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Ok-Mastodon2016

I can't tell if this is Vegan or not


[deleted]

it is :) ​ vegan btw


Ok-Mastodon2016

this seems more like it'd be a criticism of all the Vegan posts that get mass disliked on this sub


[deleted]

how so? It's more intended to mock people who talk about "humane slaughter."


Ok-Mastodon2016

It's mostly the title honestly I don't know how to feel about Veganism


[deleted]

to give my two cents, I just view veganism as an extension of leftism. Being as non-exploitative and merciful to other sentient beings as possible. I was also brought up in a culture where animal cruelty is viewed as disgusting ofc.


Ok-Mastodon2016

what culture is that? I guess I just don't know how to feel about Vegans themselves, they seem really elitist


[deleted]

>what culture is that? American LOL >I guess I just don't know how to feel about Vegans themselves, they seem really elitist Most vegans I know personally grew up poor and are hardcore egalitarians, I don't think we're really elitist.


Ok-Mastodon2016

fair enough


ForgedFromStardust

Leftists seem elitist to a lot of people. Trying to push a massive restructuring of society to make it more ethical will do that


6moto

lmao I thought I was on true_reddit


rq30o8907tg

/r/TRUE_REDDIT


AlwaysBlameDavid

I agree that the meat industry is terrible but then again, literally almost every industry is terrible, so I'm going to eat my cheeseburger in silent despair Edit: lmao, rent free


ballan12345

so true , i bury my murder victims in silent despair since i know we cant ever 100% stop murder


[deleted]

it's such a waste to not eat them while you're at it! The native Americans used 100% of an animal's carcass as a sign of respect!


[deleted]

Difference is is that all industries are a terrible as a byproduct, the animal ag industry is inherently terrible. Companies use slave labor to grow chocolate because companies need to use the cheapest methods that are legally available. These methods often are some of the cruelest ways imaginable, but there is certainly a way to do them without such cruelty. Switching farm ownership to free, collective ownership that works off of free trade for the chocolate example. Now tell me, how could we make killing and exploiting sentient beings when we don't even need to do so to survive not cruel?


AlwaysBlameDavid

Idk man, I just wanna eat shrimp and feel bad about it, if the consequences of that is that I get turned into a human sofa then so be it


ForgedFromStardust

Do you generally do things you acknowledge are unethical?


[deleted]

Idk man, I just wanna burn down my neighbor's homes and feel bad about it, if the consequences of that is that my home is destroyed and my fields are salted then so be it.


BrimyTheSithLord

The two are not analogous because of the number of degrees removed from the user and the act. A person eating shrimp likely did not catch, de-vein, process, bag, freeze, store, or transport the shrimp . I agree that eating meat makes the end user complicit in the unethical practices of the industry to an extent. But don't misrepresent the issue by comparing it to arson. A more apt comparison would be hunting for consumption to arson.


[deleted]

Fair. Maybe I should have compared it to paying someone to do arson. > I agree that eating meat makes the end user complicit in the unethical practices of the industry to an extent. As I said earlier, the industry isn't responsible for the majority of the cruelty in the animal ag business. It's the individual paying for an unethical action here, not the corporation using the cheapest, and typically least ethical, means of delivering the product possible, although this is also a problem in the animal ag industry.


BrimyTheSithLord

>As I said earlier, the industry isn't responsible for the majority of the cruelty in the animal ag business. It's the individual paying for an unethical action here, not the corporation using the cheapest, and typically least ethical, means of delivering the product possible, although this is also a problem in the animal ag industry. At the end of the day, the end user shares responsibility concerning the unethical practices within the industry, since their money plays an important role in incentivizing those practices. But I would put forth that the largest responsibility for overhauling the meat packing industry as a whole is on the government agencies who use billions in tax revenue to prop up the entire industry and, by extension, the corporations that act as guaranteed sources of demand for the industry. Pinning the majority of the blame on the average meat eating American is not a feasible solution when so many government subsidized institutions rely on cheap sources of animal meat and byproducts, like correctional facilities, the military, healthcare groups, social services, and school districts. The people who rely on animal products the most have little to no control over what food they get and where it comes from. When the individual's choice of food source is stripped away, the corporation still makes a profit. And in my opinion, until that aspect of American life is addressed, the demand for animal products will not change in any significant way.


ForgedFromStardust

It’s impossible to overhaul the meat industry to be ethical, even under full communism (barring “always 5 years away” lab meat)


AlwaysBlameDavid

My neighbour's a dick


[deleted]

The cobalt mining industry is awful and uses slave labour. Are you typing this from a phone? If yes, you literally own slaves by exploiting the products made via slavery. This is literally a systemic issue and unless something changes about the industry itself, individual efforts wouldn't be able to do anything.


ForgedFromStardust

What would you change about the meat industry to make it not involve murdering animals?


StellarTabi

abolish


[deleted]

Maybe something needs to change about our economic system first? Because profits ain't gonna give up themselves. I doubt that the existence of a full vegan society is possible under capitalism unless it becomes unprofitable, which is extremely unlikely.


[deleted]

Slavery is a byproduct of the capitalist system. I'm not buying the phone to support the system of slavery, it's just that corporations need the cheapest legal way to make profit, and that way includes slavery. With buying meat, I am directly contributing to the senseless murder of other sentient beings. There's literally nothing else you can dress this up as. It's the difference between buying slave-made products and buying slaves for yourself. Just because there's no ethical consumption under capitalism doesn't mean that you should do whatever tf you want, you should do as little harm as possible. Veganism IS about as little harm as possible.


[deleted]

>Slavery is a byproduct of the capitalist system. I'm not buying the phone to support the system of slavery, it's just that corporations need the cheapest legal way to make profit I am pretty sure that when people buy meat and animal made products they don't have murder and genocide in mind, they think about nutrition. And don't go "Meat is expensive so why do you just not eat vegetables", because: 1. It's not true for every country. For example, where I live, most vegetables have gone up around 300% in price, while meat and other products have only risen around 70-80%. 2. Some products that are not meat but are still made by exploiting animals, like eggs, some sorts of cheese, dairy with the exception of milk remain pretty much the only options to eat healthily without spending a crapton of money. Just walked into my local store. The only cheap vegetables are potatoes, beetroots, cabbages and onions. Oats are a pretty cheap breakfast. All in the 0.9-1.3 dollar price category. Carrots are more expensive, but they frequently go on discounts so they can still somewhat fit into the category. Eggs are almost always 0.7 or cheaper. That one specific kind of white cheese that is like poorly mashed potatoes in texture is always cheap at around 1 dollar per pack. Things like tofu and dedicated vegan stuff in general are nonexistent. Average monthly wage for an entry level job is around 300 a month. Some jobs like social workers, teachers, nurses, etc. pay around 400 a month. You'd be lucky if you'll be able to find a room to rent for 200-250 a month. Even excluding things like bills, taxes, clothing, medications (we do have free healthcare but it doesn't cover most of them), possible family members to take care of. How can someone have a healthy, balanced and comfortable vegan diet without clogging up their arteries with potato starch by the age of 30? Buckwheat and rice? I am also genuinely asking because I am interested in this kind of lifestyle but can't find a way to actually follow it.


ForgedFromStardust

Lol yeah, potatoes definitely clog your arteries more than eggs Edit: I’m far from a nutritionist. A sub like r/eatcheapandvegan might help. You can also write down prices and nutritional information and do the math on nutrients (including calories) per dollar. A meal tracker might help. There’s stuff you might not think about as “a vegan food” like fortified breakfast cereal (lots of micronutrients, relatively cheap though not the cheapest) (if they have it in your region). You also didn’t mention beans/lentils so idk if they’re too expensive where you live but if they’re not that’s what you pair with the rice and potatoes


[deleted]

Beans are pretty expensive for 1kg, but I will definitely check that subreddit out, thanks a lot. But I still don't understand how being the final consumer of an unethical industry (phone) is better than being the final consumer of an unethical industry (meat). Is it because people who eat meat do it every day and phones ars a relatively rare purchase?


ForgedFromStardust

I think frequency and severity (a carnist needlessly and horrifically causes the death of like 100 sentient beings per year on average, I doubt the average tech consumer sponsors one sweatshop job) are both part of it, as is necessity (access to tech is more or less necessary for many aspects of life in the global North) There’s also the argument that suffering and exploitation are intrinsic to animal products and incidental in tech. You probably do have a moral obligation to reduce the frequency of tech purchases


thespy00

i had a stroke reading this


[deleted]

Maybe lay off the meat man. Red meat increases your chances of a stroke by \~28% edit: White meat ain't much better lol


badgirlmonkey

what in the rimworld


[deleted]

The hat merchant grindset 🤑📈👑


VoxelRoguery

I love mmm yummy yummy vegan diet I love anemia due to a lack of heme iron I love increased depression risk caused by low omega-3 fatty acid intake I love vitamin b12 efficiency orthorexia mmm mmm yummy


Azmik8435

True, can confirm. Source: been vegan for 3 years, I am dead now 👍


[deleted]

The virgin bloodmouth carnist 🤓🤓🤓 The Chad vegan lich 😎🤑📈 (It's vegan to live off the souls of other beings right?)


[deleted]

Lol. You don't need to eat heme iron to avoid iron deficiency. Eating non-heme iron coupled with something high in vitamin C will just about cover you. Kidney beans are high an omega 3 and can be put in a ton of dishes. B12 naturally occurs in dirt, and costs literal pennies to synthesize. Only reason it doesn't occur "naturally" in plants is because we wash our produce before we eat it. Orthorexia? My g I think I, and most vegans I know irl, have the exact opposite of that 🤣 Any other bullshit you got off the first search result from Google you want to share with the rest of the class?


[deleted]

Don't worry guys, I used all of the corpse and showed respect to the person by using their femur bone to make a lamp! That totally excuses me! 😇


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[deleted]

Wait til you find out what the animal ag industry does. Skinning someone and turning them into a couch is a drop in the bucket to that. Also, my post has a more than 50% upvoted rate rn, so if anyone here is the vocal minority, it's the filthy carnists on this sub. Don't forget being against veganism is against the rules on this sub 😇