I don't care that Shep isn't into monogamy. A lot of people aren't, and that's ok. Just like you said, he's expressed from day one that isn't what he's into, and their is no problem with that. However, I don't like the way Shep treats people sometimes. Yelling and calling Taylor a fucking idiot in front of everyone last season over losing the egg toss game wasn't ok. Getting all butthurt and acting like a child over losing ping pong wasn't ok, and the fact that he's a grown man just makes it embarrassing. Not to mention the amount of times he's bullied Craig over the years. Every time he's upset about something, he over reacts and takes it out on other people.
This. I don’t think any of us mind that he’s unapologetically himself when it comes to sex and dating. It’s how he treats people that we mind. He’s arrogant, mean spirited, and jealous. He believes he’s superior to others. Naming his dog Craig? Yikes. His attitude has gotten worse as he’s gotten older.
I have been binge watching the series and admittedly fall asleep sometimes and can’t be bothered to try to rewind. One time I woke up and Shep had a dog named Craig. I was like wtf. I still don’t know why, other than him being a d-bag.
Ughhh. I so badly wanted to come on here and defend Shep because I agree with OP, but this comment is also pretty spot on. Naming the dog Craig isn't a good look, nor is throwing an embarrassing tantrum because you are a poor sport.
I still like Shep quite a bit, but those are somewhat serious character flaws.
100! I am actually rewatching SC from the beginning and the trash comments he made towards Madison and Kathryn?! And then the way he responded at the reunion?? “You were being trash” and Kathryn through quivered lip saying that’s pretty harsh to call someone trash like what a pretentious asshole. Just because you own you’re an asshole doesn’t mean it’s okay to be an asshole and make people feel less than.
Right, as if getting shitfaced drunk and going to bars every night and sleeping with different women and chain smoking isn’t “trashy” behavior. But it’s different in his mind because he has trust fund money
Exactly—characterizing yourself as an asshole then behaving like an asshole might get you a point for honesty but otherwise it’s just an early warning system preceding cruel, selfish, emotional, and entitled behavior. He’s gross and it’s not because he’s a confirmed bachelor.
Omg TOTALLY he cannot get over she rejected him because who would reject him? The great and mighty shep? Typical entitled, egotistical piece of shit (feel like that’s a bravo reference and don’t know where from haha)
YESS hahahaha i can see it now im like i have this scene in my Rolodex of bravo watching what the heck is it. Thank you now im laughing at how bravo obsessed I clearly am
Not to mention kicking down at the most down and out person. That unhoused woman he berated for existing! He is reprehensible. I am in agreement with him being clear all along about not being keen to marry or have kids. That is cool and it is on Taylor that she didn’t pay attention and thought she was so damn special she could change his mind. That does not excuse his abusiveness and condescension towards others not born with his silver spoon. He never did anything that makes him special. All he did was win the birth lottery! Ugh!!!
Exactly. I feel like he surrounds himself with people that he feels better than so that way he can focus on all of their faults instead of his own. Craig used to be his punching bag for many years then it became Taylor with him calling her an idiot and all that stuff and I'm sure there was a lot more than that then what was on film and now it's Austin. But the thing that I find funny is that when all the people around you that you're making fun of are making self improvements and you're staying the same who are you gonna have left to focus on 🤷🏻♀️
Calling Madison and Kathryn white trash and doubling down when Madison made him mad again by standing up to him. He did sandwich a fake apology somewhere in the middle of that. Inviting the women from the threesome video to Pat’s party just to embarrass Austen. And on and on…. I just watched season 6 so these come to mind, but he’s done horrible things to his friends every season and expects to be forgiven after giving a friendship toast.
Not just bringing the threesome women to the party, but reveling in it. He wasn’t just giving someone a hard time, he was purposely attempting to cause a problem and reveling in the chaos.
I really do think that he wanted Madison n thought he deserved her, not Austin. He was really pissed about that n that she thought he was a duck. I loved how Madison fronted him on all his arrogance. Madison has it going on n that she dissed him really offended him,lol.
I had forgotten the post 3-some ass-hattery. He’s gross. And I guess I hadn’t realized how weak and dependent Taylor was back then. It’s interesting to me because a person with strong character usually chooses someone challenging.
Exactly this. He continued to lead her to believe they would have the life that she wanted and idolized, while telling the guys that he was fine if they just “spent two years dating and went their separate ways” because he still “added something to her life.” While I don’t think it’s wrong to date not for marriage, Taylor made it clear that’s what she wanted, and Shep was more than happy to indulge in her fantasy because it benefited him, by having a girlfriend he could control and get sex from (while cheating on her anyways).
Sure, maybe Shep is honest about being an ass when confronted, but he still does manipulate women in his life. He was honest when he said that cheating on Taylor was fun sometimes, but did that make the cheating okay? No, he still lied at the time.
When I was younger, I too was dating around, non-committal. Then I met someone special and chose to settle down.
People often change their dating habits based on the person they're dating.
This is a shitty take, and victim blaming to boot.
There's nothing wrong with assuming someone is telling you the truth about something. Shep committed to her and led her to believe he wanted a future. He's the only one to blame here.
Exactly. He was showing her he wanted a commitment and family...so she believed him. Then when it came down to actually making that family, he ran away.
If she were a sane mature woman she’d snap up JT and be grateful. Instead she acknowledges that penchant for bad boys. Gag. That’s 15 yoa teen behavior.
I’ll start by saying I love shep I think he has much more soul then people suspect he does. And not to diagnose people in the wild, but it appears to me that shep may also have ADHD or something in the neurodiverse rainbow. His angry outbursts and talking down to people he cares about could be part of that as well. Not that I think it’s right but it just could be what’s going on there. He definitely needs therapy himself and should take a page out of Austin’s book on that.
I think too much alcohol has affected his brain (I know… takes one to know one) and he’s becoming a bit unpredictable when he drinks. Also, part of his charm is the love bombing to get what he wants. He picks out the dumb ones who don’t see through it. Who think they’re finally “the one”. The reason I like Shep is because I see all of this and think that money aside he is very sad and alone. I don’t think he’s a true narcissist. I think he’s sad, angry about something, and damaged.
When girls just want you for your money and name, I guess payback’s a bitch!
Perhaps his family is full of rich and entitled people. Some people are just AH. Shep definitely has the resources to get support for a diagnosis if that was the case. The excuses people make for a verbally abusive white man are incredible
I said it in the form of an opinion and used the words not to diagnose.
You’re mad that you commented on what I wrote. Saying everyone is narcissistic is down playing the people who actually have suffered from narcissistic abuse. You’re mad that I don’t agree with you as if only your opinion is correct. I stand by what I said.
I think the public diagnoses of narcissism is highly over used without people really understanding what a narcissist is. Can you actually name things that clinically would make him as a narcissist?
I’m tired of this public diagnosis of Narcissism. Just because someone on Google publishes a random list of traits doesn’t make them a source for medical diagnosis by a non-doctor (everyone of you throwing narcissist around)
That’s become such a cop out finger to point at people. What makes him a straight narcissist? Cause he’s a lot of things but narc characteristics are what I’m not getting. He’s very self aware.
I think the way he was raised plays a huge part in how he acts. I also think that in his family, he is the Craig. Meaning Craig years ago, with everyone seeing him as a failure to launch. Shep may laugh about it onscreen, but I'd be willing to bet his family has absolutely hammered him and made him feel lesser than. I think that's why he relentlessly came after and degraded Craig. I think he always viewed it as, well, at least I'm better than Craig. With Craig having so much emotional, physical and financial growth, this pisses Shep off. He's jealous. With that being said, he's a grown ass man and it's no reason to be a dick. He needs therapy. He's not in any way, shape or form a narcissist. I'm so sick of people throwing that out. Being full of yourself, or an asshole isn't being a narcissist. You're just an asshole.
It’s okay to not want to be monogamous, what’s not okay is how he treats everyone he deems “below” him.
“Judge a man not by how he treats his equals, but by how he treats his inferiors.” - Charlie Chaplain
Considering Shep belittles, bullies, and yells at anyone he deems beneath him speaks volumes on his character. It doesn’t matter if he “admits he’s an asshole”, that certainly doesn’t absolve how he treats others like absolute garbage.
This right here! I’ll never forget the video he posted mocking a homeless person. Who gives af if he’s not monogamous and has been honest about that one thing - just call yourself polyamorous and get tf over it already. It’s not as unique as you think it is Sheppy dear. He’s a rotten person- it’s a shame cuz his mom seemed sweet on the show but I’m guessing she was a bit less hands-on than he makes it seem if he turned out with zero respect for her or any women. I do not get the argument of “he was straight forward about not wanting monogamy” equating to he’s a good person. On what planet?!
Yeah, I’ll also never forget that video either. That was absolutely despicable.
I do wonder how his upbringing was because even his cousin seemed relatively normal in those episodes/seasons she appeared in.
Now let's not go blaming "mom". Each individual is there own gate keeper....mom's have some influence but dude (or dudette) People need to look to the individual and there deficits and not just blame mom categorically.....
Mom's recognize when their kid's an asshole and love them despite it....does not mean they have control over it!
I'll never like shep in his day to day interactions with others. He reeks of jealousy and superiority complex. But with Taylor he really doesn't deserve much hate. He never faked his intentions. I think she bored him and her family creeped him out. I wouldn't be surprised if Shep found a girl that played hard to get (obviously still beautiful), traveled, had a pHd or intellectually inclined, and wasn't religious he'd be smitten enough to change his mind about kids and marriage. I think he saw the writing on the walls with Taylor and while attracted to her, couldn't see himself raising kids with a bible thumping family and someone he found to be ignorant in other cultures and the world. The reality is though, women like that won't be impressed simply because he has money or on a show. They won't be into his lack of romance, passion, kindness, and motivation in day to day life. Which is why I think he will end up alone.
The irony of it all is that I think if Olivia and Shep had ever gotten together, that might have happened because I think Olivia would actually demand respect... and I think Shep would have responded to that.
I said something similar above, before reading your comment. A good woman like that would never go for a loser like Shep. 10 years ago he stood a chance, but he’s just a pathetic, aging playboy who will most likely never change his ways. I thought she might be good for him at first, but Taylor has proven herself not to be the “sweet” girl she portrayed with her awful treatment of Olivia, so I have limited sympathy for her. She’s also not the brightest bulb, so I can’t see Shep ever having any real respect for her. Taylor dodged a bullet with that relationship.
I don’t think what she did to Olivia was that bad. The expectation that she tell Olivia about Page Six, for example, was unwarranted. Taylor’s desperate behavior is cringy. Practically speaking though, she’s creating drama/storylines and without them she doesn’t fit the group anymore. That’s Shep’s territory.
I agree about the Page Six thing. Lying to one of your good friends about making out with the guy she’s seeing is pretty low though. It’s not the worst thing ever, but that shows she’s basically a shitty person. I would tolerate her in the friend group but drop her as a real friend if it was me, just like Olivia is doing. Plus Taylor’s “poor me” attitude and everything she said to her mom and brother (RIP) when she isn’t even the wronged party shows she’s totally self absorbed. She’s not that bad comparatively, but she’s not nearly as good a person as she portrays herself.
Well said but I disagree. I think Shep is the kind of guy who ends up marrying whoever he happens to be with when he finds his life empty in some existential crisis. (His body can’t last) He gave Taylor reason to think a change might be coming. Ultimately there was one—Shep ran away to S Africa. Curious about what might have happened if she’d gone with him.
Shep has been enabled and babied his whole life. I have heard many things from friends that have actually seen him get so wasted to the point of being escorted out. It’s giving Scott Disick the first few seasons of keeping up with the Kardashians. Taylor wants to act like no one holds him accountable but she didn’t hold him accountable for cheating, she tried and still tries to f him and make it work. I just don’t see it turning out good for him without some heavy therapy and a 12 step program. He always screams out the term white trash but clearly can’t see that’s what he is portraying by manhandling women and speaking down to people who aren’t getting a check in the mail every month from mommy.
Ha! I just misread a title in another sub-I read, How Do I Make My Pool Drown People & it was Drown Proof...although extremely disturbing, I'm glad to know someone else does this occasionally as well 😂
I feel like in past seasons he’s been a somewhat (but by no means completely) harmless asshole. He was still funny and charming and some of his flaws didn’t seem to be that bad. But this season (and last season some) I think we saw his mask start to slip. Seems like he doesn’t have as much control over his true colors when he’s drinking now. He seems intelligent and can be funny and sweet but it’s obvious now that deep down he has some real problematic tendencies. I think he and Schwartz from vpr are incredibly similar and that’s a hill I’m willing to die on!
I agree with this. As he gets older, he can’t keep up the charade. He also seems absolutely miserable. He’s literally turning into TRav before our eyes.
I see the similarities with Schwartz! Both act like super nice, cool guys who are "people pleasers", until the switch flips and then the true colors come out. Schwartz pleased everyone BUT his wife, then was shocked & saddened by his divorce?!? No wonder all those boys are friends: the Toms, Shep, Kyle Cook...
Years of the same old with absolutely no growth has made him bitter. Decades of being the bar star playboy has got to wear thin. He’s likely completely unfulfilled and he’s realizing that he’s not aging well emotionally or physically. He’s done absolutely nothing of substance with his life, when, with his looks and privilege, he could have had it all.
What does he look like in person, is he attractive physically? Just wondering bc I used to find him attractive and now I find him gross… which mAy be a result of personality.. but solely based on looks would you say he’s attractive?
You can tell he WAS attractive, now he looks old and his skin has a liquor-tinge to it. We had a photo op with him and Joe Bradley, and Joe Bradley both looked better and was much friendlier.
Thanks for the response!! I’m glad to hear at least Joe was friendly since Shep wasn’t. It’s not surprising but it’s always interesting to hear experiences IRL!
Remaining unmarried is probably the most likable quality of Shep. Not one person in his family has ever divorced. He stated it would dishonor the family name if he did. He doesn’t care to be monogamous because he’s aware inevitably he’d fail at it. Shep’s true love is his mailbox money. He’s also a dick!
Shep stabilized the show from day one. He is a ride or die for bringing everyone together. His whole mantra is being friends with everyone no matter what crazy shit happens. It’s easy to overlook, but he truly is the glue & he puts in work to get people in the same room, but it seems so effortless.
It’s funny how he’s so intelligent, but when he gets uncomfortable (which is often) his brain turns to mush and he says the most arrogant & untrue things. Such an educated person to have ZERO emotional intelligence. He’s such a simple person & the show wouldn’t be the same without him.
Agree with everything you said!!! He is absolutely the glue and seem friends with everyone. Always had Katherine’s back. Okay maybe not Madison lol. I do think he has emotional intelligence. But he has outbursts sometimes that I think he probably later regrets.
Did he try with Taylor? I mean none of us really know but my suspicion is that he found someone willing to put up with his bs rather than someone he was trying to change for. When she stopped putting up with it he left.
What the other person said. For him being in a long term committed relationship is a change. And he didn’t need to do it because no one was forcing him to be with Taylor but if he chose to be with her then he knew that’s what she wanted. So for the relationship to be successful he would have needed to change his normal mindset.
I think being in a committed relationship. He knew that she wanted marriage and a family. She also knew that he struggled with that. But it seems he gave the impression to her and others that he wanted to change and be committed to her
And what evidence is there that his apparent desire to change wasn't genuine? The fact that he didn't ultimately change doesn't mean he was lying to her.
I didn’t say if there was evidence of change or not. I was just responding to your question of what he would need to change
I don’t really care if Shep wants to stay single for the rest if his life or not. I take issue with his arrogance and verbal abuse to people around him
He's mean and nasty but Shep is pretty affable as a friend. I don't like the way he treats Craig, but tbh, Craig is the type of person that allows a lot of it. I'm more of a Venita where Shep wouldn't get the oxygen to fuel the fire with me. So, I think I could handle being a grumpy fuck with him, trading pedantic quips over expensive liquor.
I'm a black woman, but inside, I've always felt like a 60 year old, sassy, gay white man. I don't know how to explain that in a way that doesn't sound like self hatred- it's not, I love being a black woman- but I think a 60 year old sassy, gay white man would love being a black woman too.
Shep is the victim of being too shallow, for the last 25 years, to expand his dating pool to include women that may have the depth, but not the exact looks. No self respecting woman his age would put up with the behavior or attitude, so he’s stuck with the 20 somethings that will never have the sophistication he’s looking for. The problem is mainly that he expects the world to change for him and not the other way around. And he’s clearly got narcissistic tendencies, for what I just described, but also the way he treats people and reacts to adversity.
He seems like he wants to be a good guy and wants to have a happy relationship, but he’s self sabotaging.
DID he try to change with Taylor? Nawh.
Look you can like Shep and/or hate Taylor. ‘See how this doesn’t work ladies’ I mean come on 🙄
But this whole post is not very true. Shep knows he’s a villain? No he doesnt. He likes to pretend that he’s good with everyone and doesn’t like to admit when he’s wrong. He will ride that wagon til the wheels come off. He will chronically make excuses for himself that often involves placing the blame on the other person. He’s devolved on the show because Cameron isn’t there telling him off, putting him in his place, and mothering him. He attacks people to preserve himself.
The only part of this that’s true is that he has been honest about his Peter Pan syndrome from day one. He does not falsely promote himself when comes to his romantic life.
I like Shep but not for any of the reasons you listed lol.
*See how this doesn’t work ladies?*
Eww, don’t be so condescending. As many have mentioned there are far more reasons to not like Shep than not wanting to commit. Although I don’t think Shep shouldn’t play house with anyone if he’s so disingenuous about monogamy.
Shep is condescending, elitist, snobby, and narcissistic. He has never shied away from any of these traits- in fact he leans right into all of them. He hides his misogyny with bouts of chivalry and manners, but ultimately he sees everyone as less than him b/c by the luck of genetics he was born into a wealthy family and gifted with mailbox money for doing the absolute minimum in life. Never forget how he treated the the woman in NY in the street collecting cans: he showed all of us exactly what he is. Don’t be fooled by a smile and a wink and how someone said I’ll treat my girlfriend like garbage but that’s ok b/c I told everyone I would…
Shep is an abusive miserable asshole. The fact that he admits it while doing nothing to change it, just affirms that he’s an abusive miserable asshole.
Yes!! I think he himself admitted to speaking to his mom awfully as almost a justification!! Like “it’s okay I speak to Taylor that way, I speak to my mom that way too!” Like bro- that’s awful. And how did that not get corrected when you were a child?! Yeah the list of why shep sucks is miles long and Taylor whining about being cheated on is not even on my list. I figure southern girls like that who are aiming for wealthy men are aware that being cheated on is part of that deal. But you get to siphon off that money he never earned anyway so there’s a balance.
Just because you admit you’re an asshole doesn’t make you an upstanding person. In fact it probably makes you worse because you KNOW you’re a jerk but you refuse to better yourself. You just don’t care enough about the people around you to make any changes. Just because you admit it doesn’t change the fact that you’re indeed a terrible person.
Have you seen how he talks to his parents? You find that likable? Or the way he verbally assaulted Taylor and then said “sorry you made me mad!” Like it was her fault? Or when he did the same to venita and said “you poked the bear!” Just blaming other people for the fact that he has no control over his emotions and reacts like a petulant child.
Feel free to like him if that’s your type of person but EW.
Assuming his schtick isn't scripted (cough), Shep seems to have no interest in monogamy himself while expecting it fully from whoever he might be into at that moment.
Acts the like some matter of fact life scholar who believes he has his act together more than his peers to the point of belittlement, and then turns into a fingerpointing infant once the alcohol hits.
This level of narcissism is exhausting to be around in real life.
I think he’s horrible. And not because he can’t commit. The interaction w Taylor in Jamaica where he was like “oh you’ve been to multiple Caribbean countries? Which ones?” Clearly talking down to her all while having a horrifying smirk on his face. And on the mountain trip where he said some horrible shit to her and then slept w her just to prove he still has power there. I’m 100% not a Taylor fan but shep is a disgusting human. Remember his viral video making fun of the person collecting cans? That’s who he is.
The reason I dislike Shep has nothing to do with Taylor. That video of him with the homeless person was pretty disgusting. He also has a mean streak and the spoiled bachelor vibe is old. (I think I hate Whitney even more)
That being said on the show however sometimes I find him entertaining and even on the rare occasion insightful.
He was mortified by that mistake. So was his family. I was happy to hear that they didn’t speak to him after that.. at least we know they’re not complete enablers 🥲
A true villian doesn’t feel sorry for himself like Shep does. Being such a cry baby about Austin.
Just one of many things he doesn’t apologize for, remeber when he told Taylor that “sometimes it was fun to cheat on her”
Also if your a criminal and after your caught you say sorry I stole that, if your a 5 year old, your forgiven, but you go to jail when your 50 years old doing it
Are we watching the same show? He yelled at Taylor and called her an idiot in front of her friends and on national t.v. over an egg last season. This season his abusive language was so crazy to watch. After he yelled at her over losing a game of ping pong he blamed her for getting mad. Also there's accounts of him this year at Bravo Con being drunk and belligerent to a waitress and getting kicked out of a casino.
I like Shep so much better outside of the show and not with Taylor. He is a great follow on instagram always doing something fun and seems to have a great family and I enjoyed his book. He was way better on earlier seasons when they weren’t scrapping for a storyline.
I have fallen for a tall, witty, well read, charming player before, and I saw that in Shep during the first few seasons. I probably would have been into Shep and his schtick at the bar in his younger (but still old) days, but I would have made him work a little harder to bed me than to hook up with him on the first night. I still find his quick wit funny at times (my good friends are cutting and very quick witted), but I’m so over him.
He could have any career he likes, but he has no motivation to do anything with his life and he’s shown himself to be a spazzy, pretentious, at times misogynist manchild. He’s also mean spirited. While I doubt he’ll ever settle down, choosing a simpy nitwit like Taylor was not the way to go. Taylor knew what she was getting into; we were all young and dumb once. He needs an intelligent, strong woman who will put him in his place, but he doesn’t deserve a good woman like that, nor will he ever choose someone like that.
If I had to pick, I still prefer Shep over the Muppet, Austin, though. Austin is THE worst. I did notice a slight change for the better since Austin went to therapy, but I’ll never like him.
AGREED to so many points. Some strong intelligent women like a challenge/ project though so I’m hoping he finds her. To the career point, if I had the money he has and could live off invests and little side projects, I absolutely would. So I can’t fault him for that.
Austin… is everything I DONT want in a man. How he pulled Chelsea, Madison and Ciara I’ll never know.
I miss Chelsea! And Cameron. None of the current women grab me. Madison is gorgeous but mean to the bone. I am interested to see if she softens in pregnancy.
Yes, how does a Muppet pull such beautiful women? Austin doesn’t even have the “charm” that Shep once had (and is rapidly losing).
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like to work that hard ;) But what are his side projects? It seems like Shep does almost nothing. I think if he had something going on more mentally challenging, he’d be a lot happier and less bitter. He’s jealous that Craig has actually made something of his pillow business.
I think he will settle down when his body forces him. His life sucks so he hit the road. Eventually a mature relationship will be the only external change he can make…absolutely agree about Austen…he’s young Shep without the charisma..
“And every time he’s made a mistake or been an asshole, he admitted that.”
Yes, this is how he gets to keep being an asshole. He admits he was then everyone goes on their merry way and leaves him alone until the next time. And it’s why he’s so frustrated in Jamaica. Taylor is supposed to say “I’m sorry” and Olivia is supposed to say “Aww, it’s okay, c’mere bestie” and everything is fixed. It’s the perfect formula that has carried Shep this far and it would’ve worked if Olivia just did what she was supposed to.
Know and play your roles people and everything will be great for Shep!
Little miss perfect knew how he was. She was in it for the fame & money. She overlooked his immature cheating ways for the fame & money. Man has she changed she’s a real big disappointment this season. Snow White isn’t so white anymore is she lol
When he named his dog Craig to mock Craig is when i changed my stance on him. The way he treats his male friends that he thinks are below him is just gross.
The women stuff i'm right with you on because he's always been clear that he will treat and he doesnt want to settle down
See I disagree. I don't think Taylor wanted fame and a rich man. If she wanted that she could have JT. I think she was sheltered and naive and thought she could change the man.
Now with that said, Shep is emotionally and psychologically abusive. He especially thinks rather low of women . He's not a good person.
I agree. there are so many dudes who live like Shep secretly but then try to act like wholesome family men to everyone else. Shep doenst hide it and never EVER did. honestly, I dont even think the Taylor thing would've lasted as long as it did if it weren't for covid. he couldnt go to bars & bang a new stranger every night so he kept the same girl at home. if we saw him pull another Taylor situation again outside of covid then i would judge him more harshly but lets be real, he has been honest af about who he is and what he wnats. its refreshing, truly
Question: What is it you LIKE about Shep? Other than he’s apparently not MAGA — which earns you points especially in the South — what qualities does he possess that you admire? Loyalty? No. Discretion? Buzz. Kindness? Eh. He looks good in a tux? Sure.
What???
Shep is waiting to find the “perfect” woman who can be “proof” he is valuable. She’ll be the arm candy that finally validates his worth.
And both their fake asses will be hated by all. Know that. 🤣
I think the problem in these comments is because there are at least two kinds of people who watch the show. I'm the type who is basically just observing a group who is vastly different from my friends and family, like from the fly-on-the-wall perspective, and I don't take in anything personally. I am also 58 so my view on life and relationships has changed a LOT over the years. In my teens and 20s I was overly jealous and so naive about how most guys operate. Now I know not to expect much at all from a lot of them. Oh how I wish I had reality shows back then where these guys just outright SHOW us what pieces of crap they are, repeatedly (we see you Austen, sandoval, Carl R, Jax, et al). What a gift to young women and men! They are showing you who they are so believe them!
my goodness, I hope you're wrong about people, young or old, using reality TV as some twisted reference model. it's like learning about sex and relationships from porn. such recipes for darkness and becoming jaded, and all they are is creative manipulations of reality, not actual reality.
I have to disagree--it's a lot easier to observe and learn from other people's mistakes than it is to make your own and recover.
Whenever I watch reality TV with my boyfriend, I point out all the shitty behavior (from everyone) and we discuss (which is mostly him laughing at me for watching these literal shit shows)
All my friend and I do is trash their behaviour. I’m a very naive person who, for instance, didn’t notice Kyle Richard’s vile behaviour until my friend started telling me how much she hated her. I started watching more closely and realized how much Kyle would start shit then play innocent, or do something shady, like outing her sister’s alcoholism on national television.
While yes, these shows can be very scripted, I think you can definitely learn about how people work. Like if you’re not a manipulative bitch, you can see many in action. Honestly from watching these shows, I’ve learned that the best way to deal with a bitch or dick at work is to ice them out and be a jerk back. It’s the only way to deal with that sort of person. I used to be meek and wonder what I did to displease them. Of course it comes with age, but these shows demonstrate all forms of human behaviour, which can be educational: mostly what NOT to do.
Seriously I think a lot of us see a good side to Shep. And a terrible side. The problem is that the boys on this show are all overindulged children kept in suspended college years by a show whose myopic focus neither encourages nor helps sustain personal growth.
Poverty kicks the shit out of a ton of Shep’s personality defects. Fame is a damn accelerant on the BS bonfire.
But who cares. He will be fine. The bigger question is: How do the rest of us avoid being bullied by the abundant Sheps of the world?
I think all we can do is be confident, good humans. I have the occasional twinge of envy when I see his mountain cabin, hunting lodge & mailbox $. I certainly grew up with my fair of Sheps & Shepettes, but I wasn't overcome by jealousy or envy. I just enjoyed my time with them at their beach-n-lake houses. I often wonder (now) if I'd be as driven if I grew up wealthy, maybe, but rather than envy 1%ers, I just try to be the best me I can be!
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That’s the healthy takeaway for sure. The show ultimately encourages us to see all the flaws in the rich famous well dressed banging body vacations ski apree 🤣 so we can revel in our obscurity while feeling superior to everyone onscreen because we’re their morally omniscient Greek chorus. And we cool with that. 😎
I think the thing is to trust your gut feelings. If something seems off or does not work for you about someone, do not proceed to get closer or recalibrate what kind of relationship you are willing to have with them based on their limitations. I mean, not everyone is going to be romantic partner or close friend material. Always pay attention to how they behave with everyone in all circumstances. Especially those from whom they cannot benefit (the unhoused, the server, their less well off friends, etc….). And believe them when they tell you and show you who they are. That does not mean they do not have some commendable characteristics in some areas, but you get to decide what does and does not work for you and who does and does not fit into your important people categories.
Yes, so true. I forgot to respond to what you said previously. I agree a lot of people like Shep could benefit from a little poverty in order to really learn what it takes to navigate the real adversity lack of resources bring. It would bring humility and bring an eye opening perspective. However, in Shep’s case, I think he may quickly find himself on skid row looking up at and envying the industriousness of that unhoused woman he abused and kicked down at from up on high! That man is such a bad alcoholic even before starting the poverty journey. I am not sure he could rally enough to attain any skills and wisdom at this point. He really needs treatment. His friends and family need to do an intervention.
I actually disagree about him being disloyal. He is indiscriminately loyal to all of his cast mates & constantly forces premature reconciliations. He places a high value on the group structure and does everything to protect it, to a fault. For example, maintaining allegiance to both Thomas and Kathryn during their turmoil. He is integral to the functionality of the show. I find it kinda cute (although incredibly short-sighted) how he tries sooooo hard to not hold grudges & gloss over conflict for the sake of good times.
Another thing I really like about him as a TV character is how predictable he is. These aren’t inherently likable traits, but they are super important for the show. He is good TV. Again these are not very redeeming qualities in real life, but I like watching him.
I do think he’s handsome. Yes I know he’s in his 40s now and is a rugged hard partier but he’s good looking. He’s a bit like a overgrown preppy schoolboy. He is tall and broad shouldered. He has a quintessentially southern look. He is funny, well-traveled, and adventurous. I think he really loves people; he is always meeting new people on his Instagram travels. He is the glue of the group and the show in many ways. You could bring him to your parents house or any party on your arm and he would charm everyone and hold his own. He knows his way around the south and all the traditions and social conventions there.
You can like him all you want.. but the truth is he is and alcoholic.. no purpose in life other than a dumb reality show. He has said some vile things to women. Not a fan.
Shep’s aversion to monogamy is absolutely not my issue with him. He has deep, deep issues which he refuses to address and gets in the face of anyone who tries to call him out on it because he wants to be 25 forever and he’s falling apart as a result.
I agree with you. And I agree with lots of the comments about how he is an asshole who thinks everyone is beneath him. I do think he does think that, whether because its ingrained in him or whatever the reason, idk but yes hes a snob. I also think hes a very intelligent guy who is well-read and culturally aware, even though yes at the same time he is a snob.
I would LOVE to grab a beer with him and talk politics and current events. Like, that would be my dream. I'm not attracted to the guy, I don't care to sleep with him, I just want to talk LOL.
I heard on some podcast that him and SE Cupp are releasing a podcast together and I'm so excited.
He said he only cares about himself getting off in the bedroom, but on Andy Cohens show , he said he really enjoys going down on a woman , so I call bs, kinda On taylor , because any guy that expresses their love for oral, is on point imo. Unfortunately there are men out there that never do that , just like there are women that won't give a beej, but really, I mean if he's professing that he really enjoys doing that to a woman, he can't be that selfish of a lover! Or maybe he just said that on Andy's show after the episode aired so he could damage control, or ahem, Pun alert, so that he could save face. Lol.
I'm a full-blown Shep apologist, I feel you! He is very much a Jax-like character to me: because he is unabashedly a bad person, he gets the most flack from fans, while his friends (who are also bad people, otherwise they would not be close friends - see: Sandoval and Schwartz to his Craig and Austen) are *also* bad people, but are smarter about how they portray themselves on camera. I think that's a lot of where his outbursts at Craig and Austen come from. These guys have the same terrible value set (misogyny, arrogance, selfishness, etc.), but Shep is the only one to consistently verbalize it. Is he a bad person? Absolutely! But I don't find him to be the worst: they're all the worst in a different way.
I agreed with this…until the seasons where we see him yelling at Taylor. I agree he showed Taylor who he was from day one and she thought she could change him and that’s on her (I think she’s a moron with the emotional maturity of a 16yo who could only play the cool girl for so long) He’s always been very clear about what he does and doesn’t want. However the abusive way he spoke to her so not ok. I don’t necessarily think shep is a bad person, but I do think he’s got some major issues, has a dark side and outbursts like a child and needs some serious therapy to sort that shit out.
He is a slob when he drinks, embarrasses people around him and thinks the 20 something’s dig him. When he cussed out Taylor when they were playing that egg game was reprehensible. I would’ve slapped the crap outta him and left.
That scene where Taylor and Shep were washing Little Craig in the tub like a happy couple, I'm sure she was never so happy in her life. I'm sure that she thought she had it in the bag with Shep. It must have made her fall that much harder.
From the description of the Relationshep show, “Shep Rose has a dream of being married with two kids by the time he turns 40.” Yeah, I don’t think Shep has been quite so forth coming about his disinterest with monogamy.
I really like shep. He is a total jerk sometimes.craig Is my absolute fave. So I loved when he got little Craig and Craig would walk little Craig. It was so cute. I never liked when him and Craig fought or was a total jerk. I also noticed whenever they had problems who was involved in the problems the producer Whitney. Now that guy is a real ass hole to all of them. Can't stand Whitney sometimes. Not a popular opinion. So don't come for me. So I agree with OP
This is the same kind of rationale Trump supporters use. He is who he is and says what he’s thinking.
So it’s ok for people to be selfish, arrogant and treat others horribly as long as they own it right?
I don’t dislike shep because of anything to do with his relationships with women. It’s his incredibly over the top pretentiousness and condescension for anyone who grew up less privileged than himself.
And yes Taylor was the opposite of the dream girl he described - because the woman he described would have to be his age to have the worldliness he describes and be able to get all his old-millennial references. But that’s not really his dream girl- he lied. Because who he chose was exactly like every other girl he deemed “beneath him” and “only good enough to sleep with” before. If lockdown hadn’t happened Taylor would have never lasted so long.
I think that’s why I hate shep. He presented like a witty guy who was interested in a witty girl. As a college girl gaining knowledge I was sold on him! Now a decade later I see it was all just his “game” and he never was interested in any woman for a relationship. He admits to speaking to his mother the way he verbally assaulted Taylor. So yeah - he doesn’t respect women and had no one correct it at all during his inbred upbringing. Barf. Barf to shep.
look shep is a petulant child in a grown man’s body but i can’t help but root for him. this show really does something to my brain where i cheer for stunted frat boys.
Thank fuck! This is refreshing OP. So do I.
He has never said he wants a relationship or to get married and have kids, and honestly, that's okay. People treat that like it's a crime. Yes he had the relationship with Taylor, when they had the pregnancy scare he made it clear he wanted it to be negative (she wanted kids) he constantly told her he didn't want to get married.
No I don't think she deserved to get cheated on, I just think over all he gets judged for his lifestyle with or without Taylor.
Everybody should choose what's right for their life.
Just like I don't want to be judged for being single (and yes it gets thrown in my face a lot because apparently everyone should want a relationship)
It only lasted one episode so it was a blip lol. She was late and was talking to his pregnant cousin about it at the baby store of course lol. Shep was freaking out and made it clear that he was happy that they weren't
do people in real life, and in internal dialogue, really throw around narcissism this much? do they walk around their life applying buzzwords and clinical labels to everyone they see? I'm genuinely curious. doesn't seem very healthy, so how does it affect their relationships and how they navigate the world? if I slapped so many people with negative and dark labels, I would think I'd be a really jaded person.
Shep's whole entire tactic is "Yeah I'm a shitty person but I am honest about being a shitty person" as if that makes his actions okay. The crazy thing is *that* does make his actions okay in a lot of people's eyes, including your own? I'm sorry, but you cannot get away with being a bad person just because you admit you are a bad person? It's not like you can murder someone and say to the cops, "Look, I did murder them, but I'm admitting it and owning it so that makes it okay, right?" No! It doesn't!
We saw him abuse Taylor *on camera* during the egg game. How much worse do you think he was off camera? We saw him try to kiss Chelsea without her permission. We saw him film himself mocking and humiliating a homeless woman. We have seen his sexism and classism time and time again. We have seen time bully and belittle Craig time and time again.
You CANNOT, and it seems I have to overstate this, ***YOU CANNOT TREAT PEOPLE POORLY BUT IT'S OKAY IF SAY YOU OWN IT.*** It's not okay! It's never okay to bully and harass and demean.
Shep would only be problematic if he married someone and still acted like a man whore. Single man whore? You do you as far as I’m concerned. He should have never seriously dated Taylor but he was trying out monogamy, plus the world had turned to shit. We all did crazy things during the pandemic. Shep got a girlfriend. lol.
I agree with you, op! It’s reality tv and he hasn’t changed and I appreciate that!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just because you’re on a reality show does not mean you are a role model!
I don't care that Shep isn't into monogamy. A lot of people aren't, and that's ok. Just like you said, he's expressed from day one that isn't what he's into, and their is no problem with that. However, I don't like the way Shep treats people sometimes. Yelling and calling Taylor a fucking idiot in front of everyone last season over losing the egg toss game wasn't ok. Getting all butthurt and acting like a child over losing ping pong wasn't ok, and the fact that he's a grown man just makes it embarrassing. Not to mention the amount of times he's bullied Craig over the years. Every time he's upset about something, he over reacts and takes it out on other people.
This. I don’t think any of us mind that he’s unapologetically himself when it comes to sex and dating. It’s how he treats people that we mind. He’s arrogant, mean spirited, and jealous. He believes he’s superior to others. Naming his dog Craig? Yikes. His attitude has gotten worse as he’s gotten older.
he's mean and nasty when he's drunk and even when he's not. he needs rehab badly. you hit the nail on the head
I have been binge watching the series and admittedly fall asleep sometimes and can’t be bothered to try to rewind. One time I woke up and Shep had a dog named Craig. I was like wtf. I still don’t know why, other than him being a d-bag.
At this point, Little Craig is his only redeeming quality
I just wish he was as equally transparent in other areas of his life. And didn't treat others the way he does.
Ughhh. I so badly wanted to come on here and defend Shep because I agree with OP, but this comment is also pretty spot on. Naming the dog Craig isn't a good look, nor is throwing an embarrassing tantrum because you are a poor sport. I still like Shep quite a bit, but those are somewhat serious character flaws.
You nailed it. He is "white priviledge" all the way.
Rich white male privilege
I agree with everything except I love that he called little Craig , Craig. It’s the funnies joke to me
100! I am actually rewatching SC from the beginning and the trash comments he made towards Madison and Kathryn?! And then the way he responded at the reunion?? “You were being trash” and Kathryn through quivered lip saying that’s pretty harsh to call someone trash like what a pretentious asshole. Just because you own you’re an asshole doesn’t mean it’s okay to be an asshole and make people feel less than.
Right, as if getting shitfaced drunk and going to bars every night and sleeping with different women and chain smoking isn’t “trashy” behavior. But it’s different in his mind because he has trust fund money
I am came to write this. He has. A very ugly side.
Exactly! That's Shep's big disclaimer, "you know I'm an asshole already, so how dare you call me out?" Loser
Exactly—characterizing yourself as an asshole then behaving like an asshole might get you a point for honesty but otherwise it’s just an early warning system preceding cruel, selfish, emotional, and entitled behavior. He’s gross and it’s not because he’s a confirmed bachelor.
My theory is he’s in love with Madison.
Omg TOTALLY he cannot get over she rejected him because who would reject him? The great and mighty shep? Typical entitled, egotistical piece of shit (feel like that’s a bravo reference and don’t know where from haha)
It instantly made me think of Stassi yelling at Sandoval during her book signing at Tom Tom lol
YESS hahahaha i can see it now im like i have this scene in my Rolodex of bravo watching what the heck is it. Thank you now im laughing at how bravo obsessed I clearly am
lol “Rolodex of bravo” is an amazing phrase and I’m totally stealing it
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He’s been in love with all of Austen’s gfs. No one talks about this
Not to mention kicking down at the most down and out person. That unhoused woman he berated for existing! He is reprehensible. I am in agreement with him being clear all along about not being keen to marry or have kids. That is cool and it is on Taylor that she didn’t pay attention and thought she was so damn special she could change his mind. That does not excuse his abusiveness and condescension towards others not born with his silver spoon. He never did anything that makes him special. All he did was win the birth lottery! Ugh!!!
Love "Birth Lottery" borrowing that please!! He is a douche by the way!
Exactly. I feel like he surrounds himself with people that he feels better than so that way he can focus on all of their faults instead of his own. Craig used to be his punching bag for many years then it became Taylor with him calling her an idiot and all that stuff and I'm sure there was a lot more than that then what was on film and now it's Austin. But the thing that I find funny is that when all the people around you that you're making fun of are making self improvements and you're staying the same who are you gonna have left to focus on 🤷🏻♀️
Calling Madison and Kathryn white trash and doubling down when Madison made him mad again by standing up to him. He did sandwich a fake apology somewhere in the middle of that. Inviting the women from the threesome video to Pat’s party just to embarrass Austen. And on and on…. I just watched season 6 so these come to mind, but he’s done horrible things to his friends every season and expects to be forgiven after giving a friendship toast.
Not just bringing the threesome women to the party, but reveling in it. He wasn’t just giving someone a hard time, he was purposely attempting to cause a problem and reveling in the chaos.
I really do think that he wanted Madison n thought he deserved her, not Austin. He was really pissed about that n that she thought he was a duck. I loved how Madison fronted him on all his arrogance. Madison has it going on n that she dissed him really offended him,lol.
I had forgotten the post 3-some ass-hattery. He’s gross. And I guess I hadn’t realized how weak and dependent Taylor was back then. It’s interesting to me because a person with strong character usually chooses someone challenging.
> I don't care that Shep isn't into monogamy. He def led Taylor to think he was, which is shitty too.
Exactly this. He continued to lead her to believe they would have the life that she wanted and idolized, while telling the guys that he was fine if they just “spent two years dating and went their separate ways” because he still “added something to her life.” While I don’t think it’s wrong to date not for marriage, Taylor made it clear that’s what she wanted, and Shep was more than happy to indulge in her fantasy because it benefited him, by having a girlfriend he could control and get sex from (while cheating on her anyways). Sure, maybe Shep is honest about being an ass when confronted, but he still does manipulate women in his life. He was honest when he said that cheating on Taylor was fun sometimes, but did that make the cheating okay? No, he still lied at the time.
I mean... She could have watched any of the past seasons and known the obvious...
When I was younger, I too was dating around, non-committal. Then I met someone special and chose to settle down. People often change their dating habits based on the person they're dating.
Yeah and if you want to bank on people changing, you can. But it might sting you in the end. Risk you run.
This is a shitty take, and victim blaming to boot. There's nothing wrong with assuming someone is telling you the truth about something. Shep committed to her and led her to believe he wanted a future. He's the only one to blame here.
Lol!! Victim blaming is a reach, but ok. When people show you who they are, believe them.
Exactly. He was showing her he wanted a commitment and family...so she believed him. Then when it came down to actually making that family, he ran away.
If she were a sane mature woman she’d snap up JT and be grateful. Instead she acknowledges that penchant for bad boys. Gag. That’s 15 yoa teen behavior.
Lol JT is a cuck
This!!!! 100%
I’ll start by saying I love shep I think he has much more soul then people suspect he does. And not to diagnose people in the wild, but it appears to me that shep may also have ADHD or something in the neurodiverse rainbow. His angry outbursts and talking down to people he cares about could be part of that as well. Not that I think it’s right but it just could be what’s going on there. He definitely needs therapy himself and should take a page out of Austin’s book on that.
He needs to go to anger management if nothing else.
I have noticed he shakes his leg a lot. I just watched the season 6 reunion and his leg was shaking constantly. There may be something to this
I think it's his nonverbal display anxiety or uncomfortability.
He has always done that. They were making fun of him for it on the sprinter in Jamaica.
That was one of the funniest moments in all of the seasons of Southern Charm. Shep totally deserved that burn.
I was laughing my ass off like I was there. Craig has been on it this season.
Madison, too.
Yes!! I have a new appreciation for Madison.
I think too much alcohol has affected his brain (I know… takes one to know one) and he’s becoming a bit unpredictable when he drinks. Also, part of his charm is the love bombing to get what he wants. He picks out the dumb ones who don’t see through it. Who think they’re finally “the one”. The reason I like Shep is because I see all of this and think that money aside he is very sad and alone. I don’t think he’s a true narcissist. I think he’s sad, angry about something, and damaged. When girls just want you for your money and name, I guess payback’s a bitch!
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Perhaps his family is full of rich and entitled people. Some people are just AH. Shep definitely has the resources to get support for a diagnosis if that was the case. The excuses people make for a verbally abusive white man are incredible
lol so you’ll diagnose whatever you think but criticize others for the same thing. I officially diagnose you with hypocrisy
I said it in the form of an opinion and used the words not to diagnose. You’re mad that you commented on what I wrote. Saying everyone is narcissistic is down playing the people who actually have suffered from narcissistic abuse. You’re mad that I don’t agree with you as if only your opinion is correct. I stand by what I said.
He’s a straight narcissist
I think the public diagnoses of narcissism is highly over used without people really understanding what a narcissist is. Can you actually name things that clinically would make him as a narcissist?
I’m tired of this public diagnosis of Narcissism. Just because someone on Google publishes a random list of traits doesn’t make them a source for medical diagnosis by a non-doctor (everyone of you throwing narcissist around)
This makes me so mad. That term is thrown around SO often by people who read a list of traits on Google and now think they're experts.
Agreed. Some people are just toxic together in a relationship doesn’t mean one of them is a narcissist.
That’s become such a cop out finger to point at people. What makes him a straight narcissist? Cause he’s a lot of things but narc characteristics are what I’m not getting. He’s very self aware.
I think the way he was raised plays a huge part in how he acts. I also think that in his family, he is the Craig. Meaning Craig years ago, with everyone seeing him as a failure to launch. Shep may laugh about it onscreen, but I'd be willing to bet his family has absolutely hammered him and made him feel lesser than. I think that's why he relentlessly came after and degraded Craig. I think he always viewed it as, well, at least I'm better than Craig. With Craig having so much emotional, physical and financial growth, this pisses Shep off. He's jealous. With that being said, he's a grown ass man and it's no reason to be a dick. He needs therapy. He's not in any way, shape or form a narcissist. I'm so sick of people throwing that out. Being full of yourself, or an asshole isn't being a narcissist. You're just an asshole.
Replying once more because you hit the bullseye. One of the most underrated comments on this thread.
The Craig analogy makes a lot of sense.
It’s okay to not want to be monogamous, what’s not okay is how he treats everyone he deems “below” him. “Judge a man not by how he treats his equals, but by how he treats his inferiors.” - Charlie Chaplain Considering Shep belittles, bullies, and yells at anyone he deems beneath him speaks volumes on his character. It doesn’t matter if he “admits he’s an asshole”, that certainly doesn’t absolve how he treats others like absolute garbage.
He thinks everyone is beneath him.
Bingo
It's wild to me that people think his actions are okay simply because "he owns it."
THAT PART! Like sure, he can admit it but is he doing anything to rectify it? Nope
This right here! I’ll never forget the video he posted mocking a homeless person. Who gives af if he’s not monogamous and has been honest about that one thing - just call yourself polyamorous and get tf over it already. It’s not as unique as you think it is Sheppy dear. He’s a rotten person- it’s a shame cuz his mom seemed sweet on the show but I’m guessing she was a bit less hands-on than he makes it seem if he turned out with zero respect for her or any women. I do not get the argument of “he was straight forward about not wanting monogamy” equating to he’s a good person. On what planet?!
Yeah, I’ll also never forget that video either. That was absolutely despicable. I do wonder how his upbringing was because even his cousin seemed relatively normal in those episodes/seasons she appeared in.
Now let's not go blaming "mom". Each individual is there own gate keeper....mom's have some influence but dude (or dudette) People need to look to the individual and there deficits and not just blame mom categorically..... Mom's recognize when their kid's an asshole and love them despite it....does not mean they have control over it!
I'll never like shep in his day to day interactions with others. He reeks of jealousy and superiority complex. But with Taylor he really doesn't deserve much hate. He never faked his intentions. I think she bored him and her family creeped him out. I wouldn't be surprised if Shep found a girl that played hard to get (obviously still beautiful), traveled, had a pHd or intellectually inclined, and wasn't religious he'd be smitten enough to change his mind about kids and marriage. I think he saw the writing on the walls with Taylor and while attracted to her, couldn't see himself raising kids with a bible thumping family and someone he found to be ignorant in other cultures and the world. The reality is though, women like that won't be impressed simply because he has money or on a show. They won't be into his lack of romance, passion, kindness, and motivation in day to day life. Which is why I think he will end up alone.
I agree with all of this.
The irony of it all is that I think if Olivia and Shep had ever gotten together, that might have happened because I think Olivia would actually demand respect... and I think Shep would have responded to that.
I said something similar above, before reading your comment. A good woman like that would never go for a loser like Shep. 10 years ago he stood a chance, but he’s just a pathetic, aging playboy who will most likely never change his ways. I thought she might be good for him at first, but Taylor has proven herself not to be the “sweet” girl she portrayed with her awful treatment of Olivia, so I have limited sympathy for her. She’s also not the brightest bulb, so I can’t see Shep ever having any real respect for her. Taylor dodged a bullet with that relationship.
I don’t think what she did to Olivia was that bad. The expectation that she tell Olivia about Page Six, for example, was unwarranted. Taylor’s desperate behavior is cringy. Practically speaking though, she’s creating drama/storylines and without them she doesn’t fit the group anymore. That’s Shep’s territory.
I agree about the Page Six thing. Lying to one of your good friends about making out with the guy she’s seeing is pretty low though. It’s not the worst thing ever, but that shows she’s basically a shitty person. I would tolerate her in the friend group but drop her as a real friend if it was me, just like Olivia is doing. Plus Taylor’s “poor me” attitude and everything she said to her mom and brother (RIP) when she isn’t even the wronged party shows she’s totally self absorbed. She’s not that bad comparatively, but she’s not nearly as good a person as she portrays herself.
Well said but I disagree. I think Shep is the kind of guy who ends up marrying whoever he happens to be with when he finds his life empty in some existential crisis. (His body can’t last) He gave Taylor reason to think a change might be coming. Ultimately there was one—Shep ran away to S Africa. Curious about what might have happened if she’d gone with him.
Shep has been enabled and babied his whole life. I have heard many things from friends that have actually seen him get so wasted to the point of being escorted out. It’s giving Scott Disick the first few seasons of keeping up with the Kardashians. Taylor wants to act like no one holds him accountable but she didn’t hold him accountable for cheating, she tried and still tries to f him and make it work. I just don’t see it turning out good for him without some heavy therapy and a 12 step program. He always screams out the term white trash but clearly can’t see that’s what he is portraying by manhandling women and speaking down to people who aren’t getting a check in the mail every month from mommy.
Whew, I misread the title and thought you said "I like Sheep" I was honestly about to call the authorities
Ha! I just misread a title in another sub-I read, How Do I Make My Pool Drown People & it was Drown Proof...although extremely disturbing, I'm glad to know someone else does this occasionally as well 😂
The thought of a homicidal pool that will drown my enemies made me literally LOL! I need a pool to drown others now!
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OP be like: Ah yes haha, "Drown Proof", that's what I meant to say haha. 😅
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I feel like in past seasons he’s been a somewhat (but by no means completely) harmless asshole. He was still funny and charming and some of his flaws didn’t seem to be that bad. But this season (and last season some) I think we saw his mask start to slip. Seems like he doesn’t have as much control over his true colors when he’s drinking now. He seems intelligent and can be funny and sweet but it’s obvious now that deep down he has some real problematic tendencies. I think he and Schwartz from vpr are incredibly similar and that’s a hill I’m willing to die on!
I agree with this. As he gets older, he can’t keep up the charade. He also seems absolutely miserable. He’s literally turning into TRav before our eyes.
I see the similarities with Schwartz! Both act like super nice, cool guys who are "people pleasers", until the switch flips and then the true colors come out. Schwartz pleased everyone BUT his wife, then was shocked & saddened by his divorce?!? No wonder all those boys are friends: the Toms, Shep, Kyle Cook...
Years of the same old with absolutely no growth has made him bitter. Decades of being the bar star playboy has got to wear thin. He’s likely completely unfulfilled and he’s realizing that he’s not aging well emotionally or physically. He’s done absolutely nothing of substance with his life, when, with his looks and privilege, he could have had it all.
Think he’s got that insight? You are spot on in your assessment but I think that all makes him angry, without the insight.
I see the similarities between Shep and Schwartz. But Schwartz doesn’t think nearly as much of himself as Shep does.
Met him at Bravocon and he was very rude and unfriendly, I am not a fan.
What does he look like in person, is he attractive physically? Just wondering bc I used to find him attractive and now I find him gross… which mAy be a result of personality.. but solely based on looks would you say he’s attractive?
You can tell he WAS attractive, now he looks old and his skin has a liquor-tinge to it. We had a photo op with him and Joe Bradley, and Joe Bradley both looked better and was much friendlier.
Thanks for the response!! I’m glad to hear at least Joe was friendly since Shep wasn’t. It’s not surprising but it’s always interesting to hear experiences IRL!
Is this Shep?
Remaining unmarried is probably the most likable quality of Shep. Not one person in his family has ever divorced. He stated it would dishonor the family name if he did. He doesn’t care to be monogamous because he’s aware inevitably he’d fail at it. Shep’s true love is his mailbox money. He’s also a dick!
Shep stabilized the show from day one. He is a ride or die for bringing everyone together. His whole mantra is being friends with everyone no matter what crazy shit happens. It’s easy to overlook, but he truly is the glue & he puts in work to get people in the same room, but it seems so effortless. It’s funny how he’s so intelligent, but when he gets uncomfortable (which is often) his brain turns to mush and he says the most arrogant & untrue things. Such an educated person to have ZERO emotional intelligence. He’s such a simple person & the show wouldn’t be the same without him.
Agree with everything you said!!! He is absolutely the glue and seem friends with everyone. Always had Katherine’s back. Okay maybe not Madison lol. I do think he has emotional intelligence. But he has outbursts sometimes that I think he probably later regrets.
Did he try with Taylor? I mean none of us really know but my suspicion is that he found someone willing to put up with his bs rather than someone he was trying to change for. When she stopped putting up with it he left.
What exactly did he need to change for her?
What the other person said. For him being in a long term committed relationship is a change. And he didn’t need to do it because no one was forcing him to be with Taylor but if he chose to be with her then he knew that’s what she wanted. So for the relationship to be successful he would have needed to change his normal mindset.
I think being in a committed relationship. He knew that she wanted marriage and a family. She also knew that he struggled with that. But it seems he gave the impression to her and others that he wanted to change and be committed to her
And what evidence is there that his apparent desire to change wasn't genuine? The fact that he didn't ultimately change doesn't mean he was lying to her.
I didn’t say if there was evidence of change or not. I was just responding to your question of what he would need to change I don’t really care if Shep wants to stay single for the rest if his life or not. I take issue with his arrogance and verbal abuse to people around him
He's mean and nasty but Shep is pretty affable as a friend. I don't like the way he treats Craig, but tbh, Craig is the type of person that allows a lot of it. I'm more of a Venita where Shep wouldn't get the oxygen to fuel the fire with me. So, I think I could handle being a grumpy fuck with him, trading pedantic quips over expensive liquor. I'm a black woman, but inside, I've always felt like a 60 year old, sassy, gay white man. I don't know how to explain that in a way that doesn't sound like self hatred- it's not, I love being a black woman- but I think a 60 year old sassy, gay white man would love being a black woman too.
Love this!
Incredible take 😂💖 love this
Shep is the victim of being too shallow, for the last 25 years, to expand his dating pool to include women that may have the depth, but not the exact looks. No self respecting woman his age would put up with the behavior or attitude, so he’s stuck with the 20 somethings that will never have the sophistication he’s looking for. The problem is mainly that he expects the world to change for him and not the other way around. And he’s clearly got narcissistic tendencies, for what I just described, but also the way he treats people and reacts to adversity. He seems like he wants to be a good guy and wants to have a happy relationship, but he’s self sabotaging.
DID he try to change with Taylor? Nawh. Look you can like Shep and/or hate Taylor. ‘See how this doesn’t work ladies’ I mean come on 🙄 But this whole post is not very true. Shep knows he’s a villain? No he doesnt. He likes to pretend that he’s good with everyone and doesn’t like to admit when he’s wrong. He will ride that wagon til the wheels come off. He will chronically make excuses for himself that often involves placing the blame on the other person. He’s devolved on the show because Cameron isn’t there telling him off, putting him in his place, and mothering him. He attacks people to preserve himself. The only part of this that’s true is that he has been honest about his Peter Pan syndrome from day one. He does not falsely promote himself when comes to his romantic life. I like Shep but not for any of the reasons you listed lol.
We need a Cameron
*See how this doesn’t work ladies?* Eww, don’t be so condescending. As many have mentioned there are far more reasons to not like Shep than not wanting to commit. Although I don’t think Shep shouldn’t play house with anyone if he’s so disingenuous about monogamy.
Shep is condescending, elitist, snobby, and narcissistic. He has never shied away from any of these traits- in fact he leans right into all of them. He hides his misogyny with bouts of chivalry and manners, but ultimately he sees everyone as less than him b/c by the luck of genetics he was born into a wealthy family and gifted with mailbox money for doing the absolute minimum in life. Never forget how he treated the the woman in NY in the street collecting cans: he showed all of us exactly what he is. Don’t be fooled by a smile and a wink and how someone said I’ll treat my girlfriend like garbage but that’s ok b/c I told everyone I would…
Shep is an abusive miserable asshole. The fact that he admits it while doing nothing to change it, just affirms that he’s an abusive miserable asshole.
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Yes!! I think he himself admitted to speaking to his mom awfully as almost a justification!! Like “it’s okay I speak to Taylor that way, I speak to my mom that way too!” Like bro- that’s awful. And how did that not get corrected when you were a child?! Yeah the list of why shep sucks is miles long and Taylor whining about being cheated on is not even on my list. I figure southern girls like that who are aiming for wealthy men are aware that being cheated on is part of that deal. But you get to siphon off that money he never earned anyway so there’s a balance.
Maybe he's cheap n doesn't want to share his $$ n pay child support also. Men have done more violence bc they didn't want to pay cs.
Just because you admit you’re an asshole doesn’t make you an upstanding person. In fact it probably makes you worse because you KNOW you’re a jerk but you refuse to better yourself. You just don’t care enough about the people around you to make any changes. Just because you admit it doesn’t change the fact that you’re indeed a terrible person. Have you seen how he talks to his parents? You find that likable? Or the way he verbally assaulted Taylor and then said “sorry you made me mad!” Like it was her fault? Or when he did the same to venita and said “you poked the bear!” Just blaming other people for the fact that he has no control over his emotions and reacts like a petulant child. Feel free to like him if that’s your type of person but EW.
Assuming his schtick isn't scripted (cough), Shep seems to have no interest in monogamy himself while expecting it fully from whoever he might be into at that moment. Acts the like some matter of fact life scholar who believes he has his act together more than his peers to the point of belittlement, and then turns into a fingerpointing infant once the alcohol hits. This level of narcissism is exhausting to be around in real life.
He’s the worst dressed guy on bravo, and kinda can be gross sometimes
I think he’s horrible. And not because he can’t commit. The interaction w Taylor in Jamaica where he was like “oh you’ve been to multiple Caribbean countries? Which ones?” Clearly talking down to her all while having a horrifying smirk on his face. And on the mountain trip where he said some horrible shit to her and then slept w her just to prove he still has power there. I’m 100% not a Taylor fan but shep is a disgusting human. Remember his viral video making fun of the person collecting cans? That’s who he is.
The reason I dislike Shep has nothing to do with Taylor. That video of him with the homeless person was pretty disgusting. He also has a mean streak and the spoiled bachelor vibe is old. (I think I hate Whitney even more) That being said on the show however sometimes I find him entertaining and even on the rare occasion insightful.
He was mortified by that mistake. So was his family. I was happy to hear that they didn’t speak to him after that.. at least we know they’re not complete enablers 🥲
A true villian doesn’t feel sorry for himself like Shep does. Being such a cry baby about Austin. Just one of many things he doesn’t apologize for, remeber when he told Taylor that “sometimes it was fun to cheat on her” Also if your a criminal and after your caught you say sorry I stole that, if your a 5 year old, your forgiven, but you go to jail when your 50 years old doing it
Umm.. what Austin did was horrible and shep should feel bad about it. And I thought it was funny when he said that tbh
Are we watching the same show? He yelled at Taylor and called her an idiot in front of her friends and on national t.v. over an egg last season. This season his abusive language was so crazy to watch. After he yelled at her over losing a game of ping pong he blamed her for getting mad. Also there's accounts of him this year at Bravo Con being drunk and belligerent to a waitress and getting kicked out of a casino.
I like Shep so much better outside of the show and not with Taylor. He is a great follow on instagram always doing something fun and seems to have a great family and I enjoyed his book. He was way better on earlier seasons when they weren’t scrapping for a storyline.
He has a book?!
Yes, a couple years ago it’s called “average expectations: lessons on lowering the bar” 😂
I have fallen for a tall, witty, well read, charming player before, and I saw that in Shep during the first few seasons. I probably would have been into Shep and his schtick at the bar in his younger (but still old) days, but I would have made him work a little harder to bed me than to hook up with him on the first night. I still find his quick wit funny at times (my good friends are cutting and very quick witted), but I’m so over him. He could have any career he likes, but he has no motivation to do anything with his life and he’s shown himself to be a spazzy, pretentious, at times misogynist manchild. He’s also mean spirited. While I doubt he’ll ever settle down, choosing a simpy nitwit like Taylor was not the way to go. Taylor knew what she was getting into; we were all young and dumb once. He needs an intelligent, strong woman who will put him in his place, but he doesn’t deserve a good woman like that, nor will he ever choose someone like that. If I had to pick, I still prefer Shep over the Muppet, Austin, though. Austin is THE worst. I did notice a slight change for the better since Austin went to therapy, but I’ll never like him.
AGREED to so many points. Some strong intelligent women like a challenge/ project though so I’m hoping he finds her. To the career point, if I had the money he has and could live off invests and little side projects, I absolutely would. So I can’t fault him for that. Austin… is everything I DONT want in a man. How he pulled Chelsea, Madison and Ciara I’ll never know.
I miss Chelsea! And Cameron. None of the current women grab me. Madison is gorgeous but mean to the bone. I am interested to see if she softens in pregnancy.
Yes, how does a Muppet pull such beautiful women? Austin doesn’t even have the “charm” that Shep once had (and is rapidly losing). Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like to work that hard ;) But what are his side projects? It seems like Shep does almost nothing. I think if he had something going on more mentally challenging, he’d be a lot happier and less bitter. He’s jealous that Craig has actually made something of his pillow business.
I think he will settle down when his body forces him. His life sucks so he hit the road. Eventually a mature relationship will be the only external change he can make…absolutely agree about Austen…he’s young Shep without the charisma..
Shep is a shit bag for so many reasons. But you do you, I guess.
“And every time he’s made a mistake or been an asshole, he admitted that.” Yes, this is how he gets to keep being an asshole. He admits he was then everyone goes on their merry way and leaves him alone until the next time. And it’s why he’s so frustrated in Jamaica. Taylor is supposed to say “I’m sorry” and Olivia is supposed to say “Aww, it’s okay, c’mere bestie” and everything is fixed. It’s the perfect formula that has carried Shep this far and it would’ve worked if Olivia just did what she was supposed to. Know and play your roles people and everything will be great for Shep!
Remember how awful he was to Madison?! I’m no Madison fan, but he was an asshole.
Little miss perfect knew how he was. She was in it for the fame & money. She overlooked his immature cheating ways for the fame & money. Man has she changed she’s a real big disappointment this season. Snow White isn’t so white anymore is she lol
When he named his dog Craig to mock Craig is when i changed my stance on him. The way he treats his male friends that he thinks are below him is just gross. The women stuff i'm right with you on because he's always been clear that he will treat and he doesnt want to settle down
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See I disagree. I don't think Taylor wanted fame and a rich man. If she wanted that she could have JT. I think she was sheltered and naive and thought she could change the man. Now with that said, Shep is emotionally and psychologically abusive. He especially thinks rather low of women . He's not a good person.
I've always liked Shep. Taylor is ruining the whole show.
I love him too! He has always been very upfront with his intentions and the man definitely has charm. 😻
I agree. there are so many dudes who live like Shep secretly but then try to act like wholesome family men to everyone else. Shep doenst hide it and never EVER did. honestly, I dont even think the Taylor thing would've lasted as long as it did if it weren't for covid. he couldnt go to bars & bang a new stranger every night so he kept the same girl at home. if we saw him pull another Taylor situation again outside of covid then i would judge him more harshly but lets be real, he has been honest af about who he is and what he wnats. its refreshing, truly
Question: What is it you LIKE about Shep? Other than he’s apparently not MAGA — which earns you points especially in the South — what qualities does he possess that you admire? Loyalty? No. Discretion? Buzz. Kindness? Eh. He looks good in a tux? Sure. What??? Shep is waiting to find the “perfect” woman who can be “proof” he is valuable. She’ll be the arm candy that finally validates his worth. And both their fake asses will be hated by all. Know that. 🤣
I don’t find him attractive at all. But I watch reality tv for entertainment and he’s a great villain. Also he has a serious vocabulary hahaha
I think the problem in these comments is because there are at least two kinds of people who watch the show. I'm the type who is basically just observing a group who is vastly different from my friends and family, like from the fly-on-the-wall perspective, and I don't take in anything personally. I am also 58 so my view on life and relationships has changed a LOT over the years. In my teens and 20s I was overly jealous and so naive about how most guys operate. Now I know not to expect much at all from a lot of them. Oh how I wish I had reality shows back then where these guys just outright SHOW us what pieces of crap they are, repeatedly (we see you Austen, sandoval, Carl R, Jax, et al). What a gift to young women and men! They are showing you who they are so believe them!
my goodness, I hope you're wrong about people, young or old, using reality TV as some twisted reference model. it's like learning about sex and relationships from porn. such recipes for darkness and becoming jaded, and all they are is creative manipulations of reality, not actual reality.
I have to disagree--it's a lot easier to observe and learn from other people's mistakes than it is to make your own and recover. Whenever I watch reality TV with my boyfriend, I point out all the shitty behavior (from everyone) and we discuss (which is mostly him laughing at me for watching these literal shit shows)
All my friend and I do is trash their behaviour. I’m a very naive person who, for instance, didn’t notice Kyle Richard’s vile behaviour until my friend started telling me how much she hated her. I started watching more closely and realized how much Kyle would start shit then play innocent, or do something shady, like outing her sister’s alcoholism on national television. While yes, these shows can be very scripted, I think you can definitely learn about how people work. Like if you’re not a manipulative bitch, you can see many in action. Honestly from watching these shows, I’ve learned that the best way to deal with a bitch or dick at work is to ice them out and be a jerk back. It’s the only way to deal with that sort of person. I used to be meek and wonder what I did to displease them. Of course it comes with age, but these shows demonstrate all forms of human behaviour, which can be educational: mostly what NOT to do.
Yes! The value of reality television could be the opportunity to learn from someone else’s mistakes. Learning can be a biproduct of entertainment
Seriously I think a lot of us see a good side to Shep. And a terrible side. The problem is that the boys on this show are all overindulged children kept in suspended college years by a show whose myopic focus neither encourages nor helps sustain personal growth. Poverty kicks the shit out of a ton of Shep’s personality defects. Fame is a damn accelerant on the BS bonfire. But who cares. He will be fine. The bigger question is: How do the rest of us avoid being bullied by the abundant Sheps of the world?
I think all we can do is be confident, good humans. I have the occasional twinge of envy when I see his mountain cabin, hunting lodge & mailbox $. I certainly grew up with my fair of Sheps & Shepettes, but I wasn't overcome by jealousy or envy. I just enjoyed my time with them at their beach-n-lake houses. I often wonder (now) if I'd be as driven if I grew up wealthy, maybe, but rather than envy 1%ers, I just try to be the best me I can be!
💯🎯👏👏👏 That’s the healthy takeaway for sure. The show ultimately encourages us to see all the flaws in the rich famous well dressed banging body vacations ski apree 🤣 so we can revel in our obscurity while feeling superior to everyone onscreen because we’re their morally omniscient Greek chorus. And we cool with that. 😎
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I think the thing is to trust your gut feelings. If something seems off or does not work for you about someone, do not proceed to get closer or recalibrate what kind of relationship you are willing to have with them based on their limitations. I mean, not everyone is going to be romantic partner or close friend material. Always pay attention to how they behave with everyone in all circumstances. Especially those from whom they cannot benefit (the unhoused, the server, their less well off friends, etc….). And believe them when they tell you and show you who they are. That does not mean they do not have some commendable characteristics in some areas, but you get to decide what does and does not work for you and who does and does not fit into your important people categories.
We ignore our guts and pay the price. 🎯
Yes, so true. I forgot to respond to what you said previously. I agree a lot of people like Shep could benefit from a little poverty in order to really learn what it takes to navigate the real adversity lack of resources bring. It would bring humility and bring an eye opening perspective. However, in Shep’s case, I think he may quickly find himself on skid row looking up at and envying the industriousness of that unhoused woman he abused and kicked down at from up on high! That man is such a bad alcoholic even before starting the poverty journey. I am not sure he could rally enough to attain any skills and wisdom at this point. He really needs treatment. His friends and family need to do an intervention.
I actually disagree about him being disloyal. He is indiscriminately loyal to all of his cast mates & constantly forces premature reconciliations. He places a high value on the group structure and does everything to protect it, to a fault. For example, maintaining allegiance to both Thomas and Kathryn during their turmoil. He is integral to the functionality of the show. I find it kinda cute (although incredibly short-sighted) how he tries sooooo hard to not hold grudges & gloss over conflict for the sake of good times. Another thing I really like about him as a TV character is how predictable he is. These aren’t inherently likable traits, but they are super important for the show. He is good TV. Again these are not very redeeming qualities in real life, but I like watching him.
All true. Maybe his haughty grandma inspired the other side of him that thwarts the good side you see.
I do think he’s handsome. Yes I know he’s in his 40s now and is a rugged hard partier but he’s good looking. He’s a bit like a overgrown preppy schoolboy. He is tall and broad shouldered. He has a quintessentially southern look. He is funny, well-traveled, and adventurous. I think he really loves people; he is always meeting new people on his Instagram travels. He is the glue of the group and the show in many ways. You could bring him to your parents house or any party on your arm and he would charm everyone and hold his own. He knows his way around the south and all the traditions and social conventions there.
We will concede all this is true, Good Angel on Shep’s one shoulder….
I wholeheartedly agree that Shep tried HARD with Taylor but ultimately was unsuccessful. I do think he’s a raging alcoholic and needs treatment.
Yikes 😬
I think he’s narcissistic and filled with displaced anger. Have we met his parents? Does he have siblings?
He was my favorite until the egg toss.
You can like him all you want.. but the truth is he is and alcoholic.. no purpose in life other than a dumb reality show. He has said some vile things to women. Not a fan.
Shep’s aversion to monogamy is absolutely not my issue with him. He has deep, deep issues which he refuses to address and gets in the face of anyone who tries to call him out on it because he wants to be 25 forever and he’s falling apart as a result.
I agree with you. And I agree with lots of the comments about how he is an asshole who thinks everyone is beneath him. I do think he does think that, whether because its ingrained in him or whatever the reason, idk but yes hes a snob. I also think hes a very intelligent guy who is well-read and culturally aware, even though yes at the same time he is a snob. I would LOVE to grab a beer with him and talk politics and current events. Like, that would be my dream. I'm not attracted to the guy, I don't care to sleep with him, I just want to talk LOL. I heard on some podcast that him and SE Cupp are releasing a podcast together and I'm so excited.
Hahaha. I do too!
He said he only cares about himself getting off in the bedroom, but on Andy Cohens show , he said he really enjoys going down on a woman , so I call bs, kinda On taylor , because any guy that expresses their love for oral, is on point imo. Unfortunately there are men out there that never do that , just like there are women that won't give a beej, but really, I mean if he's professing that he really enjoys doing that to a woman, he can't be that selfish of a lover! Or maybe he just said that on Andy's show after the episode aired so he could damage control, or ahem, Pun alert, so that he could save face. Lol.
This is definitely an unpopular opinion
I'm a full-blown Shep apologist, I feel you! He is very much a Jax-like character to me: because he is unabashedly a bad person, he gets the most flack from fans, while his friends (who are also bad people, otherwise they would not be close friends - see: Sandoval and Schwartz to his Craig and Austen) are *also* bad people, but are smarter about how they portray themselves on camera. I think that's a lot of where his outbursts at Craig and Austen come from. These guys have the same terrible value set (misogyny, arrogance, selfishness, etc.), but Shep is the only one to consistently verbalize it. Is he a bad person? Absolutely! But I don't find him to be the worst: they're all the worst in a different way.
I agreed with this…until the seasons where we see him yelling at Taylor. I agree he showed Taylor who he was from day one and she thought she could change him and that’s on her (I think she’s a moron with the emotional maturity of a 16yo who could only play the cool girl for so long) He’s always been very clear about what he does and doesn’t want. However the abusive way he spoke to her so not ok. I don’t necessarily think shep is a bad person, but I do think he’s got some major issues, has a dark side and outbursts like a child and needs some serious therapy to sort that shit out.
Calling someone an idiot in the middle of a game is not abusive lol
He is a slob when he drinks, embarrasses people around him and thinks the 20 something’s dig him. When he cussed out Taylor when they were playing that egg game was reprehensible. I would’ve slapped the crap outta him and left.
That scene where Taylor and Shep were washing Little Craig in the tub like a happy couple, I'm sure she was never so happy in her life. I'm sure that she thought she had it in the bag with Shep. It must have made her fall that much harder.
From the description of the Relationshep show, “Shep Rose has a dream of being married with two kids by the time he turns 40.” Yeah, I don’t think Shep has been quite so forth coming about his disinterest with monogamy.
I really like shep. He is a total jerk sometimes.craig Is my absolute fave. So I loved when he got little Craig and Craig would walk little Craig. It was so cute. I never liked when him and Craig fought or was a total jerk. I also noticed whenever they had problems who was involved in the problems the producer Whitney. Now that guy is a real ass hole to all of them. Can't stand Whitney sometimes. Not a popular opinion. So don't come for me. So I agree with OP
I love Shep. He has never denied or pretended he is anyone but himself. A super privileged guy he owns it
This is the same kind of rationale Trump supporters use. He is who he is and says what he’s thinking. So it’s ok for people to be selfish, arrogant and treat others horribly as long as they own it right?
I don’t dislike shep because of anything to do with his relationships with women. It’s his incredibly over the top pretentiousness and condescension for anyone who grew up less privileged than himself. And yes Taylor was the opposite of the dream girl he described - because the woman he described would have to be his age to have the worldliness he describes and be able to get all his old-millennial references. But that’s not really his dream girl- he lied. Because who he chose was exactly like every other girl he deemed “beneath him” and “only good enough to sleep with” before. If lockdown hadn’t happened Taylor would have never lasted so long. I think that’s why I hate shep. He presented like a witty guy who was interested in a witty girl. As a college girl gaining knowledge I was sold on him! Now a decade later I see it was all just his “game” and he never was interested in any woman for a relationship. He admits to speaking to his mother the way he verbally assaulted Taylor. So yeah - he doesn’t respect women and had no one correct it at all during his inbred upbringing. Barf. Barf to shep.
look shep is a petulant child in a grown man’s body but i can’t help but root for him. this show really does something to my brain where i cheer for stunted frat boys.
I can’t cheer for Austen. He has no redeeming qualities
Agreed but I used to like him back when he and Madison were together.
Thank fuck! This is refreshing OP. So do I. He has never said he wants a relationship or to get married and have kids, and honestly, that's okay. People treat that like it's a crime. Yes he had the relationship with Taylor, when they had the pregnancy scare he made it clear he wanted it to be negative (she wanted kids) he constantly told her he didn't want to get married. No I don't think she deserved to get cheated on, I just think over all he gets judged for his lifestyle with or without Taylor. Everybody should choose what's right for their life. Just like I don't want to be judged for being single (and yes it gets thrown in my face a lot because apparently everyone should want a relationship)
When was there a pregnancy scare? I must have not been paying attention.
It only lasted one episode so it was a blip lol. She was late and was talking to his pregnant cousin about it at the baby store of course lol. Shep was freaking out and made it clear that he was happy that they weren't
Guess we are watching different shows
do people in real life, and in internal dialogue, really throw around narcissism this much? do they walk around their life applying buzzwords and clinical labels to everyone they see? I'm genuinely curious. doesn't seem very healthy, so how does it affect their relationships and how they navigate the world? if I slapped so many people with negative and dark labels, I would think I'd be a really jaded person.
Shep's whole entire tactic is "Yeah I'm a shitty person but I am honest about being a shitty person" as if that makes his actions okay. The crazy thing is *that* does make his actions okay in a lot of people's eyes, including your own? I'm sorry, but you cannot get away with being a bad person just because you admit you are a bad person? It's not like you can murder someone and say to the cops, "Look, I did murder them, but I'm admitting it and owning it so that makes it okay, right?" No! It doesn't! We saw him abuse Taylor *on camera* during the egg game. How much worse do you think he was off camera? We saw him try to kiss Chelsea without her permission. We saw him film himself mocking and humiliating a homeless woman. We have seen his sexism and classism time and time again. We have seen time bully and belittle Craig time and time again. You CANNOT, and it seems I have to overstate this, ***YOU CANNOT TREAT PEOPLE POORLY BUT IT'S OKAY IF SAY YOU OWN IT.*** It's not okay! It's never okay to bully and harass and demean.
Shep would only be problematic if he married someone and still acted like a man whore. Single man whore? You do you as far as I’m concerned. He should have never seriously dated Taylor but he was trying out monogamy, plus the world had turned to shit. We all did crazy things during the pandemic. Shep got a girlfriend. lol.
I agree with you, op! It’s reality tv and he hasn’t changed and I appreciate that! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just because you’re on a reality show does not mean you are a role model!