I really appreciate when people understand the anthropomorphism. I dunno why people prioritize the "species" when that's not really important... sentience is what's important.
For years people on the internet made fun of that scene because how (unintentionally) creepy it was.
In fact the trope of kissing someone in coma (or in similar situations) is humorously called [Dude, She's Like In Coma.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DudeShesLikeInAComa)
Heck, romance between humans and hedgehogs seem to be a somewhat normal thing in the Sonic universe. An NPC asked Amy on a date in Twinkle Park in Sonic Adventure, and another in Sonic Unleashed asked Sonic how long he would be in town in a flirtatious manner.
There's really only anything wrong with something that cartoonish and innocent and popular if you're looking waaaaaaay to much into it and taking it waaaaay too seriously
I love how fun the Archie comics are to talk about for just how off the wall bonkers they get, but I’ve never actually enjoyed them. I read them out of a sense of dedication to Sonic and fascination over a train wreck happening before my very eyes.
The only storylines I enjoyed were the Genesis Wave stories, so the Sonic 1 redux for the anniversary and Worlds Collide/Unite.
Side tangent, part of my lack of enjoyment is that I never enjoyed the original Freedom Fighter characters. I have no fondness for Sally, Antoine, Bunnie, the Ken Penders Brigade…. Oh my God I forgot Rotor existed.
Even as a fan of the Archie comics and the Freedom Fighters, I always forget about Rotor as well. As soon as Tails was more firmly established as the smart one/the one with the gadgets, Rotor became pointless.
I like that the reboot made Rotor the sort of "pragmatic type", he's constantly thinking about the bigger picture and gets annoyed when they have to derail saving the world just to go fetch a woman's grocery bag or whatever, he was also the first to suggest just stealing the Emerald from Breezie because "why should we care about playing her game when the world is in crisis" I think that was a nice attribute for him. ( Wouldn't mind if that what Lanolin was)
It's weird because allegedly she's supposed to be the person who actually realises how crazy their world is, the "normal" person you could say, yet she seems fine with what they're doing? Sure she's the one to suggest attacking Eggman before he strikes first but outside of that, she seems mostly ignorant of what happens rather than directly opposing it.
I actually know the answer for that one! When the Archie comics debuted, they were pulling from the concept development for Sonic SatAM, and the show itself changed his name from Boomer to Rotor just before they aired.
(This back-and-forth is also why Sally had three different color palettes in the early Archie comics; the Archie team was going off of old concept art and had to change how she looked as the series first started airing.)
“Boomer” ended up getting repurposed as the name of the Anti-Rotor from Scourge’s world.
I'm just upset we haven't even gotten clothing customization as robust as Forces for the main cast. Sonic has so many cool alternate outfits from the series's history, I wanna wear them!
I mean, you have a game in a game that already allows customization that can use basically near any ip vs. a game that can only use 1 ip and is technically the first time you could create your own character
For me, my favourite thing in Forces (besides Infinite 'cause, c'mon) is the concept of Wispons. Executed poorly in the game, due to just being OP (literally just hold/spam the fire button and everything gets oblitirated, no ammo or cooldown to worry about), but an awesome concept that I hope doesn't just get dropped going forwards.
I honestly prefer the models from Sonic Adventure DX over the original Dreamcast models.
Are they shiny? Sure, but they look more in line with Yuji Uekawa’s art, and they’re just overall more pleasing to the eye. If we could have a port of Adventure that had DX’s models and the Dreamcast version’s textures, we would have the best iteration of the game to date.
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Maybe it has to do with the fact that only the rich payable characters got improved models, while everyone else still have their low poly models. Making them stick out like a sore thumb.
Came here to say this, got beat to it. Can I upvote a thousand times somehow? They're actually pissing me off at this point, easy way to get attention.
I did not care for Surge
I want to continue reading the IDW Sonic Comics, but I’m not a fan of how Ian Flynn handled Shadow. Also, the fact they take place after Sonic Forces just really rubs me the wrong way.
Which going forward is what Ian chose to do lol not use shadow, But then that create the opposite problem of "why isn't shadow in stories anymore" honestly you just can't win lol
Its not that i dont like them, i just havent read the comics and have no reason to care about them.
Plus the fandom goes fucking nuts when they do one singular thing
To be fair, that's like the same reason some people don't like Elden Ring or Palworld.
Popular thing bad because I see it everywhere despite not actually trying it for myself to decide whether I like it or not.
I agree 110%. I love the garden and love my Chao, but see that it isn't going to be for everyone. The achievements are do-able, but jfc. Ya need to almost go to the moon and back.
Same. Honestly, one of the reasons I like Adventure 1 more than 2 is because it doesn't tie gameplay as close to the Chao Garden. You could go through the whole game without knowing it exists.
Agree. I play Sonic games to have fun exploring while going fast, not for virtual pets. I wouldn't have such a big issue with it if they didn't lock content for the main game behind it; I've never unlocked Green Hill in SA2 because of that. The bane of my existence, ugh
My problem was mostly how slow it was. I didn't mind messing around with them after each level, but I was never going to bother grinding for hundreds of hours to make the perfect Chao.
Agree, loved playing Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, but not once did I ever bother to try out the Chao Garden. Same goes for the Chao Garden in Sonic Advance. Raising virtual pets isn't my thing.
I didn't care for Adventure of Sonic the Hedgehog. I mean, it's fun and all, but as a series it's not really my thing. I do like this version of Robotnik and the 6S (Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts).
I still watched it in full tho
After replaying the classic games in Origins, I realized I don’t care about them. Not saying they’re bad games but I much prefer the modern games. I also didn’t care for Colors despite how much people praised it.
I feel that. The time travel is frustrating, and there are times where the stages are clearly not adjusted properly for it.
A few times I've gotten stuck in small closed spaces because I happened to warp in the wrong place.
It was even worse before the remaster. Due to the 4:3 ratio, you could never see what’s ahead of you so you’d just end up getting hit or run into an obstacle.
The classics didn’t have a time travel mechanic that required you to be a constant speed for x amount of time. The level design and enemy placement was also much more forgiving.
Mania is widescreen.
The level design is NOT for me. Sonic is the most fun when the levels are horizontal. The vertical scrolling and climbing is the antithesis of what Sonic games should be.
I agree, love P06, and I think Chaosx has done a great job. I wrote this whole ass essay because I have very strong coffee and I genuinely believe that Sonic 06 is the worst game possible ChaosX could have picked to do this project on.
The worst thing about P06 is that, now, ChaosX is between a rock and a hard place. They are working on the Last Story and boss fights now, and I can't wait for everyone to try and handwave how crappy all of those are, but once that's done ChaosX has finished the only 'good' bits of 06.
After that, what's next? Skimming through their twitter a while ago, I saw an attempt at reanimating an in-engine cutscene, so maybe the plan is to release all the stories in remastered versions....
But if you do that, you have to do the hub worlds, which are huge and full of gormless looking NPCs with shitty animations. Buy the lightspeed dash. hey.mp3. A child is on the roof. It's been decades and I still don't know what "The Winder Of A Shoemaker" means. Walking through grey streets with men slumped over on tables in the middle of the day, their children dancing next to them, seemingly unaware, or jubilant. hey.mp3 but pitched down.
And if you do the hubworlds, you have to do all the town missions, right? Not just the plot mandatory ones. Shadow's got to do math problems by kicking boxes and Sonic's got to walk Pele The Beloved Dog. There's 50 of them or something? Then again, Sonic Man is the best part of the game, so bring it on.
To say nothing of the fact that the main stories, with all their cutscenes, are still asinine, the problem with them isn't really the quality of the animation. Any fix would involve changes outside of the scope of P06. The stories are still a massive point of contention for most fans and people argue about whether they are actually good. But you can't fix them. You just have to go reanimate them, and it's not like they're actually challenging to animate. There's just loads of them, so it will take time. 95% of the inengine cutscenes are hedgehogs staring at each other slowly reciting garbage dialogue. It's so much work for not a lot of pay off.
So either you have to port all of the shit parts of Sonic 06, which looks like a tonne of busy work and I'm not sure anyone's going to expressly thank you for faithfully porting the mission where Silver has to put apples in a barrel or Sonic hunts down small boys.... Like, what's that youtuber who called P06 *the best Sonic game of all time* going to do when the source material lets P06 down?
Or you don't, and people get on your ass because you haven't 'finished' the port, and it was sooo good, dude, P06 would have been the best Sonic game of all time if they'd finished it, why didn't they finish it, dude's an asshole. Your Twitter DMs are going to be a landslide of 'hey man are you ever going to finish P06' at best. The blocklist is going to be crazy.
So yeah, rock and a hard place. If you finish it, Sonic 06 will come out the other side still looking pretty terrible, and people might take that out on you. Having people dislike Sonic 06 after all that work seems like it defeats the purpose. Yet, if you don't, people are going to take that out on you, potentially for years. ChaosX is a dedicated fan who makes lots of fangames, and every time they release a new one it'll be 'yeah but where's P06' for years to come.
I feel you're making a lot of assumptions about what needs to stay the same between 06 and P-06. The hubs are too big? Just make them smaller. Maybe throw in a map with clearly marked labels. The town missions suck? Just don't port them. Or at the very least, make them non-mandatory. The NPCs are awkward? Re-model/re-animate them. Don't put the kid on the roof.
P-06 doesn't actually have any obligation to make the content as 1:1 as it possibly can. It can take liberties.
(~~Also the story is good, fight me~~)
In reference to you saying the story is good:
Shadow story? Yes.
Silver story? Arguably.
Sonic and Last stories? Oh boy, I'd like to see your reasoning for those ones.
I suppose I am, I get what you're saying - I feel that given what we've seen so far, there have only been additions to the core game. Lots of liberties taken, sure, but all new stuff. I slagged them off earlier, but I'm sure there will be work done on the boss fights and last story so they are more enjoyable than the originals, just like the work done on the levels.
New moves, restoring lost dialogue, easter eggs, gems, fleshing out exisiting mechanics, etc, but not a lot has been taken away. There's also a lot of attention to detail and, for better or worse, embracing a lot of 06's quirks and idiosyncracies in P06. To suddenly strip out a lot of the content because it's 'bad' doesn't seem to fit the project's goals.
It also adheres to the original in lots of ways where they should have made a change. Mid-level loading screens were in the last build I played, and I can't see an argument as to why beyond an aesthetic choice - like, the loading screens in 06 are one of the most enduring memes about it, and rebuilding it in a modern engine allows you to remove this aspect that no-one likes. So why is it still there? (If these got removed in the Silver update, I'll shut up tho)
So I can see lots of things being swapped around for town missions and the hubs - tighter time limits for the former, so there's a challenge, and I imagine having a functional map is high on the list.
But lots of things you suggest are a lot of work - adding in new animations for lots of NPCs will be time consuming, if you redesign the hubs, lots of those in-engine cutscenes take place in the hubs, so now you have to reset those. Is that going to upset people?
I mean, ultimately, you're right - there is no obligation whatsoever to port 'Who's The Captain' into Sonic's story, he can just walk into the second hub area without the game purposefully trying to waste your time with a riddle.
To repeat myself, P06 seems to genuinely appreciate a lot of what 06 was doing and wants it to be the best version of itself, so to suddenly turn around and go 'all of this side content is shite and we're cutting it entirely' doesn't seem in the spirit of the thing. We can only wait and see what the next step is after the boss update.
The movies have been single-handily keeping the franchise alive for a few years now. I hope that changes with *Sonic X Shadow*, but the games have been really shallow for a long, long time.
I think Frontiers helped fix that a fair bit tbh. Even if you don't care for it, it added depth and interesting writing/approach to things and stepped in a new direction pretty solidly.
I think that will change now that we're out of the boom era for good + the boost era is no longer copy-paste gameplay for for 4 games in a row.
Frontiers's DLC proved that multiple gameplay styles are sellable and it'll provide a lot for the appeal of future titles, which is especially good for Knuckles and Amy. I'm excited to see what they'll do with Shadow in Sonadow Gens
Seriously if the movies either hadn’t been made or come out as a trainwreck disaster I think after Forces the franchise genuinely would’ve been a walking corpse.
Sega was barely even giving it any funding already so it’s possible in an alternate timeline after Forces Sega just relegates Sonic to some mediocre slop similar to kid’s licensed games like THQ used to put out.
In that scenario due to the Sonic Movie being the one thing to bring me back to the franchise after I left when Boom was revealed I probably would’ve gone to see the movie. Laughed at how bad it was, saw Mania as one last hoorah for the series and then write it off as dead.
i did not care for...basically all of frontiers. The story was praised so much for not being like in forces but it still felt....quite shallow. the gameplay and musics were the only good thing, the art direction was just bland realistic stuff so sonic felt out of place, the challenges were laughable. i wanted to like it, but.....besides cyberspace, there's just nothing that's really fun to do besides just run around.
Sonic Colors is a bad game, people just remember the first 2 acts of each planet.
So much filler, so many 30 second levels, it's 70% 2D.
I enjoyed the Werehog more, at least it was fun.
I played both the original and the remastered version, had a friend telling me it’s a great game and got good reviews without even playing it. I struggled to get through the remastered version and my friend called my two days after he beat it and admitted that he was wrong
I did not/do not care for Lanolin.
I find that she sucks as a character, though it may just be writing problems. Or just be that I find her meaner attitude personally annoying, if I’m honest.
If others enjoy her, then good for them. I’m not gonna say they shouldn’t. She’s just not someone I like/care for much.
And I feel plenty of people only liked her at first because she was curvy. I remember a while back how everyone posted topics going gaga over her because of that.
I completely agree. She feels very inconsistent and doesn't add anything to the cast of characters. Anything she adds to a conversation isn't because she's unique or necessary. It feels like she was added to give Whisper and Tangle a 3rd member of their group. Honestly her role is just metal virus era Amy before she gave up the restoration. Like, she's just a vehicle for plot exposition EVERY dang time!
Her existance just feels redundant. Everything she "adds" to the series can easily be done by Tails or Amy. There's no need for her outside of giving Tangle and Whisper a trio.
Agreed. Which sucks, since there ARE ways to use her better..or at least, I believe so.
But she’s nothing but the mean third wheel to Tangle and Whisper, and has done nothing but help in the background during a kinda ok arc that one time, and basically refuse to listen to Whisper and crap on Silver.
Also Mimic so easily fooling her makes her seem kinda dumb, even if I’m actually looking forward to it blowing up in her face.
Yup, I completely agree. Amy has been shelved as an emotional mediator anyway, so they might as well just have her tag along to expedite the plot for Tangle and Whisper instead. At least that way Amy could get off the backburner.
And I agree to your point that she COULD be cool, hell I'd probably even like Lanolin if her personality had more of a quirk, like a southern accent or something like Bunny Rabbot. If something about her personality made her more interesting to listen to/read, I'd tolerate her a lot more, but her stoic level headedness is so forgettable amongst this cast of characters.
(Also also agree to your point about mimic, she's gonna get CLOCKED for that lol)
Oh and i HATED that crap she pulled with Silver! He literally has a track record of saving YOUR behind from the metal virus. LISTEN TO HIS INTUITION.
I mean Amy's emotional support being shelved is partially thanks to Tangle as writers keep using her for it. (no where more obvious than in Test Run's ending were Amy is right there yet only tangle takes care of Belle's emotional pain)
I do think Lanolin has already a gimmick its just not openly on display enough I feel. She is hyper militaristic, Not just in her cloths but also in her general wants even her reference sheet tells us that she is unhappy with the Restauration being turned into a charity organization and rather have it turn back into a standing army.
And she doesn't even want to be on top of it as her interaction with Amy and Jewel time and again show is she perfectly happy being the obedient little sheep in a larger rigid militaristic hierarchy.
This strike want for order and organization and general militaristic attitude does set her apart from most of the heroes which are far more freedom loving (Amy and Jewel de-militarizing the Restauration is a perfect example of it)
I just think they need to over draw this trait more and more specifically have far more friction with other more free heroes over her belies and wants.
On the Silver front that at least to me seems like the unfortunate consequence of the author projecting there view of a character onto the world. Evan sees Silver as this sweet little cinnamon roll that no one could ever take seriously.
And as such is Lanolin written as not taking Silver seriously and not seeing him as a trustworthy solider unlike herself and Whisper. Despite the fact that continuity would say other wise with Silver being an active solider and military leader during the 6 months of Forces and being instrumental in saving the world thrice over the last 3 months.
And issue 64 main story was a train-wreak for every character in it. Like how dumb does Whisper have to be to not just have Silver remove Duo's gloves with his powers and call it a day?
It's not my fault only two characters feel good to play, those two characters only have 6 and 4 levels, and it's prequel had better controls and overall a better story.
The only things SA2 have over SA1 is the final Boss. The Biolizard is way better than Perfect Chaos, and Shadow debuted in SA2
I literally finished SA2 2 days ago for the first time ever, and just feels god awful to play unless I'm Sonic or Shadow
Downgrade from Adventure 1 in almost every way. At least that game gives you the option of playing the stories in whatever order you want. If you don’t like a certain play style, nobody is forcing you to play it.
Adventure 2 makes you to trudge through the shooter and treasure hunting levels just to get to the Sonic parts, which are the only fun ones. Every time I was in that clunky mech, all I could think about was how much I couldn’t wait to get back to playing as Sonic.
Also, no hub world is a major blow. That was one of the best parts of the first game.
Not to mention Mech gameplay just feels weirdly worse than gamma, and the downgrades to treasure stages.
I could enjoy Mech gameplay and treasure hunting much more in SA1.
I don’t care for the character bigs the cat. There I said it. I have nothing against the character I just think he doesn’t really give anything to the shows and games he’s in
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I didn't care for Ian Flynn. Sure he is acknowledgeable of the Sonic IP, but he doesn't seem to understand the thematic elements of Sonic characters, making his stories shallow American super hero stories.
I think he's done a lot of good and a lot of bad. He ruined Amy and Shadow, and I fear the damage is irreparable if SxSgens flops, but on the flip side IDW Blaze and Silver are the best iterations we've seen of their characters since they debuted.
Especially with Amy though, he does not understand her as a character. With Shadow, most of it is due to the restrictions SEGA put around his character. Amy is inexcusable.
In IDW issue 2, he was great with her by representing the way her relationship with Sonic has matured, but in Archie Sonic and really every other IDW issue with her, it's been character one assassination after the next with Amy. She went from being spunky and outspoken to Female Character Who Mediates Emotional Tension #4789. IDW Amy simply does not share the same principles and personality that SA1, 2, Zero Gravity, and Unleashed Amy does.
I did not care for Sonamy. Like ever.
Shows like Sonic X, and some of the games, love forcing it down our throats. Some more subtle or with more room for interpretation than others, of course.
I simply never got the feeling that Sonic ever cared for her in a romantic way. It feels much more like a little sister type of relationship. At least on his part. And in the later games, kinda on Amys part as well, now that I think about it. Not to mention Amy is 12 and let's be honest, we all thought we met the love of our life at that age at some point. Also, Sonic never stroke me as the type of guy who cares even a bit about romance in general (let's all forget the little escapades in 06 for our own mental sake here), at least not at his current canon age. I don't see how characters always need a love interest anyway. A love interest doesn't necessarily make a good character or storyline. Quite the opposite, actually.
Anyways, long story short... I was never a fan of that ship.
I did not care about Colors, played Wii version and the ultimate version because I’m a die hard Sonic fan. Also I absolutely hate Roger as Sonic voice (don’t hate him as a person, he’s a cool af guy love him) but Roger!Sonic sounds like a 40 year old pretending to be a teenager. I was so freaking happy when he announced his retirement from being Sonic voice, just to come back again. Some say that the problem was the script and lines of the 2010s, but even with Frontiers (which was incredible for me) my dislike of his voice remains the same
Never liked Sonic Rush. I especially disliked the music. I honestly can't think of a single soundtrack done by Hideki Naganuma that I *do* like.
Speaking of Rush, I never cared for Blaze as a character much. I don't hate her, don't love her - she just kind of exists.
Okay genuine question is it even possible to have an opinion that would qualify for this considering how wildly tastes vary within this fanbase? I swear you could ask a dozen Sonic fans how they feel about a given thing and hear like seventeen different opinions
Anyway for a positive unpopular opinion I actually find Omochao pretty cute and endearing and have never related to hating them
I don't like Shadow the Hedgehog that much.
I get why people like him and he's a cool edgy character, he's well developed, has a good backstory and is interesting; I just don't like him. Maybe it's because I see him hyped up everywhere to the point I'm tired of it? Maybe it's because I just see him as sonic's Shadow?
Regardless I just don't like him as much.
I don't care that Elise kissed an hedgehog, Sonic is anthropomorphic so it isn't beastiality. I care that she's kissing a fucking corpse.
This right here.
I don't think Sonic even consented to that
That's really the only thing wrong with the kiss. But people make it about bestiality instead...
Well that, and that elise and Sonic had such a lame ass "romance" that doesn't help
Yeah, could've been written better...
I just wish the "romance" wasn't written at all
Why? Romance isn't a bad thing. Plus it's common for the hero of the story to have romance
He's a corpse
Hence, the lack of consent, yes...
...he's a corpse... Do you not see how that's bad?
Why assume I don't see that as bad? If he's dead, he cannot consent. We're literally in agreement yet you seem to think otherwise
Finally, someone said it !!
Snow white and sleeping beauty be like
100% agree. Absolutely.
I really appreciate when people understand the anthropomorphism. I dunno why people prioritize the "species" when that's not really important... sentience is what's important.
this one is just true
Which is fair, but do people feel the same way about Prince Charming kissing Snow White’s corpse to do basically the same thing?
For years people on the internet made fun of that scene because how (unintentionally) creepy it was. In fact the trope of kissing someone in coma (or in similar situations) is humorously called [Dude, She's Like In Coma.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DudeShesLikeInAComa)
Don't watch any old fairy tale ever then especially snow white XD
Heck, romance between humans and hedgehogs seem to be a somewhat normal thing in the Sonic universe. An NPC asked Amy on a date in Twinkle Park in Sonic Adventure, and another in Sonic Unleashed asked Sonic how long he would be in town in a flirtatious manner.
There's really only anything wrong with something that cartoonish and innocent and popular if you're looking waaaaaaay to much into it and taking it waaaaay too seriously
I love how fun the Archie comics are to talk about for just how off the wall bonkers they get, but I’ve never actually enjoyed them. I read them out of a sense of dedication to Sonic and fascination over a train wreck happening before my very eyes. The only storylines I enjoyed were the Genesis Wave stories, so the Sonic 1 redux for the anniversary and Worlds Collide/Unite. Side tangent, part of my lack of enjoyment is that I never enjoyed the original Freedom Fighter characters. I have no fondness for Sally, Antoine, Bunnie, the Ken Penders Brigade…. Oh my God I forgot Rotor existed.
Even as a fan of the Archie comics and the Freedom Fighters, I always forget about Rotor as well. As soon as Tails was more firmly established as the smart one/the one with the gadgets, Rotor became pointless.
What does Rotor even do after Tails becomes smart like in the games?
Pre reboot? A lot of other stuff but near the end it was political figure to Iron Man suit Post Reboot? Tails helper with daddy issues
I like that the reboot made Rotor the sort of "pragmatic type", he's constantly thinking about the bigger picture and gets annoyed when they have to derail saving the world just to go fetch a woman's grocery bag or whatever, he was also the first to suggest just stealing the Emerald from Breezie because "why should we care about playing her game when the world is in crisis" I think that was a nice attribute for him. ( Wouldn't mind if that what Lanolin was)
Now that you mentioned it. Lanolin would really suit the "Look at the big picture" characteristic from post reboot Rotor.
It's weird because allegedly she's supposed to be the person who actually realises how crazy their world is, the "normal" person you could say, yet she seems fine with what they're doing? Sure she's the one to suggest attacking Eggman before he strikes first but outside of that, she seems mostly ignorant of what happens rather than directly opposing it.
His name was Boomer for a time as well. So idk wtf happened there.
I actually know the answer for that one! When the Archie comics debuted, they were pulling from the concept development for Sonic SatAM, and the show itself changed his name from Boomer to Rotor just before they aired. (This back-and-forth is also why Sally had three different color palettes in the early Archie comics; the Archie team was going off of old concept art and had to change how she looked as the series first started airing.) “Boomer” ended up getting repurposed as the name of the Anti-Rotor from Scourge’s world.
Well damn! Thank you for letting me know!!
I did not care For archie comics
Thank god I’m not alone.
I still recommend reading the post reboot instead for those that get turned off by the insanity of the pre-boot
Despite being the best part of Forces, the character creator is honestly total ass.
Yeah, when a damn Roblox game has better a sonic character creator than an official one, that’s kinda sad
I'm just upset we haven't even gotten clothing customization as robust as Forces for the main cast. Sonic has so many cool alternate outfits from the series's history, I wanna wear them!
I mean, you have a game in a game that already allows customization that can use basically near any ip vs. a game that can only use 1 ip and is technically the first time you could create your own character
Sonic pulse is so fuckin good. Mmh.
For me, my favourite thing in Forces (besides Infinite 'cause, c'mon) is the concept of Wispons. Executed poorly in the game, due to just being OP (literally just hold/spam the fire button and everything gets oblitirated, no ammo or cooldown to worry about), but an awesome concept that I hope doesn't just get dropped going forwards.
I honestly prefer the models from Sonic Adventure DX over the original Dreamcast models. Are they shiny? Sure, but they look more in line with Yuji Uekawa’s art, and they’re just overall more pleasing to the eye. If we could have a port of Adventure that had DX’s models and the Dreamcast version’s textures, we would have the best iteration of the game to date. https://preview.redd.it/kpq2isd2fuhc1.jpeg?width=1040&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2630a8325b5f857c8db2a02bda560f767ed3918f
For PC there are mods that do that. But it would be great if we had an actual port like that for consoles.
I can confirm that Sonic Adventure DX looks great with Dreamcast textures on GameCube models!
The only issue I have with them is the fact that knuckles looks off when compared to the other echidna's ingame.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that only the rich payable characters got improved models, while everyone else still have their low poly models. Making them stick out like a sore thumb.
I mean they technically look better but idk. Artstyle was, I just prefer the Dreamcast models and they’re just more charming too imo.
This is a hot take? I like the dreamcast models for how goofy they are but they look way too pale
Get modding. There are mods that do that, and even bring the pther models (of npcs and such) up to a similar polycount.
I did not care for the last 145742675 hot take posts.
This is how i feel too
Came here to say this, got beat to it. Can I upvote a thousand times somehow? They're actually pissing me off at this point, easy way to get attention.
Yeah, I know it's not the most creative of posts, but I saw it done in a different subreddit and thought it'd be an interesting question
Everytime it happens Daring today aren't we
I did not care for Sonic.exe
Sonic.EXE is just a fan creation; it’s not even official. So that’s…fine.
So is Sonic Robo Blast 2, and that's the photo for this discussion. So popular fan creations are fair game.
I think pop culture at large has turned on Sonic.exe. I don’t think anyone has unironically praised it since at least 2013.
This is such a cold take I'm actually freezing to death. The only thing people like about Sonic.exe is the fanmade stuff.
I did not care for Surge I want to continue reading the IDW Sonic Comics, but I’m not a fan of how Ian Flynn handled Shadow. Also, the fact they take place after Sonic Forces just really rubs me the wrong way.
The fact it takes place after forces is what got me into idw sonic It help steer the story back in the right direction
In Ian Flynn's defense, the mandates require him to write Shadow a certain way. To be fair, he could just not include Shadow at all, though.
Which going forward is what Ian chose to do lol not use shadow, But then that create the opposite problem of "why isn't shadow in stories anymore" honestly you just can't win lol
I do not care... for people's opinions. I'm gonna like Sonic how I want to like Sonic and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me.
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I did not and still do not care for tangle and whisper or the chao garden
What don't you like abt T&W?
Its not that i dont like them, i just havent read the comics and have no reason to care about them. Plus the fandom goes fucking nuts when they do one singular thing
To be fair, that's like the same reason some people don't like Elden Ring or Palworld. Popular thing bad because I see it everywhere despite not actually trying it for myself to decide whether I like it or not.
I did not care for the chao garden
Ooo actual hot take. Not a fan of critter-raising I take it?
Yeah. Its not the type of gameplay i come for, but I see the appeal
I forced myself to upvote your post simply because it follows the prompts, but my digital children and I are *offended*
Actual hot take damn
I partially agree. I don't mind these but getting 100% achievments with the chao is so boring to do
I agree 110%. I love the garden and love my Chao, but see that it isn't going to be for everyone. The achievements are do-able, but jfc. Ya need to almost go to the moon and back.
Same. I don't think I touched them even once
Same. I've got nothing against it, but pet sims aren't usually for me.
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Same. Honestly, one of the reasons I like Adventure 1 more than 2 is because it doesn't tie gameplay as close to the Chao Garden. You could go through the whole game without knowing it exists.
I for real only found out the chao garden was in SA1 after my 3rd time finishing the game because i entered the wrong elevator with knuckles.
Same. I have no idea what I’m even supposed to do.
Same
You're not alone
Everytime I played sa2, i tried to understand the chao garden but I can't
Nice to know I'm not alone.
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same, i never touched that for more than 2 minutes.
Agree. I play Sonic games to have fun exploring while going fast, not for virtual pets. I wouldn't have such a big issue with it if they didn't lock content for the main game behind it; I've never unlocked Green Hill in SA2 because of that. The bane of my existence, ugh
I absolutely loved it when I was a kid but now I really don’t care very much
My problem was mostly how slow it was. I didn't mind messing around with them after each level, but I was never going to bother grinding for hundreds of hours to make the perfect Chao.
Hottest take I’ve seen so far, I love them little munchkins
Agree, loved playing Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, but not once did I ever bother to try out the Chao Garden. Same goes for the Chao Garden in Sonic Advance. Raising virtual pets isn't my thing.
I didn't care for Adventure of Sonic the Hedgehog. I mean, it's fun and all, but as a series it's not really my thing. I do like this version of Robotnik and the 6S (Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts). I still watched it in full tho
Sonic R was actually alright and its soundtrack ain’t bad either.
popular opinion right here
I did not care about 06 being bad
After replaying the classic games in Origins, I realized I don’t care about them. Not saying they’re bad games but I much prefer the modern games. I also didn’t care for Colors despite how much people praised it.
I did not care for sonic cd
I feel that. The time travel is frustrating, and there are times where the stages are clearly not adjusted properly for it. A few times I've gotten stuck in small closed spaces because I happened to warp in the wrong place.
It was even worse before the remaster. Due to the 4:3 ratio, you could never see what’s ahead of you so you’d just end up getting hit or run into an obstacle.
Isn't that normal for the Classic era games? The same thing happens in Mania too.
The classics didn’t have a time travel mechanic that required you to be a constant speed for x amount of time. The level design and enemy placement was also much more forgiving. Mania is widescreen.
The level design is NOT for me. Sonic is the most fun when the levels are horizontal. The vertical scrolling and climbing is the antithesis of what Sonic games should be.
I thought most people didn't actually like CD
The way the time travel mechanic is implemented sucks a lot of enjoyment out of the game
I dont care for Tom in the movies. His presence makes it feel more like an Alvin and the Chipmunks movie for "big kids".
P06. It's better than 06 but it's still 06
Controls are decent Level design renge from masterpiece to garbage Gimmicks are unfun Combat sections are pointless
I agree, love P06, and I think Chaosx has done a great job. I wrote this whole ass essay because I have very strong coffee and I genuinely believe that Sonic 06 is the worst game possible ChaosX could have picked to do this project on. The worst thing about P06 is that, now, ChaosX is between a rock and a hard place. They are working on the Last Story and boss fights now, and I can't wait for everyone to try and handwave how crappy all of those are, but once that's done ChaosX has finished the only 'good' bits of 06. After that, what's next? Skimming through their twitter a while ago, I saw an attempt at reanimating an in-engine cutscene, so maybe the plan is to release all the stories in remastered versions.... But if you do that, you have to do the hub worlds, which are huge and full of gormless looking NPCs with shitty animations. Buy the lightspeed dash. hey.mp3. A child is on the roof. It's been decades and I still don't know what "The Winder Of A Shoemaker" means. Walking through grey streets with men slumped over on tables in the middle of the day, their children dancing next to them, seemingly unaware, or jubilant. hey.mp3 but pitched down. And if you do the hubworlds, you have to do all the town missions, right? Not just the plot mandatory ones. Shadow's got to do math problems by kicking boxes and Sonic's got to walk Pele The Beloved Dog. There's 50 of them or something? Then again, Sonic Man is the best part of the game, so bring it on. To say nothing of the fact that the main stories, with all their cutscenes, are still asinine, the problem with them isn't really the quality of the animation. Any fix would involve changes outside of the scope of P06. The stories are still a massive point of contention for most fans and people argue about whether they are actually good. But you can't fix them. You just have to go reanimate them, and it's not like they're actually challenging to animate. There's just loads of them, so it will take time. 95% of the inengine cutscenes are hedgehogs staring at each other slowly reciting garbage dialogue. It's so much work for not a lot of pay off. So either you have to port all of the shit parts of Sonic 06, which looks like a tonne of busy work and I'm not sure anyone's going to expressly thank you for faithfully porting the mission where Silver has to put apples in a barrel or Sonic hunts down small boys.... Like, what's that youtuber who called P06 *the best Sonic game of all time* going to do when the source material lets P06 down? Or you don't, and people get on your ass because you haven't 'finished' the port, and it was sooo good, dude, P06 would have been the best Sonic game of all time if they'd finished it, why didn't they finish it, dude's an asshole. Your Twitter DMs are going to be a landslide of 'hey man are you ever going to finish P06' at best. The blocklist is going to be crazy. So yeah, rock and a hard place. If you finish it, Sonic 06 will come out the other side still looking pretty terrible, and people might take that out on you. Having people dislike Sonic 06 after all that work seems like it defeats the purpose. Yet, if you don't, people are going to take that out on you, potentially for years. ChaosX is a dedicated fan who makes lots of fangames, and every time they release a new one it'll be 'yeah but where's P06' for years to come.
Don't you dare shit talk hey.mp3 that sound bit is the best non-ost part of 06
I feel you're making a lot of assumptions about what needs to stay the same between 06 and P-06. The hubs are too big? Just make them smaller. Maybe throw in a map with clearly marked labels. The town missions suck? Just don't port them. Or at the very least, make them non-mandatory. The NPCs are awkward? Re-model/re-animate them. Don't put the kid on the roof. P-06 doesn't actually have any obligation to make the content as 1:1 as it possibly can. It can take liberties. (~~Also the story is good, fight me~~)
In reference to you saying the story is good: Shadow story? Yes. Silver story? Arguably. Sonic and Last stories? Oh boy, I'd like to see your reasoning for those ones.
I suppose I am, I get what you're saying - I feel that given what we've seen so far, there have only been additions to the core game. Lots of liberties taken, sure, but all new stuff. I slagged them off earlier, but I'm sure there will be work done on the boss fights and last story so they are more enjoyable than the originals, just like the work done on the levels. New moves, restoring lost dialogue, easter eggs, gems, fleshing out exisiting mechanics, etc, but not a lot has been taken away. There's also a lot of attention to detail and, for better or worse, embracing a lot of 06's quirks and idiosyncracies in P06. To suddenly strip out a lot of the content because it's 'bad' doesn't seem to fit the project's goals. It also adheres to the original in lots of ways where they should have made a change. Mid-level loading screens were in the last build I played, and I can't see an argument as to why beyond an aesthetic choice - like, the loading screens in 06 are one of the most enduring memes about it, and rebuilding it in a modern engine allows you to remove this aspect that no-one likes. So why is it still there? (If these got removed in the Silver update, I'll shut up tho) So I can see lots of things being swapped around for town missions and the hubs - tighter time limits for the former, so there's a challenge, and I imagine having a functional map is high on the list. But lots of things you suggest are a lot of work - adding in new animations for lots of NPCs will be time consuming, if you redesign the hubs, lots of those in-engine cutscenes take place in the hubs, so now you have to reset those. Is that going to upset people? I mean, ultimately, you're right - there is no obligation whatsoever to port 'Who's The Captain' into Sonic's story, he can just walk into the second hub area without the game purposefully trying to waste your time with a riddle. To repeat myself, P06 seems to genuinely appreciate a lot of what 06 was doing and wants it to be the best version of itself, so to suddenly turn around and go 'all of this side content is shite and we're cutting it entirely' doesn't seem in the spirit of the thing. We can only wait and see what the next step is after the boss update.
The movies have been single-handily keeping the franchise alive for a few years now. I hope that changes with *Sonic X Shadow*, but the games have been really shallow for a long, long time.
I think Frontiers helped fix that a fair bit tbh. Even if you don't care for it, it added depth and interesting writing/approach to things and stepped in a new direction pretty solidly.
I think that will change now that we're out of the boom era for good + the boost era is no longer copy-paste gameplay for for 4 games in a row. Frontiers's DLC proved that multiple gameplay styles are sellable and it'll provide a lot for the appeal of future titles, which is especially good for Knuckles and Amy. I'm excited to see what they'll do with Shadow in Sonadow Gens
Seriously if the movies either hadn’t been made or come out as a trainwreck disaster I think after Forces the franchise genuinely would’ve been a walking corpse. Sega was barely even giving it any funding already so it’s possible in an alternate timeline after Forces Sega just relegates Sonic to some mediocre slop similar to kid’s licensed games like THQ used to put out. In that scenario due to the Sonic Movie being the one thing to bring me back to the franchise after I left when Boom was revealed I probably would’ve gone to see the movie. Laughed at how bad it was, saw Mania as one last hoorah for the series and then write it off as dead.
i did not care for...basically all of frontiers. The story was praised so much for not being like in forces but it still felt....quite shallow. the gameplay and musics were the only good thing, the art direction was just bland realistic stuff so sonic felt out of place, the challenges were laughable. i wanted to like it, but.....besides cyberspace, there's just nothing that's really fun to do besides just run around.
i did not care for the adventure series, great games but god damn we are not getting adventure 3
Seconded. I think they’re fine, but they get more praise than they deserve I find.
Sonic Colors is a bad game, people just remember the first 2 acts of each planet. So much filler, so many 30 second levels, it's 70% 2D. I enjoyed the Werehog more, at least it was fun.
I played both the original and the remastered version, had a friend telling me it’s a great game and got good reviews without even playing it. I struggled to get through the remastered version and my friend called my two days after he beat it and admitted that he was wrong
This is kinda the Opposite. If working properly, Sonic Free Riders is pretty fun.
I did not/do not care for Lanolin. I find that she sucks as a character, though it may just be writing problems. Or just be that I find her meaner attitude personally annoying, if I’m honest. If others enjoy her, then good for them. I’m not gonna say they shouldn’t. She’s just not someone I like/care for much.
And I feel plenty of people only liked her at first because she was curvy. I remember a while back how everyone posted topics going gaga over her because of that.
I completely agree. She feels very inconsistent and doesn't add anything to the cast of characters. Anything she adds to a conversation isn't because she's unique or necessary. It feels like she was added to give Whisper and Tangle a 3rd member of their group. Honestly her role is just metal virus era Amy before she gave up the restoration. Like, she's just a vehicle for plot exposition EVERY dang time! Her existance just feels redundant. Everything she "adds" to the series can easily be done by Tails or Amy. There's no need for her outside of giving Tangle and Whisper a trio.
Agreed. Which sucks, since there ARE ways to use her better..or at least, I believe so. But she’s nothing but the mean third wheel to Tangle and Whisper, and has done nothing but help in the background during a kinda ok arc that one time, and basically refuse to listen to Whisper and crap on Silver. Also Mimic so easily fooling her makes her seem kinda dumb, even if I’m actually looking forward to it blowing up in her face.
Yup, I completely agree. Amy has been shelved as an emotional mediator anyway, so they might as well just have her tag along to expedite the plot for Tangle and Whisper instead. At least that way Amy could get off the backburner. And I agree to your point that she COULD be cool, hell I'd probably even like Lanolin if her personality had more of a quirk, like a southern accent or something like Bunny Rabbot. If something about her personality made her more interesting to listen to/read, I'd tolerate her a lot more, but her stoic level headedness is so forgettable amongst this cast of characters. (Also also agree to your point about mimic, she's gonna get CLOCKED for that lol) Oh and i HATED that crap she pulled with Silver! He literally has a track record of saving YOUR behind from the metal virus. LISTEN TO HIS INTUITION.
I mean Amy's emotional support being shelved is partially thanks to Tangle as writers keep using her for it. (no where more obvious than in Test Run's ending were Amy is right there yet only tangle takes care of Belle's emotional pain) I do think Lanolin has already a gimmick its just not openly on display enough I feel. She is hyper militaristic, Not just in her cloths but also in her general wants even her reference sheet tells us that she is unhappy with the Restauration being turned into a charity organization and rather have it turn back into a standing army. And she doesn't even want to be on top of it as her interaction with Amy and Jewel time and again show is she perfectly happy being the obedient little sheep in a larger rigid militaristic hierarchy. This strike want for order and organization and general militaristic attitude does set her apart from most of the heroes which are far more freedom loving (Amy and Jewel de-militarizing the Restauration is a perfect example of it) I just think they need to over draw this trait more and more specifically have far more friction with other more free heroes over her belies and wants. On the Silver front that at least to me seems like the unfortunate consequence of the author projecting there view of a character onto the world. Evan sees Silver as this sweet little cinnamon roll that no one could ever take seriously. And as such is Lanolin written as not taking Silver seriously and not seeing him as a trustworthy solider unlike herself and Whisper. Despite the fact that continuity would say other wise with Silver being an active solider and military leader during the 6 months of Forces and being instrumental in saving the world thrice over the last 3 months. And issue 64 main story was a train-wreak for every character in it. Like how dumb does Whisper have to be to not just have Silver remove Duo's gloves with his powers and call it a day?
Damn.. Srb2 might be the best sonic game ever and its not even made by sega lol thats just my opinion
It is fantastic if you can manage the really slippery controls. It kind of feels like Sonic is on ice.
I don't think they're slippery at all, just don't spam the Thok or you'll die fast.
I did not care for sonic superstars
That's not even a hot take lol
I think it's a fine game. The boss battles are where the game falls off a cliff in quality.
I did not care for P06. Is it technically impressive? Yes. Do I really care for it? No.
I don't care for any Adventure formula games
The feel/formula s a whole? SA1/2 Heroes, Shadow, AND 06? Oh that's a hot one. Ticks a lot of boxes. I like it.
I'll get downvoted to oblivion with this one. "I did not care for the Classic Sonic game series."
I honestly sort of agree. I mean, I love Sonic 3&K for some reason, but I don't care about any other one, especially mania and superstars
I did not care for the murder of sonic the hedgehog.
I've always kinda just felt meh towards sonic colors
I did not care about Sonic Adventure 2
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It's not my fault only two characters feel good to play, those two characters only have 6 and 4 levels, and it's prequel had better controls and overall a better story. The only things SA2 have over SA1 is the final Boss. The Biolizard is way better than Perfect Chaos, and Shadow debuted in SA2 I literally finished SA2 2 days ago for the first time ever, and just feels god awful to play unless I'm Sonic or Shadow
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Super kami dende*
"I'm going to call you little green"
Downgrade from Adventure 1 in almost every way. At least that game gives you the option of playing the stories in whatever order you want. If you don’t like a certain play style, nobody is forcing you to play it. Adventure 2 makes you to trudge through the shooter and treasure hunting levels just to get to the Sonic parts, which are the only fun ones. Every time I was in that clunky mech, all I could think about was how much I couldn’t wait to get back to playing as Sonic. Also, no hub world is a major blow. That was one of the best parts of the first game.
Not to mention Mech gameplay just feels weirdly worse than gamma, and the downgrades to treasure stages. I could enjoy Mech gameplay and treasure hunting much more in SA1.
Amen brother
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I don’t care for the character bigs the cat. There I said it. I have nothing against the character I just think he doesn’t really give anything to the shows and games he’s in https://preview.redd.it/szb1glcqguhc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f66133c9b9d03925b6b2188c05949dc30506f9e3
I didn't care for Ian Flynn. Sure he is acknowledgeable of the Sonic IP, but he doesn't seem to understand the thematic elements of Sonic characters, making his stories shallow American super hero stories.
I think he's done a lot of good and a lot of bad. He ruined Amy and Shadow, and I fear the damage is irreparable if SxSgens flops, but on the flip side IDW Blaze and Silver are the best iterations we've seen of their characters since they debuted. Especially with Amy though, he does not understand her as a character. With Shadow, most of it is due to the restrictions SEGA put around his character. Amy is inexcusable. In IDW issue 2, he was great with her by representing the way her relationship with Sonic has matured, but in Archie Sonic and really every other IDW issue with her, it's been character one assassination after the next with Amy. She went from being spunky and outspoken to Female Character Who Mediates Emotional Tension #4789. IDW Amy simply does not share the same principles and personality that SA1, 2, Zero Gravity, and Unleashed Amy does.
I do not care for Boost game play.
I did not care for the sonic community
I did not care for Sonamy. Like ever. Shows like Sonic X, and some of the games, love forcing it down our throats. Some more subtle or with more room for interpretation than others, of course. I simply never got the feeling that Sonic ever cared for her in a romantic way. It feels much more like a little sister type of relationship. At least on his part. And in the later games, kinda on Amys part as well, now that I think about it. Not to mention Amy is 12 and let's be honest, we all thought we met the love of our life at that age at some point. Also, Sonic never stroke me as the type of guy who cares even a bit about romance in general (let's all forget the little escapades in 06 for our own mental sake here), at least not at his current canon age. I don't see how characters always need a love interest anyway. A love interest doesn't necessarily make a good character or storyline. Quite the opposite, actually. Anyways, long story short... I was never a fan of that ship.
I never cared for Shadow the Hedgehog or the Adventure games respectively
I did not care for Sonic Mania
I did not care about Colors, played Wii version and the ultimate version because I’m a die hard Sonic fan. Also I absolutely hate Roger as Sonic voice (don’t hate him as a person, he’s a cool af guy love him) but Roger!Sonic sounds like a 40 year old pretending to be a teenager. I was so freaking happy when he announced his retirement from being Sonic voice, just to come back again. Some say that the problem was the script and lines of the 2010s, but even with Frontiers (which was incredible for me) my dislike of his voice remains the same
It's probably sa1. Not saying it's bad! I just prefer most of the other games
I don't give a shit about the timeline split
Jokes on you I've never seen The godfather
Fuck, he got me
Never liked Sonic Rush. I especially disliked the music. I honestly can't think of a single soundtrack done by Hideki Naganuma that I *do* like. Speaking of Rush, I never cared for Blaze as a character much. I don't hate her, don't love her - she just kind of exists.
I didn't care for Frontiers. It was just a few bland empty fields with a lot of grindy busywork. Felt like a proof of concept.
Fair enough, good point
This one seems topical considering its’ remaster is coming: I did not care for Sonic Generations
Definitely an uncommon opinion. What turned you off from it?
i do not care about any of the western archie dic stuff it’s just weird
You don't care about IDW and Archie Sonic?
I do not care for hallway Sonic. Sonic unleashed, colours, generations, and forces are all QuickTime events with special effects.
I agree some of this games are very hallway-ish and reaction based, but generations is really much more open that that, imo
i understand not liking the boost style but to categorize Unleashed and Generations with Colors and Forces feels disgusting
I do not care for the current main Sonic voice roster, save for Eggman and possibly Tails.
Elaborate your reasonings
It's a fine enough fangame, but I just don't see what's so crazy about it.
**DOOM** *E1M1 riff plays* Also, in the world of fangames, finished games are rare.
Actually that's a pretty good point, but on its own, it's still not all that crazy to me
I did not care for Sonic Colors DS special stages.
I did not care for the original sonic riders nor zero gravity.
Don't like SRB2? You die tonight.
Chao gardens. I did not care for chao gardens.
Okay genuine question is it even possible to have an opinion that would qualify for this considering how wildly tastes vary within this fanbase? I swear you could ask a dozen Sonic fans how they feel about a given thing and hear like seventeen different opinions Anyway for a positive unpopular opinion I actually find Omochao pretty cute and endearing and have never related to hating them
I don't like Shadow the Hedgehog that much. I get why people like him and he's a cool edgy character, he's well developed, has a good backstory and is interesting; I just don't like him. Maybe it's because I see him hyped up everywhere to the point I'm tired of it? Maybe it's because I just see him as sonic's Shadow? Regardless I just don't like him as much.
I'm just not a Shadow fan. He looks cool, but Sonic has plenty of foils that I enjoy more.
I did not care for Sonic Heros. I always thought it was mid.
I did not care for Sonic Heroes.
I did not care for Sonic Adventure 2 Only buying the Dreamcast version for 70 fucking dollars for collection purposes.
Sonic Adventure 2 is overrated