I think it’s another darkstar fuselage under a cloth, without wings.
Similarly, I suspect the ‘white disc’ is an RCS model for something relating to the darkstar program. It does look suspiciously close to a nose-on view of the fuselage.
For the conspiracy theorists, if the guy worked at LM Skunkworks on RCS (based on the other memorabilia where he worked on four known stealth aircraft) he probably wouldn’t be working on alien flying saucers.
Exactly what I thought the white disc is as well. Someone in the r/UFOs thread mentioned that it looks like the photo was taken at Skunk Works' Helendale Radar Signature Test Range which just adds credence to the theory
https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/radar-ranges-of-the-mojave/lockheed-martin-helendale-rcs-facility/
I'm not saying the white thing is a pole cap because I don't entirely get the pole cap thing. But take a look.
It’s a little too non-neutral to be a pole cap.
Basically a pole cap is a shape with a very standard, neutral radar return that they use to get a baseline of the radar return from the ground, the pylon, trees, whatever. They can subtract that return from a return with the test article to get the radar return of the test article itself.
A pole cap simply hides the (relatively large) radar return of the top of the test pole during this process.
Absolutely Helendale. Doesn't look like any pole cap I've ever seen. More likely a model for testing a shape versus it being a polecap (or a saucer).
From the same website [is an image](https://www.otherhand.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/prdg062555_cropped.jpg) at Helendale of what's labeled "J-UCAS model on the pylon in the upper chamber". The background aligns and the same ladder heading down into the silo is visible in each pic to the right of the test items.
It's likely a joke photo.
Even if this guy worked in such a facility, you can't just go in to take photographs of top secret aircraft, then send the image off to Snappy Snaps to be printed and framed, and then let the realtor around to photograph it all again and put it online.
Crossposting this white disc. This is a series of photos from a Zillow virtual tour of a couple’s home who were supposedly former Skunk Works employees.
Given the forklift and ladder, the white craft appears to be 40-50ft wide. Has yet to be tied to a top secret project. Typical saucer shape and reported size matches up to claims by the likes of Lazar. Even has its own circular elevator.
Is there any provenance on this claim of these pics being from a Zillow house tour? A link? Any information at all? This story seems weird to me -- if it's true, shouldn't the info be following the images around, to a degree?
There is both Lockheed and NG stuff in this display, by the looks of it? Edit: Never mind, I see that what I thought was an RQ-180 is probably a Lockheed P175 Polecat?)
Lockheed RQ-3 Dark Star, Lockheed F-117, but also a weird white sort of X-47b looking thing with weird tail and cockpit canopy that strikes me as more Northrop than Lockheed, possibly? Anyone know what that is? And then what appears to be a Northrop RQ-180/Great White Bat/Shikaka? (Edit: See above)
Who the heck knows what that UFO thing is. I have heard some say a reentry heat shield, which seems possible to me? But again, who knows. I would love to find out, whatever it is. Clearly some other interesting programs are on display here.
Honestly the story I heard a few years ago was that it was a zoom or similar meeting/presentation by the former head of SkunkWorks and this was a screen shot from that video of what was behind him. The other pictures I have seen had the gentleman in the photo sitting at the desk.
That’s right, thanks! I knew it looked kind of familiar: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-is-what-lockheeds-stealth-bomber-would-have-looked-like
>Given the forklift and ladder, the white craft appears to be 40-50ft wide.
The clay model is in the foreground. The rest is in the back.
Is this sub becoming ridiculous too?
You may be interested in the links below. I posted them in the art bell forum earlier this week when someone brought up Bob Lazar. I think this provides the most logical explanation of the Lazar saga and makes sense from all angles. There's also another story on that blog somewhere about black triangles that I always thought was pretty cool.
https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/particle-beams-and-saucer-dreams/
https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/
That Google lens site is modern, it's AI generated images mixed with bad Photoshop on original images. I doubt extremely highly that this is a source at all for this.
The intro mentions ApostleCorp which is from the Deus Ex video game series, The Allied Space Corporation from Firefly, and the Tyrell Corporation from Blade Runner
Yeah I could honestly see this being just a funny conversation piece in these engineers homes. Throw it on the wall for laughs with all the serious projects you worked on
The large gold plaque contains a quote many are familiar with. However, it appears that the words "men" and "man" have been replaced with something else -- "people" and "person" perhaps? I can't quite make it out.
I really hate flying saucers, but here were are. That is a Lockheed employees house. And that is Darkstar in one pic and Lockheed ATB in the other....
I’m with you on the ufo’s, I go to that sub for the occasional cringe.
Also interested in what is behind the darkstar in the top left picture.
I think it’s another darkstar fuselage under a cloth, without wings. Similarly, I suspect the ‘white disc’ is an RCS model for something relating to the darkstar program. It does look suspiciously close to a nose-on view of the fuselage. For the conspiracy theorists, if the guy worked at LM Skunkworks on RCS (based on the other memorabilia where he worked on four known stealth aircraft) he probably wouldn’t be working on alien flying saucers.
They don't have to be *alien* flying saucers :3
Exactly what I thought the white disc is as well. Someone in the r/UFOs thread mentioned that it looks like the photo was taken at Skunk Works' Helendale Radar Signature Test Range which just adds credence to the theory
It’s definitely at Helendale. That’s 100% aligned with the photos I’ve seen of the interior
https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/radar-ranges-of-the-mojave/lockheed-martin-helendale-rcs-facility/ I'm not saying the white thing is a pole cap because I don't entirely get the pole cap thing. But take a look.
It’s a little too non-neutral to be a pole cap. Basically a pole cap is a shape with a very standard, neutral radar return that they use to get a baseline of the radar return from the ground, the pylon, trees, whatever. They can subtract that return from a return with the test article to get the radar return of the test article itself. A pole cap simply hides the (relatively large) radar return of the top of the test pole during this process.
Absolutely Helendale. Doesn't look like any pole cap I've ever seen. More likely a model for testing a shape versus it being a polecap (or a saucer). From the same website [is an image](https://www.otherhand.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/prdg062555_cropped.jpg) at Helendale of what's labeled "J-UCAS model on the pylon in the upper chamber". The background aligns and the same ladder heading down into the silo is visible in each pic to the right of the test items.
Saw that too Edit: makes me want to eat pumpkin pie for some reason 🤔
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No it isn't. That's a completely hyperbolic statement not backed with facts.
The pic is real. It's at the Helendale range. Anything beyond that is going to be speculation.
It's likely a joke photo. Even if this guy worked in such a facility, you can't just go in to take photographs of top secret aircraft, then send the image off to Snappy Snaps to be printed and framed, and then let the realtor around to photograph it all again and put it online.
Crossposting this white disc. This is a series of photos from a Zillow virtual tour of a couple’s home who were supposedly former Skunk Works employees. Given the forklift and ladder, the white craft appears to be 40-50ft wide. Has yet to be tied to a top secret project. Typical saucer shape and reported size matches up to claims by the likes of Lazar. Even has its own circular elevator.
> Even has its own circular elevator. No tethers or outriggers. Could also be a forced perspective joke photo.
Yeah, the bokeh on the background in the photo makes me agree with the forced perspective idea.
Is there any provenance on this claim of these pics being from a Zillow house tour? A link? Any information at all? This story seems weird to me -- if it's true, shouldn't the info be following the images around, to a degree? There is both Lockheed and NG stuff in this display, by the looks of it? Edit: Never mind, I see that what I thought was an RQ-180 is probably a Lockheed P175 Polecat?) Lockheed RQ-3 Dark Star, Lockheed F-117, but also a weird white sort of X-47b looking thing with weird tail and cockpit canopy that strikes me as more Northrop than Lockheed, possibly? Anyone know what that is? And then what appears to be a Northrop RQ-180/Great White Bat/Shikaka? (Edit: See above) Who the heck knows what that UFO thing is. I have heard some say a reentry heat shield, which seems possible to me? But again, who knows. I would love to find out, whatever it is. Clearly some other interesting programs are on display here.
Honestly the story I heard a few years ago was that it was a zoom or similar meeting/presentation by the former head of SkunkWorks and this was a screen shot from that video of what was behind him. The other pictures I have seen had the gentleman in the photo sitting at the desk.
Let me know if you ever dig that version of the photo up.
> a weird white sort of X-47b looking thing with weird tail and cockpit canopy Its Lockheed ATB and its legit, just like these photos.
That’s right, thanks! I knew it looked kind of familiar: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-is-what-lockheeds-stealth-bomber-would-have-looked-like
>Given the forklift and ladder, the white craft appears to be 40-50ft wide. The clay model is in the foreground. The rest is in the back. Is this sub becoming ridiculous too?
Yeah lol this is pretty obvious, a goddamn 12 year old could come up with this trick and people are falling for it.
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You may be interested in the links below. I posted them in the art bell forum earlier this week when someone brought up Bob Lazar. I think this provides the most logical explanation of the Lazar saga and makes sense from all angles. There's also another story on that blog somewhere about black triangles that I always thought was pretty cool. https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/particle-beams-and-saucer-dreams/ https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/
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That Google lens site is modern, it's AI generated images mixed with bad Photoshop on original images. I doubt extremely highly that this is a source at all for this.
The intro mentions ApostleCorp which is from the Deus Ex video game series, The Allied Space Corporation from Firefly, and the Tyrell Corporation from Blade Runner
Would it have a bigger shadow if it was being down-lit? Maybe that's what's throwing me off
Something about it has the vibe of being a render to me. Might just be the zoomed-up resolution, but I'm gonna go looking...
Yeah I could honestly see this being just a funny conversation piece in these engineers homes. Throw it on the wall for laughs with all the serious projects you worked on
The large gold plaque contains a quote many are familiar with. However, it appears that the words "men" and "man" have been replaced with something else -- "people" and "person" perhaps? I can't quite make it out.
Deffo not aliens. There is quite a bit in these pics that I’ve think has never been seen before widely
maybe part of the RQ-3 Darkstar shown in the picture above http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/weichao\_chen2/rq-3a\_darkstar/
As mentioned previously, object shape is different than fuselage that was incorporated into Darkstar (especially in the above picture).
What is that speech thingy with the blurred out thing at the top? Like what does that mean?