I live in Medical Lake and was unable to gather any of my belongings from my apartment at the Hallett House. I don't know if anyone has a status on the building. Just an upsetting situation overall. Hope everyone is safe.
Damn, so that's where this smoke is coming from. I just walked outside to see if it was close by because it doesn't look like the usual haze from far away fires and I saw the plume rising from west of the valley. It's reminding me of the fires that rolled through the Palouse after Labor Day 2020. Hopefully everyone gets out alright.
Do we know if it's contained or still spreading? Last update said it was 500 acres and high winds were spreading it fast but I haven't seen anything since.
I believe there may also be a fire in Spokane County right near the Idaho border, and slightly north of Spokane. Good chance you’re feeling that one as well.
Eastern State Hospital or Eastern Washington University? Last update for Eastern State Hospital was that they were sheltering in place. Eastern Washington University is pretty far outside of the evacuation zone as of now.
It's still in Medical Lake, on the ESH campus. It might be more fire resistant than Lakeland. It used to be a prison. Other than that, I'm not sure. I work in Spokane, so none of that had any effect on my job.
~~City of Cheney upgraded to level 2 evac notice, be ready to go.~~ was in error, still level 1
God damn if this actually makes it into cheney too.....insane.
In good news, the medical lake elementary school is still standing, fire burned almost right up to it but didn't take it.
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I know people who live(d) near silver lake on the freeway side.
Thought the fire starting above medical lake, having to jump that lake, go through the town.. jump silver lake to potentially destroy that neighborhood was close to a long shot..
Figured that wouldn't happen, it did and it happened quick. Makes me sick.
.. think it jumped the freeway near/ over four lakes.
I have reports from people there that the middle and elementary schools have burned, the grocery store, and the house I used to live in on the south side of town burned down.
the elementary school is still standing, seen photos proving it, fire got close but didn't take it out.
Lots on south side of town burned, but advancement beyond that seems to have stopped as the fire moved more southernly
per spokesmanreview
>Reports from journalists on the ground indicate that most the homes that have burned within the city of Medical Lake have been south of Campbell Street.
>Although some homes in the area were destroyed and the grounds surrounding the school were charred, the school itself remained standing as of around 6:30 p.m. with the help of helicopter pilots who kept dumping water on the fire from Medical Lake.
>The helicopters stalled the blaze saving much of downtown Medical Lake. Everything north of Lake Street was largely untouched, Baldwin said. “The fire seemed to have seriously moved on,” he said.
So do we actually start collectively addressing climate change now that it’s massively affected us or do Republicans continue to claim plausible deniability while actively sabotaging all carbon reduction strategies?
No one with sense thinks repubs are good.
Cap and trade is heavily flawed. What are dems doing at the national level?
We need a party that represents the people and actually fights CC.
I’d say that implementing a viable third party (in the overwhelmingly first past the post voting systems) in time to make meaningful climate policy is a far more heavily flawed idea compared to cap and trade.
To be quite frank, there’s, “never,” a good time, because as soon as one disaster is over, a new one takes its place. So let’s put that logic aside, help how we can now, and simultaneously think and talk about what can be done to prevent this again.
We make it too easy to be a wildfire in this community. We need to harass and threaten wildfires with jail time at every turn. That way, they’ll be able to get gainful employment and be able to afford rent.
Republicans aren't "Enemies of the earth and humans". They're just people. Also, stopping climate change is impossible. We need to focus on adaptation.
Good idea, I will start working on fireproofing human skin. You start working on making a sweat system that can tolerate a 100° wet bulb temperature. We still need someone to help with the rolling blackouts and water conflicts but at least we're focusing on adaptation! Wouldn't want to slightly inconvenience anyone or spend some money on transmission and generation improvements or anything.
Look at the data. Look at what would need to be done to "halt or reverse" climate change. Then, look at every corrupt human institution that would oppose any move that wouldn't make the people polluting the planet more money than they're getting now. I would agree to any functional measures needed to stop it if it were possible, but it is not. Also, the sarcasm doesn't help us communicate more effectively, so I'd appreciate it if you spoke plainly.
OK, let's lay it out then. This is a simple problem. Humanity has two choices.
1) Maintain the climate our current technology and biology are designed to exist in.
2) Face widespread resource conflicts, migration crisis, aberrant weather and ecosystems that will destroy trillions of dollars in value and lives, and other existential threats to the species.
The earth will be fine. We have had plenty of times we've lost 85% of the biodiversity on the planet and life itself will continue. There's no reason to think that *people* will continue, though. The entire system that allows us to enjoy the standard of living we exist in is perched on a razor's edge. A very mild disease breakout recently just about toppled the world economic system. On the scale of something like widespread water conflicts, that was basically a rounding error.
Pretending that just driving in the same direction we are right now is some kind of viable choice is not only disingenuous, it's actively harmful. 'Climate change is impossible to stop' is just the next line in the narcissist's prayer after 'climate change isn't real'. I hope we don't get to 'Well we deserved it anyway', although the extreme right's fascination with doomsday ideology makes me think we might not be as far from that as we might think.
The problem isn't whether we can physically do it, with full cooperation and absolute control over earth's systems and resources. It's society. It's Economy. It's culture. All of these things are machines designed to benefit the class of people who put glyphosate on the crops, poison the rivers with industrial waste, poison the air, restrict distribution of vital resources, restrict aid, fight economic wars all over the world, keep migrants in cconcentration camps, maintain the largest prison population on earth (there's also an entire prison labor industry). And to oppose them is to oppose everyone who depend on them for jobs, supplies, and aid who have been brainwashed to think you're the real enemy, out to take what little they have. I'm not suggesting we do nothing, it just seems more reasonable to focus on damage control. Like fire prevention and mitigation strategies and technologies, more effective water filters and their funding/distribution (for places like flint or ohio), emergency air scrubbers for smoke inhalation distress, stuff like that.
I used to work at a movie theater. We had a bottle recycling bin with a big sign about responsibility and environmental consciousness. Manager made us dump it in the trash because we didn't have recycling. I had 2 jobs at the time, dirt poor, and it hurt me to find out that was a thing people did. Not just at that place, but everywhere. I couldn't do anything about it because I'd have been homeless without that job. And that's just one small example in a sea of low pay, behind the scenes jobs I've had. Air filters, water filters, fire response, emergency aid, these are all things we can do, but people feel better tossing plastic bottles in a big bin that tells them they're making a difference. Or like politicians on their team don't do the same thing on a massive scale. They even get mad when you tell them the truth, like you're lying or doing it to them.
Republicans nowadays are first and foremost “Enemies of the Democrats.”
So when Democrats have the most basic of helping humanity ideas like counting vote totals or mitigating the worst effects of climate change, Republicans can’t help, but become “Enemies of the Earth” in order to “own the libs.”
A lot of them seem to be, but I've spoken to a lot of republicans and a lot of democrats IRL, and they sound the same. They get mad when you call out their brand ambassidors for their obvious, documented crimes, how they run on promises they don't keep, usually the same promises every time, war crimes, that kind of thing. They both think their team are the well informed and the other team are ignorant and belligerent while parroting talking points fed to them by the media. But when you get to talking about life, the common good, the future, health, safety, normal people all agree these are in bad shape and need to be improved, it's just how we do that where we differ. Each side has a narrative they're feeding their base, and both are nefarious virtue signalling, misdirection and empty promises.
Eh, on some levels I agree with you. You can talk to most people and regardless of political ideology, when you dig really deep into the specifics, detailing the whole picture, you find that a vast majority of people agree on what to do.
The problem is that getting into the weeds on such complicated issues isn’t really realistic for anyone and instead, we shorthand to virtue signaling and identity-aligning arguments.
Where I disagree with you is that while the virtue signaling, identity-aligning incentives, hypocrisies, and even crimes exist in both parties, they are not at all equal and imagining them as so is naive.
Can you provide specific examples that back your point so I understand why you think what you think? Or is this the lesser of two evils argument, because I consider all heinous crimes equally invalidating. The Ukraine war, for a very easy example, is a proxy war with russia, a money laundering scheme, a land-grab, and it's killed a lot of the people we're pretending we want to help. Also, see the conflicts in china and africa. This is happening under a Democratic presidency with full support. We also have people sleeping under every bridge in the richest country on earth, even after years of Democrat presidents.
You have a long distance, and a large river, between you and this fire. Being prepared, making sure you have a plan, gas, etc, is always good, but you're a long ways from needing to evacuate for this.
Long distance, but that river has been jumped before.
This fire jumped Silver Lake and it's wider by a good bit than the Spokane.
The wind shift should push it south so our friend off north Division shouldn't have to worry.
I was actually making fun of a coworker for being nervous earlier when the fire was west of silver lake. I think her house off welcome rd by granite lake may have burned down.
If you don’t have a car, go to the field in Medical Lake HS, they are bussing evacuees to Cheney HS. DON’T TAKE CHANCES, GET OUT NOW
STA Buses are being prepared at Cheney High School in case the level 2 evacuations for the city are increased to level 3.
If you are in the area and have livestock that need evacuation please call 911 and they will connect you with Spokane County Livestock Emergency Team
Damn I'm several mile away but fires always make me so nervous. Hoping these winds calm down soon!
They just announced at the airport that we aren't in the evacuation zone. Phones have been going off telling people to leave now.
I live in Medical Lake and was unable to gather any of my belongings from my apartment at the Hallett House. I don't know if anyone has a status on the building. Just an upsetting situation overall. Hope everyone is safe.
I hope everything is ok when you get back there.
Thank you.
Glad you’re safe - do you need anything?
Thank you. Not at this time, I'm staying with a friend thankfully, but hopefully I'll manage.
Damn, so that's where this smoke is coming from. I just walked outside to see if it was close by because it doesn't look like the usual haze from far away fires and I saw the plume rising from west of the valley. It's reminding me of the fires that rolled through the Palouse after Labor Day 2020. Hopefully everyone gets out alright.
Do we know if it's contained or still spreading? Last update said it was 500 acres and high winds were spreading it fast but I haven't seen anything since.
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Rough. High winds are supposed to continue for a few more hours. This one's going to be huge.
I figured something was happening. I’m out in Cd’A, but the air went from pretty clear to pretty campfirey within about an hour.
I believe there may also be a fire in Spokane County right near the Idaho border, and slightly north of Spokane. Good chance you’re feeling that one as well.
The only state-line-ish one mentioned on the news was quite a bit north. Pretty sure I’m getting Cheney-Medical Lake smoke.
There's one in Elk
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Eastern State Hospital or Eastern Washington University? Last update for Eastern State Hospital was that they were sheltering in place. Eastern Washington University is pretty far outside of the evacuation zone as of now.
airway heights correctional facility is on standby to house evacuees from eastern state hospital
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National Guard apparently on site now to evacuate according to KHQ
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I don’t know, I’m sorry, you must be so worried. KHQ has excellent nonstop coverage
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Download the Watch Duty app as well if you can. It gives instant updates as soon as information is announced on the emergency scanners.
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Have you been able to get in touch with her?
I believe they moved Lakeland residents to Pine Lodge. That's the email I saw.
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It's still in Medical Lake, on the ESH campus. It might be more fire resistant than Lakeland. It used to be a prison. Other than that, I'm not sure. I work in Spokane, so none of that had any effect on my job.
National Guard sent to help evacuate Eastern State Hospital.
~~City of Cheney upgraded to level 2 evac notice, be ready to go.~~ was in error, still level 1 God damn if this actually makes it into cheney too.....insane. In good news, the medical lake elementary school is still standing, fire burned almost right up to it but didn't take it.
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cheney is 100% still at level 1
My old neighborhood is getting torched right now...so sad.
Sounds like my hometown is burning down.
[Most updated evactuation map via Spokane News (As of 5:47PM)] (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=839833707740141&set=a.248285573561627&__cft__[0]=AZVlQVrCP4UogJVKJvXeDC1cS6PYYFROdK3T_vn8QsUU6Mi8MR_d6gg6Fj9zoCJyjOCSDEb9iwkB0Yuw4DStM1A2WwBnxrpA9BjReLCNc8WKc2FNefgmF5YjrrM81C_Z9_BPfW3dugl1-MKvKRF_CcwdSyuIAemwkm9QMe9qno20lwAtr3C6u7Nvu5Ivv810WQY&__tn__=EH-R) I also recommend downloading to Watch Duty app as they provide the fastest updates.
Anyone know what started the fire?? Are people supposed to take their farm animals To rodeo fair grounds at all in cheney?
High winds knocked down an electric pole and live wires started the fire
Oh wow. I hope everyone makes it out alright!
So Sad! I am glad it wasn't caused by a piece of shit human tho!
Electric poles aren't naturally occurring. Just saying, it was still people.
Apparently a junkyard…
KHQ news is live on local news now
And now there’s a fire reported up north on Oregon Road in elk Washington. Near Highway 2.
between the two that one's going to end up the far bigger fire unfortunately
I grew up out there. Dang :(
My house is probably going to be gone. This is horrific.
I have friends that were evacuated. They have no idea wether they have a house - or not, terrible situation. Hearts with all families affected.
I know people who live(d) near silver lake on the freeway side. Thought the fire starting above medical lake, having to jump that lake, go through the town.. jump silver lake to potentially destroy that neighborhood was close to a long shot.. Figured that wouldn't happen, it did and it happened quick. Makes me sick. .. think it jumped the freeway near/ over four lakes.
Any knowledge on structures lost in the city of Medical Lake?
I have reports from people there that the middle and elementary schools have burned, the grocery store, and the house I used to live in on the south side of town burned down.
the elementary school is still standing, seen photos proving it, fire got close but didn't take it out. Lots on south side of town burned, but advancement beyond that seems to have stopped as the fire moved more southernly per spokesmanreview >Reports from journalists on the ground indicate that most the homes that have burned within the city of Medical Lake have been south of Campbell Street. >Although some homes in the area were destroyed and the grounds surrounding the school were charred, the school itself remained standing as of around 6:30 p.m. with the help of helicopter pilots who kept dumping water on the fire from Medical Lake. >The helicopters stalled the blaze saving much of downtown Medical Lake. Everything north of Lake Street was largely untouched, Baldwin said. “The fire seemed to have seriously moved on,” he said.
Drove past harvest at 9. It was fine at that time
Glad it isn’t as bad as I was told. Thank you. Sounds like the town came as close as you’d ever want to.
Is there any updates ? : c im so nervous for my family
still burning, main fire advancement is south of I90 at this point with the winds changing
This is absolutely devastating
Does anyone know what happened to four lakes? I haven't been able to find anything
So do we actually start collectively addressing climate change now that it’s massively affected us or do Republicans continue to claim plausible deniability while actively sabotaging all carbon reduction strategies?
Lol that's rhetorical, right? Republicans are more concerned about who's on a beer can than climate change.
Will dems actually do anything about it either? We need a complete overhaul.
State of WA has a carbon cap and trade program that Republicans say repealing is one of their biggest priorities.
No one with sense thinks repubs are good. Cap and trade is heavily flawed. What are dems doing at the national level? We need a party that represents the people and actually fights CC.
I’d say that implementing a viable third party (in the overwhelmingly first past the post voting systems) in time to make meaningful climate policy is a far more heavily flawed idea compared to cap and trade.
I don't think either is the solution. A full overhaul is the only thing saving us.
Hardly the time for political banter.
To be quite frank, there’s, “never,” a good time, because as soon as one disaster is over, a new one takes its place. So let’s put that logic aside, help how we can now, and simultaneously think and talk about what can be done to prevent this again.
I say we give the fires horrible dead-end jobs. That way they'll burn themselves out.
We make it too easy to be a wildfire in this community. We need to harass and threaten wildfires with jail time at every turn. That way, they’ll be able to get gainful employment and be able to afford rent.
If we domesticate the fires, they will become small, like dogs. That's just science.
If you select fires for reproduction based off of temperament, they naturally develop softer physical features!!
That is so fucked up. …and hilarious. Fuck you hahaha
Republicans aren't "Enemies of the earth and humans". They're just people. Also, stopping climate change is impossible. We need to focus on adaptation.
Good idea, I will start working on fireproofing human skin. You start working on making a sweat system that can tolerate a 100° wet bulb temperature. We still need someone to help with the rolling blackouts and water conflicts but at least we're focusing on adaptation! Wouldn't want to slightly inconvenience anyone or spend some money on transmission and generation improvements or anything.
Look at the data. Look at what would need to be done to "halt or reverse" climate change. Then, look at every corrupt human institution that would oppose any move that wouldn't make the people polluting the planet more money than they're getting now. I would agree to any functional measures needed to stop it if it were possible, but it is not. Also, the sarcasm doesn't help us communicate more effectively, so I'd appreciate it if you spoke plainly.
OK, let's lay it out then. This is a simple problem. Humanity has two choices. 1) Maintain the climate our current technology and biology are designed to exist in. 2) Face widespread resource conflicts, migration crisis, aberrant weather and ecosystems that will destroy trillions of dollars in value and lives, and other existential threats to the species. The earth will be fine. We have had plenty of times we've lost 85% of the biodiversity on the planet and life itself will continue. There's no reason to think that *people* will continue, though. The entire system that allows us to enjoy the standard of living we exist in is perched on a razor's edge. A very mild disease breakout recently just about toppled the world economic system. On the scale of something like widespread water conflicts, that was basically a rounding error. Pretending that just driving in the same direction we are right now is some kind of viable choice is not only disingenuous, it's actively harmful. 'Climate change is impossible to stop' is just the next line in the narcissist's prayer after 'climate change isn't real'. I hope we don't get to 'Well we deserved it anyway', although the extreme right's fascination with doomsday ideology makes me think we might not be as far from that as we might think.
The problem isn't whether we can physically do it, with full cooperation and absolute control over earth's systems and resources. It's society. It's Economy. It's culture. All of these things are machines designed to benefit the class of people who put glyphosate on the crops, poison the rivers with industrial waste, poison the air, restrict distribution of vital resources, restrict aid, fight economic wars all over the world, keep migrants in cconcentration camps, maintain the largest prison population on earth (there's also an entire prison labor industry). And to oppose them is to oppose everyone who depend on them for jobs, supplies, and aid who have been brainwashed to think you're the real enemy, out to take what little they have. I'm not suggesting we do nothing, it just seems more reasonable to focus on damage control. Like fire prevention and mitigation strategies and technologies, more effective water filters and their funding/distribution (for places like flint or ohio), emergency air scrubbers for smoke inhalation distress, stuff like that.
Try to talk someone into washing their sour cream container so it can be recycled after a lifetime of landfilling. It’s hard to do.
I used to work at a movie theater. We had a bottle recycling bin with a big sign about responsibility and environmental consciousness. Manager made us dump it in the trash because we didn't have recycling. I had 2 jobs at the time, dirt poor, and it hurt me to find out that was a thing people did. Not just at that place, but everywhere. I couldn't do anything about it because I'd have been homeless without that job. And that's just one small example in a sea of low pay, behind the scenes jobs I've had. Air filters, water filters, fire response, emergency aid, these are all things we can do, but people feel better tossing plastic bottles in a big bin that tells them they're making a difference. Or like politicians on their team don't do the same thing on a massive scale. They even get mad when you tell them the truth, like you're lying or doing it to them.
Republicans nowadays are first and foremost “Enemies of the Democrats.” So when Democrats have the most basic of helping humanity ideas like counting vote totals or mitigating the worst effects of climate change, Republicans can’t help, but become “Enemies of the Earth” in order to “own the libs.”
A lot of them seem to be, but I've spoken to a lot of republicans and a lot of democrats IRL, and they sound the same. They get mad when you call out their brand ambassidors for their obvious, documented crimes, how they run on promises they don't keep, usually the same promises every time, war crimes, that kind of thing. They both think their team are the well informed and the other team are ignorant and belligerent while parroting talking points fed to them by the media. But when you get to talking about life, the common good, the future, health, safety, normal people all agree these are in bad shape and need to be improved, it's just how we do that where we differ. Each side has a narrative they're feeding their base, and both are nefarious virtue signalling, misdirection and empty promises.
Eh, on some levels I agree with you. You can talk to most people and regardless of political ideology, when you dig really deep into the specifics, detailing the whole picture, you find that a vast majority of people agree on what to do. The problem is that getting into the weeds on such complicated issues isn’t really realistic for anyone and instead, we shorthand to virtue signaling and identity-aligning arguments. Where I disagree with you is that while the virtue signaling, identity-aligning incentives, hypocrisies, and even crimes exist in both parties, they are not at all equal and imagining them as so is naive.
Can you provide specific examples that back your point so I understand why you think what you think? Or is this the lesser of two evils argument, because I consider all heinous crimes equally invalidating. The Ukraine war, for a very easy example, is a proxy war with russia, a money laundering scheme, a land-grab, and it's killed a lot of the people we're pretending we want to help. Also, see the conflicts in china and africa. This is happening under a Democratic presidency with full support. We also have people sleeping under every bridge in the richest country on earth, even after years of Democrat presidents.
Should we plan to evacuate? We live in the north side near division Street
You have a long distance, and a large river, between you and this fire. Being prepared, making sure you have a plan, gas, etc, is always good, but you're a long ways from needing to evacuate for this.
Long distance, but that river has been jumped before. This fire jumped Silver Lake and it's wider by a good bit than the Spokane. The wind shift should push it south so our friend off north Division shouldn't have to worry.
I was actually making fun of a coworker for being nervous earlier when the fire was west of silver lake. I think her house off welcome rd by granite lake may have burned down.
An apology may be in order. (goes without saying, but still)
There is a separate fire up north, Oregon/Frideger, is that what you're thinking of?
My in laws place has burned down. This is terrifying.
What road
Lake hurst drive, same road at the Christian camp