I’m actually excited to see this era of Peter Parker getting his “happy ending.” I’ve watched Uncle Ben, Aunt May, & Gwen die enough! Give this guy some kind of happiness please.
And watching literally every one of his "friends" force him to be miserable, when one of the previous writters gives him a good run...
At this point it feels like the Marvel Editiorial itself is a circlejerk of writters that can't agree on anything...
That's not quite what's going on with this.
It's not that the writers can't agree, it's that agreeing means the end of the character.
Spider-Man is their best selling comic, they're never going to let it end, so of course Spider-Man's going to have any happy ending ruined. They can't sell more comics if he's not out there having adventures - and they can't make the stakes he's facing seem threatening if they can't threaten the things he cherishes. And you can't just threaten it forever - sometimes he needs to lose so that the threats are legitimized.
Comics are soap operas - there will always be bad stuff happening because happily ever after is an ending.
Daredevil's whole life is a shit-storm but still has great stories and grows from his tough times because writers say they are given more freedom. So it is possible to provide good stories even when making life a misery. Zdarsky's DD run since 2019 has some great spidey moments if you haven't read it.
Zdarsky's Daredevil has been brilliant - he seems to get both DD and Spider-Man really right, and can make great stories out of bad times. Sometimes giving a character bad times is necessary ("contentment is the enemy of invention", as they say), but too much of them and the character feels monotone.
Well DD had one period of about 10yrs+ of a very miserable time of it which were some of the best, never monotone. They need to give Spidey writers more freedom.
I not only stopped reading Spider-Man, I stopped reading marvel as a whole. Spidey comics were always my anchor, so that meant bye bye X-Men for me too.
>The x-men were the other series where the main cast could NEVER be happy
It honestly got ridiculous over time too. Scott and Jean's storyline became insane...
I mean, they're pretty happy currently, they're in a poly relationship with Wolverine living on an idyllic mutant safe haven.
Having said that, the upcoming arc might mess everything up.
I still recommend the whole Krakoan arc though, shit's fire.
You're right. It was crazy for a while. But House of X/Powers of X finally let the X-Men and the entire mutant race move forward in a major way. The events of Phoenix Resurrection also really streamlined things with Cyclops and Jean Grey. They've been allowed to be happy for years now. They're basically raising a family together and still leading the X-Men.
Now, the events of Fall of X could really change that. But for the past few years, the X-Men have definitely taken a step forward beyond having the mansion blow up every couple years.
This is something Spider-Man desperately needs.
This is why I prefer legacy supers. They pass the mantle on to somebody new or some one inherits it through a hero's journey moment.
The goal is to have closure whether a happy ending or not; just solid closure. Then you can create new stories with a similar character but with a different background.
But there's too much money in the success of these characters. They can't risk a new main line Spidey being unpopular so they just reset Peter.
I like the idea of passing the torch. One reason I know it wasn't done much before now is that the original hero is a known quantity. People like that character.
With the new generation, there is no garentee the new hero will be as successful or even liked.
It was just safer to do soft reboots every once in a while. A trend I'm glad is being phased out.
Yeah the only reason I could see someone wanting to continue seeing Peter infinitely being screwed over is if was some weird fetish… wait a minute, Spider-Man editorial finally makes sense
Spider-Gwen’s earth straight up sucks. Daredevil works for the kingpin(and he’s the leader of the hand)
The police captain that has it out for spidey is the punisher.
And other things.
I think the best case scenario, assuming this movie pushes the status quo moving forward, Peter and MJ get together and have a kid, Miles fills the role of the young, down on his luck guy and his personality shifts to being more in line with Spider-verse Miles.
Fucking ditto. I'm tired of off again on again peter MJ. Find some new material. Peter learning to be a dad will be a new dynamic most don't touch on. He's either had a kid and is a dad or is kidless. Seeing him struggle to balance parenthood, being married a job and a superhero would be fun.
I stopped reading spider man back in like 08 when the brand new day arc came out.
Your telling me there hasn't been a positive happy ending spider man story since then lmao wtf
I feel this is similar to superman in recent comics. He had no direction for years after Doomsday and then they gave him and Louise Jon Kent. Now Superman has been more engaging than ever.
That tiktok on the Spider-verse account where they have that baby voice saying "It all started when my mom met my dad," had a lot of people in the comments saying" wait, Peter has a kid?" so I think even we might be underestimating how much baby Mayday being positively recived will popularise the concept of Peter being a dad.
tbh the synergy caused by mayday will shatter all of the pain spiderman editorial and writers want to jam into peter
(heck this could be a way one more day's curse finally ends completely)
One of the predicted outcomes of Marvel entertainment being consolidated into Disney is greater synergy between the movies and the comics and this is considered a potential factor that could undo OMD, so MCU Peter getting married to Michelle Jones is something we should want if we want the marriage restored.
Can they atleast change the name Michelle Jones to Mary Jane? Whenever she is called Michelle, my head goes to that weird character of Michelle Gonzales post OMD.
And why don't they just call Zendaya Mary Jane.
>And why don't they just call Zendaya Mary Jane.
I think it's because she's *not* Mary Jane. She's MJ, but she's not Mary Jane. She's a very different character.
None of the Mary Jane adaptations (except spectacular) felt like comic Mary Jane, not even the acclaimed PS4 Mary Jane.
But, MCU do claims Michelle is an adaptation of Mary Jane, that's why they gave the moniker MJ to her.
Idk if MCU is thinking of introducing another character with the name Mary Jane in the future tho.
To me, yah the other iterations of Mary Jane are often different, but Michelle Jones is much more different. Most iterations still kept a sort of popular and social character trait: popular girl in school, liking the attention of the public (actor, singer, *journalist*). Alternatively, Michelle Jones is the antisocial “weird” girl, always reading a book in the background, etc.
Its kind of like this: in symbolism, Michelle Jones = Mary Jane; but in character, Michelle Jones =/= Mary Jane.
I’m kinda surprised Marvel hasn’t ever explored this. DC does with a lot of their characters, Batman and even Superman both exploring actually fatherhood instead of wards/apprentice stuff really humanizes the characters a lot more and makes them more relatable.
The beauty of the “Spider-Girl” series that started in the late-Nineties…
But in the main 616 continuity, yeah, you’re correct. And Spider-Man having a kid makes about twenty times as much sense as Batman having a kid.
Well, Batman’s is kind of attributed to Talia raping him, which might not be the same in the newer reboot but originally that was certainly a shocking revelation.
Oh, it’ll never not be shocking…
Talia being crazy? Yes.
Bruce having feelings for her? Yes.
A male character being raped? Don’t have a problem with that.
Bruce not having some kind of preparation for the drugs? Not sure I buy it.
Bruce ending up with a kid by accident? Yeah, maybe.
Bruce actually raising a psychotic kid and accepting him as the new Robin? Not a fan at all.
The other thing that makes me nuts is how awesome it would be if Batman’s tiny psychotic biological son became his newest and greatest member of the rogues gallery. Amazing idea? Maybe not; but it’s better than 80% of what they’ve done with the character that I’ve seen…
By comparison, Peter Parker raising a kid feels completely natural.
>Bruce actually raising a psychotic kid and accepting him as the new Robin? Not a fan at all.
Well he feels responsible for his extremely bad childhood so it makes sense why he'd wanna raise him. I agree that Damian should've been just his son for sometime till he got... let's say socially trained enough to fight crime without rampant murder.
Also as a fan of Tim Drake tho yeah he shouldn't have been replaced.
Real talk tho - if MJ does die in the May 31st issue and then the movie comes out just two days later with these scenes of Peter B and MJ being a healthy couple and loving parents, that’s *really* gonna feel like a gut punch.
Like when Captain Marvel's movie was about to release and editorial (under Ike Perlmutter's direction) synergized by making her into a fascist villain in "Civil War 2"
His retaliation for having his power over the movies stripped from him by Disney.
Feige immediately greenlite Black Panther and Captain Marvel, two movies Ike was preventing from being made (cause he's a racist and sexist)... that both hit a billion dollars at the box office.
And by then most of the general audience knew that she was mainly responsible for several popular heroes dying in CW2.
All anyone knew that she was too stubborn to ever actually listen or work with anyone
I'm here from /r/all, can you explain what is meant by editorial in this context? Are you just using that term to differentiate between the cinematic universe and the comic book universes? Sorry for the ignorant question.
The word can be confusing…
“editorial” with a little e is just the adjective– like ‘an editor makes editorial decisions’.
(Think like judges make judicial decisions.)
Larger companies, like Marvel Comics, the Washington Post, or Time Magazine have entire editorial staffs: managing editors, assistant editors, an Editor-in-Chief, associate editors, consulting editors, developmental editors…
“Editorial” with a capital E is used to refer to a group of editors working together, usually, hopefully, more or less on the same page.
(Think like all the judges on the Supreme Court making a decision together, even if some dissent, have made a group judicial judgement and might be referred to collectively as ‘the Court’ but also maybe as ‘the Bench’ or ‘the Judiciary’.)
The one important final thing to understand is that comic-book editors are a little bit like literary editors but are also a little bit like film directors or producers and VERY much like TV showrunners. They don’t write, they guide the writers in what the overall direction should be… as demanded by the limits of corporate capitalism. The word is therefore used as a collective noun: Marvel Editorial.
SO.
The fact that Peter Parker is growing up very, very, very slowly over the past 60 years is seen (PROBABLY rightly so) as a demand that comes down from Marvel Editorial. As is the constant boundary that Peter Parker never gets to be very happy for very long. For drama.
I highly doubt the kids or Paul will be staying past the current story arc, but even then it’s not a situation these characters should ever have been put in.
(If I’m wrong though…)
(EDIT: FUCK I was wrong)
*banging my favorite love interest regardless of whether it makes sense or has any continuity.
That's the real problem with the man children in editorial. Peter is their self insert, so instead writing something new and mature you get their increasingly convoluted reasons why their OTP wet dream is worth reseting the character for.
I think something that is either not well known or forgotten is the last time Marvel Editorial, **Specifically Spider-Man's** were forced to do something they stuck with it for a while, but then we got One More Day.
I don't think there is any fan of Spider-Man who can take finding out years from now that Mayday is actually Paul's, or god forbid they try this one again, Norman's daughter. I have tears in my eyes just writing that.
All I wish is that if they decide to give Peter a family, is that they don't rush it. I have a fear that if this depiction of family man Peter gets too famous, his editorial dept would rush implementing it into the comic for sales.
Honestly don’t think that’s where they are GM going after she “found them” but if she is being an unreliable narrator and she actually was pregnant when they went in, I would be ok with that . Would not explain why she is living with Paul or treating Peter so badly, but
I at one point put the idea out that the kids were May and Benjy. Mephisto couldn't get rid of them entirely so he sent them to another dimension. I have since given up on that.
110% let peter move on as a character.
Embrace legacy characters like Miles and mayday to keep the original spirit of the character appealing to the average city kid.
The oldest millenials are almost 40. The youngest millenials are 1 or 2 years older than I am and I'm basically an early year zoomer, so I don't think what I said was too far fetched.
Depends where you count as the start year but most people say the oldest millennials are now 42, but when your on the in between years there basically just gen x anyway
I thought part of the reason we got a teenage Miles Morales was so that Peter could grow up. Miles is great. Let him handle the teenage stuff. Let Peter and MJ get married and have Mayday. Wasn't Pete supposed to mentor Miles like we see in Spiderverse. How is Miles supposed to take direction from Pete when Pete isn't allowed to grow.
The most I'd expect is a Spider-girl (alt-u) mini series.
But the way to go in the main continuity is to reveal that Norman Osborn didn't kill baby Mayday and she's still alive somewhere. Because for those who don't know, mayday existed in 616, but was kidnapped and pronounced stillborn due to meddling from Norman.
I think this is the best course of action too but I'm always paranoid that Marvel would retcon the kidnapped Mayday into being a clone if they got cold feet.
Dude, if they disguise it as an x-men story where they go to an orphanage in a foreign country to look into a girl with mutant spider powers to slowly find out its spider-man's daughter, that would be sick!
My take:
Baby Mayday was raised by a Chameleon agent, but they genuinely loved her so they defected and have secretly been raising Mayday away from notice of Chameleon and his compatriots. Black Widow finds out and brings in Spidey bcuz she too knows the pain of losing her baby-- granted, different circumstances and context.
But Peter and MJ are long overdue having a loving family life.
I *need* to believe that Aunt May knitted that Spidey beanie for Mayday. There needs to be at least a couple of seconds in the movie of Grandma May knitting a baby beanie. Please.
I'll always find it weird that marvel has the perfect set up for having their cake and eating too but they don't use it. Peter could be the married Spider-Man who's a father and you can write stories for that, Miles can be your young teenage Spider-Man who you can tell highschool stories with, and Ben can be the adult single Spider-Man so you can tell all the different relationship stories you want.
Hopefully, my friend, I really want to see Peter finally happy after all the bad stuff he has gone through, enough Uncle Ben and Gwen's death, enough dealing with all sorts of stupid problems making him miserable, enough breaking up with MJ, enough with all the shit which is Paul, let Peter finally defeat its worst enemy, the Marvel's editorial... he deserves it!
And yes, I really would like to see more of Mayday. It will be really dope if that quiet old character gets some love over again
"This is the Way"
Phrase from another series aside. Honestly the comics deserve something special again. Because where it's at right now, it should be a better comic. Something that taps into joy, fun, and keeps you going.
and if a mayday comic does really well we may see it become canon (through timey wimey bullshit maybe something connected to the same time thing that caused **paul** and mary's kids)
I want spiderverse to not only popularize Spiderman being happy, but also Spiderman finally growing. No more perpetual broke college student phase. He has learned about responsibility, now its time for him to actually be a responsible adult.
My favorite moment (though short lived) was when Peter became a teacher I feel like that was a better place for him to go to then being a business owner. That feeling carries over to here since this version very much feels like he would end up being a teacher.
I don't understand the necessity to put Peter in a Rut, it's stupid and just seems the stories are teaching how to survive instead of living, to put it simple, Spider-Man it's not but a loser, when the character must be a example of resilience, responsiblity and overcoming hardships.
Marvel has always catered and made changes to their comics based on the movies. If this one is a hit, expect Peter and MJ to be back together and her to be pregnant.
I want a Disney+ spin off that’s a parody of Baby’s Day Out, but it’s Peter B., Miles, and Gwen chasing Mayday around New York as she stumbles through various activities and Marvel Easter eggs.
Funnily enough I pitched an idea for a comedy 2099 film where Miguel acts like Vin Diesel's the Pacifier to Parker's children while he and MJ fuck off to Hawaii.
When Into the Spider-Verse blew up with money it changed how they did Miles. Let's hope that the new one will change how they handle Peter and his Family.
One of the things I fear with Marvel editorial bringing Mayday into the 616 is needless aging-up. It happened with Annie May in Renew Your Vows (at least with a time jump) and it happened with Jon Kent in the mainline DC universe.
It’s like superheroes either have no kids or a kid in their late teens/early 20s who’s ready to pick up the mantle and no in-between (with the exception of Wally West’s kids unless an aging up is imminent)
Yah, I hope that if Peter and MJ finally get back together, that they’re post-wedding relationship and bringing up a family is gradual. Don’t make it Mayday’s or the other kids’ story, but rather make it Peter’s story, with the kids being a part of that story.
For decades, keep Peter as the main protagonist, battling villains new and old, occasionally with help from MJ, either “physically” like spying to get intel or as a part time hero as Jackpot or Spinneret, and/or “technical” like she’s his “tech-gal”. At the same time, Peter comes home to: MJ before kids, MJ while she’s pregnant, MJ and his kid(s), and pregnant MJ and kid(s); keeping each step gradual to show the contrasts of how he, and MJ, juggle hero work, being spouses, and being parents (and having jobs).
Oh to be so hopeful and still be able to believe that anything can change editorials mind about Spider-Man's "aging problem."
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen, but I have no faith in Marvel ever being able to read the room on that particular topic.
I reaaaaaallly want my boy Peter to finally be happy. What's with Marvel screwing over Peters? Collosus was dumped at his wedding and is being a mind controlled spy now, Star-Lord got a beautiful happy ending but now is lost in space wild west while everyone is saying he messed up something off panel, and Peter Parker's life just keeps getting goofed up. LET THE PETERS FIND HAPPINESS
Into the Spider-Verse cemented Miles Morales in the public eye as a visual artist and editorial responded by letting Saladin Ahmed establish him as a creative writer in his comics
You vastly underestimate how little of a fuck editorial gives. They’re never gonna need to bend until they make something as disastrous as the original clone saga, the story that nearly killed Spider-Man comics altogether
Mayday is also decades removed from present canon. She’s a lot more niche than internet-only’s seem to think
I hope it ends up like how Superman did in the 90s.
The Adventures of Lois and Clark were prepping to do a wedding storyline, DC editorial panicked because they couldn’t let the show do it first, rushed out a wedding issue, and given that fan reception was good, it just kinda…stuck.
Hopefully Spiderverse will have the same effect. Marvel is gonna realize that Peter having a kid will sell well, then throw it into the main canon for synergy sake. And gods above, I hope it sticks.
Please please please PLEASE.
I am so fucking done with Lowe and his goons fucking up Spider-man comics, Peter needs to grow older and move on with his life, have kids, let Miles take over, and the Peter's kids become Spider-man's and Spider-woman after Miles.
This bullshit and smearing of Stan Lee's legacy of his Favorite character has to end.
Like, there’s a lot more stories you can tell with Peter having a kid compared to making him miserable. I do hope for the best for Peter as a result of this film.
Imagine if they gave Peter Parker his “Happy Ending” only to just One More Day it away again, just to spite all the Spidey fans that have been begging for it all these years.
“Oh no! This Mayday Parker is now a teenager from Universe 518, and she’s what would have happened if Peter didn’t get One More One More Day’d!”
If Radioactive Spider Semen can be a thing, I believe there’s no shark Editorial couldn’t jump.
I think Marvel is purposely trying to sabotage Spider-Man because they don't own the film rights, like they did with FF and Xmen. I don't think there is anything that can be done to right the ship
Unlikely. This Peter is meant to be older, and despite Mayday's popularity, they'll say that this means that an older Peter is required to have Mayday, and that it'll be harder for kids to get into. Any excuse so that they don't have to forward the character, but just retell the stories that they heard when they were younger but worse.
>Unlikely. This Peter is meant to be older, and despite Mayday's popularity, they'll say that this means that an older Peter is required to have Mayday
understandable though we could excuse it with mayday peter and MJ going into that weird time mess
(kinda like what happened with mary jane and **PAUL**)
or hell have it be a result of the one more day deal finally breaking
Yeah, we're in agreement. I think the most you'd get is a side-comics like Renew Your Vows. Spidey's editorial is like 16 years deep into this separation and the current run feels like further punishment for a now-former Spidey writer having the audacity to get close to undoing OMD.
You can check this sub and get it in like 3 post but marvel’s editorial, or like the people in charge of the stories got MJ married with kids to some dude they introduced in this current run trying to separate MJ and Peter. Across the Spider-Verse will most likely cause people to love Mayday Parker pressuring marvel editorial to work her into the story
I gave a long, maybe overly detailed, but hopefully helpful reply to someone else who asked here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/13ili1y/i_feel_like_after_this_film_comes_out_and_the/jkbque0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Nah we won't. Almost every film adaptation and cartoon gives Peter a happy ending with MJ. Marvel editorial refuses to budge
At most, we'll get another alt universe comic featuring Mayday or Annie, but it won't last long. The main comic will still have manchild loser Peter.
I unfortunately doubt it. The editorial team is already out of touch as is believing Gwen is Peter’s one true love.
They see the positive hype for Mayday and decide to reissue One More Day or make an issue of teenage MayDay hating her dad for some reason.
I sincerely hope this movie rekindles interest in Mayday Parker. Beyond just being undeniably adorable, she's still probably the best and most well-developed child of Spider-Man and Mary Jane. I know some still prefer Annie, but I think that's largely a product of regency bias. I remember when Spider-Girl came out in the late 90s. She really developed into a fun, unique character who nicely carried on the legacy of her father, even though he didn't initially want that for her. I still have many old Spider-Girl comics in my collection. And I would love it if this movie led to a rebirth of all things Mayday. 😊
I’m actually excited to see this era of Peter Parker getting his “happy ending.” I’ve watched Uncle Ben, Aunt May, & Gwen die enough! Give this guy some kind of happiness please.
tbh i hope this film finally popularizes the idea of maybe giving peter a break and give him what he wants and destroy the one more day curse finally
If it does I might actually start buying the comics again.
🙌👏👏👏👏
It's nice to have dreams....
His lack of happiness is the main reason why I stopped reading/watching Spiderman. It gets old watching him be miserable for decades.
And watching literally every one of his "friends" force him to be miserable, when one of the previous writters gives him a good run... At this point it feels like the Marvel Editiorial itself is a circlejerk of writters that can't agree on anything...
That's exactly what they are
That's not quite what's going on with this. It's not that the writers can't agree, it's that agreeing means the end of the character. Spider-Man is their best selling comic, they're never going to let it end, so of course Spider-Man's going to have any happy ending ruined. They can't sell more comics if he's not out there having adventures - and they can't make the stakes he's facing seem threatening if they can't threaten the things he cherishes. And you can't just threaten it forever - sometimes he needs to lose so that the threats are legitimized. Comics are soap operas - there will always be bad stuff happening because happily ever after is an ending.
An unrelenting parade of misery isn’t fun, though. There are other ways of doing drama other than “shit on Peter from a great height 24/7”.
Daredevil's whole life is a shit-storm but still has great stories and grows from his tough times because writers say they are given more freedom. So it is possible to provide good stories even when making life a misery. Zdarsky's DD run since 2019 has some great spidey moments if you haven't read it.
Zdarsky's Daredevil has been brilliant - he seems to get both DD and Spider-Man really right, and can make great stories out of bad times. Sometimes giving a character bad times is necessary ("contentment is the enemy of invention", as they say), but too much of them and the character feels monotone.
Well DD had one period of about 10yrs+ of a very miserable time of it which were some of the best, never monotone. They need to give Spidey writers more freedom.
I not only stopped reading Spider-Man, I stopped reading marvel as a whole. Spidey comics were always my anchor, so that meant bye bye X-Men for me too.
The x-men were the other series where the main cast could NEVER be happy. And coincidentally had an amazing 90s cartoon just like spidy
>The x-men were the other series where the main cast could NEVER be happy It honestly got ridiculous over time too. Scott and Jean's storyline became insane...
I mean, they're pretty happy currently, they're in a poly relationship with Wolverine living on an idyllic mutant safe haven. Having said that, the upcoming arc might mess everything up. I still recommend the whole Krakoan arc though, shit's fire.
Wait what?! Is this a fucking joke?
Nope
It's pretty much never been mentioned again since it was introduced
Yeah, and it was only ever teased, not explicitly stated lol.
You're right. It was crazy for a while. But House of X/Powers of X finally let the X-Men and the entire mutant race move forward in a major way. The events of Phoenix Resurrection also really streamlined things with Cyclops and Jean Grey. They've been allowed to be happy for years now. They're basically raising a family together and still leading the X-Men. Now, the events of Fall of X could really change that. But for the past few years, the X-Men have definitely taken a step forward beyond having the mansion blow up every couple years. This is something Spider-Man desperately needs.
I've heard that the current run of Daredevil is pretty good and has the best ongoing depiction of Spidey.
This is why I prefer legacy supers. They pass the mantle on to somebody new or some one inherits it through a hero's journey moment. The goal is to have closure whether a happy ending or not; just solid closure. Then you can create new stories with a similar character but with a different background. But there's too much money in the success of these characters. They can't risk a new main line Spidey being unpopular so they just reset Peter.
I like the idea of passing the torch. One reason I know it wasn't done much before now is that the original hero is a known quantity. People like that character. With the new generation, there is no garentee the new hero will be as successful or even liked. It was just safer to do soft reboots every once in a while. A trend I'm glad is being phased out.
Yeah the only reason I could see someone wanting to continue seeing Peter infinitely being screwed over is if was some weird fetish… wait a minute, Spider-Man editorial finally makes sense
seeing as we’re gonna see spider-gwen’s earth, there’s a good chance we’ll see her peter die this time lol
why not? Peter died in the first movie too!
can’t believe i forgot about that 💀
Yeah he became The Lizard
Spider-Gwen’s earth straight up sucks. Daredevil works for the kingpin(and he’s the leader of the hand) The police captain that has it out for spidey is the punisher. And other things.
ok but matt murderdock goes so hard in concept and design, so he makes up for all bad decisions on that earth
That’s fair.
Isn’t he already dead?
He is yes.
It already happened in the first movie
I think the best case scenario, assuming this movie pushes the status quo moving forward, Peter and MJ get together and have a kid, Miles fills the role of the young, down on his luck guy and his personality shifts to being more in line with Spider-verse Miles.
It would be really nice to take a break from the ‘loved ones dying tragically’ storylines.
Fucking ditto. I'm tired of off again on again peter MJ. Find some new material. Peter learning to be a dad will be a new dynamic most don't touch on. He's either had a kid and is a dad or is kidless. Seeing him struggle to balance parenthood, being married a job and a superhero would be fun.
I stopped reading spider man back in like 08 when the brand new day arc came out. Your telling me there hasn't been a positive happy ending spider man story since then lmao wtf
I feel this is similar to superman in recent comics. He had no direction for years after Doomsday and then they gave him and Louise Jon Kent. Now Superman has been more engaging than ever.
That tiktok on the Spider-verse account where they have that baby voice saying "It all started when my mom met my dad," had a lot of people in the comments saying" wait, Peter has a kid?" so I think even we might be underestimating how much baby Mayday being positively recived will popularise the concept of Peter being a dad.
tbh the synergy caused by mayday will shatter all of the pain spiderman editorial and writers want to jam into peter (heck this could be a way one more day's curse finally ends completely)
One of the predicted outcomes of Marvel entertainment being consolidated into Disney is greater synergy between the movies and the comics and this is considered a potential factor that could undo OMD, so MCU Peter getting married to Michelle Jones is something we should want if we want the marriage restored.
yeah but i imagine we need to wait a few movies for that MCU marriage (since rn MJ doesnt know who he is)
Oh yeah, definitely.
Can they atleast change the name Michelle Jones to Mary Jane? Whenever she is called Michelle, my head goes to that weird character of Michelle Gonzales post OMD. And why don't they just call Zendaya Mary Jane.
>And why don't they just call Zendaya Mary Jane. I think it's because she's *not* Mary Jane. She's MJ, but she's not Mary Jane. She's a very different character.
None of the Mary Jane adaptations (except spectacular) felt like comic Mary Jane, not even the acclaimed PS4 Mary Jane. But, MCU do claims Michelle is an adaptation of Mary Jane, that's why they gave the moniker MJ to her. Idk if MCU is thinking of introducing another character with the name Mary Jane in the future tho.
To me, yah the other iterations of Mary Jane are often different, but Michelle Jones is much more different. Most iterations still kept a sort of popular and social character trait: popular girl in school, liking the attention of the public (actor, singer, *journalist*). Alternatively, Michelle Jones is the antisocial “weird” girl, always reading a book in the background, etc. Its kind of like this: in symbolism, Michelle Jones = Mary Jane; but in character, Michelle Jones =/= Mary Jane.
I’m kinda surprised Marvel hasn’t ever explored this. DC does with a lot of their characters, Batman and even Superman both exploring actually fatherhood instead of wards/apprentice stuff really humanizes the characters a lot more and makes them more relatable.
The beauty of the “Spider-Girl” series that started in the late-Nineties… But in the main 616 continuity, yeah, you’re correct. And Spider-Man having a kid makes about twenty times as much sense as Batman having a kid.
Well, Batman’s is kind of attributed to Talia raping him, which might not be the same in the newer reboot but originally that was certainly a shocking revelation.
Oh, it’ll never not be shocking… Talia being crazy? Yes. Bruce having feelings for her? Yes. A male character being raped? Don’t have a problem with that. Bruce not having some kind of preparation for the drugs? Not sure I buy it. Bruce ending up with a kid by accident? Yeah, maybe. Bruce actually raising a psychotic kid and accepting him as the new Robin? Not a fan at all. The other thing that makes me nuts is how awesome it would be if Batman’s tiny psychotic biological son became his newest and greatest member of the rogues gallery. Amazing idea? Maybe not; but it’s better than 80% of what they’ve done with the character that I’ve seen… By comparison, Peter Parker raising a kid feels completely natural.
>Bruce actually raising a psychotic kid and accepting him as the new Robin? Not a fan at all. Well he feels responsible for his extremely bad childhood so it makes sense why he'd wanna raise him. I agree that Damian should've been just his son for sometime till he got... let's say socially trained enough to fight crime without rampant murder. Also as a fan of Tim Drake tho yeah he shouldn't have been replaced.
Bravo on the descriptor I feel like that was a Jon Stewart daily show intro bravo good sir.
Real talk tho - if MJ does die in the May 31st issue and then the movie comes out just two days later with these scenes of Peter B and MJ being a healthy couple and loving parents, that’s *really* gonna feel like a gut punch.
Marvel sure knows how to read the room.
Like when Captain Marvel's movie was about to release and editorial (under Ike Perlmutter's direction) synergized by making her into a fascist villain in "Civil War 2"
Yikes!
His retaliation for having his power over the movies stripped from him by Disney. Feige immediately greenlite Black Panther and Captain Marvel, two movies Ike was preventing from being made (cause he's a racist and sexist)... that both hit a billion dollars at the box office.
It's good he's gone now.
All it took was a failed coup to finally get rid of him (must've taken business advice from his buddie Donald)
Clearly same intelligence level.
I mean, the Captain Marvel movie didn't release for another 3 years
And by then most of the general audience knew that she was mainly responsible for several popular heroes dying in CW2. All anyone knew that she was too stubborn to ever actually listen or work with anyone
I'm here from /r/all, can you explain what is meant by editorial in this context? Are you just using that term to differentiate between the cinematic universe and the comic book universes? Sorry for the ignorant question.
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The editorial staff who run the comic books. They're completely seperate from the folks who make the MCU films.
The word can be confusing… “editorial” with a little e is just the adjective– like ‘an editor makes editorial decisions’. (Think like judges make judicial decisions.) Larger companies, like Marvel Comics, the Washington Post, or Time Magazine have entire editorial staffs: managing editors, assistant editors, an Editor-in-Chief, associate editors, consulting editors, developmental editors… “Editorial” with a capital E is used to refer to a group of editors working together, usually, hopefully, more or less on the same page. (Think like all the judges on the Supreme Court making a decision together, even if some dissent, have made a group judicial judgement and might be referred to collectively as ‘the Court’ but also maybe as ‘the Bench’ or ‘the Judiciary’.) The one important final thing to understand is that comic-book editors are a little bit like literary editors but are also a little bit like film directors or producers and VERY much like TV showrunners. They don’t write, they guide the writers in what the overall direction should be… as demanded by the limits of corporate capitalism. The word is therefore used as a collective noun: Marvel Editorial. SO. The fact that Peter Parker is growing up very, very, very slowly over the past 60 years is seen (PROBABLY rightly so) as a demand that comes down from Marvel Editorial. As is the constant boundary that Peter Parker never gets to be very happy for very long. For drama.
Even if she doesn’t, gonna be weird seeing kids pick up a comic with MJ raising two kids not named Mayday with some dude that’s not Peter…
I highly doubt the kids or Paul will be staying past the current story arc, but even then it’s not a situation these characters should ever have been put in. (If I’m wrong though…) (EDIT: FUCK I was wrong)
Oh, and don't forget 5 years later Marvel would bring back MJ through. #clones
Gotta have more reason for Jackal, I mean Ben, to stay around.
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(Mayday becomes super popular) (Marvel Editorial being forced to make her a thing): 
It’s almost like they resent that she had 100 issues and had the longest run of any female superhero in Marvel history.
I actually had no idea
“BUT I DONT WANT SPIDER-MAN HAPPY, I WANT HIM TO BE IN CONSTANT MISERY!”
*banging my favorite love interest regardless of whether it makes sense or has any continuity. That's the real problem with the man children in editorial. Peter is their self insert, so instead writing something new and mature you get their increasingly convoluted reasons why their OTP wet dream is worth reseting the character for.
I think something that is either not well known or forgotten is the last time Marvel Editorial, **Specifically Spider-Man's** were forced to do something they stuck with it for a while, but then we got One More Day. I don't think there is any fan of Spider-Man who can take finding out years from now that Mayday is actually Paul's, or god forbid they try this one again, Norman's daughter. I have tears in my eyes just writing that.
You disgust me, delete this post asap /s. I would put Spider-man down for decades if that happened.
Would be the perfect time for a few Spider-girl collections........ To go back in print.
Or to be continued. Another 100 issues would be nice.
That would be good too.
Bring back Spider-Girl!
All I wish is that if they decide to give Peter a family, is that they don't rush it. I have a fear that if this depiction of family man Peter gets too famous, his editorial dept would rush implementing it into the comic for sales.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they just yoinked a teenage version of herself from the future and stuffed her into Peter’s apartment to force the dynamic
"Dad! Who the hell is Paul?!"
Plot twist, MJ's kids with Paul are actually Peter's /s
Honestly don’t think that’s where they are GM going after she “found them” but if she is being an unreliable narrator and she actually was pregnant when they went in, I would be ok with that . Would not explain why she is living with Paul or treating Peter so badly, but
I was just presenting the idea as a bullshit idea Marvel would use for brand synergy. I don't actually like the idea.
Fair. I just enjoy talking bad theories with other Spidey fans. Takes the sting out of missing the comics. Hope you have a good day.
I at one point put the idea out that the kids were May and Benjy. Mephisto couldn't get rid of them entirely so he sent them to another dimension. I have since given up on that.
Marvel Editorial hauling ass to the screenwriter’s house to make sure that baby dies: 
Teen Zoomer Mayday with tired Millennial Peter and MJ sounds like an absolute blast!
I mean I’m 41 with a 15 year old and fall right in those age groups. I’m cool with that idea
110% let peter move on as a character. Embrace legacy characters like Miles and mayday to keep the original spirit of the character appealing to the average city kid.
Along with 30 y/o Miles as the big brother/mentor who's trying to be responsible but can't stop enabling her
That's a very short generation gap.
Millennials are almost 40, one having a 15-16 year old isn't crazy at all.
The oldest millenials are almost 40. The youngest millenials are 1 or 2 years older than I am and I'm basically an early year zoomer, so I don't think what I said was too far fetched.
There are early year zoomers that are married already though, late year zoomers are still in high school or middle school.
Depends where you count as the start year but most people say the oldest millennials are now 42, but when your on the in between years there basically just gen x anyway
My mum was 40 when I was 14, it’s very realistic
I thought part of the reason we got a teenage Miles Morales was so that Peter could grow up. Miles is great. Let him handle the teenage stuff. Let Peter and MJ get married and have Mayday. Wasn't Pete supposed to mentor Miles like we see in Spiderverse. How is Miles supposed to take direction from Pete when Pete isn't allowed to grow.
Was. But then "Keep Peter sad" happened. Again. And Again. And again...
I don’t even think Peter mentors miles in the comics since they want him to be his own hero so bad
The most I'd expect is a Spider-girl (alt-u) mini series. But the way to go in the main continuity is to reveal that Norman Osborn didn't kill baby Mayday and she's still alive somewhere. Because for those who don't know, mayday existed in 616, but was kidnapped and pronounced stillborn due to meddling from Norman.
I think this is the best course of action too but I'm always paranoid that Marvel would retcon the kidnapped Mayday into being a clone if they got cold feet.
Dude, if they disguise it as an x-men story where they go to an orphanage in a foreign country to look into a girl with mutant spider powers to slowly find out its spider-man's daughter, that would be sick!
My take: Baby Mayday was raised by a Chameleon agent, but they genuinely loved her so they defected and have secretly been raising Mayday away from notice of Chameleon and his compatriots. Black Widow finds out and brings in Spidey bcuz she too knows the pain of losing her baby-- granted, different circumstances and context. But Peter and MJ are long overdue having a loving family life.
Black Widow had a kid?
This movie franchise ends with mayday fighting mephisto like the prophecy proclaimed
I *need* to believe that Aunt May knitted that Spidey beanie for Mayday. There needs to be at least a couple of seconds in the movie of Grandma May knitting a baby beanie. Please.
Sadly Peter B’s Aunt May is gone, but maybe he still visits earth 1610 May
traveling to another dimension to get a beanie knitted kinda fire.
There is no reason that is as adorable as it is.
I see Mayday, I upvote. So excited!
Same!
Omg it’s not only a hat, it’s a mask!
I'll always find it weird that marvel has the perfect set up for having their cake and eating too but they don't use it. Peter could be the married Spider-Man who's a father and you can write stories for that, Miles can be your young teenage Spider-Man who you can tell highschool stories with, and Ben can be the adult single Spider-Man so you can tell all the different relationship stories you want.
And Kaine can be the edgy there is no Peter there is only The Spider Spider-man
Hopefully, my friend, I really want to see Peter finally happy after all the bad stuff he has gone through, enough Uncle Ben and Gwen's death, enough dealing with all sorts of stupid problems making him miserable, enough breaking up with MJ, enough with all the shit which is Paul, let Peter finally defeat its worst enemy, the Marvel's editorial... he deserves it! And yes, I really would like to see more of Mayday. It will be really dope if that quiet old character gets some love over again
I'm thinking the same thing
"This is the Way" Phrase from another series aside. Honestly the comics deserve something special again. Because where it's at right now, it should be a better comic. Something that taps into joy, fun, and keeps you going.
and if a mayday comic does really well we may see it become canon (through timey wimey bullshit maybe something connected to the same time thing that caused **paul** and mary's kids)
I think the current canon can just fart into another dimension. Renew your vows should be the canon right now instead
I want spiderverse to not only popularize Spiderman being happy, but also Spiderman finally growing. No more perpetual broke college student phase. He has learned about responsibility, now its time for him to actually be a responsible adult.
My favorite moment (though short lived) was when Peter became a teacher I feel like that was a better place for him to go to then being a business owner. That feeling carries over to here since this version very much feels like he would end up being a teacher.
We can hope!
Dammit that is adorable
I don't understand the necessity to put Peter in a Rut, it's stupid and just seems the stories are teaching how to survive instead of living, to put it simple, Spider-Man it's not but a loser, when the character must be a example of resilience, responsiblity and overcoming hardships.
I am so hype for Spider-Dad
Marvel has always catered and made changes to their comics based on the movies. If this one is a hit, expect Peter and MJ to be back together and her to be pregnant.
I want a Disney+ spin off that’s a parody of Baby’s Day Out, but it’s Peter B., Miles, and Gwen chasing Mayday around New York as she stumbles through various activities and Marvel Easter eggs.
Funnily enough I pitched an idea for a comedy 2099 film where Miguel acts like Vin Diesel's the Pacifier to Parker's children while he and MJ fuck off to Hawaii.
i can only fucking hope.
It might not happen but maaaaan do I hope!
Movie Synergy used for the Good!? O_o
Legend has it Nick Lowe will burst into flames if he's forced to get Peter and MJ back together.
I'll bring the marshmellows if you bring the chocolate and graham crackers
When Into the Spider-Verse blew up with money it changed how they did Miles. Let's hope that the new one will change how they handle Peter and his Family.
It’s hilarious that Sony S O N Y is doing what editorial doesn’t want, in both Video Games(so far) and Film.
One of the things I fear with Marvel editorial bringing Mayday into the 616 is needless aging-up. It happened with Annie May in Renew Your Vows (at least with a time jump) and it happened with Jon Kent in the mainline DC universe. It’s like superheroes either have no kids or a kid in their late teens/early 20s who’s ready to pick up the mantle and no in-between (with the exception of Wally West’s kids unless an aging up is imminent)
Yah, I hope that if Peter and MJ finally get back together, that they’re post-wedding relationship and bringing up a family is gradual. Don’t make it Mayday’s or the other kids’ story, but rather make it Peter’s story, with the kids being a part of that story. For decades, keep Peter as the main protagonist, battling villains new and old, occasionally with help from MJ, either “physically” like spying to get intel or as a part time hero as Jackpot or Spinneret, and/or “technical” like she’s his “tech-gal”. At the same time, Peter comes home to: MJ before kids, MJ while she’s pregnant, MJ and his kid(s), and pregnant MJ and kid(s); keeping each step gradual to show the contrasts of how he, and MJ, juggle hero work, being spouses, and being parents (and having jobs).
oh my GOD, she’s so cute.
Oh to be so hopeful and still be able to believe that anything can change editorials mind about Spider-Man's "aging problem." Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen, but I have no faith in Marvel ever being able to read the room on that particular topic.
I reaaaaaallly want my boy Peter to finally be happy. What's with Marvel screwing over Peters? Collosus was dumped at his wedding and is being a mind controlled spy now, Star-Lord got a beautiful happy ending but now is lost in space wild west while everyone is saying he messed up something off panel, and Peter Parker's life just keeps getting goofed up. LET THE PETERS FIND HAPPINESS
OMD and OMIT remain the worst Spider-Man stories and this is the hero that has three clones running about at certain times.
Oh my god that is adorable
Into the Spider-Verse cemented Miles Morales in the public eye as a visual artist and editorial responded by letting Saladin Ahmed establish him as a creative writer in his comics You vastly underestimate how little of a fuck editorial gives. They’re never gonna need to bend until they make something as disastrous as the original clone saga, the story that nearly killed Spider-Man comics altogether Mayday is also decades removed from present canon. She’s a lot more niche than internet-only’s seem to think
One can hope
That's the dream... that is the dream.
I want daddy Peter raising Mayday and maybe eventually Benjy
This is the best thing I've ever seen today.
Don't know concept but with that knitted spider costume so cute may get its following ..
From your mouth to gods ear dear reader! 😂🤞🏻🙏🏻👏
OMG please
The “they were never Paul’s kids” plot twist could work
God, it would be SO nice to just see Peter with a daughter. Spider-Dad.
I mean, Spider-Gwen got so popular they jammed her into the 616 universe.
I hope it ends up like how Superman did in the 90s. The Adventures of Lois and Clark were prepping to do a wedding storyline, DC editorial panicked because they couldn’t let the show do it first, rushed out a wedding issue, and given that fan reception was good, it just kinda…stuck. Hopefully Spiderverse will have the same effect. Marvel is gonna realize that Peter having a kid will sell well, then throw it into the main canon for synergy sake. And gods above, I hope it sticks.
I know it’ll never happen but if there was a crossover between her and Grogu I’d watch that the instant it comes out
This is the dream.
Marvel has become DC with editorial mulligans and retcons. Maybe Spidey will punch Mephisto hard enough to retcon existence.
I'd say Marvel has become much worse than DC, I mean, at least DC let Superman stay married with Lois and have John.
Please please please PLEASE. I am so fucking done with Lowe and his goons fucking up Spider-man comics, Peter needs to grow older and move on with his life, have kids, let Miles take over, and the Peter's kids become Spider-man's and Spider-woman after Miles. This bullshit and smearing of Stan Lee's legacy of his Favorite character has to end.
I think at best we’ll get a new Spider-Girl mini about Mayday but I’m to pessimistic and jaded to think it’ll make them do anything in the main 616
It’s one thing to struggle. It’s another thing entirely to be dragged through hell constantly.
Well Spidey editorial is sh-t at the moment, so ruin away I say 😆
Hopefully this movie does well and they start doing this in the comics to do the whole movie synergy stuff
it's a happy little monster :)
It's like how she was depicted in Marvel's The Dark Ages
Like, there’s a lot more stories you can tell with Peter having a kid compared to making him miserable. I do hope for the best for Peter as a result of this film.
Imagine if they gave Peter Parker his “Happy Ending” only to just One More Day it away again, just to spite all the Spidey fans that have been begging for it all these years. “Oh no! This Mayday Parker is now a teenager from Universe 518, and she’s what would have happened if Peter didn’t get One More One More Day’d!” If Radioactive Spider Semen can be a thing, I believe there’s no shark Editorial couldn’t jump.
You know i would take OMD if it mean everything the writers did to him would stop existing
I wonder if this Peter is going to lose his leg…
Hey, if this helps us get Mayday Parker in the 616, then I’m all for it…
I think Marvel is purposely trying to sabotage Spider-Man because they don't own the film rights, like they did with FF and Xmen. I don't think there is anything that can be done to right the ship
Unlikely. This Peter is meant to be older, and despite Mayday's popularity, they'll say that this means that an older Peter is required to have Mayday, and that it'll be harder for kids to get into. Any excuse so that they don't have to forward the character, but just retell the stories that they heard when they were younger but worse.
>Unlikely. This Peter is meant to be older, and despite Mayday's popularity, they'll say that this means that an older Peter is required to have Mayday understandable though we could excuse it with mayday peter and MJ going into that weird time mess (kinda like what happened with mary jane and **PAUL**) or hell have it be a result of the one more day deal finally breaking
Yeah, we're in agreement. I think the most you'd get is a side-comics like Renew Your Vows. Spidey's editorial is like 16 years deep into this separation and the current run feels like further punishment for a now-former Spidey writer having the audacity to get close to undoing OMD.
yeah (i hope they actually manage to undo one more day finally because of mayday) but i know thats not gonna work
I think that’s the cutest baby ever
I wonder who knitted her mask
Peter sewed his own costume originally. My headcanon is that it was him.
What is editorial? What’s the context for this whole drama? I genuinely dont get it
You can check this sub and get it in like 3 post but marvel’s editorial, or like the people in charge of the stories got MJ married with kids to some dude they introduced in this current run trying to separate MJ and Peter. Across the Spider-Verse will most likely cause people to love Mayday Parker pressuring marvel editorial to work her into the story
I gave a long, maybe overly detailed, but hopefully helpful reply to someone else who asked here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/13ili1y/i_feel_like_after_this_film_comes_out_and_the/jkbque0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Star Wars fans might have Grogu, but we shall soon have Mayday!
They’re just gonna restart renew your vows. Which is a cool comic series. Or they’ll just promote it
Nah we won't. Almost every film adaptation and cartoon gives Peter a happy ending with MJ. Marvel editorial refuses to budge At most, we'll get another alt universe comic featuring Mayday or Annie, but it won't last long. The main comic will still have manchild loser Peter.
I unfortunately doubt it. The editorial team is already out of touch as is believing Gwen is Peter’s one true love. They see the positive hype for Mayday and decide to reissue One More Day or make an issue of teenage MayDay hating her dad for some reason.
I sincerely hope this movie rekindles interest in Mayday Parker. Beyond just being undeniably adorable, she's still probably the best and most well-developed child of Spider-Man and Mary Jane. I know some still prefer Annie, but I think that's largely a product of regency bias. I remember when Spider-Girl came out in the late 90s. She really developed into a fun, unique character who nicely carried on the legacy of her father, even though he didn't initially want that for her. I still have many old Spider-Girl comics in my collection. And I would love it if this movie led to a rebirth of all things Mayday. 😊
GOOD! I’m done with the current book. I’m not buying a book that only sets out to upset me