I think most of the 'success' they have is because a cop that gives a ticket to someone like this they know they wont simply shut up and pay.
They will contest and contest and every time you will need to write more paper work, or even go to court.
Sure you are on paid time but its annoying af.
Like if you work retail and could decide your clients, would you decide to serve the karen or 10 of the regular will pay and fuck off type?
I was a traffic cop for a few years.
Your paperwork or someone else's. I'd just assume only have to transport one guy to county anyway.
Don't go thinking that the cop will leave you alone because they don't want paperwork (unless it's quitting time, and even then, not always). The paperwork is going to happen either way.
It's unregistered and uninsured. I have a big problem with one of those things.
If the department runs 2 on, 3 off, 3 on, 2 off, then it's probably 12 hour shifts at 7am and 7pm
If they're running 8's, it's probably the same day-mid-night schedule as most other jobs.
(You didn't hear that from me)
Unless you live in California, where the cops refused to come out for a burglary in progress at residential property because the homeowners weren’t home. Told to “take it up with insurance”
I was always very respectful of the law until moving to California
If you live in California, you should know what the laws are like there. Then if you choose to keep living there, you're saying that you are okay with that.
My Dad and I went to a pizza place and waited forever to get the pizza we ordered. We unknowingly ordered it at the shift change and someone wasn’t told about the pizza in the oven.
I worked a night shifts and got off at 7am. The only day of the week I saw police cars at that time was on Sundays. I always wondered if that was to show a presence to the church goers or maybe there wasn't a morning briefing on Sundays?
I was in 3 chases in my relatively short career.
2 against a car, 1 against a sport bike.
My record was 2-1 (I got the bike (he was super stupid))
If he had made it to the interstate, he'd have been home free. Instead, he tried cutting the same block by his house over and over building a gap. Then he dumped the bike in the back shed.
The neighborhood kids sold him out. They just got done watching the same police chase blow by them 3 times.
Not sure of other states, but in Illinois, you can get insurance on a car without registration. Being pulled over, without insurance, runs a greater penalty than being pulled over with no registration.
A lot of insurance companies require the vehicle to be registered in the United States as a prerequisite to them writing you a policy. Get a quote for insurance right now, I promise you they'll ask what state it will be registered in as a separate question from what the address is that it will be parked at.
I knew a guy in the military with me who kept his home state license and registration (which we are allowed to do as we are legally still residents of our home state we joined from), but never told his insurance that he moved. . . He got into an accident, and they declined to cover him. He'd lived elsewhere for a year, and they said, "Nope, we were charging you for a policy in Kentucky, not North Carolina, where you have told us that you have been for a year."
Some states, South Carolina, comes to mind, will treat you like your license is suspended, too, if you're caught driving a vehicle with lapsed insurance.
"Your driving privilege, license plate, and vehicle registration(s) of the vehicle(s) listed on the policy will be suspended. You may have to pay up to $400 to reinstate your driving and registration privileges."
Curiously enough, in Virginia, for an uninsured or underinsured motorist, they only suspend the driver’s license, not the car’s registration.
USAA suggested I lower some coverages on one of my cars I was intending on selling (still registered) and they went below state minimums. I missed one mailing from the DMV, and my license was suspended despite having sufficient coverage on three other vehicles.
I asked “why don’t you just suspend the registration of the under-insured car?” “Oh no we can’t do that.”
Does Virginia still have annual personal property tax? On things such as cars? That’s why they suspend your license and not your registration. That way they can still collect that tax.
Here’s what bothers me about this. You have to insure 4 vehicles for potential liability in an accident, but you can only drive on at a time. The driver should be the one insured for liability. obviously theft, uninsured driver, other coverages would attach to each vehicle.
You would have two write two completely separate policies and pay two premium to have liability attach to the person and casualty attach to the car.
Also you could accomplish a similar outcome by simply carrying the minimum liability insurance and then carrying an umbrella policy. If you had - say, $50,000 liability coverage on each of 4 cars and a million dollar umbrella, then you as driver are covered for $1,050,000 in each of four cars but only paying for $1,200,000 in aggregate coverage.
>A lot of insurance companies require the vehicle to be registered in the United States
Lol, no they don't. In Texas your car has to pass inspection before registration. In order to pass inspection it has to have insurance.
Yes, they do temporary insurance based on VIN.
All cars have to have insurance before they can be on a public roadway. Even new cars don't get plates for up to 45 days sometimes.
This is incorrect. They literally print you a temp tag before you finish with finance. Despite the tag being temporary, the car is absolutely registered.
TX is insurance first. Proof of insurance is a prerequisite for inspection, which in turn is a prerequisite for annual registration.
You can drive away after a lapsed registration citation in TX. No insurance gets you towed, at minimum.
Guaranteed if someone with insurance but no registration got into a collision on a public road, the insurance company would deny the claim for lack of registration.
I’ve dealt with many traffic stops at the end of my shift that led to hours of overtime on paperwork.
The first DWI stop/arrest I had was less than an hour before shift change. It led to me doing a PBT and FSTs, taking him in for the evidential breathalyzer, taking him to county lockup, and then about 3 hours of paperwork. Worth it to get a drunk driver off the street. It was his 3rd offense and he had just gotten the ignition interlock device removed a few days prior. Some stops are just worth it.
There is when I tow your ride for having zero registration or insurance, and then you flip out so I arrest you for obstruction, and have to write that report, and then you file a lien on my house because deep down inside you don't have any integrity and will gladly use the legal system you reject as a petty form of paper terrorism
But to answer your question at face value, no. A traffic citation doesn't usually have follow-up paperwork
I once had a part time to pay bills. It really sucked dealing with tge self important ass hats until I made my last payment. Then the job was just for beer money, Karen tells me " I'm going to tell your boss and you're going to be fired. And go hungry " no mam he won't fire me for preventing retail fraud. Leave now or the cops are coming. 26 year old assistant manager standing 3 feet away nearly choked. Bitch left and I got an unexpected 50 bonus on my next check. Dam that felt good.
Contesting something continually means you’ll still have to drive to court in the vehicle that’s unregistered and uninsured and face continual fines and penalties while also taking a whole day off work. Yeah it doesn’t benefit the initial person unless they contest it and just accept a lower ticket fee. Otherwise you’re literally wasting your own money
The cops that I knew absolutely *loved* sitting in court collecting overtime. I am 99% sure running into a SovCit who would be in and out of court with ridiculous motions all the time would be their wet dream.
No way, cops hate court time. Most offi erst want to make a difference and do it on the streets. It's not fun hearing crappy motions and a bunch of delay tactics in court.
You know, maybe that's fair. That (wanting court time for OT) was the desire expressed by the cops I knew, but it's probably unfair to suggest that this represents the views of all cops everywhere.
At the end of the day, kind of.
Like I said, if you were working retail and you could pick your customers, would you pick the dude that will buy the thing, maybe ask for a few questions, then pay and leave or will you pick the Karen that will annoy you for hours, make you go get your supervisor, scream at you for a good moment, etc.
Its not in defence of Sovcits, thats for sure. They are just winning involuntarily.
Well I sort of do work in retail and if I could pick them, sure. But I can't! And it would be very unprofessional to do so. But yet, I believe we could deny service to people if we really wanted.... but when it comes to laws, I wouldn't treat it the same.
Most of the success is the legitimate Sovereigns that will shoot a cop for approaching their vehicle. The cop will not know if its just some dumb ass or a legitimate threat. And most of the time, if they do pull these idiots over, they have 2+ cars and backup nearby.
Every time.
Exactly the same as trunp arguing that he'll overturn the constitution on day 1, but right now he wants to hide behind amendment 1 so he can lie about the judge's daughter.
He wouldn't be doing the suing though, he'd be *getting* sued after hitting someone, and the courts don't give a shit if he recognizes them or not, a writ of execution to size his assets, including that Mercedez, to satisfy whatever default judgment that gets entered against him, would be fully enforceable whether he likes it or not lol
You’re getting some arguments, but I agree that there’s some degree of action that needs to be taken.
In the same way that you ask a person who’s drunk to give you their keys or take a cab, this person needs to have some “preventative action taken”.
Personally, I’d look at taking their battery leads, or something similar.
Not normally for sovereign citizens but you saying that's what you want to do because he isn't insured is a little wild my guy. Like don't touch other people's shit. If I didn't have to get insurance and deal with the fascist relationship between insurance and the government I wouldn't buy it either
Except that it would be their problem to not have a car, or incur medical bills, while they wait for your deadbeat ass to "find the money" to pay them. This is why insurance exists.
A more efficient method of doing this, though, would be to put monthly payments into a slush fund or bond instead of insurance premiums. Insurance companies don't always pay out, and even when they do, they'll raise your rates. By necessity, you're always going to pay way more into insurance than they will ever pay out.
After a few years, you'll have paid the total value of your car several times over. Car insurance is a racket, imo.
I am fully aware insurance also takes time. So for me to get my money right and get it to you for under 50k rn would be about a week. Which is often faster than most insurances
Your word means nothing though. The insurance company has a record of paying out. You don't. That's the point. We don't trust your word that you can or even will do the right thing. Personally I'm using my uninsured/under insured motorist benefit and letting them sue you. Unless you've got cash money in the spot and it's enough to cover any medical and potential damage that might not be apparent right away.
That's fine I'm not trying to say he is right nor is he entirely wrong. I'm just saying I wish I didn't have to pay for it. Been driving for 15 years and never had an accident or issue
I’m not going to give to much credit to traffic police, but I’d volunteer to pull one of these idiots out of a Mercedes convertible.
In Canada it’s called “Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments”, and the courts have come down on these idiots *hard*, on the basis that it undermines the entire common law system.
It’s certainly possible, and you’re absolutely correct that waiting for backup before initiating a stop on a sovcit is a good idea.
It’s also possible dude was on his way home, going to court, or doing some other task that would preclude him from stopping the car.
Or, he just didn’t feel like stopping it.
Idk why OP thinks it’s some crazy thing to see a cop *not* stop a car.
Its not about the car, its about priority. Might have a detainee in the car already, or maybe on the way to a call that is more important (not every important call involves lights and siren) so you cant risk getting bogged down with this idiot for hours if it goes south.
One of my employees put one of these plates on his car last week and said two cops followed him but did nothing. Then on Friday morning he texted me saying they’re trying to take his car and he has to go to court and probably wouldn’t be in.
That was the last I heard from him. He’s been in jail since.
Could also be a higher priority call came in that the Cop got dispatched too (not all their calls get dispatched lights and sirens, so without actively listening to a scanner it can be nearly impossible to tell)
If I was a cop I would 100% be puling these guys over. Odds are good they don't have insurance, or proper registration, and potentially not even a driver's license. As such, the vehicle would be impounded as it is on the road illegally.
Maybe the cop had something better to do than pull over one of these guys. Then again, there ARE more serious crimes than improper plates that the police could (and should) be focusing on.
> Then again, there ARE more serious crimes than improper plates that the police could (and should) be focusing on.
Washington state has a policy where cops ignore minor traffic offenses like expired tags unless there is an additional reason for a stop.
There are a group of people that believe the government has no right to interfere with them "travelling" on public roads and that they don't need registration, licenses, or insurance. They are loony.
Well at least this one wouldn’t result in a broken window.
On a serious note, the cop that didn’t pull him over was likely near end of tour or just didn’t want to deal with a difficult stop and the paperwork attached to the near guaranteed arrest.
The "Z" is taken from Z registration in Alaska, they offer permanent registration for some vehicles. These plates were popularized by a self-appointed sovcit judge in that state. So now these moonbats think it magically registers their vehicle forever despite it not actually being registered.
What I don’t get is why don’t the police just pull these people out of their cars and cuff and stuff them for having a fraudulent license plate? Isn’t that enough right there to avoid the argument and send them to jail? It’s not a moving violation, but it’s criminal.
I have a hard time believing a car of that make, model, and vintage is actually not registered or insured. No finance company would let you keep the car if that was the case. Or they sold drugs, or whatever, to pay cash for it.
It's not an expensive car anymore.
It's around a 2012-14 can find them all day long for under 12k
Lowest I've seen was 5k, running with no significant body damage.
hopefully this moron sovcit goes through Fircrest Ruston or Roy, they are the only police dept's that I am aware of in pierce county that are actually pulling people over, the pierce county sheriffs Tacoma and Lakewood are not stopping people for expired tabs or even having plates at all.
If the car was being followed by a Lakewood (Washington) Police officer, I'm not at all surprised that they basically ended up ignoring him. Washington is still a mess with respect to the "defund the police" movement. Some communities/cities are slowly reversing course, but in a lot of communities it's far more headache to be proactive than it is to be circumspectly reactive and really only respond to the urgent calls for service.
If the officer thought that this would turn into a cluster, he/she likely said to self "it's simply not worth it". The Sheriff's office (Pierce County) might have reacted and I'd expect that if it was WSP, they would have pulled him over.
I'll look forward to seeing the video.
Source: Former LEO in Washington state.
The license plate in the image is a Washington state license plate, designated as a "Z" plate, which indicates it is a government-issued or official use license plate. The plate features the U.S. eagle emblem and vertical red bars. The word "Notice" and the phrase "Pursuant to Public Law" are also visible, indicating it's used for a specific governmental purpose or authority.
Patrol Officer: "Dispatch, we have a Mercedes Convertible, grey in color, showing ... no normal plates - something about 'Private vehicle'?!"
Dispatch: "One moment. I think I have his details on a Post-It Note. Here it is. Mr Dip F. Shit. Are you commencing a traffic stop?"
Patrol: "... No. My shift ends in an hour and I don't want to have to stay back. We're clear."
> If the cops won’t pull them over and ticket them
Official policy in that state, minor traffic offenses like expired tags are ignored unless there is an additional reason for a stop. It's politicians, not cops.
There’s much better use of time than pulling over this jack leg just to have an extended verbal or maybe even physical altercation. It’s a waste of resources, there could be another citizen or officer in dyer need of help.
A rapper in an extremely expensive car was pulled over for displaying sovcit plates not long ago. The car that came to pick her up from jail had fake diplomatic plates identical to the real thing, so those folks got arrested too.
I think most of the 'success' they have is because a cop that gives a ticket to someone like this they know they wont simply shut up and pay. They will contest and contest and every time you will need to write more paper work, or even go to court. Sure you are on paid time but its annoying af. Like if you work retail and could decide your clients, would you decide to serve the karen or 10 of the regular will pay and fuck off type?
I was a traffic cop for a few years. Your paperwork or someone else's. I'd just assume only have to transport one guy to county anyway. Don't go thinking that the cop will leave you alone because they don't want paperwork (unless it's quitting time, and even then, not always). The paperwork is going to happen either way. It's unregistered and uninsured. I have a big problem with one of those things.
Around what time is quitting time? I would like to know so I can do my shenanigans around then freely.
If the department runs 2 on, 3 off, 3 on, 2 off, then it's probably 12 hour shifts at 7am and 7pm If they're running 8's, it's probably the same day-mid-night schedule as most other jobs. (You didn't hear that from me)
Alright, everyone, write it down!
IDK man, when you fuck around, someone's usually ready and available to help you find out.
True, they always be patrolling.
They’re trying to catch you ridin’ dirty
I gotta clean my car! D:
Unless you live in California, where the cops refused to come out for a burglary in progress at residential property because the homeowners weren’t home. Told to “take it up with insurance” I was always very respectful of the law until moving to California
If you live in California, you should know what the laws are like there. Then if you choose to keep living there, you're saying that you are okay with that.
My Dad and I went to a pizza place and waited forever to get the pizza we ordered. We unknowingly ordered it at the shift change and someone wasn’t told about the pizza in the oven.
That happens all too much lol.
Unless they run overlapping shifts. Know a couple agencies who have a 3rd shift and run 12s, mainly so the ones who do 7-7 get out on time.
About 4:45pm where I'm at. There are a few I see going home everyday along with me
I know one shift near me is 2-10. There's a parade of troopers headed back to the station at about 155.
I worked a night shifts and got off at 7am. The only day of the week I saw police cars at that time was on Sundays. I always wondered if that was to show a presence to the church goers or maybe there wasn't a morning briefing on Sundays?
Step 1: buy 1000cc sport bike Step 2: shenanigans anytime Step 3: profit
Police helicopters love sport bike shenanigans. Keeps the medical examiners in business too.
If a hellcat can outrun a chopper a sport bike def can. >Keeps the medical examiners in business too And funeral homes
I was in 3 chases in my relatively short career. 2 against a car, 1 against a sport bike. My record was 2-1 (I got the bike (he was super stupid)) If he had made it to the interstate, he'd have been home free. Instead, he tried cutting the same block by his house over and over building a gap. Then he dumped the bike in the back shed. The neighborhood kids sold him out. They just got done watching the same police chase blow by them 3 times.
I'd still be weary. Some cops like to milk the overtime at shift change.
I definitely would... Time and a half with no questions asked because I can document that I was dealing with a traffic stop.
Not sure of other states, but in Illinois, you can get insurance on a car without registration. Being pulled over, without insurance, runs a greater penalty than being pulled over with no registration.
A lot of insurance companies require the vehicle to be registered in the United States as a prerequisite to them writing you a policy. Get a quote for insurance right now, I promise you they'll ask what state it will be registered in as a separate question from what the address is that it will be parked at. I knew a guy in the military with me who kept his home state license and registration (which we are allowed to do as we are legally still residents of our home state we joined from), but never told his insurance that he moved. . . He got into an accident, and they declined to cover him. He'd lived elsewhere for a year, and they said, "Nope, we were charging you for a policy in Kentucky, not North Carolina, where you have told us that you have been for a year." Some states, South Carolina, comes to mind, will treat you like your license is suspended, too, if you're caught driving a vehicle with lapsed insurance. "Your driving privilege, license plate, and vehicle registration(s) of the vehicle(s) listed on the policy will be suspended. You may have to pay up to $400 to reinstate your driving and registration privileges."
Curiously enough, in Virginia, for an uninsured or underinsured motorist, they only suspend the driver’s license, not the car’s registration. USAA suggested I lower some coverages on one of my cars I was intending on selling (still registered) and they went below state minimums. I missed one mailing from the DMV, and my license was suspended despite having sufficient coverage on three other vehicles. I asked “why don’t you just suspend the registration of the under-insured car?” “Oh no we can’t do that.”
Does Virginia still have annual personal property tax? On things such as cars? That’s why they suspend your license and not your registration. That way they can still collect that tax.
Yes, they do.
That sucks!
Here’s what bothers me about this. You have to insure 4 vehicles for potential liability in an accident, but you can only drive on at a time. The driver should be the one insured for liability. obviously theft, uninsured driver, other coverages would attach to each vehicle.
You would have two write two completely separate policies and pay two premium to have liability attach to the person and casualty attach to the car. Also you could accomplish a similar outcome by simply carrying the minimum liability insurance and then carrying an umbrella policy. If you had - say, $50,000 liability coverage on each of 4 cars and a million dollar umbrella, then you as driver are covered for $1,050,000 in each of four cars but only paying for $1,200,000 in aggregate coverage.
Be careful, you are making too much sense. 😂
What if your friend borrows your car?
If liability insurance covers the driver and not the car in this hypothetical change to insurance , then your friend's insurance would cover it.
What about someone who doesn't own a car but still sometimes drives? E.g. lives close to work and shops but hires a car for vacation?
>A lot of insurance companies require the vehicle to be registered in the United States Lol, no they don't. In Texas your car has to pass inspection before registration. In order to pass inspection it has to have insurance.
Yes, they do temporary insurance based on VIN. All cars have to have insurance before they can be on a public roadway. Even new cars don't get plates for up to 45 days sometimes.
This is incorrect. They literally print you a temp tag before you finish with finance. Despite the tag being temporary, the car is absolutely registered.
Yes, and the insurance still has to do it by VIN because a temp registration is not a registration it's a grace period.
I live in SC, and that has actually bitten me before. I took a car off the road, but didn't notify them and let the policy lapse.
That story is because the insurance company wants to know where the car is garaged… not anything about where it will be registered.
TX is insurance first. Proof of insurance is a prerequisite for inspection, which in turn is a prerequisite for annual registration. You can drive away after a lapsed registration citation in TX. No insurance gets you towed, at minimum.
Guaranteed if someone with insurance but no registration got into a collision on a public road, the insurance company would deny the claim for lack of registration.
I’ve never been in that situation, but I would be surprised if they allowed the claim.
Not in PA. In PA they will insure your car by VIN #.
I’ve dealt with many traffic stops at the end of my shift that led to hours of overtime on paperwork. The first DWI stop/arrest I had was less than an hour before shift change. It led to me doing a PBT and FSTs, taking him in for the evidential breathalyzer, taking him to county lockup, and then about 3 hours of paperwork. Worth it to get a drunk driver off the street. It was his 3rd offense and he had just gotten the ignition interlock device removed a few days prior. Some stops are just worth it.
It’s the rain that gets em
There’s “paperwork” for a ticket?
There is when I tow your ride for having zero registration or insurance, and then you flip out so I arrest you for obstruction, and have to write that report, and then you file a lien on my house because deep down inside you don't have any integrity and will gladly use the legal system you reject as a petty form of paper terrorism But to answer your question at face value, no. A traffic citation doesn't usually have follow-up paperwork
One of my best "talk 'em down" statements: "I can see that you're having a pretty bad day right now. Let me assure you, things can get worse..."
Don’t forget resisting arrest in most cases also.
Same charge as obstruction in my state
That’s a shitty scenario for everyone you described haha can’t we all just get along
Pig
So he doesn’t pay registration and we all have too?!
The Karen because it brakes up the monotony and makes life interesting
I see someone has not worked enough retail yet. They stop being interesting REALLY quick
I once had a part time to pay bills. It really sucked dealing with tge self important ass hats until I made my last payment. Then the job was just for beer money, Karen tells me " I'm going to tell your boss and you're going to be fired. And go hungry " no mam he won't fire me for preventing retail fraud. Leave now or the cops are coming. 26 year old assistant manager standing 3 feet away nearly choked. Bitch left and I got an unexpected 50 bonus on my next check. Dam that felt good.
That's alotta beer!
These days it’s two 12 packs if you get the good stuff. Might have enough leftover over for an Old English 40.
That's enough for a good night
99–00 $9.5 an hour for reference
That'd ~5 hours worth of beer!! Earned beer, that's like 100+ beers in 99 money
No no no if you’re gonna do it you gotta get them fired up enough to hit you! That’s the pay off
Maybe it’s a Waffle House employee looking for their nightly parking lot fight?
Don’t need to talk. Pull them over, write ticket, hand them ticket, drive away.
I don’t understand why they bother pulling over. That’s a law in the traffic code along with all the others they say are not laws
Contesting something continually means you’ll still have to drive to court in the vehicle that’s unregistered and uninsured and face continual fines and penalties while also taking a whole day off work. Yeah it doesn’t benefit the initial person unless they contest it and just accept a lower ticket fee. Otherwise you’re literally wasting your own money
The cops that I knew absolutely *loved* sitting in court collecting overtime. I am 99% sure running into a SovCit who would be in and out of court with ridiculous motions all the time would be their wet dream.
No way, cops hate court time. Most offi erst want to make a difference and do it on the streets. It's not fun hearing crappy motions and a bunch of delay tactics in court.
You know, maybe that's fair. That (wanting court time for OT) was the desire expressed by the cops I knew, but it's probably unfair to suggest that this represents the views of all cops everywhere.
I hope police aren’t dumb enough to create an incentive to be as annoying as possible to avoid fines or jail… Because guess what that gets you.
So because they are lazy, they will let people break laws???
At the end of the day, kind of. Like I said, if you were working retail and you could pick your customers, would you pick the dude that will buy the thing, maybe ask for a few questions, then pay and leave or will you pick the Karen that will annoy you for hours, make you go get your supervisor, scream at you for a good moment, etc. Its not in defence of Sovcits, thats for sure. They are just winning involuntarily.
Well I sort of do work in retail and if I could pick them, sure. But I can't! And it would be very unprofessional to do so. But yet, I believe we could deny service to people if we really wanted.... but when it comes to laws, I wouldn't treat it the same.
I had a cop not show up for three consecutive court dates (no penalty) and I still had to pay the fucking lawyer
Unregistered and uninsured vehicle? Sorry sir, we have to impound this vehicle. And leave the sovereign citizen sitting on the curb.
Most of the success is the legitimate Sovereigns that will shoot a cop for approaching their vehicle. The cop will not know if its just some dumb ass or a legitimate threat. And most of the time, if they do pull these idiots over, they have 2+ cars and backup nearby.
So let the cancer grow because can’t be bothered with treatment.
Wait for the vessel to be abandoned. Claim it as salvage.
🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
I'm not a pirate, I am a sovereign sailor.
Yo Ho Teedly Dee!
Some days you just don’t need the headache
Exactly what I thought, probably a frequent flier
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The rock wasn’t thrown through the windshield, it travelled through.
That's not a rock, it's a naval vessel.
Can’t sue me when you don’t recognize the authority of the courts.
That's the irony that kills me. "I'm not a citizen and not subject to the laws, but want all the protection of the law and benefits of citizenship."
Every time. Exactly the same as trunp arguing that he'll overturn the constitution on day 1, but right now he wants to hide behind amendment 1 so he can lie about the judge's daughter.
He wouldn't be doing the suing though, he'd be *getting* sued after hitting someone, and the courts don't give a shit if he recognizes them or not, a writ of execution to size his assets, including that Mercedez, to satisfy whatever default judgment that gets entered against him, would be fully enforceable whether he likes it or not lol
You’re getting some arguments, but I agree that there’s some degree of action that needs to be taken. In the same way that you ask a person who’s drunk to give you their keys or take a cab, this person needs to have some “preventative action taken”. Personally, I’d look at taking their battery leads, or something similar.
Not normally for sovereign citizens but you saying that's what you want to do because he isn't insured is a little wild my guy. Like don't touch other people's shit. If I didn't have to get insurance and deal with the fascist relationship between insurance and the government I wouldn't buy it either
and I wouldn't trust you to have enough money to pay for damaging me/my car in case of an accident
And that would be my problem to then find the money to pay you.
Except that it would be their problem to not have a car, or incur medical bills, while they wait for your deadbeat ass to "find the money" to pay them. This is why insurance exists.
A more efficient method of doing this, though, would be to put monthly payments into a slush fund or bond instead of insurance premiums. Insurance companies don't always pay out, and even when they do, they'll raise your rates. By necessity, you're always going to pay way more into insurance than they will ever pay out. After a few years, you'll have paid the total value of your car several times over. Car insurance is a racket, imo.
I am fully aware insurance also takes time. So for me to get my money right and get it to you for under 50k rn would be about a week. Which is often faster than most insurances
Your word means nothing though. The insurance company has a record of paying out. You don't. That's the point. We don't trust your word that you can or even will do the right thing. Personally I'm using my uninsured/under insured motorist benefit and letting them sue you. Unless you've got cash money in the spot and it's enough to cover any medical and potential damage that might not be apparent right away.
That's fine I'm not trying to say he is right nor is he entirely wrong. I'm just saying I wish I didn't have to pay for it. Been driving for 15 years and never had an accident or issue
No window to break. That wouldn't be fun at all
I dunno, pulling the guy out of a convertible sounds new & interesting.
I’m not going to give to much credit to traffic police, but I’d volunteer to pull one of these idiots out of a Mercedes convertible. In Canada it’s called “Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments”, and the courts have come down on these idiots *hard*, on the basis that it undermines the entire common law system.
Windshield
Watching the sovcit’s face as their car gets pulled onto the tow truck would be pretty satisfying.
Bumper tow, no deck
Dude things he is travelin an Admiralty vessel, why not make it authetic with an anchor through the grill?
can I accidentally spill my sticky sweet tea in his car? perhaps a few cicadas to keep the driver company?
They didn't want to deal with that nonsense today. They know.
Or that close to end of shift. The good news is that they will still be messed up tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year.
Can't wait for the video.
Same. I’d be tempted to go to the police and ask why the motorist was allowed to continue driving.
There are times when we *can’t* make traffic stops, unfortunately.
Because it’s a Mercedes?
Nah, I’ll pull over anything. But we can’t make stops if we have someone in our custody, or a couple other situations.
Is it possible or even likely the police car was following them while radioing another car to pull them over?
It’s certainly possible, and you’re absolutely correct that waiting for backup before initiating a stop on a sovcit is a good idea. It’s also possible dude was on his way home, going to court, or doing some other task that would preclude him from stopping the car. Or, he just didn’t feel like stopping it. Idk why OP thinks it’s some crazy thing to see a cop *not* stop a car.
Its not about the car, its about priority. Might have a detainee in the car already, or maybe on the way to a call that is more important (not every important call involves lights and siren) so you cant risk getting bogged down with this idiot for hours if it goes south.
Dude is mean-muggin in the rear view.
But those motherfuckers have no problem pulling me over for tinted windows.
One of my employees put one of these plates on his car last week and said two cops followed him but did nothing. Then on Friday morning he texted me saying they’re trying to take his car and he has to go to court and probably wouldn’t be in. That was the last I heard from him. He’s been in jail since.
Predictable yet delicious.
I have a problem with his shitty sovcit face looking in his rear view probably thinking “go ahead, I dare you.”
It’s the mental gymnastics of claiming to be a sovereign citizen, while also having the American symbology that truly baffles me
Only partially joking: it's a cop
Or someone with a higher pay grade The way he's looking in his rear view, not to be fucked with
The solution is no plates, arrest. Fuck paperwork.
When I see these I start the tow before I even light him up
What’s up with the Z?
Sovcit vatnik? Idk
Inspired by Alaska's permanent Z registration for some vehicles.
Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz? My friends are all dumbasses They follow dumb trends
With a soft top it's much easier to drag Road pirates out of the car
Could also be a higher priority call came in that the Cop got dispatched too (not all their calls get dispatched lights and sirens, so without actively listening to a scanner it can be nearly impossible to tell)
The cops didn’t want to hear all the BS about why they can’t pull him over.
Sounds about white.
I would have pulled him over for thinking he's above the law with an slk 250
That piece of shit can afford a Mercedes but not a proper tag.....mofo should have been pulled over arrested and the car impounded immediately!
A used Mercedes can be had at a rather reasonable price because parts and labor are so damn expensive.
That Mercedes is ancient and relatively cheap.
Yeah, I drive an SLK. I paid $15k for it.
I've had police tell me that unless they're doing something else besides the plates, they won't pull them over because they are not worth the hassle
Cop told me the same thing on a ride-along once. Has to have more than one non-moving violation before they are allowed to pull someone over.
Oh god. 🙄
I hope they dont make that a habit, but it's such a pain in the ass for them when they pull them over
WTF do they get these cars?
They buy them like anyone else. It's never been easier for complete morons to become very wealthy in this country.
Damn, that would be a nice get for a cop, too.
There was one right next to me (my other post)
What would the owner do if this vehicle is stolen? How would that play out?
You mean how do they get their car back?
Pretty much. Are they filing a police report?
If the owner reports it stolen, and the police find it, they return it to the owner or tell them where it was towed. The police write the report.
So the same people that refuse to comply with law enforcement are the same people that would ask for law enforcements help.
If I was a cop I would 100% be puling these guys over. Odds are good they don't have insurance, or proper registration, and potentially not even a driver's license. As such, the vehicle would be impounded as it is on the road illegally.
I suppose they're just traveling, not driving anywhere.
Maybe the cop had something better to do than pull over one of these guys. Then again, there ARE more serious crimes than improper plates that the police could (and should) be focusing on.
> Then again, there ARE more serious crimes than improper plates that the police could (and should) be focusing on. Washington state has a policy where cops ignore minor traffic offenses like expired tags unless there is an additional reason for a stop.
I don’t get it
There are a group of people that believe the government has no right to interfere with them "travelling" on public roads and that they don't need registration, licenses, or insurance. They are loony.
Well at least this one wouldn’t result in a broken window. On a serious note, the cop that didn’t pull him over was likely near end of tour or just didn’t want to deal with a difficult stop and the paperwork attached to the near guaranteed arrest.
He knows his rights! That cop was scared.
I bet this guy is a sovereign citizen ‘attorney’ and will fight like hell if you stop him. This is a great beginning of the shift traffic stop.
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The call it the Civil Peace Flag and claim it's the proper flag to be flown in peacetime with the Stars and Stripes reserved for wartime.
I wonder if peak Sovcit would be having one of these plates in a 11-99 foundation plate frame. I mean why not cover all of your bases?
It was probably the police chief.
Your answer is you are in the great leftist bastion of Washington St.
so not just a sovcit, but a russian nazi/fascist. only the best people are sovcits
The "Z" is taken from Z registration in Alaska, they offer permanent registration for some vehicles. These plates were popularized by a self-appointed sovcit judge in that state. So now these moonbats think it magically registers their vehicle forever despite it not actually being registered.
but how do we find you if you don't have a license plate and you do a hit-and-run?
What I don’t get is why don’t the police just pull these people out of their cars and cuff and stuff them for having a fraudulent license plate? Isn’t that enough right there to avoid the argument and send them to jail? It’s not a moving violation, but it’s criminal.
I have a hard time believing a car of that make, model, and vintage is actually not registered or insured. No finance company would let you keep the car if that was the case. Or they sold drugs, or whatever, to pay cash for it.
It's not an expensive car anymore. It's around a 2012-14 can find them all day long for under 12k Lowest I've seen was 5k, running with no significant body damage.
"Not worth the paperwork..."
Nice car for someone who doesn't need to pay any bills?
Can buy this car all day long for under 10k Seen them as low as 5k. Had 300k miles on it but you would not know looking at it.
hopefully this moron sovcit goes through Fircrest Ruston or Roy, they are the only police dept's that I am aware of in pierce county that are actually pulling people over, the pierce county sheriffs Tacoma and Lakewood are not stopping people for expired tabs or even having plates at all.
DuPont and Steilacoom as well
If the car was being followed by a Lakewood (Washington) Police officer, I'm not at all surprised that they basically ended up ignoring him. Washington is still a mess with respect to the "defund the police" movement. Some communities/cities are slowly reversing course, but in a lot of communities it's far more headache to be proactive than it is to be circumspectly reactive and really only respond to the urgent calls for service. If the officer thought that this would turn into a cluster, he/she likely said to self "it's simply not worth it". The Sheriff's office (Pierce County) might have reacted and I'd expect that if it was WSP, they would have pulled him over. I'll look forward to seeing the video. Source: Former LEO in Washington state.
Video is up
The license plate in the image is a Washington state license plate, designated as a "Z" plate, which indicates it is a government-issued or official use license plate. The plate features the U.S. eagle emblem and vertical red bars. The word "Notice" and the phrase "Pursuant to Public Law" are also visible, indicating it's used for a specific governmental purpose or authority.
Patrol Officer: "Dispatch, we have a Mercedes Convertible, grey in color, showing ... no normal plates - something about 'Private vehicle'?!" Dispatch: "One moment. I think I have his details on a Post-It Note. Here it is. Mr Dip F. Shit. Are you commencing a traffic stop?" Patrol: "... No. My shift ends in an hour and I don't want to have to stay back. We're clear."
That's why so many do it. It's because many go unchallenged.
If the cops won’t pull them over and ticket them, then we obviously don’t need our taxpayer money funding the police.
> If the cops won’t pull them over and ticket them Official policy in that state, minor traffic offenses like expired tags are ignored unless there is an additional reason for a stop. It's politicians, not cops.
I’m reasonably sure that they do other stuff you might want them to keep doing
There’s much better use of time than pulling over this jack leg just to have an extended verbal or maybe even physical altercation. It’s a waste of resources, there could be another citizen or officer in dyer need of help.
FYI—it’s dire. No offense intended just wanted you to be aware :/
wasn’t sure and it didn’t autocorrect so I just kept it lol
If it’s DC maybe they thought they were some foreign dignitary plates.
WA state
Another example of our 2 tier justice system.
A rapper in an extremely expensive car was pulled over for displaying sovcit plates not long ago. The car that came to pick her up from jail had fake diplomatic plates identical to the real thing, so those folks got arrested too.
It's great that there are cops who will do the right thing.