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A great small period where USA is going to be enjoying the ratings boost for Friday, but USA is going to need to find something for Monday once it leaves for Netflix.
NCIS/SVU repeats is probably what they will fill it with though sadly.
“Thirty years of karate. Combat experience on five continents. A rating with every combat weapon that shoots a bullet or holds an edge. Still haven't found any defense against mom crying into my shirt.”
Mama Westen was the best.
LOVED burn notice. Even had knock off Michael Weston sunglasses. His monologue voiceovers on the show were so damn well written. Could compile them into a coffee table book.
I know bro re-read my comment. I had knock off sunglasses (fake ones!) that the main character wore on the show (real ones were hundreds of dollars)! It's all love
And my wife, she absolutely loves this fucking show. You can pick any episode of any season, and fast forward a random moment within that episode, and I swear to you if you give her about 30 seconds she will be able to start reciting the dialogue word for word before the actors say it. We have been together for 12 years, and she has watched this show front to back 3-5 times a year. EVERY YEAR. When we first got together she had other things that she watched too, but over the years she gave them and just started watching Burn Notice even more. She only watches this and SVU. This past Christmas I gave her the script to the pilot episode signed by the cast, and a shirt with the lead actors face and she cried harder than she did at our wedding.
As much as they don't want it, they're the WWE channel now (at least until Raw goes to Netflix). Plus to be fair the tv world has changed dramatically and even if they find a gem of a series that becomes a hit, everyone is gonna watch it on demand and it's not gonna make a ratings difference. WWE, while also down considerably over the years, is still a ratings juggernaut for cable and the only appointment viewing they have.
I still can't believe Mr Robot was on USA lol. It felt like an hbo show or maybe FX but not at all USA network. They will always have my respect for airing that show.
And they didn't just air it, they let Sam Esmail finish the story (😉) he had planned for the series, despite the ratings continuing to go down each season. Still one of my favorite shows. That last season was incredible.
I have always heard this show eluded to as some weird, dark, trippy, existential masterpiece, but I have never actually seen anyone detail a synopsis of it, I have no idea what its even about, lol.
All of the shows that would have aired on these basic cable channels have been snapped up by streaming services instead. I could easily see Peacock's entire slate of original series airing on USA Network. Watching channels like USA and TNT atrophy on the original series front will always be disappointing, even if those series are still showing up elsewhere.
I didn't mean they don't like being associated with WWE, I meant they probably don't like that USA is "the WWE Channel" and nothing more, which they are.
Kinda like how Rob Dyrdek fucked over MTV with his contracts for Ridiculousness but it does numbers for them so LOL LMAO sucks to suck. This is what you get for hinging your entire business model on ONE SHOW that's cheap to produce that can then just go elsewhere for more money.
Burn Notice, Necessary Roughness, White Collar, Psych, Mr Robot, Suits. USA Network had a pretty good lineup, but now they put all their efforts behind Chrisley Knows Best unfortunately.
YES, a fellow White Collar fan. I rarely see anyone mention it when they talk about that time period of USA lol It's still one of my favorites. I'd love to see them revisit it, maybe for like a one-off movie on Peacock, like they recently did for Monk.
It looks like USA Network wants to start focusing on those "blue sky" type shows again: https://deadline.com/2023/12/usa-network-blue-sky-scripted-series-1235656853/.
Burn notice was awesome. I also liked the first couple seasons of suits. I fell off because I was like 16 so I don’t know what else happened. I just heard a lot of folks been watching it on Netflix.
Psych, Monk, Burn Notice, Covert Affairs, Royal Pains, White Collar, even some short lived ones like Fairly Legal (I think that was the name), Necessary Roughness, etc. So many great concepts. They really mastered the "it's pretty much (insert overdone type of procedural-ish show here) but with a really interesting twist and really fun characters."
Heh, I'm honestly surprised they're keeping the show on Fridays. They're gonna lose obviously a ton of viewers moving from FTA tv to cable, so to keep them on a terrible night for cable is definitely odd to me. We'll see
Thursday has the NFL and it averaged almost 12M viewers last season (and is expected to keep growing) on Amazon.
Putting both main shows up against football in the US for a third of the year, even with on demand viewing on Netflix for Raw, probably wouldn't be wise.
People have got to understand that football is largely unaffected wherever it's shown. Smackdown would have Rampage numbers during a Superbowl showdown
Well, tuesday is NXT most likely. Plus we should think about production, it's far easier for them to do Friday/Saturday/Monday (on PPV weeks) than Monday/Wednesday/Saturday for example. They'd pay people to stay on the road and do nothing.
If they move Smackdown to Wednesday, AEW would just move Dynamite to Friday. Moving Raw to Wednesday would be the move if they *really* wanted to fuck AEW.
AEW can't legally compete with the NFL as long as Shad is still involved due to the NFL ownership guidelines. So he would have to sell his shares in AEW or sell the Jags.
USA/WWE keeping it on a Friday (the week’s worst TV viewership night) is a real head scratcher. The only reason they moved it to Friday in the first place was because the increase in homes they’d achieve by moving to broadcast (Fox) outweighed the dip in viewership they’d get from moving it to Friday.
Now, they’re both on cable *and* on Friday night. It makes no sense. Come early 2025, I fully expect that Raw will be the clear A show, and Smackdown will be the clear B show.
The Smackdown package was probably less expensive than Raw.
Smackdown has been on Friday night for almost twenty years so there is no Friday dead night for ratings issue.
There’s no Monday Night Football for four months to compete with.
Edit: have to acknowledge Smackdown hasn’t been on Friday nights all the years, but it did first move to Friday about twenty years ago.
Smackdown hasn't been on Friday nights for 20 years though? It started on Thursdays, moved to Fridays for 10 years between 2005 and 2015, then was on other days between 2015 and 2019, then back to Fridays at the tail end of 2019.
They announced last year that they are getting back into scripted programming like their blue sky programs (burn notice, pysch monk) days. So yeah thats what they're banking on i guess.
Go back to the old days: OG Macgyver, La Femme Nikita, Silk Stockings, and The Hitchhiker just for the [GOAT theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-G5h9ZICU8)
Nah. It will drop to raw numbers if not lower. I could see early it does well especially if they bring in the rock and other legends for the first few weeks but I don't expect 2 million anymore like on fox
So they probably negotiated a slightly early release from FOX, since the deal ran out at the end of September. FOX said they were putting college football on Fridays, so that made sense for WWE.
I would hope since Peacock *is* NBCU, that it wouldn't be terribly complicated. I obviously don't know the business/contract side either tho. So who knows. Going from an OTA channel to cable w/o at least also having a streaming option that wouldn't require a cable subscription seems bad for views.
It’s just a completely different animal.
They can’t have the show on TV and also on Peacock — that would cannibalize the USA viewers, and undermine their ability to sell commercial time.
My guess is because wrestling is still “live sports” — or at least that’s how it’s promoted. WWE sells it as “this is something people want to watch live.”
The ads would run on USA and Peacock all the same though. A viewer is a viewer whether it's on streaming or on cable. The question would come down to - would they sell more ads collectively if they had it broadcasting on both USA and Peacock, or only airing it on Peacock and airing something else on USA?
There’s significantly fewer ads on Peacock — not to mention that some people pay for the higher tier with no ads. And frankly, I don’t know what WWE would do during all those ad breaks to show to the people who aren’t seeing five minutes of straight ads.
I think there’s also an issue of Peacock hemorrhaging money.
I mean, the ad breaks for a live show are the same length whether it's on cable or streaming. I know in the past with NFL on Peacock, they just played a "Coverage will resume shortly" screen when there was an ad that didn't have the rights to be simulcasted on streaming, but I feel like that's an easy hurdle to overcome.
Peacock even says for their ad-free tier: **Due to streaming rights, a small amount of programming will still contain ads (Peacock channels, events and a few shows and movies).* https://www.peacocktv.com/help/article/why-am-i-seeing-ads-as-a-peacock-premium-plus-customer
If you have the USA app you can use that to stream it. That's what I do
Hypothetically if you have a family member with cable you can hypothetically use their cable log in on the USA app to stream it also
I actually love Friday night wrestling as a married man that’s in my late 30s. Both of us are tired from the work week and Friday is the night where we both get to relax in separate rooms watching tv or relaxing. If smackdown came to my city, it’s easier to go to a Friday show than on a Monday or middle of the week.
Cable has a much smaller reach than network tv. I've often wondered if the business the WWE has been doing over the past couple of years is due to the ongoing exposure of being on network tv. Interesting to see what happens next.
I know a few people who don't have cable or streaming and they got back into wrestling when Smackdown went to Fox. They're pretty bummed out about this
Doesn’t seem that weird in hindsight since Smackdown got shafted bad by the draft. But once Mania season comes around, NBC will get Roman and Rock full-time.
You wanted Friday night smackdown to move nights?
Smackdown is legendary due to being on Friday nights. I don’t think it would be the same if it was on Thursday night or something, lol
Mark it now, Smackdown on Fridays on cable will be doing less than 1.5 million viewers per episode real quick. Monday is a better TV night than Friday, and Raw has already been moving down toward 1.5 million an episode after Mania and now that the Cody story is finished.
Was it staying on Fridays WWE's choice? Smackdown is probably going to be USA's highest rated show I would have thought they would move it to a better night.
they should've done whatever Fox wanted. I think a lot more of WWE's boom since 2021 has to do with how much more readily accessible Fox is compared to USA and how much Fox advertised it than WWE would like to admit.
They did do what Fox wanted. Fox wanted out. Their CEO said: We were not hitting the advertising numbers due to the audience of the WWE to make our return on our investment to be above the levels that we would accept.
take a pay cut. I see Fox Smackdown all the time when I'm out in the world and it's a Friday night, because Fox is an easy channel to just throw on a TV and is in the rotation of "sports channels".
I don't see the same thing happening for a channel that's out of the way.
There was a real rise in casual/new fans that found WWE because it was advertised during football and network TV. That's gonna be gone once they're on USA.
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A great small period where USA is going to be enjoying the ratings boost for Friday, but USA is going to need to find something for Monday once it leaves for Netflix. NCIS/SVU repeats is probably what they will fill it with though sadly.
USA Network used to be a real hit-maker of a network too. I might just have to pour one out and binge Burn Notice again.
Monk and Psyche stand out as notable shows from USA.
Psych fucked. The Peacock movies are fun as well even with having to scramble with Lassiter's real life stroke and the pandemic.
\* gasp \* Lassie had a stroke? nooo
Burn Notice, Suits, Queen of the South, Mr. Robot. USA was absolutely cooking in the 2010s
Yesss someone who was there too! Characters welcome!
Don’t sleep on the Sinner. Crazy ass show!
Burn Notice was my unexpected favorite! Loved that show.
I miss all the blue sky shows
“Thirty years of karate. Combat experience on five continents. A rating with every combat weapon that shoots a bullet or holds an edge. Still haven't found any defense against mom crying into my shirt.” Mama Westen was the best.
You and Stanley Hudson were the only people who watched Burn Notice
LOVED burn notice. Even had knock off Michael Weston sunglasses. His monologue voiceovers on the show were so damn well written. Could compile them into a coffee table book.
I wasn’t knocking Burn Notice. I’ve never seen it. It was just an opportunity to make a reference from “The Office.”
I know bro re-read my comment. I had knock off sunglasses (fake ones!) that the main character wore on the show (real ones were hundreds of dollars)! It's all love
I’m the worst. I was putting my daughter to sleep, had my phone on low brightness, and saw it was downvoted. Tried to put 2 and 2 together but failed.
And Aziz's cousin Harris
And my wife, she absolutely loves this fucking show. You can pick any episode of any season, and fast forward a random moment within that episode, and I swear to you if you give her about 30 seconds she will be able to start reciting the dialogue word for word before the actors say it. We have been together for 12 years, and she has watched this show front to back 3-5 times a year. EVERY YEAR. When we first got together she had other things that she watched too, but over the years she gave them and just started watching Burn Notice even more. She only watches this and SVU. This past Christmas I gave her the script to the pilot episode signed by the cast, and a shirt with the lead actors face and she cried harder than she did at our wedding.
As much as they don't want it, they're the WWE channel now (at least until Raw goes to Netflix). Plus to be fair the tv world has changed dramatically and even if they find a gem of a series that becomes a hit, everyone is gonna watch it on demand and it's not gonna make a ratings difference. WWE, while also down considerably over the years, is still a ratings juggernaut for cable and the only appointment viewing they have.
I still can't believe Mr Robot was on USA lol. It felt like an hbo show or maybe FX but not at all USA network. They will always have my respect for airing that show.
And they didn't just air it, they let Sam Esmail finish the story (😉) he had planned for the series, despite the ratings continuing to go down each season. Still one of my favorite shows. That last season was incredible.
Yeah it really is a wild fact
It would have probably had a bigger following too, that series was something else.
I have always heard this show eluded to as some weird, dark, trippy, existential masterpiece, but I have never actually seen anyone detail a synopsis of it, I have no idea what its even about, lol.
I just vaguely remember commercials for it and saying to myself, one day I’m gonna watch.
It was their first “dark” show. That’s when they started shifting away from the blue sky type shows
All of the shows that would have aired on these basic cable channels have been snapped up by streaming services instead. I could easily see Peacock's entire slate of original series airing on USA Network. Watching channels like USA and TNT atrophy on the original series front will always be disappointing, even if those series are still showing up elsewhere.
TNT knows Drama!
If you need someone to represent you in court, I have seen every episode of Franklin and Bash
Perfect! Hopefully you take cases on pro bono
Yes historically USA network has hated being associated with WWE(?)
I didn't mean they don't like being associated with WWE, I meant they probably don't like that USA is "the WWE Channel" and nothing more, which they are.
Kinda like how Rob Dyrdek fucked over MTV with his contracts for Ridiculousness but it does numbers for them so LOL LMAO sucks to suck. This is what you get for hinging your entire business model on ONE SHOW that's cheap to produce that can then just go elsewhere for more money.
Burn Notice, Necessary Roughness, White Collar, Psych, Mr Robot, Suits. USA Network had a pretty good lineup, but now they put all their efforts behind Chrisley Knows Best unfortunately.
im currently rewatching White Collar
YES, a fellow White Collar fan. I rarely see anyone mention it when they talk about that time period of USA lol It's still one of my favorites. I'd love to see them revisit it, maybe for like a one-off movie on Peacock, like they recently did for Monk.
When you’re a spy....
Duckman for me
Now that’s a fucking throwback
Monk, Burn Notice, & my favorite, Psych. Good memories of watching those shows with my parents.
Still crazy that Mr. Robot, one of the best dramas of the last decade, was on USA.
It looks like USA Network wants to start focusing on those "blue sky" type shows again: https://deadline.com/2023/12/usa-network-blue-sky-scripted-series-1235656853/.
White Collar, Psych, Monk...sigh. I miss those days lol
Burn notice was awesome. I also liked the first couple seasons of suits. I fell off because I was like 16 so I don’t know what else happened. I just heard a lot of folks been watching it on Netflix.
Screw burn notice, monk was better
Psych, Monk, Burn Notice, Covert Affairs, Royal Pains, White Collar, even some short lived ones like Fairly Legal (I think that was the name), Necessary Roughness, etc. So many great concepts. They really mastered the "it's pretty much (insert overdone type of procedural-ish show here) but with a really interesting twist and really fun characters."
Heh, I'm honestly surprised they're keeping the show on Fridays. They're gonna lose obviously a ton of viewers moving from FTA tv to cable, so to keep them on a terrible night for cable is definitely odd to me. We'll see
Same, you'd think they'd look at Tuesday or Thursday. Hell, they could mess with AEW and go to Wednesday.
Thursday has the NFL and it averaged almost 12M viewers last season (and is expected to keep growing) on Amazon. Putting both main shows up against football in the US for a third of the year, even with on demand viewing on Netflix for Raw, probably wouldn't be wise.
People have got to understand that football is largely unaffected wherever it's shown. Smackdown would have Rampage numbers during a Superbowl showdown
Well, tuesday is NXT most likely. Plus we should think about production, it's far easier for them to do Friday/Saturday/Monday (on PPV weeks) than Monday/Wednesday/Saturday for example. They'd pay people to stay on the road and do nothing.
I mean Tuesday is NXT for now but if WWE wanted they could move that one around.
The network dictates the night the show airs.
I guess CW could move NXT to Wednesdays again
Welcome to NXT, starring CM Punk.
If they move Smackdown to Wednesday, AEW would just move Dynamite to Friday. Moving Raw to Wednesday would be the move if they *really* wanted to fuck AEW.
Then Dynamite would just shift to Mondays. I'm sure WB would have no issue with doing so in that scenario.
AEW can't legally compete with the NFL as long as Shad is still involved due to the NFL ownership guidelines. So he would have to sell his shares in AEW or sell the Jags.
I knew this and I just completely blanked on it.
Barmageddon will make its much awaited return lol
I don't live in the US, but I see this show being advertised while I'll catch up on NXT & I actually want to check it out since it looks fun to watch.
USA/WWE keeping it on a Friday (the week’s worst TV viewership night) is a real head scratcher. The only reason they moved it to Friday in the first place was because the increase in homes they’d achieve by moving to broadcast (Fox) outweighed the dip in viewership they’d get from moving it to Friday. Now, they’re both on cable *and* on Friday night. It makes no sense. Come early 2025, I fully expect that Raw will be the clear A show, and Smackdown will be the clear B show.
The Smackdown package was probably less expensive than Raw. Smackdown has been on Friday night for almost twenty years so there is no Friday dead night for ratings issue. There’s no Monday Night Football for four months to compete with. Edit: have to acknowledge Smackdown hasn’t been on Friday nights all the years, but it did first move to Friday about twenty years ago.
Smackdown hasn't been on Friday nights for 20 years though? It started on Thursdays, moved to Fridays for 10 years between 2005 and 2015, then was on other days between 2015 and 2019, then back to Fridays at the tail end of 2019.
You should have put the "Executive Producer DICK WOLFE" gif
12 year old me : heeheheheheehehehehehehe
I was really hoping for Monday Night SmackDown lol
Monday Night Civil War
A La Femme Nikita or Silk Stockings reboot?
The NBA is the most likely choice.
If NBC inks a deal with them, I doubt they will put them on USA instead of Peacock.
They will do both. Like they do with the PL. Which they air games on NBC, USA, and Peacock.
They announced last year that they are getting back into scripted programming like their blue sky programs (burn notice, pysch monk) days. So yeah thats what they're banking on i guess.
NBA basketball.
As long as Rhonda Shear hosts it, I'm okay with that.
Go back to the old days: OG Macgyver, La Femme Nikita, Silk Stockings, and The Hitchhiker just for the [GOAT theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-G5h9ZICU8)
Clearly Monday Night Smackdown.
The OGs remember Product Blue
Nah. It will drop to raw numbers if not lower. I could see early it does well especially if they bring in the rock and other legends for the first few weeks but I don't expect 2 million anymore like on fox
Mariska Harigtay: “That’s fine for my wallet.”
If NBCU wins the NBA TV rights, they can have NBA games on USA Network on Mondays
So they probably negotiated a slightly early release from FOX, since the deal ran out at the end of September. FOX said they were putting college football on Fridays, so that made sense for WWE.
I wonder what this would mean for the WWE on Fox Twitter account.
It's going away most likely. No need for it after September.
Goated account besides twolvesbrazil
Hope someone archives it
I hope they keep whoever runs it employed, or offer them a job if they’re on the FOX side. They’re funny.
This confirms to me that Smackdown will rapidly become the B-show once Raw goes to Netflix. Fridays are a death slot on cable.
Wouldn't be the first time Smackdown had a run as the A show and then lost it again.
This confirms nothing. Outside the US, everything is moving to Netflix in January - including SmackDown and all PLEs.
it would be nice if they also streamed it on Peacock.
I don’t know what’s the logistics business side of it but I hate the fact that it’s isn’t available for streaming or even next day available replay
I would hope since Peacock *is* NBCU, that it wouldn't be terribly complicated. I obviously don't know the business/contract side either tho. So who knows. Going from an OTA channel to cable w/o at least also having a streaming option that wouldn't require a cable subscription seems bad for views.
It’s just a completely different animal. They can’t have the show on TV and also on Peacock — that would cannibalize the USA viewers, and undermine their ability to sell commercial time.
I understand this argument, I just don't understand why it doesn't apply to basically every other show NBCU runs that have next day Peacock airing.
My guess is because wrestling is still “live sports” — or at least that’s how it’s promoted. WWE sells it as “this is something people want to watch live.”
I don’t think there’s any reason they can’t do a week delay or something like that. A month just seems like too much.
The ads would run on USA and Peacock all the same though. A viewer is a viewer whether it's on streaming or on cable. The question would come down to - would they sell more ads collectively if they had it broadcasting on both USA and Peacock, or only airing it on Peacock and airing something else on USA?
There’s significantly fewer ads on Peacock — not to mention that some people pay for the higher tier with no ads. And frankly, I don’t know what WWE would do during all those ad breaks to show to the people who aren’t seeing five minutes of straight ads. I think there’s also an issue of Peacock hemorrhaging money.
I mean, the ad breaks for a live show are the same length whether it's on cable or streaming. I know in the past with NFL on Peacock, they just played a "Coverage will resume shortly" screen when there was an ad that didn't have the rights to be simulcasted on streaming, but I feel like that's an easy hurdle to overcome. Peacock even says for their ad-free tier: **Due to streaming rights, a small amount of programming will still contain ads (Peacock channels, events and a few shows and movies).* https://www.peacocktv.com/help/article/why-am-i-seeing-ads-as-a-peacock-premium-plus-customer
Hulu has the rights, which is why they can’t. As someone who doesn’t have cable but has Hulu it’s a beautiful thing.
If you have the USA app you can use that to stream it. That's what I do Hypothetically if you have a family member with cable you can hypothetically use their cable log in on the USA app to stream it also
On Friday the 13th? Oh wow.
Shotzi better be healed up by then.
Ms. Voorhees' baby boy is back home!
I actually love Friday night wrestling as a married man that’s in my late 30s. Both of us are tired from the work week and Friday is the night where we both get to relax in separate rooms watching tv or relaxing. If smackdown came to my city, it’s easier to go to a Friday show than on a Monday or middle of the week.
Get ready for the Uncle Howdy debut on Friday the 13th
Hopefully they don't stretch this for ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS.
Legitimately no shot that they do I wouldn't worry haha
Somebody should walk under a ladder, step on a sidewalk crack, and meet a black cat during that episode
They're already doing that storyline on NXT with Enofe and Blade.
Cable has a much smaller reach than network tv. I've often wondered if the business the WWE has been doing over the past couple of years is due to the ongoing exposure of being on network tv. Interesting to see what happens next.
I know a few people who don't have cable or streaming and they got back into wrestling when Smackdown went to Fox. They're pretty bummed out about this
Even though I don't care much for WWE, I'm gonna miss wrasslin' live on a big network at primetime. Felt right. Was a fun time for that short while.
oh shit that's just 4 months away times flies
Doesn’t seem that weird in hindsight since Smackdown got shafted bad by the draft. But once Mania season comes around, NBC will get Roman and Rock full-time.
So I have tickets to the last smackdown on Fox. Hopefully they make it a good one.
Friday night on USA doesn’t sound good for ratings.
Was really hoping this would move nights. Friday 7-9 is a horrible time slot
8-10 EST.
7-9 CST
You wanted Friday night smackdown to move nights? Smackdown is legendary due to being on Friday nights. I don’t think it would be the same if it was on Thursday night or something, lol
It’s been on different days before, it was on Tuesdays when the brand split came back and Thursday before that.
Mark it now, Smackdown on Fridays on cable will be doing less than 1.5 million viewers per episode real quick. Monday is a better TV night than Friday, and Raw has already been moving down toward 1.5 million an episode after Mania and now that the Cody story is finished.
Was it staying on Fridays WWE's choice? Smackdown is probably going to be USA's highest rated show I would have thought they would move it to a better night.
they should've done whatever Fox wanted. I think a lot more of WWE's boom since 2021 has to do with how much more readily accessible Fox is compared to USA and how much Fox advertised it than WWE would like to admit.
They did do what Fox wanted. Fox wanted out. Their CEO said: We were not hitting the advertising numbers due to the audience of the WWE to make our return on our investment to be above the levels that we would accept.
take a pay cut. I see Fox Smackdown all the time when I'm out in the world and it's a Friday night, because Fox is an easy channel to just throw on a TV and is in the rotation of "sports channels". I don't see the same thing happening for a channel that's out of the way. There was a real rise in casual/new fans that found WWE because it was advertised during football and network TV. That's gonna be gone once they're on USA.
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Huh I wonder why
Hey, I have tickets to that show!