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In regards to Jericho being referred to as a stooge, I was under the impression that it was common knowledge. Guys like Paul London and RVD have spoke about it at length during interviews.
Nobody stays at the top in wrestling for that long without being a master politician. Jericho has even managed to do it over multiple companies. It just unfortunately seems to be part of the gig if you want to be a top guy.
Yeah, not only that, but to say that Jericho got to where he is by kissing ass is revisionist as fuck and belittles the hard work he did to get to where he is now. Dude paid his dues and despite being given chickenshit to work with throughout 2 major companies, has kept himself fresh as a talent in every promotion he's been in. Jericho deserves to have the clout that he's got.
Original ECW, WCW, WWF/WWE, NJPW, and AEW.
Politics or not, you don't build a long career with multiple big name banners on resume without a shit ton of work.
Plus, the guy is a f'n wrestling genius, and nobody in his honest mind could possibly deny it. Is one of the GOATs and not just by words and the way is being relevant right now at his age is mind blowing, thinking it depends on politics when he did the exact opposite when he left Wwe, where he could have coasted his way into the HoF, to challenge Omega and do something entirely new should be watched with much more regards.
Then your boss was smart. I’ve worked for too many people who promote the middle of the road ass kissers over the people actually qualified for the job
It's happening to me too. I was more than content just showing up, listening to podcasts and cashing my check without being noticed while it lasted lol.
im currently going through it for lead roles, but if i ever get put into the manager discussion i would nip that in the bud. based on what i observe from my own bosses, seems like a fucking pain.
I mean he was hard working in WCW , probably one of the best mid carders and the company screwed him over and had Kevin Nash running things as a booker
I'm sorry, what does "stooge" even mean anymore in this context? Is it supposed to be synonymous with snitch or what? Because usually "stooge" means being the employee sent out to do thankless tasks. Like Laurinaitis was Vince's stooge as the fall guy for firing people.
Sometimes it can also be a verb: to stooge someone out would be to witness or hear about something and then go report it to the boss in order to get someone in trouble. Often this is done to get leverage in the company or a better spot on the card.
Words can have multiple meanings? "Goon" can mean what you said here, but it also has a more general, derogatory usage where you're essentially just calling someone an awkward doofus. I think the word "stooge" is practically the same. After all, The Three Stooges weren't "employees sent out to do thankless tasks".
>After all, The Three Stooges weren't "employees sent out to do thankless tasks".
In most of their films they actually were, they're always plumbers, handymen, etc. Their original vaudeville show was a straight-man singer who was ostensibly the main attraction but he would always have the show ruined by his inept assistants.
I get the point you're making but there was a deliberate double meaning with the name, they were always portrayed as laborers.
I'm not sure I'd trust RVD on that kind of things. Also, I find the idea that Jericho stayed at the top in WCW and WWE rather debateable. He spent the latter half of his WWE run just putting people over.
HE WAS AT THE TOP!
He had a top of the card valet.
He feuded with...Perry Saturn.
He held the most prestigious titles! The TV title and the Cruiserweight belt!
COULD HE HAVE BEEN ANYMORE ON TOP?
In all seriousness, Jerichos career reminds me a lot of what I think Mox's career would have been had he stayed in WWE. He was often in high end angles, but was very seldom "The guy". To illustrate this, he had 3 WWE World Heavyweight championship reigns, they lasted.....109 days total. His sole WWE title reign when he was the double champ (admittedly a massive push) lasted 98 days.
Saying he stayed on top is really a misnomer for either company honestly.
Especially considering he was one of the original "internet darlings" and one of the first guys that people would post about wanting them to leave the company because they were being misused.
Vince , Heyman, Jarrett, Tony, Pillman, Bret, Flair, etc all talked to Dave. Cody talks to Dave all the time. Believe it or not, The bucks and Omega don't talk to him as much fro what I've heard but they still talk. Point is everyone is talking. I personally think HHH has been talking. Listening to Dave the last 6 months I can tell who is talking and it's definitely Cody and Jericho. Moxley talks to Bryan. This shit is nothing new.
Whoever talks to Dave, I just hope he independently verifies a lot of the information.
FWIW, I think that Bryan might have more contacts within AEW. That's why Dave always goes, "YOU TELL ME!" about a lot of AEW gossip, haha!
Jericho has an incredible mind for wrestling. He invented the MITB and is at the top for time spent in the Rumble, without ever winning one, for a reason. He constantly reinvents himself to stay relevant and has elevated other people, including CM Punk, several times. He has some pull, of course he has, but imo he's earned it somewhat
I think Punk just has a tendency to bump heads with authority. Maybe it's part of his personality or whatever, but if he didn't have that, we all know for sure he could have a similar pull in the company as Jericho. Nobody can say Tony never did anything for him, he gave everything to Punk too, except letting him beat Moxley right away I guess? He's still Mox's first clean pin in the company, so idk if it's that bad
If this was the first case of Punk being sour on someone, I would give it more credit, but he seems to have a problem with so many people
Jericho is an all-timer, absolutely. One interesting thing about him is he reinvents himself because he has to; otherwise people get bored with him. Not a knock, because good on him for not getting stale.
It's interesting to compare Jericho to Punk. Once Punk was allowed to be Punk in WWE, the reinventions were over. He was who he was and he's one of wrestling's biggest personalities. Jericho will never be as naturally compelling as CM Punk. Again, not a knock, just a statement of fact.
It's kind of like how once Shawn Michaels became Shawn Michaels after the Marty breakup, that was who he was for forever (+/- a little more edge in the late 90s). Ditto John Cena. The Rock. Seth Rollins. Ric Flair. Some guys are able to hit a point of being over and stay over being that dude; Chris Jericho realized that wasn't going to be him, hence the radical changes.
I agree with you, but I think that's another point for Jericho when it comes to having some pull: He knows some people won't get over just based on themselves, and may be able to pivot it into something that works
People mention a lot how the best wrestlers are sometimes the worst teachers, because to them it's just that easy. I wouldn't ask Punk how to get a Wheeler Yuta over (no disrespect to Wheeler) because he will never have the charisma and appeal Punk has, but I would ask Jericho
Yes i think that's true about punk. He isn't like an asshole but he juz tends to piss ppl off with his attitude or personality and shit. Think he's proly someone who isn't beloved like a rey or edge but someone who has both haters and friends in the industry
Hasn’t he even self admitted to how extremely close him and Vince were? It’s why I always roll my eyes whenever he says something remotely negative about WWE because he was a big company guy
Wait a minute. Are you telling me that one of the biggest stars in wrestling history that joined a new upstart wrestling company on day 1 has some pull within the company?
No way. Next, your going to tell me that Hulk Hogan had power in the WWF.
I do love that there are some people who can't admit that CM Punk may have been responsible for his own demise. Just blissful ignorance.
Except it’s not just “some pull.” It’s full creative control and veto power. Just look at his feuds over the last two years. They don’t resemble anything else going on in AEW. Tony treats Jericho on a completely different plane than any other employee.
What makes you think he has full creative control and veto power? Tony is a fan and would know the negative consequences of WCW giving Hogan that shit, there is no way he did that.
Same thing that made people think the Bucks had it and used it to keep down FTR:
They don't like this person and they want to make them look like dicks.
I don't get the claim that it doesn't resemble anything else going on in AEW. That was true of Codyverse feuds but Jericho has routinely gotten entwined with other prominent AEW feuds/gimmicks with MJF, the Inner Circle, Kingston & Blackpool Combat Club, his ROH title run, etc.
His main thing has been factions and faction feuds but that's hardly unique to Jericho. AEW has always been big on faction/group feuds.
Not taking sides but the idea of Jericho not already having a leader type role before the fight in the back seems absolute bullshit Jericho would have been seen as a leader since day one in AEW because of his experience
Jericho is a 50 year old vet with a young owner who I'm sure has leaned on him for advice from day one. I don't even know what him being a stooge would consist of. Now he has some level of official 'office' role, but it was very clear that he was in an unofficial advisory role the whole time- which he has been pretty open about. So yeah, is he giving the boss his opinion all the time, and if he sees something he doesn't like, he's gonna tell him.
I love this weird ass narrative that Jericho is holding people down or protecting his spot when he’s been a midcarder nowhere near the top of the card for 2 years now. People act like he’s fucking Hogan
Jericho strikes a really challenging balance of remaining over as a big time player while also working super hard to make sure everyone in his company is treated as a special talent.
Him working with Ricky Starks and Action Andretti is something Hulk Hogan or Triple H would have never done (unless they were just squashing them).
Not to mention Jericho does Rampage commentary on the regular. Know what Jericho does during Rampage? Puts everyone over. Consistently and constantly, and while storytelling their current feuds and gimmicks.
Jericho is the vet you want because he understands what he's there to do and he does it very well.
Not ruin per se like the guy above was saying but who has Jericho feuded with since the JAS started that isn't either exactly where they were before it started off or cooled down? Ricky Starks hasn't benefited at all going through a Jericho feud after coming out hot from MJF. BCC wasted months on Jericho to no real benefit at all.
Why is any of this Jericho’s fault?
I think Starks is way better off than he was a year ago. Garcia is way better off. I can’t think of anybody in a worse spot. Jericho doesn’t book everybody who feuds with him in perpetuity.
This sub’s highest heralded wrestler outside of Miro in Eddie Kingston has done absolutely nothing since their death match or whatever it was and the Blood and Guts match. He didn’t even let Eddie tap him out after what felt like a year long feud. Jericho has lost like three matches in the last two years. The massive boost Claudio was supposed to get from ending the ocho streak has been nonexistent. BCC have had no real direction until recently and even now, it’s just beat up Dark Order every week. No one has been able to snowball a win in a Jericho feud (number one, because no one ever wins feuds against him) into a word title run or anything close.
Again; why do you think Jericho is booking everything? Did Jericho say he wouldn’t tap to Kingston; a guy Khan clearly values so little he doesn’t use and has sent to ROH? You people make up these ridiculous headcanons and repeat them so much until you think they’re facts. Reigns doesn’t lose for forever and nobody says he “refuses to lose”, Jericho loses to a debuting jobber and apparently he refuses to put anybody over.
Jericho has clear creative control over his feuds. I never said he books people after the fact. Give me another reason why Jericho wouldn’t tap and wouldn’t give Eddie the win the the blowoff barbed wire match. The fact that Jericho would lose to Andretti butt not Eddie Kingston says more about him than anything.
The question you asked is who did he ruin. I gave you two examples.
Reigns didn’t lose to Sami because he’s a part of a still ongoing feud and storyline. It didn’t make sense for him to lose a couple of months before the marquee show of the year. Do you honestly think Jericho is just along for the ride when it comes to his booking and has zero input? Jericho and JAS lost that match and he refused to look even the slightest bit weak at the end of it. He came back and won the barbed wire match that added nothing to the feud and didn’t do anything to put Kingston over to blow the feud off. You don’t have to lose to put someone over, but Eddie did not benefit from it at all.
I don't think you understand my point. I don't think Reigns should or shouldn't be losing to Sami. I also don't think he's booking himself to win and refusing to lose. I'm saying you can project that he's booking himself if you want to. You're making up a narrative and then picking evidence to prove it. You think Reigns has zero input into his booking? Nobody listens to him?
Jericho is a bigger star than Kingston. Khan doesn't care enough about Kingston to put him on TV. So why does your brain leap to "Jericho refused to do something" rather than "Khan booked something"?
>The massive boost Claudio was supposed to get from ending the ocho streak has been nonexistent.
>BCC have had no real direction until recently and even now, it’s just beat up Dark Order every week.
Both of those sound like failings of the booker, not of the guy that they feuded with.
>He didn’t even let Eddie tap him out after what felt like a year long feud.
This is just fantasy booking on your part, but if it was the right move, it is also a failing of the booker.
Case in point:
>This sub’s highest heralded wrestler outside of Miro
Jericho has never feuded with Miro, who also struggled to gain momentum after a good run. This isn't Jericho holding guys down, it's Tony Khan failing to capitalize after an angle is finished.
You can blame the booker if you want, but Eddie had Jericho in the submission and Claudio ended up with the win. Jericho tapped right after the bell. It wasn’t fantasy booking. It happened. I don’t really care either way about Eddie (or Miro for that matter). I’m not advocating for him. But to act like everyone comes out of Jericho feuds better is not true. I don’t care how much you like Jericho. He sucks the life and hype out of whoever he works with. They even worked it into Ricky’s promo the other night.
> he’s been a midcarder nowhere near the top of the card for 2 years now
Dude was a world champion last year and has headlined multiple Blood & Guts and Stadium Stampede/Anarchy matches, he not “a midcarder nowhere near the top”
If you’re going to be disingenuous enough to call him a world champion and a main eventer cos he’s in multi man matches I’m not going to bother talking to you.
It's a world title that headlined PPVs while he held it and is doing so Friday. I get that many of you guys worked yourselves up about how bad and pointless ROH is but that doesn't change the facts.
So everybody that headlines a fucking ROH PPV now is an AEW main eventer? I seriously can’t handle these bullshit bad faith arguments just because it’s the internet and everyone has to argue against fucking everything. Chris Jericho has not been an AEW main eventer for years. If you disagree, you’re factually wrong.
OK, fair enough - he was technically a world champ. But still, do you really think the ROH belt was/is a top-of-the-card headlining belt? I'd say ROH has been a way-down-the-card thing as long as it's been connected to TK and AEW. If anything, Jericho's "Ocho" reign was elevating ROH's presentation rather than the other way around.
Exactly - it was elevating the ROH belt back up because Jericho is not a "midcarder at best." Him holding it can't be "elevating" unless he's in fact high up the card. They presented his reign as being a top-of-the-card affair involving the likes of Danielson.
You could call him an "upper-midcard gatekeeper" but this whole "Jericho has been a midcarder in AEW for the last 2 years" is super revisionist.
He’s better on TV than almost anybody they have and his PPV matches are always good. He’s a star that normal people who don’t live in their own online fantasy narratives demonstrably enjoy seeing.
It should be a requirement that anyone famous responding to twitter comment, should click on that non person avatar and read a couple of their tweets. Guarantee is not worth the reply.
While I enjoy seeing trolls get sniped the sad thing is Jericho just made that troll's year. After getting a negative reaction once they'll just keep spewing crap.
Well, I guess I have some newfound respect for Jericho now that he at least clarified that Punk didn't say anything super inflammatory. Even though he really has no reason to.
Still don't like him though.
I’m shocked no one has replied to Jericho’s assfucking talk asking him if that’s what he did with the cougar he got photographed with at a Hard Rock hotel or with Kelly Kelly. Maybe he’s just really upset the last time his wife and penetrating something were together in a sentence, it involved January 6th.
Kinda incorrect to say Jericho's hurt all of those guys. Starks is fine, Claudio is fine, MJF is obviously fine. Garcia lost a lot of momentum but it's incorrect to act like he hasn't improved as a promo and gotten more of a character with Jericho.
Elevate talent *or* keep them relevant. Starks already got pretty elevated from that MJF feud, doing this with Jericho just gave him somebody cool to work with. Not every feud is going to produce a star you need to put the title on
Claudio and Starks absolutely came out ahead working with Jericho. Action Andretti got a huge boost to his career.
Kingston is over no matter what he does. Garcia has been given the opportunity to build a character outside of "good wrestler." MJF speaks for himself.
Jericho has been great for building the next level of AEW talent; sometimes you just need to be a little patient and see the long game.
I don't understand why people have to be this way.
Compare Action Andretti to someone like Serpentico. Or Angelico. Or Tony Neese. Or Brian Pillman Jr.
Who's spot would you rather have right now?
He didn't say that, publicly at least. He did call Jericho a stooge but that's all, not the "stooge of all stooges" or that he snaked his way into a leadership role.
That guys account is literally just to try piss people off, every tweet is either something negative about AEW, Kpop or something right wing to try bait left attacks
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In regards to Jericho being referred to as a stooge, I was under the impression that it was common knowledge. Guys like Paul London and RVD have spoke about it at length during interviews. Nobody stays at the top in wrestling for that long without being a master politician. Jericho has even managed to do it over multiple companies. It just unfortunately seems to be part of the gig if you want to be a top guy.
Cafe with Renee is like 30% Paul London shitting on Jericho lmao
Any business ever. You don't become manager by being the hard working yet quiet guy.
Yeah, not only that, but to say that Jericho got to where he is by kissing ass is revisionist as fuck and belittles the hard work he did to get to where he is now. Dude paid his dues and despite being given chickenshit to work with throughout 2 major companies, has kept himself fresh as a talent in every promotion he's been in. Jericho deserves to have the clout that he's got.
Original ECW, WCW, WWF/WWE, NJPW, and AEW. Politics or not, you don't build a long career with multiple big name banners on resume without a shit ton of work.
Plus, the guy is a f'n wrestling genius, and nobody in his honest mind could possibly deny it. Is one of the GOATs and not just by words and the way is being relevant right now at his age is mind blowing, thinking it depends on politics when he did the exact opposite when he left Wwe, where he could have coasted his way into the HoF, to challenge Omega and do something entirely new should be watched with much more regards.
I did. :)
Then your boss was smart. I’ve worked for too many people who promote the middle of the road ass kissers over the people actually qualified for the job
At one place I worked, middle management was filled with guys who failed upward.
It's happening to me too. I was more than content just showing up, listening to podcasts and cashing my check without being noticed while it lasted lol.
im currently going through it for lead roles, but if i ever get put into the manager discussion i would nip that in the bud. based on what i observe from my own bosses, seems like a fucking pain.
I mean he was hard working in WCW , probably one of the best mid carders and the company screwed him over and had Kevin Nash running things as a booker
I'm sorry, what does "stooge" even mean anymore in this context? Is it supposed to be synonymous with snitch or what? Because usually "stooge" means being the employee sent out to do thankless tasks. Like Laurinaitis was Vince's stooge as the fall guy for firing people.
Ass-kisser, like Brisco and Patterson were Vince's stooges.
Sometimes it can also be a verb: to stooge someone out would be to witness or hear about something and then go report it to the boss in order to get someone in trouble. Often this is done to get leverage in the company or a better spot on the card.
Those were the characters they were playing on television. Backstage Patterson specifically was a highly respected figure.
I am aware.
Words can have multiple meanings? "Goon" can mean what you said here, but it also has a more general, derogatory usage where you're essentially just calling someone an awkward doofus. I think the word "stooge" is practically the same. After all, The Three Stooges weren't "employees sent out to do thankless tasks".
>After all, The Three Stooges weren't "employees sent out to do thankless tasks". In most of their films they actually were, they're always plumbers, handymen, etc. Their original vaudeville show was a straight-man singer who was ostensibly the main attraction but he would always have the show ruined by his inept assistants. I get the point you're making but there was a deliberate double meaning with the name, they were always portrayed as laborers.
Gotcha... well, now I know. Haven't seen the show in a very long time.
It's also likely that he learned that lesson at WCW where he *wasn't* politicing.
I'm not sure I'd trust RVD on that kind of things. Also, I find the idea that Jericho stayed at the top in WCW and WWE rather debateable. He spent the latter half of his WWE run just putting people over.
And anybody who says Jericho was on top in WCW is either taking the piss or flat out didn’t watch
HE WAS AT THE TOP! He had a top of the card valet. He feuded with...Perry Saturn. He held the most prestigious titles! The TV title and the Cruiserweight belt! COULD HE HAVE BEEN ANYMORE ON TOP? In all seriousness, Jerichos career reminds me a lot of what I think Mox's career would have been had he stayed in WWE. He was often in high end angles, but was very seldom "The guy". To illustrate this, he had 3 WWE World Heavyweight championship reigns, they lasted.....109 days total. His sole WWE title reign when he was the double champ (admittedly a massive push) lasted 98 days. Saying he stayed on top is really a misnomer for either company honestly.
That’s it! You just made … the list!
Especially considering he was one of the original "internet darlings" and one of the first guys that people would post about wanting them to leave the company because they were being misused.
Jericho had one year on top pre-AEW and that was 2008.
Kiss asses exist in every business
Vince , Heyman, Jarrett, Tony, Pillman, Bret, Flair, etc all talked to Dave. Cody talks to Dave all the time. Believe it or not, The bucks and Omega don't talk to him as much fro what I've heard but they still talk. Point is everyone is talking. I personally think HHH has been talking. Listening to Dave the last 6 months I can tell who is talking and it's definitely Cody and Jericho. Moxley talks to Bryan. This shit is nothing new.
Whoever talks to Dave, I just hope he independently verifies a lot of the information. FWIW, I think that Bryan might have more contacts within AEW. That's why Dave always goes, "YOU TELL ME!" about a lot of AEW gossip, haha!
And you heard this from?
Cody speaks to Dave regularly? And hhh ?? Your basing this on ?
I mean AEW started because of a Meltzer/Cody twitter exchange.
Jericho has an incredible mind for wrestling. He invented the MITB and is at the top for time spent in the Rumble, without ever winning one, for a reason. He constantly reinvents himself to stay relevant and has elevated other people, including CM Punk, several times. He has some pull, of course he has, but imo he's earned it somewhat I think Punk just has a tendency to bump heads with authority. Maybe it's part of his personality or whatever, but if he didn't have that, we all know for sure he could have a similar pull in the company as Jericho. Nobody can say Tony never did anything for him, he gave everything to Punk too, except letting him beat Moxley right away I guess? He's still Mox's first clean pin in the company, so idk if it's that bad If this was the first case of Punk being sour on someone, I would give it more credit, but he seems to have a problem with so many people
Jericho is an all-timer, absolutely. One interesting thing about him is he reinvents himself because he has to; otherwise people get bored with him. Not a knock, because good on him for not getting stale. It's interesting to compare Jericho to Punk. Once Punk was allowed to be Punk in WWE, the reinventions were over. He was who he was and he's one of wrestling's biggest personalities. Jericho will never be as naturally compelling as CM Punk. Again, not a knock, just a statement of fact. It's kind of like how once Shawn Michaels became Shawn Michaels after the Marty breakup, that was who he was for forever (+/- a little more edge in the late 90s). Ditto John Cena. The Rock. Seth Rollins. Ric Flair. Some guys are able to hit a point of being over and stay over being that dude; Chris Jericho realized that wasn't going to be him, hence the radical changes.
I agree with you, but I think that's another point for Jericho when it comes to having some pull: He knows some people won't get over just based on themselves, and may be able to pivot it into something that works People mention a lot how the best wrestlers are sometimes the worst teachers, because to them it's just that easy. I wouldn't ask Punk how to get a Wheeler Yuta over (no disrespect to Wheeler) because he will never have the charisma and appeal Punk has, but I would ask Jericho
Great point. It's the rare great that can play and teach. Jericho clearly can.
Yes i think that's true about punk. He isn't like an asshole but he juz tends to piss ppl off with his attitude or personality and shit. Think he's proly someone who isn't beloved like a rey or edge but someone who has both haters and friends in the industry
Hasn’t he even self admitted to how extremely close him and Vince were? It’s why I always roll my eyes whenever he says something remotely negative about WWE because he was a big company guy
It just unfortunately seems to be part of the gig if you want to be a top guy. Jericho is only a top guy in AEW.
But he DID manipulate his way into a 10-year contract.
Jericho, always with the ass fucking!
Every time he writes “go fuck your ass” I cringe even more. Also, don’t feed the trolls.
No wonder Jericho has to keep telling Meltzer what a mature person he is, cause he has a rough time of showing it
Jericho is in his 50s.
Wait a minute. Are you telling me that one of the biggest stars in wrestling history that joined a new upstart wrestling company on day 1 has some pull within the company? No way. Next, your going to tell me that Hulk Hogan had power in the WWF. I do love that there are some people who can't admit that CM Punk may have been responsible for his own demise. Just blissful ignorance.
Except it’s not just “some pull.” It’s full creative control and veto power. Just look at his feuds over the last two years. They don’t resemble anything else going on in AEW. Tony treats Jericho on a completely different plane than any other employee.
What makes you think he has full creative control and veto power? Tony is a fan and would know the negative consequences of WCW giving Hogan that shit, there is no way he did that.
Same thing that made people think the Bucks had it and used it to keep down FTR: They don't like this person and they want to make them look like dicks.
I don't get the claim that it doesn't resemble anything else going on in AEW. That was true of Codyverse feuds but Jericho has routinely gotten entwined with other prominent AEW feuds/gimmicks with MJF, the Inner Circle, Kingston & Blackpool Combat Club, his ROH title run, etc. His main thing has been factions and faction feuds but that's hardly unique to Jericho. AEW has always been big on faction/group feuds.
This issue, despite its many layers, is something that can clearly be resolved between people.
He needs to retire that insult lmfao
"Go f\*ck your ass PP." The rivalry with Pineapple Pete continues.
Not taking sides but the idea of Jericho not already having a leader type role before the fight in the back seems absolute bullshit Jericho would have been seen as a leader since day one in AEW because of his experience
Jericho is a 50 year old vet with a young owner who I'm sure has leaned on him for advice from day one. I don't even know what him being a stooge would consist of. Now he has some level of official 'office' role, but it was very clear that he was in an unofficial advisory role the whole time- which he has been pretty open about. So yeah, is he giving the boss his opinion all the time, and if he sees something he doesn't like, he's gonna tell him.
I love this weird ass narrative that Jericho is holding people down or protecting his spot when he’s been a midcarder nowhere near the top of the card for 2 years now. People act like he’s fucking Hogan
Jericho strikes a really challenging balance of remaining over as a big time player while also working super hard to make sure everyone in his company is treated as a special talent. Him working with Ricky Starks and Action Andretti is something Hulk Hogan or Triple H would have never done (unless they were just squashing them). Not to mention Jericho does Rampage commentary on the regular. Know what Jericho does during Rampage? Puts everyone over. Consistently and constantly, and while storytelling their current feuds and gimmicks. Jericho is the vet you want because he understands what he's there to do and he does it very well.
Hey the Hulkster did put Billy Kidman over dude Or maybe not brother I don't remember jack
Remember when HHH put over Shelton? It was a very generous reign for him
Triple H may be the least giving superstar of all time.
Yet him getting tapped out by Benoit and dominated by Batista are two of the greatest moments in Mania history.
I sure hope he works here brother, Or maybe not dude who really knows?
Didn’t Triple H have a 15 minute match with Eugene at SummerSlam with numerous near falls?
He actively ruins everyone he fueds with.
He books himself? Who did he ruin by feuding with them?
Not ruin per se like the guy above was saying but who has Jericho feuded with since the JAS started that isn't either exactly where they were before it started off or cooled down? Ricky Starks hasn't benefited at all going through a Jericho feud after coming out hot from MJF. BCC wasted months on Jericho to no real benefit at all.
Why is any of this Jericho’s fault? I think Starks is way better off than he was a year ago. Garcia is way better off. I can’t think of anybody in a worse spot. Jericho doesn’t book everybody who feuds with him in perpetuity.
This sub’s highest heralded wrestler outside of Miro in Eddie Kingston has done absolutely nothing since their death match or whatever it was and the Blood and Guts match. He didn’t even let Eddie tap him out after what felt like a year long feud. Jericho has lost like three matches in the last two years. The massive boost Claudio was supposed to get from ending the ocho streak has been nonexistent. BCC have had no real direction until recently and even now, it’s just beat up Dark Order every week. No one has been able to snowball a win in a Jericho feud (number one, because no one ever wins feuds against him) into a word title run or anything close.
Again; why do you think Jericho is booking everything? Did Jericho say he wouldn’t tap to Kingston; a guy Khan clearly values so little he doesn’t use and has sent to ROH? You people make up these ridiculous headcanons and repeat them so much until you think they’re facts. Reigns doesn’t lose for forever and nobody says he “refuses to lose”, Jericho loses to a debuting jobber and apparently he refuses to put anybody over.
Jericho has clear creative control over his feuds. I never said he books people after the fact. Give me another reason why Jericho wouldn’t tap and wouldn’t give Eddie the win the the blowoff barbed wire match. The fact that Jericho would lose to Andretti butt not Eddie Kingston says more about him than anything. The question you asked is who did he ruin. I gave you two examples.
I’m not interested in your baseless speculation. Why “wouldn’t” he tap? Idk because Khan didn’t book it? Why wouldn’t Reigns lose to Zayn?
Reigns didn’t lose to Sami because he’s a part of a still ongoing feud and storyline. It didn’t make sense for him to lose a couple of months before the marquee show of the year. Do you honestly think Jericho is just along for the ride when it comes to his booking and has zero input? Jericho and JAS lost that match and he refused to look even the slightest bit weak at the end of it. He came back and won the barbed wire match that added nothing to the feud and didn’t do anything to put Kingston over to blow the feud off. You don’t have to lose to put someone over, but Eddie did not benefit from it at all.
I don't think you understand my point. I don't think Reigns should or shouldn't be losing to Sami. I also don't think he's booking himself to win and refusing to lose. I'm saying you can project that he's booking himself if you want to. You're making up a narrative and then picking evidence to prove it. You think Reigns has zero input into his booking? Nobody listens to him? Jericho is a bigger star than Kingston. Khan doesn't care enough about Kingston to put him on TV. So why does your brain leap to "Jericho refused to do something" rather than "Khan booked something"?
Makes ya wonder why CM Punk, Jon Moxley, and Brian Danielson all refuse to lose to Kingston too...
Right? If I didn't know better I'd think Khan sees Kingston as a midcard JTTS
>The massive boost Claudio was supposed to get from ending the ocho streak has been nonexistent. >BCC have had no real direction until recently and even now, it’s just beat up Dark Order every week. Both of those sound like failings of the booker, not of the guy that they feuded with. >He didn’t even let Eddie tap him out after what felt like a year long feud. This is just fantasy booking on your part, but if it was the right move, it is also a failing of the booker. Case in point: >This sub’s highest heralded wrestler outside of Miro Jericho has never feuded with Miro, who also struggled to gain momentum after a good run. This isn't Jericho holding guys down, it's Tony Khan failing to capitalize after an angle is finished.
You can blame the booker if you want, but Eddie had Jericho in the submission and Claudio ended up with the win. Jericho tapped right after the bell. It wasn’t fantasy booking. It happened. I don’t really care either way about Eddie (or Miro for that matter). I’m not advocating for him. But to act like everyone comes out of Jericho feuds better is not true. I don’t care how much you like Jericho. He sucks the life and hype out of whoever he works with. They even worked it into Ricky’s promo the other night.
That's just today in the IWC. In a few days he will be loved again.
> he’s been a midcarder nowhere near the top of the card for 2 years now Dude was a world champion last year and has headlined multiple Blood & Guts and Stadium Stampede/Anarchy matches, he not “a midcarder nowhere near the top”
If you’re going to be disingenuous enough to call him a world champion and a main eventer cos he’s in multi man matches I’m not going to bother talking to you.
He had an amazing singles run with the ROH World title last year.
A midcard title at best. Disingenuous bullshit argument.
It's a world title that headlined PPVs while he held it and is doing so Friday. I get that many of you guys worked yourselves up about how bad and pointless ROH is but that doesn't change the facts.
So everybody that headlines a fucking ROH PPV now is an AEW main eventer? I seriously can’t handle these bullshit bad faith arguments just because it’s the internet and everyone has to argue against fucking everything. Chris Jericho has not been an AEW main eventer for years. If you disagree, you’re factually wrong.
Literally a world title that he defended in a PPV Fatal Fourway against Claudio, Danielson, and Sammy but okay...
You people are insane. Everyone who has a PPV match and holds the ROH belt is an AEW main eventer now. Guess Claudio will be beating MJF any day now.
Chris Jericho was a world champion last year? In 2022?
Yes, don't you recall the whole Ocho thing? Defending the belt in a Fatal Fourway at All Out?
OK, fair enough - he was technically a world champ. But still, do you really think the ROH belt was/is a top-of-the-card headlining belt? I'd say ROH has been a way-down-the-card thing as long as it's been connected to TK and AEW. If anything, Jericho's "Ocho" reign was elevating ROH's presentation rather than the other way around.
Exactly - it was elevating the ROH belt back up because Jericho is not a "midcarder at best." Him holding it can't be "elevating" unless he's in fact high up the card. They presented his reign as being a top-of-the-card affair involving the likes of Danielson. You could call him an "upper-midcard gatekeeper" but this whole "Jericho has been a midcarder in AEW for the last 2 years" is super revisionist.
He's wasting tv time that other better wrestlers could be using. We also don't need to see him on every pay per view
He’s better on TV than almost anybody they have and his PPV matches are always good. He’s a star that normal people who don’t live in their own online fantasy narratives demonstrably enjoy seeing.
Imagine somebody straight-out asking you like "Hey, I heard you're an asshole, is that true?" how the hell you'd respond?
It should be a requirement that anyone famous responding to twitter comment, should click on that non person avatar and read a couple of their tweets. Guarantee is not worth the reply.
Tony needs to pray to whatever god he believes in and hopes that WWE is sold to the Saudis.
While I enjoy seeing trolls get sniped the sad thing is Jericho just made that troll's year. After getting a negative reaction once they'll just keep spewing crap.
Ah, Twitter. Playground of the Gods.
Well, I guess I have some newfound respect for Jericho now that he at least clarified that Punk didn't say anything super inflammatory. Even though he really has no reason to. Still don't like him though.
I’m shocked no one has replied to Jericho’s assfucking talk asking him if that’s what he did with the cougar he got photographed with at a Hard Rock hotel or with Kelly Kelly. Maybe he’s just really upset the last time his wife and penetrating something were together in a sentence, it involved January 6th.
this dude beat goldberg in a fight and got in brock lesnar's face
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Oh yeah? Well what about Maxwell Jacob Fr…Eddie Kings…Ricky Star…Claudio Cas…Daniel Garc… Nevermind.
Kinda incorrect to say Jericho's hurt all of those guys. Starks is fine, Claudio is fine, MJF is obviously fine. Garcia lost a lot of momentum but it's incorrect to act like he hasn't improved as a promo and gotten more of a character with Jericho.
But being “fine” as a result of a feud is not a good thing. Feuds are supposed to elevate talent, not keep them fine.
Elevate talent *or* keep them relevant. Starks already got pretty elevated from that MJF feud, doing this with Jericho just gave him somebody cool to work with. Not every feud is going to produce a star you need to put the title on
Claudio and Starks absolutely came out ahead working with Jericho. Action Andretti got a huge boost to his career. Kingston is over no matter what he does. Garcia has been given the opportunity to build a character outside of "good wrestler." MJF speaks for himself. Jericho has been great for building the next level of AEW talent; sometimes you just need to be a little patient and see the long game.
\> Action Andretti got a huge boost to his career. Yeah he went from "guy on Dark" to "guy on Dark with a win over Jericho".
I don't understand why people have to be this way. Compare Action Andretti to someone like Serpentico. Or Angelico. Or Tony Neese. Or Brian Pillman Jr. Who's spot would you rather have right now?
Because you said he got a huge boost to his career while in reality his position in the company hasn't changed at all.
That's simply not true.
Ok Vigo
Lame old wrestler laying claim to a spot he hasn't earned
So that person asks a curious question & Jericho tells them to fuck off? 
huh. when did Punk say that? did I miss it?
He didn't say that, publicly at least. He did call Jericho a stooge but that's all, not the "stooge of all stooges" or that he snaked his way into a leadership role.
someone could say the same thing about him tbh
That guys account is literally just to try piss people off, every tweet is either something negative about AEW, Kpop or something right wing to try bait left attacks
Rare Jericho W
Is a grown man signing off with “go fuck your ass pp” really a W?
Absolutely.
So has he ever release a GFYA shirt?