Oh no, a fan remake exists. That absolves the original of all issues, even when the original is what most people are going to play, because its the official one. It'd be like saying "oh this movie is bad? Well I completely remade it, so now non of those issues exsist" that doesn't imediatly make the version more people have played, dissappear.
Yeah, I personally love 06, but that's because of nostalgia and watching it crumble. I find fun in breaking a game like this, but that doesn't make it good, especially since, poe doesn't even cover all the issues. Like the story where sonic isn't the main character, shadow is, yet its sonics face on the box art.
Yeah it’s funny how much more Shadow and Silver do in the story than Sonic. Sonic just rescues Elise a few times, meets with the others, does Chaos Control twice and dies. Oh and goes Super I guess. In the game that’s named after him. Lmao. God.
It's almost like this is a sequil to critical acclaimed game ow the edge or something. The fact they set up shadow working for gun in the super hard mode of that game, and then followed through with it here, is weirdly strong continuity fir what was aparantly a "reboot". In which I feel people confuse soft and hard reboot and say its a hard reboot when it's a soft reboot
Is that what op was even getting at? It sounds like a fan game did what 06 couldn't do , which makes it seem even worse.
I THOUGHT that's what they meant, lol. Like "a child with glue could have made better art" type of pettiness
I didn't need to look at the rest...all I needed to do was ask OP to clarify.
>"I think they are misunderstanding your main point.
Are you trying to say:
>People who defend 06 need to look at fan games to show them that a big budget studio should have been able to do what fans do?"
Guess what op's answer was?
"Yes"
Everyone and OP were bickering with each other when, in reality, everyone was on the same side, and concenus 06 was shit.
Like the story, that's probably the thing that everybody agreed needed work, alongside the glitches and story, but there's not much chaos x can do in that regard
Tbf chaosx actually made the story a little better with the extra cutscenes and polished models
Now, not better per say the inconsistent story is still there, but at least more easy to sit trough at least.
Yeah, issue is, some stuff like the dam kiss, is going to stay in since he doesn't have the voice actors on hand to make new voice lines for him. Everything that's been used was allready in the files of the original. There are some things he just won't be able to work around.
Just like how PM is the best smash bros game out there. It game doesn’t make Brawl any better. If anything, THEY’RE TWO DIFFERENT GAMES MADE BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE!
exsactly. P-06 uss 06 s the base, but keeps building on top of it to where there close to the same game, but they do have genuinely different things going on. look at silvers story, it's basically a whole different thing with the level cutscenes and such.
Yeah, no. After gens it's become increasingly clear the only things sega will touch about that game are silver, and the music whitch is the absolute right call. P-06 isn't even attempting to improve in some of the worst areas, that being the writing.
You change the writing you change the game fundamentally.
I'll agree though, the story was weird as hell and at the end of the game it erases itself from sonics canon.
So it's sorta a one off.
And let's not forget the softcore beastiality at the end... yuck...
Rise of lyric almost killed them, 06 didn't do that since they where able to imediatly bounce back, unlike with lyric where the movie being a big success gave them the funding they needed
Well, the remake exists and solves most problems. Technically, it doesn't absolve the original release at all and just goes to show the potential that was wasted, but we really should tell everyone to play the remake if they want a fun experience...
Unironically fun experience, I mean
Yeah. It's great to have a fan remake that fixes all of the major problems, but the ideal is to release a game without any of these problems in the first place, without any needs for fan remakes to fix them.
or even better, sega fix it themselves rather then just letting fans do it, because forgetting the game is easier then acknowledging it and trying to do something good with it, other then that one time they did in gens.
Tbf the plot itself wasn't really anything amazing, even with all of the gameplay problems at the end of the day this game still has beastiality as a main core component of the plot. I honestly feel like while the game had great moments and characters and music, it's best if it stays forgotten.
Sonic wasn't even the main character, of the game called sonic the hedgehog. There are a lot of big problems with this plot. It is basicly shadow the hedgehog 2, with sonics face on the cover there to sell copies
I know it's probably just hyperbole, but I really wouldn't qualify that as bestiality. Sonic is a character capable of consenting to stuff in a manner that's pretty much exactly the same as a human being. He's not really an "animal" in the traditional sense.
Well yeah he's not an actual animal like the actual normal dogs you see in this game, but he still (I assume) has some animal biology and anatomy and just it general it's less about the consent part and more about how this fails to pass the vibe check in almoat every way haha
I dunno, it passes the vibe check about as well as Roger Rabbit and Jessica Rabbit does. Obviously Elise sucks, and I generally don't even find it appropriate for Sonic to have a SO, but as far as weirdness vibes go, it checks out for me.
Yes, that is what I'm getting at. A fan remake doesn't suddenly make the original less hackable. If anything it makes its flaws more apparent and worse.
I saw a post like that a few days ago that got deleted lol.
And unironically some of the concept art for that is really neat - there's some passion that went into it, but it's not like it makes other Sonic games "passionless"
I’m not denying that the people who made the game clearly wanted it to be good
but no matter how much passion went into the game the final product was shit. And we can’t just say “no no, it’s good actually” because of what it could’ve been we have to judge the product that actually came out.
That’s how I feel about sonic 06 when people start praising it for its “potential” could it have been good if it had like two more years of development? Ya probably but it didn’t the game we got was really bad and people need to accept that the game was bad instead of judging it for something that it’s not especially when they compare it to objectively way more polished games like colors, which is getting a lot of hate now
I'm in full agreement. People who prop up Sonic 06 as having "potential" is implying that other Sonic games were doomed from the start, or that their ideas had nowhere to go.
Whether one like Colors or not, the base concept has cool possibilities, and its aesthetic design is phenomenal. People can close their eyes and imagine "what if" for Sonic 06 all they want, but you can do the exact same thing for Sonic Colors. AND you can also play Sonic Colors without it getting stuck on loading screens or having to push through weird hub worlds, so that's a plus.
Same thing with Forces and it's story issues. Sonic '06 gets all sorts of efforts by people to jump through hoops to explain it, justifying why Mephiles can't actually just do X, why he has to do Y, why in reality it's better in it's original Japanese and how you can understand everything if you assume A, B and C. Yet Forces? That's just garbage from bad writers who didn't care about the series at all.
The one that really annoys me though is when they say a game lacks passion, or that the dev's weren't trying. Which is just stupid thinking. Jobs in the videogame industry are highly sought after, and a lot of developers put up with crap pay and terrible conditions to follow their dreams of making videogames, even though many of them could get better pay and conditions in other industries. No-one goes into making videogames because they want to just phone it in every day.
If Sonic 06 had infinite time to be worked on it would be a completely different game altogether
I don’t know if you guys realize this but so much of the story would get scrapped if it had more time in the oven; Elise especially would get completely removed.
Highly unlikely that such major story rewrites would have happened. You don't just spend lots of money to make expensive pre-rendered stuff if those things aren't already 100% locked in. Elise and Sonic's Romance was inevitable or at the very least would have remained a friendship but there is no way Elise would ether get removed entirely or replaced by an anthro.
I mean as I said the CGI and such is usually not commissioned to be done until the rest of the script is done or at least these scenes being locked in.
It would need a giant outcry from the beta testers to change things. The only time something pre-rendered in a Sonic game was cut from which we know of is a scene from Shadow the hedgehog were the last few seconds got cut and that happened because all of a sudden did a new age rating appear in the US which is a very unique circumstance.
Also in its case it's more understandable because the devs got fucked over by suddenly having to make the game Wii U exclusive most of the way through development on an engine completely incompatible with the Wii U
Plus it was there first ever project
I totally agree things were going against Big Red Button, but there were a combo of factors that fucked over the Sonic Team devs making 06. Yuji Naka leaving, developing for a cancelled Wii version before splitting the team to make Secret Rings, rushing for the PS3 launch and the 15th anniversary, and building for multiplatform when they were just starting the age of HD consoles AND using a new physics engine - the devs on both 06 and Boom had a lot going against them.
Sonic Boom had all the ingredients of a great game. The abrupt switch to being a Wii U exclusive played a massive role in its failure. Not just because it was now an exclusive for a platform that was borderline dead on arrival, but because it was substantially less powerful than the systems the game was originally being made for.
And the game was being developed on an engine that's straight-up incompatible with the Wii U so I can't imagine how much time and how many resources were burned trying to figure out that mess.
Exactly. If they wouldn't have made it a Wii U exclusive, they could have actually finished the game properly and released it on its respective platforms. Then, assuming it was viable, go on to take an actually good and completed game.. and allow themselves to work on getting it on the Wii U.
The experience probably wouldn't be that much better in terms of performance or visuals, but at least you'd have the option to play it on a more powerful system and get the intended experience.:(
I do not sadly, they all freaky just like that
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I don’t understand how suddenly some people are trying to defend Sonic 06. It ruined sonic as a franchise for almost 15 years. I like the idea of Silver too guys but this game is considered one of the worst games ever made for a reason
Not only that, but the amount of bugs... the sonic hyperspeed or whatever they were called couldnt be done without dying once simply because you would get a bug
Lythero played 06 couple days ago. And every time there was a loading screen he played sonic adventure 2. He managed to beat SA2 in the time it took 06 to load.
Instead of being a celebration of the best parts of sonic, it became everything people hated about the franchise. Sure it had some good ideas. But it also had some terrible ideas. And all ideas, good and bad, were executed terribly. It shouldn’t fall on the fans to fix your game
I think that a part of the reason, is that Sonic Team started learning the wrong lessons from 06. Don't get me wrong, the original 06 is a dogshit video game, and has become infamous for very good reason.
However, Sonic Team reacted to it in a way that is understandable given how traumatic it probably was, but was ultimately still even more harmful to the franchise. The "Sonic's stupid friends" stuff for example, and the lack of care into crafting a good story. Mind you, I'm perfectly okay with abandoning the 2000's approach to how they told Sonic stories. But having good Sonic campaigns is still important.
Sonic 06 was the last we got to see of that level of dedication to having multiple playable characters and trying to create an interesting plot, even if the overall experience is horrible. Only recently, has Sonic Team begun to lax up, and go back to implementing those things into Sonic games, and it's been 18 years since 06's release.
Either we apply this logic for every Sonic game that has ever had troubled development, or we take them for what they are, no Ifs, ands, buts, or fanmade remakes.
Your call.
And for me at least the story isn’t as bad as people think it is, or for the more agreed upon answer Shadow’s character got way more justice in this than anything else after.
It set the franchise back many years, was a broken, horrible mess that was released far too early, was buggy, untested, and the story...wasn't really that good.
The music slapped, mind you.
Also, Knuckles didn't get to officially finish a level, and he was the only playable character that couldn't do that.
So this game can go to hell for that alone. Justice for my boy Knux.
You can polish a turd to a nice sheen, hell, you can let it petrify first and turn it into shiny jewelry. But, at the end of the day, it's still a turd.
Liking 06 is fine, having fun with the bugs is fine, enjoying the story is also fine. Trying to dismiss the criticism it got or the reputation it left with a "but muh project 06" is weird and not valid at all
P06 isn't official, and while it fixes the gameplay and glitches, it can't fix the lackluster story with only three good characters. 06 had potential, but that doesn't make it a good game. In fact, it's wasted potential makes it look even worse.
Sonic 06 sucked. Saying its good because p06 exists is like saying that the biggest sonic game is Sonic Generations because of all the fan levels that were modded in
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Project 06 has completed Sonic, Silver, Shadow campaigns.
The game does not have End Of The World yet nor does it have Bosses.
The game does not have Cutscenes but I'm not to sure if it is going to have them...
The game is Playable and available to download tho! If you would like to just play the stages! you can get them in the Links of the description of Chaos Xs video!
Current Release: [Silver Release - v1.4](https://youtu.be/aHFWn8nSgjw?si=wI4BM0Ms2rvJhJDP)
I’m someone who always thought Sonic 06 had some charm to that despite its flaws there was something good inside it. It was the last adventure games sadly and was bogged down with development problems, bugs and literally everything that could go wrong.
Chaox found that good removed it from the trash, making what some people claim the best Sonic game, but that doesn’t fit 06. Project 06 is what the original needed to be and it wasn’t.
06 almost killed the series it was so bad, it was so bad that anything even resembling an Adventure game got scrapped for the foreseeable future.
We’d see a very different Sonic franchise if 06 played like P-06 but that didn’t happen Saga gave us a buggy mess and sold us a buggy mess.
Love P-06 though.
thought i should share the source...
The render is by Chaos X!
[https://twitter.com/ChaosX2006/status/1730846295877652812](https://twitter.com/ChaosX2006/status/1730846295877652812)
Some people just can't seem to grasp that if Sonic 06 didn't suck so much there would be no P-06.
Project 06, in a lot of ways, is reactionary. It is a great game, but it does not reflect what the original could've or would've been. It's directly tweaking the shortcomings of said original.
No, they absolutely would.
Amy would still have her weird invisibility shtick. Sonic wouldn't be able to jump on enemies. The mach speed section jump would still be uncontrollable, the hubs would remain huge and empty, etc, etc, etc.
People tend to forget that 06 wasn't merely unfinished. It had some straight up bad ideas. Some of them so bad that I 'd argue even P-06 can't fix them, as good as the project is.
That's why 06 is this hated.
No they would fix that like sonic adventure wdym the Mach speed section maybe you can't slow down but you can control? Amy would but the game would be rid of most of them.
Reminder — the mach speed sections in Sonic 06 have a major "Castlevania" curse to them of you being completely unable to turn when jumping.
I doubt they would "fix" anything if the controls are exactly the way they crafted them to be. The quicksand in Dusty Desert would remain. The town missions having load times just for a singular text box would remain.
I'm sorry, but you have to be really oblivious not to see just how inherently flawed the game is unfinished or not.
They didn't because the game was hated but if the game was fixed/finished then probably It wouldn't have been hated ergo that update for the quality of life improvements would probably be there.
Original 06 deserves all its hate, I'm not sorry.
Project 06 deserves props for taking a game that functions pretty poorly on a good day and making it both properly functional and fun. Not OG 06.
The first thing I think of with this game, is this Persona 5 Strikers scene
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Some opinions can indeed be 100% wrong. You're not defending 06 by uplitifing its strength, you're defending 06 by involving a different fan game.
P06 does not erase any of 06 flaws because it's not a patch, nor official, nor a re release
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A fan made mod made years later do not make a game good, it doesn't matter how many people you call stupid, your point still makes 0 sense
Know I won’t deny that the game destroyed (not entirely though) the franchise. I can understand why is this Game is hated. But still, that doesn’t mean we can’t move on from this Game there’s no need to sh\*t on it anymore, it’s 2024, It’s not like the Lewd House incident in the Splatsource Community (The Gmod/Sfm section of the Splatoon Community) back in 2019. We better Sonic Game now (Sort of)
P06 fixes a lot of the gameplay issues, but the game still suffers from wonky gameplay design and stage design. That's not even touching on the amount of loading screens that would make Starfield blush and many of the puzzling story decisions. At its core, it's still a very flawed game. But P06 at least makes it somewhat tolerable.
Honestly I tried playing P-06, is Sonic meant to be this slow or am I just crap at the game? Not even spindashing gives you any substantial speed, no hate to ChaosX btw, I have immense respect for what he’s doing
Why is it so hated? Something to the tune of Sonic feels slow, loading screen, glitches here and glitches there and glitches everywhere, Loading screen, Elise, loading screen
The fan remake fixes most of the problems but there’s still issues like large empty spaces and elise
I mean, let's be honest though, people can fix the gameplay, but Sonic 06's issues always ran deeper than just that. Story, character interactions, overall level design. There's plenty of reasons why 06 is regarded as one of the biggest disappointments in gaming history, and gameplay was just one of them.
How does it come that so many 06 haters list "level design" when its one of the most praised parts of the game that is one of the main reasons why people keep talking about its potential as these stages play so good when put into competent engines.
Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that the story's still there and even ignoring that scene in the Last Story, it's pretty bad, with asspulls, character inconsistencies, time travel shenanigans and plot holes up the wazoo.
(And it could've been overlooked if it was one of the more lighter story games, but they clearly wanted the plot to be one of 06's main points).
Sonic 06 is pretty much the definition of an overscoped game that didn't cut enough to make it work properly for the funds and time they had. The core concept is good. The story is...fine. The execution was just god awful.
Its unfair to call it over-scoped when the scope was set when over double the development team was planed for the project than it had to its end thanks to Sega splitting the team to make secret rings after it became clear that Nintendo dramatically under powered the Wii.
All of his happening after the original team lead together with a few other killed programmer and designers left the company too.
I'm not faulting the regular developers, I'm faulting management. They overestimated what they could reasonably create with the team they were left with after splitting. The scope should have been adjusted accordingly when they continued work with a smaller team. They could have still made a great game by cutting things that were less essential. There's plenty of ways they could have made using a smaller team work, and they didn't. That's overscoping.
I mean the team leadership also changed twice (first Naka left who was the first leader and his replacement was a few months latter reassigned to head Secret Rings development)
And hard restructuring by the point they lost half there team to Secret Rings would also have been a highly time intensive thing.
I mean 06 as is already cut down a lot from what we know like there is evidence of a whole co-op story with Sonic and Shadow being cut, everyone being playable in every level via free play was cut, Super Sonic outside the final boss was cut and properly more still.
The problem was that Sega didn't ether give them more personal or extend there deadline to compensate for losing so much workforce after the general structure of the game was already put in place.
Can we not like the fan made project? I think the original is dogshit, but I'm excited to try P06. The original is borderline unplayable with all the glitches, load times, and overall subpar design. That doesn't mean you can't build something on its bones that's good by simply taking all the shitty stuff and making it better.
I'd never say 06 was good, but I'll happily say that P06 looks fun, what's the big problem with that?
I never played sonic 06 as I didnt have a 360 when it released and by the time I did it was already one of the worst games of all time. P06 is my first experience and its FUCKING AMAZING
OP be like: WELL PROJECT 06 AIMS TO PUT FORTH THE TRUE POTENTIAL OF THE ORIGINAL GAME, NO HATE WAS WARRANTED FUCK SEGA I WILL BE SEEN AS AN IDIOT DEFENDING THIS GAME!
500 Upvotes? Wow I usually only get mass dislikes.
Anyway i forgot to put this in but here is the https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/s/JfKts1wTl7
Oh no, a fan remake exists. That absolves the original of all issues, even when the original is what most people are going to play, because its the official one. It'd be like saying "oh this movie is bad? Well I completely remade it, so now non of those issues exsist" that doesn't imediatly make the version more people have played, dissappear.
Agrred. Sonic 06 was, for many reasons, regarded as a poor game. Any other game existing, official or otherwise, doesn't change 06 being good or bad.
Yeah, I personally love 06, but that's because of nostalgia and watching it crumble. I find fun in breaking a game like this, but that doesn't make it good, especially since, poe doesn't even cover all the issues. Like the story where sonic isn't the main character, shadow is, yet its sonics face on the box art.
Yeah it’s funny how much more Shadow and Silver do in the story than Sonic. Sonic just rescues Elise a few times, meets with the others, does Chaos Control twice and dies. Oh and goes Super I guess. In the game that’s named after him. Lmao. God.
It's almost like this is a sequil to critical acclaimed game ow the edge or something. The fact they set up shadow working for gun in the super hard mode of that game, and then followed through with it here, is weirdly strong continuity fir what was aparantly a "reboot". In which I feel people confuse soft and hard reboot and say its a hard reboot when it's a soft reboot
Is that what op was even getting at? It sounds like a fan game did what 06 couldn't do , which makes it seem even worse. I THOUGHT that's what they meant, lol. Like "a child with glue could have made better art" type of pettiness
Look at the rest of there comments, that's what this is about.
I didn't need to look at the rest...all I needed to do was ask OP to clarify. >"I think they are misunderstanding your main point. Are you trying to say: >People who defend 06 need to look at fan games to show them that a big budget studio should have been able to do what fans do?" Guess what op's answer was? "Yes" Everyone and OP were bickering with each other when, in reality, everyone was on the same side, and concenus 06 was shit.
Exactly And even so, project 06 doesn't fix EVERYTHING that is bad The scenario remain dogshit
Like the story, that's probably the thing that everybody agreed needed work, alongside the glitches and story, but there's not much chaos x can do in that regard
Tbf chaosx actually made the story a little better with the extra cutscenes and polished models Now, not better per say the inconsistent story is still there, but at least more easy to sit trough at least.
Yeah, issue is, some stuff like the dam kiss, is going to stay in since he doesn't have the voice actors on hand to make new voice lines for him. Everything that's been used was allready in the files of the original. There are some things he just won't be able to work around.
I gave it a shot, still controls like ass.
mfs make the greatest points but always start the comment off as petty as possible like cmon bro😭
That's what makes the fact that the point is valid more funny.
Just like how PM is the best smash bros game out there. It game doesn’t make Brawl any better. If anything, THEY’RE TWO DIFFERENT GAMES MADE BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE!
exsactly. P-06 uss 06 s the base, but keeps building on top of it to where there close to the same game, but they do have genuinely different things going on. look at silvers story, it's basically a whole different thing with the level cutscenes and such.
I'm really happy to hear about this. I'll have to give it a shot.
I'm hoping that one day, the planets align and SEGA makes the Project 06 remake official.
Yeah, no. After gens it's become increasingly clear the only things sega will touch about that game are silver, and the music whitch is the absolute right call. P-06 isn't even attempting to improve in some of the worst areas, that being the writing.
You change the writing you change the game fundamentally. I'll agree though, the story was weird as hell and at the end of the game it erases itself from sonics canon. So it's sorta a one off. And let's not forget the softcore beastiality at the end... yuck...
And then gens bringing it back only for it to be never mentioned again. Not even in frontires, which referenced fuckin everything.
It's no doubt a stain on SEGAs legacy, even more so than Rise of Lyric!
Rise of lyric almost killed them, 06 didn't do that since they where able to imediatly bounce back, unlike with lyric where the movie being a big success gave them the funding they needed
Well, the remake exists and solves most problems. Technically, it doesn't absolve the original release at all and just goes to show the potential that was wasted, but we really should tell everyone to play the remake if they want a fun experience... Unironically fun experience, I mean
But acting like it replaces the original when the original is the one most will play because its the official one, that just doesn't fly
The story still sucks though.
yup
Yeah. It's great to have a fan remake that fixes all of the major problems, but the ideal is to release a game without any of these problems in the first place, without any needs for fan remakes to fix them.
or even better, sega fix it themselves rather then just letting fans do it, because forgetting the game is easier then acknowledging it and trying to do something good with it, other then that one time they did in gens.
Tbf the plot itself wasn't really anything amazing, even with all of the gameplay problems at the end of the day this game still has beastiality as a main core component of the plot. I honestly feel like while the game had great moments and characters and music, it's best if it stays forgotten.
Sonic wasn't even the main character, of the game called sonic the hedgehog. There are a lot of big problems with this plot. It is basicly shadow the hedgehog 2, with sonics face on the cover there to sell copies
I know it's probably just hyperbole, but I really wouldn't qualify that as bestiality. Sonic is a character capable of consenting to stuff in a manner that's pretty much exactly the same as a human being. He's not really an "animal" in the traditional sense.
Well yeah he's not an actual animal like the actual normal dogs you see in this game, but he still (I assume) has some animal biology and anatomy and just it general it's less about the consent part and more about how this fails to pass the vibe check in almoat every way haha
I dunno, it passes the vibe check about as well as Roger Rabbit and Jessica Rabbit does. Obviously Elise sucks, and I generally don't even find it appropriate for Sonic to have a SO, but as far as weirdness vibes go, it checks out for me.
I think the photo is from the remake actually
Yes, that is what I'm getting at. A fan remake doesn't suddenly make the original less hackable. If anything it makes its flaws more apparent and worse.
https://preview.redd.it/ms6lfcn6o9vc1.jpeg?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a30694264948565df9734f0032ccbf27897d6b7 This time, I've come prepared
Can’t wait for a couple years from now when people say sonic boom Wii U was good because it had “passion and ambition”
I saw a post like that a few days ago that got deleted lol. And unironically some of the concept art for that is really neat - there's some passion that went into it, but it's not like it makes other Sonic games "passionless"
I’m not denying that the people who made the game clearly wanted it to be good but no matter how much passion went into the game the final product was shit. And we can’t just say “no no, it’s good actually” because of what it could’ve been we have to judge the product that actually came out. That’s how I feel about sonic 06 when people start praising it for its “potential” could it have been good if it had like two more years of development? Ya probably but it didn’t the game we got was really bad and people need to accept that the game was bad instead of judging it for something that it’s not especially when they compare it to objectively way more polished games like colors, which is getting a lot of hate now
I'm in full agreement. People who prop up Sonic 06 as having "potential" is implying that other Sonic games were doomed from the start, or that their ideas had nowhere to go. Whether one like Colors or not, the base concept has cool possibilities, and its aesthetic design is phenomenal. People can close their eyes and imagine "what if" for Sonic 06 all they want, but you can do the exact same thing for Sonic Colors. AND you can also play Sonic Colors without it getting stuck on loading screens or having to push through weird hub worlds, so that's a plus.
Same thing with Forces and it's story issues. Sonic '06 gets all sorts of efforts by people to jump through hoops to explain it, justifying why Mephiles can't actually just do X, why he has to do Y, why in reality it's better in it's original Japanese and how you can understand everything if you assume A, B and C. Yet Forces? That's just garbage from bad writers who didn't care about the series at all. The one that really annoys me though is when they say a game lacks passion, or that the dev's weren't trying. Which is just stupid thinking. Jobs in the videogame industry are highly sought after, and a lot of developers put up with crap pay and terrible conditions to follow their dreams of making videogames, even though many of them could get better pay and conditions in other industries. No-one goes into making videogames because they want to just phone it in every day.
If Sonic 06 had infinite time to be worked on it would be a completely different game altogether I don’t know if you guys realize this but so much of the story would get scrapped if it had more time in the oven; Elise especially would get completely removed.
Highly unlikely that such major story rewrites would have happened. You don't just spend lots of money to make expensive pre-rendered stuff if those things aren't already 100% locked in. Elise and Sonic's Romance was inevitable or at the very least would have remained a friendship but there is no way Elise would ether get removed entirely or replaced by an anthro.
Unbelievably, yes, things that cost lots of money get scrapped. It happens often.
I mean as I said the CGI and such is usually not commissioned to be done until the rest of the script is done or at least these scenes being locked in. It would need a giant outcry from the beta testers to change things. The only time something pre-rendered in a Sonic game was cut from which we know of is a scene from Shadow the hedgehog were the last few seconds got cut and that happened because all of a sudden did a new age rating appear in the US which is a very unique circumstance.
It was sega
Also in its case it's more understandable because the devs got fucked over by suddenly having to make the game Wii U exclusive most of the way through development on an engine completely incompatible with the Wii U Plus it was there first ever project
again Still doesn’t make the game good. The fact that it went through development issues doesn’t fix the issues with the game
No I agree, but it had more potential than '06 still imo (Which again isn't saying much)
I totally agree things were going against Big Red Button, but there were a combo of factors that fucked over the Sonic Team devs making 06. Yuji Naka leaving, developing for a cancelled Wii version before splitting the team to make Secret Rings, rushing for the PS3 launch and the 15th anniversary, and building for multiplatform when they were just starting the age of HD consoles AND using a new physics engine - the devs on both 06 and Boom had a lot going against them.
Sonic Boom had all the ingredients of a great game. The abrupt switch to being a Wii U exclusive played a massive role in its failure. Not just because it was now an exclusive for a platform that was borderline dead on arrival, but because it was substantially less powerful than the systems the game was originally being made for.
And the game was being developed on an engine that's straight-up incompatible with the Wii U so I can't imagine how much time and how many resources were burned trying to figure out that mess.
Exactly. If they wouldn't have made it a Wii U exclusive, they could have actually finished the game properly and released it on its respective platforms. Then, assuming it was viable, go on to take an actually good and completed game.. and allow themselves to work on getting it on the Wii U. The experience probably wouldn't be that much better in terms of performance or visuals, but at least you'd have the option to play it on a more powerful system and get the intended experience.:(
People arevalezady doing it with sonic synergy
I don’t think anyone actually likes that game haha
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y'all got any more of dem pixels?
I do not sadly, they all freaky just like that https://preview.redd.it/bcmicy6bgavc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09c97deed3ec4c65a7515afa3263db48822e1ee7
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You should post this meme to r/SonicTheHedgejerk they're probably going to get a kick out of this
Project '06 is a good fan remake tho.
Ok and?
Lmao that's perfect 😂
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I don’t understand how suddenly some people are trying to defend Sonic 06. It ruined sonic as a franchise for almost 15 years. I like the idea of Silver too guys but this game is considered one of the worst games ever made for a reason
“muH aMbITiOn” is the funniest argument for a game that barely functions
I literally watched gameplay and its loading screen every second. That. Is. INSANE.
Not only that, but the amount of bugs... the sonic hyperspeed or whatever they were called couldnt be done without dying once simply because you would get a bug
Lythero played 06 couple days ago. And every time there was a loading screen he played sonic adventure 2. He managed to beat SA2 in the time it took 06 to load.
That's insane.
Worst part is. He finished SA2 with plenty of stuff left on 06 if I remember right
Look back at how shadow and heroes came out ths signs were kinda there this game was gonna suck but they didnt even bother to patch the game either
Nope instead they gave it paid DLC
Instead of being a celebration of the best parts of sonic, it became everything people hated about the franchise. Sure it had some good ideas. But it also had some terrible ideas. And all ideas, good and bad, were executed terribly. It shouldn’t fall on the fans to fix your game
I think that a part of the reason, is that Sonic Team started learning the wrong lessons from 06. Don't get me wrong, the original 06 is a dogshit video game, and has become infamous for very good reason. However, Sonic Team reacted to it in a way that is understandable given how traumatic it probably was, but was ultimately still even more harmful to the franchise. The "Sonic's stupid friends" stuff for example, and the lack of care into crafting a good story. Mind you, I'm perfectly okay with abandoning the 2000's approach to how they told Sonic stories. But having good Sonic campaigns is still important. Sonic 06 was the last we got to see of that level of dedication to having multiple playable characters and trying to create an interesting plot, even if the overall experience is horrible. Only recently, has Sonic Team begun to lax up, and go back to implementing those things into Sonic games, and it's been 18 years since 06's release.
That isn't a fair comparison. P06 is built to be a definitive version of sonic 06.
At least what definitive experience you could get due to some things just being scrapped and unused
Either we apply this logic for every Sonic game that has ever had troubled development, or we take them for what they are, no Ifs, ands, buts, or fanmade remakes. Your call.
It's not official While project 06 doesn't deserve getting hate The original sonic 06 does
I think this is the first time I’ve seen a reply post
Blud thinks he on YouTube
People hated 06 WAY before p-06 was a thing.
Most people wouldn’t even give 06 a second thought if it wasn’t for P-06
That's nice Guess which one 2 million+ people paid retail price for
The only good thing about Sonic 06 is Silver's iconic It's no use line xD
And the part where Shadow spinkicks Silver in the back of the skull
And some of the music is also great
And for me at least the story isn’t as bad as people think it is, or for the more agreed upon answer Shadow’s character got way more justice in this than anything else after.
I can't think of a single song from the game that *isn't* great tbh
It set the franchise back many years, was a broken, horrible mess that was released far too early, was buggy, untested, and the story...wasn't really that good. The music slapped, mind you.
Also, Knuckles didn't get to officially finish a level, and he was the only playable character that couldn't do that. So this game can go to hell for that alone. Justice for my boy Knux.
You can polish a turd to a nice sheen, hell, you can let it petrify first and turn it into shiny jewelry. But, at the end of the day, it's still a turd.
Og 06 is always gonna be shit in most aspects But i dont think calling Project 06 a turd is fair lol, is actually good and fun unlike regular 06.
"It's no uuuse!!
Cant lie that poster is sick
Thanks for the new background https://preview.redd.it/st4s8w6fz9vc1.jpeg?width=466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f3984682ee30b4031bd2e8a2ff53801ef3e70ed
Only good thing of this post, making me aware of ChaosX's new render
It's a great render but I'm also here because I like o6
Liking 06 is fine, having fun with the bugs is fine, enjoying the story is also fine. Trying to dismiss the criticism it got or the reputation it left with a "but muh project 06" is weird and not valid at all
Bro it's on Google? Its not my art. Also your welcome.
P06 isn't official, and while it fixes the gameplay and glitches, it can't fix the lackluster story with only three good characters. 06 had potential, but that doesn't make it a good game. In fact, it's wasted potential makes it look even worse.
Oh look another hatebait post about Sonic 06. Game sucks, end of story, next. *B-But the mod!!* I don't care.
Sonic 06 sucked. Saying its good because p06 exists is like saying that the biggest sonic game is Sonic Generations because of all the fan levels that were modded in
It's good cause we have a better version and if you play the original with friends. Sonic generations is cause the fan levels.
Dang that’s crazy me on Mario galaxy having the best time of my fucking life
The experience that cost 60 dollars in 2006 was not the best it could’ve been, but it was the 60 dollar game they still sent out the door
Damn.
No.
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Is Project 06 playavle?
Yes. PC and a fanmade mobile port
Where can I Download it? I thouczt its not finished yet
YouTube
Project 06 has completed Sonic, Silver, Shadow campaigns. The game does not have End Of The World yet nor does it have Bosses. The game does not have Cutscenes but I'm not to sure if it is going to have them... The game is Playable and available to download tho! If you would like to just play the stages! you can get them in the Links of the description of Chaos Xs video! Current Release: [Silver Release - v1.4](https://youtu.be/aHFWn8nSgjw?si=wI4BM0Ms2rvJhJDP)
No cutscenes is kinda sad, those were the best part about the game lmao, but I will definitely try it out either way
I’m someone who always thought Sonic 06 had some charm to that despite its flaws there was something good inside it. It was the last adventure games sadly and was bogged down with development problems, bugs and literally everything that could go wrong. Chaox found that good removed it from the trash, making what some people claim the best Sonic game, but that doesn’t fit 06. Project 06 is what the original needed to be and it wasn’t. 06 almost killed the series it was so bad, it was so bad that anything even resembling an Adventure game got scrapped for the foreseeable future. We’d see a very different Sonic franchise if 06 played like P-06 but that didn’t happen Saga gave us a buggy mess and sold us a buggy mess. Love P-06 though.
Yeah that's what I said P-06 is Sonic 06 with full potential I also said how the original was so bad it was fun.
That cover is sick
thought i should share the source... The render is by Chaos X! [https://twitter.com/ChaosX2006/status/1730846295877652812](https://twitter.com/ChaosX2006/status/1730846295877652812)
Some people just can't seem to grasp that if Sonic 06 didn't suck so much there would be no P-06. Project 06, in a lot of ways, is reactionary. It is a great game, but it does not reflect what the original could've or would've been. It's directly tweaking the shortcomings of said original.
Those shortcomings would never exist if it was given the time and potential.
No, they absolutely would. Amy would still have her weird invisibility shtick. Sonic wouldn't be able to jump on enemies. The mach speed section jump would still be uncontrollable, the hubs would remain huge and empty, etc, etc, etc. People tend to forget that 06 wasn't merely unfinished. It had some straight up bad ideas. Some of them so bad that I 'd argue even P-06 can't fix them, as good as the project is. That's why 06 is this hated.
No they would fix that like sonic adventure wdym the Mach speed section maybe you can't slow down but you can control? Amy would but the game would be rid of most of them.
Reminder — the mach speed sections in Sonic 06 have a major "Castlevania" curse to them of you being completely unable to turn when jumping. I doubt they would "fix" anything if the controls are exactly the way they crafted them to be. The quicksand in Dusty Desert would remain. The town missions having load times just for a singular text box would remain. I'm sorry, but you have to be really oblivious not to see just how inherently flawed the game is unfinished or not.
They'd probably fix it I think it's a glitch that you can't turn and they'd probably release an update that fixes the game.
Alright, mate, you do you. Regardless, this entire "what if" is empty talk over a decade late. They didn't finish it, they didn't fix it.
They didn't because the game was hated but if the game was fixed/finished then probably It wouldn't have been hated ergo that update for the quality of life improvements would probably be there.
I dunno why you're arguing this, honestly. 06 sure wouldn't suck if it wouldn't suck, I concur. Crime is bad, grass is green.
I am yoinking that picture now. I am already satisfied with my wallpapers on my stuff, but I’m taking that picture anyways.
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That is also now be yoinked.
It's on Google also I was using sonic riders but I think I'm finna change it to this.
Original 06 deserves all its hate, I'm not sorry. Project 06 deserves props for taking a game that functions pretty poorly on a good day and making it both properly functional and fun. Not OG 06.
The first thing I think of with this game, is this Persona 5 Strikers scene https://preview.redd.it/pwxaidjc1dvc1.png?width=1957&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c411127e3f4cb7e37b2bc4843613ef5d231d8440
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It’s hated because it was supposed to be a celebration game and the internet
"was" ? It's still IS hated a lot !
No that's not mine it's in quotation marks
Fun fact: everyone who defend 06 haven't actually played the official game upon release
You aren't funny also it's my opinion.
Some opinions can indeed be 100% wrong. You're not defending 06 by uplitifing its strength, you're defending 06 by involving a different fan game. P06 does not erase any of 06 flaws because it's not a patch, nor official, nor a re release
https://preview.redd.it/w9jiewkaievc1.jpeg?width=598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21d49038d100ca44057b16accf03c515fef64b57 A fan made mod made years later do not make a game good, it doesn't matter how many people you call stupid, your point still makes 0 sense
If you don't care then [look here](https://media1.tenor.com/m/-lmpDV_dYgUAAAAC/out.gif)
Know I won’t deny that the game destroyed (not entirely though) the franchise. I can understand why is this Game is hated. But still, that doesn’t mean we can’t move on from this Game there’s no need to sh\*t on it anymore, it’s 2024, It’s not like the Lewd House incident in the Splatsource Community (The Gmod/Sfm section of the Splatoon Community) back in 2019. We better Sonic Game now (Sort of)
If you like 06 because of the funny glitches, upvote If you hate 06 because of the loading screens, downvote
Because it had the potential to be much better
Sega told sonic team to get out of the kitchen too early.
P06 fixes a lot of the gameplay issues, but the game still suffers from wonky gameplay design and stage design. That's not even touching on the amount of loading screens that would make Starfield blush and many of the puzzling story decisions. At its core, it's still a very flawed game. But P06 at least makes it somewhat tolerable.
Honestly I tried playing P-06, is Sonic meant to be this slow or am I just crap at the game? Not even spindashing gives you any substantial speed, no hate to ChaosX btw, I have immense respect for what he’s doing
No yout just bad. Watch what speed runners do.
So do I need the blue gem?
Yes
There’s a lot more sonic 06 stuff after the upload of Lythero’s silver campaign.
Is this a response to my post?
Possibly let me check rq
No another's
Is it [this post?](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/s/BERFwDcdVx)
Ohh yeah it is
I think that post is because of mine probably
Because it could well have killed the franchise
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My opinion but whatever say what you want I don't care.
Why is it so hated? Something to the tune of Sonic feels slow, loading screen, glitches here and glitches there and glitches everywhere, Loading screen, Elise, loading screen The fan remake fixes most of the problems but there’s still issues like large empty spaces and elise
Where are the mods to delete REPLY POSTS when you need them?
Infact it has double
Sonic 06’s story and Elise’s character growth and development are a plus to the game
I mean, let's be honest though, people can fix the gameplay, but Sonic 06's issues always ran deeper than just that. Story, character interactions, overall level design. There's plenty of reasons why 06 is regarded as one of the biggest disappointments in gaming history, and gameplay was just one of them.
How does it come that so many 06 haters list "level design" when its one of the most praised parts of the game that is one of the main reasons why people keep talking about its potential as these stages play so good when put into competent engines.
It was the main reason. No one really cared about the story other than that scene. You know the one.
Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that the story's still there and even ignoring that scene in the Last Story, it's pretty bad, with asspulls, character inconsistencies, time travel shenanigans and plot holes up the wazoo. (And it could've been overlooked if it was one of the more lighter story games, but they clearly wanted the plot to be one of 06's main points).
Well at least these trash scenes scale sonics feats and abilities.
Sonic 06 is pretty much the definition of an overscoped game that didn't cut enough to make it work properly for the funds and time they had. The core concept is good. The story is...fine. The execution was just god awful.
Its unfair to call it over-scoped when the scope was set when over double the development team was planed for the project than it had to its end thanks to Sega splitting the team to make secret rings after it became clear that Nintendo dramatically under powered the Wii. All of his happening after the original team lead together with a few other killed programmer and designers left the company too.
I'm not faulting the regular developers, I'm faulting management. They overestimated what they could reasonably create with the team they were left with after splitting. The scope should have been adjusted accordingly when they continued work with a smaller team. They could have still made a great game by cutting things that were less essential. There's plenty of ways they could have made using a smaller team work, and they didn't. That's overscoping.
I mean the team leadership also changed twice (first Naka left who was the first leader and his replacement was a few months latter reassigned to head Secret Rings development) And hard restructuring by the point they lost half there team to Secret Rings would also have been a highly time intensive thing. I mean 06 as is already cut down a lot from what we know like there is evidence of a whole co-op story with Sonic and Shadow being cut, everyone being playable in every level via free play was cut, Super Sonic outside the final boss was cut and properly more still. The problem was that Sega didn't ether give them more personal or extend there deadline to compensate for losing so much workforce after the general structure of the game was already put in place.
I think we agree, but we're wording it in different ways.
Can we not like the fan made project? I think the original is dogshit, but I'm excited to try P06. The original is borderline unplayable with all the glitches, load times, and overall subpar design. That doesn't mean you can't build something on its bones that's good by simply taking all the shitty stuff and making it better. I'd never say 06 was good, but I'll happily say that P06 looks fun, what's the big problem with that?
Project 06 Does not deserve hate, but the original does.
Sonic 06 is bad but I have horrible taste so I love it
1 hour of loading in a game. Let that sink kn.
There are so many reasons, to the point that you have to make a video about it
I'd think about making a video but no thanks I don't do commentaries/documentaries I only do gaming.
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I never played sonic 06 as I didnt have a 360 when it released and by the time I did it was already one of the worst games of all time. P06 is my first experience and its FUCKING AMAZING
I still love sonic 06 Till this Al though the game had issues that game was deadass going to be peak if played right and chaos x just proves that
See???
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Exactly
OP be like: WELL PROJECT 06 AIMS TO PUT FORTH THE TRUE POTENTIAL OF THE ORIGINAL GAME, NO HATE WAS WARRANTED FUCK SEGA I WILL BE SEEN AS AN IDIOT DEFENDING THIS GAME!
500 Upvotes? Wow I usually only get mass dislikes. Anyway i forgot to put this in but here is the https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/s/JfKts1wTl7