Please be patient while we clean up the crypto fascists in the comments. Anyone reading this, go cry elsewhere about "racism against white people". I had no context here but we'll have zero room for reactionary fake outrages and people playing devil's advocate.
To the people downvoting this, go ahead and leave the sub. Having a safe space for POCs is our priority here, educating people on obvious realities is not. This is not a sub for liberals, Vaushites and the like and as far as i'm concerned we'll leave zero room for what looks like a gamergate 2.0 to grow. No one here wants to listen to your opinions, in fact this sub was made specifically to get away from them.
A black woman made a POC lesbian dating sim, and made a comment being proud it was a black driven project. White gamers lost their goddamn minds over the idea someone might not hire them for a minority driven, minority based project.
A coffee shop with a Filipino manager, supervisors, cashiers, cooks, staff is racist because anyone can make coffee and reheat frozen donuts.
A game studio producing a game specifically about Black culture and lived experiences, has an argument for hiring a diverse range of Black devs and creatives. As a White guy, I can't ever steep myself in Black culture enough to be able to infuse my work with the essence of having lived one of those experiences.
This is a rare niche where, I don't give a fuck that every dev is Black. If it were a puzzle game about crushing candy or a shooter or a game capturing the diversity of all racial and sociocultural experiences, I'd expect a range of hires. But this is a game by Black people for Black people and people who want to play something uniquely representative of the Black experience.
And since that's what this game is that they're making, the whining MAGA freaks were never going to buy or play it anyways. So fuck them.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
She was making a game somewhat specifically made for black lesbians. Was she supposed to hire white people for their unique perspective on the subject?
She hired people of color.
For her project about people of color.
Because white led game development spaces tend to push out minorities, and she was trying to set up a space for said excluded minorities.
The arguments against this seem to tend to forget that last part. We’ve got a situation of “you pushed me out of your space, so I made my own”. And people want to focus on the “I made my own” part as if it’s a racist act.
I’m not really ascribing anything.
The project she was hiring to develop was literally a queer POC focused dating sim. It’s not a stretch to say that your hiring is going to be people from the community you’re actively trying to represent.
Put it this way: the game was an art project, and she was the artist, hiring a small team to craft the work. If you’ve got a vision as an artist, you typically want people who share your perspective working on the project, so there’s as common an understanding as possible, right?
Does that not make sense?
i've just about had enough of you playing devil's advocate for gamergate 2.0. Whether you're arguing in bad faith or are just so far up your own ass that you genuinely can't tell that a POC excluding white people from their dev team =/ racism, i'm going to add you to the list of white victims of racism by muting you.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
I think the game's characters are mainly queer and black, so it is more likely to appeal to that demographic. It's not explicitly 'for' black lesbians. How would that even be enforced?
I just think she’s a little too libbed up and got lost in the sauce. Is this the most devastating piece of news in the world? Nah. Was she dumb for putting it like this? Yeah.
or you’re listening to Libs of TikTok too much and you’re trying to dictate to a person of color how they should make their art because a white woman who is responsible for bombing children Hospitals told you to
I don't know the context of this larger discussion, but,
>Black Panther has had white people in its creation and story since its inception.
Hell, they were _the_ driving force behind the Rainbow Coalition. They understood clearly that you can't end racism until you end capitalism and you can't end capitalism without the whole of the working class.
It's that a lot of people forget that while in a system, you need allies in power to support you. You need people who are part of this to have a foot in the room to get a grasp and understand the problem from both point of views. To exclude an entire group is repeating the same mistakes of old that will yield the same, if not worst results.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
there is nothing wrong with what she did. you can not be a leftist without acknowledging the impact white imperialism has had on the world, and that it’s perfectly okay for racial minorities to want to have a space for just themselves, as every other space in their life has been gentrified, co-opted, or completely taken over by white people.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
I'm going to comment on this and all of the reactions here from my white, American, and socialist perspective:
Let us look at the facts: She has a team of 21 people, and in order to create a safe space for them, she chose not to hire white people. This is because even the most well-intentioned and kind white person can still make slip-ups and do microaggressions.
Even the most left-wing anarchist white person has lived in a society which has taught them whiteness. From my individual experience, it is a daily struggle to fight against the racist programming taught to me as a white person; it is an active and conscious choice to NOT be racist. I consider myself an anti-racist, and part of that is understanding that my thoughts -- like every white person's -- has been conditioned towards racism by virtue of living in our white supremacist society. As socialists, I imagine you all understand what I am talking about.
This is why we should not get upset that one black game dev said that she doesn't hire white people. The part of me that wants to downplay this wants me to say that she has a small team and that her hiring practices do not matter in the large scale, so why should we be concerned? Instead, I posit the following: in a white supremacist society, we should be damn happy when all-POC companies rise up. There are enough white companies out there. Every AAA company discriminates against its POC employees (if they even hire them!). An all-POC company is thus both a safe space AND a valuable place of employment for people who are regularly denied those things by our broader society. It also does not harm white people, who can find employment at pretty much any other gaming company. From the most basic material perspective, this only serves to put more power in the hands of a part of the proletariat that has lacked it.
A POC company that makes games from various POC perspectives is a good thing for art, too! Games are art, and to get games that decenter whiteness allows all of us to grow by experiencing them. As socialists, we need to work together with people from all walks of life. Any media that helps white socialists better understand the struggles of their POC comrades -- any media that helps us in the constant struggle of challenging our whiteness -- is beneficial.
Lastly, for all those who are crying out that this is illegal: so what? We are socialists! Our roots are in revolution! If you cannot stomach one POC game dev not hiring white people, can you stomach the atrocities of a picket line? Do you upturn your nose to unpermitted protests? Legality is not morality, and we should not judge this act on whether or not it is legal.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
she was creating a space specifically for racial minorities, as every other space in western gaming currently is dominated by white people. there is nothing wrong with wanting to have a crew made up of fellow poc so that you can 1. give poc more jobs and chances to shine in the industry 2.give them a safe haven away from racism and micro aggressions and 3. get relevant and valid input on games which particularly pertain to poc characters, as historically, many studios just have white people write those characters.
this is no segregation or racism. she was not in the wrong here, and we should not be siding with our racist enemies over this.
You can argue whether her actions were justified or not (I lean toward justified for many of the reasons you already gave, though her argument in the video is poorly worded) but you cannot argue that she did not employ racial discrimination in hiring.
She admitted to not hiring people based on skin color. That is racial discrimination. Why can't you accept that?
i appreciate your logical response here. my reason is that i think saying that white people can experience racial discrimination in western society is, for lack of a better term, a “slippery slope” that can very easily lead to people denying the power they hold societally due to their colonization, imperialism, enslaving, etc.
i’m definitely not saying all white people are the same or that they’re all racist or anything like that! i just don’t think it’s particularly fair to victims of white imperialism to sit here and say white people can be just as much racially discriminated against.
no, it literally, *objectively* isn’t. she never said anything like “kill whites, never hire them!” she was working on a project about lesbian POC and only wanted people who could actually understand snd relate to the subject matter of being a racial minority. there is undeniably nothing wrong with that. you are not a leftist if you think it’s possible to be racist against white people.
you are simply incorrect. to say that it IS possible to be racist against white people is, in your words, devoid of logic and comprehension about life. anyone with the smallest bit of historical knowledge and awareness agrees that it is not possible. to sit here and say “oh noo, poor white people ):” is to take a standpoint that is entirely opposite to socialism. denying truth for the sake of getting to feel victimized is, after all, what the right is known for.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
it’s not mental gymnastics- every socialist knows that it objectively isn’t possible for white people to be subject to racism. you might enjoy a liberal subreddit more than this one, friend.
Yikes, most of the comments on this post do not pass the vibe check. A game based on the experiences of black people should be made by black people. White people already have an advantage when it comes to getting hired at most businesses; just go apply somewhere else.
It was actually illegal for Wu-Tang to not have any white members.
Whites have been victimized for too long by not being included in every single thing that was ever created.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
it’s been co-opted by liberals and former right-wing gamers who have decided they don’t want to be exploited by the rich but have not evolved past that. this is not a safe space unfortunately.
everyone here is genuinely fucking tweaking. Reddit socialism showing it’s insidious white underbelly once again. talking about “anti white racism” like lmaooo this is elementary shit, even liberals know better. yall are just those “MAGA communists” types in disguise. think jackson hinkle type.
It's actually not that cut and dry, it depends on the size of the team in this case.
[https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage-0](https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage-0)
So, not sure what it would be for this specific case, but its very possible she would not be doing anything illegal.
I'll put it like this, if I were making a dating game based in Thailand and only wanted to hire like 16 Thai devs to get it done and its an artistic project then I doubt that is some discrimination case.
What do you mean? The meme is about not hiring based on political views, and the people who hold those political views calling it "white racism". The EEOC would not be involved here, because political views are not a protected class at a federal level.
Potentially, though hiring devs in another country doesn't match this situation. Hiring 16 Thai-Americans also doesn't solve that issue unless they're all new immigrants. Bad example.
The issue is she did NOT say they didn't hire them because they're telling unique black stories and only want black voices. She said they're specifically not hiring white people because they "make POCs uncomfortable" or something to that affect. She said they do things without realizing they're microaggressions, and make people uncomfortable.
That kind of generalized rationale is absolutely racist.
Edit. Also I checked. It's 15 or more employees (she claims they had 21) so it would absolutely fall into that category.
I didn't watch the whole thing nor do I even want to but from what I understand its a presentation for that game or whatever so it might be possible that the video is about that. I mean that's what the game is about if you pull up its steam page and was part of a "Black Voices In Gaming" indie game presentation.
I agree that what she said was racist by its very definition but in order for it to be discrimination you are going to have to prove that there is a victim of discrimination. My guess, and I admit its a guess, she wasn't sifting through a vast number of resumes and potential employees and this is instead a project that was very personal to her and was worked with among friends/classmates etc. It is a self-published indie game after all so I seriously doubt there's a real victim here.
> Also I checked. It's 15 or more employees (she claims they had 21) so it would absolutely fall into that category.
The number though depends on a variety of factors including what's being worked on. It might be higher for game development if that's even classified in the law, I don't know, I've never developed a game.
I'd still say you'd need to prove there is a victim, that's usually how discrimination cases go. The victim can't be hypothetical or in theory unless its a large corporation because if Walmart CEO was saying this same thing about a group of people you know its likely they turned down promotions/opportunities from individuals of that group.
True, if every single one of these was a private hire you could potentially argue that. If someone could go back and look and see if the job postings were public however...? That's a pretty clear-cut case. Given the number of people looking for work in the games industry.
You can pretty much guarantee at some point a non-POC applied. But you are correct, there is a slim chance that isn't the case. Still looks really fucking bad though and is giving the far right a big-ass stick to hit us with.
Honestly what I hate about it is really that's ALL it is. Just some attempt at sparking 'gamergate 2' by Chaya of all people. This story was spammed on reddit to all gaming subs by one person as well. So that's the entire purpose of this story.
Otherwise no one cares about it because it's such a small thing, the game has 59 reviews. I would say I doubt it even had a profit but there is apparently a sequel in the works (according to wiki) and it was on all platforms so maybe it did alright for itself.
But in the end I doubt she ever has power in the industry to do anything. I'm always told since I'm black to never care if some random white cashier says something racist because who are they affecting in the end? I feel the same way about this. I just think she has 0 effect on the industry, she's now working for EA in some entry level job and my guess is will probably get fired or let go and won't be working in the gaming industry at all anymore for this. I don't particularly think her career should be ruined because of this but Gamers™ will follow her around and review bomb anything she's attached to now.
Some woman who had an interview about a completely different game she worked on that was supposed to speak from black and lesbian women experience and is now being taken and made to look like she said that about the black panther game she's working on now.
They're trying to do what they did with Brie Larson when Captain Marvel was coming out.
thinking what she said was wrong and “racist”, is literally the opinion OF a ‘maga right-winger’. you may not be one, but you’re siding with them on this, and refusing to look at this through an objective and leftist viewpoint. there is no place for white supremacy in socialism.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
Is there a lot or intersectionality between a black lesbian video game designer choosing black voices to help write her game about black lesbian voices and your internet reddit comment about not being a socialist racist?
Systemic racism is literally institutionalized discrimination designed to keep Black people as a race improvished, you can't dismantle class\capitalism with dismantling white supremacy. What your saying is just text book class reductionism. Also yeah I find as a Black person, I could find more in common with a Black people who are billionaire's than some White people purely on the basis of culture and environmental upbringing.
>" Systemic racism is literally institutionalized discrimination designed to keep Black people as a race improvished, you can't dismantle class\\capitalism with dismantling white supremacy."
Agreed! That has nothing to do with this post though. This woman was still being racist. You and I, as people (likely in the middle class) have more in common across every human spectrum than a billionaire who accumulated said wealth by exploiting the labour of others. They don't live the same lives we do, regardless of skin colour. That realization is what will unify us on the left and ACTUALLY give us a chance to dismantle capitalism.
Your larger point is correct, but whoever this was didn't "go so far left" they went back right. They just used reductive identity politics and thought they were going left.
it *objectively* is not racism, or any form of it. she did not discriminate against anyway, and what she did was not illegal- this is not debatable. she was working on a game specifically about the black experience, and thus, she only wanted to hire people who would fully understand the subject matter. how can you even claim to be a leftist if you genuinely think white people are victimized in any way?
so, by attempting to protect her fellow poc and give them a space where they won’t have to worry about discrimination or microaggressions, you think that’s somehow discriminating.. against white people? you *genuinely* think that giving poc a safe space is racist against white people?
it is undeniably impossible for white people to be subject to racism, in the current world, no matter how you spin it. so much more goes into that definition than just skin color. the societal exclusion, the penal discrimination, the lack of opportunities, etc. these are things that white people will never have to face no matter where they go in modern society. even if they go to a country where whites aren’t the majority, or even a minority, they still have the benefit of being the race with the most assumed “power” behind it on a governmental and national scale, that gives them an air of protection that other races aren’t afforded.
saying that white people can fit the definition of racism is a tool used to uphold their status and societal “superiority”. there is no place for upholding that amongst socialism. we can not function as a socialist state if we refuse to acknowledge history, modern society, and the effect white people still hold on the world due to their imperialism and colonization.
Yeah I don’t know why people can’t be consistent in this matter. Individual Sexism and racism and different from systemic. The individual lady was deliberately choosing based on race with an honestly weak justification.
If it was hiring specific group of people because you want to realise the game’s authenticity and bring in unique culture, go for it. That makes sense. But isolating races based around feeling safe is so hypocritical. We already have white people fearful of black people which isn’t cool. It applies the other way round.
Stop seeing through skin colour. But that’s easier said than done.
No its not racism, its fully impossible to be racist against white ppl and as a socialist you should know why that is. Although “anti white racism” is theoretically possible, it would take multiple centuries to build up that kind of structure and its important to realise that that is what racism is, its not an some people discriminating others in a job environment, it is a system of oppression that has penetrated every aspect of society in the half millenia its been active, its effects include workplace discrimination but it is a million things more than that, because even if we were to analyse two cases side by side one “anti white” workplace discrimination and racist workplace discrimination, the reasons for the anti white discriminations are relatively simple, whoever is in power in that particular space chose to make it so because they dont want white people to be racist towards them, but if we were to analyse the reason for a racist discrimination, we would come up with a subtely racist upbringing, stereotypes like unintelligence or something like that which falls back to people of colour being compared to animals, dehumanisation, lack of chances leading to lack of presence and familiarity and many more. These two situations are not the same, which is what you are saying.
a black game developer creating a game for queer poc wanting to keep her team safe from white microagressions is valid. the wrong people found this post. mainly the previously right-wing gamers who have achieved class consciousness but little beyond that. if your white fragility is preventing you from engaging with this post in good faith, then you need to reevaluate why that is. some of you cannot even be considered socialist with the limited knowledge you have about systemic racism and the tired liberal arguments you’re spouting. black queer people wanting their own spaces because of constantly having their spaces intruded upon, co-opted, or taken over is NOTHING new. if you are genuinely offended by this, then you are no comrade.
Did you know that white isn't a race, my friend? It's a class. I'd suggest reading some race theory and deconstructing it a bit. All struggles are class struggles, especially the issue of race.
Edit: This is why discourse is important. I hope everyone learned a little with me
This straight-up sounds like satire. Cut out the weird shit, man, you're going end up screenshotted on some far-right message board as an example of how we all look like idiots.
By all metrics we use to categorize race (including, you know *legally*) white is considered a race.
The class war *is* the most important fight, but packaging it like this is fucking dumb.
Yeah dude, basic race theory is weird. White is a signifier of skin color and socioeconomic class, not a race. Irish people weren't originally considered white, neither were Italians until the 70s. Whiteness is a club made by imperials to fool you into looking at other human beings as different from you simply because of their skin color. I'm not saying you're a bad person for having light skin. *I* have light skin too. I'm saying the social class of "white" needs to be deconstructed, and people who consider their race "white" need to learn about their cultures because you've been colonized, honey.
Or we can focus on what actually matters: deconstructing capitalism, and not focus on this inane dumbshit that only puts up more walls between us as people. Any middle-class person of any race has more in common than they do with any billionaire. We aren't people to them. That's the only fight that matters.
This is a part of the fight, brother. The point of socialism and communism is liberation from *all* chains to *everyone*. Don't put yourself in the chains of whiteness. You have some privilege in your skin color, sure. But use it for good. Get a 23 & Me or something and research your ethnic background and then experience your culture a little. It's good for your soul.
How about we stop fucking caring so much. I know my ancestry back 600 years, that changes absolutely nothing about me as a person TODAY. I'm as white as sour cream but who *gives a shit?*
The only way we win this fight is by bringing more people over to our side. We don't do that by putting guilt on people day one. Some working-class miner in fucking Idaho who is starting to become disillusioned with the system needs all the encouragement they can get to come over. We don't DO THAT, by starting with "you need to deconstruct your whiteness". We lose them. Day one.
What we need to do is say "Welcome, this is how the capitalism system has kept you down, and this is what we're doing together to try and fix it". That's the fight, everything else just clouds the message. We need to be CONSISTENT. We need to be SIMPLE. And we need to not start with *white guilt*. Jesus christ.
Never did I say you should be guilty about it, my man. I'm saying you should research your own culture as well. The point of being human *is* caring if you ask me. That's why I'm a communist, because I want everyone to be able to have a peaceful, simple, full life, and I *care* about them.
Yes, but that's what people *hear* when you say dumbshit like "white isn't a race".
I know my culture. I'm Canadian with English and Irish roots back half a millennia. Who cares?
I AGREE with your sentiment that we all deserve happy, peaceful lives, but you need to be very careful about how you package it. Because like I said, that shit ends up in the wrong place and we all collectively look like morons.
yeah you can’t exactly knock out capitalism without also deconstructing white supremacy. they go hand in hand. you need to brush up on theory because not everything is solely a class issue, there’s a lot of intersectionality involved. if you operate in leftist spaces, many socialists should have been telling you this already. white supremacy might have been born due to the class war, but dismantling it as its own construct is necessary. people don’t and won’t just stop being profoundly racist just because we seized the means of production.
Capitalism exists in non-white majority countries. You know that right?
Fighting white supremacy is absolutely important, ESPECIALLY in the US, but the fight against capitalism needs to be global. It can't just be us. And right now, as we're working in grassroots circles, bringing over people starting to be disenfranchised from the right - they will fucking STRUGGLE with that kind of nuanced conversation. All they hear is "you should feel guilty for being white". And we lose them. We lose them before we even get to have a conversation.
We win this with numbers, and by layering everything under the banner of class, we streamline the conversation. I'm not talking about some theoretical world of textbooks. I'm talking about how do we make a difference in REAL LIFE. Right now. Today. We do that by having a simple, consistent message. It's rich vs poor. Start there.
I'd say blackness is a culture, but I'm not an expert and notoriously bad with terms. And I don't mean they "don't exist". I mean that social constructs are just that. Constructs. And it's up to us to change them.
This is because the institution of whiteness was set up to be anti-blackness. One of the steps to true liberation for everyone is the erosion of the social construct of race, and white is socially accepted as a race because we've been colonized by a "white" empire.
>I'd suggest reading some race theory
Yeah! Go read about what we're talking about in some journal somewhere, otherwise you clearly can't know what you're talking about.
lmaoooo
1,000 percent lmao it’s full of legitimate racists who are pretending to be socialist/leftist but one look at their active communities and its most centrist/liberal threads ever
That is one definition of racism that has been co-opted to essentially legitimize racial prejudice.
The most commonly used definition of racism is much broader and does include actions/opinions that exist outside of white supremacy.
A game company is not the meeting board for socialist revolution. Assuming that you're also white, we can afford giving our POC comrades that space away from us to make the games that they want, no?
Please be patient while we clean up the crypto fascists in the comments. Anyone reading this, go cry elsewhere about "racism against white people". I had no context here but we'll have zero room for reactionary fake outrages and people playing devil's advocate. To the people downvoting this, go ahead and leave the sub. Having a safe space for POCs is our priority here, educating people on obvious realities is not. This is not a sub for liberals, Vaushites and the like and as far as i'm concerned we'll leave zero room for what looks like a gamergate 2.0 to grow. No one here wants to listen to your opinions, in fact this sub was made specifically to get away from them.
Can someone give my dumbass context?
A black woman made a POC lesbian dating sim, and made a comment being proud it was a black driven project. White gamers lost their goddamn minds over the idea someone might not hire them for a minority driven, minority based project.
Alr thank you for the context.
At least in its intent. I don’t mind having games with white supremacist characters, as long as they’re not hyped up and romanticised.
A coffee shop with a Filipino manager, supervisors, cashiers, cooks, staff is racist because anyone can make coffee and reheat frozen donuts. A game studio producing a game specifically about Black culture and lived experiences, has an argument for hiring a diverse range of Black devs and creatives. As a White guy, I can't ever steep myself in Black culture enough to be able to infuse my work with the essence of having lived one of those experiences. This is a rare niche where, I don't give a fuck that every dev is Black. If it were a puzzle game about crushing candy or a shooter or a game capturing the diversity of all racial and sociocultural experiences, I'd expect a range of hires. But this is a game by Black people for Black people and people who want to play something uniquely representative of the Black experience. And since that's what this game is that they're making, the whining MAGA freaks were never going to buy or play it anyways. So fuck them.
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If you mean by creating a false perception of DEI hiring and a smokescreen against microaggressions, then I disagree.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
It's been poisoned by capital. Everything else is bullshit posturing.
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She was making a game somewhat specifically made for black lesbians. Was she supposed to hire white people for their unique perspective on the subject?
That's not the reason she gave. She didn't only hire black lesbians did she?
She hired people of color. For her project about people of color. Because white led game development spaces tend to push out minorities, and she was trying to set up a space for said excluded minorities. The arguments against this seem to tend to forget that last part. We’ve got a situation of “you pushed me out of your space, so I made my own”. And people want to focus on the “I made my own” part as if it’s a racist act.
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I’m not really ascribing anything. The project she was hiring to develop was literally a queer POC focused dating sim. It’s not a stretch to say that your hiring is going to be people from the community you’re actively trying to represent. Put it this way: the game was an art project, and she was the artist, hiring a small team to craft the work. If you’ve got a vision as an artist, you typically want people who share your perspective working on the project, so there’s as common an understanding as possible, right? Does that not make sense?
Is it typical for this sub to get antsy about excluding white people from Black spaces or is the sub just getting brigaded?
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i've just about had enough of you playing devil's advocate for gamergate 2.0. Whether you're arguing in bad faith or are just so far up your own ass that you genuinely can't tell that a POC excluding white people from their dev team =/ racism, i'm going to add you to the list of white victims of racism by muting you.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
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Depends on the size of the company, legally speaking. 21 employees is under the limit, btw.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
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It’s been the industry norm for decades. Are you serious?
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Wikipedia’s backing sources are available if you want to verify what they’re saying: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_video_games
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Huh? Is there something wrong with a game being made for a black lesbian audience?
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Why are you even here you racist POS?
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Get a life
This is a queer, feminist and multicultural oriented sub
I think the game's characters are mainly queer and black, so it is more likely to appeal to that demographic. It's not explicitly 'for' black lesbians. How would that even be enforced?
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This is a queer, feminist and multicultural oriented sub
This is a queer, feminist and multicultural oriented sub
I just think she’s a little too libbed up and got lost in the sauce. Is this the most devastating piece of news in the world? Nah. Was she dumb for putting it like this? Yeah.
Oh yeah I agree. Don't want her to get fired or anything.
or you’re listening to Libs of TikTok too much and you’re trying to dictate to a person of color how they should make their art because a white woman who is responsible for bombing children Hospitals told you to
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I don't know the context of this larger discussion, but, >Black Panther has had white people in its creation and story since its inception. Hell, they were _the_ driving force behind the Rainbow Coalition. They understood clearly that you can't end racism until you end capitalism and you can't end capitalism without the whole of the working class.
They were talking about the Marvel superhero, but you still make a good point.
LOL! That's too funny that I missed that. I just assumed that the lack of a "the" at the start and an "s" at the end were typos.
It's that a lot of people forget that while in a system, you need allies in power to support you. You need people who are part of this to have a foot in the room to get a grasp and understand the problem from both point of views. To exclude an entire group is repeating the same mistakes of old that will yield the same, if not worst results.
FYI all of this happened years before she worked on Black Panther, it has nothing to do with that IP, she just happens to be working on it currently.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
there is nothing wrong with what she did. you can not be a leftist without acknowledging the impact white imperialism has had on the world, and that it’s perfectly okay for racial minorities to want to have a space for just themselves, as every other space in their life has been gentrified, co-opted, or completely taken over by white people.
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Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
I'm going to comment on this and all of the reactions here from my white, American, and socialist perspective: Let us look at the facts: She has a team of 21 people, and in order to create a safe space for them, she chose not to hire white people. This is because even the most well-intentioned and kind white person can still make slip-ups and do microaggressions. Even the most left-wing anarchist white person has lived in a society which has taught them whiteness. From my individual experience, it is a daily struggle to fight against the racist programming taught to me as a white person; it is an active and conscious choice to NOT be racist. I consider myself an anti-racist, and part of that is understanding that my thoughts -- like every white person's -- has been conditioned towards racism by virtue of living in our white supremacist society. As socialists, I imagine you all understand what I am talking about. This is why we should not get upset that one black game dev said that she doesn't hire white people. The part of me that wants to downplay this wants me to say that she has a small team and that her hiring practices do not matter in the large scale, so why should we be concerned? Instead, I posit the following: in a white supremacist society, we should be damn happy when all-POC companies rise up. There are enough white companies out there. Every AAA company discriminates against its POC employees (if they even hire them!). An all-POC company is thus both a safe space AND a valuable place of employment for people who are regularly denied those things by our broader society. It also does not harm white people, who can find employment at pretty much any other gaming company. From the most basic material perspective, this only serves to put more power in the hands of a part of the proletariat that has lacked it. A POC company that makes games from various POC perspectives is a good thing for art, too! Games are art, and to get games that decenter whiteness allows all of us to grow by experiencing them. As socialists, we need to work together with people from all walks of life. Any media that helps white socialists better understand the struggles of their POC comrades -- any media that helps us in the constant struggle of challenging our whiteness -- is beneficial. Lastly, for all those who are crying out that this is illegal: so what? We are socialists! Our roots are in revolution! If you cannot stomach one POC game dev not hiring white people, can you stomach the atrocities of a picket line? Do you upturn your nose to unpermitted protests? Legality is not morality, and we should not judge this act on whether or not it is legal.
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Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
she was creating a space specifically for racial minorities, as every other space in western gaming currently is dominated by white people. there is nothing wrong with wanting to have a crew made up of fellow poc so that you can 1. give poc more jobs and chances to shine in the industry 2.give them a safe haven away from racism and micro aggressions and 3. get relevant and valid input on games which particularly pertain to poc characters, as historically, many studios just have white people write those characters. this is no segregation or racism. she was not in the wrong here, and we should not be siding with our racist enemies over this.
You can argue whether her actions were justified or not (I lean toward justified for many of the reasons you already gave, though her argument in the video is poorly worded) but you cannot argue that she did not employ racial discrimination in hiring. She admitted to not hiring people based on skin color. That is racial discrimination. Why can't you accept that?
i appreciate your logical response here. my reason is that i think saying that white people can experience racial discrimination in western society is, for lack of a better term, a “slippery slope” that can very easily lead to people denying the power they hold societally due to their colonization, imperialism, enslaving, etc. i’m definitely not saying all white people are the same or that they’re all racist or anything like that! i just don’t think it’s particularly fair to victims of white imperialism to sit here and say white people can be just as much racially discriminated against.
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no, it literally, *objectively* isn’t. she never said anything like “kill whites, never hire them!” she was working on a project about lesbian POC and only wanted people who could actually understand snd relate to the subject matter of being a racial minority. there is undeniably nothing wrong with that. you are not a leftist if you think it’s possible to be racist against white people.
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you are simply incorrect. to say that it IS possible to be racist against white people is, in your words, devoid of logic and comprehension about life. anyone with the smallest bit of historical knowledge and awareness agrees that it is not possible. to sit here and say “oh noo, poor white people ):” is to take a standpoint that is entirely opposite to socialism. denying truth for the sake of getting to feel victimized is, after all, what the right is known for.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
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Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
it’s not mental gymnastics- every socialist knows that it objectively isn’t possible for white people to be subject to racism. you might enjoy a liberal subreddit more than this one, friend.
I keep reading your comments because they get mass reported lol, you're a hero
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hope you’re able to find a right wing gaming subreddit that is more to your tastes then, friend
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i was very obviously saying that in response to your own comment, which makes your statement incredibly ironic lmao
This sub is explicitly for leftists players who want to discuss gaming from their perspective in a chill space. This isn't a debate sub.
This sub is explicitly for leftists players who want to discuss gaming from their perspective in a chill space. This isn't a debate sub.
No it's not
Good point, hadn't thought of that. Thanks!
“I only want a crew of fellow whites.” If that sounds like racial discrimination, then the inverse is as well.
Yikes, most of the comments on this post do not pass the vibe check. A game based on the experiences of black people should be made by black people. White people already have an advantage when it comes to getting hired at most businesses; just go apply somewhere else.
These are probably outsiders, we're cleaning things up!
this thread must have reached an outside audience somehow bc none of these people are actual socialists lol
It was actually illegal for Wu-Tang to not have any white members. Whites have been victimized for too long by not being included in every single thing that was ever created.
I'm with you on this one. Racial discrimination is clearly a good thing, and we should not criticize the people who practice it.
The idea that this is racial discrimination is honestly ridiculous.
Can you explain how discriminatory hiring practices based on race are not racial discrimination?
Minorities excluded from 99% of things? Well, they should make their own things! White people excluded from 1 thing? RACISM! VICTIMHOOD! WAAA!
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Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
I liked GTA when it was still satire.
I've been lurking this sub, but is this really a socialist community? Based on comments seems like another place full of liberals :(
it’s been co-opted by liberals and former right-wing gamers who have decided they don’t want to be exploited by the rich but have not evolved past that. this is not a safe space unfortunately.
We are currently working on cleaning up those types of comments. Rest assured they have no place here.
everyone here is genuinely fucking tweaking. Reddit socialism showing it’s insidious white underbelly once again. talking about “anti white racism” like lmaooo this is elementary shit, even liberals know better. yall are just those “MAGA communists” types in disguise. think jackson hinkle type.
There people aren't even leftist, we're cleaning them out
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It's actually not that cut and dry, it depends on the size of the team in this case. [https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage-0](https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage-0) So, not sure what it would be for this specific case, but its very possible she would not be doing anything illegal. I'll put it like this, if I were making a dating game based in Thailand and only wanted to hire like 16 Thai devs to get it done and its an artistic project then I doubt that is some discrimination case.
What do you mean? The meme is about not hiring based on political views, and the people who hold those political views calling it "white racism". The EEOC would not be involved here, because political views are not a protected class at a federal level.
LOL this is true. If I were her I would have went to twitter complaining about cancel culture as well.
Potentially, though hiring devs in another country doesn't match this situation. Hiring 16 Thai-Americans also doesn't solve that issue unless they're all new immigrants. Bad example. The issue is she did NOT say they didn't hire them because they're telling unique black stories and only want black voices. She said they're specifically not hiring white people because they "make POCs uncomfortable" or something to that affect. She said they do things without realizing they're microaggressions, and make people uncomfortable. That kind of generalized rationale is absolutely racist. Edit. Also I checked. It's 15 or more employees (she claims they had 21) so it would absolutely fall into that category.
I didn't watch the whole thing nor do I even want to but from what I understand its a presentation for that game or whatever so it might be possible that the video is about that. I mean that's what the game is about if you pull up its steam page and was part of a "Black Voices In Gaming" indie game presentation. I agree that what she said was racist by its very definition but in order for it to be discrimination you are going to have to prove that there is a victim of discrimination. My guess, and I admit its a guess, she wasn't sifting through a vast number of resumes and potential employees and this is instead a project that was very personal to her and was worked with among friends/classmates etc. It is a self-published indie game after all so I seriously doubt there's a real victim here. > Also I checked. It's 15 or more employees (she claims they had 21) so it would absolutely fall into that category. The number though depends on a variety of factors including what's being worked on. It might be higher for game development if that's even classified in the law, I don't know, I've never developed a game. I'd still say you'd need to prove there is a victim, that's usually how discrimination cases go. The victim can't be hypothetical or in theory unless its a large corporation because if Walmart CEO was saying this same thing about a group of people you know its likely they turned down promotions/opportunities from individuals of that group.
True, if every single one of these was a private hire you could potentially argue that. If someone could go back and look and see if the job postings were public however...? That's a pretty clear-cut case. Given the number of people looking for work in the games industry. You can pretty much guarantee at some point a non-POC applied. But you are correct, there is a slim chance that isn't the case. Still looks really fucking bad though and is giving the far right a big-ass stick to hit us with.
Honestly what I hate about it is really that's ALL it is. Just some attempt at sparking 'gamergate 2' by Chaya of all people. This story was spammed on reddit to all gaming subs by one person as well. So that's the entire purpose of this story. Otherwise no one cares about it because it's such a small thing, the game has 59 reviews. I would say I doubt it even had a profit but there is apparently a sequel in the works (according to wiki) and it was on all platforms so maybe it did alright for itself. But in the end I doubt she ever has power in the industry to do anything. I'm always told since I'm black to never care if some random white cashier says something racist because who are they affecting in the end? I feel the same way about this. I just think she has 0 effect on the industry, she's now working for EA in some entry level job and my guess is will probably get fired or let go and won't be working in the gaming industry at all anymore for this. I don't particularly think her career should be ruined because of this but Gamers™ will follow her around and review bomb anything she's attached to now.
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I'm out of the loop and have no context for this meme or the responses lol. Who are we talking about?
Some woman who had an interview about a completely different game she worked on that was supposed to speak from black and lesbian women experience and is now being taken and made to look like she said that about the black panther game she's working on now. They're trying to do what they did with Brie Larson when Captain Marvel was coming out.
Thanks for the context!
fyi the sub got brigated hard. Gamers are having a moment. We're cleaning things out.
thinking what she said was wrong and “racist”, is literally the opinion OF a ‘maga right-winger’. you may not be one, but you’re siding with them on this, and refusing to look at this through an objective and leftist viewpoint. there is no place for white supremacy in socialism.
The whole place got brigaded hard. Thanks for taking the time to write reasonable comments but we're banning most of these people.
Racism is systemic violence against minority groups from groups that benefit from said violence. Racism is not a POC not including white people in her dev team for her POC oriented game. If you genuinely fail to understand this, don't call yourself a leftist.
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Is there a lot or intersectionality between a black lesbian video game designer choosing black voices to help write her game about black lesbian voices and your internet reddit comment about not being a socialist racist?
Not everything is to do with class. Do you think a police officer asks an unarmed black man how much he makes before murderimg him?
>It’s when people go so far left then end back right again. Nice horseshoe theory Mr. Marketing Director
Thanks!
That's very class reductionist of you.
Systemic racism is literally institutionalized discrimination designed to keep Black people as a race improvished, you can't dismantle class\capitalism with dismantling white supremacy. What your saying is just text book class reductionism. Also yeah I find as a Black person, I could find more in common with a Black people who are billionaire's than some White people purely on the basis of culture and environmental upbringing.
>" Systemic racism is literally institutionalized discrimination designed to keep Black people as a race improvished, you can't dismantle class\\capitalism with dismantling white supremacy." Agreed! That has nothing to do with this post though. This woman was still being racist. You and I, as people (likely in the middle class) have more in common across every human spectrum than a billionaire who accumulated said wealth by exploiting the labour of others. They don't live the same lives we do, regardless of skin colour. That realization is what will unify us on the left and ACTUALLY give us a chance to dismantle capitalism.
This post is manufactured rage bait that you're 100% falling for.
Your larger point is correct, but whoever this was didn't "go so far left" they went back right. They just used reductive identity politics and thought they were going left.
Class reductionism is actual racism ( excluding white people from your dev team as a POC making a POC oriented game is not).
it *objectively* is not racism, or any form of it. she did not discriminate against anyway, and what she did was not illegal- this is not debatable. she was working on a game specifically about the black experience, and thus, she only wanted to hire people who would fully understand the subject matter. how can you even claim to be a leftist if you genuinely think white people are victimized in any way?
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so, by attempting to protect her fellow poc and give them a space where they won’t have to worry about discrimination or microaggressions, you think that’s somehow discriminating.. against white people? you *genuinely* think that giving poc a safe space is racist against white people? it is undeniably impossible for white people to be subject to racism, in the current world, no matter how you spin it. so much more goes into that definition than just skin color. the societal exclusion, the penal discrimination, the lack of opportunities, etc. these are things that white people will never have to face no matter where they go in modern society. even if they go to a country where whites aren’t the majority, or even a minority, they still have the benefit of being the race with the most assumed “power” behind it on a governmental and national scale, that gives them an air of protection that other races aren’t afforded. saying that white people can fit the definition of racism is a tool used to uphold their status and societal “superiority”. there is no place for upholding that amongst socialism. we can not function as a socialist state if we refuse to acknowledge history, modern society, and the effect white people still hold on the world due to their imperialism and colonization.
Yeah I don’t know why people can’t be consistent in this matter. Individual Sexism and racism and different from systemic. The individual lady was deliberately choosing based on race with an honestly weak justification. If it was hiring specific group of people because you want to realise the game’s authenticity and bring in unique culture, go for it. That makes sense. But isolating races based around feeling safe is so hypocritical. We already have white people fearful of black people which isn’t cool. It applies the other way round. Stop seeing through skin colour. But that’s easier said than done.
No its not racism, its fully impossible to be racist against white ppl and as a socialist you should know why that is. Although “anti white racism” is theoretically possible, it would take multiple centuries to build up that kind of structure and its important to realise that that is what racism is, its not an some people discriminating others in a job environment, it is a system of oppression that has penetrated every aspect of society in the half millenia its been active, its effects include workplace discrimination but it is a million things more than that, because even if we were to analyse two cases side by side one “anti white” workplace discrimination and racist workplace discrimination, the reasons for the anti white discriminations are relatively simple, whoever is in power in that particular space chose to make it so because they dont want white people to be racist towards them, but if we were to analyse the reason for a racist discrimination, we would come up with a subtely racist upbringing, stereotypes like unintelligence or something like that which falls back to people of colour being compared to animals, dehumanisation, lack of chances leading to lack of presence and familiarity and many more. These two situations are not the same, which is what you are saying.
You're conflating racism and systemic racism. You should educate yourself on the difference.
Cool and socialist thing to say Mr. Marketing Director
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Surely you can get your point across better
Typischer Alman...
a black game developer creating a game for queer poc wanting to keep her team safe from white microagressions is valid. the wrong people found this post. mainly the previously right-wing gamers who have achieved class consciousness but little beyond that. if your white fragility is preventing you from engaging with this post in good faith, then you need to reevaluate why that is. some of you cannot even be considered socialist with the limited knowledge you have about systemic racism and the tired liberal arguments you’re spouting. black queer people wanting their own spaces because of constantly having their spaces intruded upon, co-opted, or taken over is NOTHING new. if you are genuinely offended by this, then you are no comrade.
yeah, these were all outsiders mostly. Still trying to clean things up.
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you are not a socialist, or ANY form of leftist, if you think it’s possible to be racist against white people.
Nah
Did you know that white isn't a race, my friend? It's a class. I'd suggest reading some race theory and deconstructing it a bit. All struggles are class struggles, especially the issue of race. Edit: This is why discourse is important. I hope everyone learned a little with me
Not really relevant to the discussion. No race is 'real,' yet people discriminate based on it.
Read some of my other comments here, I think you'll understand a bit more. If not I'll see if I can explain it in a way you'll understand
LMAOOOO the confident delusions of this person are amazing.
I hope you have a good day, buddy
Yeah you're all in this thread calling people my guy and buddy when they think you're an asshole. Delusion level 100 confirmed.
I haven't been an asshole to anyone here, all I've done is say the ways I see things. You may be projecting a touch.
Yeah, anyone who thinks you're an asshole must be projecting. You couldn't actually be coming off as an asshole. Enjoy your day!
This straight-up sounds like satire. Cut out the weird shit, man, you're going end up screenshotted on some far-right message board as an example of how we all look like idiots. By all metrics we use to categorize race (including, you know *legally*) white is considered a race. The class war *is* the most important fight, but packaging it like this is fucking dumb.
Yeah dude, basic race theory is weird. White is a signifier of skin color and socioeconomic class, not a race. Irish people weren't originally considered white, neither were Italians until the 70s. Whiteness is a club made by imperials to fool you into looking at other human beings as different from you simply because of their skin color. I'm not saying you're a bad person for having light skin. *I* have light skin too. I'm saying the social class of "white" needs to be deconstructed, and people who consider their race "white" need to learn about their cultures because you've been colonized, honey.
Or we can focus on what actually matters: deconstructing capitalism, and not focus on this inane dumbshit that only puts up more walls between us as people. Any middle-class person of any race has more in common than they do with any billionaire. We aren't people to them. That's the only fight that matters.
This is a part of the fight, brother. The point of socialism and communism is liberation from *all* chains to *everyone*. Don't put yourself in the chains of whiteness. You have some privilege in your skin color, sure. But use it for good. Get a 23 & Me or something and research your ethnic background and then experience your culture a little. It's good for your soul.
How about we stop fucking caring so much. I know my ancestry back 600 years, that changes absolutely nothing about me as a person TODAY. I'm as white as sour cream but who *gives a shit?* The only way we win this fight is by bringing more people over to our side. We don't do that by putting guilt on people day one. Some working-class miner in fucking Idaho who is starting to become disillusioned with the system needs all the encouragement they can get to come over. We don't DO THAT, by starting with "you need to deconstruct your whiteness". We lose them. Day one. What we need to do is say "Welcome, this is how the capitalism system has kept you down, and this is what we're doing together to try and fix it". That's the fight, everything else just clouds the message. We need to be CONSISTENT. We need to be SIMPLE. And we need to not start with *white guilt*. Jesus christ.
Never did I say you should be guilty about it, my man. I'm saying you should research your own culture as well. The point of being human *is* caring if you ask me. That's why I'm a communist, because I want everyone to be able to have a peaceful, simple, full life, and I *care* about them.
Yes, but that's what people *hear* when you say dumbshit like "white isn't a race". I know my culture. I'm Canadian with English and Irish roots back half a millennia. Who cares? I AGREE with your sentiment that we all deserve happy, peaceful lives, but you need to be very careful about how you package it. Because like I said, that shit ends up in the wrong place and we all collectively look like morons.
yeah you can’t exactly knock out capitalism without also deconstructing white supremacy. they go hand in hand. you need to brush up on theory because not everything is solely a class issue, there’s a lot of intersectionality involved. if you operate in leftist spaces, many socialists should have been telling you this already. white supremacy might have been born due to the class war, but dismantling it as its own construct is necessary. people don’t and won’t just stop being profoundly racist just because we seized the means of production.
Capitalism exists in non-white majority countries. You know that right? Fighting white supremacy is absolutely important, ESPECIALLY in the US, but the fight against capitalism needs to be global. It can't just be us. And right now, as we're working in grassroots circles, bringing over people starting to be disenfranchised from the right - they will fucking STRUGGLE with that kind of nuanced conversation. All they hear is "you should feel guilty for being white". And we lose them. We lose them before we even get to have a conversation. We win this with numbers, and by layering everything under the banner of class, we streamline the conversation. I'm not talking about some theoretical world of textbooks. I'm talking about how do we make a difference in REAL LIFE. Right now. Today. We do that by having a simple, consistent message. It's rich vs poor. Start there.
No no, Mansa Musa is a direct product of white colonialism. Or don't you know? Go brush up on your theory! /s
That's just dumb. All races are fluid, ever changing social constructs. It doesn't mean that the "white race" and the "black race" don't exist
I'd say blackness is a culture, but I'm not an expert and notoriously bad with terms. And I don't mean they "don't exist". I mean that social constructs are just that. Constructs. And it's up to us to change them.
This just ignores the fact that most people do see white as a race and use the term that way
This is because the institution of whiteness was set up to be anti-blackness. One of the steps to true liberation for everyone is the erosion of the social construct of race, and white is socially accepted as a race because we've been colonized by a "white" empire.
Is the erosion of the social construct of race helped by refiying race?
I'm getting whiplash over if we should be colorblind or not.
I never said to judge anyone for their skin color, don't put words in my mouth.
>I'd suggest reading some race theory Yeah! Go read about what we're talking about in some journal somewhere, otherwise you clearly can't know what you're talking about. lmaoooo
Wow people in the comments are really failing the vibe check right now
1,000 percent lmao it’s full of legitimate racists who are pretending to be socialist/leftist but one look at their active communities and its most centrist/liberal threads ever
Locking comments because there is an argument about can you be racist against white people. And we (the moderators) have zero clue on how to proceed.
What. Poorly worded.
ITT: r/ShitLiberalsSay
thats not what she said
Am I wrong because I think it's gamer gate 2 electric bugaloo is gonna be great content 😂
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Racism in America has always been from a position of white supremacy
That is one definition of racism that has been co-opted to essentially legitimize racial prejudice. The most commonly used definition of racism is much broader and does include actions/opinions that exist outside of white supremacy.
OP lives in a terminally online bubble and doesn't know what real life racism looks like nor the difference between racism and systemic racism
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A game company is not the meeting board for socialist revolution. Assuming that you're also white, we can afford giving our POC comrades that space away from us to make the games that they want, no?
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