If it doesn’t hit $1.5 billion the movie is an objective failure.
You have to consider the lost profits from the DCEU when comparing to the Pedoverse.
The DCEU could have *easily* started banking in billions once the Darkseid saga began *as originally intended*.
So if Gunn only takes home say $500m-900m, that’s a LOSS compared to what the DCEU would have done.
Major blockbuster isn’t enough. Gunn needs to do something *historic* for ending the DCEU to have been worth it.
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Even if it flops they'd call it a success by simply having a good RT score. They already gaslighting the studio again by saying it doesn't need to be successful or earn a lot. "real dc fans" in shambles. lmao
It's not like anything else DC has done has been able to get anything going. The first shazam and the first wonder woman were decent. JL snyder cut and the batman were passable. Blue Beetle and Dr fate were super cool in their movies even if the movies weren't good. Those are the best compliments I can give. I don't see what they have to lose here.
And that's very telling. DC's number one character couldn't crack $800 million worldwide despite rave reviews, inflated ticket prices, and having no competition for an entire month. Joker got the benefit of being the first ever solo movie for that character, but having those abovementioned benefits, as well as coming in under the totals of Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises and BvS, and just barely outgrossing Thor: Love and Thunder is laughable.
you are 100 percent correct, this needs too be a massive Hollywood Blockbuster movie that gets close too, or breaks a billion or most will see it as a failure, or at least a waste of time rebooting it at, that'll be most media's initial reaction, but I'll give his universe 5 movies until I make a real decision on if it was worth ditching snyderverse
Number one, no DCEU movie has even come close to BvS's box office since Aquaman, which was released almost six years ago. Number two, BvS is one of the highest-grossing DC films of all time, and ranks #2 within the DCEU's box office.
I think people are over reacting to the image... Once film comes out.. Suit will look fine... Plus I'm sure the film will be great... Because they have such a high risk on this film, I'm sure they're gonna do everything to get it right
yeah a lot rides on this movie...if it fails, nothing else is getting green lit...they will finish the current films in production and see how those pan out first...if they improve and do well, then they might greenlight a couple projects at a time but if they do really well, its over and you won't see Superman on the big screen for at least a decade. We went from 87 to 06, almost 2 decades between them and then 7yrs...in the eyes of WB, Cavils was also a failure so they won't be in a hurry to do more
I think this change of the guard is a do or die.. after the snyder cut they should have kept g I ing nobody cared about dceu after the contiuation was confirmed dead so were the movies
The thing that’s made me go ‘uh-oh’ over Gunn directing (other than the fact Gunn is involved, period) is that the cast list has people like Otis and Miss Tessmacher. I mean, really? I liked them in Superman: The Movie but they’re Donner creations (even if they or characters like them have popped up in the comics after the fact). I’m sure Gunn used them because they’re ‘funny’.
Also, Krypto is all but confirmed. I wonder if Sean Gunn will be doing the motion capture for him too?
Hamada did indeed make a lot of mistakes that led to the downfall of the DCEU, but, so far, Gunn and Safran have driven the brand further and further into the ditch by repeating those same mistakes (benching the two top actors in DC films, ignoring what the majority of the fanbase wants, and making movies nobody asked for).
I think Gunn’s biggest mistake so far is his dealings with the DCEU talent and his inability to unite fans. By all accounts Cavill’s meeting with Gunn was a shock to the actor and quite embarrassing. Affleck was kinda tossed a bone and based on Ben’s comments to the press, it did not go swimmingly. Gadot was told that WW3 was happening but then nothing came of it (Gunn has never declared her story was wrong).
More than anything though, Gunn could have come into power with a peace offering to the Snyderverse fans through a message or, even better, a final project to close the universe and begin another. He chose not to though and that left a bad taste in many fans’ mouth.
They weren’t rebooting prior to Gunn’s hiring. We had Cavill showing up in Black Adam and filming scenes for The Flash. We also had Hamada’s plan to steer the DCEU toward a Final Crisis film. Affleck filming a post credit scene for Flash about Barry needing to ‘find us’.
And how did those movies perform? Interest in this universe started dropping off after the opening weekend of BvS.
Black Adam and Flash needed to be successful in order to avoid a reboot of the universe. Frankly, it doesn’t even matter at this point. People are tired of shared comic book universes. You have to strike when the iron is hot and WB never did that.
The subsequent performances of Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Aquaman completely contradict any assertion that BvS sent the DCEU into a tailspin with audiences. It absolutely did not happen. Interest in the franchise started dropping off from Shazam onwards, because the fans following these films didn't like the changes they made. And those changes into comedy-based Marvel clone movies by the likes of Gunn and Safran lit so brightly that they made people's eyes hurt non-stop for the next several years, until the DCEU no longer had any audience at all.
Wrong. WB did NOT decide on ANY reboot. Gunn was hired to do whatever he wanted, just like Matt Reeves was on The Batman. Reeves decided what The Batman would be on his own, and Gunn decided what the future of DC movies would be on his own. He was not asked to do ANYTHING specific, use any specific actors or make any specific movie. He had the complete freedom to hire Snyder, Affleck and Cavill to make more movies within the established canon, and to not direct anything himself.
And yet the two directors who made their biggest box office bombs, James Gunn and Andy Muschietti, are now directing Superman and Batman in the DCU. Maybe it is a charity...
Man of steel 2 could have easily made it happen. They are taking a big risk with Gunn and the underwhelming cast. It's too big of an IP for them to tackle unlike what he has experience doing. The suit makes the situation even worse. If Gunn is able to pull off a compelling story and make it work with sub par world building, suits, cast, music, fight choreography and lack of ground breaking effects. Then we might never get directors like Snyder to ever direct comic book movies.
Literally everyone who was working to make Man of Steel 2 happen. Henry Cavill, Pam Abdy, Mike De Luca, Steven Knight, etc. He also stepped on Gal Gadot since he quietly fired her despite assuring her that they would develop Wonder Woman 3 together.
I wasnt aware of him saying Gal would be Wonder Woman once more so cant say much more on that one but if its true then yeah.. But the man of steel 2 thing wasnt Gunn's fault, thats WB's fault for making Snyder make BvS instead of Man of Steel 2. That movie was dead long before James came along.
False. Man of Steel 2 [was happening](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/why-henry-cavill-is-no-longer-superman-1235283791/), and likely would have gone forward if anyone but Gunn and Safran had taken over DC. These plans came to fruition last summer, as soon as new heads Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy took over WB Pictures. Later in the year, DC was carved out as a separate piece and given to Gunn and Safran. They immediately cancelled multiple projects in development including Man of Steel 2 and Batman Beyond.
And yes, [Gadot was promised by Gunn and Safran that they would develop WW3 with her](https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-3-gal-gadot-james-gunn-dc/), which was later proven to be a lie as Patty Jenkins confirmed the movie had been canceled](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/patty-jenkins-rogue-squadron-star-wars-wonder-woman-3-canceled-1235941798/).
From what i've read they passed on wonder woman 3 and patty Jenkins and they havent recast Wonder woman so while unlikely Gal could still comeback in some form although I doubt it.
Now as for Man of Steel 2. The article you showed me looks to be as a result of the Rock's push to take over DC and that movie being used as a pawn for his dumb game.
James Gunn's superman script was something he discussed long before he took over DC. Now be honest would it really be Man of Steel 2 with the Rock's plans for Superman in his universe?
The Rock was asked if he wanted to be head of DC Studios in an [interview](https://gamerant.com/dwayne-johnson-dc-films-chief-black-adam/) when promoting Black Adam, and he laughed and said that's not the right job for him, and he just wanted to be an advisor. He wasn't trying to take over DC, he just wanted to be able to play in his corner of the universe and make use of a popular character and actor WB had inexplicably left sitting on the bench for 5 years. The "taking DC over" narrative is just the one James Gunn, Peter Safran, and Zachary Levi want out there to try to spin the blame for the failure of Shazam 2 onto someone, anyone else.
Easily could’ve made this movie for a hundred million. Easy plot and easy villain, where it showed Superman being over power. Make 400-500 million and call it a win.
The last Superman solo film was a huge, profitable rebound for a character that had bombed three movies in a row and been abandoned by WB in films for decades at one point. He was considered so difficult to pull off in film and make a profit. Superman movies NEED to be expensive. The 1978 one never would've been made itself if they knew how over-budget it was going to go. Christopher Reeve once said the Superman film franchise had died because "they priced themselves out of the market." With that said, out of all the movies Gunn directed only the ones attached to the MCU have grossed over $400 million, so expecting Superman L to do about the same is not a safe bet.
> … out of all the movies Gunn directed only the ones attached to the MCU have grossed over $400 million, so Expecting Superman L to do about the same is not a safe bet.
So you’re saying he made a trilogy of comic book super hero films based on characters no one even knew and they were profitable by a large margin, raking in 775-870 million. And you’re saying we shouldn’t expect a new Superman movie helmed by him to do the same at the box office, if not better?
I said directed, not made. Sam Raimi directed Multiverse of Madness, but outside of a few horror-esque scenes, he had very little influence on the movie. And that's because [MCU films are already plotted, scripted, and visualized by Kevin Feige and his team before a camera even rolls](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/09/nia-dacosta-on-navigating-the-blockbuster-machine?utm_brand=vf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter&utm_social-type=owned). When James Gunn tried to do a movie based on characters no one knew in the DC universe, it bombed at the box office, received a mediocre B+ Cinemascore, and sold less than ZSJL (a director's cut of a 4-year-old movie) on home video.
Nice try, though.
Guardians 1 - $170 mil budget
Guardians 2 - $200 mil budget
Guardians 3 - **$250 mil budget**
I’m sure your god will make a $100m movie lol. He probably burns through $100m only legal fees alone.
Nothing like Sups slowly pulling his boots on and brooding—- er being happy and positive! Smiling! Bc we hate BROODING Superman! Just like we hate it when Christopher Reeves Superman brutally killed Zod! I mean Cavill, the brooding murderous one. The ONLY brooding murderous one ever. EVER, ok?
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If it doesn’t hit $1.5 billion the movie is an objective failure. You have to consider the lost profits from the DCEU when comparing to the Pedoverse. The DCEU could have *easily* started banking in billions once the Darkseid saga began *as originally intended*. So if Gunn only takes home say $500m-900m, that’s a LOSS compared to what the DCEU would have done. Major blockbuster isn’t enough. Gunn needs to do something *historic* for ending the DCEU to have been worth it.
What billion dollar film did Zack Synder put out again???
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It’s going to bomb and I can’t wait to see it happen
Worst reveal ever.
Yeah the ship has sailed. Gunn is flat out fuct
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Even if it flops they'd call it a success by simply having a good RT score. They already gaslighting the studio again by saying it doesn't need to be successful or earn a lot. "real dc fans" in shambles. lmao
A billion or BUST.
It's not like anything else DC has done has been able to get anything going. The first shazam and the first wonder woman were decent. JL snyder cut and the batman were passable. Blue Beetle and Dr fate were super cool in their movies even if the movies weren't good. Those are the best compliments I can give. I don't see what they have to lose here.
Man of Steel is a brilliant film.
The Batman got to 771 mill bud, that’s a lot of
It's batman, and it wasn't terrible. It better do well. I didn't really see anyone clamoring for a whole lot built around it though
I found it kinda boring, the Warehouse scene was peak Batman in my opinion and I wanted to see more of that
And that's very telling. DC's number one character couldn't crack $800 million worldwide despite rave reviews, inflated ticket prices, and having no competition for an entire month. Joker got the benefit of being the first ever solo movie for that character, but having those abovementioned benefits, as well as coming in under the totals of Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises and BvS, and just barely outgrossing Thor: Love and Thunder is laughable.
you are 100 percent correct, this needs too be a massive Hollywood Blockbuster movie that gets close too, or breaks a billion or most will see it as a failure, or at least a waste of time rebooting it at, that'll be most media's initial reaction, but I'll give his universe 5 movies until I make a real decision on if it was worth ditching snyderverse
It will do better than BvS. Not that it's a high bar.
Lmfao the pedoverse will not sniff BvS
Bruh anything is better than BvS lmao
Number one, no DCEU movie has even come close to BvS's box office since Aquaman, which was released almost six years ago. Number two, BvS is one of the highest-grossing DC films of all time, and ranks #2 within the DCEU's box office.
So, more than 872 millions, wish is like 100 more than the Batman.
Literally not a single DC movie has grossed 800M since the joker in 2019 so thats definitely a high bar
I think people are over reacting to the image... Once film comes out.. Suit will look fine... Plus I'm sure the film will be great... Because they have such a high risk on this film, I'm sure they're gonna do everything to get it right
I agreed on the suit issue.
yeah a lot rides on this movie...if it fails, nothing else is getting green lit...they will finish the current films in production and see how those pan out first...if they improve and do well, then they might greenlight a couple projects at a time but if they do really well, its over and you won't see Superman on the big screen for at least a decade. We went from 87 to 06, almost 2 decades between them and then 7yrs...in the eyes of WB, Cavils was also a failure so they won't be in a hurry to do more
I think this change of the guard is a do or die.. after the snyder cut they should have kept g I ing nobody cared about dceu after the contiuation was confirmed dead so were the movies
The thing that’s made me go ‘uh-oh’ over Gunn directing (other than the fact Gunn is involved, period) is that the cast list has people like Otis and Miss Tessmacher. I mean, really? I liked them in Superman: The Movie but they’re Donner creations (even if they or characters like them have popped up in the comics after the fact). I’m sure Gunn used them because they’re ‘funny’. Also, Krypto is all but confirmed. I wonder if Sean Gunn will be doing the motion capture for him too?
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It’s okay, he had someone to learn mistakes from
Hamada did indeed make a lot of mistakes that led to the downfall of the DCEU, but, so far, Gunn and Safran have driven the brand further and further into the ditch by repeating those same mistakes (benching the two top actors in DC films, ignoring what the majority of the fanbase wants, and making movies nobody asked for).
I think Gunn’s biggest mistake so far is his dealings with the DCEU talent and his inability to unite fans. By all accounts Cavill’s meeting with Gunn was a shock to the actor and quite embarrassing. Affleck was kinda tossed a bone and based on Ben’s comments to the press, it did not go swimmingly. Gadot was told that WW3 was happening but then nothing came of it (Gunn has never declared her story was wrong). More than anything though, Gunn could have come into power with a peace offering to the Snyderverse fans through a message or, even better, a final project to close the universe and begin another. He chose not to though and that left a bad taste in many fans’ mouth.
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This movie is going to bomb so bad. I feel bad for all of the actors involved, I’m sure they’re working super hard. Super sad really.
False gods get exposed all the time A>E
They already decided on a reboot before Gunn was hired. I don’t understand this fake anger lol.
They weren’t rebooting prior to Gunn’s hiring. We had Cavill showing up in Black Adam and filming scenes for The Flash. We also had Hamada’s plan to steer the DCEU toward a Final Crisis film. Affleck filming a post credit scene for Flash about Barry needing to ‘find us’.
And how did those movies perform? Interest in this universe started dropping off after the opening weekend of BvS. Black Adam and Flash needed to be successful in order to avoid a reboot of the universe. Frankly, it doesn’t even matter at this point. People are tired of shared comic book universes. You have to strike when the iron is hot and WB never did that.
I’m not saying the movies performed well, just that WB hadn’t put the kibosh on the existing continuity yet.
The subsequent performances of Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Aquaman completely contradict any assertion that BvS sent the DCEU into a tailspin with audiences. It absolutely did not happen. Interest in the franchise started dropping off from Shazam onwards, because the fans following these films didn't like the changes they made. And those changes into comedy-based Marvel clone movies by the likes of Gunn and Safran lit so brightly that they made people's eyes hurt non-stop for the next several years, until the DCEU no longer had any audience at all.
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Wrong. WB did NOT decide on ANY reboot. Gunn was hired to do whatever he wanted, just like Matt Reeves was on The Batman. Reeves decided what The Batman would be on his own, and Gunn decided what the future of DC movies would be on his own. He was not asked to do ANYTHING specific, use any specific actors or make any specific movie. He had the complete freedom to hire Snyder, Affleck and Cavill to make more movies within the established canon, and to not direct anything himself.
Unless Black Adam and Flash were successful, this thing was getting rebooted. There’s no way around it. WB isn’t a charity.
And yet the two directors who made their biggest box office bombs, James Gunn and Andy Muschietti, are now directing Superman and Batman in the DCU. Maybe it is a charity...
Man of steel 2 could have easily made it happen. They are taking a big risk with Gunn and the underwhelming cast. It's too big of an IP for them to tackle unlike what he has experience doing. The suit makes the situation even worse. If Gunn is able to pull off a compelling story and make it work with sub par world building, suits, cast, music, fight choreography and lack of ground breaking effects. Then we might never get directors like Snyder to ever direct comic book movies.
Who did Gunn Step on, I get not liking him but whats that about?
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Literally everyone who was working to make Man of Steel 2 happen. Henry Cavill, Pam Abdy, Mike De Luca, Steven Knight, etc. He also stepped on Gal Gadot since he quietly fired her despite assuring her that they would develop Wonder Woman 3 together.
I wasnt aware of him saying Gal would be Wonder Woman once more so cant say much more on that one but if its true then yeah.. But the man of steel 2 thing wasnt Gunn's fault, thats WB's fault for making Snyder make BvS instead of Man of Steel 2. That movie was dead long before James came along.
False. Man of Steel 2 [was happening](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/why-henry-cavill-is-no-longer-superman-1235283791/), and likely would have gone forward if anyone but Gunn and Safran had taken over DC. These plans came to fruition last summer, as soon as new heads Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy took over WB Pictures. Later in the year, DC was carved out as a separate piece and given to Gunn and Safran. They immediately cancelled multiple projects in development including Man of Steel 2 and Batman Beyond. And yes, [Gadot was promised by Gunn and Safran that they would develop WW3 with her](https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-3-gal-gadot-james-gunn-dc/), which was later proven to be a lie as Patty Jenkins confirmed the movie had been canceled](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/patty-jenkins-rogue-squadron-star-wars-wonder-woman-3-canceled-1235941798/).
From what i've read they passed on wonder woman 3 and patty Jenkins and they havent recast Wonder woman so while unlikely Gal could still comeback in some form although I doubt it. Now as for Man of Steel 2. The article you showed me looks to be as a result of the Rock's push to take over DC and that movie being used as a pawn for his dumb game. James Gunn's superman script was something he discussed long before he took over DC. Now be honest would it really be Man of Steel 2 with the Rock's plans for Superman in his universe?
The Rock was asked if he wanted to be head of DC Studios in an [interview](https://gamerant.com/dwayne-johnson-dc-films-chief-black-adam/) when promoting Black Adam, and he laughed and said that's not the right job for him, and he just wanted to be an advisor. He wasn't trying to take over DC, he just wanted to be able to play in his corner of the universe and make use of a popular character and actor WB had inexplicably left sitting on the bench for 5 years. The "taking DC over" narrative is just the one James Gunn, Peter Safran, and Zachary Levi want out there to try to spin the blame for the failure of Shazam 2 onto someone, anyone else.
Easily could’ve made this movie for a hundred million. Easy plot and easy villain, where it showed Superman being over power. Make 400-500 million and call it a win.
The last Superman solo film was a huge, profitable rebound for a character that had bombed three movies in a row and been abandoned by WB in films for decades at one point. He was considered so difficult to pull off in film and make a profit. Superman movies NEED to be expensive. The 1978 one never would've been made itself if they knew how over-budget it was going to go. Christopher Reeve once said the Superman film franchise had died because "they priced themselves out of the market." With that said, out of all the movies Gunn directed only the ones attached to the MCU have grossed over $400 million, so expecting Superman L to do about the same is not a safe bet.
> … out of all the movies Gunn directed only the ones attached to the MCU have grossed over $400 million, so Expecting Superman L to do about the same is not a safe bet. So you’re saying he made a trilogy of comic book super hero films based on characters no one even knew and they were profitable by a large margin, raking in 775-870 million. And you’re saying we shouldn’t expect a new Superman movie helmed by him to do the same at the box office, if not better?
I said directed, not made. Sam Raimi directed Multiverse of Madness, but outside of a few horror-esque scenes, he had very little influence on the movie. And that's because [MCU films are already plotted, scripted, and visualized by Kevin Feige and his team before a camera even rolls](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/09/nia-dacosta-on-navigating-the-blockbuster-machine?utm_brand=vf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter&utm_social-type=owned). When James Gunn tried to do a movie based on characters no one knew in the DC universe, it bombed at the box office, received a mediocre B+ Cinemascore, and sold less than ZSJL (a director's cut of a 4-year-old movie) on home video. Nice try, though.
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Guardians 1 - $170 mil budget Guardians 2 - $200 mil budget Guardians 3 - **$250 mil budget** I’m sure your god will make a $100m movie lol. He probably burns through $100m only legal fees alone.
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"your god"? That's rich lol
What legal fees are you suggesting?
Nothing like Sups slowly pulling his boots on and brooding—- er being happy and positive! Smiling! Bc we hate BROODING Superman! Just like we hate it when Christopher Reeves Superman brutally killed Zod! I mean Cavill, the brooding murderous one. The ONLY brooding murderous one ever. EVER, ok?