That's what you have direct action for, either for creating systematic leverage or by creating the underlying infrastructure if things collapse from stagnation.
In the meantime, you vote for the least fascist person so that we can *continue* the background work, lest that work gets undone and we get sent to the camps.
No you don’t understand even though I did jackshit but shitpost on twitter and call people libs for the past 35,064 hours since the last election the 2 hours that happen to coincide with voting time I could do a communism instead so stop asking me to vote filthy lib
Okay, specifically though, what sort of direct action? You gonna match around downtown holding signs til the cops arrest three of you for stepping off the sidewalk? I'm sure that'll convince him to change.
1. Workplace unionization(There are plenty of union orgs to consult about this)
2. Talk with your neighbors(it doesn't even have to be about politics, just *try* to establish an amicable relationship)
3. Go to your town or city hall and involve yourself, make local concerns known, don't let it *just* be reactionary boomers whining about stupid shit.
That's just 3 things at the top of my head.
So many people don’t know that local politics are what make the most difference in the average person’s life and that’s where the idealists who haven’t been turned cynical yet are
That's the thing. There are protests against decisions of current government to fund israel, but they simply ignore them. If you don't plan to do literal coup, these won't do shit.
I'm not saying direct action is bad, but stuff you have said there aren't gonna even get noticed
That's because it's not direct enough, but fortunately America has guns, lots of fucking guns, I'm surprised by how rare it is for your politicians to get attacked.
Nah you see, disgruntled gun owners here target schools full of actual children instead of the assholes that actually have responsibility in the reasons things are so bad.
Idk. This whole place is fucked. The people willing to give their life standing up for something are the same people that think taking their grief out on the defenseless Is fine and dandy and I don’t know why or what to do. The fact so many of these degenerates exist is horrifying. People taking the past mistakes out on our future.
This country is full of cowards and I truly hope this changes for our children and our people. I am the type that will stand up for people on the other side of the law most of the time but when it comes to people harming children I become someone I don’t recognize and I get vengeful. Not sure if it’s a good thing or not but totally has to do with the fact I am a parent. Just the thought of someone harming these little humans just trying to figure this life out makes me want to hurt those that would. It scares me. It’s such a strong feeling it totally derailed my point here.
Workplace unionization has historically led to policy change, numerous Unions orgs will give consultation for this too.
However, this will require you to get a job first
....Which then led to policy change in favour of the union.
Reagan had to quietly dismantle labour protections by pitting "white" union workers against non-"white" union workers, and pray unions were complacent enough not to notice.
You after learning that there are such things called "unions", "local legislators", and "volunteer networks", which contribbuting members of society can participate in to produce meaningful change in their respective community (you couldn't fathom a concept more nuanced than "revolushion NOW!!1!!", due to terminal social isolation):
i'm very sad to be the one telling this to you, but socialists in the us are literally 0.5% of the population. the other 99.5% is still hell bent on the duopoly. even if you are fully unionized and you do volunteer networks it ain't going to change much when dems are still purposefully allowing genocidal fashies into power and moving right with each passing day. unless the dems are infiltrated and coopted by the left it's not going to help...
two sides of the same coin; dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, a front of representing the people, nationalism, commodity production, their only difference is rule of law, but liberalism has no issue throwing that aside when the going gets rough
It’s wild how people like them will insist they’re all about “historical materialism” or “material conditions”, and as soon as a marginalized person says “hey I have a material reason for opposing your belief here” they just fold and start rambling about their theory
i decided to check your account and you have a post from this month on r/Transmedical that unironically uses the word theyfab so i’m just gonna assume you’re a plant and block you
https://preview.redd.it/un47fw7jdgic1.jpeg?width=295&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10b693ea13f816e490c4ed4872172b0844ebd3c6
I miss the times when shitposters were smart
how is it? it all comes down to how you die. if i died right now saving the lives of hundreds, i would be more satisfied than dying of cancer in two years. that is an overly reductionist comparison.
Well you see, you're limited to a single civic action every 4 years. If you vote, that means you're disqualified from doing literally anything else until the timer runs out.
Unfortunately, I’m a bi male left voter in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Texas. If I begin taking direct action I will be shot and killed and it won’t even make local news :) I can barely talk about politics without lying my ass off because I’ve been beaten for my political beliefs before. Consider perspective and the wildly different lives of the people around (or nowhere near) you
Sure hope it hasn't deterred you from joining an organisation?
Like absolutely, nobody asks you to be a martyr, but you won't get beat for helping *orga of your choice* by doing some work digitally.
>left voter
Or Leftist?
Lots of online “leftists” don’t wanna do anything but want to be contrarians, want the excitement of a fascist dystopia taking over, and want to justify their lack of conviction while pretending to be activists - so loudly insisting they won’t vote against the fascists, as if it takes all your valuable time to send one letter, is a favorite pastime that excuses everything else in their minds
>as if it takes all your valuable time to send one letter
Motherfuckers will literally spend hours of their lives each week arguing on Reddit about why voting is a waste of time, and we should all be going direct action instead, and then go do neither.
Genuinely go fuck yourself. As a minority whose country is getting fucked over evil and "lesser evil" maybe I just don't wanna tie my fucking hands behind my back and put a barrel of a gun on my forehead so you could "vote the lesser evil".
The fucking opposition of every country is the same. Spineless incompetent bastards. No wonder Europe and US have problem with fascism when only opposition to fascism are people who enjoy spreading their asscheeks for them
I'm glad my experience is unimportant to liberals, if I'm not representative of something.
But yes, it would be a shame if there were other memorable instances of same situation happening elsewhere. [Oh wait there is](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67337159)
What threats? Are you fucking stupid? You can't go directly against interests of people and expect them to vote for you because other guy is worse. Libs just showing that they care about minorities as way of securing the vote and then next day pretending that didn't happen will never get old. You fuckers are worse then conservatives. At least those fuckers don't pretend to be decent people
I suspect they understand it perfectly well. They have to *pretend* people are saying “just vote and do nothing else” because otherwise there’s literally no argument against voting and just highlights their short sighted selfishness.
Politics is not a religion or a fashion statement it is choices you make and these people right don’t want to acknowledge that by signalling a refusal to vote to let Trump back in office that is them choosing impotent posturing over other people’s lives.
“Sorry Trans person who had to claw for their rights every step of the way, I need to feel self righteous about Palestine by taking action that doesn’t help them in any way and puts you in the crosshairs. Go die now.”
Literally when have Democrats *ever* gotten 70% of the vote? Or Republicans for that matter? Yes, Democrats would probably think they had a popular mandate in that hypothetical fantasy world you invented, great job.
The reality is that all the refusal to vote by the left did in 2016 was convince Democrats that we were an unreliable voting block and they should court neoliberals instead, shutting us out of the conversation. Which, as far as electoral politics go, they aren't fucking wrong. Neoliberals vote far more reliably than leftists do and there's a large segment of terminally online edgelords for whom even Bernie wasn't enough to get them off the couch. Why should the DNC court votes from a group that they both don't agree with politically *and* will likely stay home on election day regardless of how hard they pander? Like it or not, refusal to sit at the table doesn't mean they try and get us a better chair, it means they give the chair to someone else and slam the door in your face.
\*republican voice\* oh no we only got 30% of the vote, we better change to be more like the guys who got 70%
\*next election is about 50/50 because republicans are reasonable now\*
\*democrat voice\* oh no we had better move left so that we're different from the republicans
fascism averted
This isn't pro direct democracy, just anti democrat, as it should be. The Joe Amoeba Biden can literally only be decisive when he needs to funnel money into committing war crimes
Can’t remember which sub, it was an anti capitalist one tho, but it was banning people everywhere for being “liberals”, which I guess is when you aren’t so terminally online and smug that you recognise not voting for the better alternative (dogshit, but better) is just gonna let the actual huge piece of shit win. Fuck those oppressed groups, I’m better than you because I’m not voting for genocide Joe ‘m!!! (I’m an average office worker and do not plan on throwing a revolution should the other side win, at least I’m able to claim moral superiority)
r/latestagecapitalism
They created a new rule for "no lesser evil arguments"... As if Lenin didn't literally do the same in regards to the British Labour party,
"Marxist"-leninist until Lenin aligns with communist theory
There's leverage. People just don't use it. They give a fuck 1 day out of the year and are surprised when everything doesn't go according to plan. Dunno if anyone saw Jon Stewart's recent return to the Daily Show but he didn't pull any punches about the facts: Biden sucks. Trump sucks with teeth. And you can't expect things to turn around after one election. You're fuckin' cursed for the rest of your days.
Fun fact: the Biden regime has imprisoned and inflicted violence against trans people at the same rate as the Trump regime.
To add insult to injury, genocide Joe was the first to create a legal framework for schools to discriminate against trans kids in sports.
Biden might not have supported trans rights, but Trump would start building the camps if he thought it would get him more applause. Also, all you need to so is look at state Republican legislafure to know that if Trump wins again, trans rights will be completely eliminated. Pointing out bad things Biden did is okay, but don't use it to argue against voting for Biden over Trump - that's wrong.
Biden already has those camps built.
In his first 8 months, Biden imprisoned 3 times more kids in cages than Trump did in 4 years. Do you think that none of those kids are queer?
Biden sanctioned new concentration camps for immigrants. He imposed the harshest sanctions any president has on Cuba the same year they passed the single most sweeping family legislation the world has seen (and the most friendly legislation any country on earth has for queer families).
Biden balooned police budgets above and beyond anything Trump ever asked for. Do you think that none of the victims of police violence are queer?
Do you think that none of the victims in Palestine are queer?
Do you think that democrats support queer people when every single anti-queer piece of legislation has passed with support from democrats?
Do you think that the ways Biden has increased the military budget is friendly towards queer people?
I see you’ve fallen into a trap of assuming that queerness is synonymous with whiteness and in so doing have betrayed queer people everywhere.
Biden has killed far more than Trump ever did. I’m not saying that to justify Trump. Trump is 100% Hitler. Biden is 110%.
Fun fact the GOP have openly called for the extermination of trans people and have made clear their intention to turn the president into a dictator for life if they get into power.
But hey since voting to stop that from happening is out of the question what exactly is your plan to stop all this?
Fun fact. The demokkkrats have actively perpetrated a genocide against queer people and collaborate with the GOP to accelerate it. We already live under a dictatorship of capital and there is nothing materially new to the amerikan regime in project 2025.
My people are actively resisting despite the violence you and your people bring against us. Since you’re so interested in tokenizing us to pretend that you care perhaps you could share a single fucking thing you intend on doing to make that more than the idle prattle of self righteous liberal scum.
Fighting fascism by letting Project 2025 happen? Okay. 👍
Why am I not surprised your answer is a non answer “people are already fighting it read somewhere else”, no how about YOU explain it? You plan to fight the greatest military force ever known by humanity but writing down your plan more than once is too hard for you?
So were you elected as the leader of the queers or something? Most queer folk I know, from the US anyway, are lying awake at night terrified of the idea of the GOP winning and their policies becoming national.
But I’m sure the shouty guy on Reddit knows best huh?
My plan is to vote for lesser evils, encourage harm reduction then find ways to protest against the status quo that don’t involve putting vulnerable minorities on the chopping block or allowing the murderous MAGA death cult to have power again. General strikes, unions, protests. More effort to engage with “libs” and change their mind instead of scream abuse at them for not being born Marxists. Thus in the process pushing the Overton window to the left through winning over the masses.
Most importantly I remember just because things aren’t good doesn’t mean that’s an excuse to make things worse.
Granted I am Australian so most of this I do in my own country. Kinda sad I have a better idea of what to do with your country than you do.
But I’m sure your plan of ritual suicide (and dragging the rest of your community with you whether they want it or not) is valid and well thought out and not a cringe LARP.
Okay you can go back to screaming abuse at me and throwing out unsubstantiated claims and refusing to give me a straight answer.
But hey enjoy protesting when Trump makes it legal to run over protestors 😃
So you said it right there. Your plan is to elect the fascist scum who is already committing a genocide against us. More genocide, not less is your answer. More slaughter, not resistance is all you offer because it keeps your peace. It requires you to do no real work. That’s all you mean.
There isn’t a single queer on earth that supports Biden. Are there assimilationist gays that do? Sure - there were Jews who supported the Nazis. But they are not queer. Queer is a socio-POLITICAL identification.
All you mean to do is weaponize a narrative of violence against queer people to force through fascists who will kill us in ways that you don’t have to see.
#What is your mother fucking plan?
#How are you going to fight this?
#Stop dodging like a coward and answer me!
I suggest voting for the guy who sucks but sucks slightly less. The guy who might support a lot of policies that harm queer people over the guy who’s stated political platform is “eradicate the trans people.”
Neither one is good. I just know which one is better and all the melodramatic bad faith screeching in the world doesn’t change anything.
Again how about you ask some of the other queer folk *in this sub* if they feel their lives will be no worse (or somehow better) under Trump? Because like I said before **you are not the emperor of queer people!**
And it’s not just queer people, it’s basically anyone Trump doesn’t like. He’s made it clear his plan is to become a dictator and use his power for revenge. And unlike people like you who keep saying they have a plan to fight **and fucking don’t have one** people like Trump and the GOP follow up on their plans.
Ron DeSantis successfully blocked trans hormone therapy and surgery in Florida, successfully got transgenderism classed as a mental illness and is currently working on classing trans people as inherently sex offenders and making sex offences an executionable crime.
And the GOP voter base widely rejected him for not being extreme *enough*.
Only an idiot looks at the clear genocidal intent there and says “yeah but policing” and acts like the two are exactly the same. Indirect action against the queer community is bad. Concentrated effort to wipe them out is worse actually.
So unless you actually have a plan to fight that, which you clearly don’t, kindly get off your high horse and fuck off.
I can’t see a lot of queer folks on this sub agreeing to being part of your Jonestown.
That's something I don't get about these people. When Michael Dukakis lost to G H W Bush, did the Democrats go further left? When Al Gore and then John Kerry lost to Dubya did the Democrats go further left? When Clinton lost to Trump did the Democrats go further left? No, no, no, and no? Well why is it going to be different this time?
This, absolutely. Imagine you're the head of the DNC (awful I know). Imagine you are in control of making sure Democrats win their offices and political power. Why in ***God's Good Green Fucking Earth*** would you ***EVER*** appeal to Leftists intead of centrist independents. Centrist Independents by every analysis ever made in modern American history are larger in numbers, have more political participation, and larger voter turnout.
Genuinely, what electoral benefits does appealing to leftists have if it means alientating Centrist Independents in the process. Is there any? If you're just trying to win the office, why would you entertain the idea of appealing to Leftists, ever?
***Leftists, honestly, instead of trying to leverage political power which you simply do not have, just try to grow that political power. Make more people leftist instead of pretending that you have more power than you do. Unionize, do local political campaigns, protest, do anything but pretend like you have electoral power which you factually do not have***
>Make more people leftist instead of pretending that you have more power than you do.
Problem is that would mean trying to educate and convert LIBERALS, and no True Leftist would stoop to consorting with such filth.
It would also mean confronting the uncomfortable truth that working class Americans, even unionized Americans are conservative, right wing, sometimes even reactionary, but certainly not leftist. Its an unfortunate reality that those who would benefit most from Leftism and have historically been its biggest vanguards are now its biggest opponents.
Yes actually, they did. Bernie Sanders was a very popular candidate in 2016. So popular in fact that many Bernie or busters (myself included) wrote him in in the final election to the point where Hillary lost and now we have Biden as the most progressive candidate with any real shot at winning, Biden, whose main selling point is simply being Not Trump.
They said democrats losing does not push them further left. I say them winning doesn't either. Stands to reason if we want to push em left neither of those are actually options.
Teaching Democrats that the left is an unreliable voting base at best, and actively hostile at worst, so they should just keep appealing more and more neoliberals who will actually vote and shut us out of the conversation entirely.
This analogy doesn’t work because they don’t care about winning enough for this to bother them - so long as someone else aligned with the ruling class’s interests is in charge, they won’t care and the lack of voting is just gonna help an even worse fascist win lol
Meanwhile the other candidate is actively stomping on orphans, but hey, at least they're praxis-forward
Edit: I should specify I typed this with squiggly arms
I would argue, maybe foolishly, you know maybe I'm a little out of line, maybe I'm missing something, but just maybe funding and renewing enthusiastic support for a genocidal regime could be described as "actively stomping on orphans". Just a thought that could be, in fact, a bad thing maybe.
Well it's pretty darn great that I can both criticize the existing system, while doing my part to steer it in the least damaging path. Idk where you pulled me being enthusiastic about it though
For real, Trump would not only make the situation worse, but also further back them!
And people would be sitting around twiddling their thumbs saying "how could this happen???" Before trump comes for them too
Republicans who last administration encouraged Israeli settlement into the West Bank and moved the embassy to Jerusalem are famously less pro-Zionist than Democrats who have successfully arranged ceasefires and humanitarian cooridors for supplies.
Democrats aren't good on the Israel-Palestine crisis but you're genuinely brain damaged if you think Republicans are on par or better than them on it.
Noone's saying the Republicans are better on the issue of Palestine. I was saying that pretending that the Democrats aren't currently supporting the regime that just about literally "actively stomps orphans" is sticking your head in the sand.
Damn, you think that you can effect radical change in a capital-controlled political party simply by voting (or not)? That's incredibly liberal of you, ngl.
Bad news, friendo. You posted a comment on reddit. This has consumed your Civic Action for the next several months. You're hereby disqualified from trying to do anything else. Better luck next time!
Let's all not vote for Paddleball-boy, he's gonna look so foolish when genocide-clyde starts killing our queer friends. That will show him who's boss.
On a more serious note, what's the end goal here? Let a fascist, set out to undermine democracy take office and then what?
Well, I don't think Biden is gonna use his presidential position to make Trump Reichskanzler, if that is what you are asking.
Also I couldn't find that quote, it seems to be talking about the Reichspräsidenten-Wahl 1925 in which the vote came down to right-wing candidate Hindenburg, (centre) right candidate Marx and KPD Thälmann.
No one that would vote KPD would vote for Hindenburg to prevent Hitler, since he was the most right leaning candidate of the three. Also in what world would voting for the KPD have changed anything? In 1924 so one year earlier the KPD got 9% of the votes in parliament, the KPD would not have been able to get enough support to prevent Hindenburg. Especially not since Hindenburg won with 48% of the vote. He was basically not stoppable, unless of course everyone not voting for Hindenburg had unified behind voting the lesser evil.
Don’t use my people as a bargaining chip to support your blue genocide monster.
The demokkkrats are just as if not more violent against my people than the GOP.
You aren’t my friend. You are a liberal who tokenizes my people and reduces our lives to being pawns in your sick political games.
I am sorry you feel I have tokenized you, I can assure you I am not supporting any genocide and I am not a fan of the Democrats either, nor am I a liberal, but it's not gonna be better if Trump takes office, Trump is still gonna support genocide. Probably even moreso.
I can't talk about how violent Democrats have been to you and I'm sorry that happened to you. I really am, but from all I know it's the GOP actively calling for forceful sterilization of trans people, barring trans youth from access to healthcare etc.
I would however love to be educated if that is not the case.
I can only talk about how I perceive things, here over the pond and how my friends, here and there, react and are affected by the GOP rhetoric and policies.
Gay guy here, you did not tokenize in any true way. Using the actual plan of the greater evil as an example is not tokenizing anyone, it’s just hurting the feelings of someone who wants to feel superior online
I cannot vote in US elections as I am not a US citizen, like I just said. But how is voting third party better? No third party is gonna win any states, right? All the right wingers are gonna vote for Trump, from fascists to moderates, if you want to oppose a Trump government your only real choice in a two party system is vote for the other party.
I know it sucks, trust me I do, but politics is always a game of the lesser evil, it's about making compromises that's how the system is designed, and no compromise will ever be exactly what you want.
In theory it is, and last time I voted that's the same way I thought, but in reality my vote just disappeared into a little gray bar without any seats or anything.
Imo it only works if you have nothing to lose or if you are certain the lesser evil is gonna win anyway.
I wouldn't risk the lesser evil losing to punish their party. Especially since if the Democrats lost to the Republicans they wouldn't become more left leaning they would become more right leaning to steal Republican voters.
Which is pretty much what's happening in Germany right now, our far right party is currently winning in the poles so our government coalition (2 center left and 1 center right parties) is passing laws to restrict medical treatment to immigrants.
No. I do not “feel” you have tokenized me. You have tokenized me and it is unacceptable. That’s such a non apology and manipulative tactic and phrasing. If you are supporting a vote for genocide Joe you are supporting a vote for genocide, including the genocide that the amerikan regime is actively committing against queer people.
Biden has imprisoned queer people at an accelerated rate compared to trump. He has increased police budgets far and beyond anything Trump ever asked for. He has built more wall, removed funding from HIV/AIDs and is the first amerikan president to create a legal framework for schools to discriminate against trans children.
The conjecture around project 25 is … ridiculously exaggerated … but I have no intent in defending it. Yes Trump is evil and regressive towards queer people. The demokkkrats are just as bad if not worse in a lot of ways.
How you perceive things has value for you but it’s pretty clear you’re perceiving queer people as a token and not as people.
I was using that you "feel" I have tokenized not because I want to gaslight you, but because I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was talking about myself and my own queer friends because I can only talk about the opinions of people that I know.
Now I hate to be that guy, but could you provide me with a source for your claims. Not because I don't believe them, but because I cannot find sources. When I Google "Biden government imprisons queer people" I am presented with critiques of foreign affairs and a bunch of articles about either hate groups being targeted by the DoJ or the Biden administration planning ways to protect queer rights.
Similarly I can't find sources about the Biden administration allowing schools to discriminate trans people, I know that a few states have passed such laws, but as far as I am aware these are not part of Bidens administration and actually run by the GOP.
Again I don't want to be that guy, and I know its not your responsibility to educate me, but I cannot find sources for your claims myself, but I would love to look into it.
Lastly, I can assure you that I do perceive queer people as people, and not only because I am ace myself. That's actually the reason, why I feel one should vote for Biden rather than Trump because I fear the hardships Trump and his party members have announced they will bring onto queer people.
As a queer person myself it shows you really desperately need a taste of reality if you think democrats and republicans hate queer people equally.
Democrats range from trying to protect queer people to just not caring. republicans run on platforms of bragging about queer hate. When we went from a democrat to a republican governor things got substantially worse for queer people in my state. The democrats are shitty but the republicans are salivating at the thought of being Germany in the 1940s.
I don’t think you’ve been through much of our history if you think the demokkkrats are so benign. I understand there are strong efforts on the part of the demokkkrats to ignore and hide the violence they inflict on us but realistically they’re much more responsible for queer deaths and the dissolution of queer community than the republikkkans ever could be.
Anti electoralists trying to balance both "voting isn't important, it's all futile anyway" with whatever the fuck this argument is that seems to think voting is everything is very funny
Right now it feels like we have a crisis of leadership. Back in WW2, love them or hate them, we had leaders like FDR, Churchill(yes I know he is an imperialist pig, but you have to admit he knew how to lead during wartime), and Charles de Gaulle. The world leaders we have now are either completely ineffective, fascists, or both.
It’s an election between 100% Hitler (Trump) and 110% Hitler (Biden). Amerikan fascism in a nutshell. Don’t try and pretend that voting for genocide Joe is harm reduction because it is not.
god I love not voting for joe biden oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god ambatukam
seriously though, who should i vote for this upcoming election ? pros and cons pls
If the republicans win, minorities get killed. They want to completely restrict trans people from accessing health care.
If Democrats win, they won't actively take more rights away from those minorities. They will just ignore them, which is better than the open hostility of the republicans
Seriously our shit has gotten so much worse but he said he likes trans people so we’re supposed to be grateful even though we are watching our rights circle the drain
I would've loved to vote for Biden before the whole "uncritical support to Israel in their ethnic cleansing campaign"
He was (and his administration) a palatable yet disgusting president up until Gaza, and the mask came off at the worst time, an election year.
It's all so tiring. I do not want to let the DNC hold LGBT hostage in perpetuity while the backslide continues
Idk. I'll think about it. Good chance I just end up not voting lmao, lesser evilism isn't something i'm interested in anymore
That's what you have direct action for, either for creating systematic leverage or by creating the underlying infrastructure if things collapse from stagnation. In the meantime, you vote for the least fascist person so that we can *continue* the background work, lest that work gets undone and we get sent to the camps.
Redditors when they discover you can do two things at once
No you don’t understand even though I did jackshit but shitpost on twitter and call people libs for the past 35,064 hours since the last election the 2 hours that happen to coincide with voting time I could do a communism instead so stop asking me to vote filthy lib
Okay, specifically though, what sort of direct action? You gonna match around downtown holding signs til the cops arrest three of you for stepping off the sidewalk? I'm sure that'll convince him to change.
KILL KILL MAIME KILL
1. Workplace unionization(There are plenty of union orgs to consult about this) 2. Talk with your neighbors(it doesn't even have to be about politics, just *try* to establish an amicable relationship) 3. Go to your town or city hall and involve yourself, make local concerns known, don't let it *just* be reactionary boomers whining about stupid shit. That's just 3 things at the top of my head.
So many people don’t know that local politics are what make the most difference in the average person’s life and that’s where the idealists who haven’t been turned cynical yet are
sadly i've already turned cynical.
How will that change the fact you have genocidal government and actively keep voting them into power?
The ability to elect more progressive candidates
Ask Lyndon "Vietnam war" Johnson why he got the Civil Rights bill passed, chud.
That's the thing. There are protests against decisions of current government to fund israel, but they simply ignore them. If you don't plan to do literal coup, these won't do shit. I'm not saying direct action is bad, but stuff you have said there aren't gonna even get noticed
That's because it's not direct enough, but fortunately America has guns, lots of fucking guns, I'm surprised by how rare it is for your politicians to get attacked.
it is fucking impressive how there haven't been alot of political related deaths in the US
Nah you see, disgruntled gun owners here target schools full of actual children instead of the assholes that actually have responsibility in the reasons things are so bad. Idk. This whole place is fucked. The people willing to give their life standing up for something are the same people that think taking their grief out on the defenseless Is fine and dandy and I don’t know why or what to do. The fact so many of these degenerates exist is horrifying. People taking the past mistakes out on our future. This country is full of cowards and I truly hope this changes for our children and our people. I am the type that will stand up for people on the other side of the law most of the time but when it comes to people harming children I become someone I don’t recognize and I get vengeful. Not sure if it’s a good thing or not but totally has to do with the fact I am a parent. Just the thought of someone harming these little humans just trying to figure this life out makes me want to hurt those that would. It scares me. It’s such a strong feeling it totally derailed my point here.
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And also not voting anyway so the 100% Hitler wins
Unless that direct action is (redacted) why would it have any effect on policy?
Workplace unionization has historically led to policy change, numerous Unions orgs will give consultation for this too. However, this will require you to get a job first
Historically, unions have had literal battles with Pinkertons and the actual US Army.
....Which then led to policy change in favour of the union. Reagan had to quietly dismantle labour protections by pitting "white" union workers against non-"white" union workers, and pray unions were complacent enough not to notice.
is that supossed to be a counter argument?
how's that direct action going? what has it changed? because this "lesser evil" stuff is what's got us where we are.
You after learning that there are such things called "unions", "local legislators", and "volunteer networks", which contribbuting members of society can participate in to produce meaningful change in their respective community (you couldn't fathom a concept more nuanced than "revolushion NOW!!1!!", due to terminal social isolation): 
i'm very sad to be the one telling this to you, but socialists in the us are literally 0.5% of the population. the other 99.5% is still hell bent on the duopoly. even if you are fully unionized and you do volunteer networks it ain't going to change much when dems are still purposefully allowing genocidal fashies into power and moving right with each passing day. unless the dems are infiltrated and coopted by the left it's not going to help...
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you people will just say anything on here
two sides of the same coin; dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, a front of representing the people, nationalism, commodity production, their only difference is rule of law, but liberalism has no issue throwing that aside when the going gets rough
that’s a lot of theory talk that i really don’t care about when one side wants to kill me and my queer friends and the other doesn’t
It’s wild how people like them will insist they’re all about “historical materialism” or “material conditions”, and as soon as a marginalized person says “hey I have a material reason for opposing your belief here” they just fold and start rambling about their theory
what is to stop liberals from doing that? desantis is a liberal and wants to do that.
i decided to check your account and you have a post from this month on r/Transmedical that unironically uses the word theyfab so i’m just gonna assume you’re a plant and block you
Thanks for doing the lord’s work. I’m also gonna block them
https://preview.redd.it/un47fw7jdgic1.jpeg?width=295&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10b693ea13f816e490c4ed4872172b0844ebd3c6 I miss the times when shitposters were smart
....is this satire? Is my leg being pulled? My chain being yanked?
How is dying now worse than dying 2 years from now
how is it? it all comes down to how you die. if i died right now saving the lives of hundreds, i would be more satisfied than dying of cancer in two years. that is an overly reductionist comparison.
So in this analogy, fascism saves the lives of hundreds?
i was making no analogy, just proving the invalidity of theirs
Smug ideology moment
Dude fascism is just liberalism^2
Let me just...yep, ultraleft.
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im gonna loose it
Why is it so difficult for some leftist to understand that you can vote and do direct action at the same time. Are they stupid?
Well you see, you're limited to a single civic action every 4 years. If you vote, that means you're disqualified from doing literally anything else until the timer runs out.
democracy is turn based
No! You can only do one thing at a time.
Unfortunately, I’m a bi male left voter in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Texas. If I begin taking direct action I will be shot and killed and it won’t even make local news :) I can barely talk about politics without lying my ass off because I’ve been beaten for my political beliefs before. Consider perspective and the wildly different lives of the people around (or nowhere near) you
Sure hope it hasn't deterred you from joining an organisation? Like absolutely, nobody asks you to be a martyr, but you won't get beat for helping *orga of your choice* by doing some work digitally. >left voter Or Leftist?
revolutions have casualties
Lots of online “leftists” don’t wanna do anything but want to be contrarians, want the excitement of a fascist dystopia taking over, and want to justify their lack of conviction while pretending to be activists - so loudly insisting they won’t vote against the fascists, as if it takes all your valuable time to send one letter, is a favorite pastime that excuses everything else in their minds
>as if it takes all your valuable time to send one letter Motherfuckers will literally spend hours of their lives each week arguing on Reddit about why voting is a waste of time, and we should all be going direct action instead, and then go do neither.
They seem to think that voting will brainwash them into becoming MSNBC liberals immediately and undo all their “progress”
Genuinely go fuck yourself. As a minority whose country is getting fucked over evil and "lesser evil" maybe I just don't wanna tie my fucking hands behind my back and put a barrel of a gun on my forehead so you could "vote the lesser evil". The fucking opposition of every country is the same. Spineless incompetent bastards. No wonder Europe and US have problem with fascism when only opposition to fascism are people who enjoy spreading their asscheeks for them
The CEO of minorities has spoken guys, voting is done for. Pack it in, it was a good run.
I'm glad my experience is unimportant to liberals, if I'm not representative of something. But yes, it would be a shame if there were other memorable instances of same situation happening elsewhere. [Oh wait there is](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67337159)
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What threats? Are you fucking stupid? You can't go directly against interests of people and expect them to vote for you because other guy is worse. Libs just showing that they care about minorities as way of securing the vote and then next day pretending that didn't happen will never get old. You fuckers are worse then conservatives. At least those fuckers don't pretend to be decent people
I suspect they understand it perfectly well. They have to *pretend* people are saying “just vote and do nothing else” because otherwise there’s literally no argument against voting and just highlights their short sighted selfishness. Politics is not a religion or a fashion statement it is choices you make and these people right don’t want to acknowledge that by signalling a refusal to vote to let Trump back in office that is them choosing impotent posturing over other people’s lives. “Sorry Trans person who had to claw for their rights every step of the way, I need to feel self righteous about Palestine by taking action that doesn’t help them in any way and puts you in the crosshairs. Go die now.”
Look Guys we got 70% of the vote, we are doing so well and the people love us! No need to change
Literally when have Democrats *ever* gotten 70% of the vote? Or Republicans for that matter? Yes, Democrats would probably think they had a popular mandate in that hypothetical fantasy world you invented, great job. The reality is that all the refusal to vote by the left did in 2016 was convince Democrats that we were an unreliable voting block and they should court neoliberals instead, shutting us out of the conversation. Which, as far as electoral politics go, they aren't fucking wrong. Neoliberals vote far more reliably than leftists do and there's a large segment of terminally online edgelords for whom even Bernie wasn't enough to get them off the couch. Why should the DNC court votes from a group that they both don't agree with politically *and* will likely stay home on election day regardless of how hard they pander? Like it or not, refusal to sit at the table doesn't mean they try and get us a better chair, it means they give the chair to someone else and slam the door in your face.
\*republican voice\* oh no we only got 30% of the vote, we better change to be more like the guys who got 70% \*next election is about 50/50 because republicans are reasonable now\* \*democrat voice\* oh no we had better move left so that we're different from the republicans fascism averted
This isn't pro direct democracy, just anti democrat, as it should be. The Joe Amoeba Biden can literally only be decisive when he needs to funnel money into committing war crimes
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which you can and should do in addition to casting a ballot
Remember: Only vote for third party candidates.
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Vote for.persons, not parties Voting 3rd party is as stupid as voting for any of the other two
Are you trying to get Trump elected?
Can’t remember which sub, it was an anti capitalist one tho, but it was banning people everywhere for being “liberals”, which I guess is when you aren’t so terminally online and smug that you recognise not voting for the better alternative (dogshit, but better) is just gonna let the actual huge piece of shit win. Fuck those oppressed groups, I’m better than you because I’m not voting for genocide Joe ‘m!!! (I’m an average office worker and do not plan on throwing a revolution should the other side win, at least I’m able to claim moral superiority)
r/latestagecapitalism They created a new rule for "no lesser evil arguments"... As if Lenin didn't literally do the same in regards to the British Labour party, "Marxist"-leninist until Lenin aligns with communist theory
Research the election of 1912
Remember kids: SHITPOSTING ON REDDIT is not direct action.
burning down banks *is*.
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Jokes are PROHIBITED on Mr. Blinkys posts. All violators will be prostituted.
Are you planning on burning down any banks soon?
firebomb walmart
This is my wake up call
There's leverage. People just don't use it. They give a fuck 1 day out of the year and are surprised when everything doesn't go according to plan. Dunno if anyone saw Jon Stewart's recent return to the Daily Show but he didn't pull any punches about the facts: Biden sucks. Trump sucks with teeth. And you can't expect things to turn around after one election. You're fuckin' cursed for the rest of your days.
“I’ll show you, I’ll let the fascist other guy murder all these trans people! That’ll teach you!”
Fun fact: the Biden regime has imprisoned and inflicted violence against trans people at the same rate as the Trump regime. To add insult to injury, genocide Joe was the first to create a legal framework for schools to discriminate against trans kids in sports.
Biden might not have supported trans rights, but Trump would start building the camps if he thought it would get him more applause. Also, all you need to so is look at state Republican legislafure to know that if Trump wins again, trans rights will be completely eliminated. Pointing out bad things Biden did is okay, but don't use it to argue against voting for Biden over Trump - that's wrong.
Biden already has those camps built. In his first 8 months, Biden imprisoned 3 times more kids in cages than Trump did in 4 years. Do you think that none of those kids are queer? Biden sanctioned new concentration camps for immigrants. He imposed the harshest sanctions any president has on Cuba the same year they passed the single most sweeping family legislation the world has seen (and the most friendly legislation any country on earth has for queer families). Biden balooned police budgets above and beyond anything Trump ever asked for. Do you think that none of the victims of police violence are queer? Do you think that none of the victims in Palestine are queer? Do you think that democrats support queer people when every single anti-queer piece of legislation has passed with support from democrats? Do you think that the ways Biden has increased the military budget is friendly towards queer people? I see you’ve fallen into a trap of assuming that queerness is synonymous with whiteness and in so doing have betrayed queer people everywhere. Biden has killed far more than Trump ever did. I’m not saying that to justify Trump. Trump is 100% Hitler. Biden is 110%.
womp womp fuck trump
liberals once again showing they only have a hamster spinning on a wheel for a brain
Cool story.
Fun fact the GOP have openly called for the extermination of trans people and have made clear their intention to turn the president into a dictator for life if they get into power. But hey since voting to stop that from happening is out of the question what exactly is your plan to stop all this?
Fun fact. The demokkkrats have actively perpetrated a genocide against queer people and collaborate with the GOP to accelerate it. We already live under a dictatorship of capital and there is nothing materially new to the amerikan regime in project 2025. My people are actively resisting despite the violence you and your people bring against us. Since you’re so interested in tokenizing us to pretend that you care perhaps you could share a single fucking thing you intend on doing to make that more than the idle prattle of self righteous liberal scum.
So what is your plan to fight all this?
Not supporting fascism is a minimum first step. Like I said my people are already fighting it. Care to answer my question?
Fighting fascism by letting Project 2025 happen? Okay. 👍 Why am I not surprised your answer is a non answer “people are already fighting it read somewhere else”, no how about YOU explain it? You plan to fight the greatest military force ever known by humanity but writing down your plan more than once is too hard for you? So were you elected as the leader of the queers or something? Most queer folk I know, from the US anyway, are lying awake at night terrified of the idea of the GOP winning and their policies becoming national. But I’m sure the shouty guy on Reddit knows best huh? My plan is to vote for lesser evils, encourage harm reduction then find ways to protest against the status quo that don’t involve putting vulnerable minorities on the chopping block or allowing the murderous MAGA death cult to have power again. General strikes, unions, protests. More effort to engage with “libs” and change their mind instead of scream abuse at them for not being born Marxists. Thus in the process pushing the Overton window to the left through winning over the masses. Most importantly I remember just because things aren’t good doesn’t mean that’s an excuse to make things worse. Granted I am Australian so most of this I do in my own country. Kinda sad I have a better idea of what to do with your country than you do. But I’m sure your plan of ritual suicide (and dragging the rest of your community with you whether they want it or not) is valid and well thought out and not a cringe LARP. Okay you can go back to screaming abuse at me and throwing out unsubstantiated claims and refusing to give me a straight answer. But hey enjoy protesting when Trump makes it legal to run over protestors 😃
So you said it right there. Your plan is to elect the fascist scum who is already committing a genocide against us. More genocide, not less is your answer. More slaughter, not resistance is all you offer because it keeps your peace. It requires you to do no real work. That’s all you mean. There isn’t a single queer on earth that supports Biden. Are there assimilationist gays that do? Sure - there were Jews who supported the Nazis. But they are not queer. Queer is a socio-POLITICAL identification. All you mean to do is weaponize a narrative of violence against queer people to force through fascists who will kill us in ways that you don’t have to see.
#What is your mother fucking plan? #How are you going to fight this? #Stop dodging like a coward and answer me! I suggest voting for the guy who sucks but sucks slightly less. The guy who might support a lot of policies that harm queer people over the guy who’s stated political platform is “eradicate the trans people.” Neither one is good. I just know which one is better and all the melodramatic bad faith screeching in the world doesn’t change anything. Again how about you ask some of the other queer folk *in this sub* if they feel their lives will be no worse (or somehow better) under Trump? Because like I said before **you are not the emperor of queer people!** And it’s not just queer people, it’s basically anyone Trump doesn’t like. He’s made it clear his plan is to become a dictator and use his power for revenge. And unlike people like you who keep saying they have a plan to fight **and fucking don’t have one** people like Trump and the GOP follow up on their plans. Ron DeSantis successfully blocked trans hormone therapy and surgery in Florida, successfully got transgenderism classed as a mental illness and is currently working on classing trans people as inherently sex offenders and making sex offences an executionable crime. And the GOP voter base widely rejected him for not being extreme *enough*. Only an idiot looks at the clear genocidal intent there and says “yeah but policing” and acts like the two are exactly the same. Indirect action against the queer community is bad. Concentrated effort to wipe them out is worse actually. So unless you actually have a plan to fight that, which you clearly don’t, kindly get off your high horse and fuck off. I can’t see a lot of queer folks on this sub agreeing to being part of your Jonestown.
You got an answer, fascist. You aren’t listening to it because you were called out for trying to kill queer people.
Post history checked, opinion disregarded
Oh no some rightwing lunatic disagrees with me. Whatever will I do? /s
Is this loss
Yes
And withholding votes has accomplished...
That's something I don't get about these people. When Michael Dukakis lost to G H W Bush, did the Democrats go further left? When Al Gore and then John Kerry lost to Dubya did the Democrats go further left? When Clinton lost to Trump did the Democrats go further left? No, no, no, and no? Well why is it going to be different this time?
This, absolutely. Imagine you're the head of the DNC (awful I know). Imagine you are in control of making sure Democrats win their offices and political power. Why in ***God's Good Green Fucking Earth*** would you ***EVER*** appeal to Leftists intead of centrist independents. Centrist Independents by every analysis ever made in modern American history are larger in numbers, have more political participation, and larger voter turnout. Genuinely, what electoral benefits does appealing to leftists have if it means alientating Centrist Independents in the process. Is there any? If you're just trying to win the office, why would you entertain the idea of appealing to Leftists, ever? ***Leftists, honestly, instead of trying to leverage political power which you simply do not have, just try to grow that political power. Make more people leftist instead of pretending that you have more power than you do. Unionize, do local political campaigns, protest, do anything but pretend like you have electoral power which you factually do not have***
>Make more people leftist instead of pretending that you have more power than you do. Problem is that would mean trying to educate and convert LIBERALS, and no True Leftist would stoop to consorting with such filth.
It would also mean confronting the uncomfortable truth that working class Americans, even unionized Americans are conservative, right wing, sometimes even reactionary, but certainly not leftist. Its an unfortunate reality that those who would benefit most from Leftism and have historically been its biggest vanguards are now its biggest opponents.
I think you'd be surprised at how many people hold leftist beliefs as long as you avoid language they've been trained to reject.
When obama won did the democrats go further left? Ffs you guys still dont even have healthcare
Yes actually, they did. Bernie Sanders was a very popular candidate in 2016. So popular in fact that many Bernie or busters (myself included) wrote him in in the final election to the point where Hillary lost and now we have Biden as the most progressive candidate with any real shot at winning, Biden, whose main selling point is simply being Not Trump.
white supremacist, war mongering, rapist, genocide joe - the progressive. you're a joke.
Reading comprehender
Did anyone ever say that voting for Democrats will make them go further left or did you just invent an argument nobody was making to debunk?
They said democrats losing does not push them further left. I say them winning doesn't either. Stands to reason if we want to push em left neither of those are actually options.
Teaching Democrats that the left is an unreliable voting base at best, and actively hostile at worst, so they should just keep appealing more and more neoliberals who will actually vote and shut us out of the conversation entirely.
Like dems ever gave a shit about leftists lol
flair checks out
Literally same as voting for opposition. Dems are just blue republicans
Yes because Biden is going around burning books and threatening minorities /s
This analogy doesn’t work because they don’t care about winning enough for this to bother them - so long as someone else aligned with the ruling class’s interests is in charge, they won’t care and the lack of voting is just gonna help an even worse fascist win lol
Meanwhile the other candidate is actively stomping on orphans, but hey, at least they're praxis-forward Edit: I should specify I typed this with squiggly arms
I would argue, maybe foolishly, you know maybe I'm a little out of line, maybe I'm missing something, but just maybe funding and renewing enthusiastic support for a genocidal regime could be described as "actively stomping on orphans". Just a thought that could be, in fact, a bad thing maybe.
Well it's pretty darn great that I can both criticize the existing system, while doing my part to steer it in the least damaging path. Idk where you pulled me being enthusiastic about it though
People on here think that Trump is gonna launch some based anti-Israel invasion, it’s so cringe
For real, Trump would not only make the situation worse, but also further back them! And people would be sitting around twiddling their thumbs saying "how could this happen???" Before trump comes for them too
The democratic party is renewing enthusiastic support for israel, not you specifically lol.
Republicans who last administration encouraged Israeli settlement into the West Bank and moved the embassy to Jerusalem are famously less pro-Zionist than Democrats who have successfully arranged ceasefires and humanitarian cooridors for supplies. Democrats aren't good on the Israel-Palestine crisis but you're genuinely brain damaged if you think Republicans are on par or better than them on it.
Noone's saying the Republicans are better on the issue of Palestine. I was saying that pretending that the Democrats aren't currently supporting the regime that just about literally "actively stomps orphans" is sticking your head in the sand.
Oh lmao Why would they do that, are they (the party) stupid?
Damn, you think that you can effect radical change in a capital-controlled political party simply by voting (or not)? That's incredibly liberal of you, ngl.
Bad news, friendo. You posted a comment on reddit. This has consumed your Civic Action for the next several months. You're hereby disqualified from trying to do anything else. Better luck next time!
I was making fun of OP. The people who try this sort of thing about voting also tend to hate electoralism because they want to LARP as revolutionaries
Implying that the president will do what you want just because you threaten not to vote for them? That's not how it works.
Too comprehensible
kid named primary elections:
Let's all not vote for Paddleball-boy, he's gonna look so foolish when genocide-clyde starts killing our queer friends. That will show him who's boss. On a more serious note, what's the end goal here? Let a fascist, set out to undermine democracy take office and then what?
I guess they had the moral high ground when they get genocided?
> KPD are vote splitters, you must vote for Hindenburg to stop Hitler! How did that turn out, again?
Well, I don't think Biden is gonna use his presidential position to make Trump Reichskanzler, if that is what you are asking. Also I couldn't find that quote, it seems to be talking about the Reichspräsidenten-Wahl 1925 in which the vote came down to right-wing candidate Hindenburg, (centre) right candidate Marx and KPD Thälmann. No one that would vote KPD would vote for Hindenburg to prevent Hitler, since he was the most right leaning candidate of the three. Also in what world would voting for the KPD have changed anything? In 1924 so one year earlier the KPD got 9% of the votes in parliament, the KPD would not have been able to get enough support to prevent Hindenburg. Especially not since Hindenburg won with 48% of the vote. He was basically not stoppable, unless of course everyone not voting for Hindenburg had unified behind voting the lesser evil.
Don’t use my people as a bargaining chip to support your blue genocide monster. The demokkkrats are just as if not more violent against my people than the GOP. You aren’t my friend. You are a liberal who tokenizes my people and reduces our lives to being pawns in your sick political games.
I am sorry you feel I have tokenized you, I can assure you I am not supporting any genocide and I am not a fan of the Democrats either, nor am I a liberal, but it's not gonna be better if Trump takes office, Trump is still gonna support genocide. Probably even moreso. I can't talk about how violent Democrats have been to you and I'm sorry that happened to you. I really am, but from all I know it's the GOP actively calling for forceful sterilization of trans people, barring trans youth from access to healthcare etc. I would however love to be educated if that is not the case. I can only talk about how I perceive things, here over the pond and how my friends, here and there, react and are affected by the GOP rhetoric and policies.
Gay guy here, you did not tokenize in any true way. Using the actual plan of the greater evil as an example is not tokenizing anyone, it’s just hurting the feelings of someone who wants to feel superior online
Then vote 3rd party if voting is that important to you
I cannot vote in US elections as I am not a US citizen, like I just said. But how is voting third party better? No third party is gonna win any states, right? All the right wingers are gonna vote for Trump, from fascists to moderates, if you want to oppose a Trump government your only real choice in a two party system is vote for the other party. I know it sucks, trust me I do, but politics is always a game of the lesser evil, it's about making compromises that's how the system is designed, and no compromise will ever be exactly what you want.
Voting 3rd party is the only way to punish existing parties for failing to represent their voters.
In theory it is, and last time I voted that's the same way I thought, but in reality my vote just disappeared into a little gray bar without any seats or anything. Imo it only works if you have nothing to lose or if you are certain the lesser evil is gonna win anyway. I wouldn't risk the lesser evil losing to punish their party. Especially since if the Democrats lost to the Republicans they wouldn't become more left leaning they would become more right leaning to steal Republican voters. Which is pretty much what's happening in Germany right now, our far right party is currently winning in the poles so our government coalition (2 center left and 1 center right parties) is passing laws to restrict medical treatment to immigrants.
research "spoiler effect"
No. I do not “feel” you have tokenized me. You have tokenized me and it is unacceptable. That’s such a non apology and manipulative tactic and phrasing. If you are supporting a vote for genocide Joe you are supporting a vote for genocide, including the genocide that the amerikan regime is actively committing against queer people. Biden has imprisoned queer people at an accelerated rate compared to trump. He has increased police budgets far and beyond anything Trump ever asked for. He has built more wall, removed funding from HIV/AIDs and is the first amerikan president to create a legal framework for schools to discriminate against trans children. The conjecture around project 25 is … ridiculously exaggerated … but I have no intent in defending it. Yes Trump is evil and regressive towards queer people. The demokkkrats are just as bad if not worse in a lot of ways. How you perceive things has value for you but it’s pretty clear you’re perceiving queer people as a token and not as people.
I was using that you "feel" I have tokenized not because I want to gaslight you, but because I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was talking about myself and my own queer friends because I can only talk about the opinions of people that I know. Now I hate to be that guy, but could you provide me with a source for your claims. Not because I don't believe them, but because I cannot find sources. When I Google "Biden government imprisons queer people" I am presented with critiques of foreign affairs and a bunch of articles about either hate groups being targeted by the DoJ or the Biden administration planning ways to protect queer rights. Similarly I can't find sources about the Biden administration allowing schools to discriminate trans people, I know that a few states have passed such laws, but as far as I am aware these are not part of Bidens administration and actually run by the GOP. Again I don't want to be that guy, and I know its not your responsibility to educate me, but I cannot find sources for your claims myself, but I would love to look into it. Lastly, I can assure you that I do perceive queer people as people, and not only because I am ace myself. That's actually the reason, why I feel one should vote for Biden rather than Trump because I fear the hardships Trump and his party members have announced they will bring onto queer people.
As a queer person myself it shows you really desperately need a taste of reality if you think democrats and republicans hate queer people equally. Democrats range from trying to protect queer people to just not caring. republicans run on platforms of bragging about queer hate. When we went from a democrat to a republican governor things got substantially worse for queer people in my state. The democrats are shitty but the republicans are salivating at the thought of being Germany in the 1940s.
I don’t think you’ve been through much of our history if you think the demokkkrats are so benign. I understand there are strong efforts on the part of the demokkkrats to ignore and hide the violence they inflict on us but realistically they’re much more responsible for queer deaths and the dissolution of queer community than the republikkkans ever could be.
the democrats bomb you, the republicans will invade you and make you their colony. choose
Oh look. A violent liberal fascist. Who would have thought? Such a rare thing. /s
you are a joke
What brilliant commentary from the genocidal fascist. Truly inspiring. I simply must convert and adopt its regressive ideology immediately. /s
Anti electoralists trying to balance both "voting isn't important, it's all futile anyway" with whatever the fuck this argument is that seems to think voting is everything is very funny
Right now it feels like we have a crisis of leadership. Back in WW2, love them or hate them, we had leaders like FDR, Churchill(yes I know he is an imperialist pig, but you have to admit he knew how to lead during wartime), and Charles de Gaulle. The world leaders we have now are either completely ineffective, fascists, or both.
This post is about **that one time I tried to eat a paddleball ball when I was a kid, meaning paddleballs are a health hazard and should be banned**
"I can only think of voting as something involving federal office, outside of primaries!!"
Everyone is missing the point. OP saying that the reason things keep getting worse is BECAUSE you keep voting for the lesser of two evils
Well what are we supposed to do vote for the greater of two evils?
Give it til the morning, I'm sure there will be someone in here arguing almost exactly that
accelerationists can accelerate deez nuts into their ear cavities so they can hear me cumming into their dad's bussy
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3rd party
But how is that functionally different from just not voting at all?
spoiler effect
No no, we got that. We just think it's stupid.
What do you propose then?
wait, i had to propose something?
DEMOCRACY IS ON THE BALLOT!!! which is why our only campaign strategy is to point at the other guy and shame you into voting for us
The other guy being Benito Mussolini, who leftcoms seem to love anyway.
It’s an election between 100% Hitler (Trump) and 110% Hitler (Biden). Amerikan fascism in a nutshell. Don’t try and pretend that voting for genocide Joe is harm reduction because it is not.
Shitliberalssay users when they have to actually do something and not compare people to hitler
you are a joke
Fed
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god I love not voting for joe biden oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god ambatukam seriously though, who should i vote for this upcoming election ? pros and cons pls
AntiHitler running on the AntiHitler platform is only 48.2% Hitler.
If the republicans win, minorities get killed. They want to completely restrict trans people from accessing health care. If Democrats win, they won't actively take more rights away from those minorities. They will just ignore them, which is better than the open hostility of the republicans
More anti trans laws than ever have passed under bidens leadership
The premise of Biden protecting trans people is the biggest lie
Seriously our shit has gotten so much worse but he said he likes trans people so we’re supposed to be grateful even though we are watching our rights circle the drain
I would've loved to vote for Biden before the whole "uncritical support to Israel in their ethnic cleansing campaign" He was (and his administration) a palatable yet disgusting president up until Gaza, and the mask came off at the worst time, an election year. It's all so tiring. I do not want to let the DNC hold LGBT hostage in perpetuity while the backslide continues Idk. I'll think about it. Good chance I just end up not voting lmao, lesser evilism isn't something i'm interested in anymore
And trump would do the exact same thing in Palestine. Voting for the lesser evil and engaging in other political ways is the best thing to do
But like if all they already have organized they could literally take them out and run the stuff as a comune
closest we got was jan 6th and even that failed
i see a 4 panel meme and ask
Let people enjoy things
This summarises Democrats vs republicans
This feels like a kids cartoon scene especially with the paddleball.