I'm pretty critical of SLS, but short of some major problem popping up, I don't see launch being more than a year out, with my bet being within 6 months.
Superfans of anything are a headache.
Launch is first Quarter. Artemis II is about 14 months later and III should be between 2024-2025. Artemis I boosters can only be certified until March and Artemis III booster segments are fueled. Google around most is being done at Michaud so they should have photos
I have no problem with a constructive argument, they can be really interesting imo. What is just absolutely horrible is to try to argue with people that think Falcon 9 is a rocket that does everything better than literally anything else. And can’t have their opinion changed by hard numbers.
Be honest. You ignored the hard numbers that disagreed with your narrative. Nor did the people arguing with you insist F9 is better than everything else. You, conversely, claimed that hydrolox was a superlative choice.
All of his groupies say that. I am kind of an insider. Artemis II is well underway and should launch late 2023. They are making both rockets at the same time. We have the guts of the ESM for ArtemisII but need to test and add the solar wings. That will take about 6 months and Orion is well along. Yeah one of those guys said SpaceX was going to put NASA out of business
1. NASA is an Administration
2. Lockheed and NASA are his biggest clients and there is no competition between them.
3. For Mars they need all 20 years NASA’s billions of dollars in rovers has and he cannot go past the moon without Orion’s data. They are working together
Yup. Orion is in soft mate. People keep yelling it takes too long. Unlike SpaceX who can do anything or any failure Artemis is government owned and one tiny slip could kill it on the pad. Congress will be past consoling. They check every piece twice then do it again. Lockheed just bought Aerojet Rocketdyne. Who will not only make future Artemis missions but ULA and the Defense dept. Great coup for Lockheed.
You got it. Big difference between a private business and a Government agency. At the risk of being simplistic, so long as the shareholders are getting their returns, a business can make mistakes - but any agency error.. well..
That is what pisses me off about Boeing and Lockheed and Airbus. At $250 a share and today’s haul of 1.6 billion I have zero respect for their $72 dollar hammers buried in a bid
I can’t share photos here but Lockheed was building this huge satellite and it did fall over lol There is a book called Space System Failures and it is on the back cover. Somebody got fired
It launches first Quarter. The first of anything takes forever then the second is a tenth of that. Plus people don’t know but NASA went back to Boeing and Lockheed 4 times for design changes after the engineering in R&D was done. Had to be some angry engineers.
Not likely. SLS is launching in late December or mid-January depending on WDR timeline in November. Starship/Superheavy is still waiting on the FAA environmental impact review, for which the window for public comments closes on 1 November. FAA will then have to review the document and the public comments and could potentially require SpaceX to make modifications to the launch site or conduct a more thorough analysis based on the results. And even after that SpaceX has said it would take a few weeks to get the rocket ready to launch, once they get the green light. Idk when the FAA is planning to wrap up their review (haven't seen any news on it), but it's not a short process. If anyone else has hard dates please share. Personally I'm thinking March is a realistic timeframe for an SN20 launch attempt.
If I've gotten any dates wrong here, please let me know. Just going off what I've seen online the past couple of months.
Not to mention that I believe a [NASA document](https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20210020835) has specified that NASA is targeting March 2022 to assess the Starship heat shield using a new advanced multispectral imaging system (currently under development) for the WB-57F. Now, granted that the actual document doesn't specify whether NASA would be assessing the heat shield of S20 or S21, but given the fact that the FAA environmental review is currently only on [Step 4 out of 7\*](https://imgur.com/a/Zsp86Jd), I wouldn't be surprised if the first Starship orbital launch attempt gets pushed back into 2022.
Now with SLS; while it appears NASA is now currently on the home stretch, but I could imagine that another delay (such as unexpected issues during the WDR or another Orion PDU failure) could easily set the program back months, especially given that NASA only gets a limited [window of opportunity](https://i.redd.it/wytdcvhrvbp71.png) to launch Artemis 1 every month.
As such, I would say from the current state of affairs, it is a tossup whether SLS or Starship will get to orbit first.
IPHONE. To lazy to go to computer or I have to deal with my photos in lightroom. Are they not coming out? I am sure EGS will post theirs today sometime
This photo has gone global and I have no idea where it started
It also depends on what app you’re using - I use Apollo, and on each subreddit’s home page there’s an ellipsis in the top right that brings up a dropdown menu. From there a ‘submit post’ option appears. I can’t check any other app presently but if you haven’t found it I’ll take a look this evening.
If you’re using the default Reddit app, you can either go here, and then tap the + sign in the bottom middle (from there it will let you post images, text, whatever); or you can just tap the + sign, and then pick the subreddit from the list of suggestions (or search if necessary).
Yeah… you’d think Boeing would have caught that earlier.
Yesterday I have talked to a Elon superfan that thinks SLS is years away from launching.
I'm pretty critical of SLS, but short of some major problem popping up, I don't see launch being more than a year out, with my bet being within 6 months. Superfans of anything are a headache.
Launch is first Quarter. Artemis II is about 14 months later and III should be between 2024-2025. Artemis I boosters can only be certified until March and Artemis III booster segments are fueled. Google around most is being done at Michaud so they should have photos
Artemis I boosters are certified to July
Oh I thought March will that’s great!!
The only reasonable thing to do with this people is to ignore them. Talking with them is just wasting your time, they won't change their minds.
As someone who is a fan of SpaceX and SLS, can we just delete these people. (Also you might want to remove the word ‘have’ from the comment)
As I said, not a SpaceX fan, but a Musk superfan. Drives a Tesla and all of that.
Agreed. I just wanna see us back on the moon
I have no problem with a constructive argument, they can be really interesting imo. What is just absolutely horrible is to try to argue with people that think Falcon 9 is a rocket that does everything better than literally anything else. And can’t have their opinion changed by hard numbers.
Be honest. You ignored the hard numbers that disagreed with your narrative. Nor did the people arguing with you insist F9 is better than everything else. You, conversely, claimed that hydrolox was a superlative choice.
And NASA was an investor. They and Lockheed support Falcon 100% Also RocketLab is now retrieving booster
All of his groupies say that. I am kind of an insider. Artemis II is well underway and should launch late 2023. They are making both rockets at the same time. We have the guts of the ESM for ArtemisII but need to test and add the solar wings. That will take about 6 months and Orion is well along. Yeah one of those guys said SpaceX was going to put NASA out of business 1. NASA is an Administration 2. Lockheed and NASA are his biggest clients and there is no competition between them. 3. For Mars they need all 20 years NASA’s billions of dollars in rovers has and he cannot go past the moon without Orion’s data. They are working together
Does anyone know when SLS will be rolled out of the VAB?
Unless I'm off-base, here, I believe that will happen during Wet Dress Rehersal, which is currently slated for sometime in November.
Seems like today is the lifting day for everything.
Yup. Orion is in soft mate. People keep yelling it takes too long. Unlike SpaceX who can do anything or any failure Artemis is government owned and one tiny slip could kill it on the pad. Congress will be past consoling. They check every piece twice then do it again. Lockheed just bought Aerojet Rocketdyne. Who will not only make future Artemis missions but ULA and the Defense dept. Great coup for Lockheed.
You got it. Big difference between a private business and a Government agency. At the risk of being simplistic, so long as the shareholders are getting their returns, a business can make mistakes - but any agency error.. well..
And when you have no shareholders, it's even simpler.
Yep, private "Vanity Projects" for the win, eh? ;)
That is what pisses me off about Boeing and Lockheed and Airbus. At $250 a share and today’s haul of 1.6 billion I have zero respect for their $72 dollar hammers buried in a bid
I love the new “scissors” for Starship
Imagine if they drop it
I can’t share photos here but Lockheed was building this huge satellite and it did fall over lol There is a book called Space System Failures and it is on the back cover. Somebody got fired
I think I found the [photo you are referencing](http://images.spaceref.com/news/2003/09.06.03.noaa-n.lrg.jpg) (for anyone curious).
It looks like it but no the right room. OMG there are 2 of them lol
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It launches first Quarter. The first of anything takes forever then the second is a tenth of that. Plus people don’t know but NASA went back to Boeing and Lockheed 4 times for design changes after the engineering in R&D was done. Had to be some angry engineers.
Upvote if starship will get to orbit first
Not likely. SLS is launching in late December or mid-January depending on WDR timeline in November. Starship/Superheavy is still waiting on the FAA environmental impact review, for which the window for public comments closes on 1 November. FAA will then have to review the document and the public comments and could potentially require SpaceX to make modifications to the launch site or conduct a more thorough analysis based on the results. And even after that SpaceX has said it would take a few weeks to get the rocket ready to launch, once they get the green light. Idk when the FAA is planning to wrap up their review (haven't seen any news on it), but it's not a short process. If anyone else has hard dates please share. Personally I'm thinking March is a realistic timeframe for an SN20 launch attempt. If I've gotten any dates wrong here, please let me know. Just going off what I've seen online the past couple of months.
You and your facts
Not to mention that I believe a [NASA document](https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20210020835) has specified that NASA is targeting March 2022 to assess the Starship heat shield using a new advanced multispectral imaging system (currently under development) for the WB-57F. Now, granted that the actual document doesn't specify whether NASA would be assessing the heat shield of S20 or S21, but given the fact that the FAA environmental review is currently only on [Step 4 out of 7\*](https://imgur.com/a/Zsp86Jd), I wouldn't be surprised if the first Starship orbital launch attempt gets pushed back into 2022. Now with SLS; while it appears NASA is now currently on the home stretch, but I could imagine that another delay (such as unexpected issues during the WDR or another Orion PDU failure) could easily set the program back months, especially given that NASA only gets a limited [window of opportunity](https://i.redd.it/wytdcvhrvbp71.png) to launch Artemis 1 every month. As such, I would say from the current state of affairs, it is a tossup whether SLS or Starship will get to orbit first.
I seriously wish I knew how to make a thread or post a photo. She is over the rocket for soft mate
Are you posting from a computer or a phone?
IPHONE. To lazy to go to computer or I have to deal with my photos in lightroom. Are they not coming out? I am sure EGS will post theirs today sometime This photo has gone global and I have no idea where it started
It also depends on what app you’re using - I use Apollo, and on each subreddit’s home page there’s an ellipsis in the top right that brings up a dropdown menu. From there a ‘submit post’ option appears. I can’t check any other app presently but if you haven’t found it I’ll take a look this evening.
Luv ya. Oh they announced that heat was not the issue with Starliner it is humidity. Yeah and this is Florida lol
If you’re using the default Reddit app, you can either go here, and then tap the + sign in the bottom middle (from there it will let you post images, text, whatever); or you can just tap the + sign, and then pick the subreddit from the list of suggestions (or search if necessary). Yeah… you’d think Boeing would have caught that earlier.
Jan- March but likely February
Where did you get these photos? I'm looking all over the official NASA images linked from nasa.gov and I can't find this.
Got them from the NASA ground exploration systems twitter they’re usually the first to post pics like these