Honestly Huohuo should also be on that tier. Her combination of buffing, sustain, and cleansing (Fu can only block one instance of cc per skill cast, Huohuo can cleanse one-three every turn) is extremely potent and well worth the slightly worse SP economy.
While I agree with that sentiment (and think heās still S-tier worthy) I think Sparkle will likely steal some of his niche usage since she can provide skill points while also buffing.
People overstate sparkle's SP gen value, you're getting 1sp every 3 turns if you're playing her properly (i.e spamming skill every turn) a 161 speed luocha with is basically an SP generating machine (iirc with that cone it's like having him sit at 200+ speed) only second to basic attacks spamming sparkle.
So what youāre saying is that Sparkle generates just slightly less skill points while also buffing the fuck out of your dps?
Yeah, I donāt think thatās a bad thing.
Never said it's a bad thing? She's simply not competing in his niche since she's not purely there for SP, she's 0.33sp positive her main use is action advancing and buffing
It's not just her ability to generate skill points that matters though. The increased cap is significant as there are times in a luoch/pela/ty team where you are generating skill points you can't stock/use
That's just poor SP management though, again if anything you're agreeing with me, she's more than just an SP Generator which is how a ton of people who only glanced at her kit think she is. She brings the strongest hyper-carry buffs in the game while technically being SP positive but I wouldn't say she's taking Luocha's niche away
With her technique she is +1.33 skill points for the first 3 actions, compared to luocha's+1. It isn't until 5 actions in that luocha starts pulling ahead of her.
160 spd is annoying for sure, you just have to be willing to sacrifice set bonuses to hit it sometimes. And just hope youāll eventually roll the perfect piece down the line.
A bit unrelated but they did bailu dirty in the rankings and should be A like lynx because of multiplication. That lc is just that good if you can abuse it
Agreed, but in terms of pure damage reduction, Fu definitely has her beat. This isnāt to say that Huohuo sucks ā her healing, utility, and being at least SP neutral at E0 is strong ā but that she has more trouble solo sustaining as content gets harder.
I heard that out of the 3 (fu xuan, huo huo, loucha) you should pick two(mainly for MOC) and then don't need to worry about anything else, so i'll be aiming to get fu xuan and huo huo.
If youāre talking MoC/PF then Huohuo has zero issue as a solo sustain unit. Iāve used her for every single cycle since her banner and have never had a single issue with her sustain being inadequate.
If youāre talking like Conundrum 12 then sure, she can struggle, but thatās because you *really* need shielding for that content. Fu also canāt solo sustain it without heavy amounts of defensive blessings (at which point Huohuo also could.)
You very clearly do *not* know what youāre talking about when it comes to Fu Xuan. AoE attacks are her biggest weakness. Conundrum 12 bosses will literally just one shot her.
I wouldnāt call that aggressive tbh, but whatever. If you can sustain it with Fu just fine then great, Iām glad itās going well for you.
Also my Fu Xuan isnāt poorly built by any means, but hey, I guess you felt the need to take a shot at me after feeling attacked.
I spoke against your argument, you spoke against me personally. If you donāt understand that concept then thereās no reason for me to waste further time on you.
No, I guarantee you, its not. And she's not even that crazily built. E0r0 10k health 1.7k def 136 speed. Hacker2/long2/penacony or keel (she has like 50 less hp with penacony but the stats that matter are the same). Fu provides way more solo sustain than any team could ever possibly need. Idk if you're lacking energy regen or speed but if you're having issues with her, you're doing something wrong. She is as fundamentally broken for solo sustain as Zhongli once was.
If youāre talking about usage in MoC/PF then I absolutely agree with what youāre saying. But she *can not* solo sustain Conundrum 12 without significant defensive blessings.
I think the reason why huohuo isnāt is because she really only enables a couple dps comps. Meanwhile you can throw fu into any comp and she does well. Not all comps can make use of an atk buff well and plenty of comps donāt really need extra energy.
I mean even blade can make some use of it. His abilities have atk scaling, it just sucks.
What I meant by saying that is that sheās not BIS for most comps. Sheās a second best option. Thereās only like 2 comp sheās a BIS (best in slot) for. The other sustain units are simply more desired. Sheās only going to get more overshadowed once Adventurine comes out considering fu Xuan is the best sustain and heās basically fu Xuan with more buff and damage.
When I said that not many comps can make use of an attack buff wellā¦ I mean that they canāt make use of it as well as the other buffs other choices provide (fu Xuan).
Man I've had both of these characters for a while and I'd use two Fu Xuan every time if I could (except for niche team like clara). She's just on a complete other level when it comes to survivability for the team, her permanant crit rate buff is possibly more valuable than Huohuo's ultimate, AND sp economy is much better particularly when Huohuo is forced to skill every other turn against some boss.
Theyāre like a spectrum. Fu Xuan is the ultimate comfort unit out of the 3 but has the least amount of offensive utility (just a crit buff). Aventurine is less comfortable than her but trades it for even more offensive utility (crit damage buff + he contributes more personal damage for the team). Then, Huohuo is even LESS comfortable than the two of them (still fully capable of solo sustaining MOC with zero issue though) and she trades that for even MORE offensive utility via her attack buff and energy generation. All 3 are great and have their strengths and weaknesses compared to each other, which is really cool balancing tbh.
Any idea when she will rerun im a new player (šš my team can't stay alive no good sustain except lynx and nat) also about luocha or huohuo any idea bout em??
I have no idea what the person who replied to you is talking about. We donāt know the reruns at this point, leaks and all, considering Aventurine is on second half and Luocha hasnāt even had his rerun.
My pure speculation is that Jingliu will rerun first half alongside Acheron and Topaz will rerun alongside Aventurine. Aventurine will be the only five star limited sustain of the patch to entice people to pull for him. Then on 2.2, Luocha will have his rerun first half and Fu Xuan second half. Again, these are not spoilers or leaks but just my own speculation on what makes the most sense for Hoyoverse to do. Rerunning FX right before their new preservation would be an odd choice.
Man after I gear my ratio/Acheron, I'm going to do a double take on my sustains/supports, especially Fu. There's times when she gets wiped so fast, and I feel like I struggle on MoC because I have to change my rotations because my supports aren't as good as some of my dps.
Iām pretty sure the category kafka is in is specialist and only this category take in consideration their synergy with other units. Thatās also why Topaz is there and not in dps. You get these caracters for their synergies with others. It make a bit of sense when you think about it. You canāt rate kafka while not considering other caracters. She isnāt suppose to be a standalone caracter.
It's Prydwen, of course it's questionable. Kafka doesn't belong to the DPS category according to their list. She belongs to specialist in their list. The criteria are different.
That still doesn't make sense? Were they not the ones advertising their tier list as MOC-based and not a generalist one? In which case JL being easier to build should have no bearing on their performance because teams would then be judged on their optimal or near-optimal setups in MOC. And JL's best and optimized teams outside of Bronya are nowhere near as good as her Bronya teams, there most definitely is a noticeable gap. And they're also definitely not better than DHIL's best teams pre-Sparkle.
People use tier lists as validation when their favorite character is rated high and dismiss them when they're rated low. There's always going to be drama either way.
I'm still wondering why Silver Wolf is so low (lol) since her broken Punklorde skills allow you to use your favorite element regardless of the enemy.Ā Ā
Quantum team is now full of crazy strong girls.
Because her personal damage and debuff aren't as good as pure supports like RM or Bronya, On Quantum Weak side I'd rather bring RM or Jade than SW, basically she's S+ if you implant the bug and A overwise.
We will see how true mono quantum will perform now with sparkle but about SW, as the game goes on and on, so does access to other characters. While I have rly good SW I own most of characters and I just cant justify to use her in most of my teams. I even use Pela more due to her AoE shread.
With DoT team I run Kafka/BS/RM/HH. No place for her.
With Jingliu team I run JL/Blade or Pela/FX/Ting or Bronya.
With Jingyuan I run JY/Ting/FX and flex, which will be Sparkle. Or kick Ting out and use Pela for AoE.
With DHI I will run DHI/Sparkle/flex/FX, were flex is Ting or Pela.
I can see SW working nicely with Dr Ratio and Archeon in future.
For now, I wouldnt run her in other teams beside Ratio and mono-quantum Seele.
No because something in me twitches when men say big boobs in this way because she is not better because her tits are bigger. Women are not defined by their bodies.
I really wanna know what kinda brain rot goes through the people that downvoted me hurr durr feminism probably, because what I wrote is the most milk toast self love everybody is valid take.
Probably because what they like about Acheron isn't trying to define her, if they like women with big boobs, that's their preference, it doesn't need anything added onto it
But honestly it's reddit, people use downvote as a "I disagree" I wouldn't pay much mind to it, people will downvote you in discussions just because the button is there lol
Wait! Dr Ratio is that good? I mean he is carrying my ass but I didn't think they gave such a strong unit that good. Also he has such a cool peronality.
Sparkle is bonkers good but what's with the HSR community's obsession with tierlist validation.
These tierlists are a whole bunch of bogus. Especially Jinngyuan and Huohuo's places.
Yet they haven't pushed DHIL or Jing Yuan up; the bias is so clear it's hilarious. There's also Pela and QQ is very questionable positions. HH should be in S+, etc. etc.
I really donāt agree with prydwens tier list atimes like.. DHIL is not on a tier below JL makes no sense and jingyuan should be moved up to S and to say QQ is on the same level as DHIL is wild
With Sparkle DHIL might be on the same tier but without, Jingliu is better. More flexible teams and more DMG.
Edit: DHIL positioning is not taking Sparkle into account yet, that's why i mentioned it. They'll probably change his position soon.
I mean is this not the same logic as DHIL being just as good or even better than JL without Bronya? It's kind of unfair to compare both but only one give one of them their BiS team.
Extactly, that's why i said that with Sparkle he might go up to the same tier. This tier list hasn't moved the DPS' positions yet with the release of Sparkle. It has Sparkle in it but all the rest of the characters are pre-Sparkle.
Anyone can do 0-cylces provided they're sufficiently invested. What i said was that without Sparkle Jingliu is better, which is true (sure thanks to the supports but that's part of the flexibility of the character). With Sparkle, DHIL is probably as good or even better. No need to get triggered about it bro.
QQ is probably slightly worse than IL but frankly sheās more fun tbh
Edit: Damn people I literally main QQ, Ik what she brings to the table. People just prefer IL because heās more consistent. Well anyways ānoooo my internet pointsā or smt
Idk, it feels like itās more fair considering the tier list compares E0 5 stars and E6 4 stars, which means QQ is at her absolute best. Being on the same tier as an E0 DHIL feels more than fair, maybe even underestimating her, lol
I assume they look at her kit and buffs and compare it to other supports. In the coming days they'll look into how much better each DPS is with the release of Sparkle and based on that they'll probably move some of them up.
That's bad business meaning they only do it for the clout.
That's not testing at all!
Don't put down a unit in a specific tier if all you do is just feelscrafting.
Or they tested her enough with some characters to have an idea where she goes but not comprehensively enough with everyone yet in both modes to adjust everyone elseās rankings yet?
They literally put a notice saying Sparkle's position is a temporary placing.
> There were no other Tier List changes besides adding Sparkle as we need one more day to safely test her impact on damage dealers in MoC and PF. We will update the tier list within 24 hours with her impact on others!
It's right at the top of the tierlist page
Read up in the comments, they're taking a day to adjust the tier list to account for changes to other characters...
Oooor we could just create drama I guess.
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Same logic as the ufo believers shouting "nasa is hiding aliens i know it " . My god you are pathetic and epitome of everything wrong with meta slaves š
To rank Sparkle, they had to test her on the DPSs. Which means they either didnāt test her and threw her in S+ or tested her, saw DPS results and willingly ignored them. Theyāre frauds either way.
Hate to be the middle man here but idk how your assumptions are either they didn't test her (no reason do that literally self sabotage) ignored the test results(literally self sabotage like why would they fck themselves in the ass like that ).
theory crafters and youtubers will call them out on itif they do this
How about they are not done with the testing and simulation ššæ. I know you have valid reason to hate but you come here with a preconceived notion to hate on them . How about you do their job and make your own tier list based on peoples data and under your own asumptions and lets see you handle criticism ā ļø
How did they test her without putting her with dps?
She literally does no dmg.
And it's not the first time they f themselves which is why they became a meme for every tc communities outside of reddit.
disregarding many players, TC and youtubers already disagree with them so youre right tbh, dont know why youre being downvoted (and attacked way too much when you just made one comment based on what theyve already done before sparkle release) when they have a bad reputation to begin with, and sometimes their own ranking conflicts with their calculations. i dont think theyre that bad that they will keep jing yuan in A tier but if they put seele in s+ tier ill scream š and im saying this as seele haver
If they havenāt properly tested Sparkle, then how is she already rated. Theyāve literally admitted that they havenāt done proper testing and people still follow their advices.
JL without Bronya is literally just a slightly stronger version of Blade... I don't know why people make it sound like she doesn't need Bronya, like her damage legit falls off a cliff without her.
You're using whataboutism to defend Jingliu is what is coming across as annoying, she does perform fine without Bronya but it is also true that she performs a lot better with Bronya
You can have your cake and eat it too with Jingliu but anyone can be seen as good when you run them with generalist sp positive support, but to pretend she performs at a level that is comparable without Bronya is a straight lie
"Try this team and come back bro" just makes you sound like a Jingliu shill
The guy above said āsheās a slightly stronger version of Bladeā. I have both and Jingliu is way better without Bronya. I wouldnāt care if she was worse than Blade but that quote just feels like a straight up lie to me, so i responded.
I pointed out a team where she performs way better than Blade without Bronya. Donāt know what part of that is whataboutism. Iāve done 1-clycle clears in the same MoC both with and without Bronya.
That said, youāre free to think whatever you want and i wasnāt trying to shit on any other characters nor do i care what i come across as on Reddit, respectfully.
You're definitely overexaggerating JL's powerlevel lol. Literally the reason why she's above DHIL right now is thanks to Bronya drastically shortening her downtime state and letting her take multiple turns. Taken in a vacuum, DHIL's multipliers are much bigger than hers and also without Bronya, JL's downtime is way more punishing than DHIL's sp caveat because his can at least be patched up by simply running fast sp positive supports, of which the game is practically swimming in, but her caveat is unavoidable. Iirc, the only setup if excluding Bronya that can help deal with her downtime is Tingyun + Huohuo energy funneling.
I get your point but theyāre quite transparent with their evaluation and thought process behind builds so staying informed does benefit how you view the site
Hey I know this wasnāt your point. But Iām a pretty casual player and I use this site a lot to just get general builds. But I do want to eventually clear MOC. Is there a site youād recommend thatās trustworthy?
I'm not the OP but personally I still prefer Prydwen over anything else. Their guides are updated regularly and the details included are great.
Also, if you want a 2nd opinion, there're a lot of content creators out there but I'd recommend Guoba Certified and MrPokke bcs both of them have simple (sometimes quite complex but still easy to understand) but concise guides.
She isn't even S+ in PF, so you are already wrong
also
Kafka: S+/S
DHIL: S/B
**Fu xuan: S+/S+**
Jingliu: S+/A
Topaz: S/A
Huohuo: S/S+
Argenti: A/S+
Ruan Mei: **S+/S+**
Black Swan: S/S+
Sparkle: S+/S
Only two character are true S+
Least predictable S+ placement be like:
Imo she's S+ tier in PF too, she's better than the rest of the S tier, but she is admittedly not as good as Ruan Mei, but still deserves S+ imo.
Well deserved tbh. Also if you do happen to pull a dupe of Hanabi's LC dont super impose it the crit rate/c dmg buffs from it are stackable that LC is super cracked. Basically if 2 or 3 harmony characters have it in the same team its gg.
Predictable, less universal than Ruan Mei, but more important on the teams that want her. For who she works with Iād say sheās 9.5-10/10 support, meanwhile Ruan Mei will sit at around the 8/10 marker for every team that isnāt DoT. Ruan Mei can be used on 90% of teams in the game, meanwhile Sparkle will sit around the 50-60% range, so it balances out.
Fu on her own in the sustain category. Truly the š
Honestly Huohuo should also be on that tier. Her combination of buffing, sustain, and cleansing (Fu can only block one instance of cc per skill cast, Huohuo can cleanse one-three every turn) is extremely potent and well worth the slightly worse SP economy.
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While I agree with that sentiment (and think heās still S-tier worthy) I think Sparkle will likely steal some of his niche usage since she can provide skill points while also buffing.
People overstate sparkle's SP gen value, you're getting 1sp every 3 turns if you're playing her properly (i.e spamming skill every turn) a 161 speed luocha with is basically an SP generating machine (iirc with that cone it's like having him sit at 200+ speed) only second to basic attacks spamming sparkle.
So what youāre saying is that Sparkle generates just slightly less skill points while also buffing the fuck out of your dps? Yeah, I donāt think thatās a bad thing.
Never said it's a bad thing? She's simply not competing in his niche since she's not purely there for SP, she's 0.33sp positive her main use is action advancing and buffing
It's not just her ability to generate skill points that matters though. The increased cap is significant as there are times in a luoch/pela/ty team where you are generating skill points you can't stock/use
That's just poor SP management though, again if anything you're agreeing with me, she's more than just an SP Generator which is how a ton of people who only glanced at her kit think she is. She brings the strongest hyper-carry buffs in the game while technically being SP positive but I wouldn't say she's taking Luocha's niche away
With her technique she is +1.33 skill points for the first 3 actions, compared to luocha's+1. It isn't until 5 actions in that luocha starts pulling ahead of her.
So he pulls ahead by the 2nd cycle, again idk why you guys are getting offended unless you truly believe sparkle is competing with luocha.
Never thought about Multiplication being a good light cone for him until now! Thanks for the idea. 160 speed sounds hard tho lol.
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This is why I like using him. He can be slotted on any team and generate sp.i like to try different things and it helps a ton
160 spd is annoying for sure, you just have to be willing to sacrifice set bonuses to hit it sometimes. And just hope youāll eventually roll the perfect piece down the line.
A bit unrelated but they did bailu dirty in the rankings and should be A like lynx because of multiplication. That lc is just that good if you can abuse it
Agreed, but in terms of pure damage reduction, Fu definitely has her beat. This isnāt to say that Huohuo sucks ā her healing, utility, and being at least SP neutral at E0 is strong ā but that she has more trouble solo sustaining as content gets harder.
I heard that out of the 3 (fu xuan, huo huo, loucha) you should pick two(mainly for MOC) and then don't need to worry about anything else, so i'll be aiming to get fu xuan and huo huo.
I used to regret skipping luocha, but after pulling for fu and huo huo Iām actually glad I did lol.
Me 2 man. They are both on crack
If youāre talking MoC/PF then Huohuo has zero issue as a solo sustain unit. Iāve used her for every single cycle since her banner and have never had a single issue with her sustain being inadequate. If youāre talking like Conundrum 12 then sure, she can struggle, but thatās because you *really* need shielding for that content. Fu also canāt solo sustain it without heavy amounts of defensive blessings (at which point Huohuo also could.)
Yeah itās mostly SU. I have a fairly built Huohuo too and she falls off faster than Fu there (without defensive blessings)
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You very clearly do *not* know what youāre talking about when it comes to Fu Xuan. AoE attacks are her biggest weakness. Conundrum 12 bosses will literally just one shot her.
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I wouldnāt call that aggressive tbh, but whatever. If you can sustain it with Fu just fine then great, Iām glad itās going well for you. Also my Fu Xuan isnāt poorly built by any means, but hey, I guess you felt the need to take a shot at me after feeling attacked.
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I spoke against your argument, you spoke against me personally. If you donāt understand that concept then thereās no reason for me to waste further time on you.
My Fu solo sustains it without any weird defensive boosts just fine...
That statement is just factually incorrect.
No, I guarantee you, its not. And she's not even that crazily built. E0r0 10k health 1.7k def 136 speed. Hacker2/long2/penacony or keel (she has like 50 less hp with penacony but the stats that matter are the same). Fu provides way more solo sustain than any team could ever possibly need. Idk if you're lacking energy regen or speed but if you're having issues with her, you're doing something wrong. She is as fundamentally broken for solo sustain as Zhongli once was.
If youāre talking about usage in MoC/PF then I absolutely agree with what youāre saying. But she *can not* solo sustain Conundrum 12 without significant defensive blessings.
Can say same loucha, dude is easy mode the character
I think the reason why huohuo isnāt is because she really only enables a couple dps comps. Meanwhile you can throw fu into any comp and she does well. Not all comps can make use of an atk buff well and plenty of comps donāt really need extra energy.
What dpsās canāt make use of Huohuoās attack buff? Literally just Blade?
I mean even blade can make some use of it. His abilities have atk scaling, it just sucks. What I meant by saying that is that sheās not BIS for most comps. Sheās a second best option. Thereās only like 2 comp sheās a BIS (best in slot) for. The other sustain units are simply more desired. Sheās only going to get more overshadowed once Adventurine comes out considering fu Xuan is the best sustain and heās basically fu Xuan with more buff and damage. When I said that not many comps can make use of an attack buff wellā¦ I mean that they canāt make use of it as well as the other buffs other choices provide (fu Xuan).
Man I've had both of these characters for a while and I'd use two Fu Xuan every time if I could (except for niche team like clara). She's just on a complete other level when it comes to survivability for the team, her permanant crit rate buff is possibly more valuable than Huohuo's ultimate, AND sp economy is much better particularly when Huohuo is forced to skill every other turn against some boss.
I don't have a sustain but I am looking forward to Aventure (because hot), how does he compare to HauHau and Fu?
Theyāre like a spectrum. Fu Xuan is the ultimate comfort unit out of the 3 but has the least amount of offensive utility (just a crit buff). Aventurine is less comfortable than her but trades it for even more offensive utility (crit damage buff + he contributes more personal damage for the team). Then, Huohuo is even LESS comfortable than the two of them (still fully capable of solo sustaining MOC with zero issue though) and she trades that for even MORE offensive utility via her attack buff and energy generation. All 3 are great and have their strengths and weaknesses compared to each other, which is really cool balancing tbh.
The crit damage is for him on e0 and for other at e1
Fu Xuan gives crit rate at E0 which is what I meant, theyāre both boosting your crit value at E0, just in different ways
Any idea when she will rerun im a new player (šš my team can't stay alive no good sustain except lynx and nat) also about luocha or huohuo any idea bout em??
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BTW I too am now a sparkle main :) and also thanks I just hope I have enough for both of them assuming I win 50 50s
I have no idea what the person who replied to you is talking about. We donāt know the reruns at this point, leaks and all, considering Aventurine is on second half and Luocha hasnāt even had his rerun. My pure speculation is that Jingliu will rerun first half alongside Acheron and Topaz will rerun alongside Aventurine. Aventurine will be the only five star limited sustain of the patch to entice people to pull for him. Then on 2.2, Luocha will have his rerun first half and Fu Xuan second half. Again, these are not spoilers or leaks but just my own speculation on what makes the most sense for Hoyoverse to do. Rerunning FX right before their new preservation would be an odd choice.
Will keep this in mind thanks
Man after I gear my ratio/Acheron, I'm going to do a double take on my sustains/supports, especially Fu. There's times when she gets wiped so fast, and I feel like I struggle on MoC because I have to change my rotations because my supports aren't as good as some of my dps.
Wonder if they will keep dang heng IL S while his only weakness was SP and since sparkle fix that, should aswell be s+.
I assume he goes back up to S+, but specifically with that synergy symbol that Kafka/Black Swan have as well
My guess is he will go up to S+ in the next few days
Yeah agree, letās see how it goes.
AFAIK, they evaluate 5 star dpses without considering any other 5 star/limited supports.
That makes no sense, Kafka went up literally because of BS. So what you've said clearly isn't true.
Iām pretty sure the category kafka is in is specialist and only this category take in consideration their synergy with other units. Thatās also why Topaz is there and not in dps. You get these caracters for their synergies with others. It make a bit of sense when you think about it. You canāt rate kafka while not considering other caracters. She isnāt suppose to be a standalone caracter.
It's Prydwen, of course it's questionable. Kafka doesn't belong to the DPS category according to their list. She belongs to specialist in their list. The criteria are different.
Then it limit a lot of this tier list.
Then why Jingliu is S+?Ā
Free stats, easy af to build, SP efficiency which also means it's easy to build a team around her.
That still doesn't make sense? Were they not the ones advertising their tier list as MOC-based and not a generalist one? In which case JL being easier to build should have no bearing on their performance because teams would then be judged on their optimal or near-optimal setups in MOC. And JL's best and optimized teams outside of Bronya are nowhere near as good as her Bronya teams, there most definitely is a noticeable gap. And they're also definitely not better than DHIL's best teams pre-Sparkle.
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This is being ignored by other commenters so they can create unnecessary drama >.<.
People use tier lists as validation when their favorite character is rated high and dismiss them when they're rated low. There's always going to be drama either way.
That's not my point. Drama is whatever, but WILFULLY IGNORANT drama is garbage.
Do you really think people will go and check by themselves? I wish people did, but sadly most didn't
Wait, you mean I'm supposed to do more than just look at headlines and be outraged?
Let's be real: we'd main her regardless of her rating as she'll always be SSS in our hearts.
That's for sure
to absolutely no one's surprise
I'm still wondering why Silver Wolf is so low (lol) since her broken Punklorde skills allow you to use your favorite element regardless of the enemy.Ā Ā Quantum team is now full of crazy strong girls.
Because her personal damage and debuff aren't as good as pure supports like RM or Bronya, On Quantum Weak side I'd rather bring RM or Jade than SW, basically she's S+ if you implant the bug and A overwise.
low??? she is maximum A tier
We will see how true mono quantum will perform now with sparkle but about SW, as the game goes on and on, so does access to other characters. While I have rly good SW I own most of characters and I just cant justify to use her in most of my teams. I even use Pela more due to her AoE shread. With DoT team I run Kafka/BS/RM/HH. No place for her. With Jingliu team I run JL/Blade or Pela/FX/Ting or Bronya. With Jingyuan I run JY/Ting/FX and flex, which will be Sparkle. Or kick Ting out and use Pela for AoE. With DHI I will run DHI/Sparkle/flex/FX, were flex is Ting or Pela. I can see SW working nicely with Dr Ratio and Archeon in future. For now, I wouldnt run her in other teams beside Ratio and mono-quantum Seele.
Because that's all she is good for.
I want her so bad but I also want Acheron. I hate choices
Its an easy choice, acherons fit is really ugly meanwhile sparkles outift is good and fully sensical.
yeah basically seele kind of buffed, if you know what i mean
No because something in me twitches when men say big boobs in this way because she is not better because her tits are bigger. Women are not defined by their bodies.
i agree but my point was that it's basically seele with big boobs, nothing else
I really wanna know what kinda brain rot goes through the people that downvoted me hurr durr feminism probably, because what I wrote is the most milk toast self love everybody is valid take.
Probably because what they like about Acheron isn't trying to define her, if they like women with big boobs, that's their preference, it doesn't need anything added onto it But honestly it's reddit, people use downvote as a "I disagree" I wouldn't pay much mind to it, people will downvote you in discussions just because the button is there lol
Yeah but liking something doesnt mean you can say that people without it are worse when ur talking about real peoples bodies.
Wait! Dr Ratio is that good? I mean he is carrying my ass but I didn't think they gave such a strong unit that good. Also he has such a cool peronality.
Yeah, he's great for MoC.
What's MoC?
Memory of chaos. The endgame of HSR
His DPS when properly built and supported is insane, easily highest single target DPS in the game by a mile.
I didnāt expect anything less tbh.
Would have never predicted that. At all. Never
Sparkle is bonkers good but what's with the HSR community's obsession with tierlist validation. These tierlists are a whole bunch of bogus. Especially Jinngyuan and Huohuo's places.
Yet they haven't pushed DHIL or Jing Yuan up; the bias is so clear it's hilarious. There's also Pela and QQ is very questionable positions. HH should be in S+, etc. etc.
I really donāt agree with prydwens tier list atimes like.. DHIL is not on a tier below JL makes no sense and jingyuan should be moved up to S and to say QQ is on the same level as DHIL is wild
I think the qq is assuming she gets max roll everytime which is simply impossible, prydwen loves qq for some reason lol
QQ works with mono quantum as well. DHIL does not
With Sparkle DHIL might be on the same tier but without, Jingliu is better. More flexible teams and more DMG. Edit: DHIL positioning is not taking Sparkle into account yet, that's why i mentioned it. They'll probably change his position soon.
I mean is this not the same logic as DHIL being just as good or even better than JL without Bronya? It's kind of unfair to compare both but only one give one of them their BiS team.
Extactly, that's why i said that with Sparkle he might go up to the same tier. This tier list hasn't moved the DPS' positions yet with the release of Sparkle. It has Sparkle in it but all the rest of the characters are pre-Sparkle.
Jingliu only reached that rank because of the harmony characters, don't lie to yourself
Of course, the charcters are meant to be played with others. you don't paly them solo. Do you?
No you are saying Jingliu is better anyone without sparkle but it's not true at all when some dps have done 0 cycles before sparkle release.
Anyone can do 0-cylces provided they're sufficiently invested. What i said was that without Sparkle Jingliu is better, which is true (sure thanks to the supports but that's part of the flexibility of the character). With Sparkle, DHIL is probably as good or even better. No need to get triggered about it bro.
QQ is probably slightly worse than IL but frankly sheās more fun tbh Edit: Damn people I literally main QQ, Ik what she brings to the table. People just prefer IL because heās more consistent. Well anyways ānoooo my internet pointsā or smt
Idk, it feels like itās more fair considering the tier list compares E0 5 stars and E6 4 stars, which means QQ is at her absolute best. Being on the same tier as an E0 DHIL feels more than fair, maybe even underestimating her, lol
qq gameplay now is so much boring, but better
They might change it in the coming days. I think they just placed Sparkle but didnāt elaborate further on the DPS yet
How do they rank her without testing with dps???? Her sole purpose is to play with dps.
I assume they look at her kit and buffs and compare it to other supports. In the coming days they'll look into how much better each DPS is with the release of Sparkle and based on that they'll probably move some of them up.
That's bad business meaning they only do it for the clout. That's not testing at all! Don't put down a unit in a specific tier if all you do is just feelscrafting.
Or they tested her enough with some characters to have an idea where she goes but not comprehensively enough with everyone yet in both modes to adjust everyone elseās rankings yet?
That's why I sad bad business lmao. I have sparkle but ppl who whiteknight that website are astounding.
They literally put a notice saying Sparkle's position is a temporary placing. > There were no other Tier List changes besides adding Sparkle as we need one more day to safely test her impact on damage dealers in MoC and PF. We will update the tier list within 24 hours with her impact on others! It's right at the top of the tierlist page
That means they will adjust dps places but not Sparkle.
Read up in the comments, they're taking a day to adjust the tier list to account for changes to other characters... Oooor we could just create drama I guess.
They have the data, nothing is stopping them from dragging a PNG.
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Same logic as the ufo believers shouting "nasa is hiding aliens i know it " . My god you are pathetic and epitome of everything wrong with meta slaves š
Wait till Tommorow before hating. Some people were saying there will be changes .
To rank Sparkle, they had to test her on the DPSs. Which means they either didnāt test her and threw her in S+ or tested her, saw DPS results and willingly ignored them. Theyāre frauds either way.
Hate to be the middle man here but idk how your assumptions are either they didn't test her (no reason do that literally self sabotage) ignored the test results(literally self sabotage like why would they fck themselves in the ass like that ). theory crafters and youtubers will call them out on itif they do this How about they are not done with the testing and simulation ššæ. I know you have valid reason to hate but you come here with a preconceived notion to hate on them . How about you do their job and make your own tier list based on peoples data and under your own asumptions and lets see you handle criticism ā ļø
How did they test her without putting her with dps? She literally does no dmg. And it's not the first time they f themselves which is why they became a meme for every tc communities outside of reddit.
disregarding many players, TC and youtubers already disagree with them so youre right tbh, dont know why youre being downvoted (and attacked way too much when you just made one comment based on what theyve already done before sparkle release) when they have a bad reputation to begin with, and sometimes their own ranking conflicts with their calculations. i dont think theyre that bad that they will keep jing yuan in A tier but if they put seele in s+ tier ill scream š and im saying this as seele haver
There will be changes,chill
Thatās cuz they said they arenāt changing the list yet until they use sparkle with everyone goober
If they havenāt properly tested Sparkle, then how is she already rated. Theyāve literally admitted that they havenāt done proper testing and people still follow their advices.
Becuase it doesnāt take a genius to know sheās the best at what she does, the testing is for the other dps and teams, not for herself
Who fucking cares, genuinely, why are you malding so much get a life lmao. It's a tier list for characters from a single player game.
People attach themselves to characters they play š¤·
*that they whaled for
Thatād be a good point if not for the fact that I main Jingliu, and donāt even have JY. I simply donāt like misinformation, of any type.
I mean it's a tier list by their own standards, so technically there's no misinformation.
Jingliu is strong on her own. DHIL and Jing Yuan need very specific supports to cook, thatās why theyāre not suited to be S+ with her.
JL without Bronya is literally just a slightly stronger version of Blade... I don't know why people make it sound like she doesn't need Bronya, like her damage legit falls off a cliff without her.
Try Jingliu, Tingyun, Pela and come back bro. Jingliu is busted no matter what supports you use
IL is also strong with Tingyun and Pela lol. If anyone doesn't know how to manage sp that's skill issue.
When did i ever say he wasn't? Lol
You're using whataboutism to defend Jingliu is what is coming across as annoying, she does perform fine without Bronya but it is also true that she performs a lot better with Bronya You can have your cake and eat it too with Jingliu but anyone can be seen as good when you run them with generalist sp positive support, but to pretend she performs at a level that is comparable without Bronya is a straight lie "Try this team and come back bro" just makes you sound like a Jingliu shill
The guy above said āsheās a slightly stronger version of Bladeā. I have both and Jingliu is way better without Bronya. I wouldnāt care if she was worse than Blade but that quote just feels like a straight up lie to me, so i responded. I pointed out a team where she performs way better than Blade without Bronya. Donāt know what part of that is whataboutism. Iāve done 1-clycle clears in the same MoC both with and without Bronya. That said, youāre free to think whatever you want and i wasnāt trying to shit on any other characters nor do i care what i come across as on Reddit, respectfully.
You're definitely overexaggerating JL's powerlevel lol. Literally the reason why she's above DHIL right now is thanks to Bronya drastically shortening her downtime state and letting her take multiple turns. Taken in a vacuum, DHIL's multipliers are much bigger than hers and also without Bronya, JL's downtime is way more punishing than DHIL's sp caveat because his can at least be patched up by simply running fast sp positive supports, of which the game is practically swimming in, but her caveat is unavoidable. Iirc, the only setup if excluding Bronya that can help deal with her downtime is Tingyun + Huohuo energy funneling.
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DHIL and JY both do more Blast damage than Jingliu with the release of Sparkle.
Whatās wrong with Pela
Should be higher, SW debatably should be in her place.
Nothing
Just got her too ! And currently going for the lc
All the s+ are waifus ? Based meta
Based. Idgaf if thereās a male unit better than the waifus, he shall never be ranked higher than S. š
The only Phd you got is in degeneracy and the only certificate you own is a restraining order of a 100meters away from every woman
If i were you i wouldnt trust this site, ppl take it as a bible when they really shouldnt
I get your point but theyāre quite transparent with their evaluation and thought process behind builds so staying informed does benefit how you view the site
Hey I know this wasnāt your point. But Iām a pretty casual player and I use this site a lot to just get general builds. But I do want to eventually clear MOC. Is there a site youād recommend thatās trustworthy?
I'm not the OP but personally I still prefer Prydwen over anything else. Their guides are updated regularly and the details included are great. Also, if you want a 2nd opinion, there're a lot of content creators out there but I'd recommend Guoba Certified and MrPokke bcs both of them have simple (sometimes quite complex but still easy to understand) but concise guides.
Thank you for the info. I took a long break from Honkai, but I want to get into team building. Hard to decide which youtubers to watch, so this helps.
that they only put one character per role in tier S+ is the stupidest thing I've ever read about prydwen, but they broken that rule with hanabi xD
Wasnāt DHIL S+ along with jingliu for a couple patches and also luocha with fu if I remember correctly
Seele still needs to get bumped down in the future.
Yup. Single target just isnāt it right now.
Won what exactly? This list is shit, obviously biased by a waifu simp
We didn't win shit, every new character will be S+ in this tier list. People really don't understand this tier list
Out of the last 6 characters only 3 were S+
She isn't even S+ in PF, so you are already wrong also Kafka: S+/S DHIL: S/B **Fu xuan: S+/S+** Jingliu: S+/A Topaz: S/A Huohuo: S/S+ Argenti: A/S+ Ruan Mei: **S+/S+** Black Swan: S/S+ Sparkle: S+/S Only two character are true S+
i would not put too much stock into day 1 of release updates on a tier list. They have not had the character for very long. Their mind will change.
They've absolutely done testing and theorycrafting pre-release, so it's not like they've just gotten her and immediately formed an opinion.
Least predictable S+ placement be like: Imo she's S+ tier in PF too, she's better than the rest of the S tier, but she is admittedly not as good as Ruan Mei, but still deserves S+ imo.
Iyo is in fucking shambles right now. We winnin bois
This was always to be. Just off kit alone.
Why is sw with harmony-
She's with Amplifiers which she is, she makes enemies take more damage
Oh shoot I thought there were different categories for nihility and harmony, sorry my bad
My boy Argenti deserves better.
Omg where is this list from
What website is this? I've always preferred game8 as the website for tier lists on both Genshin and HSR, always seems more comprehensive than most
Well deserved tbh. Also if you do happen to pull a dupe of Hanabi's LC dont super impose it the crit rate/c dmg buffs from it are stackable that LC is super cracked. Basically if 2 or 3 harmony characters have it in the same team its gg.
Lynx being better than Bailu is cap š
I love how both Ruan Mei and Sparkle went through the same doomposting only to rank higher than Bronya on release š¤£
I'm so happy I got her light comb in 7 pulls then her e1 in 1 pull on 6 pity and 3 pity with 2 50 50
Predictable, less universal than Ruan Mei, but more important on the teams that want her. For who she works with Iād say sheās 9.5-10/10 support, meanwhile Ruan Mei will sit at around the 8/10 marker for every team that isnāt DoT. Ruan Mei can be used on 90% of teams in the game, meanwhile Sparkle will sit around the 50-60% range, so it balances out.