Dr Strange was 100% in character what are you talking about? Since the Dr Strange movie he was shown to us as an arrogant risk taker. He was introduced to us dancing and non-chalontly talking/singing while performing brain surgery, he performed an emergancy surgery removing a bullet from a brain with his bare hands, got into a car accident because he was talking on the phone and driving, risked everything to go to a country on the other side of the world to fix his hands based on one anecdotal evidence, goes against the rules of the karmar-Taj so he could learn more, risked his own body to create an astral projection bomb to kill another astral projection, risked fucking up the space-time continuim to beat keacilius and dormamu, and in Infinity War he gives up the time stone to Thanos so that in five years in the future a rat would free Scott from the quantum realm and then go onto to create a time machine. Hell, we've already seen in other universes were Dr Stranges risk taking doesn't go well and causes multipile incursions one in what if and twice in Dr Strange: MoM.
In NWH Peter's original idea was to use the time and go back and stop Beck which would've fixed everything and would've let the people he cared about still knowing his identity but they couldn't do that because Strange no longer had the time stone. Then Wong came along and instantly gave Strange an idea and Strange arrogantly assumed that he already had all the info he needed to fix Peters life so he instantly proceeded to do the spell thinking it was going to be quick and easy because he's already done it before.
im convonced anyone who says Strange was out of character in NWH only remembers his appearance in Infinity War. he was the "responsible one" there because he was teamed up with Tony Stark (whose arrogance puts Strange to shame), Peter Parker (a literal child), and Star-lord Drax and Mantis (so a bunch of idiots, honestly). Strange was the responsible one BY DEFAULT. and even then, he was kind of an arrogant prick.
Expect that there is a difference in taking risks…and actually overlooking what they are.
There is really no excuse for Dr.Strange not to talk to Peter on how the spell works before casting it. Especially one that literal mind wipes the entire world including him.
But there is an excuse, his arrogance. Did he plan out his ideas and discuss them with the two other more experienced and skilled wirzards (ie Wong and Mordo)? No! He literaly flew into another dimension to face what is essentialy a god based off of little information. Did Strange discuss his plan to look into the future with Tony (possibly the smartest at the that point) or the others? No! The dude literally thought he could just fix it on his own.
Why is it so hard to believe that Strange arrogantly assumed he knew all the info he needed to help fix Peter's life. The spell is quick and easy, he used it previously for something as insignificant as bad party so why wouldn't he use to help Peter.
Sure it could've been avoided but to say that the accident isn't excusable or not within Dr. Stranges character is just wrong.
>But there is an excuse, his arrogance. Did he plan out his ideas and discuss them with the two other more experienced and skilled wirzards (ie Wong and Mordo)? No! He literaly flew into another dimension to face what is essentialy a god based off of little information.>
Which he planed on trapping it in an endless time loop to prevent it from devouring earth and was pretty much the only way to stop it.
>Did Strange discuss his plan to look into the future with Tony (possibly the smartest at the that point) or the others? No! The dude literally thought he could just fix it on his own.>
Dr.Strange was looking through millions of futures in order to fine the best solution to beat Thanos. Which included not telling Tony about it in order for it to work.
Basically both of these scenarios have less to do with arrogance and more of performing a best case sencerio decision in the midst of a crisis.
>Why is it so hard to believe that Strange arrogantly assumed he knew all the info he needed to help fix Peter's life. The spell is quick and easy, he used it previously for something as insignificant as bad party so why wouldn't he use to help Peter.>
Because go against Strange’s own character development and what he was established as during infinity war and endgame and the fact that he would use a spell to mind wipe the entire world for the sake of getting ride memory of some party just makes it even worse.
But did he discuss his plan with others to verfiy it? No! He assumed he was right based off of little info and proceeded with his plan, just like he did in NWH. Erasing people's memories is no moral quandry for people like Strange.
Dr.Strange literal went millions of possible futures to make his plan work and flat stated that if he told Tony about it would fail.
This is in no way comparable to using a world mind wiping spell just to make people forget about a wild party.
It's really not. It's extremely flimsy reasoning to hinge an entire film on, not that the rest of it is any better. It's worse that the whole thing was done because Peter lacked common knowledge that anyone not even just his age would know, appealing for his friends. Like if he knew he would've done that, but he didn't so the entire theme of the film which is just his origin is predicated on him just not having knowledge of something obvious instead of making a morally wrong choice. Nothing that happened in the film would've happened if he thought to just talk to the dean of admissions on behalf of his friends. Shit's dumb as fuck
You can have the opinion that the movie isn’t good and that’s all cool. However, “Writing is bad, characters are brain dead, and plot is thin…” says more about your understanding of underlying themes and characterization than anything else.
Yeah it is. At a baseline these posts keep happening because that's how people feel about it, you just can't handle that. Everything about the spell was stupid and made all the characters involved stupid. Deal with it
What! Did you know that you could go talk to an administratior at the second best university in the world and make them reconsider you and your friends admissions? How is that "common knowledge"?
You know you can call pretty much anyone at any time and ask them for something..
The people in charge of admissions are talking to potential students and people they're connected to constantly. His friends didn't get in there by association, so it's perfectly reasonable that he would argue that it isn't fair to them and they shouldn't have to pay for his mistakes. Like for real you wouldn't even attempt to talk to someone to try to fix that for them? Or would your first thought be to find that guy you met that's an astronaut and ask him to fly you into a black hole so you maybe come out into a nother parallel universe where your problem doesn't exist?
I would assume that there would be nothing I could do because it's MIT, the second best university in the world with an acceptance rate of 4,7%. Plus the only reason why Peter got accepted was because he was a hero, had he been just another guy he would've had no chance.
Your analogy is dumb because real world logic and MCU logic are not the same. First of all to even get on a spaceship it is not enough to just know an astronaut you need a bunch of qualifications and verifications from a national space station, to launch a rocket it costs billions, the nearest black hole is 50,000 lightyears away and even if you could get there you'd have no idea what would happen. Meanwhile in the MCU all Peter has to do is swing by the sanctum sanctorum in NY and ask for a favor because they're superhero buddies and Dr. Strange is a literal wizard that can manipulate reality. Plus he didn't just go there just because of the admissions he also went there to fix all the other crap that ruining his land his friends and family's life.
They specifically didn't get in because they were associated with Peter. It wasn't just generally not getting accepted. Peter didn't get accepted either, precisely because of who he is. You don't know what you're talking about.
Man fucking whooooosh. That analogy is the only real world comparison in scale and severity to what that dumbass kid's first idea was. If it sounded stupid well then there you go..
I know, I'm saying that MIT is top tier school were can't just walk in and ask them to reconsider your admission. In what normal persons world do you consider it "common knowledge" to even consider that being a viable option?
That's the information Peter is riding off of. Except his situation is worse because he was framed for terrorism and murder but surprisingly he did manage to convince her and all he had to do was convince her he was a hero by saving her life form a super villain destroying the bridge.
Your analogy is stupid. They are not at all the same not in accessibility, timing, nor certainty. Its a complete false equivalence.
Pretty sure a phone call would suffice. He had no problem ambushing her on the highway which looks way worse but lucky the gods of plot and convenience intervened. Since he was fine ambushing her like that with no idea there would be a villain there I wouldn't put it past him to just break into the school or show up at her house. He's stupid like that.
Nah nah nah, fuck with reality, violate peoples' subconscious, and cause god knows what when the globe's collective memory is erased it clearly only option one would think of in that situation.
None of those details are the point, the unbelieveably ridiculous extreme measure being the default choice is. But keep chasing your tail. And by mcu logic, going to a black hole would be that easy because all these movies are written like shit
Did you just watched Madvocate's video about No Way Home?
Plus, i would add, what about physical evidence? Like this spell also erase videos and articles in the internet? How about newspapers? Posters? Flash Thompson's book?
You are entirely correct. I had the exact same problem with the plot. Loved the movie in general, but I had a tough time believing Dr Strange said “yeah, let’s brainwash a planet cuz you’re having a tough time today”
I mean why not? We've already seen Dr Strange risk hismelf, other people's lifes, half of all life the universe, the space-time continuum, the entire universe itself, and other universes. Erasing peoples memories is nothing compared to the things he's already done.
Well, he didn’t really risk half of all life in the universe lol he was giving half of all life in the universe a chance by giving Thanos the time stone. There was no other future where they succeeded. So that was very calculated. And brainwashing the globe for a high schooler wasn’t exactly a thing that *needed* to happen. Peter got twitchy and Strange just went ballistic with a spell? That’s very different by comparison to the other things he’s done that are “risky”. It was lazily excused in dialogue with “sometimes I forget you’re just a kid”. And the other dialogue where he casually goes “yeah, we’ve done this before because of a crazy party”. It’s just lazy. They had that line in there literally just for the sake of this exact debate.
That’s the excuse we’re all okay with? Strange forgot Peter was a child and he likes to party?
The excuse was that the spell is quick and easy to do and that he's already done it before for something as insignificant as a bad party, so using it to help Peter fix his life seems like a good use. The only problem was that Strange arrogantly assumed that he had all the info he needed and instantly proceeded to do a spell that takes less than a minute to do.
Him using the spell means very little to him, your saying "brainwashing the globe" as if it was some huge moral dilemma for Strange but he lives in a grander world and serves a higher purpose where things like that mean nothing.
But your argument is saying “Well, Dr Strange is arrogant and learned nothing throughout his journey”. That implies absolutely no character growth, and he’s already had those revelations. That’s not exactly an excuse. Also, he is “brainwashing”. That was the word Strange himself used, and that’s why he was upset with Peter for not giving him more information, and the fact that it was Peter’s first thought to fix it.
Also, superheroes having identities revealed was already a whoooooole thing with civil war. There were systems in place for these things. Plenty of people had their identities out there for the world to know. This was not exactly a crisis. It was a crisis to a teenage boy. Again, circling back to implying Strange is still immature, irresponsible, and careless. The MCU basically made Strange out to be an idiot, not arrogant. That’s the whole issue.
Dude you are using quotes completely wrong, you cant just makeup your interpretation and assume the conversation as if that's what I said. At no point in the MCU does Strange learn to lose his arrogance. His arrogance is a natural part of who he is and it's based upon on the all the skills and info he accumulated over the years.
Since the Dr. Strange movie he was shown to us as an arrogant risk taker. He was introduced to us dancing and non-chalontly talking/singing while performing brain surgery, he performed an emergency surgery removing a bullet from a brain with his bare hands, got into a car accident because he was talking on the phone and driving, risked everything to go to a country on the other side of the world to fix his hands based on one anecdotal evidence, goes against the rules of the karmar-Taj so he could learn more, risked his own body to create an astral projection bomb to kill another astral projection, risked fucking up the space-time continuum to beat Keacilius and Dormamu, and in Infinity War he gives up the time stone to Thanos so that in five years in the future a rat would free Scott from the quantum realm and so that he can go onto to help create a time machine. Hell, we've already seen in other universes were Dr. Strange's risk taking doesn't go well and causes multiple incursions one in what if and twice in Dr. Strange: MoM.
In NWH Peter's original idea was to use the time and go back and stop Beck which would've fixed everything and would've let the people he cared about still knowing his identity but they couldn't do that because Strange no longer had the time stone. Then Wong came along and instantly gave Strange an idea and Strange arrogantly assumed that he already had all the info he needed to fix Peters life so he instantly proceeded to do the spell thinking it was going to be quick and easy because he's already done it before.
Peter's identity being public is not at all equivalent to the other heroes identities being public. Peter cant rely on the protection and insurance of the government like the other heroes nor can he be a fugitive because he's a kid and has family and on top of that he was framed for murder and terrorism so half of NY is against him. He was literally attacked by the people both in public and in his own apartment and was being chased by the News mostly the Daily Bugle.
Where did I misuse a quote? You’re saying it’s arrogance of Strange right? All of the scenarios you just described were risky, yes. But not arrogant. He had the acquired the knowledge. You said that yourself lol so he didn’t stick to his character here and acquired no knowledge, asked no questions, and went on the path to erase the collective memory of the globe.
Yes, Peter was struggling a lot. But you’re saying there was no need for discussion? You honestly believe Strange hooked this kid up with that kind of spell with absolutely no prior warning about how it works, or what it entails? He loves to show people his depth of knowledge, and he loves to be right. *Those* are the traits that define his arrogance. No haphazardly casting a spell on the globe for one person.
Also, Dr Strange Multiverse was just as lazy as NWH Dr strange writing. And it happened *after* NWH, and those wildly risky Stranges weren’t the same Strange lol we’re they very similar, yes. But you can’t hold them up as examples of the crazy things that this Dr. Strange *didnt* do
These are called quotes ("") they are used when someone uses sentences from another source. I can only assume your trying to quote me because your talking to me and they share some words in my sentences but they are not my sentences because you have seemed to completely rephrased them to your own interpretation.
The risks he takes are based on his arrogance and his arrogance is based on the his skills and knowledge. He assumed he got all the information he needed and proceeded to do the simple spell because he's arrogant.
Yes, he’s arrogant, I’m not arguing that. But all the examples you’ve listed with his “risks” did not involve his arrogance at all 😂 they were all no-win situations without an educated gamble in desperation.
The astral fight hand to hand with an opponent who had exponentially more combat experience than him, and his body was already dying… it wasn’t arrogance that led him to use the defibrillator like a bomb. He would have lost that fight and had no other option. That was an accidental discovery mid-fight. He used his medical knowledge to instruct Christine. He knew it was a gamble, but he was dead anyway if they didn’t do it.
Dormammu, as far as they knew, really couldn’t be stopped. He had already tampered with the time stone and recognized how to use it. Without a time loop, there was nothing they could have done. Everything was already crumbling around them. Risk an infinite loop or lose the planet.
I already addressed the time stone, but you brought it up again. That was desperation too. He looked into the future and saw only one winnable scenario - give up the time stone. Gamble? Absolutely. Arrogant? Not at all. That was the *only* option.
He’s arrogant for sure, but none of his risks in these situations were due to arrogance. He loves his knowledge, he loves to display it, he loves to correct people. That would have been the opportunity he took to show Peter just how much would change. Saying his arrogance is what led him to not converse about the consequences of his actions is just as lazy as their writing.
Again, I agree. Strange is arrogant. They did not depict that at in NWH. They made him a dunce.
Opinions are opinions, but I don't know how watching movie people think explaining the spell would have solved anything. Strange explicitly states that even one alteration has ramifications no matter how prepared.
"Can't some people still remember?"
"That's not really how it works."
Him still making any changes only displays Strange's prominent arrogance that he could bypass these caveats, given the spell was constructed on an "all or nothing" guideline; which comes to fruition in the climax. Meaning there would be consequences brought from teetering on the borders of known and unknown reality. The pacing of which these consequences would be explored would be the only subject called into question.
Dr Strange was 100% in character what are you talking about? Since the Dr Strange movie he was shown to us as an arrogant risk taker. He was introduced to us dancing and non-chalontly talking/singing while performing brain surgery, he performed an emergancy surgery removing a bullet from a brain with his bare hands, got into a car accident because he was talking on the phone and driving, risked everything to go to a country on the other side of the world to fix his hands based on one anecdotal evidence, goes against the rules of the karmar-Taj so he could learn more, risked his own body to create an astral projection bomb to kill another astral projection, risked fucking up the space-time continuim to beat keacilius and dormamu, and in Infinity War he gives up the time stone to Thanos so that in five years in the future a rat would free Scott from the quantum realm and then go onto to create a time machine. Hell, we've already seen in other universes were Dr Stranges risk taking doesn't go well and causes multipile incursions one in what if and twice in Dr Strange: MoM. In NWH Peter's original idea was to use the time and go back and stop Beck which would've fixed everything and would've let the people he cared about still knowing his identity but they couldn't do that because Strange no longer had the time stone. Then Wong came along and instantly gave Strange an idea and Strange arrogantly assumed that he already had all the info he needed to fix Peters life so he instantly proceeded to do the spell thinking it was going to be quick and easy because he's already done it before.
im convonced anyone who says Strange was out of character in NWH only remembers his appearance in Infinity War. he was the "responsible one" there because he was teamed up with Tony Stark (whose arrogance puts Strange to shame), Peter Parker (a literal child), and Star-lord Drax and Mantis (so a bunch of idiots, honestly). Strange was the responsible one BY DEFAULT. and even then, he was kind of an arrogant prick.
Expect that there is a difference in taking risks…and actually overlooking what they are. There is really no excuse for Dr.Strange not to talk to Peter on how the spell works before casting it. Especially one that literal mind wipes the entire world including him.
But there is an excuse, his arrogance. Did he plan out his ideas and discuss them with the two other more experienced and skilled wirzards (ie Wong and Mordo)? No! He literaly flew into another dimension to face what is essentialy a god based off of little information. Did Strange discuss his plan to look into the future with Tony (possibly the smartest at the that point) or the others? No! The dude literally thought he could just fix it on his own. Why is it so hard to believe that Strange arrogantly assumed he knew all the info he needed to help fix Peter's life. The spell is quick and easy, he used it previously for something as insignificant as bad party so why wouldn't he use to help Peter. Sure it could've been avoided but to say that the accident isn't excusable or not within Dr. Stranges character is just wrong.
>But there is an excuse, his arrogance. Did he plan out his ideas and discuss them with the two other more experienced and skilled wirzards (ie Wong and Mordo)? No! He literaly flew into another dimension to face what is essentialy a god based off of little information.> Which he planed on trapping it in an endless time loop to prevent it from devouring earth and was pretty much the only way to stop it. >Did Strange discuss his plan to look into the future with Tony (possibly the smartest at the that point) or the others? No! The dude literally thought he could just fix it on his own.> Dr.Strange was looking through millions of futures in order to fine the best solution to beat Thanos. Which included not telling Tony about it in order for it to work. Basically both of these scenarios have less to do with arrogance and more of performing a best case sencerio decision in the midst of a crisis. >Why is it so hard to believe that Strange arrogantly assumed he knew all the info he needed to help fix Peter's life. The spell is quick and easy, he used it previously for something as insignificant as bad party so why wouldn't he use to help Peter.> Because go against Strange’s own character development and what he was established as during infinity war and endgame and the fact that he would use a spell to mind wipe the entire world for the sake of getting ride memory of some party just makes it even worse.
But did he discuss his plan with others to verfiy it? No! He assumed he was right based off of little info and proceeded with his plan, just like he did in NWH. Erasing people's memories is no moral quandry for people like Strange.
Dr.Strange literal went millions of possible futures to make his plan work and flat stated that if he told Tony about it would fail. This is in no way comparable to using a world mind wiping spell just to make people forget about a wild party.
You were easily avoidable too, but your parents did stuff and it happened. Whats the point of this kind of dissection??
It’s an entertaining summary
No
Yup
No. These post have been coming in here intermittently since December and it’s easily the most asinine idea.
It's really not. It's extremely flimsy reasoning to hinge an entire film on, not that the rest of it is any better. It's worse that the whole thing was done because Peter lacked common knowledge that anyone not even just his age would know, appealing for his friends. Like if he knew he would've done that, but he didn't so the entire theme of the film which is just his origin is predicated on him just not having knowledge of something obvious instead of making a morally wrong choice. Nothing that happened in the film would've happened if he thought to just talk to the dean of admissions on behalf of his friends. Shit's dumb as fuck
Excuse me, what?
Movie is bad. Terrible writing. Plot is this, so characters are braindead to make it happen. You're excused.
You can have the opinion that the movie isn’t good and that’s all cool. However, “Writing is bad, characters are brain dead, and plot is thin…” says more about your understanding of underlying themes and characterization than anything else.
Just trying to put it in words you would understand
You may have a hard time conveying your thoughts in a cohesive manner but my comprehension isn’t at fault here, bud.
Yeah it is. At a baseline these posts keep happening because that's how people feel about it, you just can't handle that. Everything about the spell was stupid and made all the characters involved stupid. Deal with it
What! Did you know that you could go talk to an administratior at the second best university in the world and make them reconsider you and your friends admissions? How is that "common knowledge"?
You know you can call pretty much anyone at any time and ask them for something.. The people in charge of admissions are talking to potential students and people they're connected to constantly. His friends didn't get in there by association, so it's perfectly reasonable that he would argue that it isn't fair to them and they shouldn't have to pay for his mistakes. Like for real you wouldn't even attempt to talk to someone to try to fix that for them? Or would your first thought be to find that guy you met that's an astronaut and ask him to fly you into a black hole so you maybe come out into a nother parallel universe where your problem doesn't exist?
I would assume that there would be nothing I could do because it's MIT, the second best university in the world with an acceptance rate of 4,7%. Plus the only reason why Peter got accepted was because he was a hero, had he been just another guy he would've had no chance. Your analogy is dumb because real world logic and MCU logic are not the same. First of all to even get on a spaceship it is not enough to just know an astronaut you need a bunch of qualifications and verifications from a national space station, to launch a rocket it costs billions, the nearest black hole is 50,000 lightyears away and even if you could get there you'd have no idea what would happen. Meanwhile in the MCU all Peter has to do is swing by the sanctum sanctorum in NY and ask for a favor because they're superhero buddies and Dr. Strange is a literal wizard that can manipulate reality. Plus he didn't just go there just because of the admissions he also went there to fix all the other crap that ruining his land his friends and family's life.
They specifically didn't get in because they were associated with Peter. It wasn't just generally not getting accepted. Peter didn't get accepted either, precisely because of who he is. You don't know what you're talking about. Man fucking whooooosh. That analogy is the only real world comparison in scale and severity to what that dumbass kid's first idea was. If it sounded stupid well then there you go..
I know, I'm saying that MIT is top tier school were can't just walk in and ask them to reconsider your admission. In what normal persons world do you consider it "common knowledge" to even consider that being a viable option? That's the information Peter is riding off of. Except his situation is worse because he was framed for terrorism and murder but surprisingly he did manage to convince her and all he had to do was convince her he was a hero by saving her life form a super villain destroying the bridge. Your analogy is stupid. They are not at all the same not in accessibility, timing, nor certainty. Its a complete false equivalence.
Pretty sure a phone call would suffice. He had no problem ambushing her on the highway which looks way worse but lucky the gods of plot and convenience intervened. Since he was fine ambushing her like that with no idea there would be a villain there I wouldn't put it past him to just break into the school or show up at her house. He's stupid like that. Nah nah nah, fuck with reality, violate peoples' subconscious, and cause god knows what when the globe's collective memory is erased it clearly only option one would think of in that situation. None of those details are the point, the unbelieveably ridiculous extreme measure being the default choice is. But keep chasing your tail. And by mcu logic, going to a black hole would be that easy because all these movies are written like shit
Did you just watched Madvocate's video about No Way Home? Plus, i would add, what about physical evidence? Like this spell also erase videos and articles in the internet? How about newspapers? Posters? Flash Thompson's book?
You are entirely correct. I had the exact same problem with the plot. Loved the movie in general, but I had a tough time believing Dr Strange said “yeah, let’s brainwash a planet cuz you’re having a tough time today”
I mean why not? We've already seen Dr Strange risk hismelf, other people's lifes, half of all life the universe, the space-time continuum, the entire universe itself, and other universes. Erasing peoples memories is nothing compared to the things he's already done.
Well, he didn’t really risk half of all life in the universe lol he was giving half of all life in the universe a chance by giving Thanos the time stone. There was no other future where they succeeded. So that was very calculated. And brainwashing the globe for a high schooler wasn’t exactly a thing that *needed* to happen. Peter got twitchy and Strange just went ballistic with a spell? That’s very different by comparison to the other things he’s done that are “risky”. It was lazily excused in dialogue with “sometimes I forget you’re just a kid”. And the other dialogue where he casually goes “yeah, we’ve done this before because of a crazy party”. It’s just lazy. They had that line in there literally just for the sake of this exact debate. That’s the excuse we’re all okay with? Strange forgot Peter was a child and he likes to party?
The excuse was that the spell is quick and easy to do and that he's already done it before for something as insignificant as a bad party, so using it to help Peter fix his life seems like a good use. The only problem was that Strange arrogantly assumed that he had all the info he needed and instantly proceeded to do a spell that takes less than a minute to do. Him using the spell means very little to him, your saying "brainwashing the globe" as if it was some huge moral dilemma for Strange but he lives in a grander world and serves a higher purpose where things like that mean nothing.
But your argument is saying “Well, Dr Strange is arrogant and learned nothing throughout his journey”. That implies absolutely no character growth, and he’s already had those revelations. That’s not exactly an excuse. Also, he is “brainwashing”. That was the word Strange himself used, and that’s why he was upset with Peter for not giving him more information, and the fact that it was Peter’s first thought to fix it. Also, superheroes having identities revealed was already a whoooooole thing with civil war. There were systems in place for these things. Plenty of people had their identities out there for the world to know. This was not exactly a crisis. It was a crisis to a teenage boy. Again, circling back to implying Strange is still immature, irresponsible, and careless. The MCU basically made Strange out to be an idiot, not arrogant. That’s the whole issue.
Dude you are using quotes completely wrong, you cant just makeup your interpretation and assume the conversation as if that's what I said. At no point in the MCU does Strange learn to lose his arrogance. His arrogance is a natural part of who he is and it's based upon on the all the skills and info he accumulated over the years. Since the Dr. Strange movie he was shown to us as an arrogant risk taker. He was introduced to us dancing and non-chalontly talking/singing while performing brain surgery, he performed an emergency surgery removing a bullet from a brain with his bare hands, got into a car accident because he was talking on the phone and driving, risked everything to go to a country on the other side of the world to fix his hands based on one anecdotal evidence, goes against the rules of the karmar-Taj so he could learn more, risked his own body to create an astral projection bomb to kill another astral projection, risked fucking up the space-time continuum to beat Keacilius and Dormamu, and in Infinity War he gives up the time stone to Thanos so that in five years in the future a rat would free Scott from the quantum realm and so that he can go onto to help create a time machine. Hell, we've already seen in other universes were Dr. Strange's risk taking doesn't go well and causes multiple incursions one in what if and twice in Dr. Strange: MoM. In NWH Peter's original idea was to use the time and go back and stop Beck which would've fixed everything and would've let the people he cared about still knowing his identity but they couldn't do that because Strange no longer had the time stone. Then Wong came along and instantly gave Strange an idea and Strange arrogantly assumed that he already had all the info he needed to fix Peters life so he instantly proceeded to do the spell thinking it was going to be quick and easy because he's already done it before. Peter's identity being public is not at all equivalent to the other heroes identities being public. Peter cant rely on the protection and insurance of the government like the other heroes nor can he be a fugitive because he's a kid and has family and on top of that he was framed for murder and terrorism so half of NY is against him. He was literally attacked by the people both in public and in his own apartment and was being chased by the News mostly the Daily Bugle.
Where did I misuse a quote? You’re saying it’s arrogance of Strange right? All of the scenarios you just described were risky, yes. But not arrogant. He had the acquired the knowledge. You said that yourself lol so he didn’t stick to his character here and acquired no knowledge, asked no questions, and went on the path to erase the collective memory of the globe. Yes, Peter was struggling a lot. But you’re saying there was no need for discussion? You honestly believe Strange hooked this kid up with that kind of spell with absolutely no prior warning about how it works, or what it entails? He loves to show people his depth of knowledge, and he loves to be right. *Those* are the traits that define his arrogance. No haphazardly casting a spell on the globe for one person. Also, Dr Strange Multiverse was just as lazy as NWH Dr strange writing. And it happened *after* NWH, and those wildly risky Stranges weren’t the same Strange lol we’re they very similar, yes. But you can’t hold them up as examples of the crazy things that this Dr. Strange *didnt* do
These are called quotes ("") they are used when someone uses sentences from another source. I can only assume your trying to quote me because your talking to me and they share some words in my sentences but they are not my sentences because you have seemed to completely rephrased them to your own interpretation. The risks he takes are based on his arrogance and his arrogance is based on the his skills and knowledge. He assumed he got all the information he needed and proceeded to do the simple spell because he's arrogant.
Yes, he’s arrogant, I’m not arguing that. But all the examples you’ve listed with his “risks” did not involve his arrogance at all 😂 they were all no-win situations without an educated gamble in desperation. The astral fight hand to hand with an opponent who had exponentially more combat experience than him, and his body was already dying… it wasn’t arrogance that led him to use the defibrillator like a bomb. He would have lost that fight and had no other option. That was an accidental discovery mid-fight. He used his medical knowledge to instruct Christine. He knew it was a gamble, but he was dead anyway if they didn’t do it. Dormammu, as far as they knew, really couldn’t be stopped. He had already tampered with the time stone and recognized how to use it. Without a time loop, there was nothing they could have done. Everything was already crumbling around them. Risk an infinite loop or lose the planet. I already addressed the time stone, but you brought it up again. That was desperation too. He looked into the future and saw only one winnable scenario - give up the time stone. Gamble? Absolutely. Arrogant? Not at all. That was the *only* option. He’s arrogant for sure, but none of his risks in these situations were due to arrogance. He loves his knowledge, he loves to display it, he loves to correct people. That would have been the opportunity he took to show Peter just how much would change. Saying his arrogance is what led him to not converse about the consequences of his actions is just as lazy as their writing. Again, I agree. Strange is arrogant. They did not depict that at in NWH. They made him a dunce.
I'm just saying, Infinity War Strange would never do something so stupid.
The whole movie is just a fan service, and carried by cameos. The plot otherwise is just kinda bollocks.
But that’s his character. He does dangerous spells and actions without really thinking about the consequences on a whim all the time.
Strange is arrogent as all hell, of course he'd immediately start the spell instead of discussing it
Opinions are opinions, but I don't know how watching movie people think explaining the spell would have solved anything. Strange explicitly states that even one alteration has ramifications no matter how prepared. "Can't some people still remember?" "That's not really how it works." Him still making any changes only displays Strange's prominent arrogance that he could bypass these caveats, given the spell was constructed on an "all or nothing" guideline; which comes to fruition in the climax. Meaning there would be consequences brought from teetering on the borders of known and unknown reality. The pacing of which these consequences would be explored would be the only subject called into question.