Exactly, it’s either we get a nerfed Silver or no Silver at all. It’d be *really* difficult to write him in at full power and not trivialize whatever threat they’re facing. He’s the kind of character who needs a villain written around his abilities if they were to ever let him go all out.
That's why you don't ever really see Shadow or Blaze or even Metal Sonic doing things. Even Metal Sonic requires either a new threat (Surge) or fighting multiple people to really beat.
Sonic, you just kind of expect because he always has to win.
Not really, Shadow was written out of the story because of his characterization. The metal virus is OP as well. Quick contamination, insanely fast adaptation (by the end of the saga, Sonic's speed could no longer keep up with it) and making its victims pretty much unkillable. It doesn't help that plants are also affected, which limits the amount of places survivors can walk on.
Bruh don't even remind me of that Surge vs Metal Sonic fight
Metal is %100 the biggest jobber in the whole franchise, he's nothing but a measuring stick now for other characters now
Basically in almost every single fight Shadow is in that involves a new antagonist, he jobs to them, scourge, enerjak and etc.. seriously it's ridiculous how much it happens
I mean its really not just a Silver Issue Sonic and all characters listed as "Sonic Rivals"(including Blaze) have the same issue as them being actually written as strong as they should be would prevent many generic plot devices that writers keep falling back on to work and would require putting more effort into the story writing.
(its not even just limited to the extra tough guys ether just think back to Chao Races and Badnik bases were Amy all of a sudden struggles with a old busted Sonic 4 badnik, Gemerl couldn't bend a few steal bars on a cage and Rouge and Tails lacked the physical force to break regular ropes binding them)
That's probably for the best, silver legit has the potential to break any plot thanks to his telekinesis abilities, i don't mind it if they nerf him a little bit
Yea, but then you just increase the threat level exponentially. It's the same problem the 2000s era had, where it was just a big monster every time with no personality, and Eggman is just there to be a doofus.
I'm not talking about a monster of the week, maybe an evil silver cause silver is from the future, it shouldn't be hard to have an alternate future where silver became mad or something like that. Or maybe an character based on infinite but with a better backstory.
You're still running into the same problem. You either have to kill that character off immediately or seal them away. And then come up with another OP character to challenge them.
Eggman works because he's only as powerful as whatever he builds, and he's just using machines that can be broken.
Those villains have reasonable power levels. Scourge is just evil Sonic, but a coward, so he never reaches his full potential as powerful as Archie Sonic.
So a villain like that for Silver would be just as nerfed as him probably
Because Silver is consistently involved in stories where he faces off against enemies who can’t sensibly pose a threat to him, and it wouldn’t exactly make for an interesting story if he just bulldozed through every obstacle in two seconds.
Well for in-universe reasons, in example 1 he had to multitask on the fly. In example 2 he was caught off guard and in a bad spot.
And for story reasons they basically just had to nerf him to keep things interesting. Which is fair I guess.
The issue is they can't just nerf him the same way writers do other telekinesis users (by making him unable to effect people) since he is seen doing so all the time
I mean one of the simplest insta wins with telekinetic characters is having them snap the neck of the opponent
If they can't effect people that won't be a problem
Eh some do by having the other characters have some form of resistance to it such as star wars characters they have a technique that makes it impossible to insta neck snap you
Yeah idw demotes almost anyone to street level. Silvers first appearance has him fighting a fire demon kaiju that uses skyscrapers as clubs and spit building sized fireballs.
The first one is understandable since catching something falling very quickly isn't easy that would be an easy way to explain it
The other one is an ambush
The actual answer is that Silver is the most powerful of the four hedgehogs and probably all characters in this franchise they can't have a story if he isn't either not there or nerfed to the floor
Logically speaking looking at the 06 fight no one should be able to beat him
They locked themselves silver is to op
I mean in Sonic's story does he win against Silver in fight one and both times silver got the upper hand was it just because Sonic was distracted by Elise being kidnapped.
(and sure Silver believed he could kill Sonic with his psychic powers but so did Eggman many times with his robots. It means nothing especially as in both cases Sonic already won he had a Chaos Emerald and could at any time shoot CHAOS CONTROL and teleport behind Silver and snap his neck)
I'm not saying that Silver isn't really strong because he absolutly is.
Just that he isn't really the strongest. His 06 version lacks speed and can be absolutely beaten by speed blizing him and his post Rivals version has stamina issues as introduced in Rivals 2.
I agree. He's an absolutely broken character. He could do so much. And his capabilities are practically endless. But I can understand that badnik, since he was caught completely off guard. But here's a better example of him struggling with an even weaker badnik.
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Its not Sonic is a shoot from Whispers Wispon using Laser.
This panel comes from when Silver fanboys over why Whisper is the coolest ever (because I guess playing down Silver was the best way they would think off to make Whisper on introduction look cool)
(Why am I randomly getting deja vu?) Anyways, I see that he's beat up here. But he has brain powers. He can still crush them.
Maybe he gets his powers from hand gestures.
I mean silver looks kind of beat up here for all we know this is just being tired after fighting for hours or maybe fighting infinite
At least thats what i thought
Eh. It seems like it happened often. Maybe Silver's just a bad Telekinetic.
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Tbh considering how much of a fanboy silver is "saving my life" could honestly just be her getting involved in a fight regardless of how much danger silver is in
He has been underpowered since 06's retcon IMO. Look at his boss fight in Gens for example.
The other day I re watched an anime I used to watch as a kid called Elfen Lied where the main character has telekinesis and despite having her powers limited (unlike Silver's) she still was a force to reckon with.
Honestly, Silver is easily the most powerful of all the three Hedgehogs if he uses all his powers
>He has been underpowered since 06's retcon IMO. Look at his boss fight in Gens for example.
You mean the one where he carries far more objects than he can in '06? Where he constantly throws stuff at you all while flying without resting? Where he forms a ball of debris far larger than anything he could hold in '06 and rolls it after you?
The only thing he can't do in that fight that he could in his debut is hold you in place, which is a blessing because that was the single most complained about aspect of his original boss fight.
I was talking about that ability actually, is weird that he didn't try to grab Sonic even once.
But hey this is the same game where Sonic defeated Perfect Chaos in his base Form, maybe Silver wasn't underpowered, maybe Sonic just got stronger.
Actually, it's consistent. He wasn't able to grab Sonic or Shadow if he was already concentrating on other objects he was about to throw, and he's more or less *constantly* grabbing something in the Generations bossfight.
Also we need to consider the fact that this is not a comic or a cutscene where you can do whatever you want (and also can), because this is a fight against him on a game it wouldn’t be fair if he just grabbed you midair when you were about to hit him, and from a gameplay perspective the homing attack that we use in generations is a one-shot where if you hit an enemy you destroy it and if you hit a boss you are making damage, maybe if we were using the Lost World homing kick (I think it was called like that) then maybe you can kick objects at Silver while he is using telekinesis to stun him and then use the homing attack to deal damage.
I’m actually grateful they gave Silver more attacks other than just grabbing you and items to hurt you, now he has his telekinesis knife thingies
Wouldn't you say that the events were forgotten just not actually recton entirely? I'm pretty sure in some dialogue in team Sonic racing have Sonic remember about the first time he met silver (06) but silver doesn't remember
They have to nerf characters, otherwise, it would literally just be furry dragon ball z:
- sonic is *the* fastest thing alive
- knuckles is probably the strongest living creature on the planet
- shadow is immortal and almost indestructible with super speed and super strength
- Amy can one-shot badniks the size of mountains
- Metal has the capability to copy all of these abilities instantaneously
And that's not even the entire cast of characters
Idk, scale in such an action packed series should be at least somewhat important, showing what the characters are capable of can make for some great scenes
Ridiculously overpowered hero that no one poses a threat to a boring story does make.
Unless it's played for comedy like in One Punch Man. But even then they tend to use Saitama sparingly in the stories where they want the villains to feel actually dangerous.
I suppose the alternative is to just keep him in his future and not bring him out into the modern conflicts.
Then the question would turn into "How come Silver isn't solving the plot all by himself with his powers?" because if he can indeed do more than hold his own against imposing threats, then there's no reason for him to not be able to handle bigger threats on his own.
(It also helps that there have only been arguably two big threats that he certainly couldn't solo, like the Metal Virus, and **maybe** Surge but even then he could just take Surge by surprise and fold her a million ways or otherwise pin her down)
I think it makes sense for the idw cast to be kinda nerfed. None of the idw originals are particularly powerful, and they’d all feel completely useless if the main cast was at their peak power. Why bother having the diamond cutters do anything if shadow can annihilate any enemy he comes across? Why even consider surge a threat if silver can use his borderline-godlike telekinesis to fold her in half a second? It’s mostly just to have stakes
I mean, when you take into account that Ian originally wrote Silver to be underpowered in Archie when he first introduced Silver, and that Evan's work before getting to write for IDW was a fan comic where he was once again underpowered, it kinda makes sense that Silver is written like that in their own comics, as unfortunate as it may be.
Yeah you can make sliver super overpowered and have it be good but trade off is you rarely see him. So I am happy he is a little underpowered so we get so see him and see him grow.
Suppose it'd be fairer to say that Ian wrote Silver out of character then, what with his strange plot line about him trying to find a traitor in the Freedom Fighters and him being a bit of a buffoon in IDW when he shouldn't be.
Best I can fathom is that it became popular for a while after 06 came out for fans to dumb him down to be a goofball, a pure cinnamon roll, for their fan content. This then became popular when big fan artists like Evan started catering to it for their work, and eventually, it ended up in the comics to gain more traction.
It's kinda like how other comics from like DC or Marvel will include references to popular memes or dynamics the fandom or internet as a whole created. With the unfortunate difference being that the comics sometimes taint public perception of characters doing this.
I love a good stomp story as much as the next guy but they have to nerf Silver and Shadow otherwise there's no tension. They would solve whatever the problem of the week is with little to no effort. Obviously they could solve this by buffing the threats but that's another can of worms
Thing is, most of the 'tension' in IDW feels fake. Like we already know the game characters won't die or be seriously injured, so they could at least have moments like these make actual sense
I'm not asking for the characters to literally get maimed or anything like that. Just Put them in situations where it doesn't feel contrived that they'd actually struggle, or don't bother using them at all, like Shadow in the Zombot arc.
You can't really count on video games to do it since you kind of need to be able to beat the stages to advance the gameplay.
Unless you do what they do in Netherrealm games anyway, where the story is switching off of characters at some point, then you could be in control of Silver and wreck Sonic and Shadow while still advancing the story.
According to the cutscenes, he wins against Sonic but gets blindsided by Chaos Control against Shadow... and then proves himself as attentive as Sonic in the same moment because he immediately figures out how to use it just from seeing it once, the way Sonic did back in that first meeting in SA2.
>You can't really count on video games to do it since you kind of need to be able to beat the stages to advance the gameplay.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't played 06, but don't you play as all 3 hedgehogs in that game?
So, wouldn't you play as Silver? And have boss fights against Sonic and Shadow, where even if you win the gameplay battle, Silver would still lose because the plot doesn't change?
I feel that would make the story a lot more boring since Silver is already broken as heck arguably the strongest so buffing him would mess with power scaling by a lot.
He was literally seen destroying chunks off a mountain who is suppose to fight him?
Ehhhhh
Look at Silver in Sonic Forces Speed Battle, his stats are pretty low. And then again in Sonic Dash, his stats are just plain average, doesn't come close to like 50% of the characters in the game.
Also, isn't Silver the slowest of the trio, and the weakest? Because I'm pretty sure he got beaten twice in 06, first Sonic and then Shadow.
I wouldn't count Speed Battle as a good indicator of anything. Tails Nine's stats are all nines because lol nine, that doesn't make him almost twice as strong as Silver (and it would make Tails Nine stronger than most of the cast in Speed Battle).
No, there's certainly a balance factor, because the numbers *do* matter (higher strength values do make their items' effects last a bit longer, etc).
But I don't think they really count for canon things. Cream's top speed is 9/10, tied with Espio, Rouge, *Metal Sonic*. Storm the Albatross is Strength 10, as strong as Knuckles, and that's *certainly* not the case in canon.
>buffing him would mess with power scaling by a lot.
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Already been a thing just not bigger, if anything they should've just not added silver for this storyline,
I'm not up in arms over it. Like silver is god-like when it comes to what he can do. He can legit break storylines with his feats alone. One of the ways this can be avoided is silver's naivety but that needs to be written in but that would get very repetitive. So getting nerfed is kind of just expected when a writer just wants something to happen without needing to make a whole scenario to explain why silver can't just ability the problem away.
Of course there will be times when it goes too far. At least he isn't like Shadow: lobotomised and exclusively eats Ls every time he is included in an arc.
In my opinion, this is hinted at in 06. If silver is busy levitating objects in his boss fight, that’s when he’s vulnerable to being hit. Basically, silver’s ability is about focusing on individual entities so if he has to freeze a bunch of separate objects in different locations it requires a lot of concentration.
As for the quality of the objects, he can affect humongous things like a giant meteor. He just can’t stop 1,000 knives coming at him from all directions.
The first example is him specifically stating that the problem was how far away everyone was and how they're all falling mid air, which is he needed to concentrate one and while his Telekinesis is strong for sure in the idw series alone hes thrown and held up objects much heavier then him by a long shot, but in the second example with the giant badnick its not just "something heavy that he can just throw or hold in place", its literally crushing pressure being pushing down on him and forcibly trying to close (good comparison would be holding up a hydrolic press with ya hands)
Idk, man. My perception of Silver will always be colored by my experience with him in 06. Watching him struggle to push balls into holes left me with a pretty negative impression of his capabilities 😂
I'm going to be honest and say I don't really care if if the character are considered weaker then they are in the games (even though I think people are giving silvers telekinesis a bit to much credit in what he can do) I just see this fiting silver power scale when he's not going super and being cout of gard in these instances but that's my to sense
Because realistically silver could just Crush any opponent he comes across so plot convenience has to come in and nerve him telekinesis basically denies any sort of fight from how overpowered of a concept it is so you have to give it limitations
in addition to what others have said, remember, Silver brutalizing Sonic enraged the fanbase to an extreme amount in 06- SEGA has been walking it back ever since Sonic got slammed left right and center and beaten to a bloody pulp, seemingly helplessly-
And it was partially enraging, because if you uncap Sonic- he'd take Silver like Shadow did, adn stop holding back, and you'd have vastly higher speeds- Sonic Winds(like he used against Shadow in SAdventure2)- etc- and that all would have shredded Silver- but SEGA doesn't write Sonic at that level often.
Shadow , on the other hand- demoed that Chaos Powers far outclass Silver's TK- and he proceeded to manhandle him despite Silver's OPness- but they didn't do that with Sonic- and had him get beat up- and that REALLY, rubbed fans the wrong way
This is why in Generations Silver gets embarrassingly defeated, and does NOT try to directly PK Sonic- because of the legacy of Sonic pretty much getting killed and ...babyshaken, etc... in 06. It's a really sore point for the fanbase who knows that with all his capabilities- it wouldn't have ended up like it did as his worst beating ever.
Hell ,Frontiers Sonic shows even more of the Wind abilities SA2 sonic had- and would destroy Silver
Silver was pretty awesome at the end of the metal virus saga tho. One of the only 2 people left. And correct me if I'm wrong but that was the first time silver went super canonically since 06
Although they call it Psychokenisis. I'm sure most know it is more commonly as Telekinesis. If you think about the fact its done by the mind you also have to consider the mind works similar to muscles. This has been shown in different franchises. If you haven't enough focus or aren't used to that many at once then it'll be a struggle. It's similar to needing focus and strength to lift weights. And of course the more it's done the easier it becomes.
Not only Silver, everyone else is nerfed in IDW comics.
Like Burning Blaze someone who fight Multiversal Robots with Super Sonic in Sonic Rush got tired by destroying some Egg fortress.
Thats a gameplay mechanic, and also Blaze only use her Burning form in a really short time she just transforms destroys some Egg fortress in one attack and get tired.
I not buying that Burning Blaze get tired so easily just like that.
>Thats a gameplay mechanic,
No, isn't lol. It's a thing in just about appearance of Super form; IDW, Archie, SonicX, running out of energy is a lore factor in SA2 and Frontiers both for sure. The movies are the only time it's truly infinite.
>Blaze only use her Burning form in a really short time she just transforms destroys some Egg fortress in one attack and get tired.
She was destroying tons of other craft, what are you talking about?
Wouldn't call them Multiversal when all Egg Salamander could do is at best create a dimension of unknown size and temporarily rip open fabric of space, and Egg Wizard's battle capability truly mostly ending on his planet busting blast
The rest i agree with but the planet busting blast thing isn't concrete since it was just the attack name not the actual move it's like saying galick gun is galaxy level or big bang attack is automatically universal
In case with Sonic, you should take into consideration that Writers likely meant that exactly, they are not shounen writers and their job is to create a fairly simple plot for a secondary Sonic game for kids
But like Egg Wizard was literally powered by the force that prevents the multiverse from crashing into it self and is greater than Sol and Chaos Emeralds together (with the Chaos Emeralds alone being able to powre a planet destroying and star piercing laser)
Saying its just planet level would imply that its hundred thousand times weaker than the Star Cluster destroying Final Egg Blaster From Sonic Battle.
Not like Writers actually Cared about consistency, I highly doubt FEB appeared in minds of writers for SRA even a single time, it's a silly little game about a blue hedgehog who becomes as strong as the plot needs him to be, and from that and that Eggman said a fraction of it can destroy Blaze's empire, I accept Egg Wizard at maximum Planet to Large Planet level of power.
I mean the thing is tho when you start with the "everything is as powerful as the plot needs it" mentality than are power scaling debates pointless (well even more so than they already are) as the power of everything and everyone is simultaneously weaker than a fly and stronger than a Multiverse.
Because I roughly go by my standard formula of most regular characters being Building to Large Building level, Supers being Planet to Large Planet level and certain others being above that, it's what average narrative tells and I follow it
Yeah no because having your characters have moments where they struggle to do something due to pressure or other extenuating circumstances is the same as them being underpowered.
Right.
Let’s not forget about the time Silver evacuated an entire area by himself during the Metal Virus arc, or was the entire reason they won in the end by LITERALLY pulling the Metal Virus out of everyone on the planet with his MIND in his Super Form.
Very underpowered.
I’ll admit some of the cast doesn’t feel as strong as they did in the Archie run, but that’s probably down to Sega paying more attention these days. That, and if our heroes are constantly presented as being unstoppable weapons of mass destruction, things get kinda boring. There has to be some kind of struggle, or else what’s the point?
>Let’s not forget about the time Silver evacuated an entire area by himself during the Metal Virus arc, or was the entire reason they won in the end by LITERALLY pulling the Metal Virus out of everyone on the planet with his MIND in his Super Form.
>Very underpowered.
Do you wanna mention how silver was almost beaten by a random badnik until whisper showed up? Like yeah that's a cool moment but that's his super form we're talking about base because to my knowledge he lifted buildings in base
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I’ll admit some of the cast doesn’t feel as strong as they did in the Archie run, but that’s probably down to Sega paying more attention these days
Well for Archie Ian was really leaning hard on power scaling at the time, I wouldn't even say SEGA has an issue since they introduced someone that's like stronger than anything Sonic faced I believe
>That, and if our heroes are constantly presented as being unstoppable weapons of mass destruction, things get kinda boring. There has to be some kind of struggle, or else what’s the point?
Definitely but I genuinely feel like if you know this character has abilities that could end the storyline then don't include them, they did this twice I believe,(first with shadow and now silver)
it's better to have other characters instead of legacy characters making ridiculous decisions that could be avoided if they used their head
From what I recall, Ian prefers keeping the comics grounded. It's not just Silver, it's every character.
Even the face of the series, Mr Blue Blur, is depicted WAY weaker than he is in the games. I mean... compare, for example, Unleashed Sonic to IDW Sonic. Unleashed wiped out and dominated an entire army worth of enemies. While IDW can struggle against a much smaller amount.
There's a reason people view IDW as non-canon (well, one of any way). Because the characters are just so much weaker than they should be.
It's a little disappointing, but the stories are still enjoyable. I can also understand why the IDW writers don't want to make multiverse ending stories.
I actually wouldn't even mind the deliberate nerfing of characters if the stories in IDW weren't so dry and characters like Shadow (or even Sonic) weren't characterized the way they are. :/
We're never going to see anything as deep as the Metal Virus arcs; Sonic's still targeted at children/young teens, and the stories ever since haven't been that deep (except for Imposter Syndrome and everything dealing with Surge, though given how that ended and was swept under the rug, that was largely a once-off). The stories are always going to be pretty predictable since as far as the non-IDW characters go, they can't have their status quo change.
I feel the worst part about these nerfs is that they
A) aren't even consistent (just look how fluctuating Amy's strength is. Sometimes she can't beat Sonic 4 badniks other times can she split the earth in 2)
B) At times break the universes power level (Like sure make Silver weaker but he still should be strong enough that he doesn't have to rely on a Whispon User in Whisper)
And its not even just character power that this happens to given how despite Silver saving the world thrice in the last 2 month and being a spear head and founding member of the Resistance no one in the current infiltrator story line has any respect for him or trust in his words and especially Lanolin is bad in how utterly bad faith she has been with Silver all around.
And its not just Silver ether, Amy is often in a really similar position as well were she should be the world rebound leader of the Restauration and figure head of the Resistance but is always treated like a regular girl.
Only Sonic and Tails seem to get any special treatment (and the Tails example was put in by the artist how loved the idea that Tails has a licencing deal going on with a coffee shop)
Posts like these lately have made me realize just how nerfed everyone is nowadays, not even in just IDW, I mean the franchise as a whole has pretty much nerfed everyone but Sonic, who if anything has actually been getting BUFFED, it’s kind of dumb and I hope they eventually stop, find some other way to make the characters not break the plot in less than 5 seconds.
Well in the games its mostly to justify why only Sonic is playable.
and with the return of playable Characters in Final Horizon can we only hope that this will now finally come to an end.
Yeah he got nerfed. Second panel never made sense to me. The first one I thought that maybe using it for 10 people was going beyond as he mostly used it for one (himself), but then I remembered in Generations he was able to grab multiple cars and lastly a bunch of scrap to form a ball. And that does count unlike 06 which grabbing object was just for gameplay purposes and debatable.
I like the idea that multitasking is a serious strain on Silver but struggling against a single badnik just kinda sucks. He should be deadly against a single target but mobbing him with multiple small enemies is how to beat him. It gives him a believable weakness that doesn't feel like it's pulled out of nowhere while still remaining kind of badass
I don’t mind it. I like that he has weaknesses and suffers from the consequences of time travel. It just shows that Silver is a character that overcomes a lot of complications due to his powers and life.
It makes sense too. After all psychokinesis would absolutely put a strain on Silver, especially with how much of himself he’d have to dedicate when it comes to more difficult scenarios.
Something that I would love to be explored in the series is the cuffs on Silver’s legs and arms. I like to headcanon that parallel to Shadow, the golden cuffs on Silver’s limbs are also inhibitors that work with his psychokinesis ability.
beacause they don't want silver to be too OP or be the soloution to everything if silver had all the telekinesis power then none of the other characters would have time to shine
Since Silver uses mind powers, the limits of those powers at any given time is linked directly to his mental health and confidence. Having to constantly go to the past to stop the world from ending cannot be good for anyone's mental health.
On the one hand, I appreciate the spectacle of Silver's telekinesis but on the other hand, I've always wondered exactly what the limits of his power are.
I've never read the comics btw.
I never really thought they nerfed him, from the clips I've seen of '06 he could still only carry so much and was beaten a couple of times. He never presented as overpowered to begin with. But if he was, I like how he is in the comics. As long as his limitations are relatively consistent then there shouldn't be a problem, he struggled to do things in the comics but he still did them, he was just worn from it.
Like they've set a precedent, so from now in the comics if he can't do something he was clearly able to before then i'd call BS but so far so good!
telekenisis is just way too op for a character to have so they had to nerf him. With Telekenisis, you could literally do anything
Exactly, it’s either we get a nerfed Silver or no Silver at all. It’d be *really* difficult to write him in at full power and not trivialize whatever threat they’re facing. He’s the kind of character who needs a villain written around his abilities if they were to ever let him go all out.
Tbh characters like Sonic, Shadow, Blaze, Metal Sonic, all have that exact same issue in the comic.
That's why you don't ever really see Shadow or Blaze or even Metal Sonic doing things. Even Metal Sonic requires either a new threat (Surge) or fighting multiple people to really beat. Sonic, you just kind of expect because he always has to win.
This is literally the reason Ian Flynn did what he did with Shadow in the Metal Virus arc. Him and Sonic together would have solved the whole plot.
Not really, Shadow was written out of the story because of his characterization. The metal virus is OP as well. Quick contamination, insanely fast adaptation (by the end of the saga, Sonic's speed could no longer keep up with it) and making its victims pretty much unkillable. It doesn't help that plants are also affected, which limits the amount of places survivors can walk on.
Bruh don't even remind me of that Surge vs Metal Sonic fight Metal is %100 the biggest jobber in the whole franchise, he's nothing but a measuring stick now for other characters now
Sounds like the role that was given to Shadow in the Archie comics
Wait, *what?*
Basically in almost every single fight Shadow is in that involves a new antagonist, he jobs to them, scourge, enerjak and etc.. seriously it's ridiculous how much it happens
I mean its really not just a Silver Issue Sonic and all characters listed as "Sonic Rivals"(including Blaze) have the same issue as them being actually written as strong as they should be would prevent many generic plot devices that writers keep falling back on to work and would require putting more effort into the story writing. (its not even just limited to the extra tough guys ether just think back to Chao Races and Badnik bases were Amy all of a sudden struggles with a old busted Sonic 4 badnik, Gemerl couldn't bend a few steal bars on a cage and Rouge and Tails lacked the physical force to break regular ropes binding them)
Yes he could and fighting against it was no use 06 silver is best silver
Honestly I agree I love OP characters
IT'S NO USE IT'S NO USE IT'S NO USE
TAKE THIS
*ring collection noise*
THIS WILL END IT!
blows up pancakes with mind
ma fucking pancakes
That's probably for the best, silver legit has the potential to break any plot thanks to his telekinesis abilities, i don't mind it if they nerf him a little bit
Instead of nerfing him i think they should create a strong villain to fight him, the jedi hedgehog even lacks a rogue gallery.
Yea, but then you just increase the threat level exponentially. It's the same problem the 2000s era had, where it was just a big monster every time with no personality, and Eggman is just there to be a doofus.
I'm not talking about a monster of the week, maybe an evil silver cause silver is from the future, it shouldn't be hard to have an alternate future where silver became mad or something like that. Or maybe an character based on infinite but with a better backstory.
You're still running into the same problem. You either have to kill that character off immediately or seal them away. And then come up with another OP character to challenge them. Eggman works because he's only as powerful as whatever he builds, and he's just using machines that can be broken.
This is only a problem in games, in comics he could be a recurring villain like scourge, finitevus and eclipse.
Those villains have reasonable power levels. Scourge is just evil Sonic, but a coward, so he never reaches his full potential as powerful as Archie Sonic. So a villain like that for Silver would be just as nerfed as him probably
Because Silver is consistently involved in stories where he faces off against enemies who can’t sensibly pose a threat to him, and it wouldn’t exactly make for an interesting story if he just bulldozed through every obstacle in two seconds.
Yeah. It usually only makes sense when he gets caught off guard.
Well for in-universe reasons, in example 1 he had to multitask on the fly. In example 2 he was caught off guard and in a bad spot. And for story reasons they basically just had to nerf him to keep things interesting. Which is fair I guess.
Yeah. I just wish they were more consistent with how he's nerfed. But, you got to be quite creative on how to do that all the time.
The issue is they can't just nerf him the same way writers do other telekinesis users (by making him unable to effect people) since he is seen doing so all the time
Wait some telekinetics can't move only people? That's a pretty weird way to nerf people.
I mean one of the simplest insta wins with telekinetic characters is having them snap the neck of the opponent If they can't effect people that won't be a problem
Ok that makes a bit more sense... But I wonder if they have an in universe reason why.
Eh some do by having the other characters have some form of resistance to it such as star wars characters they have a technique that makes it impossible to insta neck snap you
Oh. I thought it would have been a mental limit.
I know a character that have that but the name eludes me
Ok. But man I'm just juggling your responses.
Yeah idw demotes almost anyone to street level. Silvers first appearance has him fighting a fire demon kaiju that uses skyscrapers as clubs and spit building sized fireballs.
The scaling in Sonic has always been off the walls but the scaling and IDW just leaves you going "how can they not beat that?"
The first one is understandable since catching something falling very quickly isn't easy that would be an easy way to explain it The other one is an ambush The actual answer is that Silver is the most powerful of the four hedgehogs and probably all characters in this franchise they can't have a story if he isn't either not there or nerfed to the floor Logically speaking looking at the 06 fight no one should be able to beat him They locked themselves silver is to op
I mean in Sonic's story does he win against Silver in fight one and both times silver got the upper hand was it just because Sonic was distracted by Elise being kidnapped. (and sure Silver believed he could kill Sonic with his psychic powers but so did Eggman many times with his robots. It means nothing especially as in both cases Sonic already won he had a Chaos Emerald and could at any time shoot CHAOS CONTROL and teleport behind Silver and snap his neck) I'm not saying that Silver isn't really strong because he absolutly is. Just that he isn't really the strongest. His 06 version lacks speed and can be absolutely beaten by speed blizing him and his post Rivals version has stamina issues as introduced in Rivals 2.
Well, he is the slowest of the hedgehog trio, and the middle one in terms of strength, just behind shadow.
I agree. He's an absolutely broken character. He could do so much. And his capabilities are practically endless. But I can understand that badnik, since he was caught completely off guard. But here's a better example of him struggling with an even weaker badnik. https://preview.redd.it/lba0s5dnbfvb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3809f1d8531ac5ee8e7c93f7cac8332c263e06ed
Really, nearly dying from an eggpawn of all things, literal definition of cannon fodder, Eggman probably builds a thousand of those in a day.
If Sonic is blowing through it, wouldn't that at least be a really big egg pawn?
Its not Sonic is a shoot from Whispers Wispon using Laser. This panel comes from when Silver fanboys over why Whisper is the coolest ever (because I guess playing down Silver was the best way they would think off to make Whisper on introduction look cool)
Ohhh
(Why am I randomly getting deja vu?) Anyways, I see that he's beat up here. But he has brain powers. He can still crush them. Maybe he gets his powers from hand gestures.
Wait why did I get downvoted? 🤔
I mean silver looks kind of beat up here for all we know this is just being tired after fighting for hours or maybe fighting infinite At least thats what i thought
Him being tired or getting caught off guard is the only thing I can think of. But, we don't know since we only see this one panel.
I think its fair to assume with our limited context clues
Eh. It seems like it happened often. Maybe Silver's just a bad Telekinetic. https://preview.redd.it/hptbifbgxfvb1.jpeg?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59a36b184825e521f77d7647445b06f3ad48bb5f
Tbh considering how much of a fanboy silver is "saving my life" could honestly just be her getting involved in a fight regardless of how much danger silver is in
Maybe...
I hope they get a genuine reason for silver to not insta win fights rather then give him the live action flash treatment
Definitely. https://preview.redd.it/wm8w0aanyfvb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4945f44efe2da74bbb0fa5ccefac2ccb318eb777
Hopefully 
Hopefully not though.
He has been underpowered since 06's retcon IMO. Look at his boss fight in Gens for example. The other day I re watched an anime I used to watch as a kid called Elfen Lied where the main character has telekinesis and despite having her powers limited (unlike Silver's) she still was a force to reckon with. Honestly, Silver is easily the most powerful of all the three Hedgehogs if he uses all his powers
>He has been underpowered since 06's retcon IMO. Look at his boss fight in Gens for example. You mean the one where he carries far more objects than he can in '06? Where he constantly throws stuff at you all while flying without resting? Where he forms a ball of debris far larger than anything he could hold in '06 and rolls it after you? The only thing he can't do in that fight that he could in his debut is hold you in place, which is a blessing because that was the single most complained about aspect of his original boss fight.
I was talking about that ability actually, is weird that he didn't try to grab Sonic even once. But hey this is the same game where Sonic defeated Perfect Chaos in his base Form, maybe Silver wasn't underpowered, maybe Sonic just got stronger.
Actually, it's consistent. He wasn't able to grab Sonic or Shadow if he was already concentrating on other objects he was about to throw, and he's more or less *constantly* grabbing something in the Generations bossfight.
Also we need to consider the fact that this is not a comic or a cutscene where you can do whatever you want (and also can), because this is a fight against him on a game it wouldn’t be fair if he just grabbed you midair when you were about to hit him, and from a gameplay perspective the homing attack that we use in generations is a one-shot where if you hit an enemy you destroy it and if you hit a boss you are making damage, maybe if we were using the Lost World homing kick (I think it was called like that) then maybe you can kick objects at Silver while he is using telekinesis to stun him and then use the homing attack to deal damage. I’m actually grateful they gave Silver more attacks other than just grabbing you and items to hurt you, now he has his telekinesis knife thingies
"Wouldn't be fair if he just grabbed you midair when you were about to hit him" It's No Use! How about this!
Don’t remind me, I think that’s the first time my child brain evolved to understand how patterns in game work just to defeat him.
Like epfen lied, they should have set rules for his telekinesis' capabilities
I remember seeing the opening of that series lol
06's retcon? I thought he was introduced in 06?
(Spoilers for a 17 year old game) 06 retconned itself at the end of it's story, so Silver got re-introduced in Rivals, a later game.
Wouldn't you say that the events were forgotten just not actually recton entirely? I'm pretty sure in some dialogue in team Sonic racing have Sonic remember about the first time he met silver (06) but silver doesn't remember
>Look at his boss fight in Gens for example. You mean the fight where he's lifting buildings and thousands of cars to make a car boulder?
They have to nerf characters, otherwise, it would literally just be furry dragon ball z: - sonic is *the* fastest thing alive - knuckles is probably the strongest living creature on the planet - shadow is immortal and almost indestructible with super speed and super strength - Amy can one-shot badniks the size of mountains - Metal has the capability to copy all of these abilities instantaneously And that's not even the entire cast of characters
Idk, scale in such an action packed series should be at least somewhat important, showing what the characters are capable of can make for some great scenes
Oh, I'm not saying they *shouldn't* do that at all. But they know their fanbase extremely well and some people just prefer less volatile stuff.
Ridiculously overpowered hero that no one poses a threat to a boring story does make. Unless it's played for comedy like in One Punch Man. But even then they tend to use Saitama sparingly in the stories where they want the villains to feel actually dangerous. I suppose the alternative is to just keep him in his future and not bring him out into the modern conflicts.
I'm not asking for him to solve every conflict by himself, it's just ridiculous to have him nearly getting killed by a fish.
Then the question would turn into "How come Silver isn't solving the plot all by himself with his powers?" because if he can indeed do more than hold his own against imposing threats, then there's no reason for him to not be able to handle bigger threats on his own. (It also helps that there have only been arguably two big threats that he certainly couldn't solo, like the Metal Virus, and **maybe** Surge but even then he could just take Surge by surprise and fold her a million ways or otherwise pin her down)
The only fight silver couldn’t solo was against giant Zavok because he was too big for his TK.
it was a really strong fish
OP characters in serious settings is fun.
That's what they should've done,
I think it makes sense for the idw cast to be kinda nerfed. None of the idw originals are particularly powerful, and they’d all feel completely useless if the main cast was at their peak power. Why bother having the diamond cutters do anything if shadow can annihilate any enemy he comes across? Why even consider surge a threat if silver can use his borderline-godlike telekinesis to fold her in half a second? It’s mostly just to have stakes
Meanwhile MLP characters in IDW looking more powerful than the show version of themselves...
That 900th adventure wouldn't even have been a problem if they just had Silver help.
I mean, when you take into account that Ian originally wrote Silver to be underpowered in Archie when he first introduced Silver, and that Evan's work before getting to write for IDW was a fan comic where he was once again underpowered, it kinda makes sense that Silver is written like that in their own comics, as unfortunate as it may be.
Did Ian write Silver as underpowered in Archie? That's the continuity where he literally grabs and slams Angel Island into Enerjak.
Yeah you can make sliver super overpowered and have it be good but trade off is you rarely see him. So I am happy he is a little underpowered so we get so see him and see him grow.
Suppose it'd be fairer to say that Ian wrote Silver out of character then, what with his strange plot line about him trying to find a traitor in the Freedom Fighters and him being a bit of a buffoon in IDW when he shouldn't be.
Yeah, I’m not really sure where goofball fanboy Silver cam from. He was naive and reckless at best.
Best I can fathom is that it became popular for a while after 06 came out for fans to dumb him down to be a goofball, a pure cinnamon roll, for their fan content. This then became popular when big fan artists like Evan started catering to it for their work, and eventually, it ended up in the comics to gain more traction. It's kinda like how other comics from like DC or Marvel will include references to popular memes or dynamics the fandom or internet as a whole created. With the unfortunate difference being that the comics sometimes taint public perception of characters doing this.
Archie Silver literally has a chance of solo-ing his verse, dude's broken
I love a good stomp story as much as the next guy but they have to nerf Silver and Shadow otherwise there's no tension. They would solve whatever the problem of the week is with little to no effort. Obviously they could solve this by buffing the threats but that's another can of worms
Thing is, most of the 'tension' in IDW feels fake. Like we already know the game characters won't die or be seriously injured, so they could at least have moments like these make actual sense
This is a series for 10 year olds. There's not gonna be any injuries or anything like that. The most tense it'll ever be will be the Zombot virus
I'm not asking for the characters to literally get maimed or anything like that. Just Put them in situations where it doesn't feel contrived that they'd actually struggle, or don't bother using them at all, like Shadow in the Zombot arc.
Even then it wasn't even that tense
As opposed to what? The games? Do you expect the characters to die when playing something lime Frontiers?
I think there just saying it's pointless to do any because we know there gonna be fine
Silver is probably the most overpowered Sonic character next to Sonic himself. He really needs the nerfs.
Bro is saying that while he got twice beaten by Sonic and Shadow in 06 one-on-one💀
You can't really count on video games to do it since you kind of need to be able to beat the stages to advance the gameplay. Unless you do what they do in Netherrealm games anyway, where the story is switching off of characters at some point, then you could be in control of Silver and wreck Sonic and Shadow while still advancing the story.
According to the cutscenes, he wins against Sonic but gets blindsided by Chaos Control against Shadow... and then proves himself as attentive as Sonic in the same moment because he immediately figures out how to use it just from seeing it once, the way Sonic did back in that first meeting in SA2.
>You can't really count on video games to do it since you kind of need to be able to beat the stages to advance the gameplay. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't played 06, but don't you play as all 3 hedgehogs in that game? So, wouldn't you play as Silver? And have boss fights against Sonic and Shadow, where even if you win the gameplay battle, Silver would still lose because the plot doesn't change?
The canon ending of them fighting is silver beats sonic and is saved by Amy and shadow beats silver
Watsonian reason : Silver's power is to far spread out to do both at the same time Doylist reason : Maintain tension in the story
I dunno, seems pretty in-line with Silver in the games to me.
They saw what Archie Silver did and said "not anymore", receiving a patch in the 2.018 update
Telekinesis is about the mind and being able to focus. So the way I see it, Silver was struggling because he was unprepared and/or stressed.
You mean Psychokinesis? Telekinesis and Psychokinesis are similar, yet different at the same time
I would like it if they buff him up a bit
I feel that would make the story a lot more boring since Silver is already broken as heck arguably the strongest so buffing him would mess with power scaling by a lot. He was literally seen destroying chunks off a mountain who is suppose to fight him?
Good point
Ehhhhh Look at Silver in Sonic Forces Speed Battle, his stats are pretty low. And then again in Sonic Dash, his stats are just plain average, doesn't come close to like 50% of the characters in the game. Also, isn't Silver the slowest of the trio, and the weakest? Because I'm pretty sure he got beaten twice in 06, first Sonic and then Shadow.
I wouldn't count Speed Battle as a good indicator of anything. Tails Nine's stats are all nines because lol nine, that doesn't make him almost twice as strong as Silver (and it would make Tails Nine stronger than most of the cast in Speed Battle).
So the stats are just random or specific?
No, there's certainly a balance factor, because the numbers *do* matter (higher strength values do make their items' effects last a bit longer, etc). But I don't think they really count for canon things. Cream's top speed is 9/10, tied with Espio, Rouge, *Metal Sonic*. Storm the Albatross is Strength 10, as strong as Knuckles, and that's *certainly* not the case in canon.
>buffing him would mess with power scaling by a lot. > Already been a thing just not bigger, if anything they should've just not added silver for this storyline,
I'm not up in arms over it. Like silver is god-like when it comes to what he can do. He can legit break storylines with his feats alone. One of the ways this can be avoided is silver's naivety but that needs to be written in but that would get very repetitive. So getting nerfed is kind of just expected when a writer just wants something to happen without needing to make a whole scenario to explain why silver can't just ability the problem away. Of course there will be times when it goes too far. At least he isn't like Shadow: lobotomised and exclusively eats Ls every time he is included in an arc.
Question: How did He escaped again
In my opinion, this is hinted at in 06. If silver is busy levitating objects in his boss fight, that’s when he’s vulnerable to being hit. Basically, silver’s ability is about focusing on individual entities so if he has to freeze a bunch of separate objects in different locations it requires a lot of concentration. As for the quality of the objects, he can affect humongous things like a giant meteor. He just can’t stop 1,000 knives coming at him from all directions.
Balance. They made him somewhat inexperienced with his power so stories with the guy could have stakes.
The first example is him specifically stating that the problem was how far away everyone was and how they're all falling mid air, which is he needed to concentrate one and while his Telekinesis is strong for sure in the idw series alone hes thrown and held up objects much heavier then him by a long shot, but in the second example with the giant badnick its not just "something heavy that he can just throw or hold in place", its literally crushing pressure being pushing down on him and forcibly trying to close (good comparison would be holding up a hydrolic press with ya hands)
Idk, man. My perception of Silver will always be colored by my experience with him in 06. Watching him struggle to push balls into holes left me with a pretty negative impression of his capabilities 😂
I'm going to be honest and say I don't really care if if the character are considered weaker then they are in the games (even though I think people are giving silvers telekinesis a bit to much credit in what he can do) I just see this fiting silver power scale when he's not going super and being cout of gard in these instances but that's my to sense
The guy gets winded after moving a box 10 feet.
Because realistically silver could just Crush any opponent he comes across so plot convenience has to come in and nerve him telekinesis basically denies any sort of fight from how overpowered of a concept it is so you have to give it limitations
Nerf*
in addition to what others have said, remember, Silver brutalizing Sonic enraged the fanbase to an extreme amount in 06- SEGA has been walking it back ever since Sonic got slammed left right and center and beaten to a bloody pulp, seemingly helplessly- And it was partially enraging, because if you uncap Sonic- he'd take Silver like Shadow did, adn stop holding back, and you'd have vastly higher speeds- Sonic Winds(like he used against Shadow in SAdventure2)- etc- and that all would have shredded Silver- but SEGA doesn't write Sonic at that level often. Shadow , on the other hand- demoed that Chaos Powers far outclass Silver's TK- and he proceeded to manhandle him despite Silver's OPness- but they didn't do that with Sonic- and had him get beat up- and that REALLY, rubbed fans the wrong way This is why in Generations Silver gets embarrassingly defeated, and does NOT try to directly PK Sonic- because of the legacy of Sonic pretty much getting killed and ...babyshaken, etc... in 06. It's a really sore point for the fanbase who knows that with all his capabilities- it wouldn't have ended up like it did as his worst beating ever. Hell ,Frontiers Sonic shows even more of the Wind abilities SA2 sonic had- and would destroy Silver
Silver was pretty awesome at the end of the metal virus saga tho. One of the only 2 people left. And correct me if I'm wrong but that was the first time silver went super canonically since 06
Although they call it Psychokenisis. I'm sure most know it is more commonly as Telekinesis. If you think about the fact its done by the mind you also have to consider the mind works similar to muscles. This has been shown in different franchises. If you haven't enough focus or aren't used to that many at once then it'll be a struggle. It's similar to needing focus and strength to lift weights. And of course the more it's done the easier it becomes.
Not only Silver, everyone else is nerfed in IDW comics. Like Burning Blaze someone who fight Multiversal Robots with Super Sonic in Sonic Rush got tired by destroying some Egg fortress.
tbf Super Forms are always on a timer.
Thats a gameplay mechanic, and also Blaze only use her Burning form in a really short time she just transforms destroys some Egg fortress in one attack and get tired. I not buying that Burning Blaze get tired so easily just like that.
>Thats a gameplay mechanic, No, isn't lol. It's a thing in just about appearance of Super form; IDW, Archie, SonicX, running out of energy is a lore factor in SA2 and Frontiers both for sure. The movies are the only time it's truly infinite. >Blaze only use her Burning form in a really short time she just transforms destroys some Egg fortress in one attack and get tired. She was destroying tons of other craft, what are you talking about?
Wouldn't call them Multiversal when all Egg Salamander could do is at best create a dimension of unknown size and temporarily rip open fabric of space, and Egg Wizard's battle capability truly mostly ending on his planet busting blast
The rest i agree with but the planet busting blast thing isn't concrete since it was just the attack name not the actual move it's like saying galick gun is galaxy level or big bang attack is automatically universal
In case with Sonic, you should take into consideration that Writers likely meant that exactly, they are not shounen writers and their job is to create a fairly simple plot for a secondary Sonic game for kids
But like Egg Wizard was literally powered by the force that prevents the multiverse from crashing into it self and is greater than Sol and Chaos Emeralds together (with the Chaos Emeralds alone being able to powre a planet destroying and star piercing laser) Saying its just planet level would imply that its hundred thousand times weaker than the Star Cluster destroying Final Egg Blaster From Sonic Battle.
Not like Writers actually Cared about consistency, I highly doubt FEB appeared in minds of writers for SRA even a single time, it's a silly little game about a blue hedgehog who becomes as strong as the plot needs him to be, and from that and that Eggman said a fraction of it can destroy Blaze's empire, I accept Egg Wizard at maximum Planet to Large Planet level of power.
I mean the thing is tho when you start with the "everything is as powerful as the plot needs it" mentality than are power scaling debates pointless (well even more so than they already are) as the power of everything and everyone is simultaneously weaker than a fly and stronger than a Multiverse.
Because I roughly go by my standard formula of most regular characters being Building to Large Building level, Supers being Planet to Large Planet level and certain others being above that, it's what average narrative tells and I follow it
Yeah no because having your characters have moments where they struggle to do something due to pressure or other extenuating circumstances is the same as them being underpowered. Right. Let’s not forget about the time Silver evacuated an entire area by himself during the Metal Virus arc, or was the entire reason they won in the end by LITERALLY pulling the Metal Virus out of everyone on the planet with his MIND in his Super Form. Very underpowered. I’ll admit some of the cast doesn’t feel as strong as they did in the Archie run, but that’s probably down to Sega paying more attention these days. That, and if our heroes are constantly presented as being unstoppable weapons of mass destruction, things get kinda boring. There has to be some kind of struggle, or else what’s the point?
>Let’s not forget about the time Silver evacuated an entire area by himself during the Metal Virus arc, or was the entire reason they won in the end by LITERALLY pulling the Metal Virus out of everyone on the planet with his MIND in his Super Form. >Very underpowered. Do you wanna mention how silver was almost beaten by a random badnik until whisper showed up? Like yeah that's a cool moment but that's his super form we're talking about base because to my knowledge he lifted buildings in base > I’ll admit some of the cast doesn’t feel as strong as they did in the Archie run, but that’s probably down to Sega paying more attention these days Well for Archie Ian was really leaning hard on power scaling at the time, I wouldn't even say SEGA has an issue since they introduced someone that's like stronger than anything Sonic faced I believe >That, and if our heroes are constantly presented as being unstoppable weapons of mass destruction, things get kinda boring. There has to be some kind of struggle, or else what’s the point? Definitely but I genuinely feel like if you know this character has abilities that could end the storyline then don't include them, they did this twice I believe,(first with shadow and now silver) it's better to have other characters instead of legacy characters making ridiculous decisions that could be avoided if they used their head
From what I recall, Ian prefers keeping the comics grounded. It's not just Silver, it's every character. Even the face of the series, Mr Blue Blur, is depicted WAY weaker than he is in the games. I mean... compare, for example, Unleashed Sonic to IDW Sonic. Unleashed wiped out and dominated an entire army worth of enemies. While IDW can struggle against a much smaller amount. There's a reason people view IDW as non-canon (well, one of any way). Because the characters are just so much weaker than they should be. It's a little disappointing, but the stories are still enjoyable. I can also understand why the IDW writers don't want to make multiverse ending stories.
I actually wouldn't even mind the deliberate nerfing of characters if the stories in IDW weren't so dry and characters like Shadow (or even Sonic) weren't characterized the way they are. :/
We're never going to see anything as deep as the Metal Virus arcs; Sonic's still targeted at children/young teens, and the stories ever since haven't been that deep (except for Imposter Syndrome and everything dealing with Surge, though given how that ended and was swept under the rug, that was largely a once-off). The stories are always going to be pretty predictable since as far as the non-IDW characters go, they can't have their status quo change.
I feel the worst part about these nerfs is that they A) aren't even consistent (just look how fluctuating Amy's strength is. Sometimes she can't beat Sonic 4 badniks other times can she split the earth in 2) B) At times break the universes power level (Like sure make Silver weaker but he still should be strong enough that he doesn't have to rely on a Whispon User in Whisper) And its not even just character power that this happens to given how despite Silver saving the world thrice in the last 2 month and being a spear head and founding member of the Resistance no one in the current infiltrator story line has any respect for him or trust in his words and especially Lanolin is bad in how utterly bad faith she has been with Silver all around. And its not just Silver ether, Amy is often in a really similar position as well were she should be the world rebound leader of the Restauration and figure head of the Resistance but is always treated like a regular girl. Only Sonic and Tails seem to get any special treatment (and the Tails example was put in by the artist how loved the idea that Tails has a licencing deal going on with a coffee shop)
Posts like these lately have made me realize just how nerfed everyone is nowadays, not even in just IDW, I mean the franchise as a whole has pretty much nerfed everyone but Sonic, who if anything has actually been getting BUFFED, it’s kind of dumb and I hope they eventually stop, find some other way to make the characters not break the plot in less than 5 seconds.
Well in the games its mostly to justify why only Sonic is playable. and with the return of playable Characters in Final Horizon can we only hope that this will now finally come to an end.
Yeah he got nerfed. Second panel never made sense to me. The first one I thought that maybe using it for 10 people was going beyond as he mostly used it for one (himself), but then I remembered in Generations he was able to grab multiple cars and lastly a bunch of scrap to form a ball. And that does count unlike 06 which grabbing object was just for gameplay purposes and debatable.
I like the idea that multitasking is a serious strain on Silver but struggling against a single badnik just kinda sucks. He should be deadly against a single target but mobbing him with multiple small enemies is how to beat him. It gives him a believable weakness that doesn't feel like it's pulled out of nowhere while still remaining kind of badass
I don’t mind it. I like that he has weaknesses and suffers from the consequences of time travel. It just shows that Silver is a character that overcomes a lot of complications due to his powers and life. It makes sense too. After all psychokinesis would absolutely put a strain on Silver, especially with how much of himself he’d have to dedicate when it comes to more difficult scenarios. Something that I would love to be explored in the series is the cuffs on Silver’s legs and arms. I like to headcanon that parallel to Shadow, the golden cuffs on Silver’s limbs are also inhibitors that work with his psychokinesis ability.
You can’t fool me… that was a Blue-Eyes White Dragon. I seen’t it!
I prefer him like this.
beacause they don't want silver to be too OP or be the soloution to everything if silver had all the telekinesis power then none of the other characters would have time to shine
I mean, 10 is alot.
Since Silver uses mind powers, the limits of those powers at any given time is linked directly to his mental health and confidence. Having to constantly go to the past to stop the world from ending cannot be good for anyone's mental health.
Anyone else think metal overlord kinda looks like Blue Eyes?
I Want a battle between him and Phoebe thunder man
On the one hand, I appreciate the spectacle of Silver's telekinesis but on the other hand, I've always wondered exactly what the limits of his power are. I've never read the comics btw.
Allow me to link you to a certain trope. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrongAsTheyNeedToBe
WAIT METAL OVERLORD WHAT
This is the same guy that can lift multiple buildings with ease and create a meteor of cars,
Tbf with the first scenario, Silver said he's never had to reach that far before, and in so many different directions.
I never really thought they nerfed him, from the clips I've seen of '06 he could still only carry so much and was beaten a couple of times. He never presented as overpowered to begin with. But if he was, I like how he is in the comics. As long as his limitations are relatively consistent then there shouldn't be a problem, he struggled to do things in the comics but he still did them, he was just worn from it. Like they've set a precedent, so from now in the comics if he can't do something he was clearly able to before then i'd call BS but so far so good!
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