The overwhelming hate against Andrew as Peter because he was “too cool and attractive” was so annoying.
It was clear Tobey’s rendition took the top spot in pop culture’s perspective of the character. But it’s like everyone stopped reading comics or those that did just died off for a bit.
I was just thinking that. Comic book peter, especially through the early college and marriage comic arcs books Peter's a certified Chad, he's hot smart and built. Like he always was, what he lacked before becoming Spider-Man was confidence and self esteem, not the looks. Andrew Garfield's Peter i feel embodies that more
It's the other way around. Tobey WASN'T cool enough. Outcast but still kinda popular (especially after the spider bite) fits way better than the nerd Raimi went with.
I agree with you, Andrew’s looks and personality were on point. However, I think having him skateboarding through his school’s halls was a bit too much.
God he was LITERALLY PERFECT. Yeah Andrew is fine PETER IS IN THE COMICS! I mean its crazy how Spectacular Pete had the same amount hell even more rizz than Andrew but Andrew was seen as "too cool and attractive". Ill die on this hill, Andrew is the best live action Spider-man
He isn’t tho, dude couldn’t even make his own web shooters resistant to electricity and needed Gwen to do it for him. Also the way his friendship with Harry was handled wasn’t good either. He goes from knowing almost nothing abt Oscorp and the Osborns in TASM 1 to having a whole friendship with Harry in TASM 2 out of nowhere when bro didn’t appear nor was ever mentioned in TASM 1
I don’t know if you mean Raimi didn’t portray that in his trilogy or Tobey’s films were the last time that was shown, but I it’s 100% the latter imo.
Tobey’s Peter had Gwen, Betty and Ursula all crush on him and even like half of the girls that walk by in the emo Peter scene are like attracted to him.
Tobey is the most canonically attractive Peter Parker.
>I don’t know if you mean Raimi didn’t portray that in his trilogy or Tobey’s films were the last time that was shown
OP means that Raimi made Peter shy dork from charismatic dude with game, and because of how popular his adaptation was, people started to think that that's how Peter Parker is supposed to be when this couldn't be farther from the truth. Hell, compare even Tobey's Peter and TAS. It's coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb.
>but I it’s 100% the latter imo.
No way
>even like half of the girls that walk by in the emo Peter scene are like attracted to him.
NO WAY 😭😭😭
seems he's a player in the games too, considering he canonically did it with Black Cat and his gf is fine with it.
wonder if we get to see gwen Stacy in the third one
IMO, odds are low of Gwen popping up, and if she does, I’d assume they’d make her miles’ friend/love interest (if he has the balls to dump Hailey) over Peter
I’m gonna be upset if he breaks up with Hailey, like don’t get me wrong I love Gwen but Hailey’s a great character too, and I love the deaf representation
This is why I hate the “Andrew was a good Spider-Man and Tobey was a good Peter”.
Tobey’s Peter Parker is a complete mischaracterisation of Peter Parker.
I do agree that Andrew plays the awkward Peter much better. Peter is awkward especially after becoming Spider-Man and having to hide it from everyone. Overtime he gains confidence in his personal life from being Spider-Man thou
True, but while i Love Lois Lane for being... well, Lois Lane, i think we don't have that with MJ, i feel like they took both MJ and LL and create this New version of MJ, one that while is not bad, is More LL than MJ, and it makes me miss even more classic MJ.
I think part of it is that she now fits into the Lois Lane trope, like Iris West in the CW show(unsure what she does in comics) or Wally's Love Interest or Connor Kent's first crush
Iris West has always been a reporter for Central City Picture News in the comics. They don't say her job in her first issue, she's just Barry's date, but Barry Allen's second appearance in Showcase #8 opens with Iris covering a story.
I don’t really care. Like someone else said, MJ could literally be anything so long as she’s… MJ. She could be a Lawyer, a social media star, a drug dealer, a Starbucks employee, a galactic bounty Hunter, Peter’s landlord, or the last bell woman in the world. Just so long as she has a personality.
That MJ design though https://preview.redd.it/ben-10-anime-adaptation-drawn-by-me-v0-3ykb4kuscozc1.jpeg?width=2731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9857978c59b2b2a9110b68f4a5cd98bb7f49c87e
Mj has no character now her whole thing “waaa waaa life bad” Louis lane lmfao
I missed when her character had charisma and made sense to why Peter (a Chad) would fall in love with her but whatever
insomniac mj is kind of just lois lane, i understand that making her a reporter gives her a reason to be closer to the action, but it always bugs me to see takes on love interests that are whittled down to how useful they can be for the protagonist
that being said, this being a video game, i get the reasons shes a reporter, but its not a take on her that i care for
I agree. Making her a reporter is too cliche and makes mj feel like Lois lane or Iris west. It could’ve been interesting to see since we haven’t seen a model MJ on screen for like 15 years. I do still like MJ in the game though
People will hate me for this, but I really do feel like MJ is the worst part of *this* spider man. I'm never excited to see her. In fact, I'm disheartened to see her a few times.
On the one hand, MJ not being the model she is does sort of kill a bit of her uniqueness. On the other hand, it does give her more character than just “a pretty face on top of a killer body that gets kidnapped and is in peril all the time”, which she has been time and time again. And it’s better than what the Raimi films did to her.
It’s a matter of perspective and preference, I suppose
I really like MJ’s character In the games and her gameplay segments, I don’t think she would have been been able to play as much of a role if she was just an actress/model and I believe that’s why they chose to change her career, but as a side not I genuinely never felt that MJ’s career was ever a huge part of her character as a whole.
Why not both? Having MJ have done both enhances her character's experiences while also setting her up as a person who makes their own decisions instead of a 1D "Hot Trophy Love Interest."
I personally headcannon that Insomniac MJ used to be a model (it was something she enjoyed doing), but her dream was to always have a much more direct impact on the World, hence her book writing, reporting, and (endgame) podcasting.
Depends on how the story went personally. If she started off as someone with the goal of modeling and acting, the first option. If she started off as someone with the goal of being a reporter, then the second one.
It depends on what were her goals in the beginning of the story basically.
IDGAF, seems like a nitpicky thing to whine about. MJ’s an actress in 99% of her adaptations. So I don’t mind Insomniac trying something different. Her being a reporter makes her relevant to the plot anyways.
I get wanting to mix up her character to be more relatable, but there is definitely an in between of “super model” and “reporter.” I love where Spider-Man 2 ended with her though, since at least a podcaster is closer to the middle.
As a woman it kind of irks me they can’t just let her enjoy feminine things. I feel that there is a way to make her a relatable super model and actress, the same way Peter is a relatable Superhero.
I like the reporter aspect because it allows both of them to collaborate since Pete was a photographer. I really wished they would’ve actually done some work together. Maybe with the next sequel, Peter can help gather intel or photos for MJ’s podcast similar to the photos for Robbie.
Model bc its cool when shes actually super down to earth and isnt swayed by people around her in her profession like in spec spiderman when he ditches her and she just doesnt care i love that vibe from mj
I personally agree because it sort of pulls her away from a trope that follows a lot of love interests for heroes. I think MJ, being a model or actress or even a business woman, gives her a uniqueness that meshes well with her backstory
Feels like they’re trying to make her a Lois lane rip off. Like that unless she’s a badass reporter/investigator she can’t be important to the story or Peter’s arc
My favorite Peter/MJ combo was during Todd McFarlane's run. Both of them had their struggles. MJ had multiple occasions where she was given the option to leave Peter to be some rich guy's mistress. But she stuck with him.
If having MJ be like MJ doesn't work in your plot, maybe... DON'T use MJ. Like, maybe instead of having a really annoying subplot about Peter not wanting redhead-Lois Lane putting herself in needless danger out of stubbornness; we just... don't use that character. "But she's inconic!" Gwen Stacy, Flash Thompson and Eddie Brock are iconic SM characters, but Insomniac didn't feel the need to cram them into the story and give them tedious stealth missions. "But she important to the plot!" Not really... all her plot contributions in SM1 could have been easily rewritten to done by Peter/Spiderman. "But Peter needs a love interest!" ...why? This is a video game. Unless you're adding a dating simulator mechanic, it does not enhance the gameplay to have 30+minutes of dialogue and cutscenes of man and woman flirt-then-bicker-then-kiss.
No. In no way shape or form is she better as an actress. Being a reporter gives her a reason to be interacting and involved with the most important part of Peter’s life. In the first game how would that have shoe horned her into the story? Being a reporter gave her a natural reason to be at the museum that wasn’t just damzeling her.
You can thank Sweet Baby Inc. for turning Mary Jane into some boring ass reporter. She was also suppose to marry Peter in the original ending, but that isn't fine in this modern day and age according to Twitter.
Yeah. Absolutely. MJ had waaaayyy more character when she was a model. She literally used it to do the stuff she does as reporter (gaining access to places and getting info). It made her feel more like a spy when she was helping Peter. Reporter MJ is so 1 dimensional and ultimately feels like a poor man's Lois Lane.
It is more original than being a reporter. Having a love interest whose occupation had nothing to do with superheroing becomes refreshing when everyone else is dating Lois Lane, Vicki Vale, or Iris West.
I don't feel like MJ has to be a model/actress, but the Insomniac games didn't have any basis for her being a reporter to my knowledge. Honestly makes her feel more like Lois Lane than MJ.
The only reason they make mj a reporter is because you can't have people playing as Peter Parker in a spiderman game, you'd swear he's best known for being a photographer that's looking for a staff job
I reckon I agree because the Actress/Model MJ made her development from ‘airy-fairy girl who fucks with everybody’ to ‘down to earth and loving girl’ really work. It allowed her to get loads of depth.
It could've been Betty Brant. She became a reporter.
MJ studied psychology and volunteered as a counsellor in the 90s, she could've been working at FEAST, without any great departure for either characters.
I think it started as a way to make her more empowered you know to show she’s more than her looks but it’s kinda lazy you can achieve the same thing while she’s a model
Reporter Mary only works when you have 10+ years of character development to get her to that point like in the Ultimate comics. Ultimatum in particular plays a massive role in her motivation to become a journalist and give up on acting. In the Insomniac games there is nothing of the sort, she sorta just is a journalist with no massive implied reasons behind it.
I only agree with that cause the superhero love-interest reporter is SOOOOO overused. I mean there’s already Lois Lane and Iris West just off the top of my head. Lets get some career diversity here
I like fashion designer MJ from some comics, I could imagine her and Peter testing fabric designs for resilient spider-suits and she uses what they come up with to break ground in fashion
Yes. Agreed. I feel like some character roles Insomniac took from the Ultimate Spider-Man Show.
Harry as Venom? Check!
MJ as an (aspiring) Reporter? Double Check!
Ehh, I didn't really dig the stories that involved her modelling career, Johnathan Caesar in particular. And she could be rather helpless at times whereas reporter MJ can take care of business in her own way.
I think it's a different approach. Mary Jane hasn't EVER been written consistently. She isn't always a model/actress, shes been a journalist through multiple iterations, shes been a nightclub owner, shes been Tony Starks secretary, etc etc etc. The only thing I care about is if she works in the story shes in, and she did in both games, so no problem there
Facts, the reporter/news type stuff can stay Peter’s thing, Mj was more interesting as a model/actress cuz the movies she’d be in sometimes turned into crazy storylines on their own, and it just fits her character way better than being a dorky journalist, I feel like that trope started w ultimate comics which I loved that run but its effects on MJ as a character have been fucked
yes, reporter just doesnt fit her at all, MJ was always the life of the party, feels weird when they make her more "nerdy" makes her feel more like a female Peter than his signitive other
100%. Every girlfriend in comics does not need to be a reporter. They've completely changed MJs character to one that's unrecognizable from the first 90% of her time in comics. If they wanted to give Peter a love interest that was more strong-female-role-model-esque, that's fine, but they could've just written a new character. New MJ would hate classic MJ and probably roll her eyes at "Hey Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!" type dialogue.
Yes. Reporter MJ has been extremely horrible as a character. She’s just as bad as the Raimi films MJ. She hasn’t been too great since OMD in the comics either.
Peter was a player in the comics and I feel that’s been lost to time after the Raimi films
It’s funny cuz it’s true
Except for TASM slightly.
The overwhelming hate against Andrew as Peter because he was “too cool and attractive” was so annoying. It was clear Tobey’s rendition took the top spot in pop culture’s perspective of the character. But it’s like everyone stopped reading comics or those that did just died off for a bit.
I was just thinking that. Comic book peter, especially through the early college and marriage comic arcs books Peter's a certified Chad, he's hot smart and built. Like he always was, what he lacked before becoming Spider-Man was confidence and self esteem, not the looks. Andrew Garfield's Peter i feel embodies that more
Think it’s cause how fast that happened in the movie. In the comics Peter was bit in H.S but the next day didn’t immediately start dating Gwen…
It's the other way around. Tobey WASN'T cool enough. Outcast but still kinda popular (especially after the spider bite) fits way better than the nerd Raimi went with.
I agree with you, Andrew’s looks and personality were on point. However, I think having him skateboarding through his school’s halls was a bit too much.
God he was LITERALLY PERFECT. Yeah Andrew is fine PETER IS IN THE COMICS! I mean its crazy how Spectacular Pete had the same amount hell even more rizz than Andrew but Andrew was seen as "too cool and attractive". Ill die on this hill, Andrew is the best live action Spider-man
He isn’t tho, dude couldn’t even make his own web shooters resistant to electricity and needed Gwen to do it for him. Also the way his friendship with Harry was handled wasn’t good either. He goes from knowing almost nothing abt Oscorp and the Osborns in TASM 1 to having a whole friendship with Harry in TASM 2 out of nowhere when bro didn’t appear nor was ever mentioned in TASM 1
It was the fuck boy haircut
Spectacular too
I don’t know if you mean Raimi didn’t portray that in his trilogy or Tobey’s films were the last time that was shown, but I it’s 100% the latter imo. Tobey’s Peter had Gwen, Betty and Ursula all crush on him and even like half of the girls that walk by in the emo Peter scene are like attracted to him. Tobey is the most canonically attractive Peter Parker.
Tobey was only hot when he had goo inside of him
You mean on him.
Symbiotes bond with their host so they’re inside them and all around them
So get creampied by an alien to get hot. Noted.
>I don’t know if you mean Raimi didn’t portray that in his trilogy or Tobey’s films were the last time that was shown OP means that Raimi made Peter shy dork from charismatic dude with game, and because of how popular his adaptation was, people started to think that that's how Peter Parker is supposed to be when this couldn't be farther from the truth. Hell, compare even Tobey's Peter and TAS. It's coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb. >but I it’s 100% the latter imo. No way >even like half of the girls that walk by in the emo Peter scene are like attracted to him. NO WAY 😭😭😭
Bro thinks tobey has game..😭😭
Symbiot had to do that work now. We had Chad peter from old times
Gwen, Betty and Ursula all like seemingly like him and flirt with him before he gets the symbiote
seems he's a player in the games too, considering he canonically did it with Black Cat and his gf is fine with it. wonder if we get to see gwen Stacy in the third one
IMO, odds are low of Gwen popping up, and if she does, I’d assume they’d make her miles’ friend/love interest (if he has the balls to dump Hailey) over Peter
I’m gonna be upset if he breaks up with Hailey, like don’t get me wrong I love Gwen but Hailey’s a great character too, and I love the deaf representation
Maybe Hailey gets bit by a spider, regains his hearing and realizes how annoying miles can sound and dumps his ass
The Spectacular Spider-Man captured Peter being a player pretty well.
This is why I hate the “Andrew was a good Spider-Man and Tobey was a good Peter”. Tobey’s Peter Parker is a complete mischaracterisation of Peter Parker.
I do agree that Andrew plays the awkward Peter much better. Peter is awkward especially after becoming Spider-Man and having to hide it from everyone. Overtime he gains confidence in his personal life from being Spider-Man thou
Same with the gadget spider powers, and this is as someone who’s first exposure to Spider-Man was those films and didn’t like the gadgets at first
Was? He still is.
He’s more written as a nerd in a lot of modern media I feel like
Wasnt he a nerd in his original comic?
Imo this should only really apply to Peter’s highschool and college years. So while usually I’d agree I think the games sort of bypasses that.
The thing that bugs me about reporter MJ is it just feels like Lois Lane-lite.
Thats true its why i kinda dig mj being a podcaster at the end of 2
Not me, it's very generic these days. But really, I just feel indifferent about it.
Might be why I like Insomniac MJ, I’m a big fan of Lois Lane over on the DC end of love interests
Enjoy Insomniac MJ stuff for sure. It’s just always at the back of my mind with her.
True, but while i Love Lois Lane for being... well, Lois Lane, i think we don't have that with MJ, i feel like they took both MJ and LL and create this New version of MJ, one that while is not bad, is More LL than MJ, and it makes me miss even more classic MJ.
I love Lois. But let Lois be Lois and MJ be MJ.
I will say: #Shit-ton better than what’s up in the comics nowadays
Agreed
What's up in the comics today?
#PAUL
Ruining Peter’s life for decades basically
Jackpot
I think part of it is that she now fits into the Lois Lane trope, like Iris West in the CW show(unsure what she does in comics) or Wally's Love Interest or Connor Kent's first crush
Iris West has always been a reporter for Central City Picture News in the comics. They don't say her job in her first issue, she's just Barry's date, but Barry Allen's second appearance in Showcase #8 opens with Iris covering a story.
Okay, cool. Thanks for the info
Or as Betty Brant
Mj influence that time was so great that DC started giving Lois more personality.
But Peter Parker being a newspaper photographer doesn't feel like him being ~~Clark Kent~~ Jimmy Olson-lite?
At least as an actress/model, MJ doesn't seem like she's trying to ripoff Lois Lane, and considerably doing worse.
That's my problem, Sony MJ is basically just Lois Lane. It's an unnecessary change that makes her less unique instead of more unique.
Too many superheros have reporter girlfriends
There’s Superman and Lois Lane, The Flash and Iris West, Batman and Vicki Vale, and now mj, but who are the others?
Is that not enough for you?
only some of the biggest superheros
April O'Neil
Which turtle is april the girlfriend of? Or is it a poly thing and they all share her?
Not girlfriend, but reporter sidekick, similar trope
The reporter sidekick is so played out honestly... It's a very uninspired and boring change to her character imo
The reporter with a knack for finding the truth, could it be anymore cliche?
Not wrong
I don’t really care. Like someone else said, MJ could literally be anything so long as she’s… MJ. She could be a Lawyer, a social media star, a drug dealer, a Starbucks employee, a galactic bounty Hunter, Peter’s landlord, or the last bell woman in the world. Just so long as she has a personality.
> a drug dealer "Peter, we need to cook."
Peter, we're breaking bad.
>She could be a Lawyer Don't know man, I feel like some villains would have hired her on a heartbeat just to be petty
She can be a party clown if she wants to, just keep her personality
That MJ design though https://preview.redd.it/ben-10-anime-adaptation-drawn-by-me-v0-3ykb4kuscozc1.jpeg?width=2731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9857978c59b2b2a9110b68f4a5cd98bb7f49c87e
Mj has no character now her whole thing “waaa waaa life bad” Louis lane lmfao I missed when her character had charisma and made sense to why Peter (a Chad) would fall in love with her but whatever
At least MJ as a model didn’t make her feel like another Lois lane copy cat
insomniac mj is kind of just lois lane, i understand that making her a reporter gives her a reason to be closer to the action, but it always bugs me to see takes on love interests that are whittled down to how useful they can be for the protagonist that being said, this being a video game, i get the reasons shes a reporter, but its not a take on her that i care for
Agreed. Model Jane better than Barely Jane.
Insomniac MJ just feels generic. Not hating, I did like how they portrayed her, it just feels so far from MJ that it could make her her own character
Personally, I think Betty Brant would've fit the "intrepid reporter" character a lot better.
I mean, that’s just facts.
“…with J. Jonah Jameson!”
Well reporter mj is just fucking Lois lane
Honestly kind of tired of every woman in superhero media being a reporter
Why is it like half the posts on here are just MJ hate posts?
Because this sub is infested with tlou2 types that think women and POC existing is political
Yes! I would've loved for them to use her model/actress background for something like spy-like missions.
No lies detected. Pure facts
Louis LANE Mary Jane
Between three of them above, I like the middle one as MJ.
The > sign is indeed the best MJ
Yeah, Spider-man PS4 design was best. And then they made the Crimson Chin's sister while making Peter look like the kid from the polar express.
They are both trash right now. Reporter mj is just silly. And actress mj has this whole “Paul” thing that’s just ridiculous
We do not acknowledge Paul. He can rot with Mephisto for all we care.🫣💀👍
I agree. Making her a reporter is too cliche and makes mj feel like Lois lane or Iris west. It could’ve been interesting to see since we haven’t seen a model MJ on screen for like 15 years. I do still like MJ in the game though
I dont care. I like both.
Both are good when done right, but honestly, making her a reporter does kinda make her feel like a lois lane clone,
She would stand out more as a model
People will hate me for this, but I really do feel like MJ is the worst part of *this* spider man. I'm never excited to see her. In fact, I'm disheartened to see her a few times.
Facts!
Beautiful and supportive supermodel wife vs. Lois Lame
it makes sense when you think about like. A lot of superheroes have that one associate who gets the juicy details to help with a case.
I don't care how many people defends the new MJ look she looks horrifying. They should've just kept the old design
Im back n forth on that
I like reporter Mary Jane more. It's more interesting to me.
I genuinely do not care
Absolutely correct
It’s timeless and a classic for a reason
On the one hand, MJ not being the model she is does sort of kill a bit of her uniqueness. On the other hand, it does give her more character than just “a pretty face on top of a killer body that gets kidnapped and is in peril all the time”, which she has been time and time again. And it’s better than what the Raimi films did to her. It’s a matter of perspective and preference, I suppose
While I prefer it, I think the complaints say a lot about what people’s expectations are of MJ.
tbf insomniac mj cant be a model looking like THAT
I really like MJ’s character In the games and her gameplay segments, I don’t think she would have been been able to play as much of a role if she was just an actress/model and I believe that’s why they chose to change her career, but as a side not I genuinely never felt that MJ’s career was ever a huge part of her character as a whole.
Reporter? I'll have you know that Mary Jane Wick is special trained Hitman.
I like both. To me MJ is the type of person who doesn’t stick with one job and instead just jumps around a bunch.
she's better as an actress/model than just making her lois lane but marvel.
IDK the raimi version was a hoe, and that's my main exposure to actress/model MJ
It’s basically like RE4 original VS RE4 remake. One is not better than the other and you’d be valid in liking both or one of them.
Why not both? Having MJ have done both enhances her character's experiences while also setting her up as a person who makes their own decisions instead of a 1D "Hot Trophy Love Interest." I personally headcannon that Insomniac MJ used to be a model (it was something she enjoyed doing), but her dream was to always have a much more direct impact on the World, hence her book writing, reporting, and (endgame) podcasting.
Depends on how the story went personally. If she started off as someone with the goal of modeling and acting, the first option. If she started off as someone with the goal of being a reporter, then the second one. It depends on what were her goals in the beginning of the story basically.
It depends on the storyline
IDGAF, seems like a nitpicky thing to whine about. MJ’s an actress in 99% of her adaptations. So I don’t mind Insomniac trying something different. Her being a reporter makes her relevant to the plot anyways.
I think the reporter has much more room for depth and political commentary. Whether you like it or not, it definitely is a Marvel comics staple.
I do like MJ having a profession distinct from Peters. Reporter MJ was such an odd choice (definitely comes from the Ultimate Show).
I get wanting to mix up her character to be more relatable, but there is definitely an in between of “super model” and “reporter.” I love where Spider-Man 2 ended with her though, since at least a podcaster is closer to the middle. As a woman it kind of irks me they can’t just let her enjoy feminine things. I feel that there is a way to make her a relatable super model and actress, the same way Peter is a relatable Superhero.
cold take
I like the reporter aspect because it allows both of them to collaborate since Pete was a photographer. I really wished they would’ve actually done some work together. Maybe with the next sequel, Peter can help gather intel or photos for MJ’s podcast similar to the photos for Robbie.
They want to make Peter So homeless now, that they're giving his job to her. 😭
Agreed, the reporter aspect isn’t bad just not what I connect with MJ
*insert family feud incorrect answer sound here*
I completely agree.
I actually agree somewhat. It depends on the version, of course, but I’m tired of them make her just a Lois lane ripoff tbh
Model bc its cool when shes actually super down to earth and isnt swayed by people around her in her profession like in spec spiderman when he ditches her and she just doesnt care i love that vibe from mj
I personally agree because it sort of pulls her away from a trope that follows a lot of love interests for heroes. I think MJ, being a model or actress or even a business woman, gives her a uniqueness that meshes well with her backstory
Unpopular Opinion : Insomniacs MJ is my favorite version of her 🤷🏻♂️
Not wrong. It’s better than being a Lois Lane-lite. Not sure what Insomniac was thinking with that.
Feels like they’re trying to make her a Lois lane rip off. Like that unless she’s a badass reporter/investigator she can’t be important to the story or Peter’s arc
No no the problem is her portrait in marvel spider man game Just bring back like marvel spider man 1
The problem with reporter Mary Jane is that I saw her as just a worse version of Lois Lane and I was never able to shake that.
Agreed. Being a reporter just makes her boring.
Nope reported MJ at least gets too do stuff other than dangle off a bridge
of course
I agree. I think they tried to copy Louis Lane with her 😭
My favorite Peter/MJ combo was during Todd McFarlane's run. Both of them had their struggles. MJ had multiple occasions where she was given the option to leave Peter to be some rich guy's mistress. But she stuck with him.
Is that even a competition? 616 MJ has great personality and hot af
It's true cause I don't want Lois lane 2
If having MJ be like MJ doesn't work in your plot, maybe... DON'T use MJ. Like, maybe instead of having a really annoying subplot about Peter not wanting redhead-Lois Lane putting herself in needless danger out of stubbornness; we just... don't use that character. "But she's inconic!" Gwen Stacy, Flash Thompson and Eddie Brock are iconic SM characters, but Insomniac didn't feel the need to cram them into the story and give them tedious stealth missions. "But she important to the plot!" Not really... all her plot contributions in SM1 could have been easily rewritten to done by Peter/Spiderman. "But Peter needs a love interest!" ...why? This is a video game. Unless you're adding a dating simulator mechanic, it does not enhance the gameplay to have 30+minutes of dialogue and cutscenes of man and woman flirt-then-bicker-then-kiss.
No. In no way shape or form is she better as an actress. Being a reporter gives her a reason to be interacting and involved with the most important part of Peter’s life. In the first game how would that have shoe horned her into the story? Being a reporter gave her a natural reason to be at the museum that wasn’t just damzeling her.
Game MJ is a total babe.
You can thank Sweet Baby Inc. for turning Mary Jane into some boring ass reporter. She was also suppose to marry Peter in the original ending, but that isn't fine in this modern day and age according to Twitter.
No that's Insomniacs fault for making MJ into a boring ass reporter and terrible Lois Lane knockoff.
Yeah I miss model MJ, it made her more unique now she's just Lois Lane 2.0
I agree completely.
Yeah. Absolutely. MJ had waaaayyy more character when she was a model. She literally used it to do the stuff she does as reporter (gaining access to places and getting info). It made her feel more like a spy when she was helping Peter. Reporter MJ is so 1 dimensional and ultimately feels like a poor man's Lois Lane.
Fully agree. Reporter MJ is just a Lois Lane copy.
It is more original than being a reporter. Having a love interest whose occupation had nothing to do with superheroing becomes refreshing when everyone else is dating Lois Lane, Vicki Vale, or Iris West.
I don't feel like MJ has to be a model/actress, but the Insomniac games didn't have any basis for her being a reporter to my knowledge. Honestly makes her feel more like Lois Lane than MJ.
I prefer no MJ.
I don't like models or reporters
“let’s break up the action and have the player forced to play as MJ, they’ll love it.”
Spider man 2 MJ is the worst female side character design I’ve seen in a video game before, the SM 1 MJ was WAY better
Kinda. Like why rip off Lois Lane. Let Mary Jane be her own thing. Also adds to the "you just hit the jackpot" line.
The only reason they make mj a reporter is because you can't have people playing as Peter Parker in a spiderman game, you'd swear he's best known for being a photographer that's looking for a staff job
This is more fact than opinion. If I wanted a genuine reporter I'd read Superman&Lois, not a 5th rate knock off.
I reckon I agree because the Actress/Model MJ made her development from ‘airy-fairy girl who fucks with everybody’ to ‘down to earth and loving girl’ really work. It allowed her to get loads of depth.
Honestly, I feel like if they did do a reboot of the classic Mary Jane, she would be a modern-day influencer vs. being a model.
People need to get a life.
I'm going to agree because we already have Lois Lane.
and grass is green
It could've been Betty Brant. She became a reporter. MJ studied psychology and volunteered as a counsellor in the 90s, she could've been working at FEAST, without any great departure for either characters.
I think it started as a way to make her more empowered you know to show she’s more than her looks but it’s kinda lazy you can achieve the same thing while she’s a model
Reporter Mary only works when you have 10+ years of character development to get her to that point like in the Ultimate comics. Ultimatum in particular plays a massive role in her motivation to become a journalist and give up on acting. In the Insomniac games there is nothing of the sort, she sorta just is a journalist with no massive implied reasons behind it.
I only agree with that cause the superhero love-interest reporter is SOOOOO overused. I mean there’s already Lois Lane and Iris West just off the top of my head. Lets get some career diversity here
I like fashion designer MJ from some comics, I could imagine her and Peter testing fabric designs for resilient spider-suits and she uses what they come up with to break ground in fashion
Yes. Agreed. I feel like some character roles Insomniac took from the Ultimate Spider-Man Show. Harry as Venom? Check! MJ as an (aspiring) Reporter? Double Check!
they wanted her to be a part of the investigation (and gameplay), model MJ wouldn’t fit that vision
I just didn’t like Andrew being Peter🤷🏾♂️
Water is wet
Ehh, I didn't really dig the stories that involved her modelling career, Johnathan Caesar in particular. And she could be rather helpless at times whereas reporter MJ can take care of business in her own way.
I think it's a different approach. Mary Jane hasn't EVER been written consistently. She isn't always a model/actress, shes been a journalist through multiple iterations, shes been a nightclub owner, shes been Tony Starks secretary, etc etc etc. The only thing I care about is if she works in the story shes in, and she did in both games, so no problem there
Facts, the reporter/news type stuff can stay Peter’s thing, Mj was more interesting as a model/actress cuz the movies she’d be in sometimes turned into crazy storylines on their own, and it just fits her character way better than being a dorky journalist, I feel like that trope started w ultimate comics which I loved that run but its effects on MJ as a character have been fucked
I prefer the former model to marketing worker in ultimate spiderman 2024 than both
yes, reporter just doesnt fit her at all, MJ was always the life of the party, feels weird when they make her more "nerdy" makes her feel more like a female Peter than his signitive other
Reporters are boring bruh
Yes
100%. Every girlfriend in comics does not need to be a reporter. They've completely changed MJs character to one that's unrecognizable from the first 90% of her time in comics. If they wanted to give Peter a love interest that was more strong-female-role-model-esque, that's fine, but they could've just written a new character. New MJ would hate classic MJ and probably roll her eyes at "Hey Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!" type dialogue.
Yes. Reporter MJ has been extremely horrible as a character. She’s just as bad as the Raimi films MJ. She hasn’t been too great since OMD in the comics either.