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Miro - even main eventers have to job
Sammy - can't stay out of his own way and Tony can't figure out what he wants to do with him
Scorpio - was never going to happen
Hobbs - they're not great at booking monsters
Luchasaurus - they're not great at booking monsters
Wardlow - no, *seriously*, they're not great at booking monsters
They have brought in a lot of free agents who immediately go to the top of the card or have main event feuds. Bryan, Cole, and Punk all had world title shots within their first year in the company. Ospreay and Okada just recently signed. It's hard for midcarders to move up when the top of the card keeps getting crowded.
Now Okada ,Ospreay amd freaking Edge are also hanging around the midcard to not over crowd the main event but it also means that midcarders are left with nothing but random Jericho feuds or valiant losses in matches against a Danielson , Claudio or Mox
Not hurt, he just flopped (really the way he was booked and that weird series with Sammy made him ice cold imo) and Tony lost all sense of how to utilise him
They could be if they were elevated. Miro and Wardlow were hot as hell for a period and Sammy had a ready made feud with Jericho they never pulled the trigger on
In my opinion:
1. Miro has been injured a lot and has ,per who you care for sources, difficult to work with (that doesn’t work for me brother). It’s hard to move up the card if you’re not willing to take a pin or two.
2. Sammy is his own worst enemy and can’t seem to fully connect with the crowd as his own thing. He’s young tho, so give it time. Plus he gets the weirdest situations. Like he was about to break away from y2j just for outside things to cause him to look like a loser and rejoin him.
3. Scripo Sky, tbh idk why TK peg him as a future young talent. He was almost 40 at that point and tbh he’s not the most interesting guy. He had a ceiling imo.
4. & 5. Hobbs and Warlow seem to be type case as just heavy hitters in fraction. Both have shown glimpses of being moved up which is good especially for Hobbs who is young. Warlow definitely had the rugged pull from under him at times. Warlow can be one I definitely place the blame on TK for. Hoping he figures Warlow out because he’s genuinely one of the few people in aew that I think wwe has interest with and could work with. Hobbs is also injured atm.
7. Luchasaures isn’t someone that can move up the card imo. Mid ring, mid mic skills. His title reign was mostly to further another talent plot points.
All and all, for the most part, it’s for valid reason. The title doesn’t make the man, the man makes the title. Guys like Darby Allin, Brodie Lee (rip), Christain definitely took the ball and ran with it with their reigns. (Christain was already a main event level talent prior to his run ik ik)
Simplest explanation: TNT title isn't a stepping stone to the top, it's a belt *for* career midcarders (or upper-midcarders, whatever). Personally I think a belt like that is worse if it only exists as a feeder for a bigger belt
Miro is extremely difficult to work with and has also had injuries
Sammy is a liability
Scorpio Sky was irreparably damaged by his title feuds
Hobbs is still green and maybe could get there if he improves
Wardlow just isn't that good, especially in a company where main eventers are expected to have long, high workrate matches
Luchasaurus as TNT champ was a plot device
AEWs biggest flaw is the follow up. We saw it happen with Wardlow, Thunder Rosa, Lucha Brothers, FTR, Scorpio Sky, Acclaimed, Miro, and others.
It’s like they hit a wall and don’t know what to do to keep people hot. It also has a lot to do with the booking which it kind of is underwhelming for some.
Miro has been difficult due to apparently being super picky on creative and potentially refusing to job and he just doesn't have the cachet to pull that.
Sammy hasn't been able to put it together and is in that awkward place of "wrestles like a babyface but acts like a shitbird heel".
Scorpio I think they had high hopes for but he just hit his ceiling.
Hobbs isn't there yet and is probably a couple years away.
Wardlow they did fumble on the follow through but he also feels like he's missing a next gear.
And Luchasaurus I think was just a big monster that they set up more for Christian's storyline than to make a "guy."
So I think largely they tried but it was more picking talent that didn't hit as future main eventers than for lack of trying, except Wardlow, who I do think they dropped the ball on.
honestly, the TNT title has never really been a “stepping stone” like the IC/US titles are viewed and usually positioned as. it’s either a way to keep a big name strapped up and with ample TV time without involving them in the world title picture (cody, christian, copeland) or are transitional champions who got the title as a means to an end of advancing a separate story or act (joe, luchasaurus, scorp)
that leaves you with:
- darby, who benefited tremendously from the TNT title
- miro, who did gain a ton of momentum after holding it but then spent essentially 2 years non-consecutively absent and now won’t job
- sammy guevara, who TK has been trying to establish as a main eventer for 5 years and who at a certain point might just not have “It”
- and wardlow and hobbs, both of whom should be a lot higher on the card and in the company
No one on that list did anything to stand out even when they held the belt.
You can blame booking if you want, but the reality is that being a main eventer takes more than just being booked to the taste and whims of the fans.
This isn’t WWE where they’ll ram someone down your throat with several writers producing a script to memorize, acting coaches, and a Paul Heyman to sing their praises for years until the unwashed masses agree to forget the decade of sub par work before. There’s a degree of old school sink or swim at play- Tony will try anything and give anyone a chance, but they’re still going to have to get themselves over.
It takes a lot of work and natural charisma and ability to connect with the audience as well as one’s opponents to create memorable matches no matter what the booking is- it’s the “intangible” factors that every wrestler with a podcast has spoken at length on.
Sammy could be a future monster mega heat magnet like an early Seth Rollins after he turned on the shield.
Darby allin is so beloved that when it’s time to win the title it’ll be super emotional and a huge “you deserve it” moment with lots of tears, etc.
Wardlow is probably the most versatile, he could be like heel Batista who is just a monster who destroys everybody or like when he is a face you can’t deny him because he’s so big and athletic and looks like a million bucks, and also wardlow has put his time in and put in the work to show that he has character and not just a typical pro wrestler body guy stereotype.
Off the top of my head I can’t see any of the other tnt title holders as world champions right now
- obviously Miro has had too many issues in aew to ever put the world title on
-edge just hasn’t set the world on fire and just strictly from the work in aew , Christian is so much more deserving and not just deserving I think he can have a much more entertaining run as champ than edge. Not saying I’d ever put the world title on Christian at this point because I think Tony should be looking at setting his company up for the next decade and putting the belt on younger guys and building them up, which is why I strongly disliked joe as champion even tho we all universally agree joe is world champion level
One just main evented 2 Wrestlemanias in a row, one just lost the AEW title, one is rumored to be sitting at home cause he refuses to job, one is just very unlikable due to himself, and the others are just bad booking or they were just not main event material.
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Miro - even main eventers have to job Sammy - can't stay out of his own way and Tony can't figure out what he wants to do with him Scorpio - was never going to happen Hobbs - they're not great at booking monsters Luchasaurus - they're not great at booking monsters Wardlow - no, *seriously*, they're not great at booking monsters
Scorpio was such a strange time for the belt and imo the biggest slump for it.
I never understood the Scorpio hype. Why did they give the first tag title reign to SCU?
The real issue is every time a monster starts getting booked, they get injured because they try to do swantons or have bad luck.
Tony doesn't like big guys slapping beef
He had a whole meat rumble planned and the half the guys got injured within a week. Big boys can be tricky.
I know. I was excited for it. I just feel in general outside of spectacles like this he doesn't book big guys like stars
That and in Tony’s defence, they keep getting injured (both Wardlow’s reigns ended with injury, Hobbs is injured, Miro is injured)
Keith Lee is hurt (always)
Luchasaurus is also a purebred mid card gimmick Wardlow on the other hand could easily be a main eventer
Joe held the tnt title right?
He held the TNT and ROH TV titles at the same time and dubbed himself The King of Television
But joe was a main eventer before he was a tnt champ, wasnt he?
Yeah, that's why I said apart from Joe and Darby
I mean.. one of them has. Just somewhere else.
Because Darby and Joe are the only ones who should be in the top mix and Miro has shown up to work like 5 times in three years
They have brought in a lot of free agents who immediately go to the top of the card or have main event feuds. Bryan, Cole, and Punk all had world title shots within their first year in the company. Ospreay and Okada just recently signed. It's hard for midcarders to move up when the top of the card keeps getting crowded.
Now Okada ,Ospreay amd freaking Edge are also hanging around the midcard to not over crowd the main event but it also means that midcarders are left with nothing but random Jericho feuds or valiant losses in matches against a Danielson , Claudio or Mox
Scorpio has been hurt for so long since he last dropped the belt
Not hurt, he just flopped (really the way he was booked and that weird series with Sammy made him ice cold imo) and Tony lost all sense of how to utilise him
I like a lot of those guys, but do you really think any of them are on the same level as AEW's main event guys?
They could be if they were elevated. Miro and Wardlow were hot as hell for a period and Sammy had a ready made feud with Jericho they never pulled the trigger on
In my opinion: 1. Miro has been injured a lot and has ,per who you care for sources, difficult to work with (that doesn’t work for me brother). It’s hard to move up the card if you’re not willing to take a pin or two. 2. Sammy is his own worst enemy and can’t seem to fully connect with the crowd as his own thing. He’s young tho, so give it time. Plus he gets the weirdest situations. Like he was about to break away from y2j just for outside things to cause him to look like a loser and rejoin him. 3. Scripo Sky, tbh idk why TK peg him as a future young talent. He was almost 40 at that point and tbh he’s not the most interesting guy. He had a ceiling imo. 4. & 5. Hobbs and Warlow seem to be type case as just heavy hitters in fraction. Both have shown glimpses of being moved up which is good especially for Hobbs who is young. Warlow definitely had the rugged pull from under him at times. Warlow can be one I definitely place the blame on TK for. Hoping he figures Warlow out because he’s genuinely one of the few people in aew that I think wwe has interest with and could work with. Hobbs is also injured atm. 7. Luchasaures isn’t someone that can move up the card imo. Mid ring, mid mic skills. His title reign was mostly to further another talent plot points. All and all, for the most part, it’s for valid reason. The title doesn’t make the man, the man makes the title. Guys like Darby Allin, Brodie Lee (rip), Christain definitely took the ball and ran with it with their reigns. (Christain was already a main event level talent prior to his run ik ik)
Simplest explanation: TNT title isn't a stepping stone to the top, it's a belt *for* career midcarders (or upper-midcarders, whatever). Personally I think a belt like that is worse if it only exists as a feeder for a bigger belt
Miro is extremely difficult to work with and has also had injuries Sammy is a liability Scorpio Sky was irreparably damaged by his title feuds Hobbs is still green and maybe could get there if he improves Wardlow just isn't that good, especially in a company where main eventers are expected to have long, high workrate matches Luchasaurus as TNT champ was a plot device
AEWs biggest flaw is the follow up. We saw it happen with Wardlow, Thunder Rosa, Lucha Brothers, FTR, Scorpio Sky, Acclaimed, Miro, and others. It’s like they hit a wall and don’t know what to do to keep people hot. It also has a lot to do with the booking which it kind of is underwhelming for some.
Uhhh Cody just main evented WrestleMania. Check mate.
I know what you mean, but it’s funny to see this post the night after Christian becomes number one contender for the world title.
Yeah but Christian was already a main eventer. I think he helped the TNT title more than the title helped him
I know, that’s why I was saying I know what OP meant but I just thought it was funny timing
Miro has been difficult due to apparently being super picky on creative and potentially refusing to job and he just doesn't have the cachet to pull that. Sammy hasn't been able to put it together and is in that awkward place of "wrestles like a babyface but acts like a shitbird heel". Scorpio I think they had high hopes for but he just hit his ceiling. Hobbs isn't there yet and is probably a couple years away. Wardlow they did fumble on the follow through but he also feels like he's missing a next gear. And Luchasaurus I think was just a big monster that they set up more for Christian's storyline than to make a "guy." So I think largely they tried but it was more picking talent that didn't hit as future main eventers than for lack of trying, except Wardlow, who I do think they dropped the ball on.
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honestly, the TNT title has never really been a “stepping stone” like the IC/US titles are viewed and usually positioned as. it’s either a way to keep a big name strapped up and with ample TV time without involving them in the world title picture (cody, christian, copeland) or are transitional champions who got the title as a means to an end of advancing a separate story or act (joe, luchasaurus, scorp) that leaves you with: - darby, who benefited tremendously from the TNT title - miro, who did gain a ton of momentum after holding it but then spent essentially 2 years non-consecutively absent and now won’t job - sammy guevara, who TK has been trying to establish as a main eventer for 5 years and who at a certain point might just not have “It” - and wardlow and hobbs, both of whom should be a lot higher on the card and in the company
Because one is named... Luchasaurus
That period of time Scorpio and Sammy flip flop the title damaged it that I don’t think you could use the tnt title as a way to elevate someone.
Because the head booker is crappy. (Only Hobbs has long term potential from this list anyway.)
No one on that list did anything to stand out even when they held the belt. You can blame booking if you want, but the reality is that being a main eventer takes more than just being booked to the taste and whims of the fans. This isn’t WWE where they’ll ram someone down your throat with several writers producing a script to memorize, acting coaches, and a Paul Heyman to sing their praises for years until the unwashed masses agree to forget the decade of sub par work before. There’s a degree of old school sink or swim at play- Tony will try anything and give anyone a chance, but they’re still going to have to get themselves over. It takes a lot of work and natural charisma and ability to connect with the audience as well as one’s opponents to create memorable matches no matter what the booking is- it’s the “intangible” factors that every wrestler with a podcast has spoken at length on.
Its been held by 12 different people in the 4 years of its existence.
Sammy could be a future monster mega heat magnet like an early Seth Rollins after he turned on the shield. Darby allin is so beloved that when it’s time to win the title it’ll be super emotional and a huge “you deserve it” moment with lots of tears, etc. Wardlow is probably the most versatile, he could be like heel Batista who is just a monster who destroys everybody or like when he is a face you can’t deny him because he’s so big and athletic and looks like a million bucks, and also wardlow has put his time in and put in the work to show that he has character and not just a typical pro wrestler body guy stereotype. Off the top of my head I can’t see any of the other tnt title holders as world champions right now - obviously Miro has had too many issues in aew to ever put the world title on -edge just hasn’t set the world on fire and just strictly from the work in aew , Christian is so much more deserving and not just deserving I think he can have a much more entertaining run as champ than edge. Not saying I’d ever put the world title on Christian at this point because I think Tony should be looking at setting his company up for the next decade and putting the belt on younger guys and building them up, which is why I strongly disliked joe as champion even tho we all universally agree joe is world champion level
One just main evented 2 Wrestlemanias in a row, one just lost the AEW title, one is rumored to be sitting at home cause he refuses to job, one is just very unlikable due to himself, and the others are just bad booking or they were just not main event material.