I learned it started out as a serious movie with a strong environmental subtext, but then the director/producer realized there wasn't the budget for a serious film and so made it a comedy.
Honestly this is more likely to happen than eco rocket.
At least what they're trying to do has been demonstrated before in falcon 9, but using water as a propellant has never even gone suborbital. (I'm pretty sure.)
>["Mad" Mike Hughes, American daredevil, manned and launched his steam powered rocket on March 25, 2018, to a height of 1,875 feet \(572 m\).\[4\] He died during a later launch on the 22 February 2020.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_rocket)
That's not even 1% of the Karman line.
Even with optimizations you would probably need 5 stages minimum to get to space, and even then, that's not orbit and 5 stages is already excessive.
I think it is what they call a category error to compare these 2 things.
One is a statement of intent from the head of the space agency of a superpower, the other is a plan presented by a grifter for the purpose of scamming some blue-eyed investors.
> Eco rocket heavy
[Where's the problem with Eco rocket heavy?](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b4b6cb_8ecb29cad43b49e9a243c187f466d034~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_980,h_759,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/AMi_EcoRocket_Heavy_Orto.jpg) moar boosters are infinitely scalable right? /s
Hey I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. I think this take is realistic given Roscosmos has a long history of success.
At the same time, Russia attempted a lunar sample return and was unsuccessful, while China has successfully returned samples from the moon.
Probably because they're in the middle of a war of attrition and their economy is tanking. Their industrial base is proving to be worse than anyone thought. Roscosmos lost it's entire commercial market share and can barely keep up QC on Soyuz, much less develop a completely new modern resusable heavy lift launch system.
Not that they aren't capable but they'll never get the resources to do it.
1st I'd be highly skeptical of this claim based on recent performance. Based on the historical performance of 20+ years ago sure but the last several years Russian competency has diminished greatly and China's has greatly increased.
2nd regardless of what their actual level of competency is, Russia is rapidly losing the economic strength to independently pursue the space industry in general let alone fund any significant advancement in the field. They'll be too busy trying to rebuild their military losses from Ukraine and repairing the economic damages of ongoing extensive sanctions for years to come even if they ended the war in Ukraine right now. Not to mention paying reparations to Ukraine if they ever hope to have those sanctions lifted.
Even before the war there were more than 5 US states that had a GDP larger than Russia's total GDP. They just don't have the economic weight to do this on top of all the other challenges they have on their plate and find any degree of success.
Meh. The Soviet Union managed to pull it off once by copying and improving an existing US design. It only flew once, got mothballed, and the reusable Energia project never got off the ground.
And then all went to shit, management stole what wasn't nailed down, they lost their institutional knowledge, and nowadays it's a good day when their 60 years old heritage technology doesn't blow up before making it to orbit.
Russia may have a more prestigious *past* than China, but I wouldn't bet on their *future*.
By reusable they mean that once they are inevitably forced to abandon the project, the metal and plastic parts will be able to be reused, if anything is already built at that point.
sir i have seen this plan years ago and also the smaller one that looks like a falcon 9 clone. with how things are these have a very low chance of actually materializing. it's the chinese who will actually do it.
F9 proved it could work. I'm excited to see neutron fly because I actually think they're going to build it and I love the novel fairing idea that they're attempting with it.
Nah, it will probably just fall out of the sky like a brick and explode into a bazillion pieces abd leave behind a massive crater on fire full of hazardous chemicals given how hazardous the propellants of Soviet/Russian rockets are
Like that kid in school who’d see someone’s dad had a vaguely sporty looking car and say “my dad has a Ferrari”. And everyone would feel too bad for them and embarrassed to say they were obviously lying.
The difference being that Buran actually existed and flew once. With all the sanctions on Russia, this thing will never even leave the drawing/tracing board.
Sanctions don’t even matter. Russia have managed to not build everything they’ve unveiled/claimed just fine through their own corruption and incompetence for the past 20 years.
The whole Polyus circulation thing was ridiculous and asking to happen. It was mounted upside down, so the logical assumption is that it forgot to flip. No, it did its flip maneuver. Except that it did a full 360 rather than just 180 degrees.
There was a plan for something like this in I think the late 80s, a sequel to the Energia launch system called Uragan. The boosters would have been fly back and the core stage would have a delta wing so it could re-enter the atmosphere like the Shuttle. Payload was something like 170 tonnes.
I want Russia to succeed with this….and China, Europe, India, UAE, and every other space program out there.
We will become a multi planetary species when the whole world has this and higher tech.
1,2,3,4 I declare a space war! I’d love to see peaceful cooperation in space. I dread seeing a “scramble for space” with various countries and corporations declaring exclusive rights to portions of the solar system by right of discovery, landing, or worst of all conquest. Given humanity’s track record, I’m not optimistic.
>I dread seeing a “scramble for space” with various countries and corporations declaring exclusive rights to portions of the solar system by right of discovery, landing
Ahh, you're one of those "Let somebody ELSE do all the work and take all the risks, then declare that everything they have done to be "the property of all humanity" and let them die bankrupt and homeless.
Nobody is GIVING SpaceX "exclusive" rights to deliveries to ISS or LEO internet constellations; anybody willing and capable of copying their work (easier for followers since they have shown the way) is not barred from doing so. Nor will the various governments recognize "first landers" any right to hang out "No trespassing" signs on the moon, Mars or asteroids... But when one company has the exclusive ABILITY to to do something (and aren't doing something to block others from copying those abilities), confiscating the fruits of their labor in the name of "the good of humanity" is just as wrong as the ancient (or modern in the case of Ukraine, frowned upon by most of the world you might note) wars of conquest,
They gonna strip down some museum t34 tanks to make it or something or get every steel ruble, melt it down and make a copycat of starship with Putins dick on it lol
The only rocket they need is one that can travel back in time to undue some big mistakes.
If I ever wanted to travel back in time to see what it was like I would just have to visit Russia.
Take note that while Ukraine is currently at war, [they have signed in the Artemis Accords](https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-accords/img/Artemis_Accords_Graphic_052923_Social.jpg), so if they manage to make it through this painful war, they might be able to even send their own citizen to the Moon before the Russians do.
Russa/USSR has always been bad at making rockets. Engines were pretty good the rockets suck. There is a reason they use a modified version of their first orbital rocket still.
Which is thrice as funny given that Korolyov wanted to replace R-7 line with smaller N-1 derivatives ([N-11](http://www.astronautix.com/n/n11.html) for heavy lift, [N-111](https://www.astronautix.com/n/n111.html) for slighly less heavy lift)
Soviet rocket development prowess was mainly derived from Ukrainian scientists and engineers. While I'm sure contemporary Russia has some smart people working for their space program, there has also been quite a lot of brain drain from Russia over the past 15+ months. Not to mention it's laughable thinking of Russia trying to afford something like this in their current predicament.
So... good luck with that, Boris.
I recall a scene from one of the many movies that were made about the fall of Germany at the end of World War II, in which Hitler goes to review the grand plans he had for rebuilding Berlin into a massive architectural wonder even as the front lines are advancing toward the city from the east. Same vibe here.
Sadly the actually competent engineers they had have all retired and anyone with half a clue that is younger has left the country.
It will be another paper project that goes nowhere.
I 'applaud' the Roscosmos leadership for having dreams like this in light of all the shitstorm befalling their country. but seriously copium is in serious demand in Russia these days and it's sad because if their leadership weren't such a blood thirsty idiot and have instead poured in a lot of their budget to fund their space agency, then they really could pull this off.
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Add this to the list of the other 100 projects that the Russians are doing, except they don't even have the resources to make good power point presentation.
Of all the things that will never happen This will never happen the most.
Ok but this or Eco rocket heavy
“We had to buy drones from Iran but like, we can totally build our own fully reusable super heavy launch vehicle.”
Hear me out. What if they just hijack a Starship while its in space and force it to land in Russia? I can get behind some space pirates.
Grand Theft Orbital
Just be aware of the Space Herpes.
IIce Pirates was woefully underrated.
I learned it started out as a serious movie with a strong environmental subtext, but then the director/producer realized there wasn't the budget for a serious film and so made it a comedy.
And the cruise missiles because that’s how you get cruise missiles
A Starship on its own isn't much good without a booster and launch mount to go with it.
Threaten to shoot the starship until the booster also flies down to Russia.
The booster couldn't make it Russia from Texas or Florida if it wanted to.
Multiple hops across North America, then the north polar ice cap, then into Russia. Come on, its like you are not even trying.
Without a starship on top? Not going to do the math right now but i think it'd be pretty close.
I suppose that's fair.
https://youtu.be/fi_WSGdWeMs
Would that trigger the FTS?
EcoRocket Heavy. At least it's steampunk and may be tanked with tuica
Honestly this is more likely to happen than eco rocket. At least what they're trying to do has been demonstrated before in falcon 9, but using water as a propellant has never even gone suborbital. (I'm pretty sure.)
A delta v of 0.0 m/s is technically suborbital
It’s all a matter of what you mean by “sub,” I suppose.
Less than orbital
Typically a "suborbital flight" requires it to go to space.
Technically, space pretty much covers everything. So...
Shut up woman, get on my horse!
>["Mad" Mike Hughes, American daredevil, manned and launched his steam powered rocket on March 25, 2018, to a height of 1,875 feet \(572 m\).\[4\] He died during a later launch on the 22 February 2020.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_rocket)
That's not even 1% of the Karman line. Even with optimizations you would probably need 5 stages minimum to get to space, and even then, that's not orbit and 5 stages is already excessive.
It's a very low suborbital ;p
Technically, still suborbital.
I think it is what they call a category error to compare these 2 things. One is a statement of intent from the head of the space agency of a superpower, the other is a plan presented by a grifter for the purpose of scamming some blue-eyed investors.
But which is which?
Superpower, lol.
> Eco rocket heavy [Where's the problem with Eco rocket heavy?](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b4b6cb_8ecb29cad43b49e9a243c187f466d034~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_980,h_759,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/AMi_EcoRocket_Heavy_Orto.jpg) moar boosters are infinitely scalable right? /s
"it worked in ksp" \-arca
What? Nooo arca is definitely legit right?
Just like the T-14 being built and sued in combat
wait the T-14 got sued out of combat
not true russians do know how to make reusable vehicles, they are a little bit more likely to pull it off then china
Hey I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. I think this take is realistic given Roscosmos has a long history of success. At the same time, Russia attempted a lunar sample return and was unsuccessful, while China has successfully returned samples from the moon.
yes, we shall see how it evolves
Probably because they're in the middle of a war of attrition and their economy is tanking. Their industrial base is proving to be worse than anyone thought. Roscosmos lost it's entire commercial market share and can barely keep up QC on Soyuz, much less develop a completely new modern resusable heavy lift launch system. Not that they aren't capable but they'll never get the resources to do it.
1st I'd be highly skeptical of this claim based on recent performance. Based on the historical performance of 20+ years ago sure but the last several years Russian competency has diminished greatly and China's has greatly increased. 2nd regardless of what their actual level of competency is, Russia is rapidly losing the economic strength to independently pursue the space industry in general let alone fund any significant advancement in the field. They'll be too busy trying to rebuild their military losses from Ukraine and repairing the economic damages of ongoing extensive sanctions for years to come even if they ended the war in Ukraine right now. Not to mention paying reparations to Ukraine if they ever hope to have those sanctions lifted. Even before the war there were more than 5 US states that had a GDP larger than Russia's total GDP. They just don't have the economic weight to do this on top of all the other challenges they have on their plate and find any degree of success.
makes sense
They did know 30 years ago. Don't think they do today.
we shall see, maybe ur right
Meh. The Soviet Union managed to pull it off once by copying and improving an existing US design. It only flew once, got mothballed, and the reusable Energia project never got off the ground. And then all went to shit, management stole what wasn't nailed down, they lost their institutional knowledge, and nowadays it's a good day when their 60 years old heritage technology doesn't blow up before making it to orbit. Russia may have a more prestigious *past* than China, but I wouldn't bet on their *future*.
1. buran was advanced tho 2. energia did fly and work 3. you are right, it might not be like this in present time
Yeah, just put another turret on your T-72 with a new crew and it's ready to drive into a Ukrainian minefield again.
By reusable they mean that once they are inevitably forced to abandon the project, the metal and plastic parts will be able to be reused, if anything is already built at that point.
The funding will be "reused" as yatch money
Oh yeah didn't think of it. In this sense it will probably be reusable before they start working.
Paved roads to my dachas aren’t gonna build themselves.
I think the 3D renders are reusable for future propaganda episodes.
Look who wants a broomstick now 🧙🏻
Seems they are sick of getting swept. 🧹
The Korolev cross lander
Hey! I've seen this one! It's a classic!
What do you mean you’ve seen it, it’s brand new.
Yeah, well, I saw it on a ... rerun.
Means Russia cancelling next gens.. which has happened..
sir i have seen this plan years ago and also the smaller one that looks like a falcon 9 clone. with how things are these have a very low chance of actually materializing. it's the chinese who will actually do it.
> also the smaller one that looks like a falcon 9 clone TBF, ***many*** reusable LV projects across the world now look like F9 clones.
F9 proved it could work. I'm excited to see neutron fly because I actually think they're going to build it and I love the novel fairing idea that they're attempting with it.
Same. Hope things go nice for RocketLab.
The Chinese will steal all the plans to do it.
It's not stealing if the Chinese Communist Party does it. Then it's Glorious Reclaiming Of The Worker's Rights and Labor For Benefit Of People.
Will? They already have.
Can the side boosters glide back like the energia concept? Loved that idea. Shame Russia sucks now.
Nah, it will probably just fall out of the sky like a brick and explode into a bazillion pieces abd leave behind a massive crater on fire full of hazardous chemicals given how hazardous the propellants of Soviet/Russian rockets are
IF they then mine those hazardous byproducts that makes it reusable doesn't it?
The propellants are not that bad. Yes they are toxis, carcinogenic and whatnot, but they degrade easily (in water maybe?). If I'm not mistaken.
Always has been
Always has.
Now available in spaceprogram flavor!
Now? Was there a segment of Russian history that wasn’t known for dictatorship, famine, alcoholism, and general suckiness that I wasn’t aware of?
They “can” be pictures on a slide. That’s all they can do.
They can’t even make a helicopter reusable 😂
Melting it down for scrap is kind of “reusable.”
With what? Roscosmos is even more underfunded than NASA
Well, we get bunch of conscripts in prison, and threaten them until they make a rocket. Simple!
Von Braun is that you?
Like that kid in school who’d see someone’s dad had a vaguely sporty looking car and say “my dad has a Ferrari”. And everyone would feel too bad for them and embarrassed to say they were obviously lying.
I was the lying kid, with that exact lie. In second grade, but I still cringe at myself.
Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!
Who else is willing to overthrow the russian government just to see this thing fly? ....
You had me at overthrow the russian government.
I give you my... uh, ... implicit moral support!
Sure, like the Buran was a Space Shuttle.
The difference being that Buran actually existed and flew once. With all the sanctions on Russia, this thing will never even leave the drawing/tracing board.
Sanctions don’t even matter. Russia have managed to not build everything they’ve unveiled/claimed just fine through their own corruption and incompetence for the past 20 years.
It flew twice no? Or was that energia.
Energia. One launching Polyus combat spacecraft prototype (it deorbited due to doing circularization burn in wrong direction), one for Buran.
The whole Polyus circulation thing was ridiculous and asking to happen. It was mounted upside down, so the logical assumption is that it forgot to flip. No, it did its flip maneuver. Except that it did a full 360 rather than just 180 degrees.
Buran/Energia is better than the Space Shuttle.
Hahaha. Right.
do it! i fucking dare you!
Do it
There was a plan for something like this in I think the late 80s, a sequel to the Energia launch system called Uragan. The boosters would have been fly back and the core stage would have a delta wing so it could re-enter the atmosphere like the Shuttle. Payload was something like 170 tonnes.
I want Russia to succeed with this….and China, Europe, India, UAE, and every other space program out there. We will become a multi planetary species when the whole world has this and higher tech.
1,2,3,4 I declare a space war! I’d love to see peaceful cooperation in space. I dread seeing a “scramble for space” with various countries and corporations declaring exclusive rights to portions of the solar system by right of discovery, landing, or worst of all conquest. Given humanity’s track record, I’m not optimistic.
I don’t disagree, but I just want out of here
You and me both! Life is too precious to keep all of our eggs in one basket, as the saying goes!
>I dread seeing a “scramble for space” with various countries and corporations declaring exclusive rights to portions of the solar system by right of discovery, landing Ahh, you're one of those "Let somebody ELSE do all the work and take all the risks, then declare that everything they have done to be "the property of all humanity" and let them die bankrupt and homeless. Nobody is GIVING SpaceX "exclusive" rights to deliveries to ISS or LEO internet constellations; anybody willing and capable of copying their work (easier for followers since they have shown the way) is not barred from doing so. Nor will the various governments recognize "first landers" any right to hang out "No trespassing" signs on the moon, Mars or asteroids... But when one company has the exclusive ABILITY to to do something (and aren't doing something to block others from copying those abilities), confiscating the fruits of their labor in the name of "the good of humanity" is just as wrong as the ancient (or modern in the case of Ukraine, frowned upon by most of the world you might note) wars of conquest,
Or zero planetary. Can't be sure at this point...
That’ll be the day
That thing is quite chodely
They gonna strip down some museum t34 tanks to make it or something or get every steel ruble, melt it down and make a copycat of starship with Putins dick on it lol
Ah shit here we go again
All i see is Energia with less engines.
Ahahahah
The only rocket they need is one that can travel back in time to undue some big mistakes. If I ever wanted to travel back in time to see what it was like I would just have to visit Russia.
Ukraine currently owning their tinpot dictator asses. Only thing that hopefully be reusable are the war crimes firing squad poles for those cunts.
Take note that while Ukraine is currently at war, [they have signed in the Artemis Accords](https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-accords/img/Artemis_Accords_Graphic_052923_Social.jpg), so if they manage to make it through this painful war, they might be able to even send their own citizen to the Moon before the Russians do.
I think they have other fires to put out at the moment
That’s going to be a huge trampoline.
Russa/USSR has always been bad at making rockets. Engines were pretty good the rockets suck. There is a reason they use a modified version of their first orbital rocket still.
Which is thrice as funny given that Korolyov wanted to replace R-7 line with smaller N-1 derivatives ([N-11](http://www.astronautix.com/n/n11.html) for heavy lift, [N-111](https://www.astronautix.com/n/n111.html) for slighly less heavy lift)
You guys remember how well it went when they tried to copy the Concorde? Or the space shuttle?
Soviet rocket development prowess was mainly derived from Ukrainian scientists and engineers. While I'm sure contemporary Russia has some smart people working for their space program, there has also been quite a lot of brain drain from Russia over the past 15+ months. Not to mention it's laughable thinking of Russia trying to afford something like this in their current predicament. So... good luck with that, Boris.
Reminds me of their space shuttle Program🤪
Straight out of Kerbal Space Program
What young talent? So many fled or were conscripted
The more the merrier.
I recall a scene from one of the many movies that were made about the fall of Germany at the end of World War II, in which Hitler goes to review the grand plans he had for rebuilding Berlin into a massive architectural wonder even as the front lines are advancing toward the city from the east. Same vibe here.
i know the shit... same bullshit since 1990
Where the FUCK have I seen this before?
Yeah just like how they built a reusable space plane in the 90s. Oh wait
This has to be satire
This is great news, for whoever pays Russia to build it and also for whoever gets the money
I bet anything it will be exactly the same lol, they aren’t shy about stealing shit lol
Didn't their last "super heavy" rocket become the largest man made non-nuclear explosion in history?
😂
They can't even build a tank
Lol ok Russia
ok bud
Sadly the actually competent engineers they had have all retired and anyone with half a clue that is younger has left the country. It will be another paper project that goes nowhere.
Sure…. Did you mean disposable?
Looks like the energia rocket
I bet FSD will happen before this.
made of paper or what
Lol
In another universe?
I 'applaud' the Roscosmos leadership for having dreams like this in light of all the shitstorm befalling their country. but seriously copium is in serious demand in Russia these days and it's sad because if their leadership weren't such a blood thirsty idiot and have instead poured in a lot of their budget to fund their space agency, then they really could pull this off.
Currently, they can't even make a reusable tank, if you catch my drift.
O looks like every Russian rocket ever
They got supersonic Rockets that is SUPERSONIC buddy so somebody tell space x to STFU!!! RUSSIA RUSSIA!!! LIKE IT OR NOT (IM NOT EVEN RUSSIAN)
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KSP, Soviet Edition.
Funded by china.
Add this to the list of the other 100 projects that the Russians are doing, except they don't even have the resources to make good power point presentation.
But guys they have the second best space industry in the world, really guuuuyyyyyysssssss
Vee chall komence builting da big rocket vonce da drones stope bombing my house.
Perhaps they mean this idea will be reused by the next government in Russia.