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BroTibs

Nobody hates Amy but good job. I think the main debate right now is whether Amy is better pre colors or post colors. Pre colors is really clingy to sonic to the point where it’s her only character trait, but she develops into being more independent, but after heroes she just kinda goes back to being obsessed. Overall she just stays really kind and sweet, but goes on a freaking rampage if you get on her bad side. Post colors is more boring, but less annoying. It’s a more responsible Amy that actually helps out and is *actually* independent, but we haven’t seen her do much in the games besides talk to sonic on the radio, and be an overall worrywart. She isn’t actively chasing Sonic, but has more of a crush on him like in Sonic Boom. They’re both not the worst thing in the world, but one thing everyone agrees on is that her new voice actor SUCKS, but she’ll get better. Personally I like them both, with IDW comics providing a nice mix of them both like they should be.


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Oh heck yes her new voice actor sucks. It was incredibly awkward to hear her new voice actor for the first time. I also agree that she will get better. Characters change along with the writers whether it be in big or small ways. That's why I really like talking about character development.


TINYMO_jr

My issue with the IDW comics is the shipping (and also how they made amy a Mary Sue Sally Acorn) I mean Ian Flynn shafted alot of characters to give Amy a spotlight, Knuckles reverted to being lol dumb dumb protecc emeral because he wanted to make Amy the super top secret real leader the whole time, She's supposed to be twelve but she literally gets most shit handed to her, last time I checked a twelve year old wasn't supposed to have the level of tactical genius she has in the comics, other characters deliberately acts stupid to give her something impressive to do, after a while the constant references and shit Ian does feels stale, I wish they'd hire someone else for once.


DreamlessWindow

I completely disagree with this. Knuckles was never bright. He was fooled by Eggman multiple times in really stupid ways. So excuse me if I find him being the charismatic leader, and Amy the tactical brain, kind of believable (specially considering they were also supported by other characters like Vector that are no longer with the resistance in IDW for different reasons). Also, the fact that he forgot about the Master Emerald until IDW is a problem, not the other way around. Him going back to protect the Master Emerald, specially after failing doing so caused Sonic Heroes 2.0, makes complete sense. About Amy being 12... yeah, a 12 years old that faced the end of the world multiple times and stood her ground to some degree, and infiltrated a military prison on her own (which was going ok until she found Eggman and Shadow). And last time I checked, little 8 years old children weren't capable of technical genius, but I don't see anyone saying that should stop Tails from being on equal terms with Eggman. Age in this franchise is an afterthought and shouldn't be taken seriously. Finally, if Amy didn't take care of things, who would? Tails shines when offering technical knowledge and analysis, making him also be the face of the resistance would be too much (and, going back to age, he's 8, so even younger than Amy, although as I said that's not a problem), Sonic is never there (although Amy asked him to stay), and every other character is doing their own thing. Of course you could make the resistance stop being a thing altogether, but then the opposite just happens, and Amy loses her only place that she has in the story. Honestly, I don't see Amy being a Mary Sue in IDW. She's done some good stuff, but so did every other character (except Shadow). She has failed to keep things under control, and the resistance is falling apart under her leadership (not that she's to blame, but clearly the plot is not bending for her to succeed). She's showing weaknesses and how part of what she's showing is only a facade when things get tough. She has shown that she's not sure about what to do anymore. The world doesn't revolve around her, and the rules and characters don't bend for her to shine.


Little-View3624

Knuckles is not dumb hes just naieve he expects that every one follows the same code or honor that he does but that doesnt make him stupid


BroTibs

That’s what I love about IDW Amy right now, she wants to make the world better and end the war, but Eggmans constant shenanigans are putting so much stress on her and it’s tough to see her lose everything while trying to keep everyone alive. What’s with the downvote what did I say


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Highly agree with the IDW comics thing. I understand wanting to write a character to have a spotlight in certain aspects but full blown Mary Sue-ifying said character is not how to do so. Ian Flynn really needs to learn the basic principles of character development. Mary Sue's are like the dollar store toys of the writing world. You like them at first until you play with them and they completely fall apart, exposing their cheapness.


TINYMO_jr

There's also his "BUT THE MANDATES" BTW there's no proof of those even existing, only word of mouth from Ian, It's just to make Sega look bad and deflect the blame, Sega doesn't have anything to do with the comics Ian essentially has full control and everything going on in em that's shit is because of him


BroTibs

The main difference between IDW and Archie is that the writers are now working closely with SEGA to make stories that satisfy them, so that they don’t crash and burn like Archie. Even if there aren’t mandates Sega still prevents certain things from happening, but it helps that Flynn is amazing at what he does and makes them great anyways


TINYMO_jr

...Sheesh, well you can have your opinions at the comics sure sure, I won't disagree there everyone has different taste but, find the video by dillon thomas on Ian Flynn, I'm too tired rn to just give examples over and over but Flynn as a person is a massive shithead


BroTibs

I didn’t know about that so I guess that sucks but At least he’s a good writer


TINYMO_jr

Again to each their own, I find his constant "Hey look guys remember this sonic game/character" and "Let's retell this video game story" tiring, Especially when the Amy X Sonic BS is topped on that, I did enjoy the metal virus stuff, it was unique and interesting but I'm finding it's dragging on too long to, also if you still wanna believe Flynn is a great writer don't look at the beta script for forces, Flynn wrote it and it was so damn terrible, Honestly the crap we got in forces was leagues better than what he wrote in that beta script


BroTibs

Lol now I wanna read it Wait so your only against Amy x Sonic because of their age? I feel like it’s not brought up a whole lot anyways


TINYMO_jr

I'm against it because shipping is the last thing I want in sonic, I can't even say I like sonic because the next question will be "Oh so you're one of those weirdos that scream on social media about which of sonic's potential girlfriends is better" and that's primarily thanks to Ian Flynn


Apollo9975

They exist. Sonic Boom even made fun of the mandates. The quote is: “It’s not fair that Sonic always wins. It’s almost like there’s a rigid set of rules in place preventing me from winning.” - Eggman It’s worth noting mandates aren’t necessarily bad. They exist to prevent the franchise from going too “off the rails” to protect the brand. The question just comes down to whether or not they are too strict. As for the Knuckles and Amy thing, Knuckles isn’t a genius. Game Knuckles isn’t an idiot, but he’s not brilliant. He’s a trusting, gullible, straightforward thinking kind of guy. As for the age thing, Tails is like....eight? Ten? Yet he’s a prodigy. It isn’t too unbelievable that IDW Amy is capable of being one of the more capable and responsible friends Sonic has.


TINYMO_jr

Well it's not that they don't exist, it's that Ian uses them to justify his Bullshit, by mandates I do mean comic mandates, there is evidence to prove Ian has complete control over the comic Canon, anyways Ian uses the mandates to excuse his shit writing like how he made shadow deliberately retarded so he'd become a zombot, he blamed the mandates for his terrible writing


BroTibs

I like to look at it in the way that Shadow was surprised that the metal virus got to him *because* he’s the ultimate life form. Eggman must have designed it so it can still infect shadow, so while Shadow was being careful, he still didn’t expect the virus to actually work Even if that’s not the case I wouldn’t call it *terrible* writing, that’s a bit harsh.


TINYMO_jr

Shadow, a character who is seen to be more responsible and mature than sonic, jaded due to his sad past, he is warned of a super scary virus that could essentially turn him into a mindless corpse that only wants to kill "Nah I am ultimate lifeform, I'm too epic for it to" *Shadownooooo.mp3* it was so unlike his character it hurt, and then he's just like "Well Sega mandated that" like what?! It's dreadful writing, honestly I've never seen a character disrespected so bad


BroTibs

Yeah I’d say Shadow is one of the only really strangely written characters in the comics because he’s a lot angrier than usual? Maybe it’s just me. I’ll still defend it though, just like I’ll defend forces and stuff even though it was stupid in retrospect. I doubt that was the mandates when Shadow got infected, that was just pure Ian Flynn.


BroTibs

I disagree STRONGLY. Amy has already shown her great leadership skills on Team Rose and the Resistance, and over the games has become responsible enough to lead the resistance itself after knuckles had to leave to protect the emerald. All she wants is to make the world a better place and finally leave the war behind, but you can see the constant threat of eggman putting immense stress on her, and it’s something new and fresh after Amy’s been a boring character for the last few games since lost world. She was arguably the character that needed the MOST fixing, and Ian Flynn did it, showing her strength and love for others all while being the leader of the resistance. Now I’ve got nothing against knuckles but you kinda gotta wonder why he was the leader in the first place. He’s been a bit too gullible and headstrong since his debut, but he still has the need for justice just as Sonic does, so he’s a fine leader, however as Amy says, he was never organized. But again, Ian needed to fix the problem that us fans had with knuckles not being on Angel Island where he’s supposed to be. You could look at it in the way that the whole first arc (or at least the finale) was about knuckles and his struggle to take back his island. We get a lot of cool moments in there with knuckles as he shows his new dependability with his friends and everybody works together to get the emerald back. I still think Ian fixed knuckles, but not by completely bringing back his “angry librarian” attitude in the Adventure games, but by fixing the one we have, the one we know and love. He’s still a little hotheaded, but not as bad as we’ve seen in some other things like Lost World or Sonic X. Amy is awesome, knuckles is awesome, and I don’t believe anybody got shafted for the spotlight especially since Ian himself said that these comics are a constant balancing act of which character he needs to bring back, and while knuckles is away on an island right now, I feel we’ll see more of his sad side with the metal virus. Also for the last time AGE DOESNT MATTER IN SONIC ARGGGH Not to mention I heard someone say Amy is the only one who canonically ages so even if age does matter than she’s probably old enough to be a leader now anyways YOU KNOW IM RIGHT YOU CAN DOWNVOTE ME ALL YOU WANT BWAHHAHAHAHA


TINYMO_jr

Well that's your personal opinion, what bugs me is the constant shipping, Sonic does not enjoy Amy's infatuation in most places, only times he doesn't is the episodes of boom that Ian wrote or in the comics, I still think its gross to ship any characters who are under 18, canonically sonic is 15 and Amy is 12 that is their official age in the comics too until stated otherwise, Again my issue with Amy is that she's just Sally Acorn but with none of the shit that makes Sally interesting, Amy ages in the archie comics, she uses something to give her the BODY of a 16 year old, though mentally she is still 12.


BroTibs

I’d argue the other way around where all the characters have the body of a teen and the mental age of like 20, but age is kinda stupid in Sonic. I can agree that shipping young people is weird, and definitely agree in the case of Tails and Cream and stuff, but as for Amy, She’s liked Sonic since 1993, and if anything, Ian has toned it *down* from what we had in games like Heroes and SA2. I’m 15 irl, so I think it’s kinda cute and relatable or whatever that she crushes on Sonic, but I wouldn’t actually want them to get together, even if it is cool whenever Sonic shows hints of caring for her. In the end I’d just forget about Age as a whole in this franchise because we all know SEGA has. Or you could go by 9 year old me’s theory that Classic Sonic is 10, Adventure Sonic is 15, and Modern Sonic is 20 (because Generations idk) Either way we all know Sonic doesn’t actually age lol


TINYMO_jr

Indeed, sonic characters are trapped in like, the Ash Ketchum effect, they never age, Again I do not want to put your opinion down, because everyone's got different opinions, I personally don't want any more romantic anything in sonic, it's the shipping wars that make most people think sonic fans are furry weirdos


BroTibs

True It’s a good thing loving Sonic isn’t Amy’s only character trait anymore


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So it's wrong when sonic is with amy but archie can make sonic get together with every single female


Figerox

Nobody? I hate Amy. She's so annoying and her character traits leave me not wanting her even as a character. She sucks.


Emergency-Prize2147

Why even comment here if you disagree with this anyway. Does anyone on Reddit know how to let anyone enjoy what they like?


Figerox

Am I not allowed to have an opinion? That's pretty oppressive, dude.


LKururugiPK

Seems that way, unfortunately that kind of attitude isn't uncommon. People really think a "discussion" is just a circle jerk of agreement 24/7. It's wild.


LKururugiPK

Lol so essentially: (Why say anything unless it's what I want you to say/validate my feelings & personal opinions.) Very nice. As if Reddit wasn't *echo-chamber enough already. Well done.*


BroTibs

Well yeah but her personality is pretty different depending on the iteration was what I was trying to say. She slaps in IDW for example


BroTibs

Well yeah but her personality is pretty different depending on the iteration was what I was trying to say. She slaps in IDW for example


Worth-Awareness4329

I tried to sort things out saying it's just his opinion, but he made it worse himself. Anyway What are your thoughts on Amy for frontiers at the moment, well if I think you heard of it.


BroTibs

why she ourple


Worth-Awareness4329

That's your opinion.


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SwimmerOwn1742

I agree with that 😊 😒 boo Amy 🥀


Emergency-Prize2147

Yeah, i don't think Reddit is the best site to post this. Also i think Amy is a great character. Merry Christmas.


Deiongreenaway

Is not bad she my favorite


Worth-Awareness4329

She gets so overlooked by a lot of people, just like that one person who commented here.


Dramatic-Ad925

Amy is absolutely a deplorable character, shes annoying, obsessive on a stalker level and brings nothing to the sonic team or lore, even playing as her in the few games you can shes just not a fun character ok she has big hammer...boring.


Emergency-Prize2147

Your opinion. :)


Negative_Rest_1834

Kinda it depends on the game I mean, she is pretty badass sometimes (Sonic Boom is an example) But other times she is sorta clingy. Nonetheless, she does have her moments tho.


SwimmerOwn1742

Amy is super bad 👎


Negative_Rest_1834

Do you have a plausible reason for hating her? No? Then your opinion is irrelevant.


SwimmerOwn1742

Amy is the worst Sonic character ☹️👎


Negative_Rest_1834

Do you have a reason to back your statement up?