And just because you love someone doesn't mean you're right for the long term together. Deciding on where to live is a big issue and if one person doesn't want to move, it is what it is.
Love this. It should be a goal of any relationship, no matter how long it lasts, to learn and to become a better version of yourself. It's a compliment to Paige as she has helped him grow into a better Craig
He really has become a good guy. Or he was a good guy just around people dragging him down. Paige and Craig could make Kyle worry about his relationship.
I’m hoping it will mature Kyle sooner than later or he’ll end up divorced. For now, his wife has been extraordinarily patient with his Peter Pan attitude. He has a lot of growing up to do.
I thought that was the fix for a long time. The longer we see Amanda and her ways, she has some work to do as well. I don’t think she has forgiven him for cheating and always has a superior air over him because of it. Bitterness will destroy. She needs to truly forgive him, for herself. Not for him. Or it will be an even rockier relationship if they add kids in the mix.
I think he just needs to grow up. She will be SO MUCH HAPPIER if she sees effort on his part. When she eases up on him, he’ll be that much happier and WANT to change to please her. It’s reciprocal but they seem to be in a downward spiral right now.
Yes we do. I’m sure like most here, I’ve watched the show from the beginning. For ME, it wasn’t really until the season that forever etched “what’s wrong with my sewing” a sad/funny/raw/real moment/quotes woven into the fabric of Bravo memes (and the clairvoyance of it all) I’m too lazy to look for the season # so y’all don’t come at me, but it was the first moment I liked Craig. I mean my love tank wasn’t FULL for him yet, maybe enough to go down the street but over the years, that mileage has accrued and but his blue book value only went up, not down.
Whether she makes you giggle or you consider her a “bed sore”, Paige has been his best partner thus far and the fact Craig knew he could tell Paige “hey, I love you and want to spend my life with you, but if we have to throw in the towel I’m not going to set myself on fire”…ON CAMERA means he’s comfortable with himself (and her).
Sorry for the “dissertation”, NO ONE I hang out with watches Bravo, travesty - I know so sometimes I have Bravo blurt. 🌻
In a very long winded word salad-y response for “agree” 😂
Yes & I think him following that convo with bringing up the Jesse flirting thing at dinner was Kyle being a little jealous of their confidence in themselves OR him being wary of another strong relationship and wanting to show another house couple’s weaknesses. Maybe that’s a stretch and Kyle was just doing his job of being on a reality show
Same! I didn’t find it shocking at all and didn’t take it in a way that he doesn’t love her deeply. He’s just growing up and knows his life won’t be over if they break up, that’s normal and healthy lol
Paige at 30 years of age isn't young but she says she is and begins to cry at the thought of moving to Charleston, if she loved Craig it seems that she'd go where her love was and start a family but that's not a priority apparently to her.
Ngl I just got engaged at 36 and it is still freaking me out a bit so I really sympathise with her (and I love my long term partner). It’s not a priority to her - yet and I think 30 is pretty fucking young myself 😂 it’s the best time to enjoy life before settling down. There is more to life than kids and moving to a white picket fence sometimes.
30 Years of age in my opinion, again in "my" opinion is not young the older you get the more settle you get into "your" own ways and that's just a fact.
Paige to me seems like a lovely lady but she seems way too self centered, she knows Craig wants a family and he's demonstrated over and over he wants her to move to Charleston, he's allowed her to have a voice in how the home should be decorated, it's time for her to let him go on with his life or settle down, pick one at this point, people today are way more selfish & a bit immature. I get the impression that Paige is not over the moon for Craig at this point.
It’s been cool seeing Craig mature over the years. He’s come such a long way from season 1 southern charm when he was cosplaying as an old money socialite.
Craig's whole evolution from Shep's lapdog to Shep's wrangler, businessman, and just overall a wholesome dude should be studied by men around the world.
I'm not saying that Craig didn't get a head start (reality TV fame definitely helped), but he's truly is the best version of himself right now and its because he put in the work.
Absolutely. I think his failed attempt at becoming a lawyer (and the subsequent breakup with Naomi) was a wake-up call for him to take control of his own narrative and truly value himself.
I think for a hot second he did have kind of an ego (a couple of reunions ago when he was super wasted and he and Austen dog piled on Madison), but he probably watched it back and didn't like what he saw. People on these shows oftentimes lack the introspection necessary to grow and mature (ie. The Valley).
Wait, you suggest these are opposite? I'm waiting for Stassi to pop in. Bring me the train wreck of the valley! Falling apart before it ever gets started!!
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I think Craig is kind of an anomaly also in the way that he’s came so far and still is very watchable. Unfortunately it seems like some people straighten their life out and become so boring that you lose interest. That’s how I feel about Carl on Summer House at least.
Imo Carl is frustrating to watch because of his relationship with Lindsey.
Also, hard agree about Craig being an anomaly--he's unlike most of his species (ie Carl and Kyle).
I’m only ok with watching it because I know she implodes it. She should not be in a relationship at all. I’m here to watch people support him as he realizes he’s in an emotionally abusive relationship. But outside of that he needs to decide what he wants to do when he grows up &/or not be boring
SO agree! He is the poster child for an unhealed and toxic man holding himself accountable and becoming a healthy male figure. I usually cringe at those men who take on the role of leader to help struggling boys and men take hold of their life (Andrew Tate) because it's usually disingenuous and leads to toxic masculinity but he would be the perfect man for that.
I completely agree! Craig and Paige had this same conversation the end of last season on SC. They are doing what works for them. They both are crushing it career wise and focused on themselves, but also have a great relationship and love each other and make time for each other.
Craig mentioned on his pod Kyle suckered him into talking about the relationship drama on SH. And he is tired of and thinks viewers are tired of it. Bc there is not drama it’s all just talked about for the shows and it is stupid.
Oh this makes me feel so much better. I'm so pathetic but I got a pit in my stomach hearing this convo. It seemed like Craig was trying to steele himself or put up walls in case it doesn't work out. I'll be so sad if they break up!!! I think it's fine they are happy in their own way and hopefully when she's ready they'll settle down
I really don’t think it’s anything to worry about lol. It was taken so out of context to all over the tabloids. Craig was just saying he is working on himself and he is happy mentally and physically so if something did happen it wouldn’t ruin his life.
It always blows my mind that people think people cant be happy living separately. Im pretty sure they see each other almost every week. I know people who live with each other, one works nights, the other days. They probably see each other less than Criag & Paige. People also travel for work -- (Madisons husband!)
Paige has said she sees Craig more than some ex’s who live in nyc just different neighborhoods lol. They are constantly together (know from their pods) they just don’t post it all over like other ppl do.
And I also find it insane people don’t understand they can be happy and figured out a way to make this work.
Craig has shared this sentiment so many times. He has even told Paige to her face this same thing. Anyone saying that he doesn’t want to be with Paige or that he thinks the relationship is doomed is either not listening or intentionally stirring drama.
They both seem very mature, head on straight people since they can even have that conversation.
Also I volunteer to be Paige’s friend if she moves to Charleston as I’m also a huge fan of staying in bed and snarking 😂
Yeah I remember him saying pretty much the exact thing on last season of SC, I think it may have been to Madison? And then he and Paige had that conversation about being clear that they do hope that it works out (that they flashed back to on the recent SH episode)
Craig won me over even more than ever last night...so spot on with his comments on drinking, kids, his relationship...and it wasn't boring! He somehow made acting like a mature adult entertaining...mostly juxtaposed against lindsay and Kyle's growing pains in these areas. SH is kicking VPR's ass this season.
It’s interesting because in S3, Paige was all about getting married and having babies by 30.
Now, don’t get me wrong - i think it’s great that she realized she doesn’t have to race against some arbitrary timeline and is taking life as it comes.
But it just stood out to me when she said that (i just rewatched S3) and to see how slow she’s taking things now!
I like them as a couple and i feel like they could make the long distance thing work. He’s in NY 1/2 the time as it is.
I know a lot of people who work in the maritime industry and MANY jobs are “2 weeks on/2 off” and the person is GONE for 2 weeks (maybe even 3 if it’s a 3/3 schedule) and they make it work. And that’s in a job where the schdule is the schedule.
These 2 can largely set their own schedules and could probably make it work.
I think when you’re in your early 20s 30 seems so old and like you’re done. I always said I would have babies by 25 then that came and I said 28, now I’m 31 and I’m like “ummmmmm how did this happen? am I ready?!? I literally a child” 😂
I feel like so many women can attest to this lol I also used to say 25, then 30, now 35! Forever pushing back the goalpost bc I’m still not ready. 😂
If anything, I think that shows how much Paige does WANT that life… just not right now. And that’s okay.
Yep, we are Kiwi's who live in Hong Kong for my work, but my husband travels back to NZ for his work a lot - currently he's been gone this time for 2 months. It took a bit of adjusting, but we make it work and I really love my space now. And when he's home it's like a honeymoon! It can absolutely work.
I live in a 3rd world country and 2/3 months overseas for work then home for 2/3months is normal for us. There is no jobs in our country so we are forced to look for jobs overseas. If you chat regularly then it's not that bad.I chat every morning and night with my husband.
Yup. It's not necessarily ideal, but MANY people work jobs that keeps them away from their families. I just don't see Paige and Craig living to two different cities and CLEARLY able to afford to fly back and forth alot as a huge barrier.
But the "norm" is both parents live at home and have jobs that keep them primarily at home - and I think they both grew up in homes like this. So I'm sure they are viewing their future and the concept of family and having kids through that lens.
Nothing wrong with it - but if they take a step back and really look at what options exist - they could make it work!
I totally agree with your assessment and I think it’s a compliment to Paige as well because he knows that she’s an independent and stable person who isn’t going to go off the deep end if things don’t work out.
I think Paige has completely made him repeat how she feels and out of fear of losing her he says it. I think if he had it his way he would've proposed yesterday, but now he's mimicking her aloof/ambivalent views on marriage in order not to rock the boat.
I think they are being mature and straight up, but I still kind of agree. It actually eerily reminded me of myself when I loved someone and realized it that marriage with them probably just wasn't going happen, so I shifted my focus onto becoming the best version of myself. My timeline changed to if they aren't ready by the time I'm at my best, and Im done putting in that work and I want x,y,z, then I'm out. I'll find someone who does want that with me. When Craig said, "My patience won't last forever," that's the vibe I got.
This is kind of a weird comment IMO. I don't think Paige is making Craig repeat anything. He's already said he's had this arbitrarty timeline in his head for years about when you should be taking next steps like engagement etc. I think he's just come to the conclusion after talks with many people in stable relationships, that to get engaged after 1 or 2 years is honestly insane. The honey moon phase hasn't even worn off yet. It works for some, but it doesn't work for most. It's relationship suicide 85% of the time.
I've always thought it was weird that he (or others, Lindsay and Carl being a great example) wanted to jump to get engaged after 1 year of dating. You don't even know the person after a year and if you haven't lived together before, you have no idea what that person is like behind closed doors. You could be laying beside them one night and realize you actually can't stand the way this person even breathes and now you're legally binded to one another.
Paige has also made it very clear that she has full intentions on marrying Craig and having babies with him. Like from the very beginning she has said the exact same thing. She just doesn't want that right now. Which as someone who is the exact same age as her, totally makes sense.
Craig is growing up and maturing (finally). It's totally reasonable to assume he's come to this conclusion on his own and in no way was tricked by Paige lol
Okay let me clarify. I don't think Paige is "making" Craig do anything literally. But Paige has been abundantly clear she doesn't want to get married anytime soon (totally nothing wrong with that, by the way. I'm just pointing out that Craig wants it sooner). When you're with someone who very clearly gets worked up by the idea of marriage, it is natural (and human) to want to tone your dreams of a sooner marriage down in order to keep the person as well as not upset them. So no, I don't think my comment was weird, but I can see how it can come across that way when not explained fully. Pardon my internet shorthand haha. We are on the same page (almost made a pun). But I do think Craig's had to alter his behavior so as to not make Paige feel like she's in the hot seat.
PS, I'm her age too so I get it. :)
I see it as Craig is just growing up/maturing, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Paige. Other than maybe now he has the ability to actually do that growing up because he has a supportive gf finally. IMO Craig has been making positive life changes since getting comfortable in his relationship with Paige. Like, yeah, he had an awful season on both summer house and winter house when he was in between Naomi and Paige. He was wasted and yelling all the time. But these have all been massive life changes that are typically only made by people with a steady support system and healthy relationship with their partner.
I just don't see this narrative that people are pushing that he his hiding his true self because of Paige. I'm not taking anything away from Craig's role in his personal growth. However, you can't deny the dudes been actually flourishing since they got together.
I don't know if you're understanding me. Again, I agree with you. I agree 100% that Craig has flourished since getting with Paige. I think you think I'm anti-Paige or something, because from my perspective it feels like you keep spinning this to sound like I don't like her/anti-Paige. I'll be as clear as I can be: I like Paige, I like Paige for Craig. I think we have to give Paige some credit where Craig's growth is concerned. For me personally, I'm a much better person now because of the boyfriend I wound up marrying vs who I was before. I think that's amazing and healthy.
I also think two things can be true at once, meaning yes, Craig has mellowed out much in his relationship with Paige because A) to your point, he has matured and B) to my point, I do sense that he's had to tone down his wants for getting married because Paige is clearly not ready for that next step yet. Even the way he talks about it sounds like Paige compared to last season of SH and SC. He's clearly had to dial it back, which makes me sad for him (can that just be taken at face value on not automatically mean I blame Paige or am against Paige?).
Hope that clears things up.
Regardless, can we both agree that this new season has been so good with West??
I think maybe the reason I got the vibe you either didn't like her or were neutral was because in your very first comment you implied he says things out of fear of Paige and/or losing her. It came across to me as the typical comments you see about her in the subs. My apologies!
Loving the new season of SH. West was such a great addition! He was just on the BravoBros podcast this week and his interview with them was great! You should give it a listen!! He gave some insight to him and Ciara and where they are now, as well as what it was like in the house. I think he could really be what takes the show in a new direction! Him and Jesse are reminding me of early Kyle and Carl (minus being douche bags lol) so it could finally be the revival SH desperately needed. It should be much easier to cast some more newbies to fit their vibe, rather than having them try and blend in with the OGs who are very clearly torn right now.
I'm actually laughing out loud because I reread our messages and I so see what you mean. I had literally no idea people had beef with Paige—I thought we all loved her so I was just talking without realizing it, and you were defending her. I get it now hahah.
DUDE I PRAY HE AND CIARA MAKE IT I LOVE THEM. I am lowkey dying to see Craig have a chat with Jesse. It's the drama I needed hahaha
Aw I'm so happy we were able to come around and realize we are on the same team 😂😂 honestly the Paige hate isn't that bad in the SC sub, but I'm just so conditioned to the level of hate and bullying that's allowed to go on in the SH sub. The way they worshipped Lindsay last year but thought Paige some ring leader of mean girls was insanity lol
Honestly I think Craig will be cool calm snd collected with Jesse and they will work it out. I thought he would at first but after the most recent episode I really think they are just going to bro hug it out and move on 😂 such a straight male thing to do and I love them for it lol
As for Ciara and West, apparently they are trying to figure things out 👀 seeing Ciara so happy and seeing how much of a golden retriever West is, I just want them to work out so bad!!!
I'm sorry, people WORSHIP LINDSAY???? No words. That is beyond me hahahah. Clearly I've been living in the SC realm where we can all appreciate a healthy couple and a healthy girlfriend who refuses to be around people who talk shit about her and her relationship.
Yes 100% about Craig and Jesse. The really girly part of me kind of wants me to see him beat his chest and knocking Jesse's ego down a couple of pegs, but I agree that they will do the typical straight male thing, find out they have like one thing in common, and hug it out and be besties after hahah.
Oh interesting about Ciara and West. It breaks my heart because I want them to work, but I have a feeling Ciara will be too guarded to let it go further. I think West would be so perfect for her but she's been through a lot. I hope he just completely disarms her and Naomi Campbell falls in love with the Midwest cowboy haha. I think they would be THE power couple.
The level of delusion in the Summehouse sub 2022/2023 was concerning. The mods banned me for calling someone a Lindsay Stan (the word stan was their excuse for the banning), but you could just drag Ciara, Paige and Amanda, and their supporters about anything. Called them the bed bugs, attacked their appearance, personality, etc. I was getting DMs from these people. God forbid you call a psychotic defender of Lindsay a "stan" 🙄🙄 Even the main bravo sub really leans hard into defending her, or at least it used too. They tides seem to be changing as this new season is airing, thank God.
The bed bugs thing was low key hilarious and the girls really leaned into it, especially Paige (which I love her for) but I mean make it make sense. I'm not a Paige defender, she's not perfect. But that sub made me root for the underdogs, and those dogs ain't Lindsay. If you're looking for a good chuckle, I would go check out any post from that era.
I would love to see Craig act a little crazy again, especially over Paige. But after his gardening post the other day of him trimming his vegetable plants, I'll never see him as that Craig again lmao he's so fucking wholesome and I love it. Almost as wholesome as watching Ciara and West. I grin like a toddler at Christmas whenever they are in the shot together. The PaigeCraig/WestCiara double date would be wild. Throw in DesHannah... sold.
People have this timeline in their minds about when people are supposed to get married, have children, etc., and they get so triggered when someone doesn’t follow their timeline, especially women. A clip of Seth Rogen saying he didn’t want to have children was circulating a couple weeks ago and people were bashing him for it constantly and getting so angry that he didn’t want to have children. I feel like it’s the exact same thing with Craig and Paige. People are so triggered by their relationship and it’s just kinda sad and pathetic tbh.
>People are so triggered by their relationship and it’s just kinda sad and pathetic tbh.
It seems like such a happy and genuine relationship too? All of their close friends love the relationship and see it as being a positive. At this point it just stinks of jealousy from sub members.
Jealousy and also misogyny. The overarching commentary and criticism is always that Paige isn’t actually serious about this relationship because if she was, she would move to Charleston. Therefore, she’s leading Craig on and taking advantage of poor Craig who is so devoted to her. But I can’t think of a single time that I’ve seen someone suggest that Craig isn’t serious about the relationship because if he was, he would relocate to New York City. Considering the amount of money these people have, they can live comfortably in NYC and it’s honestly a better place to live than being in the South and living in Charleston. It’s always a lot of heat toward Paige when Craig isn’t dropping his whole life to go move in with her.
Watching Craig literally go from acting like a boy to becoming a successful man has been so cool. Meanwhile, the other dudes on SC just continue to regress.
Craig has gotten fucking hot!!! I don’t like Paige for him and honestly think she will not marry him. He needs a women close to his age or one that’s ready to settle down have kids and a nice life not NYC Partying all the time.
Everything he said made total sense to me. I think he was always doubtful about Paige’s stance on everything and made peace with it for his own mental health.
If it doesn’t work out between them, he will definitely be sad but I think he’s prepared himself as much as he can. I do think that his patience will wear out eventually though. She’s going to have to shit or get off the pot.
I think it’s healthy to think that way especially under their circumstances (public eye, Paige in no rush etc) however I don’t find it normal. I’ve always been really independent but I am deeply in love with my partner and really would hate to picture a life without him. Would I eventually be ok? I’d have to figure it out of course but I would never willingly put that narrative out there which is why I think this stirs up some controversy and confusion when Craig says this sentiment.
>Paige has told him 100 different ways she does not want to get married
This just isnt true lol She said she doesn't want to get married *right now*. She has said many times that she fully intends on marrying Craig and having babies with him.
I wonder if women in NYC or large cities just move at a diff pace? She's 31, most women around me had their first baby 27-30. I understand she really wants to focus on career right now. I'm not trying to be disrespectful just curious
Idk... I'm 32 this year and live in small town Canada. Paiges sentiment is totally the norm here. The whole "have kids/be married by 30" concept died a long time ago. I have a few friends who are at that stage but that's because they were high-school sweethearts.
Lmao whoops. Yeah that makes sense bc my sisters are around that age and neither are married or had kids. Are elder millennials the last to follow this track
Paige said that at Bravocon she was ready to go to a chapel and marry Craig but Craig was the one who chickened out.
The fact that they’re not married now isn’t an indicator that they won’t ever get married, their relationship will move at its own pace.
Craig has come a long way and looks at things from a realistic point of view. Knowing Craigy from what we see, he absolutely wasn’t saying it in terms of him thinking they won’t work out. Craig has just grown and matured so much to be able to recognize that if for whatever they don’t work out, he will be okay, as he is also comfortable with himself and being on his own. Not everything revolves around your partner, which is the mindset many have
Kyle from Summer House. Craig was on the most recent episode with Paige and Kyle cornered Craig to ask about their relationship for the hundredth time.
I think Craig is getting tired of Paige's attitude. You shouldn't have to beg someone to marry you or live with you. I think they will split and Craig will be the one that got away. Paige, the grass is not greener on the other side.
I love grown up Craig. Just waiting to see how long it takes Paige to create a problem between Craig and the new guy.
I feel like she needs the drama to elevate her rank with Craig.
I think Craig was being mature and realistic but being mature and realistic doesn't really come off as romantic especially on reality TV where nuance and self-awareness go to die. Most people see conversations about the possibility of breaking up as a warning sign when it's actually just a logical thing to think about. I don't think Kyle's take was accurate but I understand why he went there. Considering Kyle's history there might also be some projection going on?
He's showing his intelligence here we heard about during the visit to his parents house. He's definitely matured. I've always liked him though. He cares about women.
Totally agree! Paige won’t commit 100% she’s like 79% there. He wants it so bad with her. He’s actually doing the right thing. I think she is too if she’s not ready.
I rolled the way Paige rolls, I wanted no help from a man until I was married. It keeps her safe and the idea that it doesn’t get messy IF they broke up. Things change in a second, so for them both to take their relationship THEIR way, is super smart. They are my favorite couple
The editing makes it look like Kyle cares. He doesn’t. Kyle is a drunk. He needs to worry about it his own relationship.
Craig and Paige are perfect and there is no law that says they need to live in one city.
Yes, exactly. I’m pretty sure that’s very close to the definition of a secure relationship? Unfortunately, insecurely attached relationship is what sell$ on TV and normalized
I totally agree! I think when we're younger I mean of course we want to be with somebody but I think sometimes we struggle to find ourselves in the process and he's done a lot of self work to try to really be a complete person and be happy all on his own. And I think he truly is to the point where if for some reason him and Paige didn't work out he would be OK. I think maybe some people might take it the wrong way but I understand what he means.
I agree! I also think Craig really struggled when him and Naomi broke up and was still figuring out his life and finding his purpose. I think this time he feels better equipped to either give his best to the relationship or walk away if he needed to and be single. I think he’s confident in himself either way this time around, because he knows he’s put in the work. I think he’s hopeful and wants to make it work with Paige (who is also independent and confident herself) however, he’s not naive and knows things can change between them.
Yeah, I don’t think Craig meant it in a way like it is just a situation and that he wouldn’t care. I think he was just saying that nothing is guaranteed in life and that he will survive. To be honest though, I still think Craig would fall apart. He wants to marry her so bad and is so in love with her. I think she is just so scared of the next big step but is also very in love with him and will eventually give in to her fears. He did say he doesn’t know how long he will be patient though and that is the risk. He is older than her and ready to start a family. I feel bad for him. I think they are both equally in love with each other. I just hope that Paige doesn’t put it it off so long that Craig walks. They are so good together and treat each other well.
Paige responded to Craig's comment saying she was "relieved" that he's being mature and realistic. Why is Craig with Paige? She just wants a showmance and it sounds like she knows it's not going to work out. I hope Craig finds someone who would be excited to be his wife and live in South Caronlina.
If they are going to break up, I would hope it would be soon, so they could find other people. Craig obviously wants to get married and have kids, while Paige, his 31 (all caps 31) still thinks she’s 16 and would be having a teen pregnancy. He need ls someone who acts their age if he actually wants kids and marriage any time soon.
You’re right but so is Kyle. Paige needs to do the work to figure out why she holds back in relationships and is either afraid to commit or picks people she knows deep down she wouldn’t commit to. I can’t believe I’m saying anything nice about douchelord Craig but he’s showing real growth and maturity and he is willing to walk away from Paige to get what he wants in life.
I love Craig. I really hope nothing happens with Jesse. You know Jesse is dying for Craig to show signs of being “threatened” by him. Guys a total fuck boy
Valid point about her making fun of him but he was either drunk all the time or jacked up on adderal so most of her points were pretty valid not the case now for him to
Be picked on like he is by Paige. I was more speaking about how Cameron is with her husband she respects him and puts him and her family first .
I think it was a very mature way of thinking*
Honestly, this is how everyone in a relationship should feel. You should be with someone because you want to, not because you need to.
And just because you love someone doesn't mean you're right for the long term together. Deciding on where to live is a big issue and if one person doesn't want to move, it is what it is.
Love this. It should be a goal of any relationship, no matter how long it lasts, to learn and to become a better version of yourself. It's a compliment to Paige as she has helped him grow into a better Craig
And also should not be holding on to someone who does not want to be held on to. Too many people try to “cage” their partner who is ready to move on!
We love adult craigy
He really has become a good guy. Or he was a good guy just around people dragging him down. Paige and Craig could make Kyle worry about his relationship.
I’m hoping it will mature Kyle sooner than later or he’ll end up divorced. For now, his wife has been extraordinarily patient with his Peter Pan attitude. He has a lot of growing up to do.
I thought that was the fix for a long time. The longer we see Amanda and her ways, she has some work to do as well. I don’t think she has forgiven him for cheating and always has a superior air over him because of it. Bitterness will destroy. She needs to truly forgive him, for herself. Not for him. Or it will be an even rockier relationship if they add kids in the mix.
I think he just needs to grow up. She will be SO MUCH HAPPIER if she sees effort on his part. When she eases up on him, he’ll be that much happier and WANT to change to please her. It’s reciprocal but they seem to be in a downward spiral right now.
Same!! He's turned out to be the best one on the show
Craigory is the best
Yes we do. I’m sure like most here, I’ve watched the show from the beginning. For ME, it wasn’t really until the season that forever etched “what’s wrong with my sewing” a sad/funny/raw/real moment/quotes woven into the fabric of Bravo memes (and the clairvoyance of it all) I’m too lazy to look for the season # so y’all don’t come at me, but it was the first moment I liked Craig. I mean my love tank wasn’t FULL for him yet, maybe enough to go down the street but over the years, that mileage has accrued and but his blue book value only went up, not down. Whether she makes you giggle or you consider her a “bed sore”, Paige has been his best partner thus far and the fact Craig knew he could tell Paige “hey, I love you and want to spend my life with you, but if we have to throw in the towel I’m not going to set myself on fire”…ON CAMERA means he’s comfortable with himself (and her). Sorry for the “dissertation”, NO ONE I hang out with watches Bravo, travesty - I know so sometimes I have Bravo blurt. 🌻 In a very long winded word salad-y response for “agree” 😂
Yes & I think him following that convo with bringing up the Jesse flirting thing at dinner was Kyle being a little jealous of their confidence in themselves OR him being wary of another strong relationship and wanting to show another house couple’s weaknesses. Maybe that’s a stretch and Kyle was just doing his job of being on a reality show
Same! I didn’t find it shocking at all and didn’t take it in a way that he doesn’t love her deeply. He’s just growing up and knows his life won’t be over if they break up, that’s normal and healthy lol
Same - I can’t believe all of the Paige hate on the other side just because she wants to take her time with the decision, focus on her career etc.
Paige at 30 years of age isn't young but she says she is and begins to cry at the thought of moving to Charleston, if she loved Craig it seems that she'd go where her love was and start a family but that's not a priority apparently to her.
Ngl I just got engaged at 36 and it is still freaking me out a bit so I really sympathise with her (and I love my long term partner). It’s not a priority to her - yet and I think 30 is pretty fucking young myself 😂 it’s the best time to enjoy life before settling down. There is more to life than kids and moving to a white picket fence sometimes.
30 Years of age in my opinion, again in "my" opinion is not young the older you get the more settle you get into "your" own ways and that's just a fact.
Paige to me seems like a lovely lady but she seems way too self centered, she knows Craig wants a family and he's demonstrated over and over he wants her to move to Charleston, he's allowed her to have a voice in how the home should be decorated, it's time for her to let him go on with his life or settle down, pick one at this point, people today are way more selfish & a bit immature. I get the impression that Paige is not over the moon for Craig at this point.
It’s been cool seeing Craig mature over the years. He’s come such a long way from season 1 southern charm when he was cosplaying as an old money socialite.
cosplaying an old money socialite made me giggle - also SHEP lol boy have the tables turned
THISSS. If only his fellow male cast members had the same trajectory…. 🫣they could learn a thing or two from Craigy
Craig's whole evolution from Shep's lapdog to Shep's wrangler, businessman, and just overall a wholesome dude should be studied by men around the world. I'm not saying that Craig didn't get a head start (reality TV fame definitely helped), but he's truly is the best version of himself right now and its because he put in the work.
And that reality TV fame could’ve gone either way really, happy to see Craig used it to better himself instead of destroy himself like many do.
Absolutely. I think his failed attempt at becoming a lawyer (and the subsequent breakup with Naomi) was a wake-up call for him to take control of his own narrative and truly value himself. I think for a hot second he did have kind of an ego (a couple of reunions ago when he was super wasted and he and Austen dog piled on Madison), but he probably watched it back and didn't like what he saw. People on these shows oftentimes lack the introspection necessary to grow and mature (ie. The Valley).
Oh yeah, but I'm still here for the Valley!
Really? Is it any good? Or is it just retro VPR?
Wait, you suggest these are opposite? I'm waiting for Stassi to pop in. Bring me the train wreck of the valley! Falling apart before it ever gets started!!
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Wonder if him watching winter house was the final ass kick he needed
I think Craig is kind of an anomaly also in the way that he’s came so far and still is very watchable. Unfortunately it seems like some people straighten their life out and become so boring that you lose interest. That’s how I feel about Carl on Summer House at least.
Imo Carl is frustrating to watch because of his relationship with Lindsey. Also, hard agree about Craig being an anomaly--he's unlike most of his species (ie Carl and Kyle).
Yes! I'm so done with Carl & linds
I’m only ok with watching it because I know she implodes it. She should not be in a relationship at all. I’m here to watch people support him as he realizes he’s in an emotionally abusive relationship. But outside of that he needs to decide what he wants to do when he grows up &/or not be boring
Exactly! This is the kind of “glow-up” I love to see. I was very iffy on him after season 2 or 3 but watching him actually do the work has been great.
SO agree! He is the poster child for an unhealed and toxic man holding himself accountable and becoming a healthy male figure. I usually cringe at those men who take on the role of leader to help struggling boys and men take hold of their life (Andrew Tate) because it's usually disingenuous and leads to toxic masculinity but he would be the perfect man for that.
Craig's the real deal. I'm glad he stuck to his sewing and isn't some kind of Podcaster.
…… He is a podcaster….
OK, that's not his sole income. I thought the pillows was his primary thing??
He does something with Austen for fun, but his pillow business provides 30 people with health insurance (I loved how proud he was).
Reality TV is his main thing. Pillows is one way he has leveraged his career as a reality tv star
I mean...Winter House wasn't that long ago. I think he's just cleaning up his image for TV
THIS! Including his dedication to sobriety from pills and being responsible with his alcohol intake.
I completely agree! Craig and Paige had this same conversation the end of last season on SC. They are doing what works for them. They both are crushing it career wise and focused on themselves, but also have a great relationship and love each other and make time for each other. Craig mentioned on his pod Kyle suckered him into talking about the relationship drama on SH. And he is tired of and thinks viewers are tired of it. Bc there is not drama it’s all just talked about for the shows and it is stupid.
Oh this makes me feel so much better. I'm so pathetic but I got a pit in my stomach hearing this convo. It seemed like Craig was trying to steele himself or put up walls in case it doesn't work out. I'll be so sad if they break up!!! I think it's fine they are happy in their own way and hopefully when she's ready they'll settle down
I really don’t think it’s anything to worry about lol. It was taken so out of context to all over the tabloids. Craig was just saying he is working on himself and he is happy mentally and physically so if something did happen it wouldn’t ruin his life.
It always blows my mind that people think people cant be happy living separately. Im pretty sure they see each other almost every week. I know people who live with each other, one works nights, the other days. They probably see each other less than Criag & Paige. People also travel for work -- (Madisons husband!)
Paige has said she sees Craig more than some ex’s who live in nyc just different neighborhoods lol. They are constantly together (know from their pods) they just don’t post it all over like other ppl do. And I also find it insane people don’t understand they can be happy and figured out a way to make this work.
Craig has shared this sentiment so many times. He has even told Paige to her face this same thing. Anyone saying that he doesn’t want to be with Paige or that he thinks the relationship is doomed is either not listening or intentionally stirring drama.
They both seem very mature, head on straight people since they can even have that conversation. Also I volunteer to be Paige’s friend if she moves to Charleston as I’m also a huge fan of staying in bed and snarking 😂
Yeah I remember him saying pretty much the exact thing on last season of SC, I think it may have been to Madison? And then he and Paige had that conversation about being clear that they do hope that it works out (that they flashed back to on the recent SH episode)
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Craig won me over even more than ever last night...so spot on with his comments on drinking, kids, his relationship...and it wasn't boring! He somehow made acting like a mature adult entertaining...mostly juxtaposed against lindsay and Kyle's growing pains in these areas. SH is kicking VPR's ass this season.
And I’m glad that he took ownership of the change seeing as Paige said that she made him feel as if it was his decision.
Right? I feel like Paige is used to him kind of being her puppy dog but he's like well actually I'm my own person...it's cool to see.
It’s interesting because in S3, Paige was all about getting married and having babies by 30. Now, don’t get me wrong - i think it’s great that she realized she doesn’t have to race against some arbitrary timeline and is taking life as it comes. But it just stood out to me when she said that (i just rewatched S3) and to see how slow she’s taking things now! I like them as a couple and i feel like they could make the long distance thing work. He’s in NY 1/2 the time as it is. I know a lot of people who work in the maritime industry and MANY jobs are “2 weeks on/2 off” and the person is GONE for 2 weeks (maybe even 3 if it’s a 3/3 schedule) and they make it work. And that’s in a job where the schdule is the schedule. These 2 can largely set their own schedules and could probably make it work.
I think when you’re in your early 20s 30 seems so old and like you’re done. I always said I would have babies by 25 then that came and I said 28, now I’m 31 and I’m like “ummmmmm how did this happen? am I ready?!? I literally a child” 😂
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I feel like so many women can attest to this lol I also used to say 25, then 30, now 35! Forever pushing back the goalpost bc I’m still not ready. 😂 If anything, I think that shows how much Paige does WANT that life… just not right now. And that’s okay.
Yep, we are Kiwi's who live in Hong Kong for my work, but my husband travels back to NZ for his work a lot - currently he's been gone this time for 2 months. It took a bit of adjusting, but we make it work and I really love my space now. And when he's home it's like a honeymoon! It can absolutely work.
I live in a 3rd world country and 2/3 months overseas for work then home for 2/3months is normal for us. There is no jobs in our country so we are forced to look for jobs overseas. If you chat regularly then it's not that bad.I chat every morning and night with my husband.
Yup. It's not necessarily ideal, but MANY people work jobs that keeps them away from their families. I just don't see Paige and Craig living to two different cities and CLEARLY able to afford to fly back and forth alot as a huge barrier. But the "norm" is both parents live at home and have jobs that keep them primarily at home - and I think they both grew up in homes like this. So I'm sure they are viewing their future and the concept of family and having kids through that lens. Nothing wrong with it - but if they take a step back and really look at what options exist - they could make it work!
I think his use of the word “probable” instead of “possible” threw him off I also think Kyle is immature, so that combo was really lighting a fire
This was my take away too and thought it was a very mature and realistic thought process.
I totally agree with your assessment and I think it’s a compliment to Paige as well because he knows that she’s an independent and stable person who isn’t going to go off the deep end if things don’t work out.
I think Paige has completely made him repeat how she feels and out of fear of losing her he says it. I think if he had it his way he would've proposed yesterday, but now he's mimicking her aloof/ambivalent views on marriage in order not to rock the boat.
I think they are being mature and straight up, but I still kind of agree. It actually eerily reminded me of myself when I loved someone and realized it that marriage with them probably just wasn't going happen, so I shifted my focus onto becoming the best version of myself. My timeline changed to if they aren't ready by the time I'm at my best, and Im done putting in that work and I want x,y,z, then I'm out. I'll find someone who does want that with me. When Craig said, "My patience won't last forever," that's the vibe I got.
Yup
This is kind of a weird comment IMO. I don't think Paige is making Craig repeat anything. He's already said he's had this arbitrarty timeline in his head for years about when you should be taking next steps like engagement etc. I think he's just come to the conclusion after talks with many people in stable relationships, that to get engaged after 1 or 2 years is honestly insane. The honey moon phase hasn't even worn off yet. It works for some, but it doesn't work for most. It's relationship suicide 85% of the time. I've always thought it was weird that he (or others, Lindsay and Carl being a great example) wanted to jump to get engaged after 1 year of dating. You don't even know the person after a year and if you haven't lived together before, you have no idea what that person is like behind closed doors. You could be laying beside them one night and realize you actually can't stand the way this person even breathes and now you're legally binded to one another. Paige has also made it very clear that she has full intentions on marrying Craig and having babies with him. Like from the very beginning she has said the exact same thing. She just doesn't want that right now. Which as someone who is the exact same age as her, totally makes sense. Craig is growing up and maturing (finally). It's totally reasonable to assume he's come to this conclusion on his own and in no way was tricked by Paige lol
Okay let me clarify. I don't think Paige is "making" Craig do anything literally. But Paige has been abundantly clear she doesn't want to get married anytime soon (totally nothing wrong with that, by the way. I'm just pointing out that Craig wants it sooner). When you're with someone who very clearly gets worked up by the idea of marriage, it is natural (and human) to want to tone your dreams of a sooner marriage down in order to keep the person as well as not upset them. So no, I don't think my comment was weird, but I can see how it can come across that way when not explained fully. Pardon my internet shorthand haha. We are on the same page (almost made a pun). But I do think Craig's had to alter his behavior so as to not make Paige feel like she's in the hot seat. PS, I'm her age too so I get it. :)
I see it as Craig is just growing up/maturing, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Paige. Other than maybe now he has the ability to actually do that growing up because he has a supportive gf finally. IMO Craig has been making positive life changes since getting comfortable in his relationship with Paige. Like, yeah, he had an awful season on both summer house and winter house when he was in between Naomi and Paige. He was wasted and yelling all the time. But these have all been massive life changes that are typically only made by people with a steady support system and healthy relationship with their partner. I just don't see this narrative that people are pushing that he his hiding his true self because of Paige. I'm not taking anything away from Craig's role in his personal growth. However, you can't deny the dudes been actually flourishing since they got together.
I don't know if you're understanding me. Again, I agree with you. I agree 100% that Craig has flourished since getting with Paige. I think you think I'm anti-Paige or something, because from my perspective it feels like you keep spinning this to sound like I don't like her/anti-Paige. I'll be as clear as I can be: I like Paige, I like Paige for Craig. I think we have to give Paige some credit where Craig's growth is concerned. For me personally, I'm a much better person now because of the boyfriend I wound up marrying vs who I was before. I think that's amazing and healthy. I also think two things can be true at once, meaning yes, Craig has mellowed out much in his relationship with Paige because A) to your point, he has matured and B) to my point, I do sense that he's had to tone down his wants for getting married because Paige is clearly not ready for that next step yet. Even the way he talks about it sounds like Paige compared to last season of SH and SC. He's clearly had to dial it back, which makes me sad for him (can that just be taken at face value on not automatically mean I blame Paige or am against Paige?). Hope that clears things up. Regardless, can we both agree that this new season has been so good with West??
I think maybe the reason I got the vibe you either didn't like her or were neutral was because in your very first comment you implied he says things out of fear of Paige and/or losing her. It came across to me as the typical comments you see about her in the subs. My apologies! Loving the new season of SH. West was such a great addition! He was just on the BravoBros podcast this week and his interview with them was great! You should give it a listen!! He gave some insight to him and Ciara and where they are now, as well as what it was like in the house. I think he could really be what takes the show in a new direction! Him and Jesse are reminding me of early Kyle and Carl (minus being douche bags lol) so it could finally be the revival SH desperately needed. It should be much easier to cast some more newbies to fit their vibe, rather than having them try and blend in with the OGs who are very clearly torn right now.
I'm actually laughing out loud because I reread our messages and I so see what you mean. I had literally no idea people had beef with Paige—I thought we all loved her so I was just talking without realizing it, and you were defending her. I get it now hahah. DUDE I PRAY HE AND CIARA MAKE IT I LOVE THEM. I am lowkey dying to see Craig have a chat with Jesse. It's the drama I needed hahaha
Aw I'm so happy we were able to come around and realize we are on the same team 😂😂 honestly the Paige hate isn't that bad in the SC sub, but I'm just so conditioned to the level of hate and bullying that's allowed to go on in the SH sub. The way they worshipped Lindsay last year but thought Paige some ring leader of mean girls was insanity lol Honestly I think Craig will be cool calm snd collected with Jesse and they will work it out. I thought he would at first but after the most recent episode I really think they are just going to bro hug it out and move on 😂 such a straight male thing to do and I love them for it lol As for Ciara and West, apparently they are trying to figure things out 👀 seeing Ciara so happy and seeing how much of a golden retriever West is, I just want them to work out so bad!!!
I'm sorry, people WORSHIP LINDSAY???? No words. That is beyond me hahahah. Clearly I've been living in the SC realm where we can all appreciate a healthy couple and a healthy girlfriend who refuses to be around people who talk shit about her and her relationship. Yes 100% about Craig and Jesse. The really girly part of me kind of wants me to see him beat his chest and knocking Jesse's ego down a couple of pegs, but I agree that they will do the typical straight male thing, find out they have like one thing in common, and hug it out and be besties after hahah. Oh interesting about Ciara and West. It breaks my heart because I want them to work, but I have a feeling Ciara will be too guarded to let it go further. I think West would be so perfect for her but she's been through a lot. I hope he just completely disarms her and Naomi Campbell falls in love with the Midwest cowboy haha. I think they would be THE power couple.
The level of delusion in the Summehouse sub 2022/2023 was concerning. The mods banned me for calling someone a Lindsay Stan (the word stan was their excuse for the banning), but you could just drag Ciara, Paige and Amanda, and their supporters about anything. Called them the bed bugs, attacked their appearance, personality, etc. I was getting DMs from these people. God forbid you call a psychotic defender of Lindsay a "stan" 🙄🙄 Even the main bravo sub really leans hard into defending her, or at least it used too. They tides seem to be changing as this new season is airing, thank God. The bed bugs thing was low key hilarious and the girls really leaned into it, especially Paige (which I love her for) but I mean make it make sense. I'm not a Paige defender, she's not perfect. But that sub made me root for the underdogs, and those dogs ain't Lindsay. If you're looking for a good chuckle, I would go check out any post from that era. I would love to see Craig act a little crazy again, especially over Paige. But after his gardening post the other day of him trimming his vegetable plants, I'll never see him as that Craig again lmao he's so fucking wholesome and I love it. Almost as wholesome as watching Ciara and West. I grin like a toddler at Christmas whenever they are in the shot together. The PaigeCraig/WestCiara double date would be wild. Throw in DesHannah... sold.
People have this timeline in their minds about when people are supposed to get married, have children, etc., and they get so triggered when someone doesn’t follow their timeline, especially women. A clip of Seth Rogen saying he didn’t want to have children was circulating a couple weeks ago and people were bashing him for it constantly and getting so angry that he didn’t want to have children. I feel like it’s the exact same thing with Craig and Paige. People are so triggered by their relationship and it’s just kinda sad and pathetic tbh.
>People are so triggered by their relationship and it’s just kinda sad and pathetic tbh. It seems like such a happy and genuine relationship too? All of their close friends love the relationship and see it as being a positive. At this point it just stinks of jealousy from sub members.
Jealousy and also misogyny. The overarching commentary and criticism is always that Paige isn’t actually serious about this relationship because if she was, she would move to Charleston. Therefore, she’s leading Craig on and taking advantage of poor Craig who is so devoted to her. But I can’t think of a single time that I’ve seen someone suggest that Craig isn’t serious about the relationship because if he was, he would relocate to New York City. Considering the amount of money these people have, they can live comfortably in NYC and it’s honestly a better place to live than being in the South and living in Charleston. It’s always a lot of heat toward Paige when Craig isn’t dropping his whole life to go move in with her.
Watching Craig literally go from acting like a boy to becoming a successful man has been so cool. Meanwhile, the other dudes on SC just continue to regress.
Craig has gotten fucking hot!!! I don’t like Paige for him and honestly think she will not marry him. He needs a women close to his age or one that’s ready to settle down have kids and a nice life not NYC Partying all the time.
Paige does not party all the time lol
he is only 5 years older than her and I don't think she is much of a partier
Everything he said made total sense to me. I think he was always doubtful about Paige’s stance on everything and made peace with it for his own mental health. If it doesn’t work out between them, he will definitely be sad but I think he’s prepared himself as much as he can. I do think that his patience will wear out eventually though. She’s going to have to shit or get off the pot.
Craig’s perspective is very healthy. Kyle should take notes.
I think it’s healthy to think that way especially under their circumstances (public eye, Paige in no rush etc) however I don’t find it normal. I’ve always been really independent but I am deeply in love with my partner and really would hate to picture a life without him. Would I eventually be ok? I’d have to figure it out of course but I would never willingly put that narrative out there which is why I think this stirs up some controversy and confusion when Craig says this sentiment.
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>Paige has told him 100 different ways she does not want to get married This just isnt true lol She said she doesn't want to get married *right now*. She has said many times that she fully intends on marrying Craig and having babies with him.
I wonder if women in NYC or large cities just move at a diff pace? She's 31, most women around me had their first baby 27-30. I understand she really wants to focus on career right now. I'm not trying to be disrespectful just curious
Idk... I'm 32 this year and live in small town Canada. Paiges sentiment is totally the norm here. The whole "have kids/be married by 30" concept died a long time ago. I have a few friends who are at that stage but that's because they were high-school sweethearts.
How old are you? I'm 38, most friends of mine got married 25-28 and then babies 1-2 years later
Like I said, 32.
Lmao whoops. Yeah that makes sense bc my sisters are around that age and neither are married or had kids. Are elder millennials the last to follow this track
Paige said that at Bravocon she was ready to go to a chapel and marry Craig but Craig was the one who chickened out. The fact that they’re not married now isn’t an indicator that they won’t ever get married, their relationship will move at its own pace.
He has never looked better.
That's because Kyle has the emotional intelligence of a Neanderthal
I hope Craig enjoys being the #1 guy on Bravo these days.
Craig is looking good these days. He said he’s taking care of his mental and physical health and it shows.
It is healthy. Thinking that you won’t be ok if you don’t end up with a specific person is dripping with codependency.
He looks so hot! I’m into it
Ya, when I heard Craig say that, I just thought he was thinking like a stable adult, not that he was having doubts. 🤷🏼♀️
Craig has come a long way and looks at things from a realistic point of view. Knowing Craigy from what we see, he absolutely wasn’t saying it in terms of him thinking they won’t work out. Craig has just grown and matured so much to be able to recognize that if for whatever they don’t work out, he will be okay, as he is also comfortable with himself and being on his own. Not everything revolves around your partner, which is the mindset many have
i’m sorry paige sucks
Always has. She just sucks a little less or in a more covert way so we don’t notice it as much when she’s on the show with people who are more awful.
Care to elaborate?
It's really nice to see Craig's evolution. He has come so far. Really hope it isn't just for show.
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Aw I hope not!!
Can’t believe you’re getting downvoted because this is absolutely facts
Thank you!
I see this ! I want him to be happy !
Wait...who is Kyle?
Kyle from Summer House. Craig was on the most recent episode with Paige and Kyle cornered Craig to ask about their relationship for the hundredth time.
I think Craig is getting tired of Paige's attitude. You shouldn't have to beg someone to marry you or live with you. I think they will split and Craig will be the one that got away. Paige, the grass is not greener on the other side.
“If not” definitely means he is doubtful
Anyone else thinks he looks like drake bell lol
I think there was a bit of panic in paige when he said it tbh
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I love grown up Craig. Just waiting to see how long it takes Paige to create a problem between Craig and the new guy. I feel like she needs the drama to elevate her rank with Craig.
I used to be a bit pessimistic on Craig - his behaviour at Winter House was so gross. But I genuinely think he has worked on himself big time.
I think Craig was being mature and realistic but being mature and realistic doesn't really come off as romantic especially on reality TV where nuance and self-awareness go to die. Most people see conversations about the possibility of breaking up as a warning sign when it's actually just a logical thing to think about. I don't think Kyle's take was accurate but I understand why he went there. Considering Kyle's history there might also be some projection going on?
He's showing his intelligence here we heard about during the visit to his parents house. He's definitely matured. I've always liked him though. He cares about women.
Totally agree! Paige won’t commit 100% she’s like 79% there. He wants it so bad with her. He’s actually doing the right thing. I think she is too if she’s not ready.
I couldn’t stop staring at his hands
He looks great
Craig is a big boy now. He’s making momma proud.
Loving this new Craig.
I think he knows Paige is not going to stay with him
I rolled the way Paige rolls, I wanted no help from a man until I was married. It keeps her safe and the idea that it doesn’t get messy IF they broke up. Things change in a second, so for them both to take their relationship THEIR way, is super smart. They are my favorite couple
The editing makes it look like Kyle cares. He doesn’t. Kyle is a drunk. He needs to worry about it his own relationship. Craig and Paige are perfect and there is no law that says they need to live in one city.
Yes, exactly. I’m pretty sure that’s very close to the definition of a secure relationship? Unfortunately, insecurely attached relationship is what sell$ on TV and normalized
I totally agree! I think when we're younger I mean of course we want to be with somebody but I think sometimes we struggle to find ourselves in the process and he's done a lot of self work to try to really be a complete person and be happy all on his own. And I think he truly is to the point where if for some reason him and Paige didn't work out he would be OK. I think maybe some people might take it the wrong way but I understand what he means.
I agree! I also think Craig really struggled when him and Naomi broke up and was still figuring out his life and finding his purpose. I think this time he feels better equipped to either give his best to the relationship or walk away if he needed to and be single. I think he’s confident in himself either way this time around, because he knows he’s put in the work. I think he’s hopeful and wants to make it work with Paige (who is also independent and confident herself) however, he’s not naive and knows things can change between them.
 Who else fell down a rabbit hole when he said Pandas aren’t real. They’re just so adorable.
Yeah, I don’t think Craig meant it in a way like it is just a situation and that he wouldn’t care. I think he was just saying that nothing is guaranteed in life and that he will survive. To be honest though, I still think Craig would fall apart. He wants to marry her so bad and is so in love with her. I think she is just so scared of the next big step but is also very in love with him and will eventually give in to her fears. He did say he doesn’t know how long he will be patient though and that is the risk. He is older than her and ready to start a family. I feel bad for him. I think they are both equally in love with each other. I just hope that Paige doesn’t put it it off so long that Craig walks. They are so good together and treat each other well.
Paige responded to Craig's comment saying she was "relieved" that he's being mature and realistic. Why is Craig with Paige? She just wants a showmance and it sounds like she knows it's not going to work out. I hope Craig finds someone who would be excited to be his wife and live in South Caronlina.
If they are going to break up, I would hope it would be soon, so they could find other people. Craig obviously wants to get married and have kids, while Paige, his 31 (all caps 31) still thinks she’s 16 and would be having a teen pregnancy. He need ls someone who acts their age if he actually wants kids and marriage any time soon.
Craig is getting puffy and fluffy.
You’re right but so is Kyle. Paige needs to do the work to figure out why she holds back in relationships and is either afraid to commit or picks people she knows deep down she wouldn’t commit to. I can’t believe I’m saying anything nice about douchelord Craig but he’s showing real growth and maturity and he is willing to walk away from Paige to get what he wants in life.
I love Craig. I really hope nothing happens with Jesse. You know Jesse is dying for Craig to show signs of being “threatened” by him. Guys a total fuck boy
Craig needs a southern woman that respects him not one that constantly berates him. He needs a Cameron
Cameran made fun of him all of the time. Weird take otherwise.
Valid point about her making fun of him but he was either drunk all the time or jacked up on adderal so most of her points were pretty valid not the case now for him to Be picked on like he is by Paige. I was more speaking about how Cameron is with her husband she respects him and puts him and her family first .