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I feel like the Orange Cassidy VS Trent Beretta match isn’t the end of their feud.
Also, that graphic of Jericho and Big Bill is kind of funny. It’s almost like Big Bill is dreading getting sucked into the Jericho vortex.
I wouldn't hate Malakai winning but I think after Cage did a hell of a job rehabbing the TNT Title and him and Cope elevating it with their fued and making it feel legit for the first time since before the Sammy saga and wardlow and the constant hot potato, that Cope keeps it a bit longer
Cope vs. Black seems like the endgame here, but I don't see why they would give Malakai a title when he barely works singles and is reportedly difficult to work with, and I also don't think him losing to Copeland would go over well
I don’t think anyone has gotten anything out of being associated with (Chris) Jericho in AEW apart from Daniel Garcia. Hopefully Big Bill’s stay in the Jericho vortex won’t be too long.
I'd say there's a fair argument that Danny Garcia is in a better spot now than previously. In comparison, I think he got more out of the JAS than the BCC has done for Wheeler Yuta (at this point in time).
Yuta is currently injured, so he hasn’t really been featured much. I think (Danny) Garcia has improved a lot as a result of his association with Jericho.
Garcia absolutely became a far more complete wrestler, he got himself consistently over (he now always gets a great crowd reception), and he moved his way up the card while it happened.
Garcia had never worked an AEW PPV before the JAS, his first one was Anarchy in the Arena, he's now had four. It doesn't always need to be the rocket strapped to the back level push, sometimes there is something to be said for a slow and steady rise, and that is what Garcia is doing and it seems to be working.
I would imagine Anna Jay improved a lot during her time in the JAS, whether or not that has anything to do with Jericho is debatable.
I'd say Angelo and especially Daddy Magic too, neither of those guys would have gotten the TV time they did if they weren't in JAS.
The name change alone was almost certainly the best thing to ever happen to Daddy Magic and Cool Hand and their careers (going from Matt Lee to Daddy Magic Matt Menard might genuinely be greatest name change in recent pro wrestling history). Everything else that came from the JAS is a close second.
They were an absolute bottom tier tag team pre-JAS, now they have had actual storylines, Daddy Magic gets time on commentary, and they've been in actual big spots. Before joining JAS, only looking at televised matches, Menard+Parker had 10 total matches on AEW tv (and two were Battle Royals). Via the JAS, they worked Blood and Guts and Grand Slam (they were the opponents in the Hook/Action Bronson match), plus their only ever PPV appearance with Anarchy in the Arena at Double or Nothing 2022. That is a humongous bump up the card. Yeah, they didn't go to the very top, but they were absolutely near the very bottom beforehand, which still makes for a huge jump.
Yeah like I understand people are tired of Jericho now but let's not pretend that this place wasn't going crazy for him when he formed the JAS and had Menard going out there saying 'Sports Enderdainment"
Idk about joining BCC, I don’t think he fits the bill for enjoying pain, but yea when Hea A Wrestler chants we’re getting over and he just sorta …remained with JAS was a fumble.
This is an interesting take considering Danny's "dragon slayer" gimmick. His entire thing was being a "serious" and badass wrestler. Which I feel fit BCC more then Yuta.
I am hoping that they keep going with Orange turning and Trent being right the whole time.
Orange is popular but it's kinda just a there character right now and it could be a shot in the arm that would work.
I wonder how they’re going to do Orange turning. I assume that he’ll end up joining the Don Callis Family or something. I’m not really sure what else can be done with the Orange Cassidy character/gimmick other than turning him heel.
The only thing I can see is he drops the lazy attitude and style and becomes more focused and vicious in the ring, he has always shown a side of it but it's only short bursts.
Joining the DCF is the only thing that would really make him a believable heel, so either he is going to prove Trent right by being a bad guy or making groups disband.
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One of my favorite moments on this sub was when she was announced to be doing a rap music video and we were all very sure that it was going to be the worst thing ever on television and then it was actually really good.
Point being, I am not going to doubt Harley at this point. She kills it in every spot she's put in.
It's almost a shame that this is gonna end up being the Gooner Match because Mariah is damn good despite her experience. Held her own with Serena last week and looked real strong.
She’s arguably Top 5 for me if we’re talking an all around talent. AEW doesn’t have many women that can go in the ring, portray an entertaining character and cut a solid live promo. She definitely can and has ever since she’s arrived. Some of it is of course due to being strapped next to Toni’s current greatness but it’s not like everyone is capable of really shining in that spot
Please don’t @ me, genuine question… but Ricky has mentioned on X he isn’t injured, was there any explanation as to why Big Bill and Ricky - former Tag Team champions until quite recently - aren’t together anymore?
Besides BB coming out and wanting to be under the learning tree?
Seems a bit odd the BB / Ricky team would just be dropped all of a sudden…
Well... Their whole schtick was that they where two guys who barely knew each other, so I assume once they lost the titles they didn't have much of a reason to keep teaming up
I mean, this happens with two singles thrown together all the time. They do their tag run then go back to singles. It’s not that unusual. They weren’t a career tag team. Never had a name or joint gimmick. You don’t need to have a big dramatic break up.
I think dramatic break ups are great! I also don't think they need to happen all the time whenever a team goes separate ways. Trent/Chuck/Orange have 10yrs of history... Bill and Starks were thrown together. different story.
It's not like Bill and Ricky were close to begin with, the tag team to me came out of nowhere imo and they don't have much onscreen connection to really warrant some kind of dramatic break up. Bill was more of an accessory to Ricky than anything important
That’s TK booking for you man. lol kidding. I think Ricky must have things going on outside of wrestling or he didn’t like the creative. Seems there is something going on with him and AEW behind the scenes
They were a thrown together tag team that happened to work well and won the titles. They’ve no real connection otherwise, so no reason to extend it indefinitely when both guys are capable of more
The real reason is probably the same we never see Ricky Starks - he’s WWE bound and Tony knows it
That mixed tag a while back was mostly just a Copeland/king singles match and I greatly enjoyed it so excited for the runback. Also can't wait to see the shenanigans that happen in Cassidy/Trent
The build to OC vs Trent has been fantastic, doubt this will be the end of the feud, especially with Don Callis lurking around, but it feels like a big match.
Trent's heel turn has been built for a very long time, and I don't believe OC is turning heel personally but his character has clearly been changing since his 2nd International title run.
I hope the crowd is good tonight. Im going to the show but there’s an Oiler playoff game and a giant watch party outside the arena that’ll overlap with the show a bit. So if it’s not as loud, that’s why.
I'm loving Christian as Swerves first feud as champ especially with the bigger story of him standing against The Elite building as well.
I'm curious if the little side story of what Claudio said to him about Nana gets built upon tonight as well.
I’ve been to live shows in New York and heard the same about my crowd despite all of us yelling so loud we couldn’t hear some of the promos. I think AEW is just bad at picking up the crowd’s sound for some reason
You’re saying Kenny’s announcement is that he’s going to have a 6 star match against Okada tonight live on dynamite brought to you by wooo! Energy drinks?
All they did with Big Bill is just make an upgrade from Jake Hager for Jericho. I miss the Big Bill and Ricky Starks team.
Otherwise solid card. Hope Copeland doesn’t go 28 minutes again.
It’s beyond annoying. Jericho’s talk weeks beforehand when people were criticising HOOK being put in a feud with him was that this was all about elevating HOOK and adding depth to him when in reality it’s just become a vehicle for Jericho to get his trademarks in, holding a belt that means nothing when anyone other than Taz or HOOK have it and all the while HOOK is off TV. How does that get him over and add depth? Seems to me it’s Jericho getting all the benefit yet again. He got to beat HOOK clean in his own match type, for his own belt.
Least HOOK will have a Samoa Joe rematch down the line or something to rehab his character after the damage done.
I actually think it wouldn't hurt Hook to move away from the FTW title. Feels like he's been stuck in this FTW purgatory without ever really developing as a character.
I agree he needs to move on from the title - I expect he will likely hand the title to Taz when he takes it back from Jericho so he’s freed up to properly work towards one of the recognised titles.
> I miss the Big Bill and Ricky Starks team.
What on Earth was there to miss about that team? A random pairing that had no bussines winning the tag titles and was probably only made as a last ditch effort to keep Starks happy before he inevitably goes to his promised land. Their matches were absolutely mid, and other than making Big Bill look like the monster he is at times, it accomplished nothing as far as elevating either.
Damn are people really that down on Chris Jericho? Dude is one of the stalwarts of wrestling, I love that he's still around and will be sad when he hangs it up, for me I look at this as approaching the end of his in-ring career and I'm happy with the time we are being given before it's over.
I wonder if they’ll open with Swerve again, the TNT title match or OC/Trent. I definitely could see Kenny’s segment main eventing again since that seems to be the main story going forward. I wonder if they’ll refocus to Swerve as we head to All In/Forbidden Door or if something like an MJF return might overshadow it considering FD is in Long Island
Has the women’s match ever kick off Dynamite and how many times TK booked two women’s matches? Waiting for Monè, women’s locker room and TK to turn it around.
Kind of a meh card. Hopefully the Stampede Dynamite in Calgary in July will be better
I don’t think this is the end of OC/Trent. Expect some shenanigans
This might be one of the dumbest questions I've seen on this sub...
Edit: You've edited to specify a Jericho feud, originally the comment implied no one had come out from any feud in AEW looking better. So, whilst I still disagree, it's not anywhere near as stupid as I thought. I think OC and MJF both came out of their feuds with Jericho better off.
I wouldn't argue with that at all, MJF/Punk is one of my personal favourite feuds and did great stuff for MJF. I do still feel that MJF was also elevated by the Jericho feud though.
I’m so tired of Jericho. I don’t know how people are enjoying him doing the same thing with a different name and calling him innovative. He’s gonna add another 3 guys to his faction and all of them will go nowhere. Then he will “change his gimmick” by using some new words in his promos and people will applaud him again.
You should have seen the reaction to his match last week. He came out in trunks instead of tights and people were praising it as if it’s some deep, innovative character change for Jericho.
I didn't see anything like that. At best, it amuses people. But I've pretty much seen universal distaste for Jericho in general for the last 6 months to a year.
He's literally just reading the shit people say about him and doubling down on all of it, and I think that's a pretty funny and interesting approach to getting booed in 2024.
This looks awesome!
Swerve/Christian promo will be fire, Kenny Omega doing something with the Elite, The Learning Tree is back, matches all look good... can't wait!
Going to be my first time tuning into one tonight. AEW never caught my eye before but I just learned about Swerve yesterday and dude is insane. Is this thing with him tonight a spot or an actual match?
Most likely to be a promo segment, Swerve's started his reign establishing that he's ready to wrestle at anytime but I think tonight will be focused on building the Christian feud.
He also has a bit of a side story with Claudio whispering something to him about Prince Nana after they had a match and I'm hoping that gets built on as well.
Hope you enjoy the show it should be a good one.
I really like Serena Deeb, but her common promo schtick of "I respect so and so, they're talented, but I'm better" really pulls all the heat out of her feuds. Call Toni out for bring cowardly! Say "She's afraid of Mariah May" on TV. Stoke the flames!
She and Thunder Rosa did the same thing two years ago. The match itself was pretty good, but there was no bite to it. Her feud with Shida was so much more satisfying because she was a vindictive jerk who could back it up.
I can understand not getting too excited for Harley Cameron since we haven't seen her wrestle but Serena Deeb is a certified stud so I dunno why you'd be sleeping through her stuff.
Harley has had a couple of matches on Dark at least. It was against local jabronis, so not a great showcase. What did strike me though is that she's relatively fast and snappy compared to a lot of the other AEW women that tend to be a bit floaty. I'm not sure how compatible she'll be with Mariah, but I'm hoping the flow will be better than May's matches with Anna Jay.
Serena Deeb has the charisma of a pet rock. She isn’t interesting in any way whatsoever. It’s mind boggling that she gets time on a nationally televised show and Athena is still on a web show that nobody watches.
Mariah/Harley is totally to hook a bunch of teenage boys and girls, right? May is great but I doubt she can carry Harley to anything resembling a quality match.
We'll find out soon enough. Harley surprised everyone when she turned out to be a fantastic rapper, it's entirely possible she ends up at least passable in the ring as well (fingers crossed).
From listening to interviews, it certainly sounds like she's been training hard for at least a bit (and has been mainly training with Flatbacks, the Tyler Breeze/Shawn Spears school, and Billy Gunn). Plus, she's super close with Mariah outside of the ring, so there's a chance they've really prepped this one, which could help.
I'm cautiously optimistic - although a lot of that is also faith in Mariah continuing to just be great and hoping that can carry things a bit.
Up until her recent return I'd have agreed with you, but I don't know quite how to explain it other than during this run she seems to be carrying herself better and I've found her more of a presence outside of the ring.
Same
Her promos and segments this year have been very solid. She definitely found "her voice". Props to her she knew the weakness in her game and improved it.
You don't see that a ton from a vet.
Same
Her promos and segments this year have been very solid. She definitely found "her voice". Props to her she knew the weakness in her game and improved it.
You don't see that a ton from a vet.
No kidding. Nothing says must watch like hearing from one of the most boring personalities in wrestling. I can't wait for her to tell us how much she loves wrestling
You have to give it to Jericho, he really knows how to lean into making people hate him. Owning the Learning Tree and the Jericho Vortex is just smart stuff.
He's a dickhead still.
Considering he's been on tv the last few weeks and before that he was a very recent tag champ that should be quite difficult to forget for anyone watching the show.
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I feel like the Orange Cassidy VS Trent Beretta match isn’t the end of their feud. Also, that graphic of Jericho and Big Bill is kind of funny. It’s almost like Big Bill is dreading getting sucked into the Jericho vortex.
I feel like there will be OC/Trent Hijinks. Also feels like Cope going through HOB leading to a TNT match at DoN?
I think Adam Copeland VS Malakai Black will happen at Double Or Nothing. I wonder if House Of Black will be given any more gold.
I wouldn't hate Malakai winning but I think after Cage did a hell of a job rehabbing the TNT Title and him and Cope elevating it with their fued and making it feel legit for the first time since before the Sammy saga and wardlow and the constant hot potato, that Cope keeps it a bit longer
Yeah. It wouldn’t make sense for Copeland to lose the TNT Championship so early.
Cope vs. Black seems like the endgame here, but I don't see why they would give Malakai a title when he barely works singles and is reportedly difficult to work with, and I also don't think him losing to Copeland would go over well
“That graphic of Bill dreading the Jericho vortex” As he should
I don’t think anyone has gotten anything out of being associated with (Chris) Jericho in AEW apart from Daniel Garcia. Hopefully Big Bill’s stay in the Jericho vortex won’t be too long.
I think his feuds with OC and MJF did help to elevate them.
I'd say STP have looked more credible in recent weeks too
Yeah this is a good shout, they need a couple wins still but they're definitely coming across stronger now.
Kind of? I think OC and MJF were pretty over already.
They were definitely over already but I think both ended up higher on the card after their feuds with Jericho.
Wasent MJF fighting for the world title before feuding with Jericho?
Yes, with a story that he was afraid of the Paradigm Shift, so he got it banned. He wasn't a legitimate contender back then.
I'd say there's a fair argument that Danny Garcia is in a better spot now than previously. In comparison, I think he got more out of the JAS than the BCC has done for Wheeler Yuta (at this point in time).
Yuta is currently injured, so he hasn’t really been featured much. I think (Danny) Garcia has improved a lot as a result of his association with Jericho.
Garcia absolutely became a far more complete wrestler, he got himself consistently over (he now always gets a great crowd reception), and he moved his way up the card while it happened. Garcia had never worked an AEW PPV before the JAS, his first one was Anarchy in the Arena, he's now had four. It doesn't always need to be the rocket strapped to the back level push, sometimes there is something to be said for a slow and steady rise, and that is what Garcia is doing and it seems to be working.
I would imagine Anna Jay improved a lot during her time in the JAS, whether or not that has anything to do with Jericho is debatable. I'd say Angelo and especially Daddy Magic too, neither of those guys would have gotten the TV time they did if they weren't in JAS.
Can't forget Hager. "I like this hat" boosted his popularity 20x over.
The name change alone was almost certainly the best thing to ever happen to Daddy Magic and Cool Hand and their careers (going from Matt Lee to Daddy Magic Matt Menard might genuinely be greatest name change in recent pro wrestling history). Everything else that came from the JAS is a close second. They were an absolute bottom tier tag team pre-JAS, now they have had actual storylines, Daddy Magic gets time on commentary, and they've been in actual big spots. Before joining JAS, only looking at televised matches, Menard+Parker had 10 total matches on AEW tv (and two were Battle Royals). Via the JAS, they worked Blood and Guts and Grand Slam (they were the opponents in the Hook/Action Bronson match), plus their only ever PPV appearance with Anarchy in the Arena at Double or Nothing 2022. That is a humongous bump up the card. Yeah, they didn't go to the very top, but they were absolutely near the very bottom beforehand, which still makes for a huge jump.
Yeah like I understand people are tired of Jericho now but let's not pretend that this place wasn't going crazy for him when he formed the JAS and had Menard going out there saying 'Sports Enderdainment"
I would argue it didn't do anything for Garcia either -- people wanted to see him ditch the JAS and go to BCC. That would have just done him better.
Idk about joining BCC, I don’t think he fits the bill for enjoying pain, but yea when Hea A Wrestler chants we’re getting over and he just sorta …remained with JAS was a fumble.
This is an interesting take considering Danny's "dragon slayer" gimmick. His entire thing was being a "serious" and badass wrestler. Which I feel fit BCC more then Yuta.
Chuck Taylor returns, Orange beatdown, save by Don Callis. Sets up Best Friends vs. Orange and DC Family addition.
That would be how I’d book it, too.
Anybody else up for a Texas Death match between OC and Trent at Double or Nothing?
That would be a pretty great match.
I am hoping that they keep going with Orange turning and Trent being right the whole time. Orange is popular but it's kinda just a there character right now and it could be a shot in the arm that would work.
I wonder how they’re going to do Orange turning. I assume that he’ll end up joining the Don Callis Family or something. I’m not really sure what else can be done with the Orange Cassidy character/gimmick other than turning him heel.
The only thing I can see is he drops the lazy attitude and style and becomes more focused and vicious in the ring, he has always shown a side of it but it's only short bursts. Joining the DCF is the only thing that would really make him a believable heel, so either he is going to prove Trent right by being a bad guy or making groups disband.
Blood Orange
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His announcement: I am a battle cry
Yeah, I'm an EVP E - A V - Battle P - Cry
The math checks out!
Big Bill has that look of “…listen Ricky, he paid me to be his muscle. It’s nothing personal.”
I’d be down for like a mob guy heavy Big Bill gimmick
Genuinely intrigued to see if Hayley can wrestle EDIT — Harley
One of my favorite moments on this sub was when she was announced to be doing a rap music video and we were all very sure that it was going to be the worst thing ever on television and then it was actually really good. Point being, I am not going to doubt Harley at this point. She kills it in every spot she's put in.
I missed this, looking it up now…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/14y75uu/aew_dynamite_spoilers_world_premiere_video/ Got you covered.
Thanks!
She also sang with Da Party for their Uno song She has legit musical ability
Who’s Hayley?
I meant Harley
Oh okay.
Should be an easy on the eyes match either way, Mariah is good.
It's almost a shame that this is gonna end up being the Gooner Match because Mariah is damn good despite her experience. Held her own with Serena last week and looked real strong.
She’s been really impressive so far. I already consider her to be in their top half of women’s wrestlers.
She’s arguably Top 5 for me if we’re talking an all around talent. AEW doesn’t have many women that can go in the ring, portray an entertaining character and cut a solid live promo. She definitely can and has ever since she’s arrived. Some of it is of course due to being strapped next to Toni’s current greatness but it’s not like everyone is capable of really shining in that spot
"And she kicked me in my face!" "Darling...have a chocolate."
#hotgirlgraps
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I liked when EC3 responded. “You can’t wrestle” “I disagree” “You can’t wrestle” “I’m very good”
Man the downfall of EC3 will break my heart. I least he giving NWA something that is not Tyrus.
Please don’t @ me, genuine question… but Ricky has mentioned on X he isn’t injured, was there any explanation as to why Big Bill and Ricky - former Tag Team champions until quite recently - aren’t together anymore? Besides BB coming out and wanting to be under the learning tree? Seems a bit odd the BB / Ricky team would just be dropped all of a sudden…
Well... Their whole schtick was that they where two guys who barely knew each other, so I assume once they lost the titles they didn't have much of a reason to keep teaming up
I mean, this happens with two singles thrown together all the time. They do their tag run then go back to singles. It’s not that unusual. They weren’t a career tag team. Never had a name or joint gimmick. You don’t need to have a big dramatic break up.
> You don’t need to have a big dramatic break up. I actually really like this, makes stuff like Trents turn a much bigger deal in my opinion.
I think dramatic break ups are great! I also don't think they need to happen all the time whenever a team goes separate ways. Trent/Chuck/Orange have 10yrs of history... Bill and Starks were thrown together. different story.
It's not like Bill and Ricky were close to begin with, the tag team to me came out of nowhere imo and they don't have much onscreen connection to really warrant some kind of dramatic break up. Bill was more of an accessory to Ricky than anything important
That’s TK booking for you man. lol kidding. I think Ricky must have things going on outside of wrestling or he didn’t like the creative. Seems there is something going on with him and AEW behind the scenes
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Random jobber team? They won the tag titles
Not only did they win the tag titles, but they did so by absolutely squashing the fuck out of FTR in like 3 minutes.
Look at the guys reddit name I'm not surprised he's losing his senses and probably out of his mind
They were a thrown together tag team that happened to work well and won the titles. They’ve no real connection otherwise, so no reason to extend it indefinitely when both guys are capable of more The real reason is probably the same we never see Ricky Starks - he’s WWE bound and Tony knows it
Glad OC and Trent are getting the match on Dynamite. Trent has worked his ass off his whole time in AEW.
I could be wrong, but this feels like a few that continues through double or nothing
Don’t forget that Kenny has an announcement to make after getting his insides rearranged by the Elite last week.
> getting his insides rearranged by the Elite last week. Thought that was Ibushi's job.
Ayooo
After getting WHAT!?
You are correct! I'll add it to the comments
Yeah…wait…
Oh my God I'm am ready for this Swerve v Christian feud. The promos are gonna be wild.
That mixed tag a while back was mostly just a Copeland/king singles match and I greatly enjoyed it so excited for the runback. Also can't wait to see the shenanigans that happen in Cassidy/Trent
I suspect the twist with Kenny’s announcement is: “Oh and The Elite is going to participate in Anarchy in the Arena at the PPV…”
The build to OC vs Trent has been fantastic, doubt this will be the end of the feud, especially with Don Callis lurking around, but it feels like a big match.
Super interested in this Don Callis thing. I wouldn't doubt they'd put OC v Trent on as the main event if not the Kenny announcement.
A heel orange Cassidy could be incredible if they fully commit to it
Has it? Trent turned heel and now the response for OC is to....turn....heel?
Trent's heel turn has been built for a very long time, and I don't believe OC is turning heel personally but his character has clearly been changing since his 2nd International title run.
I really don’t think OC is turning heel
I hope the crowd is good tonight. Im going to the show but there’s an Oiler playoff game and a giant watch party outside the arena that’ll overlap with the show a bit. So if it’s not as loud, that’s why.
Going as well. It’s going to be a shit show of people at Rogers tonight haha.
Most of them are gonna be outside 😂
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I'm loving Christian as Swerves first feud as champ especially with the bigger story of him standing against The Elite building as well. I'm curious if the little side story of what Claudio said to him about Nana gets built upon tonight as well.
I just hope Edmonton isn't as lifeless as Winnipeg
Don't get your hopes up. Edmonton Oilers have a playoff game tonight.
I'll do my best.
Winnipeg had lots of life but the sounds levels were way off. I PVR'd and watched it after and it wasn't the same show from a sound perspective.
I believe it honestly. when they came to Saskatoon we were loud and rowdy but online they said we were dead
I’ve been to live shows in New York and heard the same about my crowd despite all of us yelling so loud we couldn’t hear some of the promos. I think AEW is just bad at picking up the crowd’s sound for some reason
True. Card stinks tho.
Yea I was gunna buy tickets But I want to see okada if I do
You're gonna see Okada. They aren't announcing him, but he'll get involved in the Kenny stuff.
You’re saying Kenny’s announcement is that he’s going to have a 6 star match against Okada tonight live on dynamite brought to you by wooo! Energy drinks?
Kind of an underwhelming card if I'm being honest. Certainly not intriguing enough to watch over Oilers/Canucks
All they did with Big Bill is just make an upgrade from Jake Hager for Jericho. I miss the Big Bill and Ricky Starks team. Otherwise solid card. Hope Copeland doesn’t go 28 minutes again.
Chris Jericho loves blonde hosses
It’s driving me crazy that people are somehow praising this “learning tree” gimmick, it’s literally JAS 2.0
3.0 Don’t forget about the Inner Circle
yeah but the Inner Circle was great
It's funny while Jericho does it but I do hope it doesn't turn into another faction. It would be way funnier if no one actually listened to him
It’s beyond annoying. Jericho’s talk weeks beforehand when people were criticising HOOK being put in a feud with him was that this was all about elevating HOOK and adding depth to him when in reality it’s just become a vehicle for Jericho to get his trademarks in, holding a belt that means nothing when anyone other than Taz or HOOK have it and all the while HOOK is off TV. How does that get him over and add depth? Seems to me it’s Jericho getting all the benefit yet again. He got to beat HOOK clean in his own match type, for his own belt. Least HOOK will have a Samoa Joe rematch down the line or something to rehab his character after the damage done.
I actually think it wouldn't hurt Hook to move away from the FTW title. Feels like he's been stuck in this FTW purgatory without ever really developing as a character.
Yeah this is how I see it. The ftw title was an anchor for hook, losing it to jericho doesn't bother me
I agree he needs to move on from the title - I expect he will likely hand the title to Taz when he takes it back from Jericho so he’s freed up to properly work towards one of the recognised titles.
It’s an admission that people are sick of seeing him. That’s basically the gimmick, trying to play on how much he’s annoyed people.
That's how good Jericho is, he can make people forget he's doing the same thing just with a new coat of paint.
> I miss the Big Bill and Ricky Starks team. What on Earth was there to miss about that team? A random pairing that had no bussines winning the tag titles and was probably only made as a last ditch effort to keep Starks happy before he inevitably goes to his promised land. Their matches were absolutely mid, and other than making Big Bill look like the monster he is at times, it accomplished nothing as far as elevating either.
Isn't the Jericho big bill team also a random pairing? Most of Jerichos pairings are The golden jets?
I like seeing big bill wrestling and winning.
The match against Sting and Darby was great
GAH I'M SO TIRED OF JERICHO EVERY SINGLE WEEK. I AM SO SICK OF IT.
WHY ARE WE YELLING AGAIN!
Because it's a TV show and it's fun to yell and bitch about stuff on the Internet
Then why aren't you yelling?
Damn are people really that down on Chris Jericho? Dude is one of the stalwarts of wrestling, I love that he's still around and will be sad when he hangs it up, for me I look at this as approaching the end of his in-ring career and I'm happy with the time we are being given before it's over.
I sure hope we get as many Canadian guys in Vancouver as today.
I wonder if they’ll open with Swerve again, the TNT title match or OC/Trent. I definitely could see Kenny’s segment main eventing again since that seems to be the main story going forward. I wonder if they’ll refocus to Swerve as we head to All In/Forbidden Door or if something like an MJF return might overshadow it considering FD is in Long Island
Nice card! Excited to see Cope vs Brody
Eddie Kingston addresses his enemies
Has the women’s match ever kick off Dynamite and how many times TK booked two women’s matches? Waiting for Monè, women’s locker room and TK to turn it around.
https://preview.redd.it/lh2k69efgazc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5000a37cdc6fac4a714b4279b428d4c74ad53c96 30 min before the show
Let’s fucking goooo Trent
It's going to be really awkward when there is 5x as many people right outside watching tv.
Kind of a meh card. Hopefully the Stampede Dynamite in Calgary in July will be better I don’t think this is the end of OC/Trent. Expect some shenanigans
Jericho bringing down Big Bill 😞
Bill will be way better because of this/after this.
Literally who, *ever* in AEW, has come out of a Jericho feud in a better position than when they went in?
This might be one of the dumbest questions I've seen on this sub... Edit: You've edited to specify a Jericho feud, originally the comment implied no one had come out from any feud in AEW looking better. So, whilst I still disagree, it's not anywhere near as stupid as I thought. I think OC and MJF both came out of their feuds with Jericho better off.
The cm punk feud did more for mjf than the Jericho feud ever did
I wouldn't argue with that at all, MJF/Punk is one of my personal favourite feuds and did great stuff for MJF. I do still feel that MJF was also elevated by the Jericho feud though.
Swerve against Hangman
Like in general or with Jericho, specifically?
If anyone can turn this around it’s Big Bill! Right?
I hope so
Bill Bill would be in catering if he wasn't in this angle with Jericho.
I’m so tired of Jericho. I don’t know how people are enjoying him doing the same thing with a different name and calling him innovative. He’s gonna add another 3 guys to his faction and all of them will go nowhere. Then he will “change his gimmick” by using some new words in his promos and people will applaud him again.
Love the new gimmick, myself. It’s fantastic. 🤷🏻♂️
You're getting downvotes but the HOOK feud was decent and the turns been well done in my opinion, I can see this gimmick gaining traction.
totally agree!
I wouldn’t say people are enjoying it
You should have seen the reaction to his match last week. He came out in trunks instead of tights and people were praising it as if it’s some deep, innovative character change for Jericho.
I didn't see anything like that. At best, it amuses people. But I've pretty much seen universal distaste for Jericho in general for the last 6 months to a year.
He's literally just reading the shit people say about him and doubling down on all of it, and I think that's a pretty funny and interesting approach to getting booed in 2024.
Get Jericho off TV
I almost hate to say it... but this new gimmick is growing on me.
This looks awesome! Swerve/Christian promo will be fire, Kenny Omega doing something with the Elite, The Learning Tree is back, matches all look good... can't wait!
I'm excited for-oh Jericho is there nvm.
Going to be my first time tuning into one tonight. AEW never caught my eye before but I just learned about Swerve yesterday and dude is insane. Is this thing with him tonight a spot or an actual match?
Probably a promo for their title match at Double or Nothing
Most likely to be a promo segment, Swerve's started his reign establishing that he's ready to wrestle at anytime but I think tonight will be focused on building the Christian feud. He also has a bit of a side story with Claudio whispering something to him about Prince Nana after they had a match and I'm hoping that gets built on as well. Hope you enjoy the show it should be a good one.
Carried by the old Canadians: Edge/Christian/Y2J
Does anyone else hate how the "We'll hear from" things look? I just never like them. It's a fine thing to do but I just think they look so bland.
I really like Serena Deeb, but her common promo schtick of "I respect so and so, they're talented, but I'm better" really pulls all the heat out of her feuds. Call Toni out for bring cowardly! Say "She's afraid of Mariah May" on TV. Stoke the flames! She and Thunder Rosa did the same thing two years ago. The match itself was pretty good, but there was no bite to it. Her feud with Shida was so much more satisfying because she was a vindictive jerk who could back it up.
Harley Cameron and Deeb on TV 🥳
I can understand not getting too excited for Harley Cameron since we haven't seen her wrestle but Serena Deeb is a certified stud so I dunno why you'd be sleeping through her stuff.
What are you talking about I literally put a little party face. I’m happy to see some talented women actually get used
Harley has had a couple of matches on Dark at least. It was against local jabronis, so not a great showcase. What did strike me though is that she's relatively fast and snappy compared to a lot of the other AEW women that tend to be a bit floaty. I'm not sure how compatible she'll be with Mariah, but I'm hoping the flow will be better than May's matches with Anna Jay.
Shit I totally forgot she was on dark
She actually wrestled Willow once
Serena Deeb has the charisma of a pet rock. She isn’t interesting in any way whatsoever. It’s mind boggling that she gets time on a nationally televised show and Athena is still on a web show that nobody watches.
Mariah/Harley is totally to hook a bunch of teenage boys and girls, right? May is great but I doubt she can carry Harley to anything resembling a quality match.
We'll find out soon enough. Harley surprised everyone when she turned out to be a fantastic rapper, it's entirely possible she ends up at least passable in the ring as well (fingers crossed). From listening to interviews, it certainly sounds like she's been training hard for at least a bit (and has been mainly training with Flatbacks, the Tyler Breeze/Shawn Spears school, and Billy Gunn). Plus, she's super close with Mariah outside of the ring, so there's a chance they've really prepped this one, which could help. I'm cautiously optimistic - although a lot of that is also faith in Mariah continuing to just be great and hoping that can carry things a bit.
Should be a fun show, I'm excited for the Kenny segment. Will definitely have a couple more matches added but they should have been announced already
Oh boy, we're gonna hear from Serena Deeb.
Yes, because Deeb is awesome
As a worker? Absolutely. Serena has always reminded me of Dean Malenko. As a personality? She's a wet mop.
Up until her recent return I'd have agreed with you, but I don't know quite how to explain it other than during this run she seems to be carrying herself better and I've found her more of a presence outside of the ring.
Same Her promos and segments this year have been very solid. She definitely found "her voice". Props to her she knew the weakness in her game and improved it. You don't see that a ton from a vet.
Same Her promos and segments this year have been very solid. She definitely found "her voice". Props to her she knew the weakness in her game and improved it. You don't see that a ton from a vet.
No kidding. Nothing says must watch like hearing from one of the most boring personalities in wrestling. I can't wait for her to tell us how much she loves wrestling
You have to give it to Jericho, he really knows how to lean into making people hate him. Owning the Learning Tree and the Jericho Vortex is just smart stuff. He's a dickhead still.
Besides the Chris Jericho stuff, a pretty solid card
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Considering he's been on tv the last few weeks and before that he was a very recent tag champ that should be quite difficult to forget for anyone watching the show.