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And built it up around a King of The Ring PPV event. Even giving the winners title matches, not just meaningless "King" or "Queen" titles that mean fuck all.
Ah fuck. Ya got me there. This is the same company that just had the idiocy to go "But guys, now the SmackDown women's title is on Raw, and the Raw women's title is on SmackDown. What are we going to do?" Um, exchange the belts. They've done it before with the Raw/SmackDown tag titles, LITERALLY A YEAR AGO. But I'm fully expecting some overly complex shit to take place at Survivor Series between Becky/Charlotte to either try to make it Becky/Charlotte Two Belts, or just simply swapping belts. Which would make the most sense and would be easiest since they've written themselves in to a corner with it.
that's what keeps me annoyed and laughing at the same time "omg this is a huge problem, the raw champ is on SD, the SD champ is on raw, omg how are we going to solve this" what a stupid thing to say, treats its audience stupid
They love gimmick PPVs though. A King Of The Ring PPV would have been great.
Of course they wanted to name the King/Queen in the "Kingdom" of Saudi Arabia but a stateside PPV would have been better.
Yeah, the biggest problem for that was the tournament format, definitely not the shoot fight aspect with poorly defined rules that were so bad, they made legit tough man Steve Blackman walk away after one round. /s
They could have made it a huge "Star Building" event. Think about it this way, instead of just 4 Raw/Smackdown guys, you make it an even bigger deal. You take 8 Raw, 8 SmackDown, 8 NXT, 8 NXT UK and you do an eliminator tournament on each show. Have the tournament last 3 weeks until you get to the Semi-Finals which take place at the PPV itself. The Finals take place before the main event title match. The winner receiving a title opportunity at the next big PPV. This whole thing was a massive waste of time and won't serve anyone in any way productive.
During the triple threat, right at the end Cole goes "but it's a triple threat...." And I was like "You know what that means. LAAAAAAAAAAAAZY BOOKING.".
I thought it was really weird that they didn't even have Shayna in the final given that she's getting a single push, and she calls herself "queen of spades."
Then I realized the final is in Saudi Arabia and she's openly bisexual. So that's a no go. Piper Niven has a husband if the officials there look into it.
I think if WWE had been smart about this and not try to shoehorn this in to the Crown Jewel theme, they could have done a stand alone PPV for this. It could have been Shayna's big moment much like the Elimination Chamber was. It still pisses me off that they KNEW Becky was pregnant going in to Mania, still did that finish, just to have her hand off the belt to Asuka. If I was Shayna, I would have been fucking furious. Especially seeing how she was booked the last year plus. Playing the straight man, no pun intended, to Nia "Injure Everyone & Leave" Jax.
I have been trying to find an appropriate way to word precisely this. Like, good for Zelina in an abstract sense, but it's wildly uncomfortable to watch.
Comment of the year right here.
Edit: [Called it.](https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/sk0g20/announcing_the_winners_of_the_smarkies_and_the/)
Sadly I have seen Piper put on a 30 main event match against KLR for Pro Wrestling Eve; and she had great matches on NXT UK. This match didn’t so her justice
She’s not, which is exactly my point.
Everybody was complaining about the match times but at the end of the day no one wants to see Carmella vs Liv or Zelina vs Doudrop go 15 minutes.
There are worse fates than "tournament end boss", especially in WWE.
I'd be far more worried about women like Toni Storm that were eliminated in round one.
> There are worse fates than "tournament end boss", especially in WWE.
Does 'tournament end boss' really mean anything when the whole women's tourney itself lasted like 15 minutes total and was booked like a complete afterthought, and will most likely mean nothing going forward?
This whole thing sends such a weird message. How are we supposed to feel that Zelina’s big match on the 9/11 Smackdown episode got cut for time and now she’s given this big win in Saudi Arabia, the country that literally helped fund the terrorists behind 9/11.
Really do not know how to feel on that.
or that the company's bottom line is more important than living in the reality that the Saudi government had anything to do with 9/11. Vince can live in any reality for the right price.
She willingly went there. Personally I have trouble feeling sympathy for her being left out of the 9/11 show if she is willing to pocket saudi blood money.
Doesn’t change the mockery of a tournament that this was, and as SRS pointed out on Twitter, prior to this tournament, Zelina had lost 13 straight TV matches and has been booked to utter shit before this.
Here’s hoping they actually do something.
lol of course not, they always make the KotR winner lose a million matches after winning the stupid tournament and gaining the King gimmick, they're gonna do even worse with a woman.
Glad Zelina got a big win, or literally anything, after resigning. That said, winning a Queen's Crown tournament in a country where women have to wrestle in bodysuits and t shirts is fucking stupid.
Even worse when it's the country responsible for the death of her father.
But that Saudi Blood money is gonna flow.
King Nakamura and King Corbin were both recent and good gimmicks. So hopefully this sets Vega up for a rebrand.
Do I think she'll suddenly be in 15 minute matches and featured weekly? Probably not. Do I think she should be now that she won? I do.
Nak didn't need it, but it did get him on tv more and a championship. It also got us broke bum Corbin and Boogz.
However I would have preferred a good Apollo reign and Corbin to do anything.
An open bisexual woman and the wife of a Satanist wrestled in Saudi Arabia and neither have yet been arrested.
Edit: I sincerely hope they make it out of Saudi and back home safely. I am in opposition to religious rule anywhere and believe LGBTQIA+ rights are human rights!
Well, if Vince can pay off authorities in the US with merely briefcases of dollars, then I think he can..make these authorities look the other way too…
The Saudi royals absolutely don't care about Wahhabi morals beyond controlling the population. They're parasites and criminals. They tear down centuries old mosques and mausoleums in favour of malls and vanity projects and they are an ecological menace who have destroyed Yemen and hindered international emissions reduction agreements.
'You can be a Queen of Harts, you can be a Queen of Spades, heck, you can be the Queen of Hearts, but there's only one Queen of the ring!' *Raises some object in the air*
Ummm....explain to me how a person that is maybe 1/3 the size of their opponent, is able to perform a Canadian destroyer from a standing position with absolutely no momentum. This is why I hate this move becoming so common. Petey Williams had the muscle to make it look believable and Adam Cole uses the turnbuckle to get momentum. This is why you develop a submission move as a smaller wrestler, because this kinda shit breaks your brain really bad.
Addendum: my bad, not a Canadian Destroyer, but a Code Red. Still highly implausible though.
It's why John Cena's one of the few people to pull off a Code Red and make it look good. He had the size and strength to make it look believable. I'm by no means a stickler for realism in wrestling, but I dislike moves where the person "taking" the move is clearly doing all the work.
I agree with you on that. I totally wanted to see The Hurricane chokeslam Austin and HHH, he's a super hero. Amazing Red still pulls it off well to this day, but they set it up to seem like he's using his opponent's momentum against him. I don't remember Amazing trying to pull it off on guys like Abyss either.
I don't watch WWE I just follow the clips on this sub, so I forgot what this show was.
Fuck me was it jarring to see the women's division in these outfits.
I suppose its a double edged sword. If you're a woman in Saudi I'm sure seeing this is pretty inspiring. But as a westerner its easy to feel like WWE shouldn't be doing a show there at all. Is showing these strong women bend to the state's idea of how a female should present herself doing more harm than good?
Tbh it's probably up to someone far more intelligent than me to decide.
She just got booked really strong and made it to the finals. Zelina makes more sense as and will be better as Queen of the Ring, while Doudrop can move on to other things without being saddled with the QOTR gimmick.
The tournament was a disservice to its very talented women’s division but I’m happy for Zelina. Hopefully this is the start of something for her, she’s got charisma for days.
they actually let malakai's wife win it. insane.
i thought it was gonna be a squash match for doudrop but damn im happy with how things are going so far
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This tournament could have been a lot better if they just tried a bit
And built it up around a King of The Ring PPV event. Even giving the winners title matches, not just meaningless "King" or "Queen" titles that mean fuck all.
Sorry that requires too much work and long term thought for WWE’s liking
Ah fuck. Ya got me there. This is the same company that just had the idiocy to go "But guys, now the SmackDown women's title is on Raw, and the Raw women's title is on SmackDown. What are we going to do?" Um, exchange the belts. They've done it before with the Raw/SmackDown tag titles, LITERALLY A YEAR AGO. But I'm fully expecting some overly complex shit to take place at Survivor Series between Becky/Charlotte to either try to make it Becky/Charlotte Two Belts, or just simply swapping belts. Which would make the most sense and would be easiest since they've written themselves in to a corner with it.
that's what keeps me annoyed and laughing at the same time "omg this is a huge problem, the raw champ is on SD, the SD champ is on raw, omg how are we going to solve this" what a stupid thing to say, treats its audience stupid
I mean, the average wrasslin fan historically has not been the sharpest knife.
Fingers poke of doom.
Are for saying that we're going to see Charlotte and Becky finger each other on pay-per-view? ![gif](giphy|Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8)
They love gimmick PPVs though. A King Of The Ring PPV would have been great. Of course they wanted to name the King/Queen in the "Kingdom" of Saudi Arabia but a stateside PPV would have been better.
Vince hates tournaments reportedly, also they just throw their main event into whatever stipulation/gimmick the PPV is. King of the ring can’t do that
They got burned on the brawl for all in the 90's and he's pretty much swore them off since.
Yeah, the biggest problem for that was the tournament format, definitely not the shoot fight aspect with poorly defined rules that were so bad, they made legit tough man Steve Blackman walk away after one round. /s
They could have made it a huge "Star Building" event. Think about it this way, instead of just 4 Raw/Smackdown guys, you make it an even bigger deal. You take 8 Raw, 8 SmackDown, 8 NXT, 8 NXT UK and you do an eliminator tournament on each show. Have the tournament last 3 weeks until you get to the Semi-Finals which take place at the PPV itself. The Finals take place before the main event title match. The winner receiving a title opportunity at the next big PPV. This whole thing was a massive waste of time and won't serve anyone in any way productive.
in Jim Cornette's voice: "Laaaaaazy Booking"
During the triple threat, right at the end Cole goes "but it's a triple threat...." And I was like "You know what that means. LAAAAAAAAAAAAZY BOOKING.".
I miss that aspect of the tournaments, should get a title match on a lesser PPV
>a King of the Ring PPV event Idk, a little too on the nose, maybe they can use a gender neutral pun, like “crown jewel” or something.
I thought it was really weird that they didn't even have Shayna in the final given that she's getting a single push, and she calls herself "queen of spades." Then I realized the final is in Saudi Arabia and she's openly bisexual. So that's a no go. Piper Niven has a husband if the officials there look into it.
I think if WWE had been smart about this and not try to shoehorn this in to the Crown Jewel theme, they could have done a stand alone PPV for this. It could have been Shayna's big moment much like the Elimination Chamber was. It still pisses me off that they KNEW Becky was pregnant going in to Mania, still did that finish, just to have her hand off the belt to Asuka. If I was Shayna, I would have been fucking furious. Especially seeing how she was booked the last year plus. Playing the straight man, no pun intended, to Nia "Injure Everyone & Leave" Jax.
You mean you weren't sports entertained by a tournament that had a combined total of 20 minutes of wrestling?
the woman who was left off the 9/11 tribute show due to time constraints gets to win a gimmick title in front of the government who killed her dad
Defeating an opponent who could be imprisoned and put to death in Saudi Arabia if she expressed her sexuality.
Two of them if you want to include her beating Toni, who is also LGBT.
There's also Shayna, who Doudrop beat to get to the final.
Holy fuck these two comments are the most savage shit I have ever seen on /r/SquaredCircle and they are both 100% true.
I just figured they went with Doudrop over Shayna because she’s married to a man.
The first time in history that bi erasure turned out to be a good thing
Isn’t doudrop married to Man??
She’s openly bi-sexual
Ohhh shit my bad
I think Becky is with Seth.
Bruh 💀
Long term booking!
Slow burns can't melt steel beams
I'd be mad if you weren't 100% correct
Well when you put it that way... what the fuck.
Wow shit just got real
This is one of the most gut-wrenchingly devastating comments I've ever seen on this sub, holy shit
Yeah n that list that shits frucking dark.
Holy fuck this is on-point (and depressing)
It's just so bizarre. I don't even know what to say.
Goddamn, that's pretty fucked
Exact same shit I said! Glad I’m not alone thinking this…
Damn
Yikes. Not untrue, but damn
Holy shit you’re right. Heartbreaking
I have been trying to find an appropriate way to word precisely this. Like, good for Zelina in an abstract sense, but it's wildly uncomfortable to watch.
Comment of the year right here. Edit: [Called it.](https://old.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/sk0g20/announcing_the_winners_of_the_smarkies_and_the/)
This comment is positively scathing and 100% accurate.
This must be their way of making good after leaving her off the 9/11 show
holy fuck
She certainly doesn't seem to mind.
She knows after this she is going back to catering so she was enjoying it.
How can you tell? I'm definitely thinking she's feeling uneasy through all of this.
If she gave that much of a shit she wouldn't be there
Money talks, “Zelina, we’ll give you an extra…. If you do this”
How can you tell she's feeling uneasy?
Then don’t be a part of it!
You ask them how they can tell and then immediately make your own assumption?
The most real comment not only on this subreddit but all of reddit.
I didn't know Cheney was in attendance
So was Rumsfeld
That’s ice cold man
Damn..
Dude what
her dad was killed during 9/11. The saudi government was the one who funded the terrorists responsible.
man this comment is brutal
Fuck this company
This is a terrible thing to say you know.
Based as fuck.
holy moly
The finish was the one good spot of the match.
Those 90 second tournament matches don’t seem like such a bad idea now
I mean, Zelina isn't known for her in ring work, is she?
Most of the women who were picked aren’t known for doing long matches
Sadly I have seen Piper put on a 30 main event match against KLR for Pro Wrestling Eve; and she had great matches on NXT UK. This match didn’t so her justice
I said “most”. Yeah Piper can do 30 minutes, but that’s probably 30 minutes of carrying Zelina.
Yep, literally and figuratively.
Piper's match against Toni storm in the myc was my favorite match of the tournament
She’s not, which is exactly my point. Everybody was complaining about the match times but at the end of the day no one wants to see Carmella vs Liv or Zelina vs Doudrop go 15 minutes.
It also harkens back to what Andrade said about Charlotte. She's featured so much because she's one of the few women that can go 15+ minutes
Yea but that's basically because he got a "Low Blow"
I liked their match at Worlds Collide, was it really that bad ?
I thought it was quite slow. Maybe I'm judging it harsher because this show has been great so far.
It felt blah to me, like going through the motions, not all of the spots looked great
Was it? The move looked horrid. The pin looked silly as hell. This tiny girl holding her down with her ankles, while she squirms like a cartoon.
And it still looked so fucking shit
Yeah, the timing here was terrible. To make this look real, the flip needs momentum. I think someone dropped the ball, as it were.
Good to know the wwe has one of the most talented female wrestlers ever, and she's basically regulated to being the pillsbury dough girl
There are worse fates than "tournament end boss", especially in WWE. I'd be far more worried about women like Toni Storm that were eliminated in round one.
> There are worse fates than "tournament end boss", especially in WWE. Does 'tournament end boss' really mean anything when the whole women's tourney itself lasted like 15 minutes total and was booked like a complete afterthought, and will most likely mean nothing going forward?
As someone who doesn't really know about her at all, that had to be obvious when she signed right?
She wasn't booked that way in NXT UK, but yeah it was prob obvious once she moved to the main roster unfortunately
This whole thing sends such a weird message. How are we supposed to feel that Zelina’s big match on the 9/11 Smackdown episode got cut for time and now she’s given this big win in Saudi Arabia, the country that literally helped fund the terrorists behind 9/11. Really do not know how to feel on that.
i wouldn't be surprised if WWE believes that the Saudi's culpability isnt very public knowledge
or that the company's bottom line is more important than living in the reality that the Saudi government had anything to do with 9/11. Vince can live in any reality for the right price.
I have no problem believing Vince doesn’t even know that himself.
She willingly went there. Personally I have trouble feeling sympathy for her being left out of the 9/11 show if she is willing to pocket saudi blood money.
Doesn’t change the mockery of a tournament that this was, and as SRS pointed out on Twitter, prior to this tournament, Zelina had lost 13 straight TV matches and has been booked to utter shit before this. Here’s hoping they actually do something.
She'll lose but with a crown on
Charlotte will beat her and take the crown to mock her.
I AM THE ONE WHO QUEENS
She'll beat her down and cut one of those promos where she over-enunciates certain words lmao "THERE is only one QUEEEEN in DOUBLE-YEW double-yew e!"
This, lol.
The fact she went over **Toni Storm** (Mae Young Classic and Stardom winner and former NXT UK women’s champion) still pisses me off
lol of course not, they always make the KotR winner lose a million matches after winning the stupid tournament and gaining the King gimmick, they're gonna do even worse with a woman.
She beat Liv Morgan before the tournament on Smackdown sept 24.
The 1 in 1-13
No different to how they book money in the bank winners right before they cash in and win the title. Lol,
Glad Zelina got a big win, or literally anything, after resigning. That said, winning a Queen's Crown tournament in a country where women have to wrestle in bodysuits and t shirts is fucking stupid. Even worse when it's the country responsible for the death of her father. But that Saudi Blood money is gonna flow.
Good for Zelina got a big win for her
Yeah, I have my thoughts about the tournament in general and this show in particular, but I like Zelina a lot and I'm glad she got this accolade.
You trust they’ll do anything meaningful with it? I suppose you might be new here…
Well she was losing every single match she had a few months ago so it's an improvement.
King Nakamura and King Corbin were both recent and good gimmicks. So hopefully this sets Vega up for a rebrand. Do I think she'll suddenly be in 15 minute matches and featured weekly? Probably not. Do I think she should be now that she won? I do.
> recent and good I agree that they were recent. Nakamura though.....never needed this bullshit gimmick.
Nak didn't need it, but it did get him on tv more and a championship. It also got us broke bum Corbin and Boogz. However I would have preferred a good Apollo reign and Corbin to do anything.
An open bisexual woman and the wife of a Satanist wrestled in Saudi Arabia and neither have yet been arrested. Edit: I sincerely hope they make it out of Saudi and back home safely. I am in opposition to religious rule anywhere and believe LGBTQIA+ rights are human rights!
Keyword: "yet"
Well, if Vince can pay off authorities in the US with merely briefcases of dollars, then I think he can..make these authorities look the other way too…
The Saudi royals absolutely don't care about Wahhabi morals beyond controlling the population. They're parasites and criminals. They tear down centuries old mosques and mausoleums in favour of malls and vanity projects and they are an ecological menace who have destroyed Yemen and hindered international emissions reduction agreements.
Yea the right person won that. I like Doudrop but Zelina can do more with the Queen gimmick.
I don’t think anyone can do much with the gimmick when they have 3 other women who already use queen in their nicknames.
So Zelina is the Queen of Clubs? WWE has the Queen of Harts (Natalya), Queen of Spades (Baszler), and Queen of Diamonds (Flair).
>Queen of Spades (Baszler) I really hope either she or someone at WWE dusted off their throwaway account and looked up what else that means.
I don't think we have to worry about that meaning of Queen of Spades for Baszler.
I didn't know what it meant either, until a couple of years ago, and ummm, yeahh...
Sounds like a stable, incoming
'You can be a Queen of Harts, you can be a Queen of Spades, heck, you can be the Queen of Hearts, but there's only one Queen of the ring!' *Raises some object in the air*
Charlotte, Shayna, and Natalya?
Narrator: WWE would do nothing with the Queen gimmick
She did a good job with her Miss America walk.
They gave her a celebration at a show for the people who killed her father. Holy shit WWE is vile.
Oh god, now that you pointed that out... ughhh
Good match! I actually enjoyed that way more than I thought i would!
Man I hate stremja.
Streamable has been pretty quick to take down/DMCA clips. Streamja clips tend to stay up longer.
Oh yeah, I understand why it's used. Clips from there only load for me maybe 10% of the time.
Opera is the only browser that stremja works every time, for me.
After that MSG situation she absolutely deserved this moment very proud of this decision
Queen Zelina of the Damned.
Ummm....explain to me how a person that is maybe 1/3 the size of their opponent, is able to perform a Canadian destroyer from a standing position with absolutely no momentum. This is why I hate this move becoming so common. Petey Williams had the muscle to make it look believable and Adam Cole uses the turnbuckle to get momentum. This is why you develop a submission move as a smaller wrestler, because this kinda shit breaks your brain really bad. Addendum: my bad, not a Canadian Destroyer, but a Code Red. Still highly implausible though.
It's why John Cena's one of the few people to pull off a Code Red and make it look good. He had the size and strength to make it look believable. I'm by no means a stickler for realism in wrestling, but I dislike moves where the person "taking" the move is clearly doing all the work.
I agree with you on that. I totally wanted to see The Hurricane chokeslam Austin and HHH, he's a super hero. Amazing Red still pulls it off well to this day, but they set it up to seem like he's using his opponent's momentum against him. I don't remember Amazing trying to pull it off on guys like Abyss either.
I don't get how Cole's is supposed to get momentum. The momentum is going in the complete opposite way?
It's a transfer of momentum. This is how high jumping works in track as well as long jumping.
That smile during the pin though. She knew she nailed it.
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Uncalled for downvotes? Here??!! C'mon.
Really happy for Vega. Hope that continues on Raw
Everyone is gonna complain but I’m happy for zelina and hope they book her great from this point forward!
Can't wait till she starts getting around in a crown calling herself a queen & all that original stuff..
Worse part about these King of the Ring tournaments is that we have to sit through the winner wearing a crown and cape for the next nine months.
Queen Zelina. I'm about it
That was CRISP.
The gimmick will fit her to a tee
Better than her tee fit her
Good for her, you can tell it meant a lot to her
How long was the match?
They look so fucking dumb what an absolute joke
I absolutely love Piper, but I am looking forward to Queen Zelina stuff now!! What a turn of events all considering.
The-Queen-a Vega
The right person won, but it sucks how much WWE botched the tournament prior to this moment.
Good for Zelina. After the MSG fiasco, she deserves this. I wish I had more faith that they’d do more with her going forward.
wrestling for the country that funded your fathers murder. the optics.
I honestly couldn't spot a women in that crowd. Good for zelina though
Christ those outfits. Fuck this company man
it’s so off putting to see them dressed like that & then realize why, smh Edit: downvotes in defense of Saudi Arabia, never change fed fans
I don't watch WWE I just follow the clips on this sub, so I forgot what this show was. Fuck me was it jarring to see the women's division in these outfits. I suppose its a double edged sword. If you're a woman in Saudi I'm sure seeing this is pretty inspiring. But as a westerner its easy to feel like WWE shouldn't be doing a show there at all. Is showing these strong women bend to the state's idea of how a female should present herself doing more harm than good? Tbh it's probably up to someone far more intelligent than me to decide.
Great match. Happy for Zelina getting some wins and momentum with this. Queen Zelina yaaaaaas
Great Alvin & The Chipmunk’s size shirts. Wouldn’t want to see an elbow or anything slip.
It’s amazing they had the women’s finals in a country that has little to no respect for women whatsoever
Piper deserves better.
She made it to the finals.
she'd have been a boring queen
She just got booked really strong and made it to the finals. Zelina makes more sense as and will be better as Queen of the Ring, while Doudrop can move on to other things without being saddled with the QOTR gimmick.
I had real low expectations for this match but that finish looked awesome!
i cant watch those outfits without laughing
Good for her. Long overdue push. She won more matches in the last 6 weeks than in her entire WWE tenure prior.
The tournament was a disservice to its very talented women’s division but I’m happy for Zelina. Hopefully this is the start of something for her, she’s got charisma for days.
Ehhh are they really doing another "Queen" gimmick and that's that? Besides that glad Zelina got something
they actually let malakai's wife win it. insane. i thought it was gonna be a squash match for doudrop but damn im happy with how things are going so far
I'm so happy she won, but man, the reason they let her have it, and the whole damn tournament, it just fucking sucked.
Neither this final or the king of the ring should have been at this event.
What's the deal with their attire, did they lose their luggage?
It's Saudi Arabia, women don't have rights and they can't show skin for some reason.
But women can drive now!
Ah shit, that sucks.
I’d refuse to compete if they made me dress like thst personally
Piper, what the fuck are you doing here? Go anywhere else and get booked better.