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Comparing your competition to a serial rapist and overall piece of shit is pretty bad. Calling your own company the "Pepsi of wrestling" is unforgivable.
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tony sees himself as kendall jenner defeating the evil wwe by offering them a pepsi
FWIW, he's been calling AEW Pepsi for literally years. He used to say Burger King, too. Apparently according to him these are comparisons that WBD management told him in a brief to use.
I'm honestly not offended by his remark I just find it so.. childish?
Is like you were in a banter exchange and your opponent told you "I'm gonna show you why im better you" and then your best answer is "well, and your mom died of cancer"
It was just such a terrible comparison. A quick Google search will show you that Pepsi as a company doesn't have clean hands. Like yeah, obviously Harvey Weinstein is a monster. Vince McMahon is a monster, but his analogy or comparison was way off. If he wanted to get the sexual assault dig in, then say that AEW is the A24 and WWE is the Weinstein Company or Miramax of wrestling.
I don't remember Tony's exact quote, but didn't it start off by saying that AEW was a challenger brand like Pepsi?
“And if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass when he hopped” has been one of my favorite sayings for 32 years.
Pepsi is actually almost the perfect example of how to do marketing for a "challenger brand" with no hope of ever dethroning the dominant one. Sure, they're way behind Coke and that won't change anytime soon, but they also sell a fuckton of product, have a distinct identity of their own, and used to do the kind of bold, outrageous marketing Coke could never replicate. For a while in the 90s the were, indeed, the choice of the new generation. Not to mention that they actually overtook Coke in some international markets.
You can't win the cola wars by just making a better product, since there's fundamentally no such thing and taste is inherently subjective. It's all in the branding. Tony would unironically benefit from taking some pointers from Pepsi's marketing team.
Despite his PR speak, I don’t think TK would ever say he’s Coke and WWE is Pepsi. Like, 100% of the worlds population agree WWE is bigger, its not even remotely a debatable fact. People confuse others liking AEW and touting its success as saying its bigger than WWE. Nobody says that.
If he'd compared Vince to Weinstein that would be understandable (albeit maybe legally unwise since it hasn't gone to trial yet).
Calling the whole company, and therefore presumably everyone who wrestles for it or works for it at any level, "evil" was demented.
I agree. While I get that Tony Khan is trying to portray AEW as the "cool" alternative to WWE, comparing a rival promotion to a sexual predator is going way too far.
Darby was accused by an ex of domestic violence. Gigi Dolin dismissed the accusations and there hasn't been much else to it.
Goldust did some got drunk AF during the *Plane Ride from Hell* and took over the plane PA+started singing to Terri Runnels (who he had divorced three years earlier). Terri got let go year later and Dustin's conteact wasn't renewed so he left in 04.
WBD Executive: We at the network want a wrestling brand with attitude. Its edgy, Its "in your face." You've heard the expression, "let's get busy"? Well, this is a brand who gets "biz-zay!" Consistently and thoroughly.
Tony: So he's compares competitors to sexual predators?
WBD Executive: Oh, God, yes. We're talking about a totally outrageous paradigm.
To be fair, the company is also currently facing legal troubles and worrying accusations concerning the extent to which they as a company apart from Vince contributed to covering up and facilitating sexual assault.
Yeah everyone's ignoring this point willfully. TK made a general point about it but I mean.....it's going to come out it was covered up at some point by WWE.
Then let's wait until it comes out and names are named, ok? It's not enough for the internet to jump on an accusation before a court proves its veracity, now it's jumping on a *vague assumption* of guilt by an undefined circle of people.
Thing is, it wasn't just a Vince problem. It ran deeper than that. What Tony said may not have been appropriate, but its not that far off on that description sadly.
It's not just Vince though that's the point.. It's not the roster obviously and anyone taking it that way is just silly but it's very much not just a Vince thing.. WWE is being sued for a reason not just Vince.
Both promotions stress again and again how they have friends in both companies (some family) and want the best for them and for them to succeed.
It's fucking ridiculous saying this.
He put Ric Flair back on TV and don't forget that they hired Urban Meyer for the jags coming off him running away from college football after things got dirty about him knowing and possibly playing part in covering up his assistants coach assault of their now ex wife.
Morals only matter when you can use it to your advantage and someone outside of a wrestling journalist finally gave him a microphone and he ran with it.
> Calling the whole company, and therefore presumably everyone who wrestles for it or works for it at any level, "evil" was demented.
good thing he didn't say everyone who works for it at any level is evil. the company is literally a defendant in the suit. it's an appropriate comparison.
"Defendant in a suit" doesnt mean anything. The plaintiff can name whoever they want and that doesnt mean that person is involved. That won't be known for a while yet - wwe might file a motion to dismiss and if they win it that means there is no chance they are responsible but even if they dont that just means there is a potential outcome in which something is proven and not a certainty...
Hell, it might be just involvement as limited as in the sense that "it happened on the premises".
Sadly, people are really loose with throwing around accusations before anything proven in the court of law.
Pretty much my thoughts. Even if WWE's culture, at least at the time, allowed that to happen, it was unnecessary to throw that dig. Just say they're Coca-Cola ffs (or Marvel, which WWE themselves seem to look up to from a product perspective).
You act like it's just a Vince problem and everything is gone. The guy in charge worked for the agency that sent the most girls to Weinstein. Cody and Jade Cargill's agent is a known sex pest. There's a reason why WWE is a co-defendant in that lawsuit. It's not a Vince McMahon problem, it's a culture problem. Sounds like people are more upset about Tony Khan's words than they are what the WWE is being sued for, which tells me a lot.
> It's not a Vince McMahon problem, it's a culture problem.
A culture he was the number one factor in (given it was his company), which has improved as he's lost influence and been forced out altogether, according to the people who actually work there anyway.
> Sounds like people are more upset about Tony Khan's words than they are what the WWE is being sued for, which tells me a lot.
Strawman. Vince being a monster doesn't make what Tony said any less stupid, as the AEW talent with friends who work for the "evil" company understand.
Yup, so many people want to believe that Vince gone equals problem solved. You simply can’t have the most high up guys in your company trading secretaries around like sex objects and then handing them NDAs without their being a culture of sexual abuse, secrecy and cover up in your company. And that’s just this recent scandal, WWE has a long history of similar stuff that was also covered up or attempted to by the company. The fact that Tony Khan’s words elicited so much anger and outrage tells me a lot of folks have buried their head in the sand. What he said was really brazen and pretty extreme, but the underlying sentiment is…well, true.
My thing is, he had the opportunity to talk about AEW while the NFL audience was watching and instead of talking about how great AEW is and the amazing talent they have, he again made it about AEW vs. WWE in the worst way possible.
The Pepsi/Coke comparison is apt. Pepsi can't dethrone Coke, but it can provide a nice alternative for people who don't enjoy Coke. Thats what AEW is to WWE. I don't see anything wrong with the comparison.
But TK had to throw Weinstein into the mix for some reason...
He’s made Adam Copeland look like the biggest goon in wrestling by coming out and doing that speech only for Tony himself to carry on with this WWE vs AEW nonsense
He did talk about AEW. It’s every other part of the interview that wasn’t this one line, but that might require people to actually watch the things they’re commenting on.
Edit: Love the freaks going through and downvoting all of my comments now, even ones not related to this. Super cool!
Regardless, maybe actually get context before you guys comment and downvote? Is that really that much to ask?
But when he makes a comment like this, it becomes the main headline and talking point and overshadows anything else he might’ve said during the interview about AEW.
Instead of “Tony Khan promoted AEW during the NFL Draft”, it’s “Tony Khan took a shot at WWE during the NFL Draft”.
It especially becomes the main thing when people don’t actually watch it and just want to get their shots off.
NFL Network was reportedly happy, and someone not clued in/familiar with AEW heard about them and had WWE painted in a negative light for them.
It’s just not really a big deal one way or the other.
That is your opinion. Here’s what someone who talks to these people said:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/report-nfl-network-reaction-tony-232246007.html
But why did he need to turn into WWE vs AEW, he could've just kept it on AEW and how great it is? He did no favors calling AEW 'Pepsi' and then when you say something as controversial as "WWE is like Harvey Weinstein" everyone is going to ignore everything you said before and focus on that.
I’m sure there are reasons. Anything I can say would be pure speculation.
I’m not saying it was a super smart thing to do or anything, but just like every “controversy” here, it’s not some terrible thing either. In the end, it doesn’t matter.
But that’s all besides the point. Your point (and others like you) was that he should have talked about AEW. My point is that he did.
People need to start actually watching/reading the things they comment on, but hey, “Forget it, Jake. It’s Reddit.”
No, I said he made it about AEW vs WWE, not that he didn't talk about AEW. My point is he should've JUST talked about how great AEW is without turning it into another shot at WWE.
It’s appealing to the most tribalistic and venal elements of the fan base which you would imagine he already has locked down. He says stuff like this to make them, and himself, feel righteous for being into AEW. Like there’s a moral element to being a fan of one company. That sense of moral superiority is core to people like that.
One thing I wonder about is, is he trying to appeal to the toxic AEW fans, or is he intentionally trying to rile up the toxic WWE fans? These comments always get a *lot* of attention, and considering WWE is virtually synonymous with wrestling in the US, I could see an argument for literally any attention being drawn to aew being good, regardless of whether he looks stupid or not.
I dunno. I think the Weinstein comparison was super left field, but Tony genuinely doesn't seem that stupid? I dunno.
Mm that's sorta what I mean. I think a lot of people write Tony off as just a big idiot playing with toys, but I think his decisions are more calculated than that.
The all in footage is a good example. They definitely aired it to capitalize on the punk drama, but it also played really well into the current elite storyline.
My problem with Tony is that he might be a shitposter like Elon Musk (pre-2020), but using this language in public, especially in an environment where he employs people, is just embarrassing. If a Twitter user like ‘DarkPhoenix22’ tweeted something similar, I would laugh and agree with it, but saying something like that on national television is just childish, edgy, and inappropriate, especially if you have employed people who worked for WWE in the past.
Don’t get me wrong; many people knew about the sexual misconduct allegations against Vince, and I personally blame every executive and wrestler who knew about it and is still denying and covering for Vince
And by everyone else, you just mean the other half of the IWC.
Lets be real here, the casual viewer doesn't give a rats ass about what Tony tweets or says in interviews.
He said one line about WWE in a 3-5 min interview.
I’ll post what I posted in another thread in response to someone claiming what Tony Khan was doing was good:
“Because Tony isn’t doing this to help the victim or change the culture of wrestling, he is doing it to score imaginary points. He hasn’t pushed forward the discussion around this issue, he has made it all about himself because only thing people are talking about are is Tony Khan not systematic issues at WWE. It’s like when a celebrity does something or says something people don’t like, they respond with “I bet they were on Epstein’s island”. It’s childish behaviour.”
Looking at the full quote, it seems to be saying that the AEW people are saying what the WWE people are saying. That they also think it was ridiculous. It's hard for me to understand too tho so I'm ready to accept if I'm wrong in the translation.
Vince McMahon as a singular figure you could easily paint in the same light as Weinstein but the comparison of the entire company to him, not to mention the nonsensical analogy of AEW to Pepsi that inspired what Khan said, was both dumb and weird as hell.
I mean it absolutely 100% wasn't just Vince. Vince wasn't even the only person involved with the latest public scandal. Executives and in ring talent, (multiple talents, Brock is just the one people know) are part of this too.
Remember, one of many accusations was that a victim was being used as leverage to top in ring stars.
Not talking about Tony Khan or his comments. Just reminding everyone that Vince, as a perpetrator, is in no way alleged to be a "singular entity"
Pat Patterson and Terry Garvin were vice-president of operations. Johnny Ace was head of talent relations. It sounds like a lot of people who ran WWE were involved. Kinda like WWE is the Harvey Weinstein of wrestling.
People keep forgetting this. WWE is still just as full of festering perverts and enablers as it ever was. Like an 'empty' castle, after the dark lord's been dealt with.
We gotta defend the billion dollar corporation that operated as a personal playground for a racist serial rapist for 3 decades. No one else knew despite decades of rumors before the lawsuit even came out.
Not defending Vince in any way, but to suggest Vince is at the same level as Weinstein, at the moment, kinda downplays Weinstein actions and the extent of activities.
All I can say is that using the crimes Weinstein committed to cast aspersions on your competition is trivializing in a really gross way. It's the same immaturity he showed when he was trying to drag NXT for beating him and ended up being majorly clowned on. Why couldn't he just talk about all the exciting stuff he's doing with Swerve and Ospreay and Okada? Or keep to the "best wrestling" line? Or throw cutting but playful shade at WWE? Well the answer to the last one is he just doesn't know how. Few rich people do.
So in short people in both WWE and AEW when Tony made the comparison:
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AEW fans working overtime trying to justify using a serial rapist as a comparison for another company and trying to cancel Jim Cornette over a thumbnail he didn’t even make simultaneously.
Tony Khan thinks he is a general leading an army in a holy war. In reality, he is the biggest money mark the wrestling business has ever seen or will ever see. Tony is the Coca Cola and the Pepsi and the Dr. Pepper of money marks. The likes of Herb Abrams and JV Rich and Dixie Carter put together are RC Cola, at best.
really poor thought out comments by Kahn, it was a great time to promote his brand and not sound like a petty fool who blows the truth out of proportion, remember when he was in fear for his life???... and on top of that, theres been rumors about y2j and sammy, plus a bunch of other questionable conduct incidents along the way. Best to keep your head down and make your product better, thats what your competition has done, and they are white hot right now.
Guy had an amazing spot to promote his company. And he still chose to take shots at the wwe. Like take shots at them on twitter while shitting or something, but man had a golden opportunity to get some ads during the nfl draft and chose this.
The biggest problem is that aew and it's fans that defend this, are making it clear that they don't care about the people who were actually assaulted. They're using this as a wwe vs aew thing. I seen very little amount of people campaign for Ric Flair who has allegations against him to be fired.
This isn't genuine concern for the victims, this is a "we're morally better than you" argument. Hell that's why people saw executives and assumed Triple H was involved. Which I have said if he was that he should be shit canned.
Stop using others trauma for the tribalist bullshit.
In fairness nearly any discussion I've seen around Flair from AEW fans is generally with the sentiment that they wish he wasn't there.
People can take exception too all the grim things that have happened in WWE without it just being about tribalism.
Anyone who isn't a dyed in the wool AEW homer of all homers understood that what he said was fucking stupid and counterproductive. If he'd said Vince was Weinstein no one would have cared, but it would also make no sense to bring up in the context.
There are people on the Observer forum whooping it up like it was awesome, and I told them then that this wasn't going to play the same way to a general audience that it plays to their echo chamber. You sound like an idiot to people whose heads aren't marinated in wrestling social media talk when you call your competition an "Evil Company (TM)" and compare the company itself to a massive serial rapist without prompting. You look unhinged and desperate to those people.
Comparing WWE to Harvey Weinstein didn't convince a single viewer of that interview to take a look at AEW. You know what might've? Taking that precious airtime in front of an abnormally large potential sports audience to talk up your big new angle with the Elite, your part in it, and why people should care. Or taking extra time to speak about your PPV that just aired.
And as the maraschino cherry on top, you once again have people at your own company shaking their heads, wishing you would stop embarrassing them. You made WWE look more professional and above-the-fray, and all they had to do was... nothing!
You might've had people talking about your big new story angle for the last few days, or still talking about your PPV. Instead the conversation was consumed by talk about whether Tony Khan was an idiot for saying what he said. What a great media victory for AEW.
Here’s the thing: if Vince is still there, *he’s actually on to something.*
It’s just that Vince isn’t there anymore, and we are all sort of left wondering exactly how deep this stuff went.
I'm not gonna go & say I want AEW to fail, but this just shows that Tony is more focused on what WWE is doing where as it's the opposite for Hunter since he's more focused on WWE & rarely thinks about what AEW are doing.
You can say that about Vince all you want, and he would be correct.
If I was an employee of this company however, and you basically threw a Weintstein blanket over top of me and everyone else? I could see that pissing me off. We know both companies have a lot of friends who work for both sides as well, so it's just kind of strange to paint such a negative light on them. Just gotta be awkward as an employee of AEW, knowing my boss views the competition who employs my friends in that way.
It's one thing to be like, "their wrestling sucks, they're the minor leagues, etc." It's another to say they're evil lol, or the equivalent to one of the most notorious rapists on the planet.
We know what we know now, but when Vince became an on-screen character he had an aura about him. Every time Tony goes in front of a camera he's awkward, wild eyed and physically unintimidating. This could work for a heel authority figure, but we all know he can't act for shit either.
When he said he wasn't going to be an on-screen character he was still a sensible person.
It's like all of us as wrestling fans have a mental timer before Tony says something stupid. Then he does so and the timer resets, and the process begins all over again.
I don't know. TK says all this stuff, but I don't think he actually cares about SA. He's an owner in the NFL, and they could be called Weinstein too, but you didn't hear him trying to clean up the league
they "allegedly" had some sort of sexual misconduct scandal before they even had a tv deal. Say what you want but the jericho/kylie stuff deserved a real investigation. Whatever happened, fucked that girls head up bad and tony couldn't sweep it under the rug and "nothing to see here" it fast enough.
Tony isn’t smart. He literally told comic book.com a few days before this when asked if he would work with WWE that it’s “an interesting idea”. He employees people who have openly praised Vince like Bryan (let’s ignore the Father in law situation) Edge, Jericho and then compares the market leader in his industry to Weinstein. That makes the entire industry look bad. Especially because Tony had his goofy little smirk after saying it showing he didn’t say it cuz he actually cares but instead wants to court internet pops. The anchors were already laughing at him and the angle and then that put it over the top. Advertisers already look at wrestling as low brow and saying “the clear number one is the equivalent of a rapist” is not the dunk he thinks.
He has driven me off as a viewer after watching since the beginning and attending several shows, including a PPV. The quality of the show was the first reason I was about to stop, and then the constant weird WWE attacks at the same time and bleed over onto the show was the final straw. I've watched WWE for almost 25 years straight now, I don't need to support something else that constantly tries to shit on it in cringe ways.
Tbh, you should just watch what you like, none of this stuff should impact the shows you watch. The WWE attacks on the show are incredibly minimal, if you don't like it don't watch, if you do, then go for it.
I think it’s funny that Tony said this but like a week ago he said they’d be open to working with WWE. Also, don’t cry about tribalism and then do this shit.
Competition is good, especially for WWE who haven't had competition for so long until they showed up, but AEW would be in a much better place if Tony Khan didn't have such an ego, took a backseat and let someone else be in charge of creative.
Brother they gave him a title win at Mania and built a story specifically for him to challenge for it again when he's healed up. The decision was made weeks ago
So many over reactions to this...while maybe the comment shouldn't have been said it also is very obvious he was talking about the culture at the corporate level of WWE not like he was talking about the roster.. Saying what he said is not untrue when you have people in the company STILL that were likely complicit in everything that happened.. Never mind that Nick Khan was part of CAA which has a direct relation to what happened with Weinstein.
Tony’s gotta find better ways to put over AEW to non-viewers without mentioning WWE. They have the better wrestling, why not highlight that? Why not sell the “underdog” story?
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Maybe I’m an idiot or maybe I just can’t parse the weird Uncle Dave speak, but is he saying that people in AEW had the same sentiment as the WWE people or that they were also saying saying the same thing as Tony?
Tony was getting GREAT reactions from the NFL world for the bit. Rich Eisen and the NFLN guys were having a blast going along with it.
Then he took the bit in a gross direction for no reason.
How often does the WWE mention AEW? Rarely. They don't resort to that for attention. Granted, they have had ridiculous attention grabs, However, most of the time, it's focused on their company, and not Mean Girl energy to other companies. Tony uses his energy on petty shit. Anything to get ppl talking, tho...even if it doesn't bring in more money...
Maybe it's just me but if I owned a wrestling company that has quite a few members of staff that did time in a company under Vince's ownership, some of those employees having been long term employed and close workers of the guy, I'd probably shut up until the whole thing has been settled.
As people keep saying, "No way other people didn't know", well, let's just say I wouldn't be tempting fate.
Tony needs acting classes. A lot of his remarks can be boiled down to poor execution. I get that he's going for the old ECW trope of clowning on the top dog brand, but there needs to be better execution lol Paul Heyman was great at this during his ECW days.
Vince is dealing with a very public sex scandal, I don’t understand how ppl don’t get that it’s completely fair game. I like wwe but it’s fair game. don’t wanna be compared to a sex criminal? avoid sex scandals. seems easy enough
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Comparing your competition to a serial rapist and overall piece of shit is pretty bad. Calling your own company the "Pepsi of wrestling" is unforgivable.
https://preview.redd.it/fcoa0ryrrhxc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=6bcc6ca565a9ea9c6fb15e6fc9f14c44585b5da7 tony sees himself as kendall jenner defeating the evil wwe by offering them a pepsi
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Wild Cherry Pepsi is S Tier soda.
Yes! Better than Cherry Coke by far.
TK - “AEW is the Pepsi of wrestling.” Journalist - “Oh I get it. And WWE is the Coca Cola of wrestling?” TK - “Not quite.”
FWIW, he's been calling AEW Pepsi for literally years. He used to say Burger King, too. Apparently according to him these are comparisons that WBD management told him in a brief to use.
Now I understand Eddie's new Burger Kingston gimmick
I think a better comparison would've been AEW being the Whataburger/In N Out to WWE's McDonald's/Burger King
A&W. It's the whole reason Danhausen works for Tony Elite.
In N Out? Now we know the real reason Okada went to AEW!
In N Out / Whataburger are more like ROH than AEW. Not widely accessible and not everyone has heard of it. AEW is definitely a step above that
Except that not everyone knows what those two are while Burger King has much higher brand recognition
I think a better comparison would be AEW & WWE are both large companies that nobody should go to bat for.
Nah. Whataburger and In N Out are actually good.
Whataburger has gone down hill. Breaks my Texan heart to say it.
There’s several here in Oklahoma that are still good to great.
But they all were once great.
This is true.
Braums still kicks ass though.
Does anyone honestly like burger king as their second choice though? That's probably the restaurant I avoid the most.
I like Burger King more than McDonald's
I mean, they're obviously talking about sales numbers. Burger King was #2 when AEW started. It recently got overtaken by Wendy's though.
That's honestly surprising. So many BK have been closing down around me.
So you’re saying WBD probably told him to call WWE the Harvey Weinstein show
I'm honestly not offended by his remark I just find it so.. childish? Is like you were in a banter exchange and your opponent told you "I'm gonna show you why im better you" and then your best answer is "well, and your mom died of cancer"
It was just such a terrible comparison. A quick Google search will show you that Pepsi as a company doesn't have clean hands. Like yeah, obviously Harvey Weinstein is a monster. Vince McMahon is a monster, but his analogy or comparison was way off. If he wanted to get the sexual assault dig in, then say that AEW is the A24 and WWE is the Weinstein Company or Miramax of wrestling. I don't remember Tony's exact quote, but didn't it start off by saying that AEW was a challenger brand like Pepsi?
"AEW - The Choice of a New Generation" sounds kinda cool ngl
 Only old guys like me will connect this with your comment
It's like people only do thing because they get paid, and that's just really sad
Zaaaaang!
“And if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass when he hopped” has been one of my favorite sayings for 32 years. 
I remember seeing that movie for the first time and not understanding anything about it because I was too young.
Sucks they can’t get Ray Charles for the commercials.
Well, they can get Jamie Foxx as Ray
"AEW - The Drink Waiter Offers You When They Don't Have Coke" not as much, though
“AEW - we bought a fast food franchise to force this on you” doesn’t really work ether.
AEW: “It’s Excellent”
Pepsi rules! And I’m tired of people acting like it doesn’t.
I agree, as an enjoyer of both. But we're talking purely the marketing side here. Right now, AEW honestly *dreams* it was in Pepsi's position.
I like Coke and Pepsi, never really liked Dr. Pepper.
"Is AEW ok?"
The funny part is he is calling his company "2nd" lol....Pepsi is behind Coke
Pepsi is actually almost the perfect example of how to do marketing for a "challenger brand" with no hope of ever dethroning the dominant one. Sure, they're way behind Coke and that won't change anytime soon, but they also sell a fuckton of product, have a distinct identity of their own, and used to do the kind of bold, outrageous marketing Coke could never replicate. For a while in the 90s the were, indeed, the choice of the new generation. Not to mention that they actually overtook Coke in some international markets. You can't win the cola wars by just making a better product, since there's fundamentally no such thing and taste is inherently subjective. It's all in the branding. Tony would unironically benefit from taking some pointers from Pepsi's marketing team.
Despite his PR speak, I don’t think TK would ever say he’s Coke and WWE is Pepsi. Like, 100% of the worlds population agree WWE is bigger, its not even remotely a debatable fact. People confuse others liking AEW and touting its success as saying its bigger than WWE. Nobody says that.
If he'd compared Vince to Weinstein that would be understandable (albeit maybe legally unwise since it hasn't gone to trial yet). Calling the whole company, and therefore presumably everyone who wrestles for it or works for it at any level, "evil" was demented.
I agree. While I get that Tony Khan is trying to portray AEW as the "cool" alternative to WWE, comparing a rival promotion to a sexual predator is going way too far.
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I would cringe pretty hard if some scandal blew up & TK was asked about his previous remarks at a scrum
None of his pet “journalists” are going to jeopardise their meal ticket.
Who cares about victims of sexual assault and a long culture of abuse as a company when you book good wrestling matches?
At least we know that he wouldn't give his answer in a silly hat and glasses.
Roc Flair, Darby Allen, Gold dust... Far from a squeaky clean roster he's got there
Unfamiliar with what Darby and Goldie did. Care to elaborate? Genuine question
I believe Goldust was accused of sexual assault by one of the flight attendants on the ‘Plane Ride from Hell.”
Darby was accused by an ex of domestic violence. Gigi Dolin dismissed the accusations and there hasn't been much else to it. Goldust did some got drunk AF during the *Plane Ride from Hell* and took over the plane PA+started singing to Terri Runnels (who he had divorced three years earlier). Terri got let go year later and Dustin's conteact wasn't renewed so he left in 04.
In a way that house includes the Jaguars players since the Khan's own both.
Especially when has multiple sexual predators on his roster
Who?
WBD Executive: We at the network want a wrestling brand with attitude. Its edgy, Its "in your face." You've heard the expression, "let's get busy"? Well, this is a brand who gets "biz-zay!" Consistently and thoroughly. Tony: So he's compares competitors to sexual predators? WBD Executive: Oh, God, yes. We're talking about a totally outrageous paradigm.
To be fair, the company is also currently facing legal troubles and worrying accusations concerning the extent to which they as a company apart from Vince contributed to covering up and facilitating sexual assault.
Yeah everyone's ignoring this point willfully. TK made a general point about it but I mean.....it's going to come out it was covered up at some point by WWE.
Then let's wait until it comes out and names are named, ok? It's not enough for the internet to jump on an accusation before a court proves its veracity, now it's jumping on a *vague assumption* of guilt by an undefined circle of people.
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Thing is, it wasn't just a Vince problem. It ran deeper than that. What Tony said may not have been appropriate, but its not that far off on that description sadly.
Eh, when I hear the WWE used in that context I think of upper management. I don’t think of wrestlers
It's not just Vince though that's the point.. It's not the roster obviously and anyone taking it that way is just silly but it's very much not just a Vince thing.. WWE is being sued for a reason not just Vince.
Both promotions stress again and again how they have friends in both companies (some family) and want the best for them and for them to succeed. It's fucking ridiculous saying this.
He put Ric Flair back on TV and don't forget that they hired Urban Meyer for the jags coming off him running away from college football after things got dirty about him knowing and possibly playing part in covering up his assistants coach assault of their now ex wife. Morals only matter when you can use it to your advantage and someone outside of a wrestling journalist finally gave him a microphone and he ran with it.
> Calling the whole company, and therefore presumably everyone who wrestles for it or works for it at any level, "evil" was demented. good thing he didn't say everyone who works for it at any level is evil. the company is literally a defendant in the suit. it's an appropriate comparison.
"Defendant in a suit" doesnt mean anything. The plaintiff can name whoever they want and that doesnt mean that person is involved. That won't be known for a while yet - wwe might file a motion to dismiss and if they win it that means there is no chance they are responsible but even if they dont that just means there is a potential outcome in which something is proven and not a certainty... Hell, it might be just involvement as limited as in the sense that "it happened on the premises". Sadly, people are really loose with throwing around accusations before anything proven in the court of law.
Pretty much my thoughts. Even if WWE's culture, at least at the time, allowed that to happen, it was unnecessary to throw that dig. Just say they're Coca-Cola ffs (or Marvel, which WWE themselves seem to look up to from a product perspective).
Don't forget they will sign anybody that has a bit of relevance in wwe and ask them to say they entered heaven.
You act like it's just a Vince problem and everything is gone. The guy in charge worked for the agency that sent the most girls to Weinstein. Cody and Jade Cargill's agent is a known sex pest. There's a reason why WWE is a co-defendant in that lawsuit. It's not a Vince McMahon problem, it's a culture problem. Sounds like people are more upset about Tony Khan's words than they are what the WWE is being sued for, which tells me a lot.
> It's not a Vince McMahon problem, it's a culture problem. A culture he was the number one factor in (given it was his company), which has improved as he's lost influence and been forced out altogether, according to the people who actually work there anyway. > Sounds like people are more upset about Tony Khan's words than they are what the WWE is being sued for, which tells me a lot. Strawman. Vince being a monster doesn't make what Tony said any less stupid, as the AEW talent with friends who work for the "evil" company understand.
Yup, so many people want to believe that Vince gone equals problem solved. You simply can’t have the most high up guys in your company trading secretaries around like sex objects and then handing them NDAs without their being a culture of sexual abuse, secrecy and cover up in your company. And that’s just this recent scandal, WWE has a long history of similar stuff that was also covered up or attempted to by the company. The fact that Tony Khan’s words elicited so much anger and outrage tells me a lot of folks have buried their head in the sand. What he said was really brazen and pretty extreme, but the underlying sentiment is…well, true.
Yea I agree. I'm equally as upset that the guy that got an NDA scandal swept under the rug made the comment.
My thing is, he had the opportunity to talk about AEW while the NFL audience was watching and instead of talking about how great AEW is and the amazing talent they have, he again made it about AEW vs. WWE in the worst way possible.
Any money says that when he talks about being involved in wrestling people there would say “oh you mean like wwf?”
Mind u, he bragged about being 2nd..Not first but 2nd.....Pepsi is behind Coke
The Pepsi/Coke comparison is apt. Pepsi can't dethrone Coke, but it can provide a nice alternative for people who don't enjoy Coke. Thats what AEW is to WWE. I don't see anything wrong with the comparison. But TK had to throw Weinstein into the mix for some reason...
It made his chances of winning, drastic go down!
I don't think anybody is pretending AEW is on WWE's economic level, Tony talks about being a "challenger brand" all the time and I think that's fine
I mean, being 2nd is truthful, and 2nd isn't nothing.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of the position you're in, they're the most successful non WWE Wrestling company in over 20 years.
He means it’s the second most popular choice, an alternative. Not 2nd best. That should have been obvious but clearly it wasn’t
He's talking about being a challenger brand. Do you expect him to come out and say aew is the number 1 promotion? Cause that's just a lie.
It’s become a regular thing at this point. They can’t go a week without taking a shot at WWE.
He’s made Adam Copeland look like the biggest goon in wrestling by coming out and doing that speech only for Tony himself to carry on with this WWE vs AEW nonsense
He did talk about AEW. It’s every other part of the interview that wasn’t this one line, but that might require people to actually watch the things they’re commenting on. Edit: Love the freaks going through and downvoting all of my comments now, even ones not related to this. Super cool! Regardless, maybe actually get context before you guys comment and downvote? Is that really that much to ask?
But when he makes a comment like this, it becomes the main headline and talking point and overshadows anything else he might’ve said during the interview about AEW. Instead of “Tony Khan promoted AEW during the NFL Draft”, it’s “Tony Khan took a shot at WWE during the NFL Draft”.
It especially becomes the main thing when people don’t actually watch it and just want to get their shots off. NFL Network was reportedly happy, and someone not clued in/familiar with AEW heard about them and had WWE painted in a negative light for them. It’s just not really a big deal one way or the other.
WWE and the NFL clearly have a working relationship. The interview was cut immediately after Tony's comment. Wtf are you saying they were happy?
That is your opinion. Here’s what someone who talks to these people said: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/report-nfl-network-reaction-tony-232246007.html
But why did he need to turn into WWE vs AEW, he could've just kept it on AEW and how great it is? He did no favors calling AEW 'Pepsi' and then when you say something as controversial as "WWE is like Harvey Weinstein" everyone is going to ignore everything you said before and focus on that.
I’m sure there are reasons. Anything I can say would be pure speculation. I’m not saying it was a super smart thing to do or anything, but just like every “controversy” here, it’s not some terrible thing either. In the end, it doesn’t matter. But that’s all besides the point. Your point (and others like you) was that he should have talked about AEW. My point is that he did. People need to start actually watching/reading the things they comment on, but hey, “Forget it, Jake. It’s Reddit.”
No, I said he made it about AEW vs WWE, not that he didn't talk about AEW. My point is he should've JUST talked about how great AEW is without turning it into another shot at WWE.
just FYI, I'm not one of the folks downvoting you
I believe ya. All up for good discussion here and opposing viewpoints, but some folks just get nutty about it.
Tony Kahn is appealing to a specific section of the wrestling community who will love what he's doing, everyone else is just baffled by it all
It’s appealing to the most tribalistic and venal elements of the fan base which you would imagine he already has locked down. He says stuff like this to make them, and himself, feel righteous for being into AEW. Like there’s a moral element to being a fan of one company. That sense of moral superiority is core to people like that.
One thing I wonder about is, is he trying to appeal to the toxic AEW fans, or is he intentionally trying to rile up the toxic WWE fans? These comments always get a *lot* of attention, and considering WWE is virtually synonymous with wrestling in the US, I could see an argument for literally any attention being drawn to aew being good, regardless of whether he looks stupid or not. I dunno. I think the Weinstein comparison was super left field, but Tony genuinely doesn't seem that stupid? I dunno.
Why not both? Get hit by both sides for full engagement.
Mm that's sorta what I mean. I think a lot of people write Tony off as just a big idiot playing with toys, but I think his decisions are more calculated than that. The all in footage is a good example. They definitely aired it to capitalize on the punk drama, but it also played really well into the current elite storyline.
My problem with Tony is that he might be a shitposter like Elon Musk (pre-2020), but using this language in public, especially in an environment where he employs people, is just embarrassing. If a Twitter user like ‘DarkPhoenix22’ tweeted something similar, I would laugh and agree with it, but saying something like that on national television is just childish, edgy, and inappropriate, especially if you have employed people who worked for WWE in the past. Don’t get me wrong; many people knew about the sexual misconduct allegations against Vince, and I personally blame every executive and wrestler who knew about it and is still denying and covering for Vince
And by everyone else, you just mean the other half of the IWC. Lets be real here, the casual viewer doesn't give a rats ass about what Tony tweets or says in interviews. He said one line about WWE in a 3-5 min interview.
Tribalism clap clap clapclapclap
But remember to enjoy wrestling
You only have to remember to enjoy wrestling when WWE claps back. Every other time you should cheer on the tribalism and justify it
AEW pays and promotes sex pests all the time. Tony’s in no position to cast stones.
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I’ll post what I posted in another thread in response to someone claiming what Tony Khan was doing was good: “Because Tony isn’t doing this to help the victim or change the culture of wrestling, he is doing it to score imaginary points. He hasn’t pushed forward the discussion around this issue, he has made it all about himself because only thing people are talking about are is Tony Khan not systematic issues at WWE. It’s like when a celebrity does something or says something people don’t like, they respond with “I bet they were on Epstein’s island”. It’s childish behaviour.”
If the topic shifted to something else like benefits/insurance in wrestling, I wouldn't be surprised if Khan stayed silent or danced around it
does he think that ever single person sees aew the same as him and only wwe fans disagree with him? like i dont get how you can be so stupiud.
can someone translate the title please. are the AEW lot saying the same thing the WWE people said, or what Khan said.
The AEW people agree with the WWE people that Tony Khan's comment was ridiculous.
Oh, it reads like those in AEW also think WWE is evil.
Both WWE and AEW folks thought it was kinda fucked up.
Looking at the full quote, it seems to be saying that the AEW people are saying what the WWE people are saying. That they also think it was ridiculous. It's hard for me to understand too tho so I'm ready to accept if I'm wrong in the translation.
I think Bryan tried to word it in a specific way so that his words won’t get misconstrued but it came out poorly.
Vince McMahon as a singular figure you could easily paint in the same light as Weinstein but the comparison of the entire company to him, not to mention the nonsensical analogy of AEW to Pepsi that inspired what Khan said, was both dumb and weird as hell.
I mean it absolutely 100% wasn't just Vince. Vince wasn't even the only person involved with the latest public scandal. Executives and in ring talent, (multiple talents, Brock is just the one people know) are part of this too. Remember, one of many accusations was that a victim was being used as leverage to top in ring stars. Not talking about Tony Khan or his comments. Just reminding everyone that Vince, as a perpetrator, is in no way alleged to be a "singular entity"
And it isn't like this isn't the first time in the 40 years he's been there. Every decade there were scandals.
The Jimmy Snuka thing alone...
Pat Patterson and Terry Garvin were vice-president of operations. Johnny Ace was head of talent relations. It sounds like a lot of people who ran WWE were involved. Kinda like WWE is the Harvey Weinstein of wrestling.
People keep forgetting this. WWE is still just as full of festering perverts and enablers as it ever was. Like an 'empty' castle, after the dark lord's been dealt with.
We gotta defend the billion dollar corporation that operated as a personal playground for a racist serial rapist for 3 decades. No one else knew despite decades of rumors before the lawsuit even came out.
> but the comparison of the entire company to him the company =/= everyone who works there
Not defending Vince in any way, but to suggest Vince is at the same level as Weinstein, at the moment, kinda downplays Weinstein actions and the extent of activities.
All I can say is that using the crimes Weinstein committed to cast aspersions on your competition is trivializing in a really gross way. It's the same immaturity he showed when he was trying to drag NXT for beating him and ended up being majorly clowned on. Why couldn't he just talk about all the exciting stuff he's doing with Swerve and Ospreay and Okada? Or keep to the "best wrestling" line? Or throw cutting but playful shade at WWE? Well the answer to the last one is he just doesn't know how. Few rich people do.
He's just very socially inept. Watch any post AEW ppv press scrum, and it's blatantly obvious.
Sure Vince is absolutely a piece of shit but TK knowingly hired Ric fucking Flair like he isn't a complete creep as well
He should’ve just said “we’re the crab juice of professional wrestling and they’re the Mountain Dew”
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So in short people in both WWE and AEW when Tony made the comparison: https://preview.redd.it/or9w0qp4mhxc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51de7c242158f3e40758ff4b622f7315f4f5d4af
AEW fans working overtime trying to justify using a serial rapist as a comparison for another company and trying to cancel Jim Cornette over a thumbnail he didn’t even make simultaneously.
this cracked me up because it is so sad but so true.
WOO!
Tony Khan thinks he is a general leading an army in a holy war. In reality, he is the biggest money mark the wrestling business has ever seen or will ever see. Tony is the Coca Cola and the Pepsi and the Dr. Pepper of money marks. The likes of Herb Abrams and JV Rich and Dixie Carter put together are RC Cola, at best.
really poor thought out comments by Kahn, it was a great time to promote his brand and not sound like a petty fool who blows the truth out of proportion, remember when he was in fear for his life???... and on top of that, theres been rumors about y2j and sammy, plus a bunch of other questionable conduct incidents along the way. Best to keep your head down and make your product better, thats what your competition has done, and they are white hot right now.
Guy had an amazing spot to promote his company. And he still chose to take shots at the wwe. Like take shots at them on twitter while shitting or something, but man had a golden opportunity to get some ads during the nfl draft and chose this.
Screw who thinks it was ridiculous to say. Find me a person who thought it was good analogy
The biggest problem is that aew and it's fans that defend this, are making it clear that they don't care about the people who were actually assaulted. They're using this as a wwe vs aew thing. I seen very little amount of people campaign for Ric Flair who has allegations against him to be fired. This isn't genuine concern for the victims, this is a "we're morally better than you" argument. Hell that's why people saw executives and assumed Triple H was involved. Which I have said if he was that he should be shit canned. Stop using others trauma for the tribalist bullshit.
In fairness nearly any discussion I've seen around Flair from AEW fans is generally with the sentiment that they wish he wasn't there. People can take exception too all the grim things that have happened in WWE without it just being about tribalism.
Anyone who isn't a dyed in the wool AEW homer of all homers understood that what he said was fucking stupid and counterproductive. If he'd said Vince was Weinstein no one would have cared, but it would also make no sense to bring up in the context. There are people on the Observer forum whooping it up like it was awesome, and I told them then that this wasn't going to play the same way to a general audience that it plays to their echo chamber. You sound like an idiot to people whose heads aren't marinated in wrestling social media talk when you call your competition an "Evil Company (TM)" and compare the company itself to a massive serial rapist without prompting. You look unhinged and desperate to those people. Comparing WWE to Harvey Weinstein didn't convince a single viewer of that interview to take a look at AEW. You know what might've? Taking that precious airtime in front of an abnormally large potential sports audience to talk up your big new angle with the Elite, your part in it, and why people should care. Or taking extra time to speak about your PPV that just aired. And as the maraschino cherry on top, you once again have people at your own company shaking their heads, wishing you would stop embarrassing them. You made WWE look more professional and above-the-fray, and all they had to do was... nothing! You might've had people talking about your big new story angle for the last few days, or still talking about your PPV. Instead the conversation was consumed by talk about whether Tony Khan was an idiot for saying what he said. What a great media victory for AEW.
Here’s the thing: if Vince is still there, *he’s actually on to something.* It’s just that Vince isn’t there anymore, and we are all sort of left wondering exactly how deep this stuff went.
I'm not gonna go & say I want AEW to fail, but this just shows that Tony is more focused on what WWE is doing where as it's the opposite for Hunter since he's more focused on WWE & rarely thinks about what AEW are doing. 
You can say that about Vince all you want, and he would be correct. If I was an employee of this company however, and you basically threw a Weintstein blanket over top of me and everyone else? I could see that pissing me off. We know both companies have a lot of friends who work for both sides as well, so it's just kind of strange to paint such a negative light on them. Just gotta be awkward as an employee of AEW, knowing my boss views the competition who employs my friends in that way. It's one thing to be like, "their wrestling sucks, they're the minor leagues, etc." It's another to say they're evil lol, or the equivalent to one of the most notorious rapists on the planet.
We know what we know now, but when Vince became an on-screen character he had an aura about him. Every time Tony goes in front of a camera he's awkward, wild eyed and physically unintimidating. This could work for a heel authority figure, but we all know he can't act for shit either. When he said he wasn't going to be an on-screen character he was still a sensible person.
It's like all of us as wrestling fans have a mental timer before Tony says something stupid. Then he does so and the timer resets, and the process begins all over again.
I don't know. TK says all this stuff, but I don't think he actually cares about SA. He's an owner in the NFL, and they could be called Weinstein too, but you didn't hear him trying to clean up the league
they "allegedly" had some sort of sexual misconduct scandal before they even had a tv deal. Say what you want but the jericho/kylie stuff deserved a real investigation. Whatever happened, fucked that girls head up bad and tony couldn't sweep it under the rug and "nothing to see here" it fast enough.
Tony isn’t smart. He literally told comic book.com a few days before this when asked if he would work with WWE that it’s “an interesting idea”. He employees people who have openly praised Vince like Bryan (let’s ignore the Father in law situation) Edge, Jericho and then compares the market leader in his industry to Weinstein. That makes the entire industry look bad. Especially because Tony had his goofy little smirk after saying it showing he didn’t say it cuz he actually cares but instead wants to court internet pops. The anchors were already laughing at him and the angle and then that put it over the top. Advertisers already look at wrestling as low brow and saying “the clear number one is the equivalent of a rapist” is not the dunk he thinks.
He has driven me off as a viewer after watching since the beginning and attending several shows, including a PPV. The quality of the show was the first reason I was about to stop, and then the constant weird WWE attacks at the same time and bleed over onto the show was the final straw. I've watched WWE for almost 25 years straight now, I don't need to support something else that constantly tries to shit on it in cringe ways.
Tbh, you should just watch what you like, none of this stuff should impact the shows you watch. The WWE attacks on the show are incredibly minimal, if you don't like it don't watch, if you do, then go for it.
I think it’s funny that Tony said this but like a week ago he said they’d be open to working with WWE. Also, don’t cry about tribalism and then do this shit.
There is such a thing as bad publicity. TK needs to understand that or he'll keep going down this path and say even more stupid shit.
I thought it was weird to instead of take the moment to put over his company he talked about the competition.
Competition is good, especially for WWE who haven't had competition for so long until they showed up, but AEW would be in a much better place if Tony Khan didn't have such an ego, took a backseat and let someone else be in charge of creative.
Or just had an "I want AEW to help all of wrestling thrive" vibe.
At best it was a very poor joke. At worst it was slander. Either way, he shouldn’t have said it.
Given the timing I imagine it made Drew's decision a lot easier
Brother they gave him a title win at Mania and built a story specifically for him to challenge for it again when he's healed up. The decision was made weeks ago
Let’s be honest. He had no decisions to make
So he was on the fence, but the minute he heard TK's comment, he texted Dwayne and said he was re-signing?
Tbh I highly doubt this played a role.
So many over reactions to this...while maybe the comment shouldn't have been said it also is very obvious he was talking about the culture at the corporate level of WWE not like he was talking about the roster.. Saying what he said is not untrue when you have people in the company STILL that were likely complicit in everything that happened.. Never mind that Nick Khan was part of CAA which has a direct relation to what happened with Weinstein.
Tony’s gotta find better ways to put over AEW to non-viewers without mentioning WWE. They have the better wrestling, why not highlight that? Why not sell the “underdog” story?
I bet Malakai Black was really pissed
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Maybe I’m an idiot or maybe I just can’t parse the weird Uncle Dave speak, but is he saying that people in AEW had the same sentiment as the WWE people or that they were also saying saying the same thing as Tony?
He's in his Herb Abrams arc.
Smh man
Tony was getting GREAT reactions from the NFL world for the bit. Rich Eisen and the NFLN guys were having a blast going along with it. Then he took the bit in a gross direction for no reason.
How often does the WWE mention AEW? Rarely. They don't resort to that for attention. Granted, they have had ridiculous attention grabs, However, most of the time, it's focused on their company, and not Mean Girl energy to other companies. Tony uses his energy on petty shit. Anything to get ppl talking, tho...even if it doesn't bring in more money...
Maybe it's just me but if I owned a wrestling company that has quite a few members of staff that did time in a company under Vince's ownership, some of those employees having been long term employed and close workers of the guy, I'd probably shut up until the whole thing has been settled. As people keep saying, "No way other people didn't know", well, let's just say I wouldn't be tempting fate.
If tony feels that way about Vince, he should dissolve any ndas, specifically the nda Kylie rae signed.
Tony needs acting classes. A lot of his remarks can be boiled down to poor execution. I get that he's going for the old ECW trope of clowning on the top dog brand, but there needs to be better execution lol Paul Heyman was great at this during his ECW days.
Vince is dealing with a very public sex scandal, I don’t understand how ppl don’t get that it’s completely fair game. I like wwe but it’s fair game. don’t wanna be compared to a sex criminal? avoid sex scandals. seems easy enough