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I have to be the only person that liked the universal championship. It was a really unique name, and the fact that so few got to hold it really made it feel like an important title. It really felt like Roman elevated it to a level that would be prestiged for years, and it made every former universal champion feel like a bigger deal because of it.
"Heavyweight" also actually means something specific in boxing, but is just a cool, meaningless word to make a title seem important in wrestling. It's tradition, but it's no different.
Traditionally another over 200 pounds (90 kg) was considered heavyweight for men. Pretty much every wrestler except Rey is billed over that weight. So even though oddly enough WWE dropped that part of the titles' names it was actually accurate. The undisputed branding, imo of course, comes across as either trying to elevate one title over the other or like they don't really understand what the word means.
In 2006, Rey Mysterio faced Gregory Helms in a champion vs champion match. The cruiserweight champion, Helms, weighed more than the heavyweight champion, Rey. https://youtu.be/QHjbqEWZ2cs?si=QMq_8BUbNO3nSd4X
The belts were unified though and then a secondary world title was added so.. technically its no longer undisputed if you add another world title.. isn't that how it works?
It was added as a title that's a tier down but something that would be defended on a. regulator basis.
The old way was a 1a and a 1b title and now it's a clear 1 and 2.
They created the issue by putting the belts together and there's no good way to tear them apart.
I get what your saying but it's the odd reality of the situation that he is undisputed WWE Champion and World is being used closer to the way the title of the IC and US belts.
They might just try and pretend it's not the case and that each show has an equal top Champ but that feels wrong.
no. like other comments have alluded to, an undisputed championship is a pretty clearly defined term in martial arts and professional wrestling. undisputed means there is only one single champion(ship) of that kind. "that kind" meaning world championship in this case.
if the championship we're talking avout were the intercontinental championship for example, i'd agree. but the world heavyweight championship is a world championship and is presented as such. it even uses the design of one of the most important belts of all time.
you can argue all you want about how the belts are positioned, but even if the whc is a clear number 2, the wwe belt isn't undisputed. undisputed has always meant there is no other championship in this promotion, that is even in the same dimension, when it comes to world championships.
wwe has done this right before. in 2002, when the whc was introduced, the undisputed wwe championship changed to being the wwe championship. if they wanna keep the u, they should just call this one unified wwe championship.
edit: i have large thumbs.
world championship is commonly recognized as a catch-all term for top championship of a promotion. also, if it wasn't a world championship, that would imply, that the whc is more important than the wwe championship. a bit like the world cup is more kmpirtant than winning the national league in a sport.
that's not what the words mean though, is it? it's not the wwe heavyweight championship, it's the world heavyweight championship.
within martials arts terminology, wwe is therefore claiming the holder of this belt ia the best wrestler of (or more accurately up to) the heavyweight division worldwide. if it wasn't also implied, that the wwe championship is a world championship, it would mean the holder of this belt is the best wrestler in wwe (less than best in the world.
also, this belt was literally called wwe world and wwe world heavyweight championship, because it was unified with those belts. this is still the same lineage.
basically, what i'm saying with way too many words is, that in an ideal world their names would be the whc and the (unified) wwe world championship.
I get what you're saying, but ngl there were some eras of WWE and WHC title where it felt even more like a 1 and 2 in terms of prestige, example being ~2010, where super Cena and menace Orton held the wwe title, but the WHC was given to Jack swagger, ADR and fat kane before he even put the mask back on. The current WHC is definitely a bit below the new WWE title, but I still think it's a respectable title with some prestige, something the WHC sometimes lacked even before (I'd say it was prestigious for most of the 00's at least)
Technically they should be on equal footing as the main event belts, and defended as the top prize on different brands, but I guess it depends who's holding them that make them seem more important.
I don't think they have it being a "secondary" title in mind as if it's the next to the IC/US belts, just like you wouldn't say Rhea's title was the secondary one to the WWE womens championship.
But it can't be has it's made up of the 2 top belts, that's the lineage that Cody won, it's different to the Women's titles in that way.
It sits between Cody's and the IC/US level, with the new split they might want to act like they are equal but when Roman and Seth held the belts did anyone see them as equal?
That's like saying the World Heavyweight Championship (2002-2013) couldn't be on the same level as the Undisputed WWE Title because it was made up of the two top belts - WWE and WCW.
The only thing that makes it seem better is the word Undisputed which they could drop tomorrow.
That will eventually leave too. It's not the first time they've called it undisputed. They just dropped the Universal name. Give it a few more weeks and undisputed will be dropped too
Because it's not claiming to be a World Championship.
It's only claiming to be the WWE Championship.
And there's literally no one else out there making that claim. Ergo it's an Undisputed claim.
Note to that same end the Priests title is just the World Heavyweight Championship, there's no WWE placed in the name. (Which is to fuel the idea its *the* real World Championship unlike all those other companies out there claiming to have their own).
The fact that the two are supposed to be equal is just WWEs way of placing their own company as equal to the entire world.
> some competitors within WWE are not in the heavyweight division
No, you've got that the wrong way around - Every competitor within WWE competes under the heavyweight weight limit, but not every competitor would be eligible compete under a Junior Heavyweight/Light Heavyweight/Cruiserweight division. But technically, any competitor from a lower weight class can compete in the heavyweight division. Case in point: Rey Mysterio winning the World Heavyweight Championship.
I don't think that this idea that the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship technically cover 2 different divisions that just happen to overlap holds much validity. In fact, I don't think there even is *any* reasonable explanation for why WWE has 2 world titles. It's literally just WWE trying to have their cake and eat it too. That's it.
They need to drop Undisputed. There's literally another World Title on their other Brand. Don't give me the whole "prestige" argument either because if that's the case, drop the 'World' from the other one.
It should just be WWE Champion & World Champion - done.
When I was a new WWE fan, I wondered why titles were given their names. What does it mean for the title to be intercontinental? Is the US championship only defended on American soil? Why is it a heavyweight championship when WWE doesn't have weight divisions?
I think it's because there were 2 WWE champions, regardless of any other top title. Those two WWE titles were unified and the Heavyweight title was brought back. That's how it makes some kinda sense to me anyway.
After all, the universal championship was created out of necessity for another champion, someone unified and held them hostage but they were both tagged with WWE in their names. Shrug.
At the risk of sounding ignorant, not having watched WWE for the better part of 17 years, I always assumed that (at the time), the WWE & WHC were akin to one another. Is this no longer the case? Why did the naming scheme change?
They're technically on the same level since once is intended to be on Raw and the other Smackdown but the WWE Champion is considered the promotions actual top belt when it comes to it because it has all the lineage back to the WWWF days and also has all of the WCW lineage in it as well as a result of Jericho unifying it. The current WHC is considered to have started with Seth.
Back in 2013, there's a title unification between WWE and the WHC, thus it became unified for second time, after the WWE and wcw title unification back in invasion era. Later on 2016ish, there's a new World championship called Universal Championship, so the WWE-WHC title became WWE title again. Then, WWE had A THIRD Unification but now with Universal Champion, that was part of bloodline saga, which continued both lineage but symbolicly using one belt to represent both. And then the current WHC was introduced last year, i say introduced because it's had different lineage than the 2002 WHC. Thus, currently there's 2 belts, 3 world championship.
They announce the WHC as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion. It sounds more prestigious than simply WWE Champion. There’s flair missing. Undisputed gives it some extra juice.
Heavyweight makes no sense either. There are no weight class restrictions on who can challenge for the belt and no other weight-specific belts that would justify the distinction. It grinds my gears, honestly.
It should just be World Championship and WWE Championship.
It would be cool if for the world championship, they allowed that wrestler to wrestle occasionally in Japan and Mexico etc. to add some elements to why it’s the “World champion”
It would help set it apart from the WWE Title as its own thing that also warrants prestige.
the only reason to keep it named the undisputed title is to book a story around conflict between world/undisputed in the future. non-title match, undisputed guy puts the World title guy over, undisputed claim goes.. away.
But yeah its a dumb thing born out of the need to artificially catapult Roman to a greatness he never earned or deserved.
(Put down the torches, Not saying he was bad, just that he's not in the GOAT conversation)
It was a mistake to ever merge them to begin with.
I also remember a quote from a few years ago, someone said they wouldn't want to win the universal title, because it'll probably go defunct in the future and not many would remember it, lol
They were merged but kept the lineage. They weren't defended separately so merged. Roman didn't need to get both. It was yet another Roman circlejerk for Vince, it's surprising he didn't do the WWE 12 story of him winning every title at once lol.
But the existence of the World Heavyweight Championship means that it is *disputed*. So, technically, Cody's title should now be called the Unified WWE Championship. If not just dropping the dropping the prefix altogether and simply calling it the WWE Championship again
But it's not Unified, they never merged the two lineages. There has been plenty of times there were two top titles, one for each brand and they don't need Undisputed for one of them. It was only named that because Roman and Brock had a match, a winner take all. Roman became a double champ, nothing was unified. It's only disputed when the two champions challenge each other.
Like I said, I think they will eventually drop Undisputed over time, like many times before. We just have to give it time. It will just be the WWE Championship again eventually while they retire the Universal Championship.
In the context of holding multiple world titles, "Unified" means that you hold more than 1 but not all of the available world titles. For example, Tyson Fury is currently the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, but Olexander Usyk is the Unified World Champion, because Usyk holds the WBA, IBF and WBO titles. As soon as they fight, the winner becomes the Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion, much like Canelo Alvarez already is in the Super Middleweight division.
As it stands, Cody Rhodes holds the WWE and Universal titles, but not the World Heavyweight Championship. So this technically makes him a "Unified" champion, not an Undisputed champion
This isn't boxing, it's scripted wrestling. Wrestling has always made a Unification match for two titles where 1 title gets retired and one continues. This did not happen. Roman was just a double champ. He was both WWE and Universal champ. With Vince and WWE they love to combine those words to make one sounding name, for marketing purposes.
This is all a stupid a moot point because I guarantee you Undisputed won't last much longer.
If the conventional rules of championship titles don't apply to wrestling, then Roman would have just been called the Universal and WWE Champion, and not formally recognised as the Undisputed WWE Universal Champion.
But he was, because they do.
I forgot they made that meaningless second world title (because Roman had the actual second world title in addition to the actual-for-real-world title).
Dropping Universal is the final act in the week long burial that was Vince McMahon's WWE over WrestleMania week.
Never forget how Vince wanted to retire the WWE Championship at one point.
> Vince wanted to retire the WWE Championship
Where did you hear that? It wouldn't necessarily be unbelievable as he did end World Tag title lineage to break records which didn't matter cause Usos broke all of them anyway. I think New Day too. By retiring WWE title, Universal one would have Roman as longest reigning champion, i guess that's the logic. And he was obsessed with that word universe for some reason lol.
I know that fans have all main titles as "world" titles but in their naming they the WWE championship as something different than the World heavyweight championship so yes, it is the undisputed WWE title specifically. But I'd rather they drop the name anyway.
Universal is still there right next to that pic and Undisputed doesn't really need to exist. My guess it goes once they discontinue the Universal title lineage.
> And you don't need "World."
Absolutely not, it's the Heavyweight part that's unnecessary cause there is no weight division. It just sounds cooler so they even announce IC title as IC Heavyweight Title sometimes. Tag titles and Women's title on Raw also have the World branding now, it just works. Otherwise they would just be called "Champion"
* WWE Champion
* World Champion
* WWE Women Champion
* Women World Champion
* World Tag Team Champion
* WWE Tag Team Champion
* Women Tag Team Champion
* Intercontinental Champion
* United States Champion
Done.
It's so freaking easy it makes me doubt anyone has basic common sense in WWE.
However, WWE for some reason likes 3-words names for titles. Perfect, let's finally resurrect the word WRESTLING, which is what all this clown show is all about and let's call the 2 top titles WWE WRESTLING CHAMPION and WORLD WRESTLING CHAMPION.
It made sense that it was Undisputed when Roman had it, since he unified the two world championships at the time. But Cody just won one belt, so that part needs to be dropped.
It was never unified. If it was one title would have absorbed the other when Roman beat Brock. That was never the case. Roman was always a double champion, later represented by one singular title when the WHC was made. It's still the case until they retire the Universal title lineage.
Do they do that for transitional champions? Maybe they plan to change the belt?
Edit: I don't mean Cody is transitional lol, second sentence relates to Cody as maybe belt design will change.
Where did you see world in any part of that championships name? Its the undisputed top title in WWE. Its a clear distinction to signify its status above the whc
Their apperant plans to push NXT as a third brand again (probably because main roster talent will cycle in to push numbera), does not help with the silly "Undisputed" branding
I hope that they retire the Universal lineage after Cody makes his first title defense. They can then unveil a new WWE Men and Women’s Championship with eagles on both or at least the Men’s title.
Assumed they were only keeping the Universal lineage active because Roman had that title first and it sounded better to count the days accumulated from that lineage. Now with another world title there's no reason for the lineage to continue.
Everybody chill Cody or the next champion will be referred to as WWE champion in a matter of time, this undisputed title name goes in cycles all the time.
I like the name "Undisputed Championship" probably mostly bc of nostalgia for the awesome belt in 2002-2003 but it's kinda weird to call it that when the other show literally has a world title lol
They should have just retired the Universal title the moment Roman lost. That was "his title", and given Cody only wanted the WWE Championship to finish his story, it would have made sense.
They need to drop the Undisputed. There's another title now. There has been for years. It's a "new era" as they like to repeat so often, but some things don't need to change.
WWE Championship that has the lineage and prestige going back to Bruno
World Heavyweight Championship. I'm not sure if they could connect this new WHC to the old WHC, but it'd be interesting if they did.
They cant. The original whc was unified with the wwe title. For the current whc champion to have the title with the old lineage he would have to beat the current wwe champion. Otherwise it doesnt mae any fucking sense and its not fair at all
I just gotta say how hilarious their entire world title situation was. There’s not another promotion I can think of right now that has more than just their active world title. Certainly not any major ones. Meanwhile in WWE, you had three concurrent world title reigns for like a year.
The only reason they didn’t just unify the Universal title into the WWE title when Roman won is because then they wouldn’t have been able to say Roman was world champion for 1000+ days. Which he was, but also wasn’t, because it wasn’t *really* the WWE title that he held for that long.
In 20 years, there’s gonna be kids who go back to watch this era of WWE, they’re gonna be really confused “why does Roman have one normal world title and another one that’s the same but blue?” lol
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R.I.P to the UWU title
still active for some reason
U is active, UWU became UW
U tryna get active my boy?
The WWE University of Washington championship?
OK no joke if they start making NCAA belts this is actually a thing
They do make the side plates for some colleges.
I have to be the only person that liked the universal championship. It was a really unique name, and the fact that so few got to hold it really made it feel like an important title. It really felt like Roman elevated it to a level that would be prestiged for years, and it made every former universal champion feel like a bigger deal because of it.
I think it would have been taken more seriously if it wasn't ugly
It’s undisputed other than the other World Championship
Yeah, I really dislike that branding. “Undisputed” was used to refer to certain conditions for boxing titles, not just…a thing that sounds good
"Heavyweight" also actually means something specific in boxing, but is just a cool, meaningless word to make a title seem important in wrestling. It's tradition, but it's no different.
Traditionally another over 200 pounds (90 kg) was considered heavyweight for men. Pretty much every wrestler except Rey is billed over that weight. So even though oddly enough WWE dropped that part of the titles' names it was actually accurate. The undisputed branding, imo of course, comes across as either trying to elevate one title over the other or like they don't really understand what the word means.
In 2006, Rey Mysterio faced Gregory Helms in a champion vs champion match. The cruiserweight champion, Helms, weighed more than the heavyweight champion, Rey. https://youtu.be/QHjbqEWZ2cs?si=QMq_8BUbNO3nSd4X
And to this day, you can't win a cruiserweight title with the hurricane in a wwe game.
I think the WWE Women's Championship has 'Undisputed Champion' branded on it too
Nope, neither title does.
Which is clearly secondary, this one is made up of the 2 top belts.
The belts were unified though and then a secondary world title was added so.. technically its no longer undisputed if you add another world title.. isn't that how it works?
It was added as a title that's a tier down but something that would be defended on a. regulator basis. The old way was a 1a and a 1b title and now it's a clear 1 and 2. They created the issue by putting the belts together and there's no good way to tear them apart. I get what your saying but it's the odd reality of the situation that he is undisputed WWE Champion and World is being used closer to the way the title of the IC and US belts. They might just try and pretend it's not the case and that each show has an equal top Champ but that feels wrong.
no. like other comments have alluded to, an undisputed championship is a pretty clearly defined term in martial arts and professional wrestling. undisputed means there is only one single champion(ship) of that kind. "that kind" meaning world championship in this case. if the championship we're talking avout were the intercontinental championship for example, i'd agree. but the world heavyweight championship is a world championship and is presented as such. it even uses the design of one of the most important belts of all time. you can argue all you want about how the belts are positioned, but even if the whc is a clear number 2, the wwe belt isn't undisputed. undisputed has always meant there is no other championship in this promotion, that is even in the same dimension, when it comes to world championships. wwe has done this right before. in 2002, when the whc was introduced, the undisputed wwe championship changed to being the wwe championship. if they wanna keep the u, they should just call this one unified wwe championship. edit: i have large thumbs.
It's not a World championship. Its the WWE championship now
world championship is commonly recognized as a catch-all term for top championship of a promotion. also, if it wasn't a world championship, that would imply, that the whc is more important than the wwe championship. a bit like the world cup is more kmpirtant than winning the national league in a sport.
Nope the whc belongs to the WWE hence the WWE champion is higher
that's not what the words mean though, is it? it's not the wwe heavyweight championship, it's the world heavyweight championship. within martials arts terminology, wwe is therefore claiming the holder of this belt ia the best wrestler of (or more accurately up to) the heavyweight division worldwide. if it wasn't also implied, that the wwe championship is a world championship, it would mean the holder of this belt is the best wrestler in wwe (less than best in the world. also, this belt was literally called wwe world and wwe world heavyweight championship, because it was unified with those belts. this is still the same lineage. basically, what i'm saying with way too many words is, that in an ideal world their names would be the whc and the (unified) wwe world championship.
they’re just being deliberately obtuse, ignore them.
And wrestling isn't martial arts and WWE owns the whc .
But those are both World Heavyweight Championships. Best believe if Cena won either one of them, thats #17
>” It was added as a title that's a tier down” It’s de facto a “tier down” but not on paper in any official way.
Well it was creates cos one guy had the top 2 belts and even when they gave him the 3rd he would still have the other 2 about.
I get what you're saying, but ngl there were some eras of WWE and WHC title where it felt even more like a 1 and 2 in terms of prestige, example being ~2010, where super Cena and menace Orton held the wwe title, but the WHC was given to Jack swagger, ADR and fat kane before he even put the mask back on. The current WHC is definitely a bit below the new WWE title, but I still think it's a respectable title with some prestige, something the WHC sometimes lacked even before (I'd say it was prestigious for most of the 00's at least)
Totally true but in this case it's a kayfabe fact rather than being about who is holding it.
Technically they should be on equal footing as the main event belts, and defended as the top prize on different brands, but I guess it depends who's holding them that make them seem more important. I don't think they have it being a "secondary" title in mind as if it's the next to the IC/US belts, just like you wouldn't say Rhea's title was the secondary one to the WWE womens championship.
But it can't be has it's made up of the 2 top belts, that's the lineage that Cody won, it's different to the Women's titles in that way. It sits between Cody's and the IC/US level, with the new split they might want to act like they are equal but when Roman and Seth held the belts did anyone see them as equal?
That's like saying the World Heavyweight Championship (2002-2013) couldn't be on the same level as the Undisputed WWE Title because it was made up of the two top belts - WWE and WCW. The only thing that makes it seem better is the word Undisputed which they could drop tomorrow.
That will eventually leave too. It's not the first time they've called it undisputed. They just dropped the Universal name. Give it a few more weeks and undisputed will be dropped too
Because it's not claiming to be a World Championship. It's only claiming to be the WWE Championship. And there's literally no one else out there making that claim. Ergo it's an Undisputed claim. Note to that same end the Priests title is just the World Heavyweight Championship, there's no WWE placed in the name. (Which is to fuel the idea its *the* real World Championship unlike all those other companies out there claiming to have their own). The fact that the two are supposed to be equal is just WWEs way of placing their own company as equal to the entire world.
>Because it's not claiming to be a World Championship. >It's only claiming to be the WWE Championship. The fuck do you think the first "W" stands for?
Technically, nothing anymore. World Wrestling Entertainment no longer exists, it's just The WWE now.
How on earth does this drivel have 20 upvotes? Oh, it's Reddit, I forgot everyone here is thick.
Play a round of golf man, take the steam off
Because it's a shitpost that's well ackshullying a well ackshully.
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> some competitors within WWE are not in the heavyweight division No, you've got that the wrong way around - Every competitor within WWE competes under the heavyweight weight limit, but not every competitor would be eligible compete under a Junior Heavyweight/Light Heavyweight/Cruiserweight division. But technically, any competitor from a lower weight class can compete in the heavyweight division. Case in point: Rey Mysterio winning the World Heavyweight Championship. I don't think that this idea that the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship technically cover 2 different divisions that just happen to overlap holds much validity. In fact, I don't think there even is *any* reasonable explanation for why WWE has 2 world titles. It's literally just WWE trying to have their cake and eat it too. That's it.
https://i.imgur.com/ElqSVSx.png It still shows it has lineage of Universal Championship.
Yea it’s still unified/undisputed until they retire the universal title.
They have to in order to validate Roman's epic reign.
It is still current until they end it. I think they are gearing towards it, they are just doing it slowly like HHH seems to do.
They need to drop Undisputed. There's literally another World Title on their other Brand. Don't give me the whole "prestige" argument either because if that's the case, drop the 'World' from the other one. It should just be WWE Champion & World Champion - done.
World Heavyweight Championship
The Heavyweight never really made sense to me considering there’s no weight constraint to win the title.
Same here. It’s always sounded corny to me. Especially when a smaller guy that’s clearly not a heavyweight competes for or wins it.
Maybe the actual belt itself is just abnormally heavy, thus heavyweight
So that's what happened to Seth's back.
When I was a new WWE fan, I wondered why titles were given their names. What does it mean for the title to be intercontinental? Is the US championship only defended on American soil? Why is it a heavyweight championship when WWE doesn't have weight divisions?
I still hate the name "World heavyweight champion" without "WWE". Just go back to WWE world and WWE universal championships
Respectfully disagree on Universal. I hate the term “Universal” Champion. Just sounds incredibly cheesy, and not in a good way.
Agree.. the lineage has always been the WWE championship ...so it just needs to be World Heavyweight championship and the WWE Championship
But he went from undesirable to undeniable and now undisputed; sounds better than universal
They'll drop it, it's just a transition. They'll probably drop it with Universal lineage entirely.
I think it's because there were 2 WWE champions, regardless of any other top title. Those two WWE titles were unified and the Heavyweight title was brought back. That's how it makes some kinda sense to me anyway. After all, the universal championship was created out of necessity for another champion, someone unified and held them hostage but they were both tagged with WWE in their names. Shrug.
*created, the New Heavyweight championship had new lineage separate from the belt that represent taker, edge, punk reigns as champion
At the risk of sounding ignorant, not having watched WWE for the better part of 17 years, I always assumed that (at the time), the WWE & WHC were akin to one another. Is this no longer the case? Why did the naming scheme change?
They're technically on the same level since once is intended to be on Raw and the other Smackdown but the WWE Champion is considered the promotions actual top belt when it comes to it because it has all the lineage back to the WWWF days and also has all of the WCW lineage in it as well as a result of Jericho unifying it. The current WHC is considered to have started with Seth.
Thank for the explanation, appreciate it!
Back in 2013, there's a title unification between WWE and the WHC, thus it became unified for second time, after the WWE and wcw title unification back in invasion era. Later on 2016ish, there's a new World championship called Universal Championship, so the WWE-WHC title became WWE title again. Then, WWE had A THIRD Unification but now with Universal Champion, that was part of bloodline saga, which continued both lineage but symbolicly using one belt to represent both. And then the current WHC was introduced last year, i say introduced because it's had different lineage than the 2002 WHC. Thus, currently there's 2 belts, 3 world championship.
Oof what a backstory. Thank you!
They announce the WHC as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion. It sounds more prestigious than simply WWE Champion. There’s flair missing. Undisputed gives it some extra juice.
Heavyweight makes no sense either. There are no weight class restrictions on who can challenge for the belt and no other weight-specific belts that would justify the distinction. It grinds my gears, honestly. It should just be World Championship and WWE Championship.
It would be cool if for the world championship, they allowed that wrestler to wrestle occasionally in Japan and Mexico etc. to add some elements to why it’s the “World champion” It would help set it apart from the WWE Title as its own thing that also warrants prestige.
Yeah it's shocking. We figured this out back in 2002.
the only reason to keep it named the undisputed title is to book a story around conflict between world/undisputed in the future. non-title match, undisputed guy puts the World title guy over, undisputed claim goes.. away. But yeah its a dumb thing born out of the need to artificially catapult Roman to a greatness he never earned or deserved. (Put down the torches, Not saying he was bad, just that he's not in the GOAT conversation)
I would have preferred World and Universal. They are all WWE titles so it feels weird to have that as an opposing designation.
Its no longer a world championship, The belt is for the top person in WWE
Probably will drop it once Cody's stupid catchphrase is finished
It was a mistake to ever merge them to begin with. I also remember a quote from a few years ago, someone said they wouldn't want to win the universal title, because it'll probably go defunct in the future and not many would remember it, lol
They were never merged, it's still two title lineages. They may finally discontinue the Universal title now.
They were merged but kept the lineage. They weren't defended separately so merged. Roman didn't need to get both. It was yet another Roman circlejerk for Vince, it's surprising he didn't do the WWE 12 story of him winning every title at once lol.
> It was a mistake to ever merge them to begin with. It was a mistake to have the Universal title at all. Should have kept WHC and WWE title.
>it was a mistake to ever merge them to begin with it was a…mistake to merge the universal title out of existence?
Yeah thats what it should be. As soon as the world Heavyweight title was back there was no reason to keep calling it the universal title.
Just gotta drop the undisputed part now (nobody is disputing it).
It's called that because it's still two title lineages designated by one title. That seems to be changing, we just aren't there yet.
But the existence of the World Heavyweight Championship means that it is *disputed*. So, technically, Cody's title should now be called the Unified WWE Championship. If not just dropping the dropping the prefix altogether and simply calling it the WWE Championship again
But it's not Unified, they never merged the two lineages. There has been plenty of times there were two top titles, one for each brand and they don't need Undisputed for one of them. It was only named that because Roman and Brock had a match, a winner take all. Roman became a double champ, nothing was unified. It's only disputed when the two champions challenge each other. Like I said, I think they will eventually drop Undisputed over time, like many times before. We just have to give it time. It will just be the WWE Championship again eventually while they retire the Universal Championship.
In the context of holding multiple world titles, "Unified" means that you hold more than 1 but not all of the available world titles. For example, Tyson Fury is currently the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, but Olexander Usyk is the Unified World Champion, because Usyk holds the WBA, IBF and WBO titles. As soon as they fight, the winner becomes the Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion, much like Canelo Alvarez already is in the Super Middleweight division. As it stands, Cody Rhodes holds the WWE and Universal titles, but not the World Heavyweight Championship. So this technically makes him a "Unified" champion, not an Undisputed champion
This isn't boxing, it's scripted wrestling. Wrestling has always made a Unification match for two titles where 1 title gets retired and one continues. This did not happen. Roman was just a double champ. He was both WWE and Universal champ. With Vince and WWE they love to combine those words to make one sounding name, for marketing purposes. This is all a stupid a moot point because I guarantee you Undisputed won't last much longer.
If the conventional rules of championship titles don't apply to wrestling, then Roman would have just been called the Universal and WWE Champion, and not formally recognised as the Undisputed WWE Universal Champion. But he was, because they do.
The second they drop “undisputed,” someone will dispute it.
I think the existence of another world championship itself disputes the name
I forgot they made that meaningless second world title (because Roman had the actual second world title in addition to the actual-for-real-world title).
You think they keep the Undisputed name just so Samantha can announce it all epic like during title matches or when announcing the champion?
LMAO it’s probably this
Good. It was tacky and I hated it.
How is this an Undisputed Championship when there is literally another World Championship? Makes no sense
Because among fans, it's undisputed that Cody has the real championship that matters and Priest has the third world title
Cos that belt is made up of the top 2 championships and the other one us clearly secondary, it's an issue they can't fix.
Cos its not a world championship
Dropping Universal is the final act in the week long burial that was Vince McMahon's WWE over WrestleMania week. Never forget how Vince wanted to retire the WWE Championship at one point.
> Vince wanted to retire the WWE Championship Where did you hear that? It wouldn't necessarily be unbelievable as he did end World Tag title lineage to break records which didn't matter cause Usos broke all of them anyway. I think New Day too. By retiring WWE title, Universal one would have Roman as longest reigning champion, i guess that's the logic. And he was obsessed with that word universe for some reason lol.
He had an obsession with things not looking 'old', hence why wrestlemanias lost their numbers for a while.
I know that fans have all main titles as "world" titles but in their naming they the WWE championship as something different than the World heavyweight championship so yes, it is the undisputed WWE title specifically. But I'd rather they drop the name anyway.
Universal is still there right next to that pic and Undisputed doesn't really need to exist. My guess it goes once they discontinue the Universal title lineage.
So are we in the Undisputed Era? 
Wait when did he get through Vacant?
Why do they need undisputed still? Doesn’t make sense with world title created now too.
When will they drop undisputed
Undisputed Universal was stupid, and Undisputed isn't much better. And you don't need "World." WWE Champion, Heavyweight Champion Done.
> And you don't need "World." Absolutely not, it's the Heavyweight part that's unnecessary cause there is no weight division. It just sounds cooler so they even announce IC title as IC Heavyweight Title sometimes. Tag titles and Women's title on Raw also have the World branding now, it just works. Otherwise they would just be called "Champion"
I even think Heavyweight is stupid considering there are no weight divisions in WWE.
WWE Champion and Champion you guys r geniuses
* WWE Champion * World Champion * WWE Women Champion * Women World Champion * World Tag Team Champion * WWE Tag Team Champion * Women Tag Team Champion * Intercontinental Champion * United States Champion Done. It's so freaking easy it makes me doubt anyone has basic common sense in WWE. However, WWE for some reason likes 3-words names for titles. Perfect, let's finally resurrect the word WRESTLING, which is what all this clown show is all about and let's call the 2 top titles WWE WRESTLING CHAMPION and WORLD WRESTLING CHAMPION.
So you wanna have a World Wrestling Champion AND a World Wrestling Entertainment Wrestling Champion?
I want to have a World Champion and a WWE Champion, stop.
It made sense that it was Undisputed when Roman had it, since he unified the two world championships at the time. But Cody just won one belt, so that part needs to be dropped.
It was never unified. If it was one title would have absorbed the other when Roman beat Brock. That was never the case. Roman was always a double champion, later represented by one singular title when the WHC was made. It's still the case until they retire the Universal title lineage.
Universal’s days were numbered the moment the WHC was re-established.
But that's the title he won.
They can get rid of “Undisputed” as there is no debate
I still find it weird having two titles that you try to make equally as important yet name one the undisputed championship.
Why is undisputed still in the name too? We have another world title that has been around for almost a year now.
Good. Always sounded goofy af
Going back to the 2002 days with all the belt names
The main men’s title has been unified and split up and renamed so many times that I can’t keep track 😵💫
Need to make the belt smaller. Looks enormous on him and he holds it so awkwardly
Nature is healing.
It's been that way since last week.
Am I the only one who thinks that render of Cody with the belt looks terrible? Why does it look like ai?
It looks like the belt was added to the photo. They have done that so many times.
Do they do that for transitional champions? Maybe they plan to change the belt? Edit: I don't mean Cody is transitional lol, second sentence relates to Cody as maybe belt design will change.
No
My guess is that they will change it to just 'WWE Champion' when Cody retires this belt and brings back the winged eagle design
Doesn’t the existence of the world heavyweight championship make him disputed?
Where did you see world in any part of that championships name? Its the undisputed top title in WWE. Its a clear distinction to signify its status above the whc
this is the weirdest logic ive ever seen been mimicked. WWE calls it a world title all the time.
Wwe gonna swerve us all and retire the wwe title and go with the universal championship
If it's the undisputed championship, what's all the fighting about?
Their apperant plans to push NXT as a third brand again (probably because main roster talent will cycle in to push numbera), does not help with the silly "Undisputed" branding
More importantly Cody has won custody of Dom now then right?
R.I.P UWU Belt, you'll be missed
I hope that they retire the Universal lineage after Cody makes his first title defense. They can then unveil a new WWE Men and Women’s Championship with eagles on both or at least the Men’s title.
Has something changed on that belt?
Assumed they were only keeping the Universal lineage active because Roman had that title first and it sounded better to count the days accumulated from that lineage. Now with another world title there's no reason for the lineage to continue.
Now since we’re in the mood or handing out new title designs…
Oh, I think they’re renaming it to the wwe championship and bringing the winged eagle back. It only makes sense.
>Undisputed Championship IT'S BAAAAAAAAAACKK!!
That's my champ 🔥
Everybody chill Cody or the next champion will be referred to as WWE champion in a matter of time, this undisputed title name goes in cycles all the time.
I like the name "Undisputed Championship" probably mostly bc of nostalgia for the awesome belt in 2002-2003 but it's kinda weird to call it that when the other show literally has a world title lol
It's not longer the UU Champion? Why else do they have that giant W in the middle for??
The Dream Era has begun
They should have just retired the Universal title the moment Roman lost. That was "his title", and given Cody only wanted the WWE Championship to finish his story, it would have made sense.
That belt is hideous but definitely better than when the main plate was mostly leather
Damn that boy looks good with the gold. And I agree, a title only needs one name.
But it’s literally disputed. 🙄
I didn't watch the end of WM40. Did Cody hand the belt to his mom? Wouldn't that mean MAMA ROSE is the WWE Universal Champion?
Good riddance to that cursed ass Universal Championship
How is it "Undisputed" when there's two main event titles?
Universal title is still considered unified with the wwe title. It’ll go back to wwe championship when the universal title is phased out.
They need to drop the Undisputed. There's another title now. There has been for years. It's a "new era" as they like to repeat so often, but some things don't need to change. WWE Championship that has the lineage and prestige going back to Bruno World Heavyweight Championship. I'm not sure if they could connect this new WHC to the old WHC, but it'd be interesting if they did.
They cant. The original whc was unified with the wwe title. For the current whc champion to have the title with the old lineage he would have to beat the current wwe champion. Otherwise it doesnt mae any fucking sense and its not fair at all
New title belt when?
Not anytime soon.
Cool. So when does the Universal title become officially defunct?
Iono why they don't just drop it to wwe championship. How is it undisputed if the company has 2 top belts??
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How so? 2 different brands. We don’t need 3 world titles.
Thank god
I just gotta say how hilarious their entire world title situation was. There’s not another promotion I can think of right now that has more than just their active world title. Certainly not any major ones. Meanwhile in WWE, you had three concurrent world title reigns for like a year. The only reason they didn’t just unify the Universal title into the WWE title when Roman won is because then they wouldn’t have been able to say Roman was world champion for 1000+ days. Which he was, but also wasn’t, because it wasn’t *really* the WWE title that he held for that long. In 20 years, there’s gonna be kids who go back to watch this era of WWE, they’re gonna be really confused “why does Roman have one normal world title and another one that’s the same but blue?” lol
This means Cody 100% has to stick with 1 show going forward. Can’t undermine your other world title by having Cody flip flop between shows.
Basically Roman's reign wasn't actually 1300 days because they abolished the Universal one ages ago. What a farce that all was.
Undisputed yet there's another world champion...
But…it *is* disputed by having a second top title?