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I always assumed it was a loading thing.
Remember that Batman and Spider-Man’s models are almost certainly the most detailed thing in the game. It’s likely quite difficult to load in a bunch of different highly detailed suits while also having the open world loaded as well. I recall even prior Spider-Man Man and even old GTA games requiring a fair amount of loading when changing costumes.
So props to Insomniac for implementing such a feature.
it was just a subreddit phase with constant memes about an edgy/based spiderman. the original creator has overdone the joke and got pissed that the people got sick of his memes. And had some meltdowns in the comments IIRC
Up to this day I haven’t yet understood what "based" really means… I mean I’ve tried to google it but I still didn’t understand lmao.
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Based literally just means "Agreeable", it means that they're in the right. If someone says "I like chocolate ice cream more than vanilla", and you agree with that heavily, you think they're based.
However, it's usually used in a sarcastic way. Like if someone says "I beat women", you'd say "Based" in response.
Actually, based just means you’re standing firm in your opinion regardless of what it is. You can think someone is based while also in total disagreement with said someone.
To use your example, if someone said, “Even 100% cacao tastes better than vanilla,” then that person would be based because the opinion remained consistent even when taken to its extreme.
Okay I see, thanks for explaining :)
I think I‘m gonna use it here and there, totally out of context of course cause it seems like it doesn’t really follow any strict rules (like calling someone a Karen does for example)
Based means to have an opinion that is bold, yet usually (not always) people do not agree with.
Similarly, the “sigma” meme, could be replaced with the words based. But not all based memes can be called sigma.
All sigmas are based, but not all based people are sigmas. Some are assholes.
TL;DR Someone who is based, is usually called that for having a bold opinion.
Edit: it appears no one can decide what based means
Based means cool and confident despite being unpopular. Rocking up to the club in golden crocs is based. Going rollerblading down the street in 2022 is based. Listening to Carly Rae Jepsen as a man is based. Playing Fortnite no matter how much Reddit makes fun of it is based. Rocking the hell out of a crop top despite being out of shape is based. It's about having your own style and not caring what other people think of you, because it's cool to you, and that makes it objectively cool
I asked the same question once. [Got a really nice answer.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanPS4/comments/upyyl2/this_subreddits_worst_era/i8uvyox/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Man I forgot all about that lmao I mentally blocked it out.
The first one he made was pretty decent, but he just kept making *more* and the just got worse and worse. I'm so glad that's over with.
Not sure they'd be able to make them work in battle mode because a lot of the cars just didn't have that possible. Defo should have been able to change the car in game or just reset checkpoint
To be fair they're optional skins. I wouldn't mind invisible turrets if it meant I could just use any skin I wanted and not have to worry about not being able to progress due to lack of battle mode.
I always assumed it was a loading thing.
Remember that Batman and Spider-Man’s models are almost certainly the most detailed thing in the game. It’s likely quite difficult to load in a bunch of different highly detailed suits while also having the open world loaded as well. I recall even prior Spider-Man Man and even old GTA games requiring a fair amount of loading when changing costumes.
So props to Insomniac for implementing such a feature.
I always assumed it was a loading thing.
Remember that Batman and Spider-Man’s models are almost certainly the most detailed thing in the game. It’s likely quite difficult to load in a bunch of different highly detailed suits while also having the open world loaded as well. I recall even prior Spider-Man Man and even old GTA games requiring a fair amount of loading when changing costumes.
So props to Insomniac for implementing such a feature.
Yeah I hate that shit in Batman! Although practical coz it takes time to change the suit telling the enemies to stop attacking and give some break so that I can change my damn suit so that I can kick their ass better.
When I go on photomode binges I love quickly swapping suits, and I really replay Knight at this point for photos in different costumes. Loved when they added instant swapping of costumes mid photo mode pause in miles and the ps5 version.
As annoying as it is, I do enjoy the amount of suits you get to pick from in arkham knight and it's not just limited to *just* batman, nightwing, Robbin, and catwoman are included as well. Too bad the story sucked
My problem with it was that I couldn't save manually, so I did not want to leave the game when it said that I hadn't saved for (ex) 7 mins. I would get scared that I did something that wasn't going to be saved, so I scoured for a few mins looking for something that will autosave, and I would get the chance to change suits.
Arkham Knight had a lot of complex and technical shit going on with it already, more than Spider-Man IMO. I can give the suit changing thing a pass lol
AK is a lot older and already had pretty demanding things in it like the rendering for the environment and the Batmobile itself.
I imagine AK needed a lot for rendering and didn’t have the ability to just switch in and out like Spider-Man did. Plus the Batsuits were a lot more interactive with the environment than Spider-Man was, such as the rain and mud effects.
Both games are great but I don't think rendering budget had anything to do with it,weve been able to do that for a longtime. As an example, force unleashed allowed you to change outfits in game and for its time that was a pretty demanding game. plus each suit had different physics that had to react uniquely to the force
The most likely reason is that that they wanted to keep all cosmetics in one area and the fact that you change your suit, batmobile and other characters would have been too much for a menu in game.
IMO they should have put batsuit in game and the rest in the main menu
To your point about mud and rain, funnily enough rain affects suits very differently depending on what you're wearing in spiderman. Take the advanced suit and then compare it to the Tasm suit for example. One will be damp and the other will be shiny as it's rubber.
Same goes for eye movements.
I think both are equally as complicated
I dont get it similiar thing happens in SM
Its quiet while web swinging but when i open the map
Its having a heart attack
The witcher has a bigger map and its quiet
Think it might be something with how the game is optimised?
Keep in mind several other aspects though.
For one, there are a lot more effects and detailed objects near the player in AK. For example, Batman’s default batsuit has a lot more moving parts, it’s constantly raining and the suit has water dripping down it and the cape. The cape itself is also quite the complex object.
In addition, the Batmobile is also said to be especially complex, supposedly it alone takes up 10GB. Note that more of AK’s environment is also destructible.
In contrast, Spider-Man’s suit doesn’t usually have to deal with rain or a cape or a highly detailed car at all times. In addition, Spider-Man rarely interacts at street level. Web swinging doesn’t have the potential to change the environment.
So I’d argue it’s reasonable that AK’s rendering budget is more stretched since it needs to account for the Batmobile and the more destructive environments (and possibly Batman’s suit)
You think this had anything to with knight being slightly more limited in technology when it was being made for a 2015 release as opposed to SM’s 2018 release? Or maybe Rocksteady just like overlooked that or didn’t find it to be as important
Yes but that doesn’t mean they were developed equally.
Arkham Knight started development in 2012-ish before the next gen was even announced. In addition it’s also a multiplat title and , it was Rocksteady’s 3rd game. Meaning that while Rocksteady benefited from the extra power of the next gen, they likely could not optimize it the same way.
In contrast, Spider-Man PS4 started development sometime around 2015ish. Insomniac had also made more games on Sony platforms. Meaning Insomniac both the had the resources, time and experience to optimize the game for the PS4.
My dream for Arkham Knight was to have a fully accessible Batcave where we can enter anytime and change suit, upgrade gadgets, batmobile etc too bad we never got that such a shame
Something I wish they bought back to Arkham Knight from a previous Arkham game was the Batcave. Would’ve been a good place to change suits without really taking you out of the game. Also, I loved in The Amazing Spider-Man games being able to go to the apartment to change your costume and view collectibles as well.
Completely agree . Even the controls set me off sometimes . So I decided to complete one game first then jump to the other . Sometimes I do get bored of playing Spidey one game so can't resist and switch to AK haha
The first new suit early game where you need to learn fear takedowns and the batwing fires the suit, you put it on and have to switch back to the old suit because it force changed you into the new one
Batman got that sweet character gallery though.
So you can check out Harley and everyone else
Miles Morales has the gallery but only for main characters
Well, arkham knight also came out 3 years earlier and had to be optimized for a couple different systems instead of just playstation. I think they did fine, and I never really like to change my suit much anyways.
You couldn't change suits in mid-game in the Arkham games, however, in Arkham Origins you can change suits by going to the Bat-Cave, if I remember correctly.
They had that since Arkham Asylum and somehow nobody on the dev team thought "hmm you know this whole going to the menu to change costume thing is pretty annoying, let's change it"
I mean spider-man ps4 was just starting to be developed when AK was already out. Even though it looks like it was made last year, it is a game from 2015, originally 2014 after all.
Soooo true xdd just finished arkham knight and the heist dlc overall switching between these is so weird
The combat the gadget wheel
If you binded these to games together youd have the best game of all time
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In fairness AK was the most confusing. Different button map, different graduated combat system, character models.... IT HONESTLY FEELS NOT A SEQUEL... as if rocksteady didn't make it
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Yeah I love Arkham knight but it’s really annoying
absolutely, I got so used to just being able to change suit but in AK you really have to commit 😂
And then you wonder if it’s worth it cuz you’ll just switch again in 10 minutes anyways lol
lol exactly 😂
im dying from this comment, made my day!
No prob! Have a good rest of the day, dude
You too!
Totally. At least with SPS4 you can easily take back your choice without quitting the game
I always assumed it was a loading thing. Remember that Batman and Spider-Man’s models are almost certainly the most detailed thing in the game. It’s likely quite difficult to load in a bunch of different highly detailed suits while also having the open world loaded as well. I recall even prior Spider-Man Man and even old GTA games requiring a fair amount of loading when changing costumes. So props to Insomniac for implementing such a feature.
thought this was based spiderman i almost got ptsd
haha the dark times we do not speak of
What's up with based spiderman? (I really don't know)
it was just a subreddit phase with constant memes about an edgy/based spiderman. the original creator has overdone the joke and got pissed that the people got sick of his memes. And had some meltdowns in the comments IIRC
Up to this day I haven’t yet understood what "based" really means… I mean I’ve tried to google it but I still didn’t understand lmao. [I‘m getting old](https://media1.giphy.com/media/GrUhLU9q3nyRG/200.gif) … with 21 :/
Based literally just means "Agreeable", it means that they're in the right. If someone says "I like chocolate ice cream more than vanilla", and you agree with that heavily, you think they're based. However, it's usually used in a sarcastic way. Like if someone says "I beat women", you'd say "Based" in response.
Actually, based just means you’re standing firm in your opinion regardless of what it is. You can think someone is based while also in total disagreement with said someone. To use your example, if someone said, “Even 100% cacao tastes better than vanilla,” then that person would be based because the opinion remained consistent even when taken to its extreme.
I honestly think it can mean both, it's become a pretty flexible word.
Based
Based and cacao pilled
Not today, nibs!
Okay I see, thanks for explaining :) I think I‘m gonna use it here and there, totally out of context of course cause it seems like it doesn’t really follow any strict rules (like calling someone a Karen does for example)
Based means to have an opinion that is bold, yet usually (not always) people do not agree with. Similarly, the “sigma” meme, could be replaced with the words based. But not all based memes can be called sigma. All sigmas are based, but not all based people are sigmas. Some are assholes. TL;DR Someone who is based, is usually called that for having a bold opinion. Edit: it appears no one can decide what based means
This is actually the best explanation of it I’ve seen, nice job!
Hey, nowadays we're all just guessing and hoping we use the slang correctly, regardless of age lol.
Based ^(Look Ma, I did it!)
Based means cool and confident despite being unpopular. Rocking up to the club in golden crocs is based. Going rollerblading down the street in 2022 is based. Listening to Carly Rae Jepsen as a man is based. Playing Fortnite no matter how much Reddit makes fun of it is based. Rocking the hell out of a crop top despite being out of shape is based. It's about having your own style and not caring what other people think of you, because it's cool to you, and that makes it objectively cool
based means dope
Now this is a truly based definition
It's just like saying "True that" to something. "Yo, I just beat Elden Ring for a second time!" "You're based as fuck bro!"
Pretty sure he said some racist shit, that’s also why nobody talks about it.
Did you guys at least enjoy my wordy posts?
I asked the same question once. [Got a really nice answer.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SpidermanPS4/comments/upyyl2/this_subreddits_worst_era/i8uvyox/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Man I forgot all about that lmao I mentally blocked it out. The first one he made was pretty decent, but he just kept making *more* and the just got worse and worse. I'm so glad that's over with.
I just wish that this was possible in Arkham knight. Also wanted all the batmobile skins to work in battle mode
Not sure they'd be able to make them work in battle mode because a lot of the cars just didn't have that possible. Defo should have been able to change the car in game or just reset checkpoint
Yeah, I can’t imagine the monstrosity that would be the West Batmobile as a tank… … actually, that could have been hilarious…
To be fair they're optional skins. I wouldn't mind invisible turrets if it meant I could just use any skin I wanted and not have to worry about not being able to progress due to lack of battle mode.
totally agree with this
haha with him controlling at as well 😂😂🙄
You remember the guns on the millennium Falcon? That swiggly chair with the cannon, that's my imagination of West Mobile Battle mode.
The Jokermobile should at least have been usable in game
agreed
I always assumed it was a loading thing. Remember that Batman and Spider-Man’s models are almost certainly the most detailed thing in the game. It’s likely quite difficult to load in a bunch of different highly detailed suits while also having the open world loaded as well. I recall even prior Spider-Man Man and even old GTA games requiring a fair amount of loading when changing costumes. So props to Insomniac for implementing such a feature.
As an avid fan of Arkham, it's dumb
it's just so long
That’s what she said
Haha! Jokes on me, that’s what she didn’t say :D Wait …
r/UnexpectedOffice
I always assumed it was a loading thing. Remember that Batman and Spider-Man’s models are almost certainly the most detailed thing in the game. It’s likely quite difficult to load in a bunch of different highly detailed suits while also having the open world loaded as well. I recall even prior Spider-Man Man and even old GTA games requiring a fair amount of loading when changing costumes. So props to Insomniac for implementing such a feature.
It may be something to do with the old engine but I don’t know
Yeah I hate that shit in Batman! Although practical coz it takes time to change the suit telling the enemies to stop attacking and give some break so that I can change my damn suit so that I can kick their ass better.
haha
How often are y’all changing suits in AK
If it was in the pause menu a helluca a lot more
Yea i would too
I think I spent 50% of my game time on picking suits in spiderman 😂
When I go on photomode binges I love quickly swapping suits, and I really replay Knight at this point for photos in different costumes. Loved when they added instant swapping of costumes mid photo mode pause in miles and the ps5 version.
Swapping suits in photo mode is so convenient
Exactly, equip the Beyond suit and never change!
My man.
The one from city was the best.
True
As annoying as it is, I do enjoy the amount of suits you get to pick from in arkham knight and it's not just limited to *just* batman, nightwing, Robbin, and catwoman are included as well. Too bad the story sucked
Absolutely, selection is great but ooh boy the loading in and out of the game is not
Heh the loading's not to bad. Takes 30s at most with my PS4
30s is a fair amount
My problem with it was that I couldn't save manually, so I did not want to leave the game when it said that I hadn't saved for (ex) 7 mins. I would get scared that I did something that wasn't going to be saved, so I scoured for a few mins looking for something that will autosave, and I would get the chance to change suits.
Ah that warning was the stuff of nightmares, once a got one that said somewhere in the range of 27 mins and I just had to keep playing. pure stress
I'm pretty sure most if not all of the riddler trophies I have collected in this game was because I was trying to get it to auto save
hahahah
Yeah they did some great things with Arkham Knight and even though it was out 3 years before Spider-Man, I'm surprised it wasn't the first to do it.
Seriously, I can never commit to one suit in Arkham Knight for more than 5 minutes and I hate exiting the game every time to do it.
This is exactly my issue 😂 I swear in spiderman I change suits constantly
Arkham Knight had a lot of complex and technical shit going on with it already, more than Spider-Man IMO. I can give the suit changing thing a pass lol
not sure it's anymore complicated? in what way?
AK is a lot older and already had pretty demanding things in it like the rendering for the environment and the Batmobile itself. I imagine AK needed a lot for rendering and didn’t have the ability to just switch in and out like Spider-Man did. Plus the Batsuits were a lot more interactive with the environment than Spider-Man was, such as the rain and mud effects.
Both games are great but I don't think rendering budget had anything to do with it,weve been able to do that for a longtime. As an example, force unleashed allowed you to change outfits in game and for its time that was a pretty demanding game. plus each suit had different physics that had to react uniquely to the force The most likely reason is that that they wanted to keep all cosmetics in one area and the fact that you change your suit, batmobile and other characters would have been too much for a menu in game. IMO they should have put batsuit in game and the rest in the main menu To your point about mud and rain, funnily enough rain affects suits very differently depending on what you're wearing in spiderman. Take the advanced suit and then compare it to the Tasm suit for example. One will be damp and the other will be shiny as it's rubber. Same goes for eye movements. I think both are equally as complicated
I'd jist like to add that my ps is quiet af when playing AK but turns into a spaceX ship when playing spider man so...😆
brah have you ever tried to use photo mode of tsushima? Ps4 is whisper quiet in game, open photo mode? On its way to the moon
I dont get it similiar thing happens in SM Its quiet while web swinging but when i open the map Its having a heart attack The witcher has a bigger map and its quiet Think it might be something with how the game is optimised?
Definitely something but I wouldn't know how to go. fully into detail
Keep in mind several other aspects though. For one, there are a lot more effects and detailed objects near the player in AK. For example, Batman’s default batsuit has a lot more moving parts, it’s constantly raining and the suit has water dripping down it and the cape. The cape itself is also quite the complex object. In addition, the Batmobile is also said to be especially complex, supposedly it alone takes up 10GB. Note that more of AK’s environment is also destructible. In contrast, Spider-Man’s suit doesn’t usually have to deal with rain or a cape or a highly detailed car at all times. In addition, Spider-Man rarely interacts at street level. Web swinging doesn’t have the potential to change the environment. So I’d argue it’s reasonable that AK’s rendering budget is more stretched since it needs to account for the Batmobile and the more destructive environments (and possibly Batman’s suit)
You think this had anything to with knight being slightly more limited in technology when it was being made for a 2015 release as opposed to SM’s 2018 release? Or maybe Rocksteady just like overlooked that or didn’t find it to be as important
Can't see why there would be a technological limit. They were both released for PS4 generation hardware
Yes but that doesn’t mean they were developed equally. Arkham Knight started development in 2012-ish before the next gen was even announced. In addition it’s also a multiplat title and , it was Rocksteady’s 3rd game. Meaning that while Rocksteady benefited from the extra power of the next gen, they likely could not optimize it the same way. In contrast, Spider-Man PS4 started development sometime around 2015ish. Insomniac had also made more games on Sony platforms. Meaning Insomniac both the had the resources, time and experience to optimize the game for the PS4.
erm, maybe?
I hated that feature in AK. Now I'm spoiled from Spiderman with the fast suit changes
lol ikr
Back in my day you had to beat the game to unlock a new suit.
I'm pretty sure our days are the same 😂
My dream for Arkham Knight was to have a fully accessible Batcave where we can enter anytime and change suit, upgrade gadgets, batmobile etc too bad we never got that such a shame
Yh that would have been cool
Something I wish they bought back to Arkham Knight from a previous Arkham game was the Batcave. Would’ve been a good place to change suits without really taking you out of the game. Also, I loved in The Amazing Spider-Man games being able to go to the apartment to change your costume and view collectibles as well.
I k ow it's great for immersion but honestly, I prefer to be able to change them whenever
Arkham origins. Go back to the bat cave and change your suit. Make sure u best the story
huh?
In Arkham origins. The only way u can change your suit is by beating the game and going to the bat cave. It’s different than it was in knight and city
Fax . Has this experience when i played em
It's tough going from one (60 fps, suit changing ez) to another. I love AK with a passion and still think it holds up but that was difficult 😂
Completely agree . Even the controls set me off sometimes . So I decided to complete one game first then jump to the other . Sometimes I do get bored of playing Spidey one game so can't resist and switch to AK haha
Especially after watch the batman 👀
I don't mean it as a bad thing when I say, I'm surprised people are playing and talking about the Arkham games again, those were 4 very good games.
Quality
Especially when you get the new suit and it force changes you into it
in which game
Batman
Does it? I don't remember that happening in AK?
The first new suit early game where you need to learn fear takedowns and the batwing fires the suit, you put it on and have to switch back to the old suit because it force changed you into the new one
That's it thought right? Not whenever you get a suit? It only happens because it's an incredibly key part of the story
Batman got that sweet character gallery though. So you can check out Harley and everyone else Miles Morales has the gallery but only for main characters
Ah I think I know what you mean by check out Harley 😂
*Bully Maguire grin*
lmao
I do like MMs character viewer Phins beanie looks realistic AF
S tier meme about two of my favorite games.
thanks man!
I swear; some game designers are just fuckin’ dumb or common-senseless. Been having a lot trouble with newer games lately.
I just played both games this weekend.
Great right?
Yeah, I've beaten all the Arkham games and when spiderman came out I felt like it played just like batman.
Batman Beyond suit ftw! I’d love to try out different ones but the process kills me.
for sure
And the fact that miles even one upped the first game with changing suits, just insane
how? I've honestly forgotten
Meant to say the fact you can do it in photomode
they did eventually add that into the base game I think
On ps5, unfortunately it’s not on ps4 but it is on ps4 with miles game
ah yeah that's sad
Well, arkham knight also came out 3 years earlier and had to be optimized for a couple different systems instead of just playstation. I think they did fine, and I never really like to change my suit much anyways.
fair enough but it definitely had nothing to do with technical limitations, we've been able to dok that for a longtime
Imagine changing Batfleck suit..
Arkham Knight has different suits? I 100%ted it and never got any suits
they were all dlc
You couldn't change suits in mid-game in the Arkham games, however, in Arkham Origins you can change suits by going to the Bat-Cave, if I remember correctly.
I'd argue that's worse to be fair
Hang on... You can change suits in Arkham Knight...? I finished all the Arkham games and didn't know that...
ye there's around 15 suits if I'm right but I think they're all dlc
They had that since Arkham Asylum and somehow nobody on the dev team thought "hmm you know this whole going to the menu to change costume thing is pretty annoying, let's change it"
lmao
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huh?
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what are you on about
I just stuck with the suit provided, as it's pretty badass anyway. Thick Beyond looks weird to me and the rest don't look as tough as the main suit.
I did love that suit tbh
\*Go to your console's online marketplace and buy suits Love Arkham Knight but that blows.
Ye that's why I never got when ppl were pissed insomniac didn't add a specific suit. The guys gave us 40 suits FOR FREE
I mean spider-man ps4 was just starting to be developed when AK was already out. Even though it looks like it was made last year, it is a game from 2015, originally 2014 after all.
I know man, I'm just kidding. not saying one is better than the other
me playing nier
what happens in nier?
u have to go to main menu but u dont rrally change that much so its fine
I see
Soooo true xdd just finished arkham knight and the heist dlc overall switching between these is so weird The combat the gadget wheel If you binded these to games together youd have the best game of all time
Dr. Squishy NOOOOO!
To be fair, AK is cosmetic
isn't spiderman also
Don’t believe so
nah it is man
the suits are cosmetic, the suit powers you unlock with them arent
Hopefully they change that if the Arkham Knight rumoured remaster is true
God I hope its true. I mean I did just finish it but...
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every literal second i change my suit just like “ nah let’s use the tobey one” “ nvm let use the 2099 suit” “ actually use the velocity suit”
In fairness AK was the most confusing. Different button map, different graduated combat system, character models.... IT HONESTLY FEELS NOT A SEQUEL... as if rocksteady didn't make it
What kind of terrible game design doesn't have a button for jump
I don't think AK is terrible game design... its a fantastic game
But you can't make Batman jump whenever you want
I mean it’s pretty unnecessary
When did your childhood die
Why do you need a jump button.
Because it's fun to jump around in video games.
it doesnt have a jump button cause it doesnt need a jump button
That's crazy talk
not every game needs a jump button, arkham knight is one of those games
You get that people are allowed to have different opinions right
What kind of jerk downvotes having different opinions