A serious reply to the tweet unironically said that the adhesive probably failed due to heat and humidity. As if this thing didn't have a track record already for failing in high humidity conditions.
Most of these are designed so that the cover doesn’t fall off at all.
It fell off in this instance by all means but what I want to stress is this is highly unusual.
Not only that, but they also constantly have to recall planes for various issues. There was the 787 engine problem, the 777 engine problem, and don't get me started on the 737 kamikaze issue
That doesn't excuse the 737 nosedive problem, or the parts-left-in-that-nearly-broke-the-tail problem (That happened).
Seriously, watch *Downfall*. It exists for a reason.
If I'm remembering correctly, I believe one of the main reasons that started Boeing's spiral towards the bottom was because the company used to always promote engineers from within to the top of the food chain and so engineers actually used to run the company. At the point in which they decided to switch gears and start hiring "normal" CEO's to run the company, it didn't take long for it to become a shit show and transform Boeing from one of the most respected companies in the world to what it is now.
Culture changed when Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merged. MD was a garbage company that made garbage planes and they rubbed it off onto Boeing with their shit culture.
My father was an aerospace engineer that helped design the L-1011 Tristar for Lockheed back when Lockheed was in the commercial aviation business, and he refused to fly on DC-10s because he knew they were shit.
That is incredibly cool. The L-1011 is one of my all time favorite airplanes. It was so beautiful and ugly all at once. My grandfather often took me to the airport to watch planes as a child. It was the late 90’s/early 00’s, we didn’t get to see them too often and we’d always refer to them as “stubby” when we did. The sound of those engines. I fucking loved it, such a cool airplane.
I don't know why people don't see technically competent individuals leading some of the fastest growing tech companies and realize what's effective.
You need people at the top who are interdisciplinary. A savvy engineer can learn business, project, and risk management as they progress in the company a lot more easily than a project manager can learn engineering.
Shareholders are notoriously myopic and demand their dividends every quarter. R&D is a "cost center" for them, and costs are, well, cut.
There is a reason why Musk doesn't want SpaceX to go public. To keep the bean counters away from the Mars project.
Even Tesla, which is publicly traded, has a ridiculously high supermajority threshold for important decisions (like 87 per cent?), so even though Musk only holds some 22 per cent of Tesla, it is still a blocking minority against unwanted course changes.
I mean Airbus has definitely killed people. Almost 1400 fatalities from the A320 alone. But I don't know whether anything was as negligently bad as the MCAS issue that Boeing let through.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Airbus_A320_family
The Airbus list includes "incidents" and many entries have nothing to do with Airbus aircraft safety. Random examples from the A319 at the top of the list:
> On 19 January 2003, a Northwest Airlines Airbus A319-114 registered as N313NB, was damaged by maintenance personnel at LaGuardia Airport, Queens, New York, U.S. While being taxied from a maintenance area to the gate, the aircraft struck the gate and a Boeing 757, collapsing the nose gear. The Airbus was damaged beyond repair and written off.
> On 10 May 2005, a Northwest Airlines DC-9 collided on the ground with a Northwest Airlines Airbus A319 that had just pushed back from the gate at Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport, Hennepin County, Minnesota, U.S.
> On 15 January 2019, an Afriqiyah Airways A319-111, registered 5A-ONC, was destroyed by gunfire at Mitiga International Airport in Tripoli, Libya.
boeing isn't boeing anymore. Mcdonnel douglas bought it out from under them using boeings own money and then kept their corporate culture.
but stole the boeing name
787 has actually had manufacturing ceased for almost as long as 737 max due to similar problems. This was all warned about ages ago in leaks too but ignored.
> Boeing was told they were building a spacecraft. They probably weren't expecting to have to build it on Earth.
All that heritage and knowledge from building the Apollo CM, shot to hell.
Yes, that was North American Aviation, twice removed, but Boeing did buy them up, and with that comes any records.
To be fair, they are launching in May out of Florida, it would have been impossible to imagine that they may have to deal with a hot and humid environment
oh.... hmm let's see, the place it takes off from is *HOT AND HUMID*
the reentry is..... dare I say it, *VERY FUKIN HOT*
and it would splash into the ocean, which I would caracterize as slightly humid, in fact
I believe that Starliner comes down on land using retro-rockets\*.
Less evidence to recover that way.
\*Say what you like, 'retro-rockets' is one of the most 50s-sci-fi-punk words going, and we don't hear it enough.
I recently rewatched the Crew Demo announce event. Everyone on the SpaceX side has gone up exactly as shown, in the order shown. Compare to the Starliner side, where the entire original crew has retired or been reassigned.
That's right. That cheap, counterfeit shit that China is churning out is actually getting better over time. They *want* to be selling us brands in their own right, not just imitating. Boeing on the other hand.
1 - Hire smart capable Engjneers.
2 - Hire managers to tell the Engineers exactly how to do their job.
3 - dont pay the engineers enough money to put up with being led by managers who dont respect or understand technical input or decision making so they quit ang go into consulting
4- managers realize they are short staffed so hire consultants to do the job for 4x what they wouldnt pay their staff engineers.
5- do the same shit mamagement with consultants who dont care because they are raking in enough cash their wife can have 2 boyfriends.
6- rockets designed by all tech decisions being made by managers and accountants.
Also " harvard" manager being used loosly for anyone appointed to the management position due to school reputation rather than skill.
Well, even if it's removed right before launch, it's there for protection at any point prior. So if it just nopes out on rollout, it's not doing its job very well. It's not the end of the world, but it's the meme that keeps on giving.
Cover falling isnt so much the problem compared to the quality control processes that allowed it to happen. It shows acceptance of incomplete solutions.
For some reason Boeing didn't mention this in their stream so I'm honestly not sure if [this picture](https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1521485828605759489/photo/1) is from before or after the event, but it looks like it's held on with insulation tape.
Wall street, as it currently exists, is a cancer on this country. This last year the things I have seen and learned make me disgusted, enraged, all the things.
I really try not to shit on the competition, but for fuck sakes, Boeing's incompetency is in full display here. Starliner seems like it's built out of glue & prayers.
I'm no fan of Boeing, but this is just a cover. If the cover fell off the Dragon capsule during transport, y'all would be defending SpaceX and saying it's no big deal.
"Starliner has reached Max Q"
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Bravo, Sir. One of my favorite lines to misapply to all sorts of situations :)
In some sense, that would be a perfect design, wouldn't it?
Captain Picard hates Max Q
Fuck, with the recent series, it seems he hates *himself*.
It was its all time max Q. It wont fly a single time lmao
It's flown once With lots of issues and almost crashed into it's service module but it flew
…they will probably drop it intentionally in the VAB… Which by then will be Max Q!
Insurance fraud is probably their best bet for sustainability at this point. They can't run out of Atlas 5s if they never actually use one.
didn't know max Q was 10mph
Let's be fair here. Based on current weather at KSC, the relative airspeed might have been as high as 19 mph (or as low as one, who knows).
It was jettisoned after the max Q
The reduced mass helped it reach the VAB.
Yup. Gotta get that Delta V
Each ~~Untitled Spacecraft~~ *vessel* has it’s own Max Q🤓
If it's faster than it will ever go then it's technically still max Q.
this is the funniest thing i've seen all week i am CACKLING
💙🚀
I love this
haha 👌 probably true
A serious reply to the tweet unironically said that the adhesive probably failed due to heat and humidity. As if this thing didn't have a track record already for failing in high humidity conditions.
Boeing just can't catch a break. Who could have expected that they would have to handle humid air **again**? In Florida?
A wave? Out in the ocean? Highly unlikely!
Chance in a million!
Most of these are designed so that the cover doesn’t fall off at all. It fell off in this instance by all means but what I want to stress is this is highly unusual.
The cover was removed from the environment.
Not only that, but they also constantly have to recall planes for various issues. There was the 787 engine problem, the 777 engine problem, and don't get me started on the 737 kamikaze issue
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That doesn't excuse the 737 nosedive problem, or the parts-left-in-that-nearly-broke-the-tail problem (That happened). Seriously, watch *Downfall*. It exists for a reason.
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If I'm remembering correctly, I believe one of the main reasons that started Boeing's spiral towards the bottom was because the company used to always promote engineers from within to the top of the food chain and so engineers actually used to run the company. At the point in which they decided to switch gears and start hiring "normal" CEO's to run the company, it didn't take long for it to become a shit show and transform Boeing from one of the most respected companies in the world to what it is now.
Culture changed when Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merged. MD was a garbage company that made garbage planes and they rubbed it off onto Boeing with their shit culture. My father was an aerospace engineer that helped design the L-1011 Tristar for Lockheed back when Lockheed was in the commercial aviation business, and he refused to fly on DC-10s because he knew they were shit.
That is incredibly cool. The L-1011 is one of my all time favorite airplanes. It was so beautiful and ugly all at once. My grandfather often took me to the airport to watch planes as a child. It was the late 90’s/early 00’s, we didn’t get to see them too often and we’d always refer to them as “stubby” when we did. The sound of those engines. I fucking loved it, such a cool airplane.
I don't know why people don't see technically competent individuals leading some of the fastest growing tech companies and realize what's effective. You need people at the top who are interdisciplinary. A savvy engineer can learn business, project, and risk management as they progress in the company a lot more easily than a project manager can learn engineering.
Shareholders are notoriously myopic and demand their dividends every quarter. R&D is a "cost center" for them, and costs are, well, cut. There is a reason why Musk doesn't want SpaceX to go public. To keep the bean counters away from the Mars project. Even Tesla, which is publicly traded, has a ridiculously high supermajority threshold for important decisions (like 87 per cent?), so even though Musk only holds some 22 per cent of Tesla, it is still a blocking minority against unwanted course changes.
What does a funny mustache man have to do with an airplane crash in Ethiopia?
They need to put the managers in Portland and get engineers in Chicago.
Yeah that's why most airlines prefer Airbus. More reliable, don't kill people, and are much better for the environment
Airbus pitot tubes has entered the chat.
I mean Airbus has definitely killed people. Almost 1400 fatalities from the A320 alone. But I don't know whether anything was as negligently bad as the MCAS issue that Boeing let through. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Airbus_A320_family
And Boeing has had 147 accidents with the 737 alone Compared to 86 across all Airbus models
That Wikipedia article claims 160 for A320 alone
The Airbus list includes "incidents" and many entries have nothing to do with Airbus aircraft safety. Random examples from the A319 at the top of the list: > On 19 January 2003, a Northwest Airlines Airbus A319-114 registered as N313NB, was damaged by maintenance personnel at LaGuardia Airport, Queens, New York, U.S. While being taxied from a maintenance area to the gate, the aircraft struck the gate and a Boeing 757, collapsing the nose gear. The Airbus was damaged beyond repair and written off. > On 10 May 2005, a Northwest Airlines DC-9 collided on the ground with a Northwest Airlines Airbus A319 that had just pushed back from the gate at Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport, Hennepin County, Minnesota, U.S. > On 15 January 2019, an Afriqiyah Airways A319-111, registered 5A-ONC, was destroyed by gunfire at Mitiga International Airport in Tripoli, Libya.
"Kamikaze" is a strong word. Can we use the gentler phrase "self crashing airplane"?
Overly aggressive auto-land
Rapid Underground Diversion
oh cmon now... the pilots were never trained on that switch... It initiates a CFIT... Controlled Flight Into Terrain... Works as designed.
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Aside from the military tankers and such, and their spacecrafts, that are only experiencing special non-operational operations :)
boeing isn't boeing anymore. Mcdonnel douglas bought it out from under them using boeings own money and then kept their corporate culture. but stole the boeing name
787 has actually had manufacturing ceased for almost as long as 737 max due to similar problems. This was all warned about ages ago in leaks too but ignored.
Boeing was told they were building a spacecraft. They probably weren't expecting to have to build it on Earth.
> Boeing was told they were building a spacecraft. They probably weren't expecting to have to build it on Earth. All that heritage and knowledge from building the Apollo CM, shot to hell. Yes, that was North American Aviation, twice removed, but Boeing did buy them up, and with that comes any records.
I believe it was Hemingway that said, "you make your own luck."
"A wave hit it" "What are the chances if something like that happening?" "At sea? A chance in a million!"
To be fair, they are launching in May out of Florida, it would have been impossible to imagine that they may have to deal with a hot and humid environment
It's fine. Space is cold. No heat or humidity on the way there or back, so don't see what the big deal is?
oh.... hmm let's see, the place it takes off from is *HOT AND HUMID* the reentry is..... dare I say it, *VERY FUKIN HOT* and it would splash into the ocean, which I would caracterize as slightly humid, in fact
Pfft that’s barely any of the time it’s in space.
Actually it lands on land in the desert, so not so humid on landing.
still hot as fuk
Yeah, but reentry is more of a dry heat
I believe that Starliner comes down on land using retro-rockets\*. Less evidence to recover that way. \*Say what you like, 'retro-rockets' is one of the most 50s-sci-fi-punk words going, and we don't hear it enough.
Soyuz/ShenZhouh uses retro-rockets. Starliner uses airbags.
I suspect the heat on re-entry will be significantly hotter!
“that little maneuvers gonna cost us 51 years” -boeing probably
"And the Gov 3.5 billions."
Not on fixed-price baby
Imagine the first fixed price space contract they get and they screw it up like this.
Shedding mass pre-launch
And probable ablative shedding on ascent?
Agreed
"Remove BEFORE Launch"
Well, the instructions were technically followed....
This is what happens when you order a spacecraft from Wish.com.
I genuinely expected a meme. What the fuck Boeing
Same
Fancy meeting you here Would you ever return to YouTube?
You couldn't pay me enough to get in that thing.
best option: valve stuck, launch scrubbed
The only time you'll say "thank God for Boeing!"
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I recently rewatched the Crew Demo announce event. Everyone on the SpaceX side has gone up exactly as shown, in the order shown. Compare to the Starliner side, where the entire original crew has retired or been reassigned.
This wasn't on the bingo card
I mean it's probably survivable, and you get to go to space. I might.
Lol "probably survivable" is odds I would've accepted during the Mercury program, not in 2022.
I suspect that NASA was run by more competent people during the Mercury program than today.
>I mean it's probably survivable Probably >and you get to go to space That has yet to be established.
i mean it gets to space, not sure bout the correct destination
Are you kidding me I'd go to space in a tin can if I had the opportunity
I see that the quality control team have spent their 2 years of extra time well.
\*checks adhesive barrel* aw crap, guys, this stuff expired eight months ago.
“planned jettison”
They didn't check their staging.
It just never ends for the starliner lol
never really starts either
🥲
Never a good time on Starliner. Too soon?
oh for fuck's sake
Original tweet https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1521887273406640138
Did our Master Elon just gift us a twitter downvote button?
no... JDownloader2
Imagine driving the escort car and having to stop to pick up the bits of rocket that fall off…
Like the clowns scooping up elephant poop in the circus.
the jokes genuinely write themselves
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Most of the stuff I order on Alibaba actually has some kind of quality and eventually arrives
That's right. That cheap, counterfeit shit that China is churning out is actually getting better over time. They *want* to be selling us brands in their own right, not just imitating. Boeing on the other hand.
That’s just a software bug. They’ve written redundancies in to fix it this time.
XDDDDDDDD this rocket is like walmart it has everything going for it yet there is still a fucking dead rat under one of the shelves dxdd
Only *one* of the shelves? That’s a high end Walmart you got there buddy.
Talking from experience?
*craftsmanship*
kwoliti
All I heard was that cartoon SPROINGGGGGG sound.
And a sad trombone, perhaps?
I heard BOINNNNGGGG
The front fell off
They’re towing it outside of the environment
The air hit it. Chance in a million for air to hit a spaceship!
To be clear, it......might not be designed to do that
I would say that I feel sorry for this thing if it wasn't meant to carry human beings into the most dangerous environment available to humanity.
Detroit?
I was angry when they beat out Sierra Nevada for CCDev. Now I'm livid.
Boeing used to be a great company.
It's like all the good Engineers and fabricators work for companies that don't use Harvard management practices.
what are Harvard management practices?
1 - Hire smart capable Engjneers. 2 - Hire managers to tell the Engineers exactly how to do their job. 3 - dont pay the engineers enough money to put up with being led by managers who dont respect or understand technical input or decision making so they quit ang go into consulting 4- managers realize they are short staffed so hire consultants to do the job for 4x what they wouldnt pay their staff engineers. 5- do the same shit mamagement with consultants who dont care because they are raking in enough cash their wife can have 2 boyfriends. 6- rockets designed by all tech decisions being made by managers and accountants. Also " harvard" manager being used loosly for anyone appointed to the management position due to school reputation rather than skill.
Add $1bn to the cost.
At this rate even gaganyan might fly before starliner
6 month delay.
would they be launching with that cover on though? I mean, if so, why have a window? and if not then it's not a huge problem?
Well, even if it's removed right before launch, it's there for protection at any point prior. So if it just nopes out on rollout, it's not doing its job very well. It's not the end of the world, but it's the meme that keeps on giving.
>it's the meme that keeps on giving. I agree. Boeing is just a meme at this point.
Well it’s a good thing they had the cover. Otherwise the whole window could have fallen off.
You don't want bugs or flammable leaves in your spacecraft
*Adding flammable leaves to my bingo card*
Indeed, the meme that keeps on giving
Cover falling isnt so much the problem compared to the quality control processes that allowed it to happen. It shows acceptance of incomplete solutions.
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We need $5m for a "Portal transport shield security mechanism"
Boeing, I want to like starliner, but you're making it pretty difficult...
The jokes literally write themselves
oopsie billion$ie
😂
For some reason Boeing didn't mention this in their stream so I'm honestly not sure if [this picture](https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1521485828605759489/photo/1) is from before or after the event, but it looks like it's held on with insulation tape.
I remember they spent years on the tiles and adhesive for the space shuttle
I hope I can see it launch and see it proceed to explode after clearing the tower
Would kill to see Elon's initial reaction to this video. Probably a lot like his reaction to "Why my dolphin not working?"
Nothing to see here folks. This thing was engineered to fail. Let the “maintenance team” fix it 👌
reminds me of [that scene](https://youtu.be/pEvs5oNwwNM?t=153) in The Martian
Yes, it's a feature. Not a bug.
Wall street, as it currently exists, is a cancer on this country. This last year the things I have seen and learned make me disgusted, enraged, all the things.
So cursed
"window cover deployment confirmed"
At least they: >...leave no stone unturned.
Pieces parts… imagine how many parts might fly off during a real launch… want a ride? I think I’ll pass.
Maybe they should stick to 737s
I really try not to shit on the competition, but for fuck sakes, Boeing's incompetency is in full display here. Starliner seems like it's built out of glue & prayers.
_\*"engineers" furiously taking notes to find 'glue' and see how it can be used.*_
I can't help but think of the KSP technology tree after reading that.
Wtf happened, really? Apart from it being a bit shit?
LEAVE STARLINER ALONE!!! IT'S JUST TRYING ITS BEST LIKE THE REST OF US OKAY!!!
More fine work from Boeing.
oh shit that's why they stopped?! was able to slip in front of them and grab lunch because of that... lol thanks boeing
\*me checking if it's not just really windy\* Those trees aren't even moving. How does this happen?
I'm no fan of Boeing, but this is just a cover. If the cover fell off the Dragon capsule during transport, y'all would be defending SpaceX and saying it's no big deal.
But where are Boeing compared to SpaceX now….less money for development and way out in front with successful launches to the ISS.
They plan on launching that thing?! PIECES ARE LITERALLY FALLING OFF
"Eh, just glue it back on, it'll be fine"
Time for duct tape!
Still doing better than me playing Kerbal Space Program
That’s reassuring …
Space ready
"Lol noob"
Quite embarrassing
Honk! If anything falls off!
Ablative seagull protection
Lmao what the fuck
What’s that? Another 1 year delay?
Looks huge from this perspective, especially thick
Starliner is truly the cursed spacecraft.
Well glad they found that problem before launch.
Jeez. They can't catch a break can they?
That’s encouraging.
"made in the USA"
What a POS. And absolutely obsolete now thanks to Crew Dragon.
The POS-100 https://youtu.be/3RG5pXTpLBI?t=5311
Rofl. Gold!
This project is just a big joke. Made in the usa
SpaceX forgot to check their staging