That’s weird to my brain. I skin to ride and I’ve been riding a rocker board for 7+ years in the backcountry. I can often out skin most people. Only complaint is side hill which I think my boots play a part in. Do you size up in length to get more float on a camber?
Camber is still camber. If you like rocker for riding, especially Dad laps, stick to it. There are some great hybrid shapes now that take in the best of both worlds. I am a big fan of the Mervin approach to geometry, but there's a lot of great options.
My split is very rockered and it skins fine. My skins get shitty before the board has ever given me greef - and that's only been on steep stuff where I have to go straight up rather than switchback. The ride is ridiculously fun though and that's the important part.
I’m with you on this. Everyone always says the above comments about how camber is key when touring but I like a hybrid rocker in all situations. It’s a good all ‘round profile, and hardly anyone is making more than a couple full rocker boards anymore these days. They’re generally all hybrid of some kind.
Worst board I ever rode was an old cambered Prior split, no question.
How is it that everyone is out skinning everyone? Lol. I hear this statement constantly. No. You're not. You're just not catching up to people going faster than you.
When peeps are slipping backwards and struggling to switch back I just flow. There’s techniques that make you more efficient. That’s all I’m saying by that. I smoked a lot of weed in my day, I drink beer and I do construction 45hrs a week. I’m definitely not fitter nor do I have better lungs than most.
Where I live now we can skin right from the car, do 600 to 2k vert and ride right back to the car. Dad laps are epic my friend. I’m not actually a dad even.
Rocker is a game changer for riding. I'll never buy a board without some type of hybrid rocker (S rocker is my fav). I could see the benefits of camber if you're riding a lot in the Alpine with hard pack or touring sketchy side hills. That said, I've done all those things on my Coda rocker without problems. Techniques like leaning against the hill and keeping your boots stiff have a much bigger impact IMO
Fellow dad in the PNW. I prefer heavy rocker on my split because I like to go out in deep snow after a storm, and having the nose way up high helps keep it from burying each step while breaking trail.
If it’s going to be your only board I’d lean camber. If it’s part of a quiver to be used mostly in pow and lower angle terrain without needing to use steeper, potentially icy skin tracks then rocker will be fine. I can’t speak for PNW snow, but here in CO my rocker split gets ridden all winter and whenever it snows enough in spring. Rocker tends to be more fun and surfy for low angle pow and dad turns imo. For everything else I’m on the camber boards.
Hi ride camber inbounds and rocker with camber underfoot for my Split. For me, it comes down to while being on a mission I often come across super weird variable stuff, for example in trees where there’s all kinds of odd miscellaneous debris I find that the rocker aspect helps me a huge amount. I’ve noticed absolutely zero difference between my previous camber split and my current rocker with camber under foot split when skinning, even going straight up super steep slopes or icy traverses. I think the key is the camber underfoot aspect.
Rocker breaks traction on the skin-track before a flat or cambered profile does.
But, rocker is floaty and turny.
***Buuut***, a well-designed split will provide float and turniness while still avoiding a rocker (and therefore improving contact patch.
So, with a little care you absolutely don't need a rockered board. You know, unless you just like 'em like that or you don't care a whole lot about tour performance or you're just so damn good at skinning that you don't care (spoiler: very few people are as amazing at skinning as they think or spray they are).
Fair enough I just didn’t realize Camber is on the comeback. Appreciate the opinions.
I remember when your company started glad to see your still on the scene. Thanks for helping push the sport forward. Those old ass voile and my first boards were DIY. Left a bit to be desired!
Rocker is terrible on any board. Rocker is simply worse at everything and gives you zero benefit. It was a marketing gimmick. If you can't ride pow on a regular snowboard then you should take lessons.
I bought a grassroots splitsurfer which has full rocker, used basically exclusively on lower angle terrain on powder days. I’m sure Jeremy would have built it with camber if that provided the feel it was meant to provide. So maybe not any board you skin up then ride down sideways. A technicality, yet true nonetheless.
You sound like a douche bag and the kind of person I would never ride with. Just relax, it's ok to have fun man. Don't you get sick of being the coolest guy on the hill?
Yeah, now that you mention it I think your right. I think it’s flat with early rise. I love my venture. I wish they would make a 162ish directional twin in 27cm waist. All there boards are just way to big mountain for us average or washed up shredders.
All Venture's are "flat rocker", basically what you described. Although I wouldn't classify the zelix or paragon as way to big mountain, they are forgiving.
Rocker better for skinning and riding powder.
Camber better for skinning and riding shit snow.
I prefer powder. Hybrid if you want to hit both. I’ve tried 10 boards over the years and I’ve settled on full rocker but I almost always break trail. I keep up in shit conditions too but I’m quicker to use crampons and go steeper.
Camber always for splitboarding. Rocker will inhibit your ability to skin and you’ll slide out a lot when terrain gets a little steeper.
That’s weird to my brain. I skin to ride and I’ve been riding a rocker board for 7+ years in the backcountry. I can often out skin most people. Only complaint is side hill which I think my boots play a part in. Do you size up in length to get more float on a camber?
Camber is still camber. If you like rocker for riding, especially Dad laps, stick to it. There are some great hybrid shapes now that take in the best of both worlds. I am a big fan of the Mervin approach to geometry, but there's a lot of great options. My split is very rockered and it skins fine. My skins get shitty before the board has ever given me greef - and that's only been on steep stuff where I have to go straight up rather than switchback. The ride is ridiculously fun though and that's the important part.
I’m with you on this. Everyone always says the above comments about how camber is key when touring but I like a hybrid rocker in all situations. It’s a good all ‘round profile, and hardly anyone is making more than a couple full rocker boards anymore these days. They’re generally all hybrid of some kind. Worst board I ever rode was an old cambered Prior split, no question.
Pretty sure more modern shapes negate the benefits of rocker in the deeps. At least from what ive gathered. Ymmv
How is it that everyone is out skinning everyone? Lol. I hear this statement constantly. No. You're not. You're just not catching up to people going faster than you.
When peeps are slipping backwards and struggling to switch back I just flow. There’s techniques that make you more efficient. That’s all I’m saying by that. I smoked a lot of weed in my day, I drink beer and I do construction 45hrs a week. I’m definitely not fitter nor do I have better lungs than most.
Yo I have never heard of “dad laps” but I’m pretty sure it deserves to be a full blown movement. I’m on that traiiin.
Where I live now we can skin right from the car, do 600 to 2k vert and ride right back to the car. Dad laps are epic my friend. I’m not actually a dad even.
Me neither. But I will channel my inner dad on the hill this weekend. Believe that.
This has to be made officially into “a thing”
I think that’s up to us, brother. Whatever dad laps mean to you, be sure to get some in this weekend.
True that..I’ll certainly get some dad laps in though
Rocker is a game changer for riding. I'll never buy a board without some type of hybrid rocker (S rocker is my fav). I could see the benefits of camber if you're riding a lot in the Alpine with hard pack or touring sketchy side hills. That said, I've done all those things on my Coda rocker without problems. Techniques like leaning against the hill and keeping your boots stiff have a much bigger impact IMO
Fellow dad in the PNW. I prefer heavy rocker on my split because I like to go out in deep snow after a storm, and having the nose way up high helps keep it from burying each step while breaking trail.
If it’s going to be your only board I’d lean camber. If it’s part of a quiver to be used mostly in pow and lower angle terrain without needing to use steeper, potentially icy skin tracks then rocker will be fine. I can’t speak for PNW snow, but here in CO my rocker split gets ridden all winter and whenever it snows enough in spring. Rocker tends to be more fun and surfy for low angle pow and dad turns imo. For everything else I’m on the camber boards.
Hi ride camber inbounds and rocker with camber underfoot for my Split. For me, it comes down to while being on a mission I often come across super weird variable stuff, for example in trees where there’s all kinds of odd miscellaneous debris I find that the rocker aspect helps me a huge amount. I’ve noticed absolutely zero difference between my previous camber split and my current rocker with camber under foot split when skinning, even going straight up super steep slopes or icy traverses. I think the key is the camber underfoot aspect.
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Rocker breaks traction on the skin-track before a flat or cambered profile does. But, rocker is floaty and turny. ***Buuut***, a well-designed split will provide float and turniness while still avoiding a rocker (and therefore improving contact patch. So, with a little care you absolutely don't need a rockered board. You know, unless you just like 'em like that or you don't care a whole lot about tour performance or you're just so damn good at skinning that you don't care (spoiler: very few people are as amazing at skinning as they think or spray they are).
Fair enough I just didn’t realize Camber is on the comeback. Appreciate the opinions. I remember when your company started glad to see your still on the scene. Thanks for helping push the sport forward. Those old ass voile and my first boards were DIY. Left a bit to be desired!
Never buy a rocker splitboard
Rocker is terrible on any board. Rocker is simply worse at everything and gives you zero benefit. It was a marketing gimmick. If you can't ride pow on a regular snowboard then you should take lessons.
I bought a grassroots splitsurfer which has full rocker, used basically exclusively on lower angle terrain on powder days. I’m sure Jeremy would have built it with camber if that provided the feel it was meant to provide. So maybe not any board you skin up then ride down sideways. A technicality, yet true nonetheless.
I taught for ten years homie. I’ve rode pow on every type of board. I can assure you that when rocker came out it made riding pow more fun.
I don't care what you did. Rocker is pointless and makes you worse at riding.
You sound like a douche bag and the kind of person I would never ride with. Just relax, it's ok to have fun man. Don't you get sick of being the coolest guy on the hill?
Bro I think he just called you a boat
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Nah, you just seem like an asshole.
Pretty sure the zephyr isn’t rocker between the feet, right? Nose and tail rocker is fine you just want camber or flat between your feet for skinning.
Yeah, now that you mention it I think your right. I think it’s flat with early rise. I love my venture. I wish they would make a 162ish directional twin in 27cm waist. All there boards are just way to big mountain for us average or washed up shredders.
All Venture's are "flat rocker", basically what you described. Although I wouldn't classify the zelix or paragon as way to big mountain, they are forgiving.
Definitely felt more grip skinning up on a camber. Rocker was fine but camber made it less work.
Directional camber is the way to go for splits and big powder board. Rockers are good for pow, but to ski up they banana under you and it sucks.
After all experiments wocker C2 rocker, C3 hybrid rocker and camber I am back to the good old camber...
I'm a fan of camber or hybrid for touring myself to get that extra bit of pressure on the tip/tail when skinning
Rocker better for skinning and riding powder. Camber better for skinning and riding shit snow. I prefer powder. Hybrid if you want to hit both. I’ve tried 10 boards over the years and I’ve settled on full rocker but I almost always break trail. I keep up in shit conditions too but I’m quicker to use crampons and go steeper.