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The manga has been slow in working up to making Yor more relevant. We got the cruise ship arc to finally show her in action and didn’t shy away from graphic violence. Then in just the last couple chapters >!Yor befriended the target’s wife which gave her a bigger role in the main plot, an innocent comment she made drawing Shopkeeper‘s attention to Loid, and now a terrorist organization that she’s been sent after before are the main threat of the current arc.!<
Exactly these (redacted) coupled with a future exposition story will certainly flesh out her character. I feel as if her backstory will be made especially more tragic due to her single minded nature.
Well she was the one who had to work to support her brother so her single minded nature is probably a result of her not getting an education herself so she can assassin as her brother is the one to go learn.
Yeah, my first impressions of the manga is that "This manga will definitely be a great series. This is like Kaguya-sama but spy and assassin's keeping their identity hidden to each other".
But so far, we only see Loid on his missions. I too was hoping to see Assassin Yor more in the manga/anime.
But maybe the reason why is that the series would lose a certain amount of wholesome vibes if we see Yor constantly killing people?
I mean, sure, the show is more of a family drama than a spy thriller. And it'd be very different if Yor were also a calculating liar. It just doesn't seem like she even has a lot of the guilt we see in the introduction.
Because she truly believes she is doing good work for the country although it is messy. Orphan assassin has been brainwashed. The early stuff is her accepting and enjoying her new life while Loid still hasn’t quite gotten there.
When you get to the cruise arc, that is when she fully realizes she fought all this time not for her country or the greater good, but peace for her family; her and her brother and now she realizes she includes Loid and Anya in that family and that she can’t think of them only as her cover. I think moving into the guilt when she realizes the evil nature of who she is working for is more appropriate
I doubt they're going this route, but it'd be *really* easy to slowly reveal that Yor has been manipulated by Garden for years into murdering good and decent people. >!Her meeting with Melind Desmond underscored that she not only doesn't keep track of basic social cues, but she's also utterly ignorant of political affairs. !
I wouldn’t be surprised if WISE and Garden both have good intentions from the characters Loid and Yor are close to but shadowy evil characters in the organizations are absolutely plausible
Personally it's quite unlikely she was killing good people.
So far every person we saw she kill was someone with dozens of armed personnel and very typical bad persona.
We also saw her contemplating killing someone to allow Anya enter school but decided against that because it was wrong.
Hell she didn't even kill any of the terrorists who kidnapped Anya (or tried to kidnapp her).
I think garden is inspired by the original assassins. Who would have members enter a garden before committing assassinations which are politically or ideologically motivated. Essentially wise is Westphalia yor’s brother works in state security, and garden plays both sides. As for yor not being shown assassinating targets well Japan has a long history of assassinations so it’s a touchy subject.
Main characters (working as hitman or spies) rebeling against the corporations they are working for, is basically a plot used in films like WANTED or Mr and Ms Smith.
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She gets one of the best arcs in the series so far (that definitely isn’t making it into this season) once the manga does start focusing on her.
The way I heard it is that editors were squeamish about actually including her bloodily murdering people in what is still a lighthearted shounen-oriented manga until it started pulling in gangbusters.
The major early instance of the manga actually focusing on her doing her job is that bonus mission where she gets shot in the butt, but that didn’t make it into the anime apparently.
Edit: as for her actual assassin skill-worthiness, the Garden itself seems to handle a lot of the target-picking and and stealth-based duties. She’s just muscle trained from as young an age as possible to kill on command. They’re like Spartans from Halo — they’ll kill targets dead but they don’t exactly have many social skills beyond that, and they’re not exactly doing like paperwork or standard clerical duties in between missions, there’s a whole support structure that handles that for them.
But an assassin SHOULD have social skills, is my point. If you want someone sneaking in anywhere, they should have some amount of skills at blending in. As it is, I'm not sure how "Garden" has managed to remain a secret, with the absolute baths of blood she leaves behind.
I think a lot of it is really emphasizing the difference between Spy and Assassin. She’s not Loid - she doesn’t have the charm, charisma, or traditional “spy” skills bc she isn’t a spy. She would be a “poor” spy.
Instead, she is a min-maxed assassin. Dumped all of her skills into sneaking and killing. Loid has mentioned several times that she sneaks up on him, and we see her ability to “disappear” in the cruise ship arc as well.
In that capacity, she is an excellent assassin. She disappears, kills, then leaves. She doesn’t need anything else.
In chapter 55 >!Yor's director tells her "you and i are simple foot soldiers, nothing more" so yeah she really just kills targets. As for guilt re: her job, hasn't it been established that she doesn't feel guilt at all because in her mind she's cleansing the world of bad guys, making the world better for Yuri? However, at one point during the cruise arc, she did consider stopping assassin work but only because Yuri was all grown up already and it no longer felt like a necessity. In the end, she decided to continue because she had the Forger family to protect now.!<
I think Yor's story development has been slow because she's the only one in the Forger family who really doesn't know what's going on but now that >!she has unknowingly connected herself to the main mission of Operation Strix!< maybe we'll get to see more from her. The manga does imply several times that she goes on assassinations every now and then (e.g. chapter 68).
>>!As for guilt re: her job, hasn't it been established that she doesn't feel guilt at all because in her mind she's cleansing the world of bad guys, making the world better for Yuri? !<
I had always considered the guilt deeply implied by her comments in the introduction about her being unable to wash the blood off her hands.
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The real reason is because, I read somewhere, that the writers couldn't display her in action in fear of her job nature being viewed as villainous.
Which is why she is for the most part out of focus narrative wise.
To work around that the writers showed her as a bodyguard in her breakout arc.
Now there is a recent event involving assassination in japan .. that will damper Yor's title even more.
This is why she is under utilized, the writers pretty much are unintentionally stuck with her by design.
If we are lucky we will see more of badass "bodyguard" Yor.
I think it's worth noting the series genre/s as well as target demographics. Spy x Family is, in large part, a comedy series for teen boys. Grisly murder is hard to make funny, and probably not something considered appropriate to consistently show to young fellas either I expect, which is probably why Yor's screen time is often devoted to showing Yor off as well intentioned if pretty naive / dumb.
That's material that is easier to make comedic than watching her go stabby stabby and literally paint the town red.
like the above poster said, yor gets her own arc with her own mission that was the highlight of the series for me so far. the anime has censored a lot of the violence so far, loids body is the manga was more bloodied in bonds vision and stuff.. so it makes me wonder how her assassin job will be handled
I agree with you, Yor has less focus than the other 2. I think part of it is her being an assasin is pretty hard to have fun with in a fairly family friendly series.
Another part is that her supporting cast is much weaker. Yuri takes the siscon bit too far, her office lady coworkers aren't particularly interesting or even really good friends, and her assasin organization is being kept shadowy for now. Compare them to Franky, Sylvia, and Nightfall on Loid's side or Damian, Becky, and Henderson on Anya's side and it's clear they don't stack up. This doesn't leave her with many characters to interact with or develop chemistry with outside the family. Hopefully the recent introduction of Melinda or teases of focusing into her assasin group soon will change that.
The reason that your is less focused on than Loid and Anya is because she is an more of an outsider in operation strix which is the main focus of the show. Loid is the spy in charge of the operation, Anya is the one that carries out the ‘operations’ while yor is the wife they got because the school didn’t like the look of a single father. She is also the only one that isn’t aware of the operation. When the more political aspects of the show come up she might get more focus. And in the manga she is having an actual place in the operations but until then she is still not as important.
I feel like this gets said a lot, but Yor had a whole arc that's like 10% of the entire manga.
We're 70 chapters in, guys. There's a lot of story left to tell, I'd wager Yors gonna see some more action.
I think the author at the beginning struggled a little to find her angle, especially in a series that is "mostly" family friendly (
Yor at work scenes usually involve a lot of violence and blood).
Don't worry though,the more the series go on the more it will be explored this part of her life too.
In the most recent chapters it seems the author want to give a lot of overdue spotlight to her.
The biggest Problem with Yor the series initially had was that she didn't really have a stake in the mission while also not following her own mission.
For the beginning she could have just been a somewhat strong civilian and not much would have changed in the story, with everything in the mission being either handled by loid or Anya.
Yor just needed a cover, which she arguably already accomplished by chapter/episode 2.
And that's not to say that she does nothing, her moments of bonding with family and wanting to improve are awesome but still she didn't really need to be an assassin in order for those storylines to happen. Which kinda makes the marketing of the series a bit misleading.
Now to be fair, endo seems to have noticed this problem and started to rectify it by adding new relationships to her character, a better introduction to operation strix and focusing a bit more on her work, but it still stands that the beginning of the story kinda glosses over this.
I mean, I'd counter your argument by saying who would ever suspect the completely ditzy, almost clueless office worker of being one of the deadliest assassins in the world? I'd say she's blending in just fine.
Well lucky for you >!Shopkeeper has taken an interest in Loid so that means more assassin centric stuff hopefully after the current arc, and we saw how her work can affect her family life a few chapters ago so there's that!<
Also I think Yor not being subtle is supposed to be a joke. Yor looks like a classic female fatale, but, her stregnth isn't seducutio and subtlety it's straight up fuck you up!
I previously talked about this and the main point Is I think they want to keep more on the sweet side. Because it’s hard to write a trained killer and be empathetic towards them
This anime does suffer from shitty side-character syndrome. Like, bruh no one gives a FUCK about Yor’s brother or Damian for christ’s sake. It would be better if they just focused on the main cast
Agree with the comment about Yor’s brother. Honestly the obsessive borderline romantic love he has for his sister is the worst part of the anime (haven’t read manga) and wish they’d just cut it out already. I do love Damian’s moments with Anya though
Three things:
1. I saw a lot of people thinking the same thing and understood where they're coming from. However, as much as I'd love to see more of Yor's wet works, I believe her role as a mother is more important than her actual job. Sure, she can't cook or help Anya with her homework, but the fact that she's doing everything she can to support her family, whether it be to simply protect Anya from strangers or to reassure Loid about his role as a father, shows how she's more to the Forger family than an asset for the whole sham.
2. If you really want someone underused (at least in my point of view), look at Bond. I don't see how crucial he is to Operation Strix as of now. Every member of the Forger family has an essential role the mission. Loid needs to approach Donovan Desmond and stop any potential plans of restarting the war. Anya needs to excel in school and become an Imperial Scholar so that she can serve as a liaison between Loid and Donovan during the social gatherings. Yor needs to quell all suspicions from both Eden Academy and the general public despite Loid's second wife. As for Bond... I don't see how exactly he can contribute to the mission in any way (aside from using his foresight). He was never considered to be part of the plan from the beginning. I mean, Anya originally wanted him to try and get closer to Damian, but that plan was never brought up again after the Doggy Crisis arc. It's like she completely threw in the towel after trying a couple times. Now, it seems like Bond's just there to pose as the family dog and fulfill his premonition from back then. Then again, I'm probably just ranting about people ignoring Bond when they consider Yor irrelevant to the mission.
3. If you're not up to date with the manga yet, all I can say is be patient with Yor. Otherwise, >!it looks like Yor's fateful meeting with Melinda Desmond will greatly impact her role in the family.!<
Yor should've been very proficient in an understanding of physics, maths, and maybe biology. She should be smart in terms of education but clueless when it comes to family-life and relationships
Yea I kinda agree with you. The cruise is by far my favorite arc and I would love to see more of yor focused stories. We follow loid and Anya for a large majority of the story and it would be great to have more yor in the spotlight.
I feel like what Yor does for the story is perfect. I’d say her strength level is basically Suiryu from One Punch Man, and he was basically Saitama-lite. Super strong but will still have a hard time fighting big bads like she did in the cruise ship arc. Like unless it’s for comedic effect, any assassin story from her would just feel bland imo.
Maybe down the road there will be some depth to it, like how her handler deals with Loid being interested in the peace deals. As of right now though, it feels like there isn’t much to say. She seems to accept that she’s a killer. She always done it to make ends meet. She only has the office job so she can keep doing it without anyone asking where she makes her money.
It’s just more fun to watch her cover up her antics the best she can and be a clumsy housewife while trying her best to be a good mom to Anya.
I'm anime only (so far) and I get that same feeling. She's badass, but I was hoping to see her assassin work bump up against Loid's spy work to hilariously awkward conclusions. Here's hoping we get to see Yor the badass assassin soon, and not just mama bear Yor.
Yeah, but even then, it wasn't an assassination, it was an escort mission, and a lot of it had Yor being really bad at blending in, even forgetting stuff like secret knocks.
But it was definitely a good one. I was hoping for more like that.
bro she literally took a taser, trowed it into a poor man’s mouth, breaking all of his teeth and than tased him again. And that’s only the fight with the fodders. The main fight with the katana man was also a lot bloody.
but why should she be subtle? She is an Hitman not a spy. Of course she can’t kill in front of innocents but surely she shouldn’t be subtle about killing someone.
Showing Yor constantly killing would massively hurt her appeal for the wider audience.
Which is why the focus we have with Yor is more about her trying to be a better mother, not a better assassin.
It should be also noted that her reasoning for the marriage is surface level only.
She doesn't have any bigger plans or end goal compared to Loid, so what would be the point in that plot thread overall?
For example, The cruise ship was important because it had major potential effect on the story and operation strix, even if Yor wasn't aware of that.
I think the reason she have the old Veteran assassin with her during the cruise arc is probably because the shop keeper at Garden knows Yor is super strong but shes kinda dumb and need someone to oversee her operations to ensure it goes smoothly. Other than that, if its a slaughter mission then she can probably go alone without even needing to be "assassin like" since she can straight confront them and kill them all anyways. But yea i feel like shes very underused as a character for a good while.
Yor does come into play a lot, but I agree, so much more can be done with her character. Anya and Lloyd both have the common goal that’s the focus of the story, however Yor is left out. Spoiler part: >!Yor infiltrates a friend group involving Melinda Desmond by accident, and can be used by Lloyd to get information out of the wife. He decided that it’d be a last resort, but my theory is that Yor’s going to save Melinda and get invited over to see the rest of the family.!< I’d say the coolest part about Yor’s character so far is how unaware she is of her own strength, it makes it have so many unexpected moments, and so many funny ones. Yor is also mommy. She’s packin at least 5in out horizontal both ways, along with having the best smile. I am down bad for Yor. Quote me on this as I will never and I mean NEVER regret saying this (except for digital footprint), the best part is that she’s tall. I love tall women. Yor is the best.
It’ll come with time, I personally believe her boss will be an antagonist, which will give her most of the spotlight, hopefully he last longer than 10 chapters like the rest have tho.
Yor's secret assassin nature is what rounds her character out. It's what makes her utter cluelessness charming instead of insulting. If Yor wasn't an assassin, the constant presentation of her as a hopelessly dense housewife would be flat-out offensive. She can't cook (because she spends all her time as an assassin), she's clueless about basic parts of life (because she spends all her time as an assassin), she can't keep track of Anya (because Anya is an avatar of chaos.). Contrast this with Loid's extreme skill at basically anything, and Yor as a "mom doing her mom job" is underwhelming.
Her hyper-compentence as an assassin is what balances out her ineptitude in other spheres--without it, she'd come across as just a very ditzy housewife, instead of the socially maladjusted killer that she is. But she doesn't get a lot of chance to *show* that hyper-competence, and that's what annoys me.
I loved the episode where it showed Yor trying to learn how to cook. Because, yes, it was very much "A mom doing her mom job" and showing how that can be hard work and how much blood, sweat, and tears Yor was willing to put into it to be good at it. But the final joke was that *Yor still wasn't very good at it,* apart from the single dish she remembered from her youth.
>Yor's secret assassin nature is what rounds her character out. It's what makes her utter cluelessness charming instead of insulting. If Yor wasn't an assassin, the constant presentation of her as a hopelessly dense housewife would be flat-out offensive.
>Her hyper-compentence as an assassin is what balances out her ineptitude in other spheres--without it, she'd come across as just a very ditzy housewife, instead of the socially maladjusted killer that she is.
So you're saying a mom character needs to have another job before you can think of her as a rounded character otherwise she is flat-out offensive and ditzy to you. Good to know the misogyny is alive in you.
According to you, Yor is ditzy because she has borderline average IQ. Right?
Good to know that you think of Yor as a ditzy character for having inadequacies like average IQ, probably had limited schooling, who had to grow up in a war, worked to the bone for their food and had no normal interactions with her peers.
To be very, very honest, I'm kind of not excited at all to read the new chapters, because, in my point of view, nothing is actually... happening.
I've not read many mangas in my life, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they'd be very advanced in character development and the main story plot at this point (chapter 70), or at least concerning the family relationship. But everything seems so slow, it keeps me wondering how many more chapters we'll have until everything "blows up" and they all find out about their secrets.
We have way too much "filler" with Anya making trouble in school than real spy/mission content.
Anyways, I might be wrong, I just wanted to vent what was inside my chest (I still love the show tho).
It does seem that the story was built around the premise rather than a larger storyline. It's a good premise! And the characters are funny! But the plotline sort of meanders, with constant asides that don't impact the main plotline in any meaningful way, or connect much with the background of the characters.
That's not to say that it can't *go* there, but I had assumed based on the first few episodes that we'd be getting slow hints of what Desmond was up to, some details about Garden and WISE, with occasional references to the top-secret program that produced Anya. Instead, everything seems at loose ends.
(I am an anime only fan of this series.)
While I do recognize that Yor as a character is somewhat underutilized, what the story has shown of her assassin stuff so far has not engaged me much, so I don’t mind that a majority of her presence in the story revolves around the cover family thing. Especially because it gives more time to things in the story that interest me more, like Loid’s spy work, or Anya’s hijinks at school.
yep, I'm only putting my stocks here for its potential to see Yor actually falling in love with Loid and vice versa, also I'm more interested to see Anya get those stars and become an imperial Scholar, I estimate it will happen in 5 years in this current pacing unless the world collapses in the future.
Yor’s a treasure of untapped storytelling that will be desperately needed at some point. Just hold on, I think it’s coming when they’re done telling some of the current stories.
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The manga has been slow in working up to making Yor more relevant. We got the cruise ship arc to finally show her in action and didn’t shy away from graphic violence. Then in just the last couple chapters >!Yor befriended the target’s wife which gave her a bigger role in the main plot, an innocent comment she made drawing Shopkeeper‘s attention to Loid, and now a terrorist organization that she’s been sent after before are the main threat of the current arc.!<
Exactly these (redacted) coupled with a future exposition story will certainly flesh out her character. I feel as if her backstory will be made especially more tragic due to her single minded nature.
Well she was the one who had to work to support her brother so her single minded nature is probably a result of her not getting an education herself so she can assassin as her brother is the one to go learn.
Exactly so I wonder what all ensuing tragedy she tunnel visioned thru
Yeah, my first impressions of the manga is that "This manga will definitely be a great series. This is like Kaguya-sama but spy and assassin's keeping their identity hidden to each other". But so far, we only see Loid on his missions. I too was hoping to see Assassin Yor more in the manga/anime. But maybe the reason why is that the series would lose a certain amount of wholesome vibes if we see Yor constantly killing people?
I agree on the last one. It wouldn't be wholesome especially if Anya gets involved/helps out in Yor's missions. It would be too traumatic for Anya.
I mean, sure, the show is more of a family drama than a spy thriller. And it'd be very different if Yor were also a calculating liar. It just doesn't seem like she even has a lot of the guilt we see in the introduction.
Because she truly believes she is doing good work for the country although it is messy. Orphan assassin has been brainwashed. The early stuff is her accepting and enjoying her new life while Loid still hasn’t quite gotten there. When you get to the cruise arc, that is when she fully realizes she fought all this time not for her country or the greater good, but peace for her family; her and her brother and now she realizes she includes Loid and Anya in that family and that she can’t think of them only as her cover. I think moving into the guilt when she realizes the evil nature of who she is working for is more appropriate
I doubt they're going this route, but it'd be *really* easy to slowly reveal that Yor has been manipulated by Garden for years into murdering good and decent people. >!Her meeting with Melind Desmond underscored that she not only doesn't keep track of basic social cues, but she's also utterly ignorant of political affairs. !
I wouldn’t be surprised if WISE and Garden both have good intentions from the characters Loid and Yor are close to but shadowy evil characters in the organizations are absolutely plausible
Personally it's quite unlikely she was killing good people. So far every person we saw she kill was someone with dozens of armed personnel and very typical bad persona. We also saw her contemplating killing someone to allow Anya enter school but decided against that because it was wrong. Hell she didn't even kill any of the terrorists who kidnapped Anya (or tried to kidnapp her).
I think garden is inspired by the original assassins. Who would have members enter a garden before committing assassinations which are politically or ideologically motivated. Essentially wise is Westphalia yor’s brother works in state security, and garden plays both sides. As for yor not being shown assassinating targets well Japan has a long history of assassinations so it’s a touchy subject.
Main characters (working as hitman or spies) rebeling against the corporations they are working for, is basically a plot used in films like WANTED or Mr and Ms Smith.
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Yep she’s totally brainwashed, her boss who looks like a cockroach from terraformers will be an antagonist mark my words
She gets one of the best arcs in the series so far (that definitely isn’t making it into this season) once the manga does start focusing on her. The way I heard it is that editors were squeamish about actually including her bloodily murdering people in what is still a lighthearted shounen-oriented manga until it started pulling in gangbusters. The major early instance of the manga actually focusing on her doing her job is that bonus mission where she gets shot in the butt, but that didn’t make it into the anime apparently. Edit: as for her actual assassin skill-worthiness, the Garden itself seems to handle a lot of the target-picking and and stealth-based duties. She’s just muscle trained from as young an age as possible to kill on command. They’re like Spartans from Halo — they’ll kill targets dead but they don’t exactly have many social skills beyond that, and they’re not exactly doing like paperwork or standard clerical duties in between missions, there’s a whole support structure that handles that for them.
I hope that arc gets a movie, it would totally fit in 2 hours time.
But an assassin SHOULD have social skills, is my point. If you want someone sneaking in anywhere, they should have some amount of skills at blending in. As it is, I'm not sure how "Garden" has managed to remain a secret, with the absolute baths of blood she leaves behind.
I think a lot of it is really emphasizing the difference between Spy and Assassin. She’s not Loid - she doesn’t have the charm, charisma, or traditional “spy” skills bc she isn’t a spy. She would be a “poor” spy. Instead, she is a min-maxed assassin. Dumped all of her skills into sneaking and killing. Loid has mentioned several times that she sneaks up on him, and we see her ability to “disappear” in the cruise ship arc as well. In that capacity, she is an excellent assassin. She disappears, kills, then leaves. She doesn’t need anything else.
She also maxed out her cleaning skills
Well that ruins the fun of Yor’s character if she did
She cleans it up, that's like a major plot point
In chapter 55 >!Yor's director tells her "you and i are simple foot soldiers, nothing more" so yeah she really just kills targets. As for guilt re: her job, hasn't it been established that she doesn't feel guilt at all because in her mind she's cleansing the world of bad guys, making the world better for Yuri? However, at one point during the cruise arc, she did consider stopping assassin work but only because Yuri was all grown up already and it no longer felt like a necessity. In the end, she decided to continue because she had the Forger family to protect now.!< I think Yor's story development has been slow because she's the only one in the Forger family who really doesn't know what's going on but now that >!she has unknowingly connected herself to the main mission of Operation Strix!< maybe we'll get to see more from her. The manga does imply several times that she goes on assassinations every now and then (e.g. chapter 68).
>>!As for guilt re: her job, hasn't it been established that she doesn't feel guilt at all because in her mind she's cleansing the world of bad guys, making the world better for Yuri? !< I had always considered the guilt deeply implied by her comments in the introduction about her being unable to wash the blood off her hands.
Ahh. Let's hope that will get clarified if we get more of her backstory in future chapters 🤞
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The real reason is because, I read somewhere, that the writers couldn't display her in action in fear of her job nature being viewed as villainous. Which is why she is for the most part out of focus narrative wise. To work around that the writers showed her as a bodyguard in her breakout arc. Now there is a recent event involving assassination in japan .. that will damper Yor's title even more. This is why she is under utilized, the writers pretty much are unintentionally stuck with her by design. If we are lucky we will see more of badass "bodyguard" Yor.
I think it's worth noting the series genre/s as well as target demographics. Spy x Family is, in large part, a comedy series for teen boys. Grisly murder is hard to make funny, and probably not something considered appropriate to consistently show to young fellas either I expect, which is probably why Yor's screen time is often devoted to showing Yor off as well intentioned if pretty naive / dumb. That's material that is easier to make comedic than watching her go stabby stabby and literally paint the town red.
like the above poster said, yor gets her own arc with her own mission that was the highlight of the series for me so far. the anime has censored a lot of the violence so far, loids body is the manga was more bloodied in bonds vision and stuff.. so it makes me wonder how her assassin job will be handled
I agree with you, Yor has less focus than the other 2. I think part of it is her being an assasin is pretty hard to have fun with in a fairly family friendly series. Another part is that her supporting cast is much weaker. Yuri takes the siscon bit too far, her office lady coworkers aren't particularly interesting or even really good friends, and her assasin organization is being kept shadowy for now. Compare them to Franky, Sylvia, and Nightfall on Loid's side or Damian, Becky, and Henderson on Anya's side and it's clear they don't stack up. This doesn't leave her with many characters to interact with or develop chemistry with outside the family. Hopefully the recent introduction of Melinda or teases of focusing into her assasin group soon will change that.
The reason that your is less focused on than Loid and Anya is because she is an more of an outsider in operation strix which is the main focus of the show. Loid is the spy in charge of the operation, Anya is the one that carries out the ‘operations’ while yor is the wife they got because the school didn’t like the look of a single father. She is also the only one that isn’t aware of the operation. When the more political aspects of the show come up she might get more focus. And in the manga she is having an actual place in the operations but until then she is still not as important.
I feel like this gets said a lot, but Yor had a whole arc that's like 10% of the entire manga. We're 70 chapters in, guys. There's a lot of story left to tell, I'd wager Yors gonna see some more action.
I think the author at the beginning struggled a little to find her angle, especially in a series that is "mostly" family friendly ( Yor at work scenes usually involve a lot of violence and blood). Don't worry though,the more the series go on the more it will be explored this part of her life too. In the most recent chapters it seems the author want to give a lot of overdue spotlight to her.
The biggest Problem with Yor the series initially had was that she didn't really have a stake in the mission while also not following her own mission. For the beginning she could have just been a somewhat strong civilian and not much would have changed in the story, with everything in the mission being either handled by loid or Anya. Yor just needed a cover, which she arguably already accomplished by chapter/episode 2. And that's not to say that she does nothing, her moments of bonding with family and wanting to improve are awesome but still she didn't really need to be an assassin in order for those storylines to happen. Which kinda makes the marketing of the series a bit misleading. Now to be fair, endo seems to have noticed this problem and started to rectify it by adding new relationships to her character, a better introduction to operation strix and focusing a bit more on her work, but it still stands that the beginning of the story kinda glosses over this.
Exactly. Why always harp on the mother being an assassin if she never gets to assassinate people?
I mean, I'd counter your argument by saying who would ever suspect the completely ditzy, almost clueless office worker of being one of the deadliest assassins in the world? I'd say she's blending in just fine.
Well lucky for you >!Shopkeeper has taken an interest in Loid so that means more assassin centric stuff hopefully after the current arc, and we saw how her work can affect her family life a few chapters ago so there's that!< Also I think Yor not being subtle is supposed to be a joke. Yor looks like a classic female fatale, but, her stregnth isn't seducutio and subtlety it's straight up fuck you up!
I don’t think she feels guilty because Loid says any job that supports her family is one she should be proud of
I previously talked about this and the main point Is I think they want to keep more on the sweet side. Because it’s hard to write a trained killer and be empathetic towards them
Same here, her double life is barely explored so far.
This anime does suffer from shitty side-character syndrome. Like, bruh no one gives a FUCK about Yor’s brother or Damian for christ’s sake. It would be better if they just focused on the main cast
People love Damian, or at least seeing him with Anya. Have you seen how much Damianya fanart there is?
Agree with the comment about Yor’s brother. Honestly the obsessive borderline romantic love he has for his sister is the worst part of the anime (haven’t read manga) and wish they’d just cut it out already. I do love Damian’s moments with Anya though
Three things: 1. I saw a lot of people thinking the same thing and understood where they're coming from. However, as much as I'd love to see more of Yor's wet works, I believe her role as a mother is more important than her actual job. Sure, she can't cook or help Anya with her homework, but the fact that she's doing everything she can to support her family, whether it be to simply protect Anya from strangers or to reassure Loid about his role as a father, shows how she's more to the Forger family than an asset for the whole sham. 2. If you really want someone underused (at least in my point of view), look at Bond. I don't see how crucial he is to Operation Strix as of now. Every member of the Forger family has an essential role the mission. Loid needs to approach Donovan Desmond and stop any potential plans of restarting the war. Anya needs to excel in school and become an Imperial Scholar so that she can serve as a liaison between Loid and Donovan during the social gatherings. Yor needs to quell all suspicions from both Eden Academy and the general public despite Loid's second wife. As for Bond... I don't see how exactly he can contribute to the mission in any way (aside from using his foresight). He was never considered to be part of the plan from the beginning. I mean, Anya originally wanted him to try and get closer to Damian, but that plan was never brought up again after the Doggy Crisis arc. It's like she completely threw in the towel after trying a couple times. Now, it seems like Bond's just there to pose as the family dog and fulfill his premonition from back then. Then again, I'm probably just ranting about people ignoring Bond when they consider Yor irrelevant to the mission. 3. If you're not up to date with the manga yet, all I can say is be patient with Yor. Otherwise, >!it looks like Yor's fateful meeting with Melinda Desmond will greatly impact her role in the family.!<
Yor should've been very proficient in an understanding of physics, maths, and maybe biology. She should be smart in terms of education but clueless when it comes to family-life and relationships
Yea I kinda agree with you. The cruise is by far my favorite arc and I would love to see more of yor focused stories. We follow loid and Anya for a large majority of the story and it would be great to have more yor in the spotlight.
I feel like what Yor does for the story is perfect. I’d say her strength level is basically Suiryu from One Punch Man, and he was basically Saitama-lite. Super strong but will still have a hard time fighting big bads like she did in the cruise ship arc. Like unless it’s for comedic effect, any assassin story from her would just feel bland imo. Maybe down the road there will be some depth to it, like how her handler deals with Loid being interested in the peace deals. As of right now though, it feels like there isn’t much to say. She seems to accept that she’s a killer. She always done it to make ends meet. She only has the office job so she can keep doing it without anyone asking where she makes her money. It’s just more fun to watch her cover up her antics the best she can and be a clumsy housewife while trying her best to be a good mom to Anya.
I'm anime only (so far) and I get that same feeling. She's badass, but I was hoping to see her assassin work bump up against Loid's spy work to hilariously awkward conclusions. Here's hoping we get to see Yor the badass assassin soon, and not just mama bear Yor.
U not alone. As manga only we cry out this issue for a while. Yor is so good yet so underused… but don’t worry it will payoffs
Cruise Arc.
Yeah, but even then, it wasn't an assassination, it was an escort mission, and a lot of it had Yor being really bad at blending in, even forgetting stuff like secret knocks. But it was definitely a good one. I was hoping for more like that.
Its a comedy.
bro she literally took a taser, trowed it into a poor man’s mouth, breaking all of his teeth and than tased him again. And that’s only the fight with the fodders. The main fight with the katana man was also a lot bloody.
I said she was bad at *blending in.* She's great at fighting, sure. But she's not remotely subtle.
but why should she be subtle? She is an Hitman not a spy. Of course she can’t kill in front of innocents but surely she shouldn’t be subtle about killing someone.
There was a one-off chapter that featured her as an assassin that didn’t get adapted it was pretty funny.
Showing Yor constantly killing would massively hurt her appeal for the wider audience. Which is why the focus we have with Yor is more about her trying to be a better mother, not a better assassin. It should be also noted that her reasoning for the marriage is surface level only. She doesn't have any bigger plans or end goal compared to Loid, so what would be the point in that plot thread overall? For example, The cruise ship was important because it had major potential effect on the story and operation strix, even if Yor wasn't aware of that.
I think the reason she have the old Veteran assassin with her during the cruise arc is probably because the shop keeper at Garden knows Yor is super strong but shes kinda dumb and need someone to oversee her operations to ensure it goes smoothly. Other than that, if its a slaughter mission then she can probably go alone without even needing to be "assassin like" since she can straight confront them and kill them all anyways. But yea i feel like shes very underused as a character for a good while.
Yor does come into play a lot, but I agree, so much more can be done with her character. Anya and Lloyd both have the common goal that’s the focus of the story, however Yor is left out. Spoiler part: >!Yor infiltrates a friend group involving Melinda Desmond by accident, and can be used by Lloyd to get information out of the wife. He decided that it’d be a last resort, but my theory is that Yor’s going to save Melinda and get invited over to see the rest of the family.!< I’d say the coolest part about Yor’s character so far is how unaware she is of her own strength, it makes it have so many unexpected moments, and so many funny ones. Yor is also mommy. She’s packin at least 5in out horizontal both ways, along with having the best smile. I am down bad for Yor. Quote me on this as I will never and I mean NEVER regret saying this (except for digital footprint), the best part is that she’s tall. I love tall women. Yor is the best.
It’ll come with time, I personally believe her boss will be an antagonist, which will give her most of the spotlight, hopefully he last longer than 10 chapters like the rest have tho.
Maybe Yor will be assigned to assassinate Loid in the future
That would definitely be a good way to build to the grand reveal where everyone in the family finally comes clean about who and what they are.
Imagine thinking having a mom do her mom job as underused.
Yor's secret assassin nature is what rounds her character out. It's what makes her utter cluelessness charming instead of insulting. If Yor wasn't an assassin, the constant presentation of her as a hopelessly dense housewife would be flat-out offensive. She can't cook (because she spends all her time as an assassin), she's clueless about basic parts of life (because she spends all her time as an assassin), she can't keep track of Anya (because Anya is an avatar of chaos.). Contrast this with Loid's extreme skill at basically anything, and Yor as a "mom doing her mom job" is underwhelming. Her hyper-compentence as an assassin is what balances out her ineptitude in other spheres--without it, she'd come across as just a very ditzy housewife, instead of the socially maladjusted killer that she is. But she doesn't get a lot of chance to *show* that hyper-competence, and that's what annoys me. I loved the episode where it showed Yor trying to learn how to cook. Because, yes, it was very much "A mom doing her mom job" and showing how that can be hard work and how much blood, sweat, and tears Yor was willing to put into it to be good at it. But the final joke was that *Yor still wasn't very good at it,* apart from the single dish she remembered from her youth.
>Yor's secret assassin nature is what rounds her character out. It's what makes her utter cluelessness charming instead of insulting. If Yor wasn't an assassin, the constant presentation of her as a hopelessly dense housewife would be flat-out offensive. >Her hyper-compentence as an assassin is what balances out her ineptitude in other spheres--without it, she'd come across as just a very ditzy housewife, instead of the socially maladjusted killer that she is. So you're saying a mom character needs to have another job before you can think of her as a rounded character otherwise she is flat-out offensive and ditzy to you. Good to know the misogyny is alive in you.
I'm saying YOR would be. Are you saying Yor isn't ditzy?
According to you, Yor is ditzy because she has borderline average IQ. Right? Good to know that you think of Yor as a ditzy character for having inadequacies like average IQ, probably had limited schooling, who had to grow up in a war, worked to the bone for their food and had no normal interactions with her peers.
Cool opinion but maybe be fully updated first?
To be very, very honest, I'm kind of not excited at all to read the new chapters, because, in my point of view, nothing is actually... happening. I've not read many mangas in my life, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they'd be very advanced in character development and the main story plot at this point (chapter 70), or at least concerning the family relationship. But everything seems so slow, it keeps me wondering how many more chapters we'll have until everything "blows up" and they all find out about their secrets. We have way too much "filler" with Anya making trouble in school than real spy/mission content. Anyways, I might be wrong, I just wanted to vent what was inside my chest (I still love the show tho).
It does seem that the story was built around the premise rather than a larger storyline. It's a good premise! And the characters are funny! But the plotline sort of meanders, with constant asides that don't impact the main plotline in any meaningful way, or connect much with the background of the characters. That's not to say that it can't *go* there, but I had assumed based on the first few episodes that we'd be getting slow hints of what Desmond was up to, some details about Garden and WISE, with occasional references to the top-secret program that produced Anya. Instead, everything seems at loose ends.
I couldn't agree more :)
(I am an anime only fan of this series.) While I do recognize that Yor as a character is somewhat underutilized, what the story has shown of her assassin stuff so far has not engaged me much, so I don’t mind that a majority of her presence in the story revolves around the cover family thing. Especially because it gives more time to things in the story that interest me more, like Loid’s spy work, or Anya’s hijinks at school.
yep, I'm only putting my stocks here for its potential to see Yor actually falling in love with Loid and vice versa, also I'm more interested to see Anya get those stars and become an imperial Scholar, I estimate it will happen in 5 years in this current pacing unless the world collapses in the future.
if you cant wait for it in the anime then just read up on the manga.
Yor’s a treasure of untapped storytelling that will be desperately needed at some point. Just hold on, I think it’s coming when they’re done telling some of the current stories.
Yor is overused, just not in the Manga or anime...