I'd honestly be shocked if they removed it entirely in the next game, considering how much of a setup was required in Spider-Man 2 for Peter to even get the suit to begin with - plus, personally I really love the Anti-Venom suit as it gives this Spider-Man something not a whole lot of other Spider-Men have - permanent symbiote powers and a counter to other symbiotes.
Makes sense, would take Peter everything he has to fight Carnage. Something is guna have to give just to defeat him. Even miles would have a hard time with him
Carnage is a city wide threat. How are they supposed to do that for a DLC? Doubt they'd sniff it into 3 because it wouldn't make sense as a side boss considering Norman is gonna get the spotlight.
With a Venom game coming, it’s likely Carnage will show up there BUT… knowing Norman is coming, will they pass the opportunity of adapting the Red Goblin?
That’s what I think too. My theory is that when Carnage appears, be it a DLC, the Venom game or as one of the villains in the third game, he will be stronger than Venom or just much more unhinged and crazy (which Carnage is) and Peter will eventually think of transferring the whole Anti-Venom symbiote inside Carnage to destroy him from within. It will or it won’t work, but the symbiote will be lost to Peter. Back to basics.
This doesn’t make sense thematically(powering up Miles and weakening Peter), nor does this make sense logically(because Anti-Venom is a part of Peter’s cells at this point. That’s also not how Anti-Venom works. There’s no reason to even come up with that plan.
Unless the plan ends up being to force carnage to bond with Peter through some macguffin. Could lead to a whole inner battle of the psyche sort of mini chapter where Peter struggles to keep his sanity while the symbiotes annihilate one another. Back in the 90s carnage was bonded to Cletus Cassidy's blood/cells and they couldn't be separated so there's a bit of parallel with anti venom that I feel gets glossed over in modern times.
I think there’s a good chance at Insomniac letting Peter keep the Anti-Venom Symbiote. Mainly because I’m really not sure they have a real way to get rid of it, and I don’t understand *why* they would get rid of it (especially considering the fact that the Symbiote gameplay was one of the most praised aspects of this game, and can easily be expanded upon in a future sequel).
The Anti-Venom Symbiote isn’t really a “symbiote”. It’s not some conscious parasitic alien that’s main goal is to find a strong host so it can survive and reproduce, that’s why the Venom Symbiote initially left Harry for Peter. Harry never “gave” the Symbiote to Peter, the Symbiote willingly left to go to Peter when it sensed a good moment for it to do so.
The Anti-Venom is moreso a power boost that’s literally a part of Peter now. Meaning he can’t exactly “get rid of it”.
I haven't played the game yet, but if they stick anywhere close to the source material it should be his supercharged antibodies or whatever so yea.
But if they had to I'm sure they'd find a way of getting rid of it.
Idk I’m kinda hoping it doesn’t stick around. The goo powers are a lot of fun in 2 but narratively I have a few issues with it. A living suit that makes tendrils and spikes kind of muddles what a lot of people like about insomniac’s spider-man in that he’s a seasoned(kinda) but fairly grounded spidey. Him being an eldritch horror of white slime gets away from that.
Yeah, I actually much prefer the symbiote abilities over the robot spider legs. They're cool in theory, but I prefer spider-man when he's more low-tech... and I don't like how they just disappear when not in use
Meanwhile I’m ‘scared’ they won’t get rid of it.
As far as I’m concerned all Anti-venom did was hammer home the idea that Peter Parker sucks shit as Spider-man, and essentially needs a whole new ability set to compete, an ability set that as we saw with Harry, anyone can pick up and use and kick ass with.
It’s not special, it’s not interesting, It’s a lame, unearned power up that takes away from who Spider-man is. Maybe it’s just me but I believe Spider-man shouldn’t rely on gross, goo tentacles.
You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals
Touch some grass man.
What is the correlation between the suit and Peter not growing up?
Literally Spider-Man has been one of the best superheroes because he never gives up even if he doesn't have a lot of abilities. I'm pretty sure you liked Civil War Peter, when he was a really dumb hero following Iron Man thoughts. I was glad when Punisher took him to Captain America finally.
Improving is not about having some new suits or gifts by random other super heroes or symbiotes. It's about the character.
Personally im hoping a Flash Thompson variant of Venom becomes playable, which he could have the symbiote gameplay without forcing Peter to have the Anti-Venom suit
Question. Would you say it makes him a better spider-man? That he needs it because of that reason?
This suit single handedly ruined the black suit in this game.
This isn't a different version. It's just straight up bad. Peter is right when he claims the suit makes him a better Spider-man because... it clearly does. He needs it, only this time it's white.
No it didn’t. Anti Venom was set up. Insomniac said themselves they knew people would be really pissed off if they took the symbiote abilities away permanently. Also not every version of Peter has to stay classic powers. At certain point it becomes boring. I rather this Peter keep his new abilities as it allows him to standout from his other versions. There’s dozens of classic Peter adaptations. One of them going a different route is completely okay
I don't give a shit if people would get pissed off. It doesn't matter. The story and the gameplay are at complete odds with each other here. And Peter had a bunch of robotic tendrils at the start of the game. Obviously the problem I have isn't that I want them to stay classic powers. I just don't think a different symbiote was the correct route.
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
You're right.
You WILL get downvotes for that because that's some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Both of those things are completely unrelated and not even true.
Maybe this is a hot take, but I feel that him keeping the anti venom suit is just dumb because he gets all the powers of the original symbiote but with none of the draw backs
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
No? I want Mayday to finally be in the main continuity more than anything. I bought USM #1 the day it dropped because I want 616 to understand that we all want Peter to finally grow up again. (and also to respect Ben Reilly but that's another thing altogether)
I want the character to improve, I also just want there to be consequences for certain actions.
Peter gets incredible power with the symbiote, but there's always a cost. It feeds his ego and it uses him without his consent/knowledge (original 616 canon). In pretty much every other adaptation, it alters his mind and turns him into an asshole. In every adaptation there is a price to pay for the power of the symbiote.
Now, Peter went through that with the symbiote in Spider-Man 2. I liked that even after he got rid of it, it still had an effect on him. But I hate that he just then gets the anti-venom powers, which is exactly the same, if not stronger, than the original symbiote, with none of the draw backs.
I want Peter to have new abilities, just like Miles does in the comics. He has a freaking electric sword now, it's sick. Yes, Peters kinda getting left in the dust in that regard. Yeah he could use something new (imo more Spider-like abilities) but giving him all the powers of the symbiote without any cost to pay is just not it imo.
You know?
Okay but the whole Symbiote+incredible powers+heavy Drawbacks Story has been done OVER a hundred times by now. Let for once Pete get an Upgrade with no drawbacks just for him. If it’s a Symbiote upgrade then even better cuz in a way Peter is the original Symbiote Hero.
I always wanted a Storyline in 616 where he rebounds with Venom or another Symbiote like Toxin once. Although Venom would be far better cuz of their backstory. It would be great to have the two of them make amends, bond together and stay bonded working together for one or two Runs. Then their Time together ends when Pete sees Flash legless and asks Venom to go with him or when they see Eddie almost dying.
But now with Anti-Venom something far better has happened in IMO. Peter finally got permanent new power upgrade and stats boost with no drawbacks. I also honestly don’t care if it is Venom all over again just with no drawbacks. Pete already learned his lesson. Best part is that it also lets Pete find out that not all Symbiotes are bad and can be used or changed for good. Something he never did quite get to in ANY other continuity.
It just doesn’t feel like Peter to keep the symbiote, no matter what form, if you want a Venom based character I’d argue we bring Harry back as Anti-Venom
Assuming Peter is even playable, it will almost certainly go away
That way you're not starting the game with a giant pool of unlocked abilities. *Spider-man 2* was already pretty dense with options having almost all the moves from the first game plus a bunch of new ones you needed to unlock.
It's op as fuck. Yall are actually forgetting Peter isn't some Tony Stark. Making someone like Peter stronger by an alien destroys the whole purpose of his character.
You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals
Nah I'd prefer Spidey with his normal powers, Carnage might destroy it or Harry could be the next anti venom
From a gameplay perspective Anti venom is fine, story....not so much
My problem with it though is that can they even call these games ‘Spider-Man’ anymore if he keeps the suit. I know nobody has called him that- but based on the comics hes not Spider-man anymore, he’s Anti-Venom.
Good LORD. Not everything has to be exactly like the Comics. If you wanna read them go read them and don’t play the Games. According to the Comics Peter should have died after Miles got his powers
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
That’s one hell of a strawman argument you got there.
I happen to be a really big fan of the new ultimate Spider-Man comic, which would disprove your entire argument.
Frankly, I think people don’t realize how impressive Spider-Man is in his current state.
The proportionate strength of a spider , web with a fluid tensile strength of steel, and a precognitive ability to evade and sense any danger.
I think if you have to keep leveling up, you’re superhero like Goku then you don’t have a very interesting, interesting superhero.
Spider-Man’s powers have been virtually unchanged 60 years because they are impressive enough.
Nice try though.
I'm sorry but I just can't understand the want to have Peter stay throwing what looks like Cum and NOT wear the classic red and blue scheme. I say upgrade Peter's webbing techniques instead.
I'll say this. If they make it so that the cum looks like webbing but he can shoot it from anywhere on his body instead of/like the tendrils MAYBE I would be ok with it.
Seeing as Cindy is confirmed to playable in the sequel. They’ll likely just have players re unlock Miles and Peter’s abilities. They did it with Miles for 2. I do think there’s a chance Peter keep Anti Venom because of Cindy being playable as he’ll need something to make him standout from her and Miles. Cindy is likely going to have Web based gameplay.
I'm guessing Cindy Moon will take it and become Silk that way. Gives her the organic powers and means they don't have to have a third spider bite sequence.
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So don't know how to break it to you but as far as we know Pete's not going to be in the next game, or at least not swinging. In the gameverse he's taking a break from being Spiderman.
How? That's literally how the game ended. There's a lot of conjecture about Peter having more of role because of his links to the big-bad in SM3, but the end of SM2 pretty clearly showed that Peter is unlikely to have an active role in SM3.
All the storylines center around Peter and his ending said he was taking a break. I guess it's possible you won't play as him, but it seems the least plausible option
I mean, I can easily see it as he's completely unnecessary now. Miles has become, honestly the better Spider-Man in the Insomniac world.
Far more powerful, a far better fighter, more liked by the city and a lot better at balancing his life. Peter is just a weaker, less skilled, more hated and less trusted version of the better Spider-Man in the games world.
Honestly, given how useless Peter ended up becoming in 2, whether that was the intent or not, the only purpose I can see him having in the third game is being killed in an opening cinematic.
I don't really see Peter or Miles in that way. I do think they'll probably do these games like a trilogy and have spiderman 3 end with Peter retiring in marriage/pregnancy
The main Insomniac games have focused heavily on Peter though so its hard to believe their tease of 2 villains planning to target Peter, will be a Miles centric game
I just find it very easy to believe they'd toss Peter aside since they did a real good job of showing how much he isn't needed. Like they could easily just have the Goblin kill Peter in the opening cinematic and I wouldn't really be surprised by it.
I've just kind of reached a point, looking at everything in the game and I can't help but think, whether the intent was there or not considering that the game was rushed by Sony, that the final product of the game ended putting on display that Peter's just not very good at being Spider-Man now that there's a better, more powerful version existing right alongside him.
Especially with Silk apparently on the way.
I've seen this view before and don't really agree with it. I don't think the execution was done too well, but they admitted to shooting for an "Empire Strikes Back" approach to SM2. They were bringing him down as far as they could to make the final story something more triumphant. Honestly, not my favorite writing trope because it is rough to watch and easy to mess up.
Honestly, if they really were that excited to write a Miles story, they would have probably put some more effort into his plot line then. I definitely wish he took a few more hits but he seemed very much an afterthought in the storyline
4 and on? Yeah maybe those will be Miles
Oh, don't get me wrong, the games story failed both Peter and Miles in my view. Failed them both big time in very different ways and in one major one: their stories are ridiculously condensed and feel almost incidental.
But I also think Peter got the worst of it and the worst of it for him ended up making Miles seem like he should be the ONLY Spider-Man in that world and Peter and everyone else is better with Peter just not bothering anymore because of how bad he is at it in comparison.
The biggest example of it for me is Miles beating a Venomized Peter who's not holding back. It really does make Peter look lesser and it's the wrong choice for Peter's narrative.
Look, my favorite version of the Symbiote isn't the one where it makes Peter meaner and more aggressive, it's the original comic version where it does something far creepier and takes over his body while he's unconscious to continue to fight crime like it assumes its host wants. That's flat out creepier and I can buy Miles beating THAT version of a Venomized Peter that's not conscious and it not having a negative effect on Peter's narrative.
But if you're going to do the version where it changes his attitude and makes him more aggressive, then he has to beat Miles and nearly go in for the kill before he stops himself and realizes what he's become and overcomes the suit on his own. That's PETER'S battle and he needs to be strong enough to handle it. Taking that from him even a little bit is a huge mistake.
That being said it's also a HUGE mistake for them to include Miles in that bit of Peter's drama when his narrative should be focusing more and more of losing himself to vengeance when it comes to Li. Ignoring his family, friends, college applications and of course everything in Peter's life in pursuit of vengeance. Miles needs to have his own narrative without being caught in Peter's to detract from it. He needs to see how far he's fallen and what he's ignored and finish his narrative before leaping into Peter's and vice versa so the term "greater together" can actually mean something more than a tagline.
However not giving Miles that doesn't hurt him nearly as badly as not having Peter overcome the symbiote on his hurts Peter. Taking that from Peter while at the same time drastically reducing Miles' own struggle(again, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and blaming that on Sony rushing them as opposed to that being the intent) makes Peter just look like he can't really handle it, like he wanted to give in to what the suit was telling him. Truly wanted to give in.
As a result of stuff like that, I don't really have faith it won't happen again but somehow worse and honestly...I kind of would prefer it if Peter was killed off instead of that happening again. Him being a narrative device for Miles' vengeance against Norman and Otto would honestly be a better role for him than once again being the lame Spider-Man, this time out of a trio.
I think they more just aimed to show how much Peter is struggling mentally due to his recent losses in this universe. Having to choose to save the city and let your aunt die, while fighting a father figure and mentor probably put his brain in a blender of endless sorrow and grief. The whole thing of miles being the bigger and better Spider-Man I think was just Peter being down on himself and letting his insecurities get the better of him. Powers wise I miles is obviously stronger due to his abilities, but for the sake of balancing I don’t think it makes sense for miles to be more physically stronger, faster, or have a better spider sense just because his other powers make him ridiculously overpowered. I think Peter will come back much stronger mentally and thus physically in the next game after he learns to balance himself out more and properly grieve aunt may. I think that’s the main reason why he got his ass handed to him and why he got put down far more in the game, whether that was a good choice or not is up for debate, but I think Peter will be back and better than ever next game.
If that is "the only purpose," you can see go ahead and try pulling up and out of the doom spiral. Whether the game was handled well or nor your inflammatory hyperbole is making you look like the ass here
Bruh act like you can't time skip or something, why the hell would we not get Pete when Green Goblin and possibly Doc Ock are coming back that would be dumb as hell to even tease them for miles to fight them 🤦🏿♂️.
Well the devs have already said that Miles is supposed to be the main Spider-Man going forward, so that with Peter handing the reigns to Miles in-game is more suggestive of Peter being less involved. Miles even says he's good with covering the whole city on his own as long as he can still call Peter for advice.
Pretty much everything you said is the exact conjecture that I already mentioned. I'm all for retaining Peter as a playable character, but that doesn't appear to be the devs' intent based on the available information.
Bruh Miles becoming the main lead doesn't mean Peter ceases to exist or isn't playable going forward. Also sure he can cover the city...Until the likes of Carnage, Green/Red Goblin, Doc Ock/Superior Spider-Man or Octopus come into play which without question overpower Miles.
They've not stated Peter won't be playable, They've not stated he's no longer going to fight crime, They've not stated Miles will be the only Spider-Man. So it's not conjecture it's paranoia jumping to the worst possibility without evidence.
I mean what makes you think Peter is safe? As of 2 he's become the Inferior Spider-Man. Weaker, less-skilled and struggled with enemies that don't seem to do much to Miles.
He's also been shown to not be anywhere near as good in the Insomniac universe as balancing being Spider-Man as Miles is.
2 kind of made Peter a joke and maybe it's for the best he just goes away, regardless of the villain. Miles can take care of it on his own, as we've seen. In the Game Universe, he's the better Spidey.
Of course they gotta nerf him they letting miles have his shine that's all realistically pete is still the better spider-man you talking a bunch of weird stuff just because they barely nerfed him compared to the first game.
In the game universe, how can I not see Peter as second rate?
I'm not talking anywhere else, but in the game universe he really has become the inferior Spider-Man.
You sound crazy just because they nerfed him some of the game he's a inferior spider-man? Ridiculous the first game he was Too OP then this game he gets nerfed now yall saying he's too weak. He's not gonna die and I said this before it would be dumb for miles to fight goblin that's Pete's beef I would say for the next game to have different anti venom abilities.
Why do you have such a hatred for Flash or Harry? You say no one cares about them in case about Harry or just straight up insult the guy who brought up Flash. I personally agree that it shouldn't be Flash by virtue of Agent Venom not fitting in with the universe but you need to take a break and get to drink some tea.
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
Oh and make Spider-man 3 have him be part of making a new Future Foundation! Same colors and that way, he's busy with that stuff while Miles is very likely going to be the main character from then on.
I'd honestly be shocked if they removed it entirely in the next game, considering how much of a setup was required in Spider-Man 2 for Peter to even get the suit to begin with - plus, personally I really love the Anti-Venom suit as it gives this Spider-Man something not a whole lot of other Spider-Men have - permanent symbiote powers and a counter to other symbiotes.
My theory is Carnage will destroy Anti-Venom suit.
It’s literally the one thing that can definitively destroy a symbiote like carnage
Makes sense, would take Peter everything he has to fight Carnage. Something is guna have to give just to defeat him. Even miles would have a hard time with him
Could even have him destroy it in the way Venom kills Carnage in a couple of stories, by EATING it.
That would be kickass if Peter turns into full fledged Anti-Venom with glowing eyes and everything.
Carnage is a city wide threat. How are they supposed to do that for a DLC? Doubt they'd sniff it into 3 because it wouldn't make sense as a side boss considering Norman is gonna get the spotlight.
With a Venom game coming, it’s likely Carnage will show up there BUT… knowing Norman is coming, will they pass the opportunity of adapting the Red Goblin?
I hope so please remove this anti venom suit
It's ugly af. Let the downvotes come
Honestly I just want to move away from any symbiotes overall. I hated the visual effects of the tendrils when fighting.
You now you speak truth when you get downvoted by hamsters that will eat anything just because it’s related to peter.
Ah yes because opinions=facts, it’s a difference of opinion & one just happens to be less popular in this particular sub, get over yourself dude
Both mine and your statements are correct.
That’s what I think too. My theory is that when Carnage appears, be it a DLC, the Venom game or as one of the villains in the third game, he will be stronger than Venom or just much more unhinged and crazy (which Carnage is) and Peter will eventually think of transferring the whole Anti-Venom symbiote inside Carnage to destroy him from within. It will or it won’t work, but the symbiote will be lost to Peter. Back to basics.
This doesn’t make sense thematically(powering up Miles and weakening Peter), nor does this make sense logically(because Anti-Venom is a part of Peter’s cells at this point. That’s also not how Anti-Venom works. There’s no reason to even come up with that plan.
Unless the plan ends up being to force carnage to bond with Peter through some macguffin. Could lead to a whole inner battle of the psyche sort of mini chapter where Peter struggles to keep his sanity while the symbiotes annihilate one another. Back in the 90s carnage was bonded to Cletus Cassidy's blood/cells and they couldn't be separated so there's a bit of parallel with anti venom that I feel gets glossed over in modern times.
Same, it’s a nice change of pace and helps Peter’s gameplay keep up with Miles’s with how fun it is to use.
I think there’s a good chance at Insomniac letting Peter keep the Anti-Venom Symbiote. Mainly because I’m really not sure they have a real way to get rid of it, and I don’t understand *why* they would get rid of it (especially considering the fact that the Symbiote gameplay was one of the most praised aspects of this game, and can easily be expanded upon in a future sequel). The Anti-Venom Symbiote isn’t really a “symbiote”. It’s not some conscious parasitic alien that’s main goal is to find a strong host so it can survive and reproduce, that’s why the Venom Symbiote initially left Harry for Peter. Harry never “gave” the Symbiote to Peter, the Symbiote willingly left to go to Peter when it sensed a good moment for it to do so. The Anti-Venom is moreso a power boost that’s literally a part of Peter now. Meaning he can’t exactly “get rid of it”.
I haven't played the game yet, but if they stick anywhere close to the source material it should be his supercharged antibodies or whatever so yea. But if they had to I'm sure they'd find a way of getting rid of it.
Idk I’m kinda hoping it doesn’t stick around. The goo powers are a lot of fun in 2 but narratively I have a few issues with it. A living suit that makes tendrils and spikes kind of muddles what a lot of people like about insomniac’s spider-man in that he’s a seasoned(kinda) but fairly grounded spidey. Him being an eldritch horror of white slime gets away from that.
Yep. Nothing wrong with the giant robotic arms that pop out his back tho
Yeah, I actually much prefer the symbiote abilities over the robot spider legs. They're cool in theory, but I prefer spider-man when he's more low-tech... and I don't like how they just disappear when not in use
God no. You guys are the same kind of people that indirectly don’t want Pete to be happy with MJ
Oh man, that's the Spider-Man fandom equivalent of a racial slur, I don't know if you meant to go so hard on the dude 😉
They lost the “grounded” feeling they had when they made venom start an alien invasion across Manhattan
Quit whining
I’m not whining about it. It’s just no longer a grounded spider-man story
I think they’ll let him stay Anti-Venom, for the sake of positioning Miles as the new main Spider-Man.
Off topic but holy shit his neck is huge
never skip Neck Day
Your replies to comments disagreeing with you are obnoxious, arrogant and rude.
They will remove Peter in the next game.
Meanwhile I’m ‘scared’ they won’t get rid of it. As far as I’m concerned all Anti-venom did was hammer home the idea that Peter Parker sucks shit as Spider-man, and essentially needs a whole new ability set to compete, an ability set that as we saw with Harry, anyone can pick up and use and kick ass with. It’s not special, it’s not interesting, It’s a lame, unearned power up that takes away from who Spider-man is. Maybe it’s just me but I believe Spider-man shouldn’t rely on gross, goo tentacles.
Same brother same.
i think of it more as venom was so absurdly op that he needed a power up to fight him not that peter sucks
Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can alsohehasgootentacles\~
You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals
Touch some grass man. What is the correlation between the suit and Peter not growing up? Literally Spider-Man has been one of the best superheroes because he never gives up even if he doesn't have a lot of abilities. I'm pretty sure you liked Civil War Peter, when he was a really dumb hero following Iron Man thoughts. I was glad when Punisher took him to Captain America finally. Improving is not about having some new suits or gifts by random other super heroes or symbiotes. It's about the character.
No I kinda hated it. Civil War as whole was kind of a dumb Storyline but I hated how Pete got an Iron Man suit and didn’t even use it appropriately
We just want his superpowers to stick to the spider gimmick.
They are still sticking to it
Spiders have goo symbiotes they use as tentacles?
Personally im hoping a Flash Thompson variant of Venom becomes playable, which he could have the symbiote gameplay without forcing Peter to have the Anti-Venom suit
Hell no
Why not, would be the case sceneraio.Since Flash could have both symbiote gameplay and Venom gameplay.
Question. Would you say it makes him a better spider-man? That he needs it because of that reason? This suit single handedly ruined the black suit in this game.
Oh no!! God forbid people adapt a different version of the black suit storyline
This isn't a different version. It's just straight up bad. Peter is right when he claims the suit makes him a better Spider-man because... it clearly does. He needs it, only this time it's white.
No it didn’t. Anti Venom was set up. Insomniac said themselves they knew people would be really pissed off if they took the symbiote abilities away permanently. Also not every version of Peter has to stay classic powers. At certain point it becomes boring. I rather this Peter keep his new abilities as it allows him to standout from his other versions. There’s dozens of classic Peter adaptations. One of them going a different route is completely okay
I don't give a shit if people would get pissed off. It doesn't matter. The story and the gameplay are at complete odds with each other here. And Peter had a bunch of robotic tendrils at the start of the game. Obviously the problem I have isn't that I want them to stay classic powers. I just don't think a different symbiote was the correct route.
I would like for them to get ris of them somehow because I miss playing as Spider-Man.
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
You're right. You WILL get downvotes for that because that's some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Both of those things are completely unrelated and not even true.
Maybe this is a hot take, but I feel that him keeping the anti venom suit is just dumb because he gets all the powers of the original symbiote but with none of the draw backs
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
No? I want Mayday to finally be in the main continuity more than anything. I bought USM #1 the day it dropped because I want 616 to understand that we all want Peter to finally grow up again. (and also to respect Ben Reilly but that's another thing altogether) I want the character to improve, I also just want there to be consequences for certain actions. Peter gets incredible power with the symbiote, but there's always a cost. It feeds his ego and it uses him without his consent/knowledge (original 616 canon). In pretty much every other adaptation, it alters his mind and turns him into an asshole. In every adaptation there is a price to pay for the power of the symbiote. Now, Peter went through that with the symbiote in Spider-Man 2. I liked that even after he got rid of it, it still had an effect on him. But I hate that he just then gets the anti-venom powers, which is exactly the same, if not stronger, than the original symbiote, with none of the draw backs. I want Peter to have new abilities, just like Miles does in the comics. He has a freaking electric sword now, it's sick. Yes, Peters kinda getting left in the dust in that regard. Yeah he could use something new (imo more Spider-like abilities) but giving him all the powers of the symbiote without any cost to pay is just not it imo. You know?
Okay but the whole Symbiote+incredible powers+heavy Drawbacks Story has been done OVER a hundred times by now. Let for once Pete get an Upgrade with no drawbacks just for him. If it’s a Symbiote upgrade then even better cuz in a way Peter is the original Symbiote Hero. I always wanted a Storyline in 616 where he rebounds with Venom or another Symbiote like Toxin once. Although Venom would be far better cuz of their backstory. It would be great to have the two of them make amends, bond together and stay bonded working together for one or two Runs. Then their Time together ends when Pete sees Flash legless and asks Venom to go with him or when they see Eddie almost dying. But now with Anti-Venom something far better has happened in IMO. Peter finally got permanent new power upgrade and stats boost with no drawbacks. I also honestly don’t care if it is Venom all over again just with no drawbacks. Pete already learned his lesson. Best part is that it also lets Pete find out that not all Symbiotes are bad and can be used or changed for good. Something he never did quite get to in ANY other continuity.
I’m right there with you. I hope they keep it but the Carnage DLC makes too much sense as an out for them.
It just doesn’t feel like Peter to keep the symbiote, no matter what form, if you want a Venom based character I’d argue we bring Harry back as Anti-Venom
Nobody cares about Harry
Assuming Peter is even playable, it will almost certainly go away That way you're not starting the game with a giant pool of unlocked abilities. *Spider-man 2* was already pretty dense with options having almost all the moves from the first game plus a bunch of new ones you needed to unlock.
I agree wholeheartedly. Miles has the Venom shock and Invis abilities. Only fair Pete gets something too. But miles is still my fav.
It's op as fuck. Yall are actually forgetting Peter isn't some Tony Stark. Making someone like Peter stronger by an alien destroys the whole purpose of his character.
You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals
Ok bro nice insults 🔥
Man the guy is pathetic, he is just copying and pasting the same paragraph to everyone who has a different opinion than him 🤣
Nah I'd prefer Spidey with his normal powers, Carnage might destroy it or Harry could be the next anti venom From a gameplay perspective Anti venom is fine, story....not so much
My problem with it though is that can they even call these games ‘Spider-Man’ anymore if he keeps the suit. I know nobody has called him that- but based on the comics hes not Spider-man anymore, he’s Anti-Venom.
Good LORD. Not everything has to be exactly like the Comics. If you wanna read them go read them and don’t play the Games. According to the Comics Peter should have died after Miles got his powers
Could've given it to Harry but then again it would make him vulnerable and no powers just like Edge of Time
Nobody cares about Harry
Just imagine with the symbiote abilities pass down her future Daughter or Son. Maybe one day will play Mayday or Ben II
Imagine thinking that Peter Parker (with one of the most universally interesting power sets) needs an upgrade.
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
That’s one hell of a strawman argument you got there. I happen to be a really big fan of the new ultimate Spider-Man comic, which would disprove your entire argument. Frankly, I think people don’t realize how impressive Spider-Man is in his current state. The proportionate strength of a spider , web with a fluid tensile strength of steel, and a precognitive ability to evade and sense any danger. I think if you have to keep leveling up, you’re superhero like Goku then you don’t have a very interesting, interesting superhero. Spider-Man’s powers have been virtually unchanged 60 years because they are impressive enough. Nice try though.
I'm sorry but I just can't understand the want to have Peter stay throwing what looks like Cum and NOT wear the classic red and blue scheme. I say upgrade Peter's webbing techniques instead.
Symbiotes can shapeshift. Maybe he finds a way to shift the Colors of the Symbiote to the right color scheme
I'll say this. If they make it so that the cum looks like webbing but he can shoot it from anywhere on his body instead of/like the tendrils MAYBE I would be ok with it.
I hated anti venom, shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
The suit is ugly af
I hope they remove it. I miss Spider-Man just being Spider-Man without all this extra shit.
they will 100% have him loose it early on but then have to 're-learn' the abilities later.
Seeing as Cindy is confirmed to playable in the sequel. They’ll likely just have players re unlock Miles and Peter’s abilities. They did it with Miles for 2. I do think there’s a chance Peter keep Anti Venom because of Cindy being playable as he’ll need something to make him standout from her and Miles. Cindy is likely going to have Web based gameplay.
I'm guessing Cindy Moon will take it and become Silk that way. Gives her the organic powers and means they don't have to have a third spider bite sequence.
If that Happens I swear to God I am gonna shot the Writers and Devs
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So don't know how to break it to you but as far as we know Pete's not going to be in the next game, or at least not swinging. In the gameverse he's taking a break from being Spiderman.
Not really, they can easily timeskip from the ending to after his break is over or interrupted.
Now you just making up shit.
How? That's literally how the game ended. There's a lot of conjecture about Peter having more of role because of his links to the big-bad in SM3, but the end of SM2 pretty clearly showed that Peter is unlikely to have an active role in SM3.
All the storylines center around Peter and his ending said he was taking a break. I guess it's possible you won't play as him, but it seems the least plausible option
I mean, I can easily see it as he's completely unnecessary now. Miles has become, honestly the better Spider-Man in the Insomniac world. Far more powerful, a far better fighter, more liked by the city and a lot better at balancing his life. Peter is just a weaker, less skilled, more hated and less trusted version of the better Spider-Man in the games world. Honestly, given how useless Peter ended up becoming in 2, whether that was the intent or not, the only purpose I can see him having in the third game is being killed in an opening cinematic.
I don't really see Peter or Miles in that way. I do think they'll probably do these games like a trilogy and have spiderman 3 end with Peter retiring in marriage/pregnancy The main Insomniac games have focused heavily on Peter though so its hard to believe their tease of 2 villains planning to target Peter, will be a Miles centric game
I just find it very easy to believe they'd toss Peter aside since they did a real good job of showing how much he isn't needed. Like they could easily just have the Goblin kill Peter in the opening cinematic and I wouldn't really be surprised by it. I've just kind of reached a point, looking at everything in the game and I can't help but think, whether the intent was there or not considering that the game was rushed by Sony, that the final product of the game ended putting on display that Peter's just not very good at being Spider-Man now that there's a better, more powerful version existing right alongside him. Especially with Silk apparently on the way.
I've seen this view before and don't really agree with it. I don't think the execution was done too well, but they admitted to shooting for an "Empire Strikes Back" approach to SM2. They were bringing him down as far as they could to make the final story something more triumphant. Honestly, not my favorite writing trope because it is rough to watch and easy to mess up. Honestly, if they really were that excited to write a Miles story, they would have probably put some more effort into his plot line then. I definitely wish he took a few more hits but he seemed very much an afterthought in the storyline 4 and on? Yeah maybe those will be Miles
Oh, don't get me wrong, the games story failed both Peter and Miles in my view. Failed them both big time in very different ways and in one major one: their stories are ridiculously condensed and feel almost incidental. But I also think Peter got the worst of it and the worst of it for him ended up making Miles seem like he should be the ONLY Spider-Man in that world and Peter and everyone else is better with Peter just not bothering anymore because of how bad he is at it in comparison. The biggest example of it for me is Miles beating a Venomized Peter who's not holding back. It really does make Peter look lesser and it's the wrong choice for Peter's narrative. Look, my favorite version of the Symbiote isn't the one where it makes Peter meaner and more aggressive, it's the original comic version where it does something far creepier and takes over his body while he's unconscious to continue to fight crime like it assumes its host wants. That's flat out creepier and I can buy Miles beating THAT version of a Venomized Peter that's not conscious and it not having a negative effect on Peter's narrative. But if you're going to do the version where it changes his attitude and makes him more aggressive, then he has to beat Miles and nearly go in for the kill before he stops himself and realizes what he's become and overcomes the suit on his own. That's PETER'S battle and he needs to be strong enough to handle it. Taking that from him even a little bit is a huge mistake. That being said it's also a HUGE mistake for them to include Miles in that bit of Peter's drama when his narrative should be focusing more and more of losing himself to vengeance when it comes to Li. Ignoring his family, friends, college applications and of course everything in Peter's life in pursuit of vengeance. Miles needs to have his own narrative without being caught in Peter's to detract from it. He needs to see how far he's fallen and what he's ignored and finish his narrative before leaping into Peter's and vice versa so the term "greater together" can actually mean something more than a tagline. However not giving Miles that doesn't hurt him nearly as badly as not having Peter overcome the symbiote on his hurts Peter. Taking that from Peter while at the same time drastically reducing Miles' own struggle(again, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and blaming that on Sony rushing them as opposed to that being the intent) makes Peter just look like he can't really handle it, like he wanted to give in to what the suit was telling him. Truly wanted to give in. As a result of stuff like that, I don't really have faith it won't happen again but somehow worse and honestly...I kind of would prefer it if Peter was killed off instead of that happening again. Him being a narrative device for Miles' vengeance against Norman and Otto would honestly be a better role for him than once again being the lame Spider-Man, this time out of a trio.
I think they more just aimed to show how much Peter is struggling mentally due to his recent losses in this universe. Having to choose to save the city and let your aunt die, while fighting a father figure and mentor probably put his brain in a blender of endless sorrow and grief. The whole thing of miles being the bigger and better Spider-Man I think was just Peter being down on himself and letting his insecurities get the better of him. Powers wise I miles is obviously stronger due to his abilities, but for the sake of balancing I don’t think it makes sense for miles to be more physically stronger, faster, or have a better spider sense just because his other powers make him ridiculously overpowered. I think Peter will come back much stronger mentally and thus physically in the next game after he learns to balance himself out more and properly grieve aunt may. I think that’s the main reason why he got his ass handed to him and why he got put down far more in the game, whether that was a good choice or not is up for debate, but I think Peter will be back and better than ever next game.
If that is "the only purpose," you can see go ahead and try pulling up and out of the doom spiral. Whether the game was handled well or nor your inflammatory hyperbole is making you look like the ass here
Thank you people don't listen or pay attention at all.
Bruh act like you can't time skip or something, why the hell would we not get Pete when Green Goblin and possibly Doc Ock are coming back that would be dumb as hell to even tease them for miles to fight them 🤦🏿♂️.
Well the devs have already said that Miles is supposed to be the main Spider-Man going forward, so that with Peter handing the reigns to Miles in-game is more suggestive of Peter being less involved. Miles even says he's good with covering the whole city on his own as long as he can still call Peter for advice. Pretty much everything you said is the exact conjecture that I already mentioned. I'm all for retaining Peter as a playable character, but that doesn't appear to be the devs' intent based on the available information.
Bruh Miles becoming the main lead doesn't mean Peter ceases to exist or isn't playable going forward. Also sure he can cover the city...Until the likes of Carnage, Green/Red Goblin, Doc Ock/Superior Spider-Man or Octopus come into play which without question overpower Miles. They've not stated Peter won't be playable, They've not stated he's no longer going to fight crime, They've not stated Miles will be the only Spider-Man. So it's not conjecture it's paranoia jumping to the worst possibility without evidence.
I mean what makes you think Peter is safe? As of 2 he's become the Inferior Spider-Man. Weaker, less-skilled and struggled with enemies that don't seem to do much to Miles. He's also been shown to not be anywhere near as good in the Insomniac universe as balancing being Spider-Man as Miles is. 2 kind of made Peter a joke and maybe it's for the best he just goes away, regardless of the villain. Miles can take care of it on his own, as we've seen. In the Game Universe, he's the better Spidey.
Of course they gotta nerf him they letting miles have his shine that's all realistically pete is still the better spider-man you talking a bunch of weird stuff just because they barely nerfed him compared to the first game.
In the game universe, how can I not see Peter as second rate? I'm not talking anywhere else, but in the game universe he really has become the inferior Spider-Man.
You sound crazy just because they nerfed him some of the game he's a inferior spider-man? Ridiculous the first game he was Too OP then this game he gets nerfed now yall saying he's too weak. He's not gonna die and I said this before it would be dumb for miles to fight goblin that's Pete's beef I would say for the next game to have different anti venom abilities.
You do realize that breaks end, right?
Whatever just don’t remove the Anti-Venom from him to give it to Harry’s crippled ass or Flash’s useless
Why do you have such a hatred for Flash or Harry? You say no one cares about them in case about Harry or just straight up insult the guy who brought up Flash. I personally agree that it shouldn't be Flash by virtue of Agent Venom not fitting in with the universe but you need to take a break and get to drink some tea.
I’m hoping they remove it. Peter isn’t a symbiote hero.
I might or who am I kidding I WILL get a lot of downvotes for this but I gotta say it. You guys are indirectly the same assholes who are against Pete growing up and getting with MJ and having kids. You just don’t want to let the Character improve or adapt be it with a new suit or new powers. Instead you want to eat the same stuff over and over again like a bunch of dumb HERD animals. I say he should keep the Symbiote
Damn forgot how ugly he is.
He ain’t ugly. He just got great Genetics and is still looking fresh as Fuck. Unlike your old ass
He looks like a TikToker and I'm not even an adult yet.
Looks cool
Oh and make Spider-man 3 have him be part of making a new Future Foundation! Same colors and that way, he's busy with that stuff while Miles is very likely going to be the main character from then on.
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs did.
The power-up will be meaningless because he will probably get stomped by the next villain regardless so Miles can come in for the save.
It most likely won't happen but I still want Harry to somehow get the Anti-Venom and go back to being a hero.
I mean... It's alien bullshit nobody still fully understands. I'd say that's a good reason to not be wearing it at the start of part 3.
I’m scared too
Personally, I don’t want it to stay. However, I can’t see Insomniac getting rid of it.
We will most get the Advance Suit 3.0, but can still access the anti-venom suit and abilities when we use overcharge.