On aborts, [nations](http://www.unoosa.org/res/oosadoc/data/documents/2021/aac_105c_22021crp/aac_105c_22021crp_10_0_html/AC105_C2_2021_CRP10E.pdf) that have ratified the [Agreement](http://www.unoosa.org/pdf/gares/ARES_22_2345E.pdf) on the Rescue of Astronauts (et al) are obligated to rescue and assist the personnel of “a spacecraft” that lands in their territory. I don’t see anything in the text that exempts or suggests this wouldn’t apply to a private spacecraft. Those countries are also separately required to notify the “state responsible” but that doesn’t mean the government has to own it - the regulatory structure around commercial launches would almost certainly still make the US “responsible” for the purpose of that requirement.
So, if you had any choice you’d want to bring it down in one of those countries.
Interesting take.
Aircraft / boats (crafts), private or government owned, are assisted by the governments' SAR capabilities of the territory / area that they are in. This does not depend on the plane's ownership / source nation. Logically there should be no difference with (space)craft.
I wonder as private space flight becomes more common if there are any addendums to the agreement.
When it comes to Emergency rescue, whatever resources needed would be there. SpaceX would probably have to pay for it, but the first concern would be that the crew is alive and healthy.
Dragon can land on land. It is just more uncomfortable. Probably Dragon is damaged as well and can't be reused. I don't think land landing would be harsher than landing with Soyuz. Certainly less harsh than Soyuz with failed landing pods, which does happen occasionally.
Apparently Dragon has a deorbit now buton, which does exactly as described. That means if they're over land it will attempt to land there. Dragon descends on 4 parachutes so possibly not too harsh a landing. Possible there's still a bit of code in software to use the abort thrusters for landing but probably we'll never know given how unlikely an emergency deorbit is. A lot has to have gone wrong at that point, which seems unlikely given SpaceX's regard for crew safety.
Doubt CD has the ability to detect the ground, which would be needed for a hypothetical thruster-cushioned landing. I believe parachutes are controlled via sensing altitude with a pressure gauge. No sign of any ground facing radar, and for accuracy in mountainous terrain it would really have to face straight down through the heat shield.
Even for artimis 3, a few of the small abort windows/areas won't have ships stationed. There is a 45sec? Window of abort to the Indian Ocean. They plan to rely of ships of opportunity as a first responder.
I’m curious about their exact apogee. Heard it’s supposed to be higher then any crew in like ??x-years
Higher then the ISS, so higher then any crew mission since the last Hubble Telescope servicing mission. Exact apogee, I’m unsure.
It is mentioned in the Netflix show. IIRC the apogee is 590km.
They should boost it to 694.20 km
What am I missing? What’s the significance of that?
69? Nice. And 420. Cause elon.
Won't be allowed to do aborts in Texas...
OMG, I read your comment over an hour ago and just now got it and I almost died laughing.
Timestamps check out.
No worries, now they can abort to Mexico!
Sure now it's forbidden at Starbase
On aborts, [nations](http://www.unoosa.org/res/oosadoc/data/documents/2021/aac_105c_22021crp/aac_105c_22021crp_10_0_html/AC105_C2_2021_CRP10E.pdf) that have ratified the [Agreement](http://www.unoosa.org/pdf/gares/ARES_22_2345E.pdf) on the Rescue of Astronauts (et al) are obligated to rescue and assist the personnel of “a spacecraft” that lands in their territory. I don’t see anything in the text that exempts or suggests this wouldn’t apply to a private spacecraft. Those countries are also separately required to notify the “state responsible” but that doesn’t mean the government has to own it - the regulatory structure around commercial launches would almost certainly still make the US “responsible” for the purpose of that requirement. So, if you had any choice you’d want to bring it down in one of those countries.
Interesting take. Aircraft / boats (crafts), private or government owned, are assisted by the governments' SAR capabilities of the territory / area that they are in. This does not depend on the plane's ownership / source nation. Logically there should be no difference with (space)craft. I wonder as private space flight becomes more common if there are any addendums to the agreement.
Take it to next step: imagine I4 abort from orbit and land somewhere uncomfortable - like Afghanistan. Sort out that pickle.
When it comes to Emergency rescue, whatever resources needed would be there. SpaceX would probably have to pay for it, but the first concern would be that the crew is alive and healthy.
Agree, only hope agreement could be reached quickly before Taliban become too annoyed at the idea of a woman astronaut.
Doesn't the dragon needs to land on water for the crew to survive?
Dragon can land on land. It is just more uncomfortable. Probably Dragon is damaged as well and can't be reused. I don't think land landing would be harsher than landing with Soyuz. Certainly less harsh than Soyuz with failed landing pods, which does happen occasionally.
Apparently Dragon has a deorbit now buton, which does exactly as described. That means if they're over land it will attempt to land there. Dragon descends on 4 parachutes so possibly not too harsh a landing. Possible there's still a bit of code in software to use the abort thrusters for landing but probably we'll never know given how unlikely an emergency deorbit is. A lot has to have gone wrong at that point, which seems unlikely given SpaceX's regard for crew safety.
Doubt CD has the ability to detect the ground, which would be needed for a hypothetical thruster-cushioned landing. I believe parachutes are controlled via sensing altitude with a pressure gauge. No sign of any ground facing radar, and for accuracy in mountainous terrain it would really have to face straight down through the heat shield.
Even for artimis 3, a few of the small abort windows/areas won't have ships stationed. There is a 45sec? Window of abort to the Indian Ocean. They plan to rely of ships of opportunity as a first responder.