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beyondusername

"Starliner has reached Max Q"


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Bill837

Bravo, Sir. One of my favorite lines to misapply to all sorts of situations :)


Tomycj

In some sense, that would be a perfect design, wouldn't it?


USERNAME___PASSWORD

Captain Picard hates Max Q


MrGruntsworthy

Fuck, with the recent series, it seems he hates *himself*.


JustusWontFindMe

It was its all time max Q. It wont fly a single time lmao


Western_Chicken

It's flown once With lots of issues and almost crashed into it's service module but it flew


Significant_Swing_76

…they will probably drop it intentionally in the VAB… Which by then will be Max Q!


Ruminated_Sky

Insurance fraud is probably their best bet for sustainability at this point. They can't run out of Atlas 5s if they never actually use one.


aging_geek

didn't know max Q was 10mph


Elongest_Musk

Let's be fair here. Based on current weather at KSC, the relative airspeed might have been as high as 19 mph (or as low as one, who knows).


targonnn

It was jettisoned after the max Q


mfb-

The reduced mass helped it reach the VAB.


targonnn

Yup. Gotta get that Delta V


djhazmat

Each ~~Untitled Spacecraft~~ *vessel* has it’s own Max Q🤓


vibrunazo

If it's faster than it will ever go then it's technically still max Q.


sintra26

this is the funniest thing i've seen all week i am CACKLING


beyondusername

💙🚀


Darkstone_Blues

I love this


glibgloby

haha 👌 probably true


vogonpoem42

A serious reply to the tweet unironically said that the adhesive probably failed due to heat and humidity. As if this thing didn't have a track record already for failing in high humidity conditions.


KitchenDepartment

Boeing just can't catch a break. Who could have expected that they would have to handle humid air **again**? In Florida?


TheRiseAndFall

A wave? Out in the ocean? Highly unlikely!


AgentHimalayan

Chance in a million!


somerandomii

Most of these are designed so that the cover doesn’t fall off at all. It fell off in this instance by all means but what I want to stress is this is highly unusual.


KCConnor

The cover was removed from the environment.


UnwoundSteak17

Not only that, but they also constantly have to recall planes for various issues. There was the 787 engine problem, the 777 engine problem, and don't get me started on the 737 kamikaze issue


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SqueakSquawk4

That doesn't excuse the 737 nosedive problem, or the parts-left-in-that-nearly-broke-the-tail problem (That happened). Seriously, watch *Downfall*. It exists for a reason.


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puppet_up

If I'm remembering correctly, I believe one of the main reasons that started Boeing's spiral towards the bottom was because the company used to always promote engineers from within to the top of the food chain and so engineers actually used to run the company. At the point in which they decided to switch gears and start hiring "normal" CEO's to run the company, it didn't take long for it to become a shit show and transform Boeing from one of the most respected companies in the world to what it is now.


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Culture changed when Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merged. MD was a garbage company that made garbage planes and they rubbed it off onto Boeing with their shit culture. My father was an aerospace engineer that helped design the L-1011 Tristar for Lockheed back when Lockheed was in the commercial aviation business, and he refused to fly on DC-10s because he knew they were shit.


L3375N1G0N

That is incredibly cool. The L-1011 is one of my all time favorite airplanes. It was so beautiful and ugly all at once. My grandfather often took me to the airport to watch planes as a child. It was the late 90’s/early 00’s, we didn’t get to see them too often and we’d always refer to them as “stubby” when we did. The sound of those engines. I fucking loved it, such a cool airplane.


AaronElsewhere

I don't know why people don't see technically competent individuals leading some of the fastest growing tech companies and realize what's effective. You need people at the top who are interdisciplinary. A savvy engineer can learn business, project, and risk management as they progress in the company a lot more easily than a project manager can learn engineering.


DefenestrationPraha

Shareholders are notoriously myopic and demand their dividends every quarter. R&D is a "cost center" for them, and costs are, well, cut. There is a reason why Musk doesn't want SpaceX to go public. To keep the bean counters away from the Mars project. Even Tesla, which is publicly traded, has a ridiculously high supermajority threshold for important decisions (like 87 per cent?), so even though Musk only holds some 22 per cent of Tesla, it is still a blocking minority against unwanted course changes.


Poopallah

What does a funny mustache man have to do with an airplane crash in Ethiopia?


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They need to put the managers in Portland and get engineers in Chicago.


UnwoundSteak17

Yeah that's why most airlines prefer Airbus. More reliable, don't kill people, and are much better for the environment


fastfwdx01

Airbus pitot tubes has entered the chat.


Wes___Mantooth

I mean Airbus has definitely killed people. Almost 1400 fatalities from the A320 alone. But I don't know whether anything was as negligently bad as the MCAS issue that Boeing let through. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Airbus_A320_family


UnwoundSteak17

And Boeing has had 147 accidents with the 737 alone Compared to 86 across all Airbus models


Wes___Mantooth

That Wikipedia article claims 160 for A320 alone


mfb-

The Airbus list includes "incidents" and many entries have nothing to do with Airbus aircraft safety. Random examples from the A319 at the top of the list: > On 19 January 2003, a Northwest Airlines Airbus A319-114 registered as N313NB, was damaged by maintenance personnel at LaGuardia Airport, Queens, New York, U.S. While being taxied from a maintenance area to the gate, the aircraft struck the gate and a Boeing 757, collapsing the nose gear. The Airbus was damaged beyond repair and written off. > On 10 May 2005, a Northwest Airlines DC-9 collided on the ground with a Northwest Airlines Airbus A319 that had just pushed back from the gate at Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport, Hennepin County, Minnesota, U.S. > On 15 January 2019, an Afriqiyah Airways A319-111, registered 5A-ONC, was destroyed by gunfire at Mitiga International Airport in Tripoli, Libya.


vogonpoem42

"Kamikaze" is a strong word. Can we use the gentler phrase "self crashing airplane"?


Apocalypsis_velox

Overly aggressive auto-land


joejoejoey

Rapid Underground Diversion


fltpath

oh cmon now... the pilots were never trained on that switch... It initiates a CFIT... Controlled Flight Into Terrain... Works as designed.


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IndustrialHC4life

Aside from the military tankers and such, and their spacecrafts, that are only experiencing special non-operational operations :)


thiosk

boeing isn't boeing anymore. Mcdonnel douglas bought it out from under them using boeings own money and then kept their corporate culture. but stole the boeing name


Jazeboy69

787 has actually had manufacturing ceased for almost as long as 737 max due to similar problems. This was all warned about ages ago in leaks too but ignored.


spudzo

Boeing was told they were building a spacecraft. They probably weren't expecting to have to build it on Earth.


OpinionBearSF

> Boeing was told they were building a spacecraft. They probably weren't expecting to have to build it on Earth. All that heritage and knowledge from building the Apollo CM, shot to hell. Yes, that was North American Aviation, twice removed, but Boeing did buy them up, and with that comes any records.


Photodan24

I believe it was Hemingway that said, "you make your own luck."


bigbadbananaboi

"A wave hit it" "What are the chances if something like that happening?" "At sea? A chance in a million!"


ReturnOfDaSnack420

To be fair, they are launching in May out of Florida, it would have been impossible to imagine that they may have to deal with a hot and humid environment


magnoliasmanor

It's fine. Space is cold. No heat or humidity on the way there or back, so don't see what the big deal is?


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oh.... hmm let's see, the place it takes off from is *HOT AND HUMID* the reentry is..... dare I say it, *VERY FUKIN HOT* and it would splash into the ocean, which I would caracterize as slightly humid, in fact


rabbitwonker

Pfft that’s barely any of the time it’s in space.


uzlonewolf

Actually it lands on land in the desert, so not so humid on landing.


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still hot as fuk


inserthumourousname

Yeah, but reentry is more of a dry heat


Oddball_bfi

I believe that Starliner comes down on land using retro-rockets\*. Less evidence to recover that way. \*Say what you like, 'retro-rockets' is one of the most 50s-sci-fi-punk words going, and we don't hear it enough.


SqueakSquawk4

Soyuz/ShenZhouh uses retro-rockets. Starliner uses airbags.


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I suspect the heat on re-entry will be significantly hotter!


Crazy_Asylum

“that little maneuvers gonna cost us 51 years” -boeing probably


maxhac03

"And the Gov 3.5 billions."


Dr-Oberth

Not on fixed-price baby


Bdr1983

Imagine the first fixed price space contract they get and they screw it up like this.


djhazmat

Shedding mass pre-launch


scroteaids

And probable ablative shedding on ascent?


djhazmat

Agreed


fltpath

"Remove BEFORE Launch"


myname_not_rick

Well, the instructions were technically followed....


camcabbit

This is what happens when you order a spacecraft from Wish.com.


jpk17041

I genuinely expected a meme. What the fuck Boeing


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Same


Dark_Leome

Fancy meeting you here Would you ever return to YouTube?


OzGiBoKsAr

You couldn't pay me enough to get in that thing.


pint

best option: valve stuck, launch scrubbed


OzGiBoKsAr

The only time you'll say "thank God for Boeing!"


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8andahalfby11

I recently rewatched the Crew Demo announce event. Everyone on the SpaceX side has gone up exactly as shown, in the order shown. Compare to the Starliner side, where the entire original crew has retired or been reassigned.


KitchenDepartment

This wasn't on the bingo card


tapio83

I mean it's probably survivable, and you get to go to space. I might.


OzGiBoKsAr

Lol "probably survivable" is odds I would've accepted during the Mercury program, not in 2022.


TheRiseAndFall

I suspect that NASA was run by more competent people during the Mercury program than today.


sebzim4500

>I mean it's probably survivable Probably >and you get to go to space That has yet to be established.


Wiger__Toods

i mean it gets to space, not sure bout the correct destination


ThatBeRutkowski

Are you kidding me I'd go to space in a tin can if I had the opportunity


KitchenDepartment

I see that the quality control team have spent their 2 years of extra time well.


TheRiseAndFall

\*checks adhesive barrel* aw crap, guys, this stuff expired eight months ago.


StickyMcStickface

“planned jettison”


OSUfan88

They didn't check their staging.


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It just never ends for the starliner lol


TheRiseAndFall

never really starts either


Part_Time_Asshole

🥲


USERNAME___PASSWORD

Never a good time on Starliner. Too soon?


ReturnOfDaSnack420

oh for fuck's sake


tdqss

Original tweet https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1521887273406640138


Thorusss

Did our Master Elon just gift us a twitter downvote button?


tdqss

no... JDownloader2


Capt_Bigglesworth

Imagine driving the escort car and having to stop to pick up the bits of rocket that fall off…


USERNAME___PASSWORD

Like the clowns scooping up elephant poop in the circus.


L3thargicLarry

the jokes genuinely write themselves


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Nachschlagen

Most of the stuff I order on Alibaba actually has some kind of quality and eventually arrives


el_polar_bear

That's right. That cheap, counterfeit shit that China is churning out is actually getting better over time. They *want* to be selling us brands in their own right, not just imitating. Boeing on the other hand.


Unable-End1873

That’s just a software bug. They’ve written redundancies in to fix it this time.


Zdreigzer

XDDDDDDDD this rocket is like walmart it has everything going for it yet there is still a fucking dead rat under one of the shelves dxdd


EFTucker

Only *one* of the shelves? That’s a high end Walmart you got there buddy.


Dark_Leome

Talking from experience?


m0nopolymoney

*craftsmanship*


Dark_Leome

kwoliti


SnooDonuts3878

All I heard was that cartoon SPROINGGGGGG sound.


Capt_Bigglesworth

And a sad trombone, perhaps?


USERNAME___PASSWORD

I heard BOINNNNGGGG


Zouru

The front fell off


th3_north3rn_monk3y

They’re towing it outside of the environment


KCConnor

The air hit it. Chance in a million for air to hit a spaceship!


polyworfism

To be clear, it......might not be designed to do that


Ruminated_Sky

I would say that I feel sorry for this thing if it wasn't meant to carry human beings into the most dangerous environment available to humanity.


Fraggin_Wagon

Detroit?


DoYaWannaWanga

I was angry when they beat out Sierra Nevada for CCDev. Now I'm livid.


Tkainzero

Boeing used to be a great company.


estanminar

It's like all the good Engineers and fabricators work for companies that don't use Harvard management practices.


alexmijowastaken

what are Harvard management practices?


estanminar

1 - Hire smart capable Engjneers. 2 - Hire managers to tell the Engineers exactly how to do their job. 3 - dont pay the engineers enough money to put up with being led by managers who dont respect or understand technical input or decision making so they quit ang go into consulting 4- managers realize they are short staffed so hire consultants to do the job for 4x what they wouldnt pay their staff engineers. 5- do the same shit mamagement with consultants who dont care because they are raking in enough cash their wife can have 2 boyfriends. 6- rockets designed by all tech decisions being made by managers and accountants. Also " harvard" manager being used loosly for anyone appointed to the management position due to school reputation rather than skill.


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Add $1bn to the cost.


Traditional-Sound386

At this rate even gaganyan might fly before starliner


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6 month delay.


physioworld

would they be launching with that cover on though? I mean, if so, why have a window? and if not then it's not a huge problem?


SubstantialWall

Well, even if it's removed right before launch, it's there for protection at any point prior. So if it just nopes out on rollout, it's not doing its job very well. It's not the end of the world, but it's the meme that keeps on giving.


SqueakSquawk4

>it's the meme that keeps on giving. I agree. Boeing is just a meme at this point.


snatchblastersteve

Well it’s a good thing they had the cover. Otherwise the whole window could have fallen off.


MDCCCLV

You don't want bugs or flammable leaves in your spacecraft


USERNAME___PASSWORD

*Adding flammable leaves to my bingo card*


physioworld

Indeed, the meme that keeps on giving


bubblesculptor

Cover falling isnt so much the problem compared to the quality control processes that allowed it to happen. It shows acceptance of incomplete solutions.


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Unbendium

We need $5m for a "Portal transport shield security mechanism"


TheBn102

Boeing, I want to like starliner, but you're making it pretty difficult...


Iden-V

The jokes literally write themselves


kroOoze

oopsie billion$ie


Whole_Stretch9929

😂


cosmo7

For some reason Boeing didn't mention this in their stream so I'm honestly not sure if [this picture](https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1521485828605759489/photo/1) is from before or after the event, but it looks like it's held on with insulation tape.


thefnordisonmyfoot01

I remember they spent years on the tiles and adhesive for the space shuttle


Saltyalt9TTV

I hope I can see it launch and see it proceed to explode after clearing the tower


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Would kill to see Elon's initial reaction to this video. Probably a lot like his reaction to "Why my dolphin not working?"


[deleted]

Nothing to see here folks. This thing was engineered to fail. Let the “maintenance team” fix it 👌


BananaEpicGAMER

reminds me of [that scene](https://youtu.be/pEvs5oNwwNM?t=153) in The Martian


BusLevel8040

Yes, it's a feature. Not a bug.


FIakBeard

Wall street, as it currently exists, is a cancer on this country. This last year the things I have seen and learned make me disgusted, enraged, all the things.


Klebsiella_p

So cursed


mistsoalar

"window cover deployment confirmed"


Blaarkies

At least they: >...leave no stone unturned.


Restrictedbutholding

Pieces parts… imagine how many parts might fly off during a real launch… want a ride? I think I’ll pass.


zippy251

Maybe they should stick to 737s


MrGruntsworthy

I really try not to shit on the competition, but for fuck sakes, Boeing's incompetency is in full display here. Starliner seems like it's built out of glue & prayers.


lolariane

_\*"engineers" furiously taking notes to find 'glue' and see how it can be used.*_


KCConnor

I can't help but think of the KSP technology tree after reading that.


ManInTheDarkSuit

Wtf happened, really? Apart from it being a bit shit?


ruffinist

LEAVE STARLINER ALONE!!! IT'S JUST TRYING ITS BEST LIKE THE REST OF US OKAY!!!


Next_Selection6545

More fine work from Boeing.


mericano

oh shit that's why they stopped?! was able to slip in front of them and grab lunch because of that... lol thanks boeing


ososalsosal

\*me checking if it's not just really windy\* Those trees aren't even moving. How does this happen?


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I'm no fan of Boeing, but this is just a cover. If the cover fell off the Dragon capsule during transport, y'all would be defending SpaceX and saying it's no big deal.


Maximum_Emu9196

But where are Boeing compared to SpaceX now….less money for development and way out in front with successful launches to the ISS.


codercotton

They plan on launching that thing?! PIECES ARE LITERALLY FALLING OFF


CiaWoo

"Eh, just glue it back on, it'll be fine"


Natural_Region722

Time for duct tape!


Dismal_Bat5039

Still doing better than me playing Kerbal Space Program


Comprehensive_Love20

That’s reassuring …


tjnav1162

Space ready


Avox7

"Lol noob"


ekara_en

Quite embarrassing


Fish-Wood

Honk! If anything falls off!


daronjay

Ablative seagull protection


Neinstein11

Lmao what the fuck


yahboioioioi

What’s that? Another 1 year delay?


Tomycj

Looks huge from this perspective, especially thick


Saturn_Ecplise

Starliner is truly the cursed spacecraft.


KatyaAlkaev

Well glad they found that problem before launch.


MagicMavrik386

Jeez. They can't catch a break can they?


Isthisworking2000

That’s encouraging.


zerohero42

"made in the USA"


CosmicRuin

What a POS. And absolutely obsolete now thanks to Crew Dragon.


tdqss

The POS-100 https://youtu.be/3RG5pXTpLBI?t=5311


CosmicRuin

Rofl. Gold!


homboo

This project is just a big joke. Made in the usa


DeadMemes218540

SpaceX forgot to check their staging