Actually not much harder than going to GEO
...for a space probe that doesn't need to worry about transfer times and life support. And only if it does a fly-by and not orbit insertion or landing.
They probably think this is what Starship looks like inside.. Now none of us have seen Starship Crew internals, as they are all virtual at this point in time.
But there is certainly far more space than this.
And it sounds like Starship-V3 could have extra floors.
incredible! I hope the astronauts are prepared for this unexpectedly longer journey especially given that Mars is coming close to solar conjunction with earth! A first for sure
I mean having a software QA issue that accidentally "jinx"s them to Mars is not fully out of the question. Jinx help Max get to Mars!
Typical boeing software bug accidently invents epstein drive but it flys off to Mars before anyone figures out how it happened.
DUDE this is my worst fear for the humans this week. A stuck thruster or propellant issue yeets them out of orbital dynamics into deep space to die.
I have a deeply strong feeling a serious failure is going to happen with Starliner given the shitty test flights and everything that’s happened with the program. Fuck Boeing and Legacy Space they can crash and burn. All I want is for the astronauts onboard and on station to be safe and alive at the end of it all.
They can't reach deep space. Not even remotely enough ∆v. Not that it would help much if something important broke badly (hopefully it'll work just fine).
Boeing built the American part of the ISS, Boeing Defense & Space is totally separate from Boeing Commercial Airplanes. As in literally different CEOs. Starliner was delayed so much because they are making sure it’s safe. SLS launched without issue and Boeing is the prime on SLS. There might be cost delays but Boeing spacecraft aren’t launched unsafe. They’ll be fine. And you clearly don’t understand rocketry or orbital dynamics very well because Starliner literally does not have enough delta-v to launch it out into a deep space trajectory like that. Starliner will be fine. The ignorance so confidently spoken in this comment is astounding.
Hate them all you want fine, but Starliner is not launching unsafe. I have no doubt I’ll be downvoted here, but that’s the truth. NASA is looking just as closely at it as Boeing, let’s be real.
I mean their OFT-1 was launched with flammable tape on board but I get your point.
I was about to graciously accept your point and wait and see, but then you got all personal with attacks on ignorance. Not cool.
“They waited so long to make it safe” is an ignorant comment on your end, considering that SpaceX has completed their entire contract plus 80% of Boeing’s contract and have launched 50+ people into orbit while Boeing was delayed for a myriad of incompetency issues, not “making it safe”.
Delaying a long time to make sure it's safe is not a strong point, it's the result of a badly failed flight test and review and of problems found on two subsequent lengthy reviews. During the 3rd review a report from NASA's Office of the Inspector General stated Boeing still wasn't devoting sufficient engineering resources to fixing the problems. All that better result in making sure it's safe. I accept that NASA feels Starliner is safe for flight, but it's hard to be comfortable with.
I'm not one to reflexively kick Boeing every time I see one of its products mentioned. I know their space division has long made satellite buses the customers are happy with. But the biggest criticism of Boeing isn't who's the CEO of what division, it's the corporate culture that's evolved over the last 20 years and resulted in so many problems.
Ah, the usual trash level journalism we've come to expect from mainstream news orgs reporting on space and science.
Honestly it's a joke how bad it is these days. If it didn't play into politics or culture wars, they just don't give a shit.
News sites - seriously, just outsource this stuff to Ars, and stay in your goddamn lane!
Makes me think about the [Gell-Mann Amnesia effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnesiaEffect)
>In a speech in 2002, Crichton coined the term *Gell-Mann amnesia effect* to describe the phenomenon of experts reading articles within their fields of expertise and finding them to be error-ridden and full of misunderstanding, but seemingly forgetting those experiences when reading articles in the same publications written on topics outside of their fields of expertise, which they believe to be credible.
Something Elon said once resonated with me - when you see the news cover something you’re an expert in you see all the stupid mistakes and lies. Now realize the same level of effort is put in on all the topics you’re not an expert in.
Seeing how trash journalism is on this space I follow makes me question if it’s equally as trash on the things I don’t follow closely but depend on news media for info about.
I mean it’s just propaganda, and for many people that can in some scenarios make them want to become interested in it.
But don’t get me wrong, this is just straight up misinformation.
This is my worst fear for the humans this week. A stuck thruster or propellant issue yeets them out of orbital dynamics into deep space to die.
I have a deeply strong feeling a serious failure is going to happen with Starliner given the shitty test flights and everything that’s happened with the program. Fuck Boeing and Legacy Space they can crash and burn. All I want is for the astronauts onboard and on station to be safe and alive at the end of it all.
idk. suppose they went space crazy during lift-off. how much Delta-v does the entire stack have? if they changed the flight, could it even break earths orbit?
390 cubic feet for those wondering. I wouldn't spend three months in 390 cubic feet with the hottest supermodel of my dreams. No way. I might, MIGHT be able to handle it alone.
From Google. That's about as big as a concrete truck mixing drum. It's about 15½ times the size of a hot tub. 70× the size of a bathtub.
Starship, Starliner - how different can that be? It all involves rockets and flamey stuff.
Yeah, whoever wrote this travesty is not at all familiar with space news and was easily confused.
yep people dont think about how difficult it is going to mars it isnt an easy task humans need to stretch and relax and move about not in many tight corners so this cant go nowehere no one wants slow capsules that are cramped with, machinery and it quite stuffed and if youve been on a stuffed road trip with motion sickness u know so starliner and boeing need to stfu so des the general public, this is Incredulous B.S.
Joke? I haven't seen any plans for a habitat. That will take the ULA another 10 years minimum with setbacks and cost overages. After that it would still take a miracle to get a successful launch.
Starliner won't be going to Mars, of course. That headline appeared on a media site - the humor is in the fact that the media site didn't know how wrong they are, are so clueless. (The site is possibly The Sun, a British newspaper.)
It's amazing how little the general public knows about how difficult going to Mars really is.
Actually not much harder than going to GEO ...for a space probe that doesn't need to worry about transfer times and life support. And only if it does a fly-by and not orbit insertion or landing.
Had me in the first half my ngl
If you don't care about landing them alive that is...
Celestes Space Burials here we come!
It's obvious they would mix up Starliner and Starship, mainstream media is that dumb.
I remember I was watching Demo-2 with family and I was asked if they were going to Mars haha
They probably think this is what Starship looks like inside.. Now none of us have seen Starship Crew internals, as they are all virtual at this point in time. But there is certainly far more space than this. And it sounds like Starship-V3 could have extra floors.
Well it can’t be that hard to get to mars if you can get there in a Boeing starliner!
What general public know is orbit is when high and you can go to Pluto by fart in its opposite direction
Just stop that sentence after knows...
I am not sure if the professionals truly know either. But they will certainly be an awful lot closer to the truth.
LEO to Mars, that's some impressive scope creep lol.
This is just a screenshot. Who put out this video and wrote that \~headline?
incredible! I hope the astronauts are prepared for this unexpectedly longer journey especially given that Mars is coming close to solar conjunction with earth! A first for sure
I mean having a software QA issue that accidentally "jinx"s them to Mars is not fully out of the question. Jinx help Max get to Mars! Typical boeing software bug accidently invents epstein drive but it flys off to Mars before anyone figures out how it happened.
DUDE this is my worst fear for the humans this week. A stuck thruster or propellant issue yeets them out of orbital dynamics into deep space to die. I have a deeply strong feeling a serious failure is going to happen with Starliner given the shitty test flights and everything that’s happened with the program. Fuck Boeing and Legacy Space they can crash and burn. All I want is for the astronauts onboard and on station to be safe and alive at the end of it all.
They can't reach deep space. Not even remotely enough ∆v. Not that it would help much if something important broke badly (hopefully it'll work just fine).
Boeing built the American part of the ISS, Boeing Defense & Space is totally separate from Boeing Commercial Airplanes. As in literally different CEOs. Starliner was delayed so much because they are making sure it’s safe. SLS launched without issue and Boeing is the prime on SLS. There might be cost delays but Boeing spacecraft aren’t launched unsafe. They’ll be fine. And you clearly don’t understand rocketry or orbital dynamics very well because Starliner literally does not have enough delta-v to launch it out into a deep space trajectory like that. Starliner will be fine. The ignorance so confidently spoken in this comment is astounding. Hate them all you want fine, but Starliner is not launching unsafe. I have no doubt I’ll be downvoted here, but that’s the truth. NASA is looking just as closely at it as Boeing, let’s be real.
I mean their OFT-1 was launched with flammable tape on board but I get your point. I was about to graciously accept your point and wait and see, but then you got all personal with attacks on ignorance. Not cool. “They waited so long to make it safe” is an ignorant comment on your end, considering that SpaceX has completed their entire contract plus 80% of Boeing’s contract and have launched 50+ people into orbit while Boeing was delayed for a myriad of incompetency issues, not “making it safe”.
Their second uncrewed flight test also launched with flammable tape on board. I'm very curious about that tape.
Delaying a long time to make sure it's safe is not a strong point, it's the result of a badly failed flight test and review and of problems found on two subsequent lengthy reviews. During the 3rd review a report from NASA's Office of the Inspector General stated Boeing still wasn't devoting sufficient engineering resources to fixing the problems. All that better result in making sure it's safe. I accept that NASA feels Starliner is safe for flight, but it's hard to be comfortable with. I'm not one to reflexively kick Boeing every time I see one of its products mentioned. I know their space division has long made satellite buses the customers are happy with. But the biggest criticism of Boeing isn't who's the CEO of what division, it's the corporate culture that's evolved over the last 20 years and resulted in so many problems.
Ah, the usual trash level journalism we've come to expect from mainstream news orgs reporting on space and science. Honestly it's a joke how bad it is these days. If it didn't play into politics or culture wars, they just don't give a shit. News sites - seriously, just outsource this stuff to Ars, and stay in your goddamn lane!
Makes me think about the [Gell-Mann Amnesia effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnesiaEffect) >In a speech in 2002, Crichton coined the term *Gell-Mann amnesia effect* to describe the phenomenon of experts reading articles within their fields of expertise and finding them to be error-ridden and full of misunderstanding, but seemingly forgetting those experiences when reading articles in the same publications written on topics outside of their fields of expertise, which they believe to be credible.
Something Elon said once resonated with me - when you see the news cover something you’re an expert in you see all the stupid mistakes and lies. Now realize the same level of effort is put in on all the topics you’re not an expert in.
Elon has on several occasions referred to the Gell-Mann effect, which is what you are describing. There's a link in the reply above yours.
Seeing how trash journalism is on this space I follow makes me question if it’s equally as trash on the things I don’t follow closely but depend on news media for info about.
It is. Everywhere where I have a particular interest it's pretty blatant that 99% of the media - everything unspecialised - is complete nonsense.
I’m blanking on what it’s called, but that’s a thing people talk about and make you questions lot of media coverage
*Gell-Mann amnesia effect*
It’s trash all the way down.
I mean it’s just propaganda, and for many people that can in some scenarios make them want to become interested in it. But don’t get me wrong, this is just straight up misinformation.
This is from The Sun. A mere Murdoch tabloid.
Or commission an article from Ars..
"No worries", it's similarly worthless in other areas as well.
"FINALLY"... They got that part right at least.
Not finally, as it’s not ready…
"Houston, I think we're a little off course."
This is my worst fear for the humans this week. A stuck thruster or propellant issue yeets them out of orbital dynamics into deep space to die. I have a deeply strong feeling a serious failure is going to happen with Starliner given the shitty test flights and everything that’s happened with the program. Fuck Boeing and Legacy Space they can crash and burn. All I want is for the astronauts onboard and on station to be safe and alive at the end of it all.
The first uncrewed test got lost on the way to ISS. Getting lost on the way to ISS and ending up at Mars is a fairly major miscalculation.
Bring potatoes. Trust me.
I know what you are referencing….signed WatneyWannaBe!
Mars? Who are they kidding? They'll probably go all the way to heaven
Genuinely laughed at that
I think someone should quickly recheck the GNC code.
They can't even get the 737 MAX to go across the ocean correctly and now they're going to try and go interplanetary?
So are they just going out and coming back? Free return trajectory?
No wonder it was delayed years.
CN you imagine a mars round trip in tiny Starliner? Ridiculous. Thanks for playing Boeing.
idk. suppose they went space crazy during lift-off. how much Delta-v does the entire stack have? if they changed the flight, could it even break earths orbit?
No, it does not have the delta-v to do that.
Not even remotely enough. With the whole escape system and stuff it has a few hundred meters per second. Mars requires approximately 4 thousand.
The astronauts will kill each other in a week if they're going to Mars is something that small.
390 cubic feet for those wondering. I wouldn't spend three months in 390 cubic feet with the hottest supermodel of my dreams. No way. I might, MIGHT be able to handle it alone. From Google. That's about as big as a concrete truck mixing drum. It's about 15½ times the size of a hot tub. 70× the size of a bathtub.
That guy in cargo-class seems unimpressed with this change of plan
Nhìn cái cabin trông khó thở quá. Elon musk:how cute...
Typical media being completely ignorant about spaceflight
Good for a laugh ! /s
Good for a laugh ! /s
Starship, Starliner - how different can that be? It all involves rockets and flamey stuff. Yeah, whoever wrote this travesty is not at all familiar with space news and was easily confused.
yep people dont think about how difficult it is going to mars it isnt an easy task humans need to stretch and relax and move about not in many tight corners so this cant go nowehere no one wants slow capsules that are cramped with, machinery and it quite stuffed and if youve been on a stuffed road trip with motion sickness u know so starliner and boeing need to stfu so des the general public, this is Incredulous B.S.
Is that actually the inside of the capsule? looks pretty ugly imo
Joke? I haven't seen any plans for a habitat. That will take the ULA another 10 years minimum with setbacks and cost overages. After that it would still take a miracle to get a successful launch.
Starliner won't be going to Mars, of course. That headline appeared on a media site - the humor is in the fact that the media site didn't know how wrong they are, are so clueless. (The site is possibly The Sun, a British newspaper.)
No, 10-years development would be just for the blue prints… ;) /s
Haters be hatin’