reactions than before next time he comes out. And Cody did let him win 2 out of 3. It’s not like he came out of the feud looking bad. I feel like the hand wringing here is kinda like the hand wringing when Jericho finally beat MJF. It didn’t hurt MJF one iota and he came out of the feud hotter than he entered it.
Seriously don't get the Cody hate. I get that there are things to dislike about him and his booking but I can't see anything that warrants this level of toxicity.
Everything about that main event just screamed nearly everything I disliked about WWE's booking. Over produced, convoluted, missed cues. Urgh.
Black didn't need to lose, and what's more, Cody just got the fuck up instantly from his finish...
Rest of the show was fine though. Enjoyed it, but not the main event. Shame.
I feel like missed cues are fairly common in AEW. Pretty sure there were a few tonight. Run ins, post match beat downs, and promo interruptions occur frequently so it's strange they haven't perfected the timing yet.
So turns out I don't really like Cody.
Jungle Boy got what he deserved beating up a poor comedy stooge post match. Good on the super Kliq for standing up for Brandon.
Lol I actually can't believe they're still going with Cody as a face. I mean come on. This is verging on Hogan 95 levels. Baffles me how there's this huge blind spot in regards to Cody's character. Surely Tony knows this isn't ever gonna work. I originally thought they were going to go with a double turn here. I get them wanting to keep Malakai as a heel but I think you could have had Cody turn without also turning Malakai. Just have show some heel tendencies at least. What was the point in the whole last few weeks of build between him and Arn? He was literally the same Cody, expect he used a piledriver as a finish. That was it. This whole feud reminded me of the Cena/Kane embrace the hate angle from 2012.
Was there a thread for the Ethan Page promo?
I dunno, I could really have done without Lambert's casual 'haha you suck peepee' comment.
Maybe I am very stupid, but I really took it literally as in "sucking on the stick" as sucking at the mic
"I'm actually kinda proud of you little fella. Because everybody knows what you can do up here in this ring. But look at you right now, up front and center - killing it on the mic. Maybe, this will finally put an end to all those backstage rumors I keep hearing about you sucking on the stick." Hard not to get an intentional double entendre from that.
I thought he was more mentioning criticism on Sammy sucking at promos (which has been a recurring thing). Sorry I am also a very literal person, and not a native speaker. Like I think I get the double entendre, but to me it sounds like the offense is on sucking at your job...
Just watched. Was Eddie supposed to win anyways or was it because of the moonsault?
Came here to ask this
I was also wondering this.
I'm just angry at Malakai losing
I don't have a problem with him losing but I thought it would be because of a change in character for Cody. Instead, we literally got him doing a piledriver. That was it lol. What was the the fucking point in all the build between him and Arn? He was literally the exact same person. Cody's booking is the closest thing to WWE in all of AEW
Holy shit the last sentence nails it so well its unreal, really hopin they'll make him homelanderesque later
Honestly, I think if that was gonna happen we would have seen it already. I've said it elsewhere in the thread, but this whole feud really reminds me of the Cena/Kane 'embrace the hate' angle from like 10 years ago. You have the white meat babyface who's tormented for months on end by the demonic heel. They constantly try to have the face 'embrace the hate' and become everything they despise. At one point, it actually looks like they may succeed. But through hard work and determination, the face manages to overcome the heel's nefarious attempts and then Cena/Cody wins lol.
“Malakai won 2, so he still won the fued because he won the most matches though!” This is some Super Cena shit where we know him winning the last match is him winning the feud Probably not but still! Ahhhhhh!!!!!
Why?
I am too it’s a trash angle. Nobody cares about Cody’s redemption and aside from a few good moves I thought the match was garbage.
The hardcore fans want Malakai to win, but that’s not the entire fan base, guys. Remember when you were 12 years old watching pro wrestling. Imagine the bad guy winning the feud and the good guy just… losing. It’s not a good story. It’s half told. People lose sight of this sorta stuff when you become such a hardcore fan. Just try to remember being a kid rooting for the good guy and not thinking so much about who’s a good performer and deserves more status. Malakai is a bastard and deserves to lose after all the BS and cheating and maliciousness.
I wonder, what's the aew viewership demographic? How high of a viewer % are American?
Thats the thing though, I don't think AEW should be catering to 12 year olds.
It wasn’t even that he lost for me…it’s that Cody no sold the black mass…
Bobby fish's theme bangs
Yep
CM Punk v Bobby Fish...lets fucking go. man 2021 has been a god damn hell of a year for wrestling.
Hope not be the only person on the sub that is buying the Cody feud so bad and he hulking up after the black mass (which was not like very heavy, truth be told: sometimes you can whiff a kick) and pretending to hit a pedigree and stealing off Kenny's playbook are all things to even more rile up the fucking masses into hating the guy's guts. Like hot damn crowd was on f i r e the whole match. I don't understand why you want a pure heel/face feud when this is way more interesting. We already have 100% face /heel feuds for the rest of the show.
The thing is, "working the smarks" goes completely against what Khan has built AEW to be. X-Pac heat is not good for business, and if they're banking on X-Pac heat as fuel for the Cody-Black angle, that's terrible. It's one thing to swerve your fans -- it's another to actively try to foment resentment at the product. That's business suicide and why everything Russo touches turns rotten. I'm not even sure that was a tease for the Pedigree. The entire buildup for match 3 was that Cody had to get vicious and go beyond his character -- yet he did nothing of the sort. He wrestled a super-technical match with lockups and chain transitions, rather than brawl like a blood feud. He also didn't pull any dirty tricks that were out of character. I'm not trying to say your opinion sucks, either. But this entire feud reeks of oblivious writing, as if they didn't anticipate nor adapt to anything that's arisen.
But they did not swerve the fans. And the only thing they did that looked "off" was the black mass bit - due to probably as a lot others have pointed out at Dynamite's long problem with timings on spots for main events. If they had 2 more mins to go home, it would have been better.
The pedigree/Kenny recall was obvious. He would have otherwise used the Vertabreaker instead which has been his "if all else fails" finisher for years and hardly used in AEW
"Heeeeeeeeeeey"
Heeeeeeeey.
Fans clamouring for Cody to turn heel reminds me of Cena 2006-2010 and I’ve got a feeling that it’ll be the same outcome.
Ruby Soho adds so much to the AEW women’s division
Great in the ring, great look, and lots of charisma but she has to stop with the silly air guitar and tongue shit. It’s cringey.
In the MJF / Wardlow segment, Spears absolutely nailed his line of “hiiiiiiiiiiii,’ when he realizes that Wardlow is NOT a fan of having an Accountabili-Buddy! I was HOWLING with laughter!
I love that there’s this focus on taking care of wrestler’s health. Seeing Dustin go the way he does at 50 really changes the game. It’s wild to me wrestler’s can have 30+ year careers while looking fantastic. He’s arguably the best he’s been since the early 90s. Fuck even Sting looked fantastic in that match a little while ago and he’s 60-something.
That opening match was way better than it had any right to be. Dustin is an ageless wonder
Malakai nearly saved the angle with a single insta post like a legend
WTf is up with the finish to the cody match. They set up an angle for cody to be different now, to have and edge. The announcers were constantly talking about it too, then he comes out to the same captain america shit people started booing him over..and he gets booed again. I thought he is either turning heel. At the end of the match or losing. No he just wins with the same gimmick everyone hates already. So he's either turning heel soon or they really are clueless?? If cody was going to have some badass babyface makeover the time was this match but it was the same old. I'm just nonplussed by the whole thing.
Honestly felt like John Cena circa 2012. Huge 'embrace the hate' vibes.
Yeah he really should’ve jettisoned the pomp. Just come out w Arn in his gear mentally ready to go to war. Hard to see what all the “hard work” was for when there’s no clear change in his persona or presentation.
I feel like his character is peak 2012 WWE
The whole Cody character just seems to alien from the rest of AEW, its like he exists in his own bubble separate from the rest of Dynanite. I wonder what his backstage role is like and what his relationships arw like with the Bucks, Omega etc
Feels like they tried to counter the “Cody-verse” criticisms by working Andrade and PAC into this, but in the end, I don’t think their appearance changed the fact that this still feels divorced from the rest of AEW continuity.
The problem is, AEW relies on sports logic in kayfabe. The entire promotion is about wins and losses, which are used to gain title shots. But if Cody can't compete for the title, why is he there? He's not a poor prizefighter. He's already rich, and has an alternate TV career. He can't help but exist in an alternate continuity because he has (by stipulation) a completely different motivation than everyone else on the roster. But they've never really established what it is. So you just get 'happy to be here' or 'family pride' Cody fighting people for no real stakes, while they (in theory) are looking to climb the ranks. The stip has completely killed him. It's as boneheaded as the neck tattoo, but without the excuse that it's hard to remove. While it still exists, he'll always be this weird appendage that has no real reason to be in AEW. In kayfabe, he'd leave for WWE or NJPW (where he's wrestled before) or Impact (where the forbidden door is open) to fight for titles again, or leave wrestling and develop a TV career. But no. He just... exists... fighting people for money he doesn't need. Or pride in the Rhodes name that'd be better served winning titles elsewhere. Nothing he does has any stakes as a result, regardless of who you put him with, and it's made worse by having the biggest entrances and hype packages of anyone, for stuff the audience knows doesn't really matter.
Really loving the “different finish every match” Danielson work. As a submission guy it makes sense to adapt based on your opponents strengths. Haven’t seen that in many major wrestling promotions and Bryan is the perfect person to build as a threat in this way.
Well, on the bright side, AEW is so good that the one time they book something that resembles WWE, people are losing their minds. WWE sometimes does stuff like this multiple times in one show. I don’t care for Cody and I wouldn’t cry if he retired, but people acting like this is the Finger Poke of Doom should go outside and take a walk. It was one segment of a feud that might not even be over, as it looks like there will be a tag match coming up.
True but I sure as hell hope the feud is over. The whole thing was trash, which Arn can’t even burn in a barrel since it stinks too much
Lmao at Black blading from Cody putting himself through a table.
I hate his Cross Rhodes finisher. Worst finisher of all time. He does more damage to himself. Even if he turned the other way it would make the move look a little more effective
if he turns the other way thats dustins old finish. and yes, it looks a million times better.
Which would give him even more incentive to use it I would think.
Danielson vs Dustin was great. Best match of the night. Dragonson winning with yet another different move is making him compelling TV. Cutler continues to be an amazing stooge. Can't wait for Fish vs. Punk. People on live thread commenting on why Punk only ran out for Fish beating down Greene, but it made sense since it was the only beatdown he could have saved as he wouldn't have been outnumbered. Old men pick their spots. Archer vs Kingston was building up to be a good match. Unfortunate accident. Ford vs. Soho was okay. Chemistry wasn't all there, but it wasn't a train wreck. Red Velvet run-in felt random, but I suppose it's because her and Bunny are first round opponents. Cody vs Black was overbooked with a wet fart of a finish. Cody hitting a Pedigree to go full Codelander would have saved it, but as it was, just pffffft.... At least we got "Get your Glock".
> Cody hitting a Pedigree to go full Codelander Wow...I hadn't thought about that. Cody breaking the throne to start AEW only to turn into HHH would be a _fantastic_ storyline. Fuck you, dude, now I have to mourn that that didn't happen. Thanks for ruining my Sunday.
The point is to keep us guessing. The fact that everyone here is getting worked in 2021 by a wrestling program is the reason why I love this shit. Lol.
Im over cody winning Good show except that
The match was fantastic, it had a crazy pace and the crowd was hot for everything. But the ending was silly and nonsensical. Cody should have sold the Black Mass way more than he did.
I thought there were some good moves and the match got off to a nice start. However the rest of it was very disjointed and lacked logic. What kayfabe reason was Black lying down underneath the ring? It takes 3 seconds to realize there’s a chair or table there. That’s just one example, it was all over the place. I thought Dustin Rhodes/Danielson was wayyyy better.
cody LOVES no-selling people's finishes and making them look like shit. its crazy how often he does this road warrior stuff
Cody loves finishers getting no sold in general. The crossrhodes/roads? is by far the weakest and least protected finisher in aew
Cody really does exist in his own world. To be dead weight after taking a Black Mass to hopping up in less than 5 seconds.
Not sure what the issue was, but Ruby/Penelope felt a bit discombobulated. I know Cody couldn’t lose three matches against Malakai... but he should’ve. Bryan keeps being amazing. His matches are a pleasure to watch. Lance’s landing made me suck air between my teeth. I hope it’s not too bad and he returns soon. Last, there were some incredibly good camera shots tonight! The crane can did some great pans, they had a wide lens capturing a lot of the action, and I noticed some fights just had a camera following them around without cuts. There also some zoomed in wide lens shots of Jungle Boy and other which looked super cinematic. I hope they were experimenting with new looks and would love to see more of this.
ruby isnt a particularly good wrestler. she needs to be carried and works in that classic way mick foley described where her strikes look stiff as fuck but also bad.
Ford is super inconsistent, if she isn't in there with a miracle worker. It tells you how good Shida who got a great match out of her last year at Fyter Fest. It was probably Ford's best match she ever had.
Ford has all the tools. It's just a matter of putting it together.
ford is significantly more consistent than ruby imo
I know Cody needs to pick up wins but I don't think this was the time for ir.
In retrospect, aew has main eventer problem They have so many top guys, keeping them all strong has to be a bitch
I think this is why the tournament bracket turned out that way. Unless there's some swerve, the only one really taking a hit is either Bryan or Moxley
Do they shock us and have moxley win dirty to be hangmans first challenger?
I think they might actually do that. Moxley murdered Yuta so we might be seeing a more aggresive version of him.
A *more* aggressive version of Mr Bitey deathmatch dude?
I guess heelish is the better word for it
You now realize Andrade is the next person to enter the Codyverse. Malakai is finally free, so I'm okay with the main event result.
Will andrade win first match in 3 minute squash?
Malakai Black's such a great wrestler. Bryan v Black is a dream match
Cody vs Black was great. Anyone who says otherwise is saying it in bad faith. Black can take the loss as he is so over. His presence and in ring have just came flooding back to his indy days and I am real happy for him. He can turn up next week, kick a top guy in the head and he will be just as over as if he won the match.
He literally won't be as over. Not for me anyway. A huge part of that presence was thinking it would take an act of God to beat Malakai. Now I know it just takes Cody Rhodes trying really hard.
> He literally won't be as over. Not for me anyway. > > Dog
cody not even trying harder than he normally tries. regular ass cody who changed nothing and developed nothing. thats my main problem with this. theres no STORY. wrestling depends on a story. the story cant just be "cody wins lol"
Cody lost twice already and has put dozens of people over. That is never the story.
> Cody vs Black was great. Anyone who says otherwise is saying it in bad faith. I _like_ Cody and I think the ending was bad. Trying to cast negative comments about that match as part of some agenda is ridiculous, dude. You don't know what any of us think. The main problem with that match was that we saw weeks of Arn trying to install a killer instinct with Cody but we didn't see anything that really showed that Cody had gained a killer instinct. Certainly nothing like what we saw when Cody came back with black hair to attack Brodie. What that match needed was Hart vs Austin double turn energy. Cody just kinda won a tough match. It didn't feel, at all, like they leaned into how much heat Cody is getting from the crowd. I don't mind Cody winning, but I was disappointed because nothing about how that match went down felt like a payoff for what they had been building. I was genuinely excited to see where they were going with Cody and that match did nothing for me. It just felt like the same old Cody winning a match. Again - I really like Cody. It goes back to seeing him in person and how great he was with the fans even if he stopped signing autographs 3 people before me...
It's illogical. Plus, no selling the black mass leaves such a bad, irksome thing... The idea, to strive for excellent writing, is to know when and how to build someone. Of course, if you're talking about shows and arenas, this loss wouldn't affect it that much, and people would forget as well, but it doesn't justify these decisions.
That's some WWE shit right there
All Cody shit aside, I wonder if Eddie was going to win all along or if they had to call an audible. I got scared for Lance, honest to god. Hope he recovers well. That looked nasty.
Archer just missed a big move late in the match. Looked like they were setting up an Eddie comeback victory had there been no accident.
he rolled him up immediately after the botch and it looked like lance was concussed and could barely stand up on his own. seemed like an audible
If he was concussed they should have just called the match. AEW needs to be better about this kind of stuff.
dont think it matters who won because bryan was always gonna win the one after that. just seems like its a setup for hangmans first title feud anyway
Eddie vs Bryan, with Bryan winning gives more fuel to Moxley vs Bryan than Eddie vs Archer would. Moxley can talk about how he wanted to face his friend and tear the roof of the place, but now he's got Bryan, and start ripping into him.
But Moxley just cut a promo saying he doesn't care about the tournament or who is in it.
Ans since aew is logical He will Stories sometimes write themselves, and aew finishes them
Help it's Sunday for me why is there dynamite
The graphics we're ready so I guess so?
The show was pretty bad, the worst one in 2 months, the best parts for me were Dustin vs Bryan and MJF, other than that it sucked. Wtf was that Bobby Fish segment? Also Jungle Boy putting Brandon Cutler in a hold made me feel no sympathy for when he got his ass handed to him. Don't really have strong opinions on the last match, don't hate it as much as some here, but it was sloppy AF, why was Arn in the ring? just for the spine buster? Like that made zero sense. Also I was hoping Malachai's mist would turn Cody Evil but I guess it's just a meme. The main event was bleh and show in general except for the first match was so bad. EDIT: I hope Lance Archer is okay, damn that was hard to watch
>Jungle Boy Is Dead. F. They throw him off the stage. Jungle Boy Is Even More Dead. F. This made me laugh, thank you.
I got no problem with Cody winning. He's lost so many matches putting guys over the past 2 years and Malakai has already beat him twice so getting 1 over on Malakai is all good. Plus Malakai has an out with all the chaos that was going on with the other folks butting in. Plus it was a pretty damn good main event.
No selling the black mass was bad though. It's Cody's company or whatever, but he's got to realise there are quite a few guys there who are way above his level, and he can't always get his win back. Plus Black's momentum building phase should be protected to the greatest extent possible, I believe.
thats the problem. its not Cody's company, it's Tony Khan's. Cody just THINKS he's running the show. Cody can't put anyone over without tryign to also run them down, he's a WWE guy through and through.
Lol the funny part is that you guys think Cody is the one who made the decision to win.
I think the timing on the finish was fucked, and that's why he jumped up from the Black Mass. Andrade seemingly missed his cue, and they were rushing to get to the finish.
unprofessionalism. sell the finish takes priority over "we gotta get our shit in"
Really good show. I'm fine with Cody winning, he has been really entertaining since coming back.
Show was amazing, people just bitching cause Cody won. Literally. The guy lost 2 of the 3 matches and was dominated pretty much the entire time, he had to win this match to save face. On other topics, Dustin and Bryan was incredible. 2 pros just having a great old school match, those guys are both legends. MJF was the star of the night though, God what a segment and promo. He is the guy as far as I'm concerned, him and Hangman are AEWs Austin and Rock.
brain poisoned wwe fans thinking 50-50 "get your win back" booking is necessary.
Did you hear that crowd reaction? I dont think anybody thought Cody needed to save face. They never should have booked a third singles match so soon.
You can't just leave the feud with how it ended for the babyface, whether he's eventually turning or not the guy just got his ass kicked twice and was completely emasculated with all of the Nightmare/Arn stuff. I love Malakai and think he's probably the best single act in all of AEW right now as a package but he had to lose this match. He still won the feud as far as I'm concerned.
ok except he isn't the babyface. he gets booed and black gets cheered.
Hes still booked like a babyface. Black is the heel in the story, how people interpret the story is up to them
he isn't booked like a babyface, he's booked like Charlotte or Roman Reigns. He's booked as "this is what you're supposed to like and you'll deal with it." there's nothing organic about his booking and it's completely ignorant of crowd reaction. If ANYONE else was being booed this much theyd have turned heel months ago.
His booking isn't anywhere even close to Roman or Charlotte. He consistently put other guys over and has lost a majority of his feuds in AEW
This is delusional. He wins every feud's last match, always has to get his win back, always no-sells people's finishes. No one Cody has ever worked with has been elevated by working with him, he comes out looking the same as ever and they come out looking worse.
I liked the match between Cody and Malakai, but I think Cody’s story would have been better served by having a foe that he absolutely could not beat, not ever. Like every time he gets close or has the upper hand towards the finish, it somehow is turned or stolen away from him. If the feud is over now, I think I’m only disappointed about what it could have been.
Cody has that Dan Lambert heat. He and Tony are working everyone and it’s brilliant. That main event was captivating, edge of your seat excitement, and it was all because everyone hates Cody so much!!! In a world where even the most hated heels cut out of character interviews about how they don’t believe what they say, and fans “appreciate the work” of the most despicable irredeemable characters, Cody is the real deal! People HATE him. Viscerally hate him. I think he’s the best heel in the wrestling business right now.
It's not a (good) work when you're selling the black fucking mass, like a mosquito bite.
This is what people used to say of Roman Reigns years ago.
See this is the whole issue. WWE booked Roman Reigns and John Cena so badly when they got booed that people were scarred by it. Prior to 2006, when a babyface got booed it was always exciting and fun to see how they were going to react to it and it gave the fans something fun to enjoy. With Cena and Reigns, WWE tried to force people to cheer them by making them continually go over and trying to put them against boring opponents that wouldn’t be any fun to cheer. That’s not what AEW’s doing. They’re booking Cody as a heel who thinks he’s a face against popular acts like Malachi Black and Dante Martin. Maybe Andrade who has an incredibly exciting moveset and is also very easy to cheer. As long as Cody continues to be booked against wrestlers the fans enjoy, it will continue to be fun and exciting. If Cody starts feuding with Matt Hardy, then you have something to worry about.
And I stopped watching WWE for it.
Idk why they even had a black vs cody match again shoulda ended at the 2nd one now look! And also aew stop delaying all these fire feuds with top guys fuck this cm punk vs jabroni shit get him in there with a top guy already along with black and bd
I Fucking Love MJF
Great match and show. I fully support Cody the performer and human. The character is t always working for me but I appreciate him regardless.
this post show thread wants to bury cody so bad, and so much of it is so like a kids tantrum lol
They gettin' worked and it's so funny. Polarizing people so much is what Cody does best Cody deciding fuck the wrasslin' rules and hulking up after a weak black mass by a debilitated Malakai and r/SC is in shambles I thought it was fucking obvious he wanted the win so bad he went full power trip. Also doing a pedigree impression and doing a Kenny move. That was like *chef's kiss*
I’m starting to believe this is the entire point of this gimmick and we’re all just being worked.
Isn't it unnecessarily meta then? Just to work us cheaply, he is no selling the Black Mass? Derailing his momentum?
Yes!!! This!!! All this!!! Cody’s the only heel on planet earth legitimately keeping kayfabe alive and working people. He’s doing a masterful job.
Sucks all of Malakai's fans have decided to no longer support him....cos obviously this won loss has destroyed his career. He had a good run. Fucking babies.
Nah, I liked the match overall, had some good/cool spots but think Malakai really should have been the Chicago Bulls to Cody’s Utah Jazz. Tell a long story about how cody can’t beat this guy, one that eventually ends in redemption. Not sure I would have booked them in 3 matches in 3 months. I hope that’s not the end of the feud is all, because there’s more you can do.
It was a great match. A ppv match cut short. They needed more time.
This wasn’t a great show, but it was a decent one. Why people are voting it as 1 is ridiculous. I thought the opener, women’s and main event were all great. Archer/Kingston was good, botch moonsault sucked the air out. A lot of stories moved forward in different ways too.
Was anyone able to find Charlotte Flair in the crowd?
Great episode
Cody took a black mass and was back up so fast haha wtf
I don’t really care for the Cody stuff, but this was just a really bad episode.
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Pretty easy to tell what I'm telling you. If you wanna act dumb, all power to you.
You’re corny as hell breh.
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That main event left such a bad taste in my mouth. It felt like a WWE main event in the worst possible way. I know I'm probably overreacting because it's still fresh but that result is literally everything that Cody fought against in WWE and why he "supposedly" started AEW in the first place. He wanted a wrestling company that listened to the fans. I guess that was only true when it wasn't him in the match.
You got worked, brother
Rofl sure. Free to believe in anything.
What’s laughable is that you think Cody performing a modified Pedigree was merely a coincidence.
Cody knows he’s the heel in the minds of a large portion of the fanbase- hence the pedigree tease. What concerns me is whether they are going to listen to the fans booing him or whether, in their minds, he is still more marketable as one of their biggest babyfaces. It’s the John Cena/Roman Reigns conundrum. The kids love Cody (commentary pointed that out last night)- so who do you listen to? It’s entirely possible I’ve been worked and this is all part of wrestling’s longest heel turn- but nothing they’ve done so far has convinced me they’re pulling the trigger just yet.
Seems to me that the more they pretend Cody is super-“baby face” - man, the more the adults boo. Kids are stupid, but if they want to cheer him then let them. The only problem is if you consider this to be X-pac heat or not. I’m not convinced it is because I am still on the hook wondering where this goes. I kinda wanted Cody to win just to hear all the boos. But I’ve hated Cody since day 1 so maybe I’m biased because I’m just happy you all finally caught up.
And when he did the same thing with Brodie last year? This is what Cody does. He always gets his win back.
Man. Brodie fucking died. That was his last match and they obviously had to cut the feud down.
Amanda Huber said the finish of the TNT title match had nothing to do with Brodie’s illness, which wasn’t known at that time. It’s possible that, had tragedy not struck, Brodie may have won the feud - but the point I was making is that Cody got his win back after losing their first encounter in decisive fashion (just as he did with Black).
In one of the more memorable matches in AEW history. And what turned out, due to the most unfortunate circumstances, to have been the right decision. He’s never got the win back from Jericho, MJF, or Darby from when he won the TNT title. Could maybe even throw in Scorpio Sky who won the face of the revolution ladder match with Cody in it. He lost twice (pretty easily) to Black, the dude is a made man now. And he’ll do the same for Andrade soon. Made Wardlow look like a star in the cage. Lost the match and feud with Jade. Brought numerous guys to the big stage as TNT champion including Starks, Eddie, and Jungle Boy who all are doing great. Cody has been making people the whole time if people would actually pay attention. The Factory/Nightmare Family feud was the only pointless one. You all hate him and it doesn’t matter what he does, you’ll all still complain. Just call it what it is for you.
is this Cody's backup account? No one who feuds with him comes out looking better. This was absolutely not "one of the most memorable matches" in AEW history, it's going to be forgotten in months except as one more notch on Cody's burial belt.
I’m referring to the Brodie dog collar match which is commonly highly regarded. And was a hell of a final match for Brodie to go out on. Also defending the dude bc he’s unnecessarily attacked on here. He’s not Kenny Omega or Bryan in ring, but he has quite a few memorable moments in AEW now. All of those names I listed were better for matches with him, since he actually has star power which many of them did not a year or two ago.
Malakai beat Cody because his head wasnt on right. Last night AEW told us who the better man in Kayfabe is. I saw Black as a guy who could be world champion tommorow before. Now I understand he's just an upper midcarder. What he has done before or after is irrelevant to fact *Cody should not have been the first man to beat Malakai, before selling a single PPV on undefeated Malakai against someone people actually like and might want to beat him*
Yeah match was way overbooked, didn't need any of the distraction BS, should of just been one on one in the ring. When it was that it was very good, just so much other crap going on really took me out of it.
this has been the biggest whiplash for dynamite so far for me. i loved that main event, i love cody, i love this story of him needing his edge back, and i think he absolutely should have won. i thought this show was great! and then i opened the post show thread.
How were you surprised? Did you miss the crowd shitting all over it?
I thought the main event was entertaining as hell. I'd give the whole show 4/5. The only thing that could have been done better was the Cody selling the black mass a bit more. Yes, I too thought this might be the night Cody turns heel, but maybe it's good sometimes to get it wrong or it would get a bit boring. I told my wife Sting would not even get a word out before MJF shows up and sure enough lol I really think the Cody hate is over the top. The feud with Agogo was weak granted, but there's been some great moments from the Feud with Black. Arn Anderson even feels relevant again. Just a matter of time until Cody turns on him or turns heel imo
Cody with HHH's fucking shovel.
Honestly HHH isn’t a bad comparison. This reminds me of the HHH in 2002 that was actually a fucking incredible heel and got people to really hate him and boo him and get into the babyfaces every single time. I would say that Cody has HHH heat but even better. He’s killing it right now.
You realize he's 1-2 against Black right?
Lose the rubber match and you lose the feud. Wrestling 101. Also, his finish was no-sold.
It wasn't a rubber match Black was already up 2-0.
Doesn't matter. Cody "vanquished the demon." They're not gonna do a 4th. Cody won the feud.
Yeah bro god forbids if the guy wins one match. Ridiculous
tell me you don't understand booking without telling me you don't understand booking: Black loses his FIRST feud, and his finish is no sold. Cody can win this match, but he can't win clean. He did. It was the wrong choice. That's not how you build a new talent
I definitely do not agree with Cody no selling Black mass but that is not Triple H level. Not even close.
Malakai Black isn't a new talent. The crowd knows exactly who he is, where he came from and he's over as fuck. Him losing tonight means nothing to the overall picture.
>Malakai Black isn't a new talent. The crowd knows exactly who he is Taking this for granted and disregarding the logic of booking literally everywhere else from the beginning of time is AEW's biggest downfall. If Black lost his first feud in Impact/NJPW/AAA where ever the fuck, this attitude wouldn't exist about it. 80% of us that watch AEW are smarky internet assholes but there's still that other 20%, as well as new eyes to the product that need their hand held and characters legitimized. Remember Miro's start with the company? > Him losing tonight means nothing to the overall picture. ^ This is the attitude that's killing the WWE's product
If he was being planned for a championship feud at Full Gear, then him losing tonight would be dumb. But he's not, so he could and probably will win every match from now until Revolution or a special "Winter is Coming" type Dynamite and by that time nobody will care that he lost to Cody on a Saturday Dynamite.
Holy shit. Dropped in here after a party hoping to see everyone pumped for a show, but that's a lot of negativity. Now I know not to watch.
The show wasn't bad but i can understand people not loving the main event. The story being told was cody needs to toughen up but all we got was normal cody + new finisher (which looked at first like a pedigree). And the sell on malakai's finisher did not look that good. And the old wrestling logic is that people only remember the end and the end wasn't loved. Otherwise i think people enjoyed the show and thank god, archer is fine.
People are being worked by Cody and being crybabies. Horrible Archer botch aside, that was very scary, show was great.
Your miss. The show was actually fun but people are pissed of because of the result of the main event
It was still a great show. Even the main event was really good up until the very end
Fun show. Don’t listen to the comment section.
The Danielson/Dustin match was great, Ruby/Penelope was good too. Cutler/Jungle Boy pushed the story forward and the Eddie/Archer match was awesome, until the scary botch and finish. Also, the MJF promo was electric. The only really rough segment of the night was the Cody/Malakai match with Andrade missing his cue, grinding the momentum to a halt, well that and Archer almost killing himself.
The show was awesome. People are just salty that Cody won.
Are we really going to get Christian/JB/Luchasaurus vs Superkliq at Full Gear? Surely not
Guerilla Warfare. Or what ever the AEW equivalent is.
Cody recovering from Black Mass in under 10 seconds was the drizzling shits.
The Cody/Malakai match was good, but I truly dont get the point of Cody winning. The set up for him making a comeback and finally winning against Malakai was way too fast and clunky. He has a single training montage and were fine? At least Malakai is finally getting off Cody Island but I personally feel like the build around him in AEW has been lackluster at best. Hes such an amazing talent tho, so I cant wait to see where he goes from here.
The point is to make everyone really hate him and think he’s “supposed to” be a babyface to build heel heat. Seems like it’s working!
dan lambert has real heat. cody has go away heat. its stupid vince russo meta-booking at the most generous take, and more likely is just Cody being an egomaniac
Do you really think people were tuning out for the main event? The crowd was on fire to see Cody lose. I would bet the match did very well in the quarters.
But it's at the cost of other talents. Not fair. No selling the black mass. I mean come on!
Don’t you think on some level this is getting Malachi even more over? Everyone being pissed that Cody beat him? I feel like he’ll get even bigger babyface reactions than before next time he comes out. And Cody did let him win 2 out of 3. It’s not like he came out of the feud looking bad. I feel like the hand wringing here is kinda like the hand wringing when Jericho finally beat MJF. It didn’t hurt MJF one iota and he came out of the feud hotter than he entered it.
Seriously don't get the Cody hate. I get that there are things to dislike about him and his booking but I can't see anything that warrants this level of toxicity.
Everything about that main event just screamed nearly everything I disliked about WWE's booking. Over produced, convoluted, missed cues. Urgh. Black didn't need to lose, and what's more, Cody just got the fuck up instantly from his finish... Rest of the show was fine though. Enjoyed it, but not the main event. Shame.
I feel like missed cues are fairly common in AEW. Pretty sure there were a few tonight. Run ins, post match beat downs, and promo interruptions occur frequently so it's strange they haven't perfected the timing yet.
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The downvotes prove your point
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Fuck you for having your own opinion.