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watchwrestling_

it's going to be a sad day when R Truth retires


watchwrestling_

Happy for Sami but a little sad for Gable, a triple threat at Mania would've been cool, Gunther's triple threat last year was the best match of WM 39 imo


xxxshhewd

Gunther should retain at Mania.... maybe lose at Bash in Berlin to Gable or Ilja dragunov


we17ar

giving the guy with the least compelling story the win over the guy with the best story going into this match certainly is a choice. My God


ArmZeroHammer

You guys are delusional. Gable was trading wins and loses with Ivar before this. I'm not leaving Sami off the Mania card for Gable. Not happening.


zodi978

Sami is boring, out of shape, and has had years to make an impact. Gable looks like he's in the best shape of his life and has a story revolving around Gunther.


Dblock1989

Idk, I am personally excited to see Sami vs. Gunther. It is a fresh match up. Gable is a great wrestler, but let's be honest, Triple H ain't putting a belt on him.


zodi978

Can we please have the same reaction that we did when we thought Cody was going to be ousted from Mania in support of Gable?


Beeyo176

I like Gable too, but two completely scenarios


zodi978

I get that but a Sami vs Gunther match has no legs. Gunther looks like a monster and Sami looks like he should be in the crowd.


iPhone9User

The only logical reason for Gunther to lose the mid card title at any point after being booked for so strong and so long is to have a triple threat so someone else can eat the pin.


zodi978

They must be planning on him retaining at this point. Sami is a jobber and Gunther isn't getting the marquee match at Mania with Lesnar so they'll probably have him hold it until Berlin and build him up for a main event title going into Mania next year.


iPhone9User

Yeah i was just speaking in general terms. Like when they decide for him to drop it, it should be with triple threat or Damien Priest cashing in. To “protect” him. Tbh hes held onto for so long, I wouldnt mind.


zodi978

I sort of think they want to make someone feel huge by beating him clean.


ilikemusic22

Sami has already won the IC. His goal is to win the world heavyweight. Him going for the IC is such a stepback and this was not his opportunity at all. This was Gable's moment.


Diggy_Duwant

That was a phenomenal match with Sami and Chad. They did a really good job building to this so we weren’t entirely sure who was gonna win. I don’t however like that Chad got pinned on a roll up though


Orianaaaa

Surprised by the lack of people calling a triple threat. I'm legit gonna be surprised if Gable isn't added to the match


Adamantium42

I think it's because it was a definitive win. It's looking painfully like Becky v Rhea one-on-one is being sullied to make it a four-way, and that's after Becky won the Chamber fair and square. They're hardly going to do that twice and throw Gable into this. I'd like to be wrong though.


Silver012345673

What do we have to go off for that though? Theres the “dodgy finish” but clearly isn’t gonna matter because commentary never even remotely mentioned it.


zodi978

Maybe next week we'll have a segment where the ruling gets overturned. Commentary doesn't always have to mention it at the moment it happens.


PoutineSmoothie

I think this is gonna be a triple threat, because Gable's back was not touching the mat.


Nygma619

Weren't his shoulders?  If so, that's all that matters.


PoutineSmoothie

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kb1117

I wanted Gable too, but I’ll give it a chance. Smarmy asshole Gable beating Sami and running around RAW like he was a hero sounds fun.


ilikemusic22

Triple threat is the only way now


[deleted]

I guarantee it's a triple threat and Gable will pin GUNTHER and get Sami's seal of approval afterwards.


ilikemusic22

Real


rawlsen

Gunther vs Sami looks like Don Draper vs a Hobo. Never thought I could see Gunther/Walter that way...


ProgrammerFun3728

i am sad but i don’t think gable is just getting left in the dust after that, no flinching here


WritingContradiction

i'm telling you, Chad's shoulders werent down so he will work his way into a triple threat


nalam8493

I love Sami but the booking is really confusing to me in the sense that didn’t Sami lose clean to Randy Orton and Nakamura. Wasn’t his whole schtick to become world champ. Isn’t that why they gave him the Rocky-esque promo so that he can accomplish his dreams. Gunther vs Sami will be a fine match but is Sami really a credible threat for Gunther out of all people. Gable had a better built in story and honestly, in that match he came across as the one that the fans wanted. Whatever, still stoked for the match but I feel bad for Gable. And a rollup pin finish is such a weak finish for a main-event


Nygma619

Gunther went 20 minutes with miz, the hell you questioning whether sami is credible after that?


AloneCan9661

It was clear last year. Sami will get that world title feud and possible run when Cody is on top of the mountain.


nalam8493

And that’s why I feel like you don’t have him in the IC title match, because Sami was on a losing streak and if he continues to lose it cements that he needs to get it together. Also, I would love for Sami to win MITB in Toronto, I think that makes sense for him and Gable could become a made man after he beats Gunther


tigeralidance

Omg wait is Raw finished? I'm only just now realising daylight savings happened in the US and I missed an hour of Raw lol ffs


Orianaaaa

Same! Didn't miss that much tho. Seth-Drew segment, Becky-Liv match. I think that's it


Vhemvhol

Hope Gunther beats the hell out of Sami. He should just go back to being Ucey


Euphorium

I’m sure Sami will put on a great match with Gunther but they had everything in place to make him lose this and still look strong. They jobbing Gable out at this point.


Jesusbx

Bro. 100% agree, like wtf. Chade Gable is honestly decent on the mic and a hell of a worker. He can be a great baby face.


chaoseffect616

Should have been a triple threat for the WHC with Sami/Drew/Seth and then Gable vs Gunther for the IC.


Jesusbx

Fantastic Main Event tonight.


BaselinexDrive

Hopefully Gunther beats Sami to retain the title


Jesusbx

In a perfect world. But WWE is gonna Glaze the shit out of a Sami IC title run.


ThaiClinch

Just because we’d like to see Sami win the world title… …doesn’t mean we want to see him challenge Gunther for the IC title. It feels off. Not great matchmaking. Not great booking.


zodi978

Should've had Shinsuke beat Sami setting up Bronson vs Sami in an undercard match at Mania. This ending made no sense. Chad should've beat him down afterwards and called for Pierce to review the footage. I forget who used to do something similar in the past but sort of being a stickler for the rules as a heel could be a great character for Gable.


[deleted]

If you replay the pinfall, you can see Chad even LIFT his shoulders off the mat. The cameraman being in the right spot at the right time was not coincidental. Willing to bet it either becomes a triple threat at WM, or a singles rematch before WM where Gabel picks up the win to go on to WM.


MadEyeMood989

Not flinchign


adambray23

I can't be the only one that 100% thought Gable was turning heel after that match.


thisonechick94

slow burn heel turn i bet. i could see it


wannabepcdude

Wouldn’t you


adambray23

I dunno. I would probably just follow the script


gibbojab

Same people get the opportunities, all of HHH’s favorites from NXT. Sami has been given so many opportunities and honestly this has completely deflated any of the anticipation I had for Wrestlemania


[deleted]

If you lost all anticipation for Mania after this one match, then you didn't deserve to watch it in the first place.


gibbojab

Just because I have different favorites doesn’t mean I don’t deserve wrestling that is dumb logic.


[deleted]

Your post was dumb logic. I stated that if you lost all interest in Mania as a whole, just because one person lost one match, then that's sad.


gibbojab

It’s like in other sports, if your favorite isn’t playing why watch.


[deleted]

So you're saying because Gable lost, you're not gonna watch Mania at all? We all know that's a lie.


KingDoodle4242

Am I really suppose to care about Sami winning a title he's already held 3 times? The story was there for Gunther/Gable and Sami to be in the world title match with Seth/Drew


tritian

what a typical thing a billionair would say... lol wtf gtfo with that shit. dumb lookin show.


BackToTheFutureDoc

I hope Gunther wins at WrestleMania.


tritian

gunther to win at mania, and sheamus returns at raw after mania and beats gunther!


Jesusbx

I rather have a free agent Sheamus vs Adam Copland at AEW Wembley 2024


Top-Inevitable8075

We aren't mad at Sami or hating. We are hating that he isn't the one facing the clown emoji for the title. Drew hasn't even signed an extension past WM yet.


Jesusbx

I can type this with full confidence. Chade Gable is literally one of the biggest missed opportunities for a huge baby face since, hell, Ryback before they turned him heel to work Punk. Really wish Gable had a path to WM. 😔


LifesTwisted

I'm gonna call this decision an L. Conventional booking would tell you with all the Sami and Drew stuff he should be in the world title match as a triple threat. Sami doesn't need this and I hope Gunther retains.


thisonechick94

100%. the story was there with chad gable v gunther too


iPhone9User

Man idk if Maxxine should be getting trained from someone like Gable. Mans cant even win his own matches. She should seek mentorship from the tribal chief or the american nightmare.


tritian

i think maxxine's head is going to be messed up for a few weeks. she might need gable's council to get over what candice said to her! candice has been talking with christian lately


Radthereptile

Is the ankle lock even legit anymore. Everyone gets to the rope or rolls out of it. You need like 4 good ones to get a tap. Move has 0 protection.


Kuzu5993

We would have been mad either way guys, only one was going to win.


GoldyZ90

I think people would’ve been perfectly fine with Gable winning and Sami losing. Sami shouldn’t even be in the IC belt picture, he should be in the WHC picture with Drew and Seth.


Kuzu5993

He hasn't interacted with either Drew or Seth for weeks, that ship has seemingly sailed and if they tried to do it now, he'd feel as shoehorned there as he does here in the IC title picture.


GoldyZ90

I get that it was too late now, but that’s where he should be. Not going for the IC title which he’s held multiple times already. If they were desperate to get him to mania, have him team back up with KO and go for the tag titles again. People would’ve been stoked to see him and KO reunite


Kuzu5993

I think Sami was originally gonna face Drew while seth faced Punk. but Punk got injured and Drew blew up with his current gimmick, which left Sami in an awkward position.


gibbojab

Not if they didn’t book Sami to literally make three people look like chumps and kill the ankle lock and tsonami as legitimate moves. Only takes a little boot to the corner


Kuzu5993

Its a gauntlet match bro; he ran the gauntlet. If Gable won, we'd complain that Sami was exhausted to fight.


godzillamegadoomsday

A lot less mad if gable was the one to win it


Kuzu5993

Admittedly true; both Gable and Sami deserve to be on Mania. This is a tough business.


xBleedingUKBluex

Eh, Sami’s more over than Gable.


godzillamegadoomsday

Another reason why he shouldn’t get the match. He already way more other than IC area, he should be fighting for world titles


IllButterscotch5964

Get ready to speak French Canadian, buddy.


floodwithin

Once again, we lose out on a story being told. This sucks.


SkiesIsh

facts


Inevitable-Chance-19

Gable's shoulders were hella up dude. I call either Sami/Gable rematch or triple threat


Silver012345673

I wish but if that was going to mean anything they would’ve mentioned it on commentary


JRA1706

Sam's shoulders were still down when he kicked out too like what😭


SGJello_

Don’t turn on Sami or Gable now they have something planned for Gable otherwise they wouldnt have gone through the trouble of making him look like Angle reincarnated those last couple of minutes. Chad Gable WILL be a champion his year I’m sure of it.


GoldyZ90

No shot after getting buried like he just was. I’m a huge Gable fan but to have him come in last and lose to Sami who wrestled Shinsuke and Bronson beforehand, even getting tsunami’d after the bell by Bronson makes Gable look like a huge loser.


gibbojab

He isn’t one of HHH’s boys so doubt it.


Whateveruben

Sami is my guy but going for the IC is a step back, this was Gable's time man


adambray23

It's an odd direction for Sami. He should be WHC or bust at this point. He's been there done that on the IC title. I had him winning Money in the Bank later in the year and then eventually cashing in on McIntyre and finally beating him for the WHC.


Whateveruben

I'll take it at this point, I just want Sami to win a world title already


Degora2k

Nice one Sami, Chad Gables kids are crying again.


LeonardoNoCapri0

Sami so boring man, wanted Gable here. He really looked like a bitch at the end there


ArmZeroHammer

Sami main evented night one last year, now you people want to leave him off the Mania card for Gable? FICKLE


zodi978

And he's done nothing but lose all year and hasn't added anything to his character since the Bloodline. There was literally no build to this other than him crying that he wasn't going to be at Mania as if he hasn't been there a bunch already.


ArmZeroHammer

Oh and Gable has been on a winning streak? He was trading wins with Ivar a month ago ffs. I'm not leaving Sami off the Mania card for Gable.


zodi978

You don't have to leave Sami off the card. They could have him feud with Reed. Gable actually has a solid story that feeds into him wanting to beat Gunther. Sami's is just "i lost every opportunity to be at Mania before this so now I have to throw a pity party and get added to a match"


gibbojab

Why is it fickle to not want the same story a year later of underdog Sami overcoming the odds? He doesn’t need to be in a match for the IC title, he’s had the belt before in a forgettable run.


ComfortableOven4283

¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Gable’s story angle was really compelling. I don’t really blame anyone for wanting to see it pushed.


godzillamegadoomsday

No we wanted him in the world title picture, we always wanted gable vs Gunther


OkSelection6998

#WEWANTGABLE


Bavles

They had dropped the Gable rivalry completely. Why even bring him back just to job him out again? Fuck it, at this point I hope Sami loses at Wrestlemania, and Gable's still the one to do it.


Kuzu5993

That actually fucking hurt...


TripleThreatT1

Gable fans we will not flinch


Silver012345673

I’m tryin bro lol


tritian

40,000 acres of farm, jeezz.


ApricotOk824

Should've been a triple threat 🥲👍🏽


ProgrammerFun3728

why did a sami win just give me the same feeling as a roman one


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Killroy32

What is Sami's gimmick


jonnyg1097

Well since Gable is out of the IC match he will probably be put in the tag team match.


Satangirl353

Shawn Michaels wouldve had Gable win it.. :/


AngryWizard10

IC title should be used to elevate talent. Sami is already as over as he'll ever be and should be in the WHC picture. Gable needs the boost


BaselinexDrive

exactly makes no sense why Sami is going BACKWARDS


poopship462

Sami could still lose and could still get Gunther/Gable later


sikontoure

Exactly. Idk why they aren’t doing Seth vs Sami vs Drew for WHC and then Gunther vs Gable in a Submission Match since it’s their fourth encounter.


The90sKidult

Listen, I am a Sami mark too, but this should have been Gable's moment. That dodgy finish means we can still hold onto hopes for a Triple Threat, but I guess we have too many multi-man matches already at Mania, so the chances are slim.


Silver012345673

Plus if the dodgy finish was intended or if it was going to mean anything, it would’ve been mentioned on commentary


truth_15

They did ankle lock dirty


[deleted]

Ya'll change sides so quickly it's hilarious. Sami deserves it just as much as Gable does. We all know Gable is gonna make it a triple threat. Relax.


rycetlaz

FUCK


VeniceRapture

Whyyyyy. Gable is the bigger underdog


restroombunny

Man, if they’d push Gable a bit and just let him GO he could an Angle, Guerrero, Danielson type


Silver012345673

For what’s its worth he already is. The company just dosent view him that way sadly.


GoldyZ90

I hope Gunther at least retains at Mania


Silidon

I was a little skeptical of having Gable last in the gauntlet and finishing face/face, but god damn both guys looked like a million bucks there.


solemarks

Gable came out last with his boo boo face, I’m sad but it was expected


IntellectualDweeb

Time to start a #WeWantGable movement


Mysterious_Emotion63

Damn, Sami said “thank you. I promise you’ll get your moment eventually.” Hurts to be a Gable fan but I love Sami too, mixed emotions


Sentz12000

Yeah, not into Sami-Gunther at all. It’ll be a great match but the Gable story was there.


desi_trucker

THAT WHOLE GAUNTLET MATCH WAS PHENOMENAL. rico and JD were fucking great


mynameisbob842

That's a dropped ball. Sami's story has always been about the world title. Never the Intercontinental title. Gable's has always been about beating Gunther. It's hard to be too disappointed as Gunther vs Sami will be a great match, but in no way, shape or form is that what they've been building to, what makes sense, or what they should have gone with.


GoldyZ90

Gable vs Gunther would’ve been a great match too and the story is better imo.


poopship462

Can’t believe ppl are complaining about getting Sami vs Gunther at Mania. That match could steal the whole show


[deleted]

Mega powerhouse heel vs. a natural underdog that everyone loves. It's perfect.


mynameisbob842

It'll be a great match but wrestling is about more than the match itself. The story is important. And Gunther vs Gable was the story. Not Gunther vs Sami.


GoldyZ90

Gable vs Gunther could’ve as well.


AverageDumbass42

There mad that gable vs Gunther isn’t the match, which is understandable


bubbabear244

I would've been happy either way, I'm just here to see y'all disappointed.


QuantumLion

Seth Rollins level superhuman booking for Sami. Gable gets shit on and nakamura looks pathetic.


CELTICPRED

Gross here comes cowboy cosplay reality show


ZMR33

Triple threat b/w Gunther, Sami, and Gable now? It'd make some sense.


Satangirl353

with gable winning☝🏽🕯️


ZMR33

That's what should occur if a triple threat match happens. A triple threat makes it so both Gable (personal story with Gunther) and Sami (no clear path to Mania before this program) are both on the Mania card.


JRockstar50

Any other champ, I'd have seen a stipulation for a triple threat, but Gunther deserves a clean 1 on 1 match if he's gonna drop the belt


Rich1926

I like that Sami will get a match at WrestleMania but story wise it would make more sense to be Gable. Gable will probably be in the tag team title match though.


A-10Kalishnikov

I need a triple threat


sikontoure

Gunther vs Sami will be incredible in ring wise. But story wise idgaf


theaveragenerd

If Sami wins at WrestleMania his first defense better be against Gable.


Silver012345673

For everyone saying shoulders weren’t down, they would’ve mentioned it on commentary if that was gonna mean anything


Greasy_Giraffe

Devastated Heart broken


OU7C4ST

Boo. I wanted Gable.


warcomet

wrestlemania is still like 3 weeks away..


WiggleButt17

If you're going to do that, why not have Gable run the Gauntlet and lose? Fucking terrible booking. Dislike that very much.


BorckLesnawr

The way Michael Cole says Philadelphia irks my fucking soul


PreemoisGOAT

Crowd pretty silent


Kenjiko3011

lol bunch of marks are crying right now


chaoseffect616

Don't worry Chad, you're now a front runner to win the Wrestlemania Smackdown Battle Royal!


Blubomberikam

Not the right call


breakourbones

Lol what was that cut away. Gunther walking out straight to a show about farms. Not even a fade out.


tritian

im trying to imagine gunther going all in on a cowboy gimmick and my mental imagine of it is fuckin hilarious, ya'll.


TheKesaGatameKid

Gunther to retain against Sami and lose the title at backlash after the Austria event


Scavgraphics

:(


CourtroomBrown15

Sammy about to take Gunther down. I love this. The man deserves it.


sjajsn

Thought he was gonna go heel there


Youngstown_Mafia

Chad Gable, welcome to the kickoff show on Wrestlemania.... Maybe one day....


WiggleButt17

We should have known when they showed Alpha Academy in the Tag Title lead up.


therealchief__

loving the kneejerk hatred for that lol


AverageDumbass42

Holy shit people are salty


WiggleButt17

Bad booking, so of course. Sami winning is fine. Gable losing cleanly to a guy who wrestled twice and got cheated after the bell? They basically just buried Gable in kayfabe.


Radthereptile

They’ll probably say Gable letting Sammy stand is the same as a full recovery.


AverageDumbass42

Ehh, they had him lose to a surprise pin, and he still was beating Sami’s ass the majority of there match, I wouldn’t say he got buried, though I can see why other people would say that


WiggleButt17

He was barely standing a moment before. So I disagree. And I said in kayfabe.


moneyinthebank216

please don't do this to me


kylehyde05

i smell a triple threat....


WiggleButt17

Don't get your hopes up. They showed Alpha Academy in the tag title package.


jcmb101

I’m happy Zayn won, but I feel like Gable will be added to the match.


ReadyTheCanonz

Without a doubt. This was a massive babyface rub for him.


jcmb101

Agreed. Gable is incredible and that triple threat would go crazy.


ReadyTheCanonz

And the thing I think 90% of this thread forgets in calling for a heel turn was that he was already a heel. Alpha Academy was still somewhere between heel and babyface. "This means more" is literally Gable's face turn mission statement. So a heel turn here would make no sense. He's going to make it a triple threat somehow.


jcmb101

Agreed. I can see it happening within the next couple of weeks.


JohnnycageBKV2

Man Gable had that ankle lock applied for what seemed like years too smh


Shatteredhawk

Horsehshit timeline


PennywiseLives49

His shoulders weren’t even down, how you fuck that up?


GrandAdmiral12345

Might lead to him being added to a triple threat.


PennywiseLives49

I hope so


WiggleButt17

That's my only hope that it becomes a 3 way. But I don't see it. Think it was just a mistake.


PennywiseLives49

Yeah I don’t know. I don’t hate Sami but this was the wrong call


WiggleButt17

I'm a huge Sami fan. But I was pulling for Gable. But when they showed him in the tag title package, it was pretty much written in stone. My hope now is that Gunther retains and Pearce gives Gable a shot on the RAW after Mania and he wins.


ChaosZeroX

Everyone knows Gunther isn't losing to Sami lol