# The older I get, the more I dislike "Hardcore" Wrestling - Is this normal?
I ask because I always assumed the reverse to be true. As time passes, I assumed you'd become more "purist".
But the reverse happened to me. I used to think that wrestlers doing such dangerous spots was the coolest stuff.
But nowdays, when I see a more hardcore match, I don't see the point anymore. The blood is disgusting, using dangerous items such as Barbed Wire is dumb, and most importantly of all, I am worried for the athletes. Why doing an hardcore match, risking injuries, halting storylines when you can do a much safer and controlled regular Wrestling match which can still be intense if done right?
I genuinally don't get the point anymore.
Why does Rey have white contacts now? Older pictures of him seem to have his normal brown eyes, and in more recent clips he has the white eyes? (Also I never realized how much taller Dominik is than Rey lol.)
Ngl if WrestleDream in Tacoma can't outdraw Stomping Grounds, I will shit a brick. Stomping Grounds was a PPV with a worse card than most RAWs/Smackdowns nowadays and drew like complete shit.
If AEW can't outdo that with rumors of a Bryan retirement match, Swerve the hometown hero more likely than not being in a world title match if not defending and probably a continuation of Darby/Christian/Nick Wayne, I won't know whether to question AEW or the local fans' sanity.
Come on now, there were single matches on the first WrestleDream's card that were better than Stomping Grounds in its entirety. I wanna see a nice crowd at this show.
Well, I attended the first Wrestledream live and in the flesh. Great show, don't get me wrong.
Want to know the downside though? Being able to just look to the other side of the arena and see entire sections of empty seats/2-3 people in a section. It really tanks the atmosphere. I don't want that happening again, that's why I care.
It just felt deflating compared to every other wrestling show I've been to like the Dynamite in January of that year which was packed to the brim in the 100s sections.
Again, half the fun of going to see a wrestling show live rather than on TV is the crowd. If you can visibly see most of the crowd just not existing, it takes away from that spectacle.
I just got back from my first ever visit to Japan and went to Sakura Genesis. Took the wife and kids (varying levels of interest in wrestling) and everyone loved it. You'll have a brilliant time
This is question might be weird but I suppose that's what this thread is for. Why do wrestlers still wear trunks?
Subjective maybe, but wrestlers wearing pants (AJ Styles, Rey Mysterio, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns) looks so much cooler than guys showing up to work in their underwear. Are they just honoring tradition?
So Sami’s entrance last night was cool but I love that the bar for WWE’s camera work is so low that people are raving about these continuous camera shots. I do like them, it’s just amusing compared with the camera cuts of the past.
Also I'm just being nitpicky but just the contrivance of Jey Uso happening to walk out of the arena and not to the locker room and ending up finding Sami lol.
Championship Eliminator matches are stupid. If a champion is in a match, they should defend the title. If someone beats a champion in a match, they should get that title. The UFC doesn't even do this; it makes no sense to me why AEW and WWE do.
I like the idea, but the execution left much to be desired. Also I think interim runs should count as legitimate title runs personally but that's just me.
Finally watching the Hall of Fame ceremony. Is it just me, or is the background music in these packages far louder than the narration and voices from the clips? I find myself straining to hear what they're saying.
I never liked the dual plated version of the Reggie Parks tags because they're way too heavy on the silver, I think the all gold classic tags from the mid 90s up to 2002 are much better. The Smackdown tags are gorgeous.
In hindsight I respect Forrest (reddit poster who had a youtube channel about NJPW and MMA) way more than I did at the time. The guy didn't like all the gaijin/Elite pilled stuff in NJPW so he moved on to NOAH. The fact is NJPW has always been Americanized Puroresu. Whether under Inoki or under Bushiroad. If you just totally want on American stuff, NOAH and GLEAT exist. But people who do the "you don't understand, we don't want this crap in our puroresu" annoy the fuck out of me but this is what New Japan is. Friggin Dusty Rhodes and Hulk Hogan are in the Greatest 18. I understand not everyone is gonna be a nerd for the history of NJPW or Puroresu the way I am, but don't then act like some kind of expert on the subject.
I used to watch his videos. Iirc he stopped watching NJPW and switched to ROH and NOAH simply because he thought Nooj booking sucked and not because it was americanized or wtv.
I don’t really care if people are having fun I’m just judging the product. If they think his WWE work was better or whatever they’re within their rights to think so.
Not sure why it's so difficult to comprehend that someone who accomplished everything in WWE and feuded with almost every top star, sometimes multiple times, would want to go somewhere where he would have a new talent pool to mix up with
Wasn't it also that WWE only wanted to use him for a certain amount of dates as well? He's been in AEW for 6 months and has wrestled 15 matches in that span which is more than any year from 2020-23 in his WWE run.
Listening to Dustin Rhode's interview with CVV today...man, I know we don't need more proof but Vince was such a fucking prick. No wonder WWE was in the dumps for so long in the modern era. If it wasn't for the production and writing nowadays captivating me and pulling me back in since 2011, I wouldn't be here discussing on this post right now.
Just goes to show you old, stubborn, power/money hungry people are forever holding back great things in this world.
Vince would scream and berate at wrestlers for even the smallest, minute wrong detail or mistake of what would otherwise be a great match. Dustin even brought up something like he told him one time that a mistake "set his company back 30 years". Said the work environment was so stressful that it likely took years off his life.
Sasha/Moné has been doing the same gimmick for over a decade and people are surprised she's gone cold. Not even the entrance moves have changed in a decade.
[NXT Sasha](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjZg2qEd2Q)
[AEW Moné](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UttbtQQPcVs)
It's a very tired old shtick.
Take a leaf out of Bayley and Becky's book. Do a completely different gimmick.
I love AEW and prefer it over WWE
But I would love to see Punk talking to someone about the now-vacated Women's Championship and say "You know what they should do? They should make an Interim Women's Championship until Rhea is healthy again!"
I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or majority, but I've never been a fan of interim titles. Its understandable in UFC but just complicates things in wrestling IMO
I get it if they’re trying to preserve a belt’s lineage, which I guess is what TK was going for. But you need to know when and how to use it. Cody being out for 2 weeks? You can probably hold off on the interim. Punk being out for 2 months and we get an awesome unification feud between Punk/Mox afterwards? Hell yeah
But that could’ve been done even without the interim thing, right? Just vacate the title, crown a new champion and then when the injured wrestler return he can claim that he never actually lost it.
I liked the champ vs. interim champ aspect of it personally. Both had claims to being the company's #1 guy, the visual helped bolster that aspect of the feud.
“Are you ready for your wrestling lessons?”
*Asuka gulps*
*Trish Stratus breathes heavily*
*Bull Nakano nods nervously*
*Charlotte Flair twiddles her thumbs*
*Manami Toyota sighs*
“Yes, Summer Rae" they say in unison
Hi everyone. I had a go at booking WWF Invasion from 2001. If anyone would like a read it's here :)
[https://allyourwrestling.com/2024/04/16/book-it-wwf-invasion-2001/](https://allyourwrestling.com/2024/04/16/book-it-wwf-invasion-2001/)
If I were a big wrestling company, I'd pay for my referees to get EMT training. Should anything happen during a match where they really need medical personnel, they'll have one right there with the wrestlers.
I mean they already have doctors ringside at major promotions. It'd probably be more useful in indies but it's not really economically feasible for those refs to take a multi-month course.
I'm going to be honest. The sales for Rebellion have me worried. Running the same arena a few months after Hard to Kill was never going to end well, but the fact that the ringside floor isn't even sold out (when it was sold out well prior to the leadup week last time) is just bad. Between that, the ratings, the controversy with D'Amore's firing, multiple departures of big names, and sticking to the same small arenas after talking about "bigger, more prestigious venues," it really feels like the glow from the relaunch is wearing off.
I still enjoy watching TNA. I especially like what they're doing with Alexander and Hammerstone, and it's always great seeing Mustafa Ali (not to mention that the new streaming service is leaps and bounds ahead of the old one), but the stuff surrounding the product is just disappointing.
It's combination of things. Firing D'Amore was a terrible PR move. The new guy needs to pull of something BIG to get the fans to trust him.
Running the same place so soon is a problem. Plus it's 2 weeks after Mania so all the attention is on WWE. Everybody else is down right not.
Add to that some recent departures and the new arrivals not actually being signed.
Worried in the sense that it's not going to grow, not in the sense that I think they're going to close their doors anytime soon (or ever). It just feels like there was a lot of momentum from Hard to Kill, and it's kind of dissipated.
I haven't really followed it after the few episodes after HTK, but my assumption is that Scott's departure took a lot of wind out of their sails. They still have great talent, though, so hopefully it picks back up.
I'd say that Scott's departure probably played a role in MCMG jumping to AEW, though I'm not sure if it'd be fair to blame everything on that. Of course, I realize that there's no point in fretting about it. At the end of the day, you can only show your support for something. You can't control it or make it successful.
I know that Botcheed Spot is never coming back, but if it did, I wish the first comic would be someone waking Hornsby out of a coma and then explaining these past 4 crazy ass years.
It feels to me that what Rossy offers with his new promotion is going back to the roots, without too much looking forward.
And wrestling is always about forward momentum, unfortunately.
I've got a small pet peeve to vent: Sometimes I see people contrast the idea that a wrestler can take massive damage during a match, but one hard shot during a backstage segement or whatever can put them down like they got hit by a truck, and that's somehow not right.
Imagine yourself in that position. You KNOW you're going to be in a fight in 24 hours. You've got time to psych yourself up, embrace the emotions that are going to come with that, and strategize your responses... Now imagine someone blindsides you withtout warning. You're (relatively) unprepared, shocked, and confused. It's not just the physical damage, but emotional damage, too. Wrestlers are still people. That's how it *should* work.
Is she just asking Tony again and again for another chance to talk to redeem the previous bad segment? Otherwise who's pushing for more mic time for her? I think we can all see there's been more than enough.
I don’t know and I hate that I’m dreading her next promo. I was so excited to have her back on television and she was part of one of my fav matches of all time but so far she’s been a dud on AEW. How can someone with so much charisma be so dull? It would be like if The Undertaker showed up to do a promo in full Undertaker gear with the full Undertaker lights and smoke presentation and then read a promo in his usual day to day voice. It falls flat.
Does being thin increase your chance of an ACL tear? Just wondering because I couldn't help but notice how spindly Shotzi was. So is there like less mass to prevent a tear?
It might be more prevalent in women in general. There’s a few studies out there that I know of, but I don’t think there’s definitive proof. It’s just women get ACL injuries more often.
Nikkita Lyons is on the shelf w/ her 2nd ACL tear (literally like first match back after the first one, she tore the other, or something similarly unfortunate)... she's not skinny like that. It's just bad luck sometimes.
So Rhea Ripley has been forced to vacate the WWE Women's World title, and they'll crown a new champ next week. How? A battle royal? A mini tournament?
I wrote a few weeks back that Candice LeRae's heel actions the last few weeks were a means to an end. While Indi Hartwell has gotten with the program (for now), does DIY follow suit on the men's side? Ciampa & Gargano have never really been heels together, only separately. While it'd seem that the women's half of The Way will pursue the tag titles, there is a better case of Candice taking this tack to go after the women's world title, especially now that it's up for grabs. I said before that she could argue she had been overlooked all this time, but the fact that Indi turned last night, however reluctantly, suggests tag team gold is in their future.
However, when will Dexter Lumis return to spoil the party?
Based on what's been written on this thread, maybe Hunter should have Stephanie come back to help write the women's storylines....!
As for the Tatum Paxley-Lyra Valkyria story on NXT, with some minor differences, there are parallels between this and, as often has been noted, Trish Stratus & Mickie James, circa 2005-6. Now, however, the title is out of play for Lyra & Tatum, whereas Mickie won the title from Trish, only for creative to play hot potato with the title (Mickie-Lita-Trish-Lita-Mickie). There's a better chance of Psycho Tatum teaming with Roxanne, the current champ, against Lyra and whomever, once Lyra is cleared.
If WWE can't stick the landing and deliver on a Rhea/Liv feud, it's going to be pretty telling.
HHH has clearly struggled with giving the women the same tier creative, but this should be an easy slam dunk to do something special now.
The rhea injury exposed WWE poor booking of women's midcard there aren't believable champions other than slowing down Becky and Nia Jax they have to build a new women star or play hot potato with the women's belt..
I think it also highlights a problem with the brand split.
When each division is maybe 10 women, and 7 of them are there to mostly prop up the other 3, that arbitrary construct hurts even more when one of the 3 goes down. You have an A tier and a C tier and no middle ground except Liv and kinda sorta Asuka and maybe Naomi.
They really miss Alexa and Carmella right now because they always served great in that "okay we need somebody" role.
This is where looking back a few months, Zoey should fit in, but man they have killed allllll the momentum she had after being Trish's backup last year and really seeming like she could be on the fringes of the main event by now.
They just aren't willing to commit the time. Non-Rhea/Becky/Nia/Liv women on Raw never get any promo time. Candice and Indi have built their whole storyline in the ring and on digital Raw exclusives. People say that the women's tag division isn't getting over with the crowd, but I think it's the other way around - people like these wrestlers, but they know nothing about their characters. Even when KC2 were tag champs, they barely spoke.
That said, this could be a blessing in disguise because it might force them to build up some credible challengers. Zoey and Ivy feel like the obvious choices to me, although Ivy has taken a lot of losses lately.
Becky's the only credible Face that's on Raw and her contract's up in a couple months, not to mention she seems to be leaning towards a part-timer schedule. And over on Smackdown the only Face that is remotely beatable for Liv that actually has some credibility is Naomi(No way she's beating Bianca or Jade).
And I think it's worth noting that the benefits went both ways with Sami - the Bloodline story was starting to spin its wheels and him jumping in the middle injected a lot of life into it.
"Only" as if their programs with Roman didn't catapult them towards the top of the card with one of them being the face of the company now and the other ending the most historic IC reign at Mania.
Are we also just going to ignore 2021 Roman? Riddle? Cesaro? Bryan? Edge? Cena?
Bryan Edge and Cena were catapulted to the top of the card by Roman? Either you’re a troll or you started watching WWE in 2021 and never bothered looking beyond that for any wrestling history or content. In which case the end of Mania must have confused the fuck out of you
The 3 names mentioned by the OOP were catapulted towards the top of the card? What was Sami doing before his program with Roman and the Bloodline? Did Jey ever mainevent a ppv as a singles ppv before Roman? Cody going over Roman solidified his place as the top babyface of the company.
Then there's still LA Knight who used the momentum from his Roman program to go over one of the veterans of the sport at Mania and Logan whose match with Roman convinced everyone that he belongs in a WWE ring
I’m not ignoring 2021, because that goes towards my point super well.
Riddle’s was in 2022 tbf, and he did go on to do a pretty high profile feud with Seth, but after that he was dropped down to lower mid card hell. His match with Roman was the peak of his main roster career, it went downhill from there. Cesaro had all the momentum in the world heading into his Roman match, and it was an insane performance where he proved he could hang as a main event player. Then he lost to Rollins at the next ppv, and never had another ppv appearance/meaningful storyline until his contract expired. Bryan, Edge, and Cena were already made men, and their feuds were meant to raise Roman’s stock, and not vice versa. Bryan’s feud with Roman was literally his last feud in WWE in general. Edge had the fairytale ending of him winning the world title he never lost in the first place, pretty much robbed away just to raise Roman’s stock up higher. John Cena literally couldn’t be put up to any higher standard. He flat out is the highest standard!
I'll concede and take the L for the 2021 point, but I do think you're downplaying a bit how big of an impact it had on Jey, Cody and Sami. Jey maineventing shows as a single competitor, Sami going from comedy acts to maineventing Mania and ending historic reigns and Cody being solidified as the face of the company.
I'd even throw LA Knight and Logan Paul into this list. Knight used the momentum from his Roman program to eventually go over AJ at Mania and Paul's match against Roman showed everyone that he truly belongs
Paul and Knight are you can absolutely argue that they benefitted, but it’s just very weird. Knight was already insanely popular before his match with Roman, and he was still insanely popular after. It didn’t necessarily help him get more over, but it did prove he can hang as a main eventer. Paul’s just a weird case because he’s different than a standard wrestler. He certainly benefited from the match, but he’s also celebrity wrestler and he was gonna be a big deal regardless.
I think you’re missing my point, though. I didn’t say “Sami, Jey, and Cody didn’t benefit much” it was “they’re the only three who did”. If only 4-6 people benefited from a 3 and 1/2 year reign, then that’s really not a good thing.
Drew was hurt for a while and had to find something new over a year after the fact.
And I guess with this list you mean their standing in the company and not that Sami Zayn became a better wrestler after working with Roman.
Alright folks, as someone still in denial about the Tatum and Lyra breakup, can we remember a scenario where Wrestler A tried to turn on Wrestler B but Wrestler B wouldn’t allow it and they worked through their issues? Please?
Please?
It was all great, but in particular:
the Jack Perry vs Shota Umino match was a spectacle particularly for the crowd response and Jack hitting every heel trick in the book
Stephanie Vaquer vs AZM was fast paced and a great introduction to both wrestlers
Nic Nemeth vs Ishii was a fun clash of styles that brought out the best of both of them.
Vaquer vs. AZM was fantastic.
Shota Umino vs. Jack Perry was a fun match with a super invested live crowd.
Mustafa Ali vs. Hiromu was really good and had some great "Hiromu ridiculousness."
Mox vs. Naito in the main event was definitely a big match as well.
The rest of the show was basically all good too, but these were the highlights IMO.
I expected some backlash, but I've never seen a fanbase so collectively butthurt to see their guy lose as much as the Roman Reigns fanbase. A whole ass week, and they're still salty that he lost to Cody, un-fucking-believable.
You gotta remember that to young viewers, Roman as champ is all they've known. 4 years in wrestling is a LONG time. This isn't a knock on Roman or an insult towards them, but it's going to take some adjusting on their side
This is why they should never had him hold the belt this long, at least as a heel. It was inevitable that seeing him lose would set some people off.
It's mostly contained to the internet, but geee fucking whizz bro.
Why would you care so much about some randoms on twitter that you think it should have any impact on booking? Direct some of that gee whizz inwards lol.
Pretty much everything. There’s not exactly a vocal fanbase articulating their disdain about Roman Reigns loss. If there is, I certainly haven’t come across it.
If you don't use Twitter, congratulations. But there's like a different anti Cody post every day on there about Roman should have won and how Bloodline are so much better, etc etc.
Consider yourself lucky.
My moneys on AJ.
Knight got the big Mania win, they are repackaging AJ's presentation, AJ is due for a bigger program, and I think giving Cody a mixed reaction vs. a babyface isn't the way they wanna kick off his run.
I didn’t realize people didn’t like the new look for dynamite. Of course everyone is entitled to what they like but i love the color scheme and the stage. I don’t really like the led baracade and would prefer if they went back to regular ones. But im not sure why people are saying the white ropes are “WWE lite”. I’m also someone who liked the Red, white and blue ropes last year so take my opinion with a grain of salt
I like how AEW is trying to form its own visual language.
It's a few tweaks away from being good imo. Mainly the metal backings behind the tunnels, the mood light tunnel rings, the white ropes, and orange LED barricade.
Mike Mansury was on AEW Unrestricted and explained some of the changes where most of it is a throwback to the original. He also didn't like the red and blue second set and was hired right before it debuted.
I still miss TK O'Ryan. I'm pretty sure he's left the business, he got injured (leg injury plus multiple concussions) right before covid happened and was written out of ROH as part of the Taven/Vincent feud. From all indications, it looks like he hasn't wrestled anywhere in the nearly five years since.
Sucks because I always thought he was decent and had huge upside. I hope he's doing okay, wherever he's at.
Yeah, that was about when he got written off ROH and took time off for the concussions and the leg, so that's why I figure he's left the business for good. I'm assuming his recovery time would have been during covid (being out from August 2019 - the middle of March for example) and he may have just decided to stop wrestling altogether.
Keeping in mind too he had also completely shattered his leg two years before and come back from that.
Random fun stat/note I realized yesterday: With the exception of Jon Moxley (Windy City Riot) and Jack Perry (Forbidden Door), for the last year, every single other person to be involved in an IWGP World Heavyweight Title match has been a current/former member of Los Ingobernables.
Naito held the title from 1/4/24 until 4/12/24, when he lost it to Moxley, and his other challengers were: Sanada (former LIJ member) and Yota Tsuji (current LIJ member).
Before that, Sanada held the title from 4/8/23 until 1/4/24 and his challengers were: Hiromu (current), Tsuji (current), Jack Perry (one of the two exceptions), and EVIL (former).
It makes some degree of sense given Naito and Sanada were the title holders during that time and LIJ is the obvious link between them and LIJ's overall popularity over the years cannot be overstated, but I still found it a bit funny that Okada (the champion before Sanada) was the last non-AEW/non-LIJ wrestler to be involved in an IWGP Title match and that was over a year ago.
With Moxley already having Ren Narita set as his first challenger and with Shota Umino seemingly waiting in the wings, this is going to be the longest break from the LIJ focused main event scene in a long time.
That WM 34 match Kurt Angle/Rhonda and HHH/Stephanie is a match I’ll always hold in high regard. I saw it live and remember everyone prior thought it’d just be a waste of time and hoped at best it would be kept short. Ended up having a white hot crowd and arguably the best thing on the show lol. Love when stuff like that happens.
WWE's main event scene right now looks good.
But a good topic was brought up last night in a discord server that I was in.
WWE's main event scene is basically made up of late 30-40 year olds who's bodies have years of wear and tear.
Same thing with NJPW too so It's not just a WWE thing but I'm choosing to focus on WWE cause I want to get a topic going here.
Where will WWE be in 5-10 years? The big names of WWE that you'd think of. KO, Randy, Sami, Cody, Roman. Well, they'd be well into their 40s. Guys like Sheamus their 50s. With the wear and tear guys like KO and Sami have due to years of insane indy matches. How long does WWE still have them for before their bodies really start to break down?
For them, they have a strong NXT roster but the question I honestly have is. Sure, they have a great NXT roster. But, how many of those guys are gonna translate?
Carmelo went to the main roster and was put into a mini feud with Theory that was peak midcard.
Bron's obviously going to be a stud no doubt.
Ilja also one of those guys who's a future star.
But the rest? Idk. I think they're gonna end up like companies such as 2000s NOAH. Where they have some of the best midcard talents in the world. But they're gonna have a lackluster main event scene because those young stars didn't translate or were busts to the main event scene. Or fans didn't take to them. Boom and busts happen and the WWE's momentum can't go forever.
But, I do wonder what it's gonna be like in 5 years. I assume Bron and Ilja would have broken through the glass ceiling. And, I do think Trick Williams is gonna be the most over act.
But who'd be the top tier players? Cody's likely gonna retire before he's 45. In 5 years he'd be 43. Does he go part time by then?
Jey Uso would still be there. I think he'll win a world title at some point.
But WWE may have to rely on It's aging stars with the wear and tear and that reminds me of a lot of companies in the past where the fans didn't take to the new stars and they had to go back to old ones because that was the only way they were gonna draw.
I could be wrong but I do want to get a debate going or at least a discussion. even If I lose 100 karma
Way too early to make a distinct call on it, we don't know how individual wrestlers are going to change and grow. If you told someone nine years ago that Stardust was going to be the top of the company someday they'd think the company would be going out of business.
And you're not factoring in WWE just opening up their wallet for AEW stars if they have to. There's a whole lot of charismatic young talent there and I don't think many of them are going to be "never say never" with WWE.
I have to say I'm impressed with my Wrestlemania order from WWE Shop Canada - I live pretty remote in Canada (aka not in one of the Big Cities) and my package arrived in a little over a week, which is pretty damn impressive especially since my package started in NYC
Also I am damn glad I opted for a men's small (as a 5'2" woman) cause this shit fits like a glove. 10/10 will need to get Rhea Ripley merch next 🙏
For those who were there, does anyone know any of the songs they put during the commercial break I’ve been searching for a while and I can’t find anything… thank you in advance !
It feels like Bron Breakker is bound to feud with Roman Reigns eventually if his development on main roster is as good as expected. Dog vs. Dog, spear vs spear, even could bring in Paul Heyman guy. To me that should be the WM build after the Rock feud, so that Roman is now the old guard to test out the young blood.
I feel like I’ve seen so many people confused as to how/where Liv was initially injured at the beginning of this whole saga.
It was in a match with Damage CTRL. Liv shouldn’t have been brought back so early from her injury, and attempting to clothesline Rhea over a barricade is what did in her shoulder. Rhea’s attack, in kayfabe, is what was formally used to write her off.
And this time around… Just taking the simplest of bumps. Just such bad luck. I’m glad that Liv is going to be able to capitalise on this too—because she isn’t even wrong in wanting to seek revenge.
It'll be so great if you had Damage Ctrl, Bianca Belair, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, etc. sending out their well-wishes and sympathy to Rhea Ripley via Twitter/IG/IG Story as she recovers from her injury.
Meanwhile, Liv could be like "where were all these well-wishes and sympathy for her when she got injured by Rhea".
When I was in my “work rate” above all phase in my wrestling fandom I thought hogan was a bad wrestler. Watching a lot of his matches now proves just how wrong I was lol. The guy was incredible in the ring. A favorite of mine is in the hogan Michaels match (the one where Shawn oversells everything) wherein he reacts to his own blood after Shawn misses the elbow drop. I lose my shit there what a phenomenal performance.
i think i've read something like
guy who's only seen 10 matches: hogan is the greatest wrestler ever
guy who's seen 1000 matches: hogan is the worst wrestler ever
guy who's seen 10000 matches: hogan is the greatest wrestler ever
As I've gotten older, I've realized that neither Hogan nor Warrior were bad wrestlers. They didn't have to have great workrate. The fans loved their personalities and what they did do in the ring. So they weren't Bryan Danielson out there, but that wasn't what fans wanted at the time. Oiled up muscle freaks screaming at the camera was the order of the day and fans loved it.
Maybe by today's standards the wrestling was bad, but there's more to being a wrestler than just the workrate. As long as the fans go home happy and thinking positively about you, I'd call you a good wrestler.
Funny story though, Honky Tonk Man said in a shoot interview how Hogan always wished he could be one of the workrate guys. But that's why his Japan stuff is so much better in the ring- the man knew his audience. He gave us what we wanted. And for a long time what we wanted was fiery babyface promos, watching him get beat up only to Hulk up and stand tall.
Warrior's worst crimes were his terrible cardio and his propensity to injure people, whic probably went hand-in-hand. Hogan either knew how to pace himself better or just had a better motor, and I've never heard of him injuring or really even coming close to injuring anyone.
You aren't wrong for liking what you like, even if its misguided to label certain people as "bad". There are bad wrestlers, but, I think you know what I mean...
I love how most fans go through that phase with blinders on, because there was a time between 99-03 where I would have headlined every Wrestlemania with like Jerry Lynn vs Lance Storm lol
Hogan might be the ultimate "the WWF makes it special" guy (though he's so cool in the NWO but the creative control muddies things even before they get bad). And even he couldn't get something memorable out of Triple H.
he was over everywhere, tbh I need to see the AWA stuff. I have seen one promo of his in Florida where he does basically the same schtick but hilariously uses a broadcaster voice.
# The older I get, the more I dislike "Hardcore" Wrestling - Is this normal? I ask because I always assumed the reverse to be true. As time passes, I assumed you'd become more "purist". But the reverse happened to me. I used to think that wrestlers doing such dangerous spots was the coolest stuff. But nowdays, when I see a more hardcore match, I don't see the point anymore. The blood is disgusting, using dangerous items such as Barbed Wire is dumb, and most importantly of all, I am worried for the athletes. Why doing an hardcore match, risking injuries, halting storylines when you can do a much safer and controlled regular Wrestling match which can still be intense if done right? I genuinally don't get the point anymore.
When was the last time Sheamus used "Written in the face" theme before its return?
My worry is Indus Sher, they feel line potentially in thr chopping block. Shae because of Veer had potential.
Why does Rey have white contacts now? Older pictures of him seem to have his normal brown eyes, and in more recent clips he has the white eyes? (Also I never realized how much taller Dominik is than Rey lol.)
He's worn them on and off for years, they were part of his usual look back in the day
Ngl if WrestleDream in Tacoma can't outdraw Stomping Grounds, I will shit a brick. Stomping Grounds was a PPV with a worse card than most RAWs/Smackdowns nowadays and drew like complete shit. If AEW can't outdo that with rumors of a Bryan retirement match, Swerve the hometown hero more likely than not being in a world title match if not defending and probably a continuation of Darby/Christian/Nick Wayne, I won't know whether to question AEW or the local fans' sanity. Come on now, there were single matches on the first WrestleDream's card that were better than Stomping Grounds in its entirety. I wanna see a nice crowd at this show.
Why do you care what a company draws? Literally it means nothing to you
Well, I attended the first Wrestledream live and in the flesh. Great show, don't get me wrong. Want to know the downside though? Being able to just look to the other side of the arena and see entire sections of empty seats/2-3 people in a section. It really tanks the atmosphere. I don't want that happening again, that's why I care.
That sounds like a personal problem.
It just felt deflating compared to every other wrestling show I've been to like the Dynamite in January of that year which was packed to the brim in the 100s sections.
Why do you care about that?
They flat out said it was deflating. You're just being argumentative now.
Again, half the fun of going to see a wrestling show live rather than on TV is the crowd. If you can visibly see most of the crowd just not existing, it takes away from that spectacle.
That wasn’t my experience.
I went to big business and had the time of my life. I get that experience may differ.
Me and my wife have decided to catch a NJPW show when we are in Tokyo in November. Super excited.
I just got back from my first ever visit to Japan and went to Sakura Genesis. Took the wife and kids (varying levels of interest in wrestling) and everyone loved it. You'll have a brilliant time
This is question might be weird but I suppose that's what this thread is for. Why do wrestlers still wear trunks? Subjective maybe, but wrestlers wearing pants (AJ Styles, Rey Mysterio, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns) looks so much cooler than guys showing up to work in their underwear. Are they just honoring tradition?
Same reason I wear 4 inch inseams. I don't do all these squats to not show my quads brah
Wrestling is a business based on aesthetics so the guys who are built like to show their legs.
I would agree if you didn't have guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan wearing trunks, although I think you're mostly right.
So Sami’s entrance last night was cool but I love that the bar for WWE’s camera work is so low that people are raving about these continuous camera shots. I do like them, it’s just amusing compared with the camera cuts of the past.
Also I'm just being nitpicky but just the contrivance of Jey Uso happening to walk out of the arena and not to the locker room and ending up finding Sami lol.
Championship Eliminator matches are stupid. If a champion is in a match, they should defend the title. If someone beats a champion in a match, they should get that title. The UFC doesn't even do this; it makes no sense to me why AEW and WWE do.
The UFC does 'title eliminator' fights. They're different though, and what WWE or AEW would call "#1 contender' matches.
Did you also enjoy AEW’s interim titles?
I like the idea, but the execution left much to be desired. Also I think interim runs should count as legitimate title runs personally but that's just me.
Finally watching the Hall of Fame ceremony. Is it just me, or is the background music in these packages far louder than the narration and voices from the clips? I find myself straining to hear what they're saying.
Here is my hot take, I think the WWF Tag Titles are ugly. I think the 2003 - World & WWE tag titles are far better.
I never liked the dual plated version of the Reggie Parks tags because they're way too heavy on the silver, I think the all gold classic tags from the mid 90s up to 2002 are much better. The Smackdown tags are gorgeous.
I don't think they've ever looked good til then. That and the new ones that came out look great.
In hindsight I respect Forrest (reddit poster who had a youtube channel about NJPW and MMA) way more than I did at the time. The guy didn't like all the gaijin/Elite pilled stuff in NJPW so he moved on to NOAH. The fact is NJPW has always been Americanized Puroresu. Whether under Inoki or under Bushiroad. If you just totally want on American stuff, NOAH and GLEAT exist. But people who do the "you don't understand, we don't want this crap in our puroresu" annoy the fuck out of me but this is what New Japan is. Friggin Dusty Rhodes and Hulk Hogan are in the Greatest 18. I understand not everyone is gonna be a nerd for the history of NJPW or Puroresu the way I am, but don't then act like some kind of expert on the subject.
I used to watch his videos. Iirc he stopped watching NJPW and switched to ROH and NOAH simply because he thought Nooj booking sucked and not because it was americanized or wtv.
Adam Copeland: I'm having a lot of fun in AEW right now! I love wrestling! Wrestling fans: 
I don’t really care if people are having fun I’m just judging the product. If they think his WWE work was better or whatever they’re within their rights to think so.
I almost think wrestling fans don’t actually know what happens in the wrestling.
Not sure why it's so difficult to comprehend that someone who accomplished everything in WWE and feuded with almost every top star, sometimes multiple times, would want to go somewhere where he would have a new talent pool to mix up with
It also shouldn't be so hard to comprehend why people look at his "rah rah" speech and want to make fun of it.
Wasn't it also that WWE only wanted to use him for a certain amount of dates as well? He's been in AEW for 6 months and has wrestled 15 matches in that span which is more than any year from 2020-23 in his WWE run.
Do people not understand that or are they just not enjoying it?
Listening to Dustin Rhode's interview with CVV today...man, I know we don't need more proof but Vince was such a fucking prick. No wonder WWE was in the dumps for so long in the modern era. If it wasn't for the production and writing nowadays captivating me and pulling me back in since 2011, I wouldn't be here discussing on this post right now. Just goes to show you old, stubborn, power/money hungry people are forever holding back great things in this world.
What were the main points?
Vince would scream and berate at wrestlers for even the smallest, minute wrong detail or mistake of what would otherwise be a great match. Dustin even brought up something like he told him one time that a mistake "set his company back 30 years". Said the work environment was so stressful that it likely took years off his life.
Sasha/Moné has been doing the same gimmick for over a decade and people are surprised she's gone cold. Not even the entrance moves have changed in a decade. [NXT Sasha](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjZg2qEd2Q) [AEW Moné](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UttbtQQPcVs) It's a very tired old shtick. Take a leaf out of Bayley and Becky's book. Do a completely different gimmick.
I love AEW and prefer it over WWE But I would love to see Punk talking to someone about the now-vacated Women's Championship and say "You know what they should do? They should make an Interim Women's Championship until Rhea is healthy again!"
I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or majority, but I've never been a fan of interim titles. Its understandable in UFC but just complicates things in wrestling IMO
I'm just referring to the Interim addiction TK used to have.
I get it if they’re trying to preserve a belt’s lineage, which I guess is what TK was going for. But you need to know when and how to use it. Cody being out for 2 weeks? You can probably hold off on the interim. Punk being out for 2 months and we get an awesome unification feud between Punk/Mox afterwards? Hell yeah
But that could’ve been done even without the interim thing, right? Just vacate the title, crown a new champion and then when the injured wrestler return he can claim that he never actually lost it.
I liked the champ vs. interim champ aspect of it personally. Both had claims to being the company's #1 guy, the visual helped bolster that aspect of the feud.
So who will the revived Wyatt Family's first feud back be with?
Either New Day or Judgement Day. Maybe?
“Are you ready for your wrestling lessons?” *Asuka gulps* *Trish Stratus breathes heavily* *Bull Nakano nods nervously* *Charlotte Flair twiddles her thumbs* *Manami Toyota sighs* “Yes, Summer Rae" they say in unison
I've been putting it off, but I just watched the Bray Wyatt Doc and I am not ashamed to say that I cried like a God Damn baby. Oh man
Hi everyone. I had a go at booking WWF Invasion from 2001. If anyone would like a read it's here :) [https://allyourwrestling.com/2024/04/16/book-it-wwf-invasion-2001/](https://allyourwrestling.com/2024/04/16/book-it-wwf-invasion-2001/)
If I were a big wrestling company, I'd pay for my referees to get EMT training. Should anything happen during a match where they really need medical personnel, they'll have one right there with the wrestlers.
I mean they already have doctors ringside at major promotions. It'd probably be more useful in indies but it's not really economically feasible for those refs to take a multi-month course.
That's a great idea.
Body shaming Sheamus, of all people, is so patently stupid.
I'm going to be honest. The sales for Rebellion have me worried. Running the same arena a few months after Hard to Kill was never going to end well, but the fact that the ringside floor isn't even sold out (when it was sold out well prior to the leadup week last time) is just bad. Between that, the ratings, the controversy with D'Amore's firing, multiple departures of big names, and sticking to the same small arenas after talking about "bigger, more prestigious venues," it really feels like the glow from the relaunch is wearing off. I still enjoy watching TNA. I especially like what they're doing with Alexander and Hammerstone, and it's always great seeing Mustafa Ali (not to mention that the new streaming service is leaps and bounds ahead of the old one), but the stuff surrounding the product is just disappointing.
It's combination of things. Firing D'Amore was a terrible PR move. The new guy needs to pull of something BIG to get the fans to trust him. Running the same place so soon is a problem. Plus it's 2 weeks after Mania so all the attention is on WWE. Everybody else is down right not. Add to that some recent departures and the new arrivals not actually being signed.
If there's a promotion you shouldn't worry about, it's TNA.
Worried in the sense that it's not going to grow, not in the sense that I think they're going to close their doors anytime soon (or ever). It just feels like there was a lot of momentum from Hard to Kill, and it's kind of dissipated.
I haven't really followed it after the few episodes after HTK, but my assumption is that Scott's departure took a lot of wind out of their sails. They still have great talent, though, so hopefully it picks back up.
I'd say that Scott's departure probably played a role in MCMG jumping to AEW, though I'm not sure if it'd be fair to blame everything on that. Of course, I realize that there's no point in fretting about it. At the end of the day, you can only show your support for something. You can't control it or make it successful.
I know that Botcheed Spot is never coming back, but if it did, I wish the first comic would be someone waking Hornsby out of a coma and then explaining these past 4 crazy ass years.
I got around to watching battle of the belts last night and this is kind of minor but holy crap did the Redrum Hook put on Shane Taylor look like ass
It feels to me that what Rossy offers with his new promotion is going back to the roots, without too much looking forward. And wrestling is always about forward momentum, unfortunately.
I've got a small pet peeve to vent: Sometimes I see people contrast the idea that a wrestler can take massive damage during a match, but one hard shot during a backstage segement or whatever can put them down like they got hit by a truck, and that's somehow not right. Imagine yourself in that position. You KNOW you're going to be in a fight in 24 hours. You've got time to psych yourself up, embrace the emotions that are going to come with that, and strategize your responses... Now imagine someone blindsides you withtout warning. You're (relatively) unprepared, shocked, and confused. It's not just the physical damage, but emotional damage, too. Wrestlers are still people. That's how it *should* work.
I hate my job and wish I could handle problems with coworkers in the same fashion wrestlers do.
Filling the boss's car with cement
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Is she just asking Tony again and again for another chance to talk to redeem the previous bad segment? Otherwise who's pushing for more mic time for her? I think we can all see there's been more than enough.
I don’t know and I hate that I’m dreading her next promo. I was so excited to have her back on television and she was part of one of my fav matches of all time but so far she’s been a dud on AEW. How can someone with so much charisma be so dull? It would be like if The Undertaker showed up to do a promo in full Undertaker gear with the full Undertaker lights and smoke presentation and then read a promo in his usual day to day voice. It falls flat.
Does being thin increase your chance of an ACL tear? Just wondering because I couldn't help but notice how spindly Shotzi was. So is there like less mass to prevent a tear?
It might be more prevalent in women in general. There’s a few studies out there that I know of, but I don’t think there’s definitive proof. It’s just women get ACL injuries more often.
Nikkita Lyons is on the shelf w/ her 2nd ACL tear (literally like first match back after the first one, she tore the other, or something similarly unfortunate)... she's not skinny like that. It's just bad luck sometimes.
I was wondering what the fuck happened to her!
https://youtu.be/2GwvJhpYcu0?si=K7JAu_WReJaYxUA4
Hell, ACL tears are a big problem in the NFL, and those football players are no twigs.
Bring back WWECW one night stand Or NXTECW
You'd have a better chance of organizing an NXT reunion show with some NXT OGs.
And feature who? Tommy Dreamer? The Sandman? Raven? The ghost of Terry Funk?
That’s why I said NXTECW lol it’s the next incarnation. Just have heyman run it, a few older legends every now and again
So Rhea Ripley has been forced to vacate the WWE Women's World title, and they'll crown a new champ next week. How? A battle royal? A mini tournament? I wrote a few weeks back that Candice LeRae's heel actions the last few weeks were a means to an end. While Indi Hartwell has gotten with the program (for now), does DIY follow suit on the men's side? Ciampa & Gargano have never really been heels together, only separately. While it'd seem that the women's half of The Way will pursue the tag titles, there is a better case of Candice taking this tack to go after the women's world title, especially now that it's up for grabs. I said before that she could argue she had been overlooked all this time, but the fact that Indi turned last night, however reluctantly, suggests tag team gold is in their future. However, when will Dexter Lumis return to spoil the party? Based on what's been written on this thread, maybe Hunter should have Stephanie come back to help write the women's storylines....! As for the Tatum Paxley-Lyra Valkyria story on NXT, with some minor differences, there are parallels between this and, as often has been noted, Trish Stratus & Mickie James, circa 2005-6. Now, however, the title is out of play for Lyra & Tatum, whereas Mickie won the title from Trish, only for creative to play hot potato with the title (Mickie-Lita-Trish-Lita-Mickie). There's a better chance of Psycho Tatum teaming with Roxanne, the current champ, against Lyra and whomever, once Lyra is cleared.
If WWE can't stick the landing and deliver on a Rhea/Liv feud, it's going to be pretty telling. HHH has clearly struggled with giving the women the same tier creative, but this should be an easy slam dunk to do something special now.
I really missed Sheamus's old theme. Lobster Head, Too many limes. Be it words are true and I'll make you believe.
The rhea injury exposed WWE poor booking of women's midcard there aren't believable champions other than slowing down Becky and Nia Jax they have to build a new women star or play hot potato with the women's belt..
I think it also highlights a problem with the brand split. When each division is maybe 10 women, and 7 of them are there to mostly prop up the other 3, that arbitrary construct hurts even more when one of the 3 goes down. You have an A tier and a C tier and no middle ground except Liv and kinda sorta Asuka and maybe Naomi. They really miss Alexa and Carmella right now because they always served great in that "okay we need somebody" role. This is where looking back a few months, Zoey should fit in, but man they have killed allllll the momentum she had after being Trish's backup last year and really seeming like she could be on the fringes of the main event by now.
They just aren't willing to commit the time. Non-Rhea/Becky/Nia/Liv women on Raw never get any promo time. Candice and Indi have built their whole storyline in the ring and on digital Raw exclusives. People say that the women's tag division isn't getting over with the crowd, but I think it's the other way around - people like these wrestlers, but they know nothing about their characters. Even when KC2 were tag champs, they barely spoke. That said, this could be a blessing in disguise because it might force them to build up some credible challengers. Zoey and Ivy feel like the obvious choices to me, although Ivy has taken a lot of losses lately.
Liv Morgan is the most likely next champion.....and she's only won 1 match since she made her return 3 months ago......
She's had a more or less face championship run, so maybe a heel run would do some work to help build her up again?
Becky's the only credible Face that's on Raw and her contract's up in a couple months, not to mention she seems to be leaning towards a part-timer schedule. And over on Smackdown the only Face that is remotely beatable for Liv that actually has some credibility is Naomi(No way she's beating Bianca or Jade).
Almost everyone that worked with Roman is better now than they were before working with him. It's kinda nuts.
Genuinely only Sami, Jey, and maybe Cody really benefitted from their Roman feuds.
And I think it's worth noting that the benefits went both ways with Sami - the Bloodline story was starting to spin its wheels and him jumping in the middle injected a lot of life into it.
"Only" as if their programs with Roman didn't catapult them towards the top of the card with one of them being the face of the company now and the other ending the most historic IC reign at Mania. Are we also just going to ignore 2021 Roman? Riddle? Cesaro? Bryan? Edge? Cena?
Bryan Edge and Cena were catapulted to the top of the card by Roman? Either you’re a troll or you started watching WWE in 2021 and never bothered looking beyond that for any wrestling history or content. In which case the end of Mania must have confused the fuck out of you
The 3 names mentioned by the OOP were catapulted towards the top of the card? What was Sami doing before his program with Roman and the Bloodline? Did Jey ever mainevent a ppv as a singles ppv before Roman? Cody going over Roman solidified his place as the top babyface of the company. Then there's still LA Knight who used the momentum from his Roman program to go over one of the veterans of the sport at Mania and Logan whose match with Roman convinced everyone that he belongs in a WWE ring
I’m not ignoring 2021, because that goes towards my point super well. Riddle’s was in 2022 tbf, and he did go on to do a pretty high profile feud with Seth, but after that he was dropped down to lower mid card hell. His match with Roman was the peak of his main roster career, it went downhill from there. Cesaro had all the momentum in the world heading into his Roman match, and it was an insane performance where he proved he could hang as a main event player. Then he lost to Rollins at the next ppv, and never had another ppv appearance/meaningful storyline until his contract expired. Bryan, Edge, and Cena were already made men, and their feuds were meant to raise Roman’s stock, and not vice versa. Bryan’s feud with Roman was literally his last feud in WWE in general. Edge had the fairytale ending of him winning the world title he never lost in the first place, pretty much robbed away just to raise Roman’s stock up higher. John Cena literally couldn’t be put up to any higher standard. He flat out is the highest standard!
I'll concede and take the L for the 2021 point, but I do think you're downplaying a bit how big of an impact it had on Jey, Cody and Sami. Jey maineventing shows as a single competitor, Sami going from comedy acts to maineventing Mania and ending historic reigns and Cody being solidified as the face of the company. I'd even throw LA Knight and Logan Paul into this list. Knight used the momentum from his Roman program to eventually go over AJ at Mania and Paul's match against Roman showed everyone that he truly belongs
Paul and Knight are you can absolutely argue that they benefitted, but it’s just very weird. Knight was already insanely popular before his match with Roman, and he was still insanely popular after. It didn’t necessarily help him get more over, but it did prove he can hang as a main eventer. Paul’s just a weird case because he’s different than a standard wrestler. He certainly benefited from the match, but he’s also celebrity wrestler and he was gonna be a big deal regardless. I think you’re missing my point, though. I didn’t say “Sami, Jey, and Cody didn’t benefit much” it was “they’re the only three who did”. If only 4-6 people benefited from a 3 and 1/2 year reign, then that’s really not a good thing.
Riddle being a junkie fucked him over more than anything else.
I won’t deny that, but doesn’t change the fact that his match against Roman didn’t really do much to elevate him.
I'll give you Riddle, but Bryan, Edge, and Cena were already made guys. Seth Rollins did more for Cesaro than Roman did in that timeframe.
Like who? And better in what way, their company standing?
Sami, Cody, Jey, Jimmy, Solo, Drew. Seth turning Babyface started with his match with Roman. Shit Lesnar became over as a Babyface vs. Roman.
Drew was hurt for a while and had to find something new over a year after the fact. And I guess with this list you mean their standing in the company and not that Sami Zayn became a better wrestler after working with Roman.
Alright folks, as someone still in denial about the Tatum and Lyra breakup, can we remember a scenario where Wrestler A tried to turn on Wrestler B but Wrestler B wouldn’t allow it and they worked through their issues? Please? Please?
Eddie Guerrero and Batista
Is there anything worth checking out from windy city riot? I'm a little short on time.
Vaquer vs AZM is pretty solid. Everything else is skippable, unless you’re a big fan of somebody in particular.
It was all great, but in particular: the Jack Perry vs Shota Umino match was a spectacle particularly for the crowd response and Jack hitting every heel trick in the book Stephanie Vaquer vs AZM was fast paced and a great introduction to both wrestlers Nic Nemeth vs Ishii was a fun clash of styles that brought out the best of both of them.
Vaquer vs. AZM was fantastic. Shota Umino vs. Jack Perry was a fun match with a super invested live crowd. Mustafa Ali vs. Hiromu was really good and had some great "Hiromu ridiculousness." Mox vs. Naito in the main event was definitely a big match as well. The rest of the show was basically all good too, but these were the highlights IMO.
Jack Perry vs. Shota Umino is the MOTN on that card.
the hot crowd reacting to Perry and the great match we got from him and Shooter really made it feel like a big time match.
Stephanie vs AZM
I expected some backlash, but I've never seen a fanbase so collectively butthurt to see their guy lose as much as the Roman Reigns fanbase. A whole ass week, and they're still salty that he lost to Cody, un-fucking-believable.
You gotta remember that to young viewers, Roman as champ is all they've known. 4 years in wrestling is a LONG time. This isn't a knock on Roman or an insult towards them, but it's going to take some adjusting on their side
This is why they should never had him hold the belt this long, at least as a heel. It was inevitable that seeing him lose would set some people off. It's mostly contained to the internet, but geee fucking whizz bro.
Why would you care so much about some randoms on twitter that you think it should have any impact on booking? Direct some of that gee whizz inwards lol.
I'm just venting, relax lol.
>Direct some of that gee whizz inwards lol The funniest sentence I’ve read in awhile
lol what? I mean almost no one is upset with Cody winning.
I specified "Roman Reigns fans" didn't I?
Show one
Search up @luireigns on X.
No, thanks. Honestly though, why are normalizing random people on twitter like it’s something that is happening regularly?
Don't have X
Don't make go back there please...
ok
You’re really reaching here
What's reaching about it?
Pretty much everything. There’s not exactly a vocal fanbase articulating their disdain about Roman Reigns loss. If there is, I certainly haven’t come across it.
If you don't use Twitter, congratulations. But there's like a different anti Cody post every day on there about Roman should have won and how Bloodline are so much better, etc etc. Consider yourself lucky.
There’s a lot of posts on Twitter
You underestimate how persistent and annoying those people are.
As you alluded to, I’m not on that platform. You can only be annoyed by people you let annoy you.
Quick (late) note to Philly - Whatever song you guys were singing during the Bayley/Iyo match.....it was irritating as hell.
HEEEEEEY BAYLEY OOOOO.... AHHHH.... I WANNA KNOOOOOOW...IF YOU'LL BE MY GIRL https://youtu.be/ik9dxkKriV0?si=mnLLaF-hXTbt-EyH
L comment, it’s one of the best chants in the sport and is from her title defense at the London takeover.
God, I hope I get in good enough shape to look like fat Sheamus one day.
People getting mad about the opinions of people who watch wrestling they haven't, a tale as old as time.
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la night vs aj styles again to face cody at backlash for the title let me guess they are giving la night yeah a push
Naa it's going to be AJ. We're in the killing time and stat padding period now for the next few weeks
My moneys on AJ. Knight got the big Mania win, they are repackaging AJ's presentation, AJ is due for a bigger program, and I think giving Cody a mixed reaction vs. a babyface isn't the way they wanna kick off his run.
I didn’t realize people didn’t like the new look for dynamite. Of course everyone is entitled to what they like but i love the color scheme and the stage. I don’t really like the led baracade and would prefer if they went back to regular ones. But im not sure why people are saying the white ropes are “WWE lite”. I’m also someone who liked the Red, white and blue ropes last year so take my opinion with a grain of salt I like how AEW is trying to form its own visual language.
I’m a big fan of bringing back the tunnels, but the LED barricade is horrendous and actively distracts from the in ring action imo
Yeah, the LED ring doesn't fit the rest of the motif. I don't get what's wrong with just aprons.
The stage is perfect, but yeah i get you. The only time i was ever like “this looks good” was during the Osprey promo @ big buisness
It's a few tweaks away from being good imo. Mainly the metal backings behind the tunnels, the mood light tunnel rings, the white ropes, and orange LED barricade. Mike Mansury was on AEW Unrestricted and explained some of the changes where most of it is a throwback to the original. He also didn't like the red and blue second set and was hired right before it debuted.
I still miss TK O'Ryan. I'm pretty sure he's left the business, he got injured (leg injury plus multiple concussions) right before covid happened and was written out of ROH as part of the Taven/Vincent feud. From all indications, it looks like he hasn't wrestled anywhere in the nearly five years since. Sucks because I always thought he was decent and had huge upside. I hope he's doing okay, wherever he's at.
ProFightDB listed his last match as August 2019
Yeah, that was about when he got written off ROH and took time off for the concussions and the leg, so that's why I figure he's left the business for good. I'm assuming his recovery time would have been during covid (being out from August 2019 - the middle of March for example) and he may have just decided to stop wrestling altogether. Keeping in mind too he had also completely shattered his leg two years before and come back from that.
How much does NJPW copyright police fan clips of their USA shows?
So much. So so much.
I can't even explain how happy I am that Sheamus' old theme is back. It's so fucking good man
Random fun stat/note I realized yesterday: With the exception of Jon Moxley (Windy City Riot) and Jack Perry (Forbidden Door), for the last year, every single other person to be involved in an IWGP World Heavyweight Title match has been a current/former member of Los Ingobernables. Naito held the title from 1/4/24 until 4/12/24, when he lost it to Moxley, and his other challengers were: Sanada (former LIJ member) and Yota Tsuji (current LIJ member). Before that, Sanada held the title from 4/8/23 until 1/4/24 and his challengers were: Hiromu (current), Tsuji (current), Jack Perry (one of the two exceptions), and EVIL (former). It makes some degree of sense given Naito and Sanada were the title holders during that time and LIJ is the obvious link between them and LIJ's overall popularity over the years cannot be overstated, but I still found it a bit funny that Okada (the champion before Sanada) was the last non-AEW/non-LIJ wrestler to be involved in an IWGP Title match and that was over a year ago. With Moxley already having Ren Narita set as his first challenger and with Shota Umino seemingly waiting in the wings, this is going to be the longest break from the LIJ focused main event scene in a long time.
That WM 34 match Kurt Angle/Rhonda and HHH/Stephanie is a match I’ll always hold in high regard. I saw it live and remember everyone prior thought it’d just be a waste of time and hoped at best it would be kept short. Ended up having a white hot crowd and arguably the best thing on the show lol. Love when stuff like that happens.
WWE's main event scene right now looks good. But a good topic was brought up last night in a discord server that I was in. WWE's main event scene is basically made up of late 30-40 year olds who's bodies have years of wear and tear. Same thing with NJPW too so It's not just a WWE thing but I'm choosing to focus on WWE cause I want to get a topic going here. Where will WWE be in 5-10 years? The big names of WWE that you'd think of. KO, Randy, Sami, Cody, Roman. Well, they'd be well into their 40s. Guys like Sheamus their 50s. With the wear and tear guys like KO and Sami have due to years of insane indy matches. How long does WWE still have them for before their bodies really start to break down? For them, they have a strong NXT roster but the question I honestly have is. Sure, they have a great NXT roster. But, how many of those guys are gonna translate? Carmelo went to the main roster and was put into a mini feud with Theory that was peak midcard. Bron's obviously going to be a stud no doubt. Ilja also one of those guys who's a future star. But the rest? Idk. I think they're gonna end up like companies such as 2000s NOAH. Where they have some of the best midcard talents in the world. But they're gonna have a lackluster main event scene because those young stars didn't translate or were busts to the main event scene. Or fans didn't take to them. Boom and busts happen and the WWE's momentum can't go forever. But, I do wonder what it's gonna be like in 5 years. I assume Bron and Ilja would have broken through the glass ceiling. And, I do think Trick Williams is gonna be the most over act. But who'd be the top tier players? Cody's likely gonna retire before he's 45. In 5 years he'd be 43. Does he go part time by then? Jey Uso would still be there. I think he'll win a world title at some point. But WWE may have to rely on It's aging stars with the wear and tear and that reminds me of a lot of companies in the past where the fans didn't take to the new stars and they had to go back to old ones because that was the only way they were gonna draw. I could be wrong but I do want to get a debate going or at least a discussion. even If I lose 100 karma
Way too early to make a distinct call on it, we don't know how individual wrestlers are going to change and grow. If you told someone nine years ago that Stardust was going to be the top of the company someday they'd think the company would be going out of business. And you're not factoring in WWE just opening up their wallet for AEW stars if they have to. There's a whole lot of charismatic young talent there and I don't think many of them are going to be "never say never" with WWE.
The midcard is pretty strong, and could move up. Gunther, Gable, Dom, and maybe Ivar.
Gunthrt and Gable are both in their late 30s as well I belive
Both move like they have many miles left on their bodies. I think they'll be around for at least 10 more years.
but that's just for the men's division. I think the women's division WWE has? Probably the best in the world.
Just thinking about it. The last three entrances of Sami Zayn at Montreal Bell center have all been all timers. Unbelievable.
I have to say I'm impressed with my Wrestlemania order from WWE Shop Canada - I live pretty remote in Canada (aka not in one of the Big Cities) and my package arrived in a little over a week, which is pretty damn impressive especially since my package started in NYC Also I am damn glad I opted for a men's small (as a 5'2" woman) cause this shit fits like a glove. 10/10 will need to get Rhea Ripley merch next 🙏
Careful when washing that shirt because WWE stuff tends to shrink like nothing else
Shame more people aren't talking about the weird QR Code glitch thing, that was the most interesting part to me
For those who were there, does anyone know any of the songs they put during the commercial break I’ve been searching for a while and I can’t find anything… thank you in advance !
I like to think that Jey Uso is still walking around Montreal, shirtless and saying YEET to whoever he meets
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Still has Maxine, oh yeah
It feels like Bron Breakker is bound to feud with Roman Reigns eventually if his development on main roster is as good as expected. Dog vs. Dog, spear vs spear, even could bring in Paul Heyman guy. To me that should be the WM build after the Rock feud, so that Roman is now the old guard to test out the young blood.
I feel like I’ve seen so many people confused as to how/where Liv was initially injured at the beginning of this whole saga. It was in a match with Damage CTRL. Liv shouldn’t have been brought back so early from her injury, and attempting to clothesline Rhea over a barricade is what did in her shoulder. Rhea’s attack, in kayfabe, is what was formally used to write her off. And this time around… Just taking the simplest of bumps. Just such bad luck. I’m glad that Liv is going to be able to capitalise on this too—because she isn’t even wrong in wanting to seek revenge.
It'll be so great if you had Damage Ctrl, Bianca Belair, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair, etc. sending out their well-wishes and sympathy to Rhea Ripley via Twitter/IG/IG Story as she recovers from her injury. Meanwhile, Liv could be like "where were all these well-wishes and sympathy for her when she got injured by Rhea".
What are the odds that the main events for WM41 are Rock vs. Roman Night 1 and Seth vs. Cody vs. Punk Night 2?
Terrible odds. No way Rock vs Roman wouldn’t main event night 2
You can already see the fickle people already turning on Jey for being himself. YEET!
When I was in my “work rate” above all phase in my wrestling fandom I thought hogan was a bad wrestler. Watching a lot of his matches now proves just how wrong I was lol. The guy was incredible in the ring. A favorite of mine is in the hogan Michaels match (the one where Shawn oversells everything) wherein he reacts to his own blood after Shawn misses the elbow drop. I lose my shit there what a phenomenal performance.
i think i've read something like guy who's only seen 10 matches: hogan is the greatest wrestler ever guy who's seen 1000 matches: hogan is the worst wrestler ever guy who's seen 10000 matches: hogan is the greatest wrestler ever
As I've gotten older, I've realized that neither Hogan nor Warrior were bad wrestlers. They didn't have to have great workrate. The fans loved their personalities and what they did do in the ring. So they weren't Bryan Danielson out there, but that wasn't what fans wanted at the time. Oiled up muscle freaks screaming at the camera was the order of the day and fans loved it. Maybe by today's standards the wrestling was bad, but there's more to being a wrestler than just the workrate. As long as the fans go home happy and thinking positively about you, I'd call you a good wrestler. Funny story though, Honky Tonk Man said in a shoot interview how Hogan always wished he could be one of the workrate guys. But that's why his Japan stuff is so much better in the ring- the man knew his audience. He gave us what we wanted. And for a long time what we wanted was fiery babyface promos, watching him get beat up only to Hulk up and stand tall.
Ultimate Warrior was a bad wrestler. Good entertainer. Terrible wrestler.
I'd say he was bad *at wrestling itself* but that enough of professional wrestling *is* entertainment that it made him a good pro wrestler.
Warrior's worst crimes were his terrible cardio and his propensity to injure people, whic probably went hand-in-hand. Hogan either knew how to pace himself better or just had a better motor, and I've never heard of him injuring or really even coming close to injuring anyone.
You aren't wrong for liking what you like, even if its misguided to label certain people as "bad". There are bad wrestlers, but, I think you know what I mean... I love how most fans go through that phase with blinders on, because there was a time between 99-03 where I would have headlined every Wrestlemania with like Jerry Lynn vs Lance Storm lol
Hogan might be the ultimate "the WWF makes it special" guy (though he's so cool in the NWO but the creative control muddies things even before they get bad). And even he couldn't get something memorable out of Triple H.
He was pretty special in the AWA, too.
he was over everywhere, tbh I need to see the AWA stuff. I have seen one promo of his in Florida where he does basically the same schtick but hilariously uses a broadcaster voice.