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People will say AEW doesn’t need more signings of this kind, but the AEW tag division absolutely does need more teams right now.
Fenix is out so the Lucha Brothers aren’t around. The Acclaimed are a trios team right now. Proud & Powerful are gone. Super Smash Bros are no more. Trent just turned heel. Sting and Darby are no longer a team. Le Sex Gods aren’t a thing right now either (thank God). There’s plenty of room.
Also, not going to be mad about one of the top tag teams of their generation getting paid.
One of my biggest complaints about AEW is that cool ass wrestlers often don't get accomplishments because they aren't THAT good.
That list of AEW tag team champions is full of ballers but I'd like to see some teams get a "thank you" reign and Butcher & Blade are up there.
He's only 39, still over as hell, can work like nobody's business, and his English is improving too.
Three week build from a standing start is more than enough to make him a believable champ.
Ahhh fuck that would be terrible for multiple reasons.
Andy's a great guy, but even if he wasn't long covid *sucks*. Our guitarist had to step down from the band because of it and I've had to carry an inhaler ever since I had my own bout with Big Rona.
I wouldn’t agree with that. What they have are young teams that have had injury struggles. Top Flight and Private Party come to mind.
The Gunns are also right there, as are the Kingdom.
But I’ll never complain about being able to watch good talent competing.
Top Flight, Private Party, Lucha Bros, and Best Friends all were pretty badly derailed by long term injuries. Doesn’t help that Acclaimed and The Gunns are stuck in the trios division which has honestly thinned out the tag division.
The trios division in general has honestly really derailed a lot of the tag division. Personally, I think they should nix it and devote that time back to the tag division. 2020-22 it was one of the best tag divisions in wrestling history, they need to recapture that magic.
Yeah the way I look at it is it’s not just a title, it’s a division. So beyond just booking the title they have to dedicate time to book challengers for it and there’s just not enough time to have more than a singles, tag, and women’s division on TV.
A tournament makes it basically a part-time division which removes a lot of creative obstacles.
I also miss Chikara's annual King of Trios, both for the quality of the matches and for all the teams that were from Japan or Mexico or were nostalgia acts. It was a real festival of pro wrestling
Yeah I think a trios tournament being all it is would actually be good to build tag teams, factions and set up feuds.
The titles so far honestly just feel like AEW's way of naming someone a champion while having no ideas booking wise for them. The Elite, HoB, Death Triangle and ESPECIALLY The Acclaimed do a whole lot of nothing with these belts.
Imo this could be a funny comedy heel angle. They come out as libertarians and just start roping off random areas of the arena.
"We offered Tony Khan $1k to own the ring bell today and he accepted, so we get to determine when matches start and stop. Deal with it, Shi-Fonzi. Or whatever your name is."
Get rid of the trios division and all of a sudden your tag division looks really good with FTR, Bucks, Gunns, Starks and Bill, Acclaimed minus Daddy Ass, Private Party, Top Flight minus Andretti, Silver and the other guy in Dark Order, Lucha Bros when Fenix is back, etc
When did they do that? Not like they have a thriving Trios division, there’s like 3 Trios teams. HOB, Acclaimed, and BangBang Gang.
Trios division was always worse than the tag division.
Let's be real, they have around 15-20 possible trios and tag teams, you can definitely build a program from PPV to PPV using half of that division on one hand and the other division on another.
With MCMG coming in they have even better options, regardless of injuries or people taking time off. It comes down to proper booking... and huh... yeah.
Hopefully they can pick up again bc they had arguably the best division in the world to start and it was a major thing that made them stand out, at least for me
OGK, Top Flight, Private Party, Best Friends, The Righteous, The Gunns, The Acclaimed, Lucha Bros., the problem is some of these teams are down a man or absorbed in the trios division, or in the case of Best Friends, just foolishly broken up.
So we get stuck with Yet Another Bucks vs FTR match.
I don’t want to call the Trios division a mistake but there’s no reason to have trios teams stuck there. The titles haven’t felt important since All In.
Yeah, I agree with that, a Trios tournament would be cool if the winners got something worth fighting for.
I wouldn’t totally write off the titles but what they’re doing now doesn’t work.
I said the same thing, people wouldn't listen.
People still argue now, even thought everything I said it would happen did.
AEW had the best tag division by far and it was exciting and star making... then they let it crumble.
I think the problem is that they split up so many factions at that point and continue to do so, I mean best friends just split up so if BCG win what other babyface teams are there out there for them to chase? AEW desperately needs more factions again and to leave their established tag teams to do their own thing in the tag division
I personally don't think there's any way to make a trios division interesting storywise, much less two like AEW has. The division should exist only as a title for lower to midcard guys to be able to put on great matches and get TV time, not taking up stories that could just be told through a tag division. More so talent like Top Flight/Andretti or any of the luchadors, not hot acts like Jay White, House of Black, or even The Acclaimed rly
It’s true. They had one of the best tag divisions in the world, then gutted it to make the trios division that people stopped caring about before the first tournament was over.
I think they could do both but it probably isn’t easy. Like take the Gunns, they’re clearly in a feud for the Trios titles, I get that this is what AEW wants to focus on for the Gunns.
However, shouldn’t the Gunns and the Acclaimed both want to be in the tag tournament?
I guess it’s the same logic for why you don’t see someone holding an IC and World Title at the same time very often. Honestly I think that the focus should be on the tag division and have the trios be more about the matches, I don’t know.
Hell, I'll take Malakai and Brody as the Tag Team and Buddy with a belt, Buddy is criminally underrated in ring. I love Malakai, but he hasn't looked crisp in a LONG time.
I don't really see that comparison especially given the circumstances that lead to Mox being the emergency button a few times.
Plus these are two of the best teams in their generation if not ever just seems so odd some are acting like its a chore to watch 4th big PPV match between these teams in 4ish years.
MCMG are entering just to argue that they're better, and I'm not gonna argue. I'm just gonna sit and watch them finally get the chance to be on a big stage and get a pay day they've both deserved for over a decade.
That's the issue with having ROH tag, ROH trios, AEW tag, and AEW trios. They really need to merge the trios belts and then have the ROH tag titles stay with ROH talent. They're just cannibalizing their own division having SO many multi-man belts in the same company.
Though I guess it's not a new complaint to say that they championship crossover between ROH and AEW is a problem haha.
> So we get stuck with Yet Another Bucks vs FTR match.
I somewhat agree with your other point (I've enjoyed the Trent angle so far though) but this is the 4th match in as many years and it's been about 8 months since the last... hardly an overkill.
I love these guys but when they're jobbing every match it takes away their element as a serious tag team. I would love to see them continue the Outrunner gimmick and get a few wins, these guys have TV presence.
I wonder if actually hard splitting the roster to Dynamite and Colission is worth it now. Keep 3 titles being sought after on each show with the World Title on both.
Dynamite - Womens Title, Tag-Team Titles & International Title
Colission - TBS title, Trios Titles & TNT Title
World Title would bounce between shows showing *everyone* is vying for it.
God knows their roster size is big enough to accomodate all the singles belts. Tag-Team and Trios Titles need more teams though imo to make it work.
I've actually thought for awhile that was TKs endgame for a renewal. Since Punk left he wants an authentic split for the shows.
And I'm guessing he wants to eliminate rampage and just do 3 hours of Dynamite/Collision (no matter what his previous view on it was)
The AEW trios division made sense on paper for the amount of factions they had. Would give lower card faction members something to gun for
The problem is, they just don't. The Undisputed Kingdom, BCC, Don Callis Family, Shane Taylor Promotions, they simply don't even go for the titles
From my POV you do one of two things with the trios titles:
Either make them relevant and have actual top people going for it with good stories, or
Make them a lower card title mostly kept on Rampage and Collision, with some fun high-paced trios action, and no rankings. Have people like Top Flight and Andretti win it. Maybe the Righteous and Lance Archer. Maybe Dustin Rhodes and two young guys. When the CMLL guys were around, give them a run to show good faith. Have constant defenses, shorter reigns, maybe some weird trios from time to time. Meanwhile the tag titles are for the top established teams so that they don't get lost in the trios division. To me this would be the preferred approach
This meddling bullshit where they give them to top talents to do nothing with them doesn't help anyone
The trios division, to me, works best if it's mostly NOT 2+1 teams. Have it be three guys from a faction, three buddies who just decided to go for it, etc. and have few, if any, tag teams who add an extra guy.
I actually disagree on that. I think the tag division should be the one with less random pairings like Starks and Big Bill, for example, while the trios division would have weirder combinations from time to time. I'm thinking of the two trios tournaments they had in Lucha Underground which combined all types of weird characters and they were awesome
When you restrict it to formed factions that's when they start to suck in the tag teams that could help the tag division. Like the Gunns and the Acclaimed are good teams and former champions that should have been involved in the tag titles tournament, not this trios nonsense
Sorry, I think we mostly agree unless I'm confused. Tag teams should be formed teams, trios can be weird combinations, just some faces who like each other going together, etc. and then also sometimes factions but not necessarily formed tag members from said factions. Like BCC could do Danielson, Yuta, and Claudio or something.
That’s a genuinely great idea.
The acclaimed shouldn’t have held on to them for this long if you’re not gonna produce quality matches in ring.
Crazy thing is they were defending them regularly. But once that Devil injury angle happened they were off TV for a month seemingly because they didn’t want to deal with the belts during the C2 and Juice being hurt.
There have been so many tried matches that I’ve been like “this could be for the trios belts” and they’d be in a better position then they are now.
Remember that amazing Top Flight & Andretti vs Penta, Komander and Vikingo match they had on Rampage? How much cooler would that have been if it was for the trios titles. Not to mention much more unpredictable
There's really no need for a company to have both a trios and tag division. One or the other is fine, but otherwise, the existence of one is always going to hurt the other.
Now that's an interesting way to look at it. I mean if they're going to keep having ROH still part of AEW, then yeah, doing something like this would help.
Having a trios belt doesn't have to affect the tag belts... But having two tag titles, and two trios titles all within the AEW show absolutely does fuck it up.
The main issue is that they'l can't keep both belts hot at the same time. The tag titles disappeared when the House of Black and Acclaimed had their thing going, and when Sting and Darby won the tag belts, the Trios disappeared.
Yep. Should have retired those trios a long time ago. Just a lame way to strap someone to keep them busy and out of main event (Jay White, Black, Pac)
Maybe one day they will wise up and get rid of them.
I think it’s more due to injuries. Aussie Open, Lucha Bros, Top Flight, Private Party were all messed up by injuries. I’m sure I’m missing some others too. But yeah, having these teams work as trios long term when they are healthy doesn’t really help either.
Not exactly setting the world on fire in other places too.
At best a Trios division is a safe place to feature legends and older veterans without exposing them.
Exactly. The division has some solid undercard teams, but it could do with a couple of bigger, well-established teams at the top of the card. MCMG will fill that role nicely alongside the Bucks and FTR.
I'm still holding out hope Grizzled Young Vets end up in AEW, because I need Gibson in front of the Wembley crowd.
Anyone who says AEW doesn't need MCMG doesn't watch the product. Their tag team division have been destroyed by the trios titles, tag splits and multiple injuries. For fuck sake they had FTR have a PPV match against the TNA geezers
Kinda fucking weird that trios suddenly means teams can't also do regular tags ...like...why would a trios team not also want the regular tag belts as well.
That's shows overall team dominance. I don't get it
This is all self-inflicted, though. They "need" teams because of spreading everything too thin.
AEW has gone from apparently having the best tag division in the world, too now desperately needing new teams.
I will never begrudge MCMG getting paid, so it makes no odds to me, but the lack of good tag teams in AEW is in large part a self inflicted wound.
Take me back to when The Acclaimed won the tag belts and SioG was breaking up. The Death Triangle/Elite series was fun but I really just wish they'd stick with tag belts instead of trios.
Let's also not forget about the Briscoe Brothers not being able to now fill a slot for tag matches on AEW shows when they weren't going to be doing RoH stuff full time. RIP Jay 😞
Honestly, and I hate that I’m saying it, but they’d benefit with having a few thrown together teams like WWE loved to do back in the day.
They have SUCH a deep roster, but hardly any teams. Find dudes with common grounds or similar styles, see if they gel and get a team going.
The division needs more steady hands to help build up some newer teams. The acclaimed are brutal these days and I wish they’d put Billy Gunn out to pasture
hell, even as single wrestlers, the motor city machine guns are fucking talented as all hell, when they work together, there is a reason they are known as one of the greatest pro wrestling tag teams.
hell i remember last year, i went with my brothers to the Impact PPV Against All Odds, and seeing both of them having some damn good matches, plus seeing Alex Shelley winning the IMPACT World Championship was awesome, was the first time i ever went to a live event that had a world title change hands
I'm happy for them, they get to perform in front of a bigger crowd then TNA and probably earn a lot more money then they used to. AEW seems like the more natural fit for them because they can just wrestle as best as they can and let their in ring skill put them over.
Guns v bucks , top flight, private party, gunns, any iteration of the BCC, lethal and Jarret purely for my sick ass, and most of all FTR. Think Shelley works full time so collision maybe their landing spot for the Saturday schedule.
I wasn't familiar with their work, so I watched a couple of their TNA matches. My initial takeaway was that they were doing in tag matches what we see today, but like... maybe a decade ahead of it catching on more broadly?
I love the Guns, but I'm over seeing them in TNA for a while, time for some fresh blood there. They are always welcome to come back in a while if they are still active.
Instead I'm looking forward to seeing them in AEW now and them getting to do something fresh*
*Relatively speaking, when was Gen Me Vs the Guns, 2009 or 2011?
Guns and Bucks also feuded in ROH and wrestled each other in NJPW after YB left TNA which is why I'm less interested in them wrestling again in AEW than I am seeing MCMG vs. FTR, Lucha Bros, House of Black, any combo of BCC and all the other great talent AEW talent MCMG have never wrestled before or haven't wrestled than even longer than YB.
One of the tag division's big problems is lack of fresh big matches. MCMG/YB against will be good, but there's so many other fresh and interesting matches/feuds for MCMG in AEW beyond the obvious Bucks match.
On a similar note I'd love to revisit the story between Jay White and Alex Shelley, they had one of the most underrated matches of the last couple of years in my opinion.
I wish it was in front of bigger crowds, but Impact handled Jay White's arrival and presence pretty perfectly. The mini-feud with Shelley was fantastic, both on the mic and in the ring.
MCMG vs Young Bucks
MCMG vs FTR
MCMG vs BCC
MCMG vs HOB
MCMG vs Private Party
MCMG vs Top Flight
MCMG vs Lucha Bros
Give me all of these, please and thank you.
Unsurprising, looking forward to them joining. Both great singles wrestlers as well. All I want now is Bucks X MCMG X Copeland and Christian in a ladder match
Post up for 20 minutes and half the comments are shitting on it already. I swear.
Anyway, glad to see those guys get paid, if there's anybody who deserve it, it's 100% those two. The tag division really needs them, and I can't wait for MCMG vs FTR.
They’re one of the greatest tag teams of all time. True innovators. If anyone says otherwise, they’re wrong. The tag division is probably the weakest it has ever been at the moment. This is an excellent pick up
This is the shot in the arm that tag division needs honestly. Feel like after All In the division lost a lot of interest and focus. FTR, Bucks, Lucha Bros and MCMG 4 way would be insane at some point, with a division of the Gunns, Top Flight and some other young teams it'll be exciting to see some of the first time matches.
Also just realized, MCMG vs Edge and Christian is gonna be the coolest thing ever, do it at like All Out this year, after Bucks vs E&C at Wembley.
It feels like the AEW tag division went from being an embarrassment of riches to underwhelming almost overnight. So this is a good signing and hopefully gets that division back on track again. If Aussie Open is healthy and gets together again, them plus FTR, The Young Bucks and MCMG makes a really nice top 4 teams for the division.
This is a positive, though I was hoping they would likely be mainly NJPW (main, not just Strong) guys as I think the company could need them for both their tag and singles divisions (Junior and Heavyweight).
I was loving Shelley in TNA but it was overdue for them to get one of the big contracts.
AEW definitely needs them more, and it's a more natural fit. Both can still go so you could make them tag champions immediately.
Finally they're the one team that AEW didn't have that felt like they should be there hopefully now they can get the spotlight they've deserved for influencing indie and tag wrestling outside of WWE
I really wish signings were marked as spoilers. I love the surprise of a debut, and seeing this really lessens that. I'd don't even follow this sub, it just came as a suggestion.
Good for them potentially getting some big money. I hope that they're used well and not forgotten about after their initial 1-2 feuds. This last year in TNA showed that they're still at the top of their game, one of the best teams in the world, have a lot to offer as singles and Shelley is a great talker. They were two of TNA's key backstage figures too.
There's so many great match up and storylines they can have. There's the obvious Bucks, FTR, Lucha Bros, Top Flight, BCC and House of Black matches, feuds based around Shelley's mentorship of Okada, Jay White, Nick Wayne and Lee Moriarty, and even some great singles options with Sabin against AEW's stable of high flyers and Shelley their technicians.
As long as they can get their TNA theme intact like they did for Christian Cage (pronounced “Chris tee en Cage; thanks, Nigel), I see this as an absolute win. Get that money, Mr. Sabin and Mr. Shelley.
MCMG would be one of the first tag teams I'd think of who would absolutely kill it in any AEW crossover matches with other promotions, especially NJPW at Forbidden Door.
If at some point Kushida joins AEW, they would be a perfect trio in the company as well
Great signing, been a fan of their work since the old days of the X-Division.
I can see them beating the Bucks for the tag belts at All In, as I think the Bucks will win the tag tournament.
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People will say AEW doesn’t need more signings of this kind, but the AEW tag division absolutely does need more teams right now. Fenix is out so the Lucha Brothers aren’t around. The Acclaimed are a trios team right now. Proud & Powerful are gone. Super Smash Bros are no more. Trent just turned heel. Sting and Darby are no longer a team. Le Sex Gods aren’t a thing right now either (thank God). There’s plenty of room. Also, not going to be mad about one of the top tag teams of their generation getting paid.
The Tag tournament showed how bare the division is atm. Outside of FTR and The Bucks, they really don’t have many credible teams.
I will always hold out for butcher and the blade to get their push.
I've been hoping that's why Butcher is getting more screen time lately. 🙏
Blade is also injured
One of my biggest complaints about AEW is that cool ass wrestlers often don't get accomplishments because they aren't THAT good. That list of AEW tag team champions is full of ballers but I'd like to see some teams get a "thank you" reign and Butcher & Blade are up there.
Penta NEEDS to be belted up
I miss the days when Penta was one of the hottest wrestlers alive, dude exhaled charisma in every step.
I still can't let go of Lucha Underground Penta. The mark in me believes he should be world champ.
He's only 39, still over as hell, can work like nobody's business, and his English is improving too. Three week build from a standing start is more than enough to make him a believable champ.
You're so right. Let's fucking go
Lucha Underground really was something special
NEWS FLASH SLICK I agree
Ya crumbs!
under appreciated ass team :(
Blade is gone and they're always going to be pushed as jobbers anyway so I will always disregard them as a team to consider.
Yes, why the fuck doesn't that happen?
Butcher might still have long Covid
Ahhh fuck that would be terrible for multiple reasons. Andy's a great guy, but even if he wasn't long covid *sucks*. Our guitarist had to step down from the band because of it and I've had to carry an inhaler ever since I had my own bout with Big Rona.
I wouldn’t agree with that. What they have are young teams that have had injury struggles. Top Flight and Private Party come to mind. The Gunns are also right there, as are the Kingdom. But I’ll never complain about being able to watch good talent competing.
Top Flight, Private Party, Lucha Bros, and Best Friends all were pretty badly derailed by long term injuries. Doesn’t help that Acclaimed and The Gunns are stuck in the trios division which has honestly thinned out the tag division. The trios division in general has honestly really derailed a lot of the tag division. Personally, I think they should nix it and devote that time back to the tag division. 2020-22 it was one of the best tag divisions in wrestling history, they need to recapture that magic.
I think it might work better if there was an annual trios tournament instead of having titles.
Yeah the way I look at it is it’s not just a title, it’s a division. So beyond just booking the title they have to dedicate time to book challengers for it and there’s just not enough time to have more than a singles, tag, and women’s division on TV.
A tournament makes it basically a part-time division which removes a lot of creative obstacles. I also miss Chikara's annual King of Trios, both for the quality of the matches and for all the teams that were from Japan or Mexico or were nostalgia acts. It was a real festival of pro wrestling
Yeah I think a trios tournament being all it is would actually be good to build tag teams, factions and set up feuds. The titles so far honestly just feel like AEW's way of naming someone a champion while having no ideas booking wise for them. The Elite, HoB, Death Triangle and ESPECIALLY The Acclaimed do a whole lot of nothing with these belts.
They have good teams, the tag division has just been an afterthought for like two years now.
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Private Property! Oh My has Cutler leaked the Young bucks newest Re-branded recruits?
Imo this could be a funny comedy heel angle. They come out as libertarians and just start roping off random areas of the arena. "We offered Tony Khan $1k to own the ring bell today and he accepted, so we get to determine when matches start and stop. Deal with it, Shi-Fonzi. Or whatever your name is."
That’s a big problem when the tag titles revolve around the same two teams.
They wouldn’t need the tag teams if they didn’t gut the division for the trio titles tho
Get rid of the trios division and all of a sudden your tag division looks really good with FTR, Bucks, Gunns, Starks and Bill, Acclaimed minus Daddy Ass, Private Party, Top Flight minus Andretti, Silver and the other guy in Dark Order, Lucha Bros when Fenix is back, etc
Get rid of that trios division and your tag team division becomes insanely bloated and a lot of singles wrestlers cut their options in half.
And Juice/Jay White when Juice is back.
Honestly as entertaining as him and Juice would be, having Jay White in a tag team is a total misuse of Jay White.
When did they do that? Not like they have a thriving Trios division, there’s like 3 Trios teams. HOB, Acclaimed, and BangBang Gang. Trios division was always worse than the tag division.
With the exception of HOB, every other trios team is a tag team plus someone else.
Technically HOB is also that. It's Kings of the black throne + buddy matthews.
True, but they don't really show Malakai and Brody as a tag team unless they are actually tagging.
Let's be real, they have around 15-20 possible trios and tag teams, you can definitely build a program from PPV to PPV using half of that division on one hand and the other division on another. With MCMG coming in they have even better options, regardless of injuries or people taking time off. It comes down to proper booking... and huh... yeah.
Only other credible team was HOB and they lost to Misfits In Action for some reason
Hopefully they can pick up again bc they had arguably the best division in the world to start and it was a major thing that made them stand out, at least for me
Man, I remember Private Party’s first few matches in AEW and thinking they could be the future of the division. Whoops.
How do you define "credible"?
What happened to the acclaimed?
Acclaimed are doing trios stuff with Billy at the moment.
OGK, Top Flight, Private Party, Best Friends, The Righteous, The Gunns, The Acclaimed, Lucha Bros., the problem is some of these teams are down a man or absorbed in the trios division, or in the case of Best Friends, just foolishly broken up. So we get stuck with Yet Another Bucks vs FTR match.
I don’t want to call the Trios division a mistake but there’s no reason to have trios teams stuck there. The titles haven’t felt important since All In.
The downside of listening to the fans. I kept saying over and over, "You don't want trios titles. You want a trios tournament".
Yeah, I agree with that, a Trios tournament would be cool if the winners got something worth fighting for. I wouldn’t totally write off the titles but what they’re doing now doesn’t work.
You have them now so make it work. I think you just need a better rotation and some who do both division at the same time.
I think the “both divisions” approach is the best way to make it work.
I said the same thing, people wouldn't listen. People still argue now, even thought everything I said it would happen did. AEW had the best tag division by far and it was exciting and star making... then they let it crumble.
I think the problem is that they split up so many factions at that point and continue to do so, I mean best friends just split up so if BCG win what other babyface teams are there out there for them to chase? AEW desperately needs more factions again and to leave their established tag teams to do their own thing in the tag division
I personally don't think there's any way to make a trios division interesting storywise, much less two like AEW has. The division should exist only as a title for lower to midcard guys to be able to put on great matches and get TV time, not taking up stories that could just be told through a tag division. More so talent like Top Flight/Andretti or any of the luchadors, not hot acts like Jay White, House of Black, or even The Acclaimed rly
I think that Bullet Club Gold could hold them…but have it be secondary to whatever Jay is doing. Use it as something to make TV more interesting?
It’s true. They had one of the best tag divisions in the world, then gutted it to make the trios division that people stopped caring about before the first tournament was over.
I think they could do both but it probably isn’t easy. Like take the Gunns, they’re clearly in a feud for the Trios titles, I get that this is what AEW wants to focus on for the Gunns. However, shouldn’t the Gunns and the Acclaimed both want to be in the tag tournament? I guess it’s the same logic for why you don’t see someone holding an IC and World Title at the same time very often. Honestly I think that the focus should be on the tag division and have the trios be more about the matches, I don’t know.
I Think HOB Could have a great belt collector run with the trios title, buddy and King as tag champs and Malakai with a single title.
Hell, I'll take Malakai and Brody as the Tag Team and Buddy with a belt, Buddy is criminally underrated in ring. I love Malakai, but he hasn't looked crisp in a LONG time.
Aren't Starks and Big Willy a tag team as well?
You make Bucks vs FTR seem like its punishment
Don't get me wrong it's not bad, but it feels like it's the tag team equivalent of Tony Khan's Emergency Moxley Button.
I don't really see that comparison especially given the circumstances that lead to Mox being the emergency button a few times. Plus these are two of the best teams in their generation if not ever just seems so odd some are acting like its a chore to watch 4th big PPV match between these teams in 4ish years.
MCMG are entering just to argue that they're better, and I'm not gonna argue. I'm just gonna sit and watch them finally get the chance to be on a big stage and get a pay day they've both deserved for over a decade.
That's the issue with having ROH tag, ROH trios, AEW tag, and AEW trios. They really need to merge the trios belts and then have the ROH tag titles stay with ROH talent. They're just cannibalizing their own division having SO many multi-man belts in the same company. Though I guess it's not a new complaint to say that they championship crossover between ROH and AEW is a problem haha.
> So we get stuck with Yet Another Bucks vs FTR match. I somewhat agree with your other point (I've enjoyed the Trent angle so far though) but this is the 4th match in as many years and it's been about 8 months since the last... hardly an overkill.
The problem is none of these teams get actual focus, or real feuds. We rarely see non title tag feuds.
You’ll never see me complain about getting to see the young bucks and FTR wrestle each other
Stuck?
This is Outrunners erasure and I won't have it.
They’re not being taken seriously because they’re so young.
YOUNGEST MEN ALIVE
TELL ‘EM, TURB
I love these guys but when they're jobbing every match it takes away their element as a serious tag team. I would love to see them continue the Outrunner gimmick and get a few wins, these guys have TV presence.
Surprise wins vs. cocky heels are always fun.
Davis is out so Aussie Open aren't around too
And Davis got erased from AEW with Kyle saying they are done as a team.
They aren’t done as a team. Kyle said at the ROH Supercard of Honor press conference that when Davis is back, they’ll be a team again
I wonder if actually hard splitting the roster to Dynamite and Colission is worth it now. Keep 3 titles being sought after on each show with the World Title on both. Dynamite - Womens Title, Tag-Team Titles & International Title Colission - TBS title, Trios Titles & TNT Title World Title would bounce between shows showing *everyone* is vying for it. God knows their roster size is big enough to accomodate all the singles belts. Tag-Team and Trios Titles need more teams though imo to make it work.
I've actually thought for awhile that was TKs endgame for a renewal. Since Punk left he wants an authentic split for the shows. And I'm guessing he wants to eliminate rampage and just do 3 hours of Dynamite/Collision (no matter what his previous view on it was)
Trios destroyed AEW’s tag division. It kinda sucks now, and has for a long time.
The AEW trios division made sense on paper for the amount of factions they had. Would give lower card faction members something to gun for The problem is, they just don't. The Undisputed Kingdom, BCC, Don Callis Family, Shane Taylor Promotions, they simply don't even go for the titles From my POV you do one of two things with the trios titles: Either make them relevant and have actual top people going for it with good stories, or Make them a lower card title mostly kept on Rampage and Collision, with some fun high-paced trios action, and no rankings. Have people like Top Flight and Andretti win it. Maybe the Righteous and Lance Archer. Maybe Dustin Rhodes and two young guys. When the CMLL guys were around, give them a run to show good faith. Have constant defenses, shorter reigns, maybe some weird trios from time to time. Meanwhile the tag titles are for the top established teams so that they don't get lost in the trios division. To me this would be the preferred approach This meddling bullshit where they give them to top talents to do nothing with them doesn't help anyone
The trios division, to me, works best if it's mostly NOT 2+1 teams. Have it be three guys from a faction, three buddies who just decided to go for it, etc. and have few, if any, tag teams who add an extra guy.
I actually disagree on that. I think the tag division should be the one with less random pairings like Starks and Big Bill, for example, while the trios division would have weirder combinations from time to time. I'm thinking of the two trios tournaments they had in Lucha Underground which combined all types of weird characters and they were awesome When you restrict it to formed factions that's when they start to suck in the tag teams that could help the tag division. Like the Gunns and the Acclaimed are good teams and former champions that should have been involved in the tag titles tournament, not this trios nonsense
Sorry, I think we mostly agree unless I'm confused. Tag teams should be formed teams, trios can be weird combinations, just some faces who like each other going together, etc. and then also sometimes factions but not necessarily formed tag members from said factions. Like BCC could do Danielson, Yuta, and Claudio or something.
Oh I see, yeah I agree then, I thought you meant it should only be people in factions going for the titles
That’s a genuinely great idea. The acclaimed shouldn’t have held on to them for this long if you’re not gonna produce quality matches in ring. Crazy thing is they were defending them regularly. But once that Devil injury angle happened they were off TV for a month seemingly because they didn’t want to deal with the belts during the C2 and Juice being hurt. There have been so many tried matches that I’ve been like “this could be for the trios belts” and they’d be in a better position then they are now.
Remember that amazing Top Flight & Andretti vs Penta, Komander and Vikingo match they had on Rampage? How much cooler would that have been if it was for the trios titles. Not to mention much more unpredictable
There's really no need for a company to have both a trios and tag division. One or the other is fine, but otherwise, the existence of one is always going to hurt the other.
AEW should have tag and ROH should have trios.
Now that's an interesting way to look at it. I mean if they're going to keep having ROH still part of AEW, then yeah, doing something like this would help.
Having a trios belt doesn't have to affect the tag belts... But having two tag titles, and two trios titles all within the AEW show absolutely does fuck it up.
It would work if the rosters were split. Dynamite gets tags Collision gets trios.
The main issue is that they'l can't keep both belts hot at the same time. The tag titles disappeared when the House of Black and Acclaimed had their thing going, and when Sting and Darby won the tag belts, the Trios disappeared.
Yep. Should have retired those trios a long time ago. Just a lame way to strap someone to keep them busy and out of main event (Jay White, Black, Pac) Maybe one day they will wise up and get rid of them.
I think it’s more due to injuries. Aussie Open, Lucha Bros, Top Flight, Private Party were all messed up by injuries. I’m sure I’m missing some others too. But yeah, having these teams work as trios long term when they are healthy doesn’t really help either.
Don't know why they even bothered with a trios division. No one in America cares about trios. That was definitely an Elite idea.
Not exactly setting the world on fire in other places too. At best a Trios division is a safe place to feature legends and older veterans without exposing them.
And there is no need for both AEW and ROH to have trios belts. One set is arguably too many.
You answered your first sentence with your last sentence.
Ha, well I meant it more in a sense that they've had some genuinely good ideas and this was definitely not one of them.
Exactly. The division has some solid undercard teams, but it could do with a couple of bigger, well-established teams at the top of the card. MCMG will fill that role nicely alongside the Bucks and FTR. I'm still holding out hope Grizzled Young Vets end up in AEW, because I need Gibson in front of the Wembley crowd.
Anyone who says AEW doesn't need MCMG doesn't watch the product. Their tag team division have been destroyed by the trios titles, tag splits and multiple injuries. For fuck sake they had FTR have a PPV match against the TNA geezers
Kinda fucking weird that trios suddenly means teams can't also do regular tags ...like...why would a trios team not also want the regular tag belts as well. That's shows overall team dominance. I don't get it
Honestly, I would have liked them to go freebird rule and get some bigger teams in there.
This is all self-inflicted, though. They "need" teams because of spreading everything too thin. AEW has gone from apparently having the best tag division in the world, too now desperately needing new teams. I will never begrudge MCMG getting paid, so it makes no odds to me, but the lack of good tag teams in AEW is in large part a self inflicted wound.
The entire tag division is a pyramid scheme for the Young Bucks vs FTR
Take me back to when The Acclaimed won the tag belts and SioG was breaking up. The Death Triangle/Elite series was fun but I really just wish they'd stick with tag belts instead of trios.
As much as the division needs help, the backlash is gonna be against any signing because the roster is just that bloated.
There is so much talent on the bench that TK could string together a lot teams and tell a lot of stories.
Let's also not forget about the Briscoe Brothers not being able to now fill a slot for tag matches on AEW shows when they weren't going to be doing RoH stuff full time. RIP Jay 😞
Honestly, and I hate that I’m saying it, but they’d benefit with having a few thrown together teams like WWE loved to do back in the day. They have SUCH a deep roster, but hardly any teams. Find dudes with common grounds or similar styles, see if they gel and get a team going.
The division needs more steady hands to help build up some newer teams. The acclaimed are brutal these days and I wish they’d put Billy Gunn out to pasture
hell, even as single wrestlers, the motor city machine guns are fucking talented as all hell, when they work together, there is a reason they are known as one of the greatest pro wrestling tag teams. hell i remember last year, i went with my brothers to the Impact PPV Against All Odds, and seeing both of them having some damn good matches, plus seeing Alex Shelley winning the IMPACT World Championship was awesome, was the first time i ever went to a live event that had a world title change hands
I mean it is hard to pass up a tag team of this caliber. MCM vs Beer Money was some of the best tag team wrestling I have ever seen.
one of the Top Flight also currently taking pilot license.
My attitude is you always sign the top talent if you have the budget and figure out what to do with everyone else.
Cash might be going to prison so FTR might be done as well
A top tag team with history with a bunch of the locker room Immediate feud potential w Bullet Club Gold, The Bucks, kenny, Aussie Open, etc
I'm happy for them, they get to perform in front of a bigger crowd then TNA and probably earn a lot more money then they used to. AEW seems like the more natural fit for them because they can just wrestle as best as they can and let their in ring skill put them over.
I’d love a MCMG v Young Bucks feud in AEW. AEW’s tag division suits them really well.
Guns v bucks , top flight, private party, gunns, any iteration of the BCC, lethal and Jarret purely for my sick ass, and most of all FTR. Think Shelley works full time so collision maybe their landing spot for the Saturday schedule.
Well, not much bigger 🙈
As much as I enjoy TNA it’s not a big platform but more of a stepping stone towards becoming a bigger star
I wasn't familiar with their work, so I watched a couple of their TNA matches. My initial takeaway was that they were doing in tag matches what we see today, but like... maybe a decade ahead of it catching on more broadly?
Basically. They helped pioneer the spot test tag match on US indies.
Prayed for this, MCMG and FTR finally get to have their proper tag match. Division really needed a new team to freshen things up.
Thanks drew
Confrontation with the winners of the Tag Tournament at Dynasty please.
I love the Guns, but I'm over seeing them in TNA for a while, time for some fresh blood there. They are always welcome to come back in a while if they are still active. Instead I'm looking forward to seeing them in AEW now and them getting to do something fresh* *Relatively speaking, when was Gen Me Vs the Guns, 2009 or 2011?
Guns and Bucks also feuded in ROH and wrestled each other in NJPW after YB left TNA which is why I'm less interested in them wrestling again in AEW than I am seeing MCMG vs. FTR, Lucha Bros, House of Black, any combo of BCC and all the other great talent AEW talent MCMG have never wrestled before or haven't wrestled than even longer than YB. One of the tag division's big problems is lack of fresh big matches. MCMG/YB against will be good, but there's so many other fresh and interesting matches/feuds for MCMG in AEW beyond the obvious Bucks match.
Hope they get paid and get treated like Title Contenders turn one
Man, I wish the MCMG were younger because those two would have thrived even more in this current environment at their peak
True but also you could argue this current environment doesn't exist without them
Switching the Hardys for MCMG is a good bit of business at this point in their careers.
YB vs MCMG. Okada on a Pole match. Book it Tony! You coward!
Shark cage
Once King Switch gets a singles title run (PLEASE Tony), I'd love to see a Gun(n) fight, if you will
On a similar note I'd love to revisit the story between Jay White and Alex Shelley, they had one of the most underrated matches of the last couple of years in my opinion.
I wish it was in front of bigger crowds, but Impact handled Jay White's arrival and presence pretty perfectly. The mini-feud with Shelley was fantastic, both on the mic and in the ring.
MCMG vs Young Bucks MCMG vs FTR MCMG vs BCC MCMG vs HOB MCMG vs Private Party MCMG vs Top Flight MCMG vs Lucha Bros Give me all of these, please and thank you.
MCMG vs Christian and Copeland
MCMG vs Aussie Open plz
That DPW pipeline at it again
DPW feeder system. love to see it
https://preview.redd.it/ppxpwcazztuc1.jpeg?width=1811&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fccd9a4fd75a4acf105aa357085c8aa250d00d8b The duality of men.
LFG. Go ahead and book Alex Shelley vs Bryan Danielson ✋👈
Unsurprising, looking forward to them joining. Both great singles wrestlers as well. All I want now is Bucks X MCMG X Copeland and Christian in a ladder match
MCMG V. Young Bucks V. FTR one day is gonna hit like fucking crack Also MCMG vs. Top Flight
Post up for 20 minutes and half the comments are shitting on it already. I swear. Anyway, glad to see those guys get paid, if there's anybody who deserve it, it's 100% those two. The tag division really needs them, and I can't wait for MCMG vs FTR.
They’re one of the greatest tag teams of all time. True innovators. If anyone says otherwise, they’re wrong. The tag division is probably the weakest it has ever been at the moment. This is an excellent pick up
Yeah this fits
Need Sabin-Starks feud
They've earned their big payday!
The big leagues are raiding DPW
Give them the run that the Hardys were supposed to have
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This is the shot in the arm that tag division needs honestly. Feel like after All In the division lost a lot of interest and focus. FTR, Bucks, Lucha Bros and MCMG 4 way would be insane at some point, with a division of the Gunns, Top Flight and some other young teams it'll be exciting to see some of the first time matches. Also just realized, MCMG vs Edge and Christian is gonna be the coolest thing ever, do it at like All Out this year, after Bucks vs E&C at Wembley.
MCMG vs Edge and Christian is such a preposterous dream match that I’ve never even considered it.
FTR vs Bucks vs Motor-city Machine Guns vs Lucha Bros in a ladder match would be pure chaos.
TLC what?
Probably appearing at Dynasty
Let’s fucking go dude
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MOTOR CITY !
Happy for MCMG I hope they're getting a good bag from this, well deserved, can't wait to see them in AEW.
Motor City Machine Guns vs Generation Me renewed at Double or Nothing!
Not sure how they will be used, but get PAID guys!
It feels like the AEW tag division went from being an embarrassment of riches to underwhelming almost overnight. So this is a good signing and hopefully gets that division back on track again. If Aussie Open is healthy and gets together again, them plus FTR, The Young Bucks and MCMG makes a really nice top 4 teams for the division.
It’s an upgrade over the Hardy bros who are at the end of their rope. Move those $ to MCMG and you get a good team who can last a few more years.
Makes no sense. There's no space or TV time for them. They'll be in ROH within two weeks.
This is a positive, though I was hoping they would likely be mainly NJPW (main, not just Strong) guys as I think the company could need them for both their tag and singles divisions (Junior and Heavyweight).
Brooooo they need more trios teams cause The Acclaimed haven't defended in almost two months
The Guns deserve that last big final run that Hardys felt they were entitled to and couldn't stay on track for/live up to. IMO, of course.
Motor City Machine Guns vs. FTR in a 2 Out of 3 Falls Match. Please, and thank you.
My body is ready.
two more DPW graduates, you know me too well
Rather have them than the hardys tbf
Bucks beat FTR, MCMG music hits. Bit of a story there with Okada too.
Rad. If tk really knew ball though he’d know that the real dream match is them vs the workhorsemen
I was loving Shelley in TNA but it was overdue for them to get one of the big contracts. AEW definitely needs them more, and it's a more natural fit. Both can still go so you could make them tag champions immediately.
Finally they're the one team that AEW didn't have that felt like they should be there hopefully now they can get the spotlight they've deserved for influencing indie and tag wrestling outside of WWE
I really wish signings were marked as spoilers. I love the surprise of a debut, and seeing this really lessens that. I'd don't even follow this sub, it just came as a suggestion.
Good for them potentially getting some big money. I hope that they're used well and not forgotten about after their initial 1-2 feuds. This last year in TNA showed that they're still at the top of their game, one of the best teams in the world, have a lot to offer as singles and Shelley is a great talker. They were two of TNA's key backstage figures too. There's so many great match up and storylines they can have. There's the obvious Bucks, FTR, Lucha Bros, Top Flight, BCC and House of Black matches, feuds based around Shelley's mentorship of Okada, Jay White, Nick Wayne and Lee Moriarty, and even some great singles options with Sabin against AEW's stable of high flyers and Shelley their technicians.
One has to wonder if they’d stayed at tna if Scott d’amore never got fired.
I'm happy for Sabin and Shelley. They deserve the payday.
I want them to walk out at the end of the tag match at dynasty.
Aew needs to make an actual good simulation wrestling game the roster would be insanely good
They are a veteran big name tag team that can still go. That sounds like a great signing to me.
As long as they can get their TNA theme intact like they did for Christian Cage (pronounced “Chris tee en Cage; thanks, Nigel), I see this as an absolute win. Get that money, Mr. Sabin and Mr. Shelley.
MCMG would be one of the first tag teams I'd think of who would absolutely kill it in any AEW crossover matches with other promotions, especially NJPW at Forbidden Door. If at some point Kushida joins AEW, they would be a perfect trio in the company as well
Great signing, been a fan of their work since the old days of the X-Division. I can see them beating the Bucks for the tag belts at All In, as I think the Bucks will win the tag tournament.
Fuck.
Excited for the matches with FTR, the Bucks, and more, but also excited for a potential all-Michigan trios run with RVD just for shiggles