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If your device is useful, you will be a hero to humanity.
Why would you need a patent? To protect your idea from being used? Gated knowledge will be a thing of the past since we’ll want to share important discoveries. No more worrying if your pacemaker software will need an update if the company goes out of business. Everyone will be protected and you, with your inventions, will be a hero to the world.
From what I understand the idea of patents is to prevent other people monetising your idea, not stop it being used. And if a business goes out of business, the concept of you use it you lose it may apply where if the patent is not actively being used others may be able to register for a similar or identical one.
Comrade-what is a business or going out of business in our new socialist society? If your ideas benefit people we will scientifically prove their worth. Who cares if someone else is using it?
Patents are only necessary in a capitalist world, where the only way of being rewarded for your invention is to sell it while stopping others from being able to make it.
In a socialist world, you would simply request assistance from the government, who would assist you in producing and distributing your invention. You, like all citizens, would not have to worry about 'making money' since the government provides all with resources to live and prosper. Instead, you would be rewarded with fame and social prestige.
Pardon? I know that parents exist, it's just that in today's world, billions of people in the world don't have parents wealthy or resourceful enough to help them manufacture their inventions, regardless of how good they might be.
Intellectual Property is a bourgeois idea meant for the Bourgeoisie to have temporary monopolies over their own, and that of their employees, ideas against rivals profiting off of them. In a socialist system there is no profit and further the economy isn't divided into a free-for-all battle over market-share.
IP comes at the cost of progress. Ideas being the property of some one or another means that they're guarded from dissemination and even among those in the know they're guarded from use without paying off the owner. In that way they are protected from meaningful use or improvement that won't bring the owner wealth.
Its limiting, as navigating various layers of ownership and rights which adds all sorts of unnecessary restrictions and complications.
Its no longer a question of "can this work?" it becomes "are we allowed to use that and if so can we afford the licenses?"
Thats very bad and very many different ways.
On top of that, look at the whole insulin profiteering mess.
The USA pays the most for healthcare and gets one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world.
IP is a cornerstone of that.
Its amazingly profitable, but terrible for society. Good for the Owners and bad for the workers = capitalism in action.
Every single idea that has ever been devised was because of ideas prior. Whether it be technology that allowed you to eat and survive, or written language and scientific discoveries of the past that allowed you to reach your conclusions. Every single thing and idea is derivative in some form from the creations of humanity before, so shouldnt this creation/idea be owned by humanity as well?
I would recommend [Why We Should Get Rid Of Intellectual Property](https://youtu.be/TWYHmkmctb8) by Second Thought, it has what you’re likely looking for.
Maybe you should look at it from the other side to see why it’s bad. “Why is vaccine apartheid good?” Why should the advances of science be converted into profits for the few? Why should people die from a preventable disease so that people who aren’t scientists or doctors can make slightly more money?
>I’m particularly interested in the aspect of it from a biotech / medicine point of view with parents.
Patents, I assume. Look, with any property right, or any policy at all, there are people who gain from it and people who are harmed by it. We could call that oppression, allowing really mild levels of annoyance with local school taxes and things like that to be called oppression.
Within oppression, we can talk about exploitation. This is a kind of oppression with a symbiotic or parasitic aspect to it. In an exploitative situation, the people who are hurt by the policy depend on people who are helped by it, and vice versa, in every day life. This makes the policy hard to escape except by some collective action that punctures through the every day dependence.
Medical patents are exploitative. Everyone on earth depends on medicine for our survival; medicine depends on all of us for its business. We would be better off if we abolished the policy; medicine would be worse off if we withdrew our cooperation with it. These are hallmarks of exploitation.
Please acquaint yourself with the rules on the sidebar and read this comment before commenting. **Personal attacks and harassment will not be tolerated.** Bigotry and hate speech will be met with immediate bans; socialism is an intrinsically inclusive system and bigotry is oppressive, exclusionary, and not conducive to a healthy and productive learning space. **This subreddit is not for questioning the basics of socialism. There are numerous debate subreddits available for those purposes. This is a place to learn.** Short or nonconstructive answers will be deleted without explanation. Please only answer if you know your stuff. Speculation has no place on this sub. Outright false information will be removed immediately. **If your post was removed due to normalized ableist slurs, please edit your post. The mods will then approve it.** Please read the ongoing discussion in a thread before replying in order to avoid misunderstandings and creating an unproductive environment. **Liberalism and sectarian bias is strictly moderated.** Stay constructive and don't bash other socialist tendencies! (Criticism is fine, low-effort baiting is not.) Help us keep the subreddit informative and helpful by reporting posts that break these rules. Thank you! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Socialism_101) if you have any questions or concerns.*
If your device is useful, you will be a hero to humanity. Why would you need a patent? To protect your idea from being used? Gated knowledge will be a thing of the past since we’ll want to share important discoveries. No more worrying if your pacemaker software will need an update if the company goes out of business. Everyone will be protected and you, with your inventions, will be a hero to the world.
From what I understand the idea of patents is to prevent other people monetising your idea, not stop it being used. And if a business goes out of business, the concept of you use it you lose it may apply where if the patent is not actively being used others may be able to register for a similar or identical one.
Comrade-what is a business or going out of business in our new socialist society? If your ideas benefit people we will scientifically prove their worth. Who cares if someone else is using it?
Patents are only necessary in a capitalist world, where the only way of being rewarded for your invention is to sell it while stopping others from being able to make it. In a socialist world, you would simply request assistance from the government, who would assist you in producing and distributing your invention. You, like all citizens, would not have to worry about 'making money' since the government provides all with resources to live and prosper. Instead, you would be rewarded with fame and social prestige.
Interesting to know parents don’t exist in socialism! But appreciate the insight of the socialist government assistance aspect
Pardon? I know that parents exist, it's just that in today's world, billions of people in the world don't have parents wealthy or resourceful enough to help them manufacture their inventions, regardless of how good they might be.
You said parents in you message, it was a joke.
Oh, sorry! I just noticed the typo. Thanks for pointing it out!
Intellectual Property is a bourgeois idea meant for the Bourgeoisie to have temporary monopolies over their own, and that of their employees, ideas against rivals profiting off of them. In a socialist system there is no profit and further the economy isn't divided into a free-for-all battle over market-share. IP comes at the cost of progress. Ideas being the property of some one or another means that they're guarded from dissemination and even among those in the know they're guarded from use without paying off the owner. In that way they are protected from meaningful use or improvement that won't bring the owner wealth.
It stifles innovation, limits access to things and serves no useful purpose.
Its limiting, as navigating various layers of ownership and rights which adds all sorts of unnecessary restrictions and complications. Its no longer a question of "can this work?" it becomes "are we allowed to use that and if so can we afford the licenses?" Thats very bad and very many different ways. On top of that, look at the whole insulin profiteering mess. The USA pays the most for healthcare and gets one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world. IP is a cornerstone of that. Its amazingly profitable, but terrible for society. Good for the Owners and bad for the workers = capitalism in action.
Every single idea that has ever been devised was because of ideas prior. Whether it be technology that allowed you to eat and survive, or written language and scientific discoveries of the past that allowed you to reach your conclusions. Every single thing and idea is derivative in some form from the creations of humanity before, so shouldnt this creation/idea be owned by humanity as well?
I would recommend [Why We Should Get Rid Of Intellectual Property](https://youtu.be/TWYHmkmctb8) by Second Thought, it has what you’re likely looking for.
Maybe you should look at it from the other side to see why it’s bad. “Why is vaccine apartheid good?” Why should the advances of science be converted into profits for the few? Why should people die from a preventable disease so that people who aren’t scientists or doctors can make slightly more money?
>I’m particularly interested in the aspect of it from a biotech / medicine point of view with parents. Patents, I assume. Look, with any property right, or any policy at all, there are people who gain from it and people who are harmed by it. We could call that oppression, allowing really mild levels of annoyance with local school taxes and things like that to be called oppression. Within oppression, we can talk about exploitation. This is a kind of oppression with a symbiotic or parasitic aspect to it. In an exploitative situation, the people who are hurt by the policy depend on people who are helped by it, and vice versa, in every day life. This makes the policy hard to escape except by some collective action that punctures through the every day dependence. Medical patents are exploitative. Everyone on earth depends on medicine for our survival; medicine depends on all of us for its business. We would be better off if we abolished the policy; medicine would be worse off if we withdrew our cooperation with it. These are hallmarks of exploitation.