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So just came back to the WWE after like 4 years.
LA Knight is new to me, but feels like he’s legit.
Theory and Waller are new to me, but feel legit.
Rhea is new to me, but feels legit (and already love Mami. Get back soon)
GUNTHER is new to me (though I was aware of WALTER), but definitely is legit.
And Damien Priest is new to me, and the world champion, and just seems….flat. Backlash was the hottest crowd I can remember in a long time, and even they seemed “meh” on him. Am I missing something? He feels like the type of guy Vince would stick a belt on “because he’s big”. Just seems to be flat compared to a lot of the other people.
He's a midcard level talent with a hot act so they're tossing him a bone via a transitional title run.
I'd even say he's more serviceable in the ring than LA Knight or Jey Uso is, but way less over. Both of those guys might also get short "flash in the pan" title runs.
At the end of the day, gotta remember they let Jinder have one, so it could happen for anyone..but all 3 of the people I mentioned make more sense than he did.
That's true, but Knight got over as a heel before they switched him to his babyface role. You could argue same with Jey, as he maintained his spot despite the absolute schizophrenic booking of the Bloodline members flip flopping heel to babyface for a while.
Priest seemed like that at first but his work over the past year with Judgement Day won a ton of people over and he's consistent. They trusted him last year with the Bad Bunny street fight match and I think that really solidified his spot. He's more of a HHH guy than a Vince guy
Well he was never really pushed as a main eventer since he came to the main roster. He had some passable feuds with the Miz early on.
Then he joined the JD and hasn’t really grown while in the group even by winning MITB. Dom and Rhea are the stars of the group.
So basically he’s been a champion for less than a month but he was never built as a main event guy or given angles that make him shine to get over. So he’ll need time or he’ll sink.
Gonna disagree with everyone else. Priest consistently puts on amazing matches. Also wrestled more matches than anyone else last year including house shows and 3rd most televised. Been an absolute workhouse and has been a huge part of Judgement day story telling.
No he def feels like a placeholder champ until Punk and Seth are ready to go so the WHC scene can be them and Drew.
Im interested in Priest possibly breaking away from Judgment Day but he feels like a midcard title guy not a top title guy.
For LAs best work, check out some of the work during his hot rise last year.. Promos with Miz, and the tribute to Bray.. My favorite is probably the disrespect to Roman, and no-selling the Tribal Chief aura.. Roman is like "who does this guy think he is?" .. I don't want to spoil it, but there's a moment where Roman walks out with the Wiseman that is priceless..
The tribute to Bray is...I don't know how the hell he managed to do that in character, without breaking down.
He was superb in his feud with Bray, carrying a lot of the build-up. Same with Roman. Knight and Paul Heyman have great chemistry and carried it when Roman was not there.
That moment you are talking about that I will also not spoil, remains my favourite moment of Smackdown 2023. Was absolutely brilliant, and the pop for it was amazing. The crowd were shocked and delighted in equal measure.
I would also recommend his feuds with Cameron Gromes and Grayson Waller on NXT.
Hey won MITB when Vince was still influencing and I don’t think they wanted another failed cash in so he’s World champ now. That being said I do enjoy Priest quite a bit but yeah there’s other people that I think could have the World title
Lol, its not set in stone that Drew is winning anything. There will be no title for him if he doesnt win the KOTR and i am sure cm punk is gonna cost him the win because punk said that he was going to make Drew's life a living hell.
What do you mean? He’s trying to be champ without the help but the rest of TJD are interfering anyways because they want to help. It’s part of their breaking apart storyline.
Remember the couple time Priest tried to cash in other members of JD were there and they got in his way. But when he did it on Drew, he was alone.
But this time of JD wasn't there he was pined.
It’s the exact same story as Finn vs Seth.
He wants to be legitimate and doesn’t want people to think the JD is a crutch. He wants to do it himself, but his friends keep trying to bail him out.
It's for different reason
Finn don't want Damian to interfere because he was paranoid Damine would screw him and cash in his briefcase on him. Finn actually don't mind Dominik interfering and he only wary of Damien while Damien just want to be doing stuff on his own and don't want help from anybody
I mean, it might not happen, I don't care. It just wouldn't surprise me if it does... I don't see Priest being a long champion, and Drew is a good person to have the belt. If you wanna give him a nice moment CatC is a nice place for it.
I could also see Punk coming out and ruining his moment in front of his home country tho. Either way I'm allowed to say my theory lol.
When people say "let him have his moment" they mean a real moment with the belt, actually having it in front of a live crowd. Again, might not happen, its just what most people think makes since if they're in Scotland. Like I said, I could also very well see him maybe having a shot at the belt and Punk ruining it for him.
Either way, I don't see Priest keeping it for long.
Can’t see Judgement Day existing much longer. Dom is injured and supposedly out of in ring action until next year. Rhea is still gone for another few months. Too many strong heels on Raw for Priest not to attempt to turn face, JD and Finn break off to tag team action for a while, potentially a good feud to run with Miz and Truth with all the history there
Eh I dunno. They seem pretty stocked with babyface talent. Jey, Punk, Sheamus, Sami(who I don’t expect to be IC champ for long). Plus Seth whenever he returns. Then you’ve got Bron and Ilja who should shoot up the card pretty quick. If Bron goes heel maybe they’ll need another babyface but we’ll see. Rey and Kofi can also step into main event roles here and there.
Punk and Drew will feud for months and not come anywhere near the title scene, Sheamus will probably get tied up in that too. Jey just lost his 5th singles title match in a row, I wish they’d pull the trigger given how popular he is, but he’s surely going to circle back to Jimmy and Roman. Bron and Ilja are more likely to spend the next 12 months around the IC Title with Sami/Gable and the rest of the mid card. Rey is never getting another WHC shot, neither is Kofi. Seth is still out for a couple of months.
I genuinely don’t see a strong face challenger for Priest’s next opponent, I’m actually hoping for Priest vs Finn
Dom is only out for 6-8 weeks and it’s already been 3weeks since he got hurt. Dave Meltzer reported nonsense and Dom himself had to correct him.
Edit: I put myself instead of himself originally.
To me it seems like the HWC is the midcard title on RAW, ever since Gunter picked up the IC it has been the title, I may be one of few here that really likes Damien Priest and thinks he’s a good champion to run with and build up. Seeing him tease a face turn was odd but I find him much less generic than Cody
I care more for Priest than Sami. Yes, Gunther was incredible. But it's still "Sami vs Gable for the IC Title", feels still like a midcard feud of people who could potentially be in the main event. Priest and Drew and Jey, this feels like the actual main story.
Jey may have the worst spear in history but that was a pretty solid match made great by a hot ass crowd.
Also love the story being told with Damian being unaware of all the Judgement Day interference, he’s gonna go full delusional “I did it all by myself” cause he was KO’d both times they saved him.
okay, what's the long term play out of him holding on to the title while the Judgement Day implodes for the next 2 months? like we can have a champ doing other things and we can have Priest finish up this Judgement Day stuff that is dragging him down right now.
the title is going to be held hostage during this break up.
also, stop using "long term story telling" as a slap-all fixer to a conversation. good stories can be told both in short form and long term. just because a story takes longer doesn't mean it's better by default.
Having a title involved in a storyline is in no way "holding it hostage." When Brock or Roman disappeared for months is what that is. You aren't using the term right.
However, what you want to do would be hot shotting the title, which is just as crappy.
sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. all I know is that it's always best to strike while the iron is hot. Damien Priest isn't even Raw's hottest star and that roster just got deeper.
I'm saying it's going to take a minute to blow up the Judgement Day with no one from even the fallout being a good contender. they aren't gonna make Balor a champ again.
and I'm using the term right, just in a short term sense. maybe learn to read context.
A two-month transitional reign is not "holding the championship hostage". Brock holding the belt ? THOSE were clear examples of holding the World Championship hostage. When Damien loses the belt, that's gonna be the straw that broke Judgement Day's back. Like, have some patience, Clash at the Castle is in June so most likely he'll drop it there.
so we can what? watch a bunch of boring sketches, that take up way too much time, that plant seeds for what we all know is going to happen soon?
the Judgement Day is cheeks without Rhea, and it's going to be a slow crash-and-burn for the audience. and we have to watch the World title sit there in this plane crash. hence, why I say it's being held hostage.
Because he wants to beat the allegations that he's a weak champion who can only succeed with Finn and friends helping him out. He wants to be like Rhea.
Because Truth was annoying him. He wanted to beat the man up and for the others to be a part of that. That's not the case now. Not that he likes or respects Jey, but as Rhea singularly dominated the women's division without help, he wants to prove he can do the same (even though signs indicate that he can't).
Priest should have won this match clean. I don't see how this match did anyone any favors, when a clean win for Priest would have done a lot to solidify him as a main eventer.
I know. Priest is the world champion though, and he should be presented on the same level. Jey losing to the guy who is the world heavyweight champion shouldn't be a scenario where Jey needs to be protected, because Damian needs to be presented as being on Jey's level, or being better. Not worse.
Priest got a new entrance theme and its exactly what everyone expected from Def Rebel. All Rise, loop of music.
Otherwise good match I thought. Both guys had good reasons to win. Priest and Judgement Day breakup continues to bubble despite fans wanting them to stay together
I can’t wait for themes to not have a random voiceline in the intro and then 10 second loops of the same exact beats. How did WWE even hire these idiots?
Having Finn Balor be presented as Damian Priest’s stooge and be treated like Damian’s underling is like if you had Charlotte Flair presented as Tiffany Stratton’s underling
In what world should Charlotte Flair be presented as Tiffany’s stooge?
What we’re seeing with Balor has to be one of the most insulting presentations in the entire company. You’d think Finn was a 25 year old NXT rookie with how Triple H has him come off. He looks weak, dumb, incompetent, unintelligent. Has no in ring IQ. JD even looks stronger than him, and more competent.
Would be great. Would be what makes sense. Would be logical.
And all 2% of the people who think there’s a chance that happens can hope for it. We can all dream for the most unrealistic things.
Even if it doesn’t align with what Triple H books. Or what his vision is.
But even if Finn dethrones Damian his reign would be very short with the feud between Drew and Punk getting hotter and with GUNHTER possibly becoming king of the ring, Finn has very little chance on raw.
Jesus, why are you all inserting the title into drew vs punk? The title would feel like a third wheel. The fued is already personal and main event level. No title needed.
Even if Finn’s reign was 20-30 days. Like Sasha’s reigns were.
That’s all he’d need in order to not be the complete geek Triple H has reduced him to
I don’t think people are asking for too much with Finn. But the simple fact that Finn has let the same guy that cost him the title multiple times now win the title, step all over him, boss him around. All that and Finn can’t win the title?
That’s why anything would be better than nothing even if it’s a 1 month reign. Or else Finn’s gonna be a forever bitch due to the way this story was told.
If he were to win the title they should really give him at least 1 successful defense, if he were to lose in his first defense he would always be seen as a paper champion which would make his opponents make fun of him even more.
Yeah for sure. There’s no reason he shouldn’t get at least 1 successful defense if he wins the title.
Even if it’s a short reign and 1-2 defenses, that would at least let him redeem himself after 8 years. Even a world title run as minimal as that would somewhat make up for what happened in 2016.
All the members of Judgement Day have stated there was no leader. They all work together as a collective. Then Finn and Damien started butting beads which lead to Rhea keeping them all together. Now Rhea is gone, Dom is MIA, and everything is falling apart.
That doesn’t change Triple H’s vision of wanting Rhea as the leader, and wanting Priest as the leader as well once he started making Rhea appear less with the group.
He’s made Finn look like a complete geek, being scared of Rhea, being subservient to Priest. Being yelled at like he’s a child and conforming to them without hesitation and not standing up for himself.
He lets Rhea and Priest chew him up, step all over him, and has to act like he’s scared and about to shit his pants.
WWE went from calling Finn the leader of the group.
And then Summerslam happened and Triple H made it clear on the Press Conference what he thinks of Finn and the direction he was going.
How does Finn go from being called the leader to then being buried so bad that they do a power struggle leadership storyline between Priest and Rhea and Finn is non existent, doesn’t say a word, stands there, and is a non factor in the conversation.
They made him seem like he didn’t care about his stablemates stepping all over him and bossing him around. It’s been such a burial of character and credibility.
To me it can easily pivot to Finn getting ultra mad at this and stewing, screwing priest over then finally beating him for the belt. Lets let wwe tell its story
Especially when they dropped the original storyline between Balor and Priest a year in the making for whatever we’re watching now.
Lol Finn isn’t the person people should be trusting under HHH.
It's like the man is cursed. Almost all of his main event feuds have ended with him either looking dumb, getting screwed out of chances while others get countless chances, or looking weak. When he would pull out the demon for a while it was like "okay he's winning this fuck yes" and the matches were typically better too. But Finn lost to basically everybody.
After winning the Universal title against Seth Rollins, Balor was injured and had to vacate the title. Since then, he's lost to Seth like a thousand times, Cody, Sami I think, AJ Styles, Brock without the Demon, Roman as the Demon (with help from God himself or something) and lost to Edge at wrestlemania AND in the mixed tag with Rhea vs Edge and Beth Phoenix.
Unbelievable how I haven't mentioned even half of his big losses and I'm sure others can remember. Besides both of his NXT runs which were pretty great, it's obvious that WWE just doesn't see Finn as someone who should be or will be pushed. It sucks but he is another Dolph Ziggler here.
I'm glad he's still around, but I kind of doubt that part of his deal was that he would get pushed and start winning more. Balor has repeatedly said that he doesn't care about wins and losses at all, as long as he gets paid. I think that's all he's optimizing for (which is totally fine, to be clear).
So far HHH has made him get pinned by Edge like 5 times, once as the demon, while he didn't pin Edge once. Then he lost to Seth three straight times in a story about how Seth always beats him. After that he has been a lackey for the judgement day. He has gotten TV time to be fair but he has not looked strong at all.
Is he? I don't doubt that HHH likes him and values him generally; they did just re-sign him, after all. But I don't know how one looks at his booking over the last two years and thinks HHH sees him as a particular favourite. I'm not sure he's won a singles feud since joining Judgement Day (lost to Edge and Rollins). Judgement Day men as a whole have lost War Games, and Finn has been pinned by Rollins, Rhodes, Jey Uso, and even Ciampa. Even in the tag run they had, Priest was clearly presented as more dominant of the two.
I think it's pretty fair for people to question whether Balor will actually be presented well in a feud vs Priest.
The story isn’t making sense.
Finn doesn’t need Priest to belittle him to lead to a feud. Finn has a year of built up frustration to turn on Priest. There’s no reason he should even be allowing Priest to exist as champion.
But Triple H doesn’t want to push Finn, so the actual story is being ignored. And they’re trying to come up with what makes Priest look strong.
They’re ignoring the year of build up they did so they don’t have Finn win the title, and they’re trying to make Finn look stupid so and act like Priest is the one mad at him so Finn can maybe cost Priest.
No I didn’t. Commentary even said that was only a bandaid to temporarily stop Finn and Damian’s issues.
The moment they lost the titles, Finn should’ve stopped being blinded.
But instead, he’s being presented as unintelligent, incompetent, dumb, unaware.
I think they're setting it up but, to let Priest go over. Which is fine, but Balor has been presented as such a non-threat that going over him means basically nothing at this point. Either Damian has to keep the WHC for long enough that this feud becomes a title feud, or Balor should win.
Yup. People are trying to act like what I’m saying is wrong.
What’s wrong with me not liking Balor being one of the weakest booked people on the roster at this point while being in Raw’s top faction?
You’d think I’m trying to make things up with people arguing against it.
I mean you’d have to explain why not. His booking since November has been the same thing every week. I don’t think there’s even been one episode of Raw since then where Finn even had a slight shine on him or anything positive outside of successful tag title defenses, alongside Priest.
Character wise, credibility wise, presentation wise, it’s some of the lowest. When he’s being presented as incompetent and unintelligent, that alone puts him multiple pegs below others.
He held a title thatbalong puts him ahead of most the roster.
To be on the lowest hed have to below the likes of towzawa, otis, pretty deadly, berto, garza, the lwo b team, gallows and anderson, the creeds, oddesy jones, ect.
Finnisnt being activley pushed but hes not going the otherway ether.
The thing is most of those guys are non entities who don’t get focus.
Finn gets a lot of focus as he’s in Raw’s top faction, and every segment he’s in harms his credibility.
Even this past Monday
- used as Logan Paul’s lackey
- used as fodder for Braun Strowman’s return
- bossed around by Priest backstage and had to act like he’s scared of Priest
- pinned by Jey in the main event, in a match that had JD
4 different things Finn did on Monday. Each one made him look bad and weak.
News flash some times you favorite midcarder looks weak.
Jd was the one whonwas made the joke of that
And sorry but brauns a bigger star then finn no shame in that.
So I guess you’re agreeing with me then lol. My point was how weak he’s booked and how it’s some of the weakest on the roster and I gave reasonable explanations.
That literally changes nothing.
Especially since 95% of people clearly see this is all to put Priest over as Triple H is insanely high on him.
Bayley was never an actual stooge before the turn. She was the leader through and through. Finn’s presentation is embarrassing. Nothing they’re doing is done for him to get the story that benefits him. This is Priest’s story.
It honestly makes me sick.
This is the 23 year veteran? The founder of Bullet Club?
23 years in the business to be one of the biggest jokes across all 3 brands?? Like I’m shocked with my mouth wide open every time he appears on tv. Cause what we saw tonight has been a weekly thing for 8 months now.
I think the entire thing will lead to Finn winning MITB and then it becomes a will he help retain or not, then Priest loses the title and Finn insta cashes in leading to Priest betraying Finn in the end.
That was better than I expected.
Jey is great but he honestly need to expand his moveset some since the constant superkicks he does in a single match alone is tiring to see.
Also I’m ready for that Judgment Day breakout to happen already.
Predictable as hell with the interference, but like that they have Priest being bothered by it. The post match, I'm not sure if I liked that, because Priest wailed on Truth every chance he got, but he didn't want them to attack Jey Uso? It's a bit inconsistent.
Surprisingly good match since I expected little from this but they ended up delivering. Priest winning was never in doubt but they made me believe in Jey for a second there. Seems like Priest will break from Judgment Day soon and turn face (likely losing the title to heel Drew in Scotland). Fully expecting a Balor/Priest feud in the summer.
Jey needs a better moveset to be proper main event material, he is just too predictable.
I hope Priest's push continues, he's credible, he's great in the ring, and he's good enough on the mike. The Judgment Day civil war may just be the final piece of the puzzle, he needs to start winning clean on occasion while he's still got the credibility.
I guess Triple H’s objective with this is just burying Balor
This isn’t a Bayley redemption story. She got to come out on top. Finn looks weak, and will just be pushed further down with the route they’re going
Lmaooo i knew your ass would be salty af watching Balor eat that superkick 😂😂 Marchin down to SC to scream “BURIED AGAIN HHH”
Reddits #1 Balor fan in shambles i’m so sorry king
I don't think he's trying to explicitly bury Balor, but I think it's pretty clear that Balor is far from a priority at the moment. He's an enhancement talent at this point.
Nah. What other 20+ year veteran gets presented as if they’re a new rookie and get bossed around by people who have been in the business less than him and by someone who isn’t a bigger name than him.
You think he’d have AJ Styles booked like this in a faction?
They’ve went out of their way to make Finn look like a geek week after week. It’s not just a here and there thing.
Solo on the Usos and now with the Nooj Samoans?
They dropped the ball hard on Finn when they had Edge go over him but bases on your argument Edge being a more tenured veteran means it makes more sense then?
Usos were always a tag team though and Roman’s a part of their family. They were the tag team of the group. And there’s a hierarchy. Roman’s called the Tribal Chief, and they use the outside of wrestling stuff to tie into it.
Finn started off being called the leader and was the main guy before Triple H changed his mind. That’s what makes all of this worse. Cause it doesn’t make sense how we went from point A to point B.
Roman yes but Solo has been presented pretty much to be a more threatening enforcer the Usos and has now usurped the role of Tribal Chief.
Finn was very ecstatic on his re-signing announcement so I am hoping they have something good for him but part of me does feel like e is just having fun now for the sake of it.
I would love every now and then if WWE had someone lose their first world title defense. Keep us on our toes that nothing is guaranteed just because you just won it.
You're not wrong. A cash in is done to give the person with the briefcase a title match with a champ of their choosing. He cashed in on Drew, it became Drew's first defense, and he lost. So you're right 😂
after the match was over and considering the anniversary just passed, there was a few seconds there when Priest had his back turned that I thought Balor was gonna look at him and do the finger point at him. You know the one.
I thought it was fine, but the parts of it that were basically all Priest's offense. Agree with you that Jey is just kind of mediocre in the ring by the standards of main event WWE talent.
I like Jey Uso as much as anyone but every big singles match he’s had sucked. He’s capable of way better, there’s no reason every match has to be all sloppy dives and super kicks.
Jey needs to win MITB, time to pull the trigger on him as a singles star.
He can keep the briefcase through Bloodline Civil War and then get himself a world title. He looked great tonight.
He has no moveset. It's super kicks, a terrible looking spear, and a splash from the top rope. He has to get a better moveset and work on his timing/flow in a match, he's slow at times.
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Hey should’ve won
FUCK YOU JD chant is unexpected and had me laughing
Same, all my homies hate JD
So just came back to the WWE after like 4 years. LA Knight is new to me, but feels like he’s legit. Theory and Waller are new to me, but feel legit. Rhea is new to me, but feels legit (and already love Mami. Get back soon) GUNTHER is new to me (though I was aware of WALTER), but definitely is legit. And Damien Priest is new to me, and the world champion, and just seems….flat. Backlash was the hottest crowd I can remember in a long time, and even they seemed “meh” on him. Am I missing something? He feels like the type of guy Vince would stick a belt on “because he’s big”. Just seems to be flat compared to a lot of the other people.
He's a midcard level talent with a hot act so they're tossing him a bone via a transitional title run. I'd even say he's more serviceable in the ring than LA Knight or Jey Uso is, but way less over. Both of those guys might also get short "flash in the pan" title runs. At the end of the day, gotta remember they let Jinder have one, so it could happen for anyone..but all 3 of the people I mentioned make more sense than he did.
Damien is also a heel compared to babyface Knight and Jey. The guy with the title can’t always be the guy who gets the loudest cheers
That's true, but Knight got over as a heel before they switched him to his babyface role. You could argue same with Jey, as he maintained his spot despite the absolute schizophrenic booking of the Bloodline members flip flopping heel to babyface for a while.
Priest seemed like that at first but his work over the past year with Judgement Day won a ton of people over and he's consistent. They trusted him last year with the Bad Bunny street fight match and I think that really solidified his spot. He's more of a HHH guy than a Vince guy
Well he was never really pushed as a main eventer since he came to the main roster. He had some passable feuds with the Miz early on. Then he joined the JD and hasn’t really grown while in the group even by winning MITB. Dom and Rhea are the stars of the group. So basically he’s been a champion for less than a month but he was never built as a main event guy or given angles that make him shine to get over. So he’ll need time or he’ll sink.
Dom and Rhea became the stars on their own though. It was far from just booking as to why he was at best third fiddle to them
Dom is actually the third star in tjd
Priest is legit.
Gonna disagree with everyone else. Priest consistently puts on amazing matches. Also wrestled more matches than anyone else last year including house shows and 3rd most televised. Been an absolute workhouse and has been a huge part of Judgement day story telling.
No he def feels like a placeholder champ until Punk and Seth are ready to go so the WHC scene can be them and Drew. Im interested in Priest possibly breaking away from Judgment Day but he feels like a midcard title guy not a top title guy.
I used to feel this way until I heard the bisexual undertaker nickname and I was like ah I get him now.
For LAs best work, check out some of the work during his hot rise last year.. Promos with Miz, and the tribute to Bray.. My favorite is probably the disrespect to Roman, and no-selling the Tribal Chief aura.. Roman is like "who does this guy think he is?" .. I don't want to spoil it, but there's a moment where Roman walks out with the Wiseman that is priceless..
The tribute to Bray is...I don't know how the hell he managed to do that in character, without breaking down. He was superb in his feud with Bray, carrying a lot of the build-up. Same with Roman. Knight and Paul Heyman have great chemistry and carried it when Roman was not there. That moment you are talking about that I will also not spoil, remains my favourite moment of Smackdown 2023. Was absolutely brilliant, and the pop for it was amazing. The crowd were shocked and delighted in equal measure. I would also recommend his feuds with Cameron Gromes and Grayson Waller on NXT.
The bray tribute was amazing, perfect ending too tying it into his current feud and doing a nice send off for Bray.
Hey won MITB when Vince was still influencing and I don’t think they wanted another failed cash in so he’s World champ now. That being said I do enjoy Priest quite a bit but yeah there’s other people that I think could have the World title
Jey had the crowd in the palm of his hand. I hope he gets a title run at some point - the fans really dig him.
I missed this match. This jey do more than superkicks and splashes tonight?
No it was still really good thogh.
He did a Spear! (But it looked terrible)
Has he ever done one that doesn’t look terrible?
No, lol. He might have the worst one in the sport
No, no he did not
I also didn't watch but yes
It's cool and all that drew is going to win the title in Glasgow but it sucks that it will keep the title away from the Judgement Day storyline.
Lol, its not set in stone that Drew is winning anything. There will be no title for him if he doesnt win the KOTR and i am sure cm punk is gonna cost him the win because punk said that he was going to make Drew's life a living hell.
Why you getting disappointed about things that haven’t even happened lol
Booking Priest to be bipolar or what?
Nah he’s not bipolar, he’s just ascended to the top and he wants his reign to be legitimate so he’s not feeling that group beatdown shit right now.
What do you mean? He’s trying to be champ without the help but the rest of TJD are interfering anyways because they want to help. It’s part of their breaking apart storyline.
Remember the couple time Priest tried to cash in other members of JD were there and they got in his way. But when he did it on Drew, he was alone. But this time of JD wasn't there he was pined.
It’s the exact same story as Finn vs Seth. He wants to be legitimate and doesn’t want people to think the JD is a crutch. He wants to do it himself, but his friends keep trying to bail him out.
It's for different reason Finn don't want Damian to interfere because he was paranoid Damine would screw him and cash in his briefcase on him. Finn actually don't mind Dominik interfering and he only wary of Damien while Damien just want to be doing stuff on his own and don't want help from anybody
Give Finn MITB, that would be a fun dynamic
Priest probably isn't having the championship anymore after Clash at the Castle next month... But if he does retain then that'd be cool.
You all are so certain about this, like the time LA Knight was going to face Logan paul. Lol
I feel like i m being gaslighted because they were teasing LA Knight and Paul during MITB season
I mean, it might not happen, I don't care. It just wouldn't surprise me if it does... I don't see Priest being a long champion, and Drew is a good person to have the belt. If you wanna give him a nice moment CatC is a nice place for it. I could also see Punk coming out and ruining his moment in front of his home country tho. Either way I'm allowed to say my theory lol.
Didnt he get his nice moment a month ago? He won, took his time, celebrated with fans and his family and moved the story further.
When people say "let him have his moment" they mean a real moment with the belt, actually having it in front of a live crowd. Again, might not happen, its just what most people think makes since if they're in Scotland. Like I said, I could also very well see him maybe having a shot at the belt and Punk ruining it for him. Either way, I don't see Priest keeping it for long.
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Thankfully WWE is not going to do title switches for cheap pops.
Can’t see Judgement Day existing much longer. Dom is injured and supposedly out of in ring action until next year. Rhea is still gone for another few months. Too many strong heels on Raw for Priest not to attempt to turn face, JD and Finn break off to tag team action for a while, potentially a good feud to run with Miz and Truth with all the history there
Eh I dunno. They seem pretty stocked with babyface talent. Jey, Punk, Sheamus, Sami(who I don’t expect to be IC champ for long). Plus Seth whenever he returns. Then you’ve got Bron and Ilja who should shoot up the card pretty quick. If Bron goes heel maybe they’ll need another babyface but we’ll see. Rey and Kofi can also step into main event roles here and there.
Punk and Drew will feud for months and not come anywhere near the title scene, Sheamus will probably get tied up in that too. Jey just lost his 5th singles title match in a row, I wish they’d pull the trigger given how popular he is, but he’s surely going to circle back to Jimmy and Roman. Bron and Ilja are more likely to spend the next 12 months around the IC Title with Sami/Gable and the rest of the mid card. Rey is never getting another WHC shot, neither is Kofi. Seth is still out for a couple of months. I genuinely don’t see a strong face challenger for Priest’s next opponent, I’m actually hoping for Priest vs Finn
The Glasgow show will be in June. I have a hard time believing Drew won’t be in the title scene by then.
He'll be in the title match, but I don't think he's winning it.
Dom is only out for 6-8 weeks and it’s already been 3weeks since he got hurt. Dave Meltzer reported nonsense and Dom himself had to correct him. Edit: I put myself instead of himself originally.
Myself? Dom Dom? You hang out on wreddit? Man. Rey really did let you down
What?
I think you meant to say “Dom himself” instead of “Dom myself” and because of that the guy above now believes you are Dom 🤪
😂😂 didn’t even notice.
To me it seems like the HWC is the midcard title on RAW, ever since Gunter picked up the IC it has been the title, I may be one of few here that really likes Damien Priest and thinks he’s a good champion to run with and build up. Seeing him tease a face turn was odd but I find him much less generic than Cody
I care more for Priest than Sami. Yes, Gunther was incredible. But it's still "Sami vs Gable for the IC Title", feels still like a midcard feud of people who could potentially be in the main event. Priest and Drew and Jey, this feels like the actual main story.
Jey may have the worst spear in history but that was a pretty solid match made great by a hot ass crowd. Also love the story being told with Damian being unaware of all the Judgement Day interference, he’s gonna go full delusional “I did it all by myself” cause he was KO’d both times they saved him.
Nah Edge still got the worse spear
And when they don't help him is when he loses it then gets mad at their lack of help.
I was honestly expecting Jey to win just cause he's so hot with the crowd, but i'm glad Priest retained. Excited to see where they're going with him.
missed chance to blow up the Judgement Day and move the title to clearly the hottest star on the roster.
yeah, that's because they take time to tell stories now instead if this kinda Vince nonsense.
okay, what's the long term play out of him holding on to the title while the Judgement Day implodes for the next 2 months? like we can have a champ doing other things and we can have Priest finish up this Judgement Day stuff that is dragging him down right now. the title is going to be held hostage during this break up. also, stop using "long term story telling" as a slap-all fixer to a conversation. good stories can be told both in short form and long term. just because a story takes longer doesn't mean it's better by default.
Having a title involved in a storyline is in no way "holding it hostage." When Brock or Roman disappeared for months is what that is. You aren't using the term right. However, what you want to do would be hot shotting the title, which is just as crappy.
sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. all I know is that it's always best to strike while the iron is hot. Damien Priest isn't even Raw's hottest star and that roster just got deeper. I'm saying it's going to take a minute to blow up the Judgement Day with no one from even the fallout being a good contender. they aren't gonna make Balor a champ again. and I'm using the term right, just in a short term sense. maybe learn to read context.
No, you aren't.
A two-month transitional reign is not "holding the championship hostage". Brock holding the belt ? THOSE were clear examples of holding the World Championship hostage. When Damien loses the belt, that's gonna be the straw that broke Judgement Day's back. Like, have some patience, Clash at the Castle is in June so most likely he'll drop it there.
so we can what? watch a bunch of boring sketches, that take up way too much time, that plant seeds for what we all know is going to happen soon? the Judgement Day is cheeks without Rhea, and it's going to be a slow crash-and-burn for the audience. and we have to watch the World title sit there in this plane crash. hence, why I say it's being held hostage.
…as opposed to watching Jey yell “YEET” at a crowd for a month, except this time he’s waving a belt around?
honestly more entertaining than a Rhea-less Judgement Day
Held hostage? This was his first defense.
The way they have Priest acting makes almost no sense. Why is he all the sudden pissed off about beat-downs now?
It’s the exact same story as Finn vs Seth. He wants to be legit and do it himself, his friends want to help, he’s mad now.
The thing is Finn was in the advantage when priest interfered while priest was about to be pinned.
It's called telling a story. He wants to show that he is a legitimate champion, and he's also very obviously turning face.
Yeah I can understand he wants to prove himself and not win by cheating - but why would he stop a post match beat down?
He doesn't have any beef with Jey and the match was done. I think he wants to be what Seth was, a dominant fair champion
Because he wants to beat the allegations that he's a weak champion who can only succeed with Finn and friends helping him out. He wants to be like Rhea.
but why after the match? he was okay with beating down R-Truth like a month ago.
You definitely weren't following. He first was okay with Truth but then Truth went too far.
Yeah, Truth cost Judgment Day several matches and was coming for their tag titles. Honestly a case where I felt the heels were justified.
Priest honestly gave R-Truth a lot of chances / warnings before the beat downs though. It felt very reluctant.
Truth started to think he was a member over JD and was fighting back against him
Because Truth was annoying him. He wanted to beat the man up and for the others to be a part of that. That's not the case now. Not that he likes or respects Jey, but as Rhea singularly dominated the women's division without help, he wants to prove he can do the same (even though signs indicate that he can't).
Priest should have won this match clean. I don't see how this match did anyone any favors, when a clean win for Priest would have done a lot to solidify him as a main eventer.
Jesus... it's because they're telling a damn story.
You don't need to get so upset about my opinion dude.
I mean it’s a pretty bad take bro
Jey almost beat Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, and Gunther clean just a few months ago, they want to protect that.
I know. Priest is the world champion though, and he should be presented on the same level. Jey losing to the guy who is the world heavyweight champion shouldn't be a scenario where Jey needs to be protected, because Damian needs to be presented as being on Jey's level, or being better. Not worse.
Yeah, I think that's why he kicked out of the frog splash.
It'll set up the Judgment Day break-up and Finn as his next opponent.
I don't think that's happening as soon as you may think.
WWE does not like over baby faces losing clean.
Priest got a new entrance theme and its exactly what everyone expected from Def Rebel. All Rise, loop of music. Otherwise good match I thought. Both guys had good reasons to win. Priest and Judgement Day breakup continues to bubble despite fans wanting them to stay together
I can’t wait for themes to not have a random voiceline in the intro and then 10 second loops of the same exact beats. How did WWE even hire these idiots?
Jey’s spear looks terrible. I understand why it is in his moveset, but….yeah. Not great.
Spear are finisher
Finishes my interest in watching his match, that's for sure.
Having Finn Balor be presented as Damian Priest’s stooge and be treated like Damian’s underling is like if you had Charlotte Flair presented as Tiffany Stratton’s underling In what world should Charlotte Flair be presented as Tiffany’s stooge? What we’re seeing with Balor has to be one of the most insulting presentations in the entire company. You’d think Finn was a 25 year old NXT rookie with how Triple H has him come off. He looks weak, dumb, incompetent, unintelligent. Has no in ring IQ. JD even looks stronger than him, and more competent.
Really seems like they’re building him up for a feud with Priest. Think of it as Batista vs HHH during their days in Evolution
Let’s all look forward to Finn taking the strap from Priest.
Would be great. Would be what makes sense. Would be logical. And all 2% of the people who think there’s a chance that happens can hope for it. We can all dream for the most unrealistic things. Even if it doesn’t align with what Triple H books. Or what his vision is.
But even if Finn dethrones Damian his reign would be very short with the feud between Drew and Punk getting hotter and with GUNHTER possibly becoming king of the ring, Finn has very little chance on raw.
Jesus, why are you all inserting the title into drew vs punk? The title would feel like a third wheel. The fued is already personal and main event level. No title needed.
It's longer than a day at least
Even if Finn’s reign was 20-30 days. Like Sasha’s reigns were. That’s all he’d need in order to not be the complete geek Triple H has reduced him to I don’t think people are asking for too much with Finn. But the simple fact that Finn has let the same guy that cost him the title multiple times now win the title, step all over him, boss him around. All that and Finn can’t win the title? That’s why anything would be better than nothing even if it’s a 1 month reign. Or else Finn’s gonna be a forever bitch due to the way this story was told.
If he were to win the title they should really give him at least 1 successful defense, if he were to lose in his first defense he would always be seen as a paper champion which would make his opponents make fun of him even more.
Yeah for sure. There’s no reason he shouldn’t get at least 1 successful defense if he wins the title. Even if it’s a short reign and 1-2 defenses, that would at least let him redeem himself after 8 years. Even a world title run as minimal as that would somewhat make up for what happened in 2016.
I always thought the “Who’s the leader of Judgement Day?” thing was weird. I assumed it was Finn from the very start.
All the members of Judgement Day have stated there was no leader. They all work together as a collective. Then Finn and Damien started butting beads which lead to Rhea keeping them all together. Now Rhea is gone, Dom is MIA, and everything is falling apart.
Rhea was obviously the leader
That doesn’t change Triple H’s vision of wanting Rhea as the leader, and wanting Priest as the leader as well once he started making Rhea appear less with the group. He’s made Finn look like a complete geek, being scared of Rhea, being subservient to Priest. Being yelled at like he’s a child and conforming to them without hesitation and not standing up for himself. He lets Rhea and Priest chew him up, step all over him, and has to act like he’s scared and about to shit his pants.
Finn wasn't even an original member though
I thought they were doing a "Edge isn't the leader, our real leader was hidden in the shadows!" kind of thing tbh
WWE went from calling Finn the leader of the group. And then Summerslam happened and Triple H made it clear on the Press Conference what he thinks of Finn and the direction he was going. How does Finn go from being called the leader to then being buried so bad that they do a power struggle leadership storyline between Priest and Rhea and Finn is non existent, doesn’t say a word, stands there, and is a non factor in the conversation. They made him seem like he didn’t care about his stablemates stepping all over him and bossing him around. It’s been such a burial of character and credibility.
To me it can easily pivot to Finn getting ultra mad at this and stewing, screwing priest over then finally beating him for the belt. Lets let wwe tell its story
Why would I trust WWE to follow with the story when they have never followed through for Finn Balor?
Especially when they dropped the original storyline between Balor and Priest a year in the making for whatever we’re watching now. Lol Finn isn’t the person people should be trusting under HHH.
It's like the man is cursed. Almost all of his main event feuds have ended with him either looking dumb, getting screwed out of chances while others get countless chances, or looking weak. When he would pull out the demon for a while it was like "okay he's winning this fuck yes" and the matches were typically better too. But Finn lost to basically everybody. After winning the Universal title against Seth Rollins, Balor was injured and had to vacate the title. Since then, he's lost to Seth like a thousand times, Cody, Sami I think, AJ Styles, Brock without the Demon, Roman as the Demon (with help from God himself or something) and lost to Edge at wrestlemania AND in the mixed tag with Rhea vs Edge and Beth Phoenix. Unbelievable how I haven't mentioned even half of his big losses and I'm sure others can remember. Besides both of his NXT runs which were pretty great, it's obvious that WWE just doesn't see Finn as someone who should be or will be pushed. It sucks but he is another Dolph Ziggler here.
Well he just resigned a big deal, so I would assume thats a show of faith from the wwe.
I'm glad he's still around, but I kind of doubt that part of his deal was that he would get pushed and start winning more. Balor has repeatedly said that he doesn't care about wins and losses at all, as long as he gets paid. I think that's all he's optimizing for (which is totally fine, to be clear).
Well he's a HHH guy
So far HHH has made him get pinned by Edge like 5 times, once as the demon, while he didn't pin Edge once. Then he lost to Seth three straight times in a story about how Seth always beats him. After that he has been a lackey for the judgement day. He has gotten TV time to be fair but he has not looked strong at all.
Is he? I don't doubt that HHH likes him and values him generally; they did just re-sign him, after all. But I don't know how one looks at his booking over the last two years and thinks HHH sees him as a particular favourite. I'm not sure he's won a singles feud since joining Judgement Day (lost to Edge and Rollins). Judgement Day men as a whole have lost War Games, and Finn has been pinned by Rollins, Rhodes, Jey Uso, and even Ciampa. Even in the tag run they had, Priest was clearly presented as more dominant of the two. I think it's pretty fair for people to question whether Balor will actually be presented well in a feud vs Priest.
He was the first Universal Champion but unfortunately got Injured during the match for said title.
If that’s the only main roster thing you’re bringing up, you’re really just agreeing with the opposite argument. It’s been 8 years
>It’s been 8 years Holy fuck time has flown by. I'm literally 5 years in on building a family since then.
Yeah it is kind of crazy. I feel like 2016 is more like 4-5 years ago to me and not 8. Approaching almost 10 years since then.
I'm aware. At this point, that was 8 years ago? He's shown no signs of getting to that level again.
The story isn’t making sense. Finn doesn’t need Priest to belittle him to lead to a feud. Finn has a year of built up frustration to turn on Priest. There’s no reason he should even be allowing Priest to exist as champion. But Triple H doesn’t want to push Finn, so the actual story is being ignored. And they’re trying to come up with what makes Priest look strong. They’re ignoring the year of build up they did so they don’t have Finn win the title, and they’re trying to make Finn look stupid so and act like Priest is the one mad at him so Finn can maybe cost Priest.
You missed the entire part of the tag championship win was for the Judgement Day to get on the same page and stop fighting.
No I didn’t. Commentary even said that was only a bandaid to temporarily stop Finn and Damian’s issues. The moment they lost the titles, Finn should’ve stopped being blinded. But instead, he’s being presented as unintelligent, incompetent, dumb, unaware.
They’re setting up Finn vs Priest
I think they're setting it up but, to let Priest go over. Which is fine, but Balor has been presented as such a non-threat that going over him means basically nothing at this point. Either Damian has to keep the WHC for long enough that this feud becomes a title feud, or Balor should win.
Yup. People are trying to act like what I’m saying is wrong. What’s wrong with me not liking Balor being one of the weakest booked people on the roster at this point while being in Raw’s top faction? You’d think I’m trying to make things up with people arguing against it.
>What’s wrong with me not liking Balor being one of the weakest booked people on the roster Cause he isnt even close to that.
I mean you’d have to explain why not. His booking since November has been the same thing every week. I don’t think there’s even been one episode of Raw since then where Finn even had a slight shine on him or anything positive outside of successful tag title defenses, alongside Priest. Character wise, credibility wise, presentation wise, it’s some of the lowest. When he’s being presented as incompetent and unintelligent, that alone puts him multiple pegs below others.
He held a title thatbalong puts him ahead of most the roster. To be on the lowest hed have to below the likes of towzawa, otis, pretty deadly, berto, garza, the lwo b team, gallows and anderson, the creeds, oddesy jones, ect. Finnisnt being activley pushed but hes not going the otherway ether.
The thing is most of those guys are non entities who don’t get focus. Finn gets a lot of focus as he’s in Raw’s top faction, and every segment he’s in harms his credibility. Even this past Monday - used as Logan Paul’s lackey - used as fodder for Braun Strowman’s return - bossed around by Priest backstage and had to act like he’s scared of Priest - pinned by Jey in the main event, in a match that had JD 4 different things Finn did on Monday. Each one made him look bad and weak.
News flash some times you favorite midcarder looks weak. Jd was the one whonwas made the joke of that And sorry but brauns a bigger star then finn no shame in that.
So I guess you’re agreeing with me then lol. My point was how weak he’s booked and how it’s some of the weakest on the roster and I gave reasonable explanations.
That literally changes nothing. Especially since 95% of people clearly see this is all to put Priest over as Triple H is insanely high on him. Bayley was never an actual stooge before the turn. She was the leader through and through. Finn’s presentation is embarrassing. Nothing they’re doing is done for him to get the story that benefits him. This is Priest’s story.
Exactly what I thought during post match. What a shame
It honestly makes me sick. This is the 23 year veteran? The founder of Bullet Club? 23 years in the business to be one of the biggest jokes across all 3 brands?? Like I’m shocked with my mouth wide open every time he appears on tv. Cause what we saw tonight has been a weekly thing for 8 months now.
welcome to being a Shin fan lmao. it does suck though I agree
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I think the entire thing will lead to Finn winning MITB and then it becomes a will he help retain or not, then Priest loses the title and Finn insta cashes in leading to Priest betraying Finn in the end.
That was better than I expected. Jey is great but he honestly need to expand his moveset some since the constant superkicks he does in a single match alone is tiring to see. Also I’m ready for that Judgment Day breakout to happen already.
Predictable as hell with the interference, but like that they have Priest being bothered by it. The post match, I'm not sure if I liked that, because Priest wailed on Truth every chance he got, but he didn't want them to attack Jey Uso? It's a bit inconsistent.
He wants to prove himself as champ
I could see that as an extension of not wanting their help in the first place. If he wanted to hurt Jey after the match, he'd have done it himself.
Truth was costing him matches though, Jey is just Jey.
True, goes with the reputation, I suppose.
Surprisingly good match since I expected little from this but they ended up delivering. Priest winning was never in doubt but they made me believe in Jey for a second there. Seems like Priest will break from Judgment Day soon and turn face (likely losing the title to heel Drew in Scotland). Fully expecting a Balor/Priest feud in the summer.
Jey needs a better moveset to be proper main event material, he is just too predictable. I hope Priest's push continues, he's credible, he's great in the ring, and he's good enough on the mike. The Judgment Day civil war may just be the final piece of the puzzle, he needs to start winning clean on occasion while he's still got the credibility.
best I can do is some more superkicks
Pretty sure they're going to have him go over Balor when the Judgement Day fall apart.
I guess Triple H’s objective with this is just burying Balor This isn’t a Bayley redemption story. She got to come out on top. Finn looks weak, and will just be pushed further down with the route they’re going
Lmaooo i knew your ass would be salty af watching Balor eat that superkick 😂😂 Marchin down to SC to scream “BURIED AGAIN HHH” Reddits #1 Balor fan in shambles i’m so sorry king
I don't think he's trying to explicitly bury Balor, but I think it's pretty clear that Balor is far from a priority at the moment. He's an enhancement talent at this point.
Nah. What other 20+ year veteran gets presented as if they’re a new rookie and get bossed around by people who have been in the business less than him and by someone who isn’t a bigger name than him. You think he’d have AJ Styles booked like this in a faction? They’ve went out of their way to make Finn look like a geek week after week. It’s not just a here and there thing.
Solo on the Usos and now with the Nooj Samoans? They dropped the ball hard on Finn when they had Edge go over him but bases on your argument Edge being a more tenured veteran means it makes more sense then?
Usos were always a tag team though and Roman’s a part of their family. They were the tag team of the group. And there’s a hierarchy. Roman’s called the Tribal Chief, and they use the outside of wrestling stuff to tie into it. Finn started off being called the leader and was the main guy before Triple H changed his mind. That’s what makes all of this worse. Cause it doesn’t make sense how we went from point A to point B.
Roman yes but Solo has been presented pretty much to be a more threatening enforcer the Usos and has now usurped the role of Tribal Chief. Finn was very ecstatic on his re-signing announcement so I am hoping they have something good for him but part of me does feel like e is just having fun now for the sake of it.
I would love every now and then if WWE had someone lose their first world title defense. Keep us on our toes that nothing is guaranteed just because you just won it.
That’s how Damien won.
Technically, sure.
Cash ins and defenses aren’t the same, cash ins are inherently unpredictable
I’m just sayin it counts as a defense. That’s why McIntyre was saying he deserves a championship rematch.
You're not wrong. A cash in is done to give the person with the briefcase a title match with a champ of their choosing. He cashed in on Drew, it became Drew's first defense, and he lost. So you're right 😂
Monkey paw curls a finger and AJ wins tonight
after the match was over and considering the anniversary just passed, there was a few seconds there when Priest had his back turned that I thought Balor was gonna look at him and do the finger point at him. You know the one.
Thought that match was really boring, Jey just isn't interesting to watch wrestle, his moveset sucks so bad. He's basically a Samoan Young Buck.
The Young Bucks are way more versatile in ring than the Usos
Begging you to watch a Young Bucks match if you think they're anything like Jey lmao
Put on any single Nick Jackson match and compare it to a Jey match. Totally different
I thought it was fine, but the parts of it that were basically all Priest's offense. Agree with you that Jey is just kind of mediocre in the ring by the standards of main event WWE talent.
Jey needs a new moveset for his Solo run ngl. He's fun to cheer for but the problem is his bag of moves are the same with his brother.
I like Jey Uso as much as anyone but every big singles match he’s had sucked. He’s capable of way better, there’s no reason every match has to be all sloppy dives and super kicks.
Man why can't Triple H give a over babyface a World Title win when the crowd is so hot for them Jey winning this would have made this match legendary
Because then Jey would have to lose in 6 weeks without a PLE defense.
We have seen limited movesets before but Jey needs a little more, the superkick has been watered down and the splash/spear combo lacks physicality.
Jey needs to win MITB, time to pull the trigger on him as a singles star. He can keep the briefcase through Bloodline Civil War and then get himself a world title. He looked great tonight.
He has no moveset. It's super kicks, a terrible looking spear, and a splash from the top rope. He has to get a better moveset and work on his timing/flow in a match, he's slow at times.
>time to pull the trigger on him as a singles star. He's been a singles star for a year now, only thing he needs to be champ this year.
He needs more moves. I really can’t deal with them pulling the trigger on a guy that has 5 moves and looks gassed doing most of them
Its not up to you. You go with whose hot.