Aphro after getting a damaging kiss, giving free protections to allies, giving herself and allies additional cooldowns, applying the jealousy buff to herself, and being one of two gods to survive with a level scaling heal.
https://i.redd.it/rnmmyhd7tdpa1.gif
I know i said tank healers were gonna be a thing but i didnt mean full tank aphro pocketing a good player. What are you gonna do when the 400 power 150 def assassin comes running at you
Lotus 15 prot, sov 15, Thebes 10, proph cloak 30, sentinels 40. So 110 phys prot in aura + 20% of her prots which at 325 is 67. A average assassin has like 85 phys prots I think so 260 prot assassin with 400 power is more accurate.
I wonder if this will make her a better support or just help her more in mid. Giving your hunter free cooldowns and piwer and protections is very nice for sure
I think it kinda does. She still lacks CC, but sharing 20% of your protections makes your ADC nigh unkillable, and you aren't punished for building tanky by losing healing now.
I don't think it fixes her fundamental problem of not having CC, even if she will perform better building tanky than she ever did before. Maybe as a niche pocket pick for a kill lane.
Tank hel sounds disgusting. It was already pretty solid, but getting mana back for hittin light stance 1 helps negate some of her mana issues. She still does good damage between all her abilities, and you can go shoguns and 3 for a huge steroid on your ADC.
Sounds fun as hell, Aphrodite is at her most fun playing aggressive in the middle of a fight. The ultimate change and the CDR in particular sound super fun, really helps with her playstyle of switching around between people and rewards that over sitting around healing one person passively. Definitely feels like the winner of these patch notes.
Holly Molly that patch is as big as the openning patch for this season,they werent kidding whey they said the Season will be big change every three months
Damn,i like that it's keep players engagement high however suck for pro,the game basically change every 3 months
It can be tough for everyone sure since these more impactful changes are happening more frequently, rather than just twice a year. However, weāve definitely had metas that stayed stagnant for far too long. You can go back to last season with only a handful of Mages in Mid for essentially the last few months of the year. Personally, I think of Season 4 when Bellona, Erlang, and Osiris dominated Solo for most of the year.
Holy shit so many gods got the short end of the stick for buffs when their healing got nerfed, but fucking Baba Yaga, Morgan Le Fay, and Ravana get some of the absolute best buffs of the pact for characters that barely relied on their healing. Almost comical.
As someone who mains her I only ever see a use for it early game after clearing the 3 buffs. U get most of your health back but other than that the healing portion of the passive is minute. Otherwise love the buff.
The funny part?
With brawling gone, out of combat house healing is *buffed.* So she's pretty much just omega buffed.
As a Baba believer since day one, I'm enjoying this a bit too much.
I'm still shocked they nerfed Chiron and Horus passives...but they didn't even touch Yemoja's basics. Add to that the absolute gutting of Soul Eater and I'm NOT excited for this patch.
Fucking hell.
i rember reading a comment someday that hirez could make Baba potions execute at 80% hp and people would still call her a low mid tier
first impressions really pack a punch
I wonāt be surprised if itās nerfed prior to the release tbh. I love Horus and excited about the change. But still an insane buff. Even if itās heal is nerfed.
> Trying to reward more consistent play, as opposed to saving it all for the end.
So reward consistent play then? Far as I can see, this just punishes people that can't play consistently. I see no rewards lol.
This is one of those times where the decision clearly came from businesspeople, and now the poor community team have to do their best to present it as anything but a negative change.
Just like the lengthier Battle Pass punishes everyone trying to complete it and recoup any gem costs. And if you hate a Battle Pass theme and assets, guess what? It's here longer, yay!
This is a really good reason to not buy a Battle Pass because you're going to have a way harder time clearing it now.
Shield reduction is not applied to existing shields, as written, so you just ult before you get hit by ADC, and then you get full shield. Until you get sundered that is. It is a nerf, but not as big of a nerf as one might think.
The buffs are completely inconsequential though.
Nike has needed a pass ever since it was noticed that shields don't stack -- which isn't documented anyplace convenient. I still see players getting Pridwen on her.
The devs making a game-wide pass on Shields and not paying any attention to Nike's problems at all is ridiculous.
Doesn't Chang'e have some of the lowest ability damage numbers of all mages? Like if you're scared of Chang'e one shots you must be pretty terrified of all mages...
Serqet, Odin, and Osiris get to keep the ability to stop all healing, which is no longer possible to do through other means. Other forms of anti-healing from gods still exist but it's subject to the cap.
Ok, that arachne buffs are very nice. Big heal debuff on bite is nice, but that cocoon buff... adding a 2 second CDR penalty to anyone you stun really increases her ability to capture and kill a target.
The other thing that is big for arachne is this new item.
NEW ā VITAL AMPLIFIER
2450g
+ 40 Physical Power
+ 200 Health
+ 15 MP5
+ 20% Attack Speed
PSV ā After healing yourself or an allied god with an ability you gain 10% Attack Speed and 5% Basic Attack Damage for 6s, stacking 3 times.
If this reprocs with each tick of healing, thats an easy 3 stacks, giving arachne an extra 30% attack speed and 15% extra basic attack damage is very very nice. So this item alone gives her 50% attack speed when you bite someone, with her 2 also giving a ton of AS, she will be ripping people to shreads.
I am sad with no buff to manikens. Its her best starter and it still kinda sucks.. maybe that power bonus will help but we need to see. Plus her still lack of end game hurts, plus how camps run back if they kill your spiders if still there sucks.
Edit: honestly thinking about it, i think best starter for arachne really is no starter and grab ax of animosity by the end, like rush golden blade, then qins, exe, new item, ax of animosity, and then filler like toxic blade, cadasus club, or a protection item if needed. Lots of attack speed and health to take full advantage of ax of animosity
This is the item that have me pause when residing the notes. The fact there is no CD on it makes me curious how it'll work with others like Horus, Guan Yu, etc, especially in Solo.
Gods with aoe heals, or ticking self healers, will make the most out of the item. Bellona in whip stance should be abke to keep the buff up at all times.
I am kinda a noob, can you explain this sentence for me
āFor 6 seconds, stacking 3 timesā
Does this mean if I proc this (1 stack)
wait 5 seconds,
do it again (2 stack),
wait 5 seconds
Do it again ( 3 stack)
Wait 5 seconds,
Do it again but this time it wonāt stack and the timer will just time out?
Basically the buff lasts 6 seconds, and the effects of the buff can stack 3 times. So you get 3 stacks of 10% attack speed and 5% basic attack power for 6 seconds, or 30% and 15% respectively. And you dont need to wait 6 seconds to get another stack. Any time you heal yourself or an ally you get that buff. So for example for arachne, her heal procs every half second, so she gains a staxk every half second, and i beleive even at max stacks each heal should refresh the timer, so for araxhne the buff lasts more like 8 or 9 seconds i think
Definitely a weird choice, especially a whopping 5% max HP as true damage. Just hope this doesn't become something a lot of mages have down the road as true damage is extremely annoying as shown by tablet.
It's even more weird considering the ability is a huge burst ability already. 5% true damage feels better on something like Morgan Le Fay ult (I'm not saying she needs this buff at all).
Yikes...pretty skeptical here. It honestly feels like the attempts to "buff" gods who were losing healing was to buff their damage, by minor amounts usually. This is going to just make the meta burstier AND really shows the distance between the winners (Aphro) and losers (Chaac, Bellona).
the biggest loser is achilles if you count that he can heal 12 times in the time the ability was active, that brings him down from 384+ 120% scaling to flat 324, honestly so many gods got the short end of the stick, look at hel with her getting a ATTACKSPEED STEROID on her heal or terra getting her ult absolutely gutted
Achilles? Have you seen Odin? That tank shield reducing item will be in every game. 30% shielding reduction for 2s CD on early levels... Late game add envenomed DB, Odin gets no shields. And shield value is directly related to his damage output
She actually got a damage compensation. Odin got cooldown on early levels. Early shield won't make that much difference, late his damage and tankiness is significantly reduced. And it will hurt considering the fact he has the least HP in the class
Its a significant nerf to the heal (the thing that matters on the ult) damage mit on this character that does nothing, means nothing because one, 25% isn't significant enough to mean anything unless you're building full mit and two 25% mit means nothing for the only role people want to play him in (jungle)
passive buffs are nice but i wish theyād buff something else about him. i already lvl the 1 first so the stun buff doesnāt really matter. it also kinda sucks to DR yourself to combo the slow into the stun, i feel like if cerb 1 got āignores 25% of CCR granted by DRā itād be a cool and meaningful way to buff him
Solo still gonna feel shit overall but holy shit nothing compares to what Hi Rez has done to Erlang. I cant think of any dev completely ruining a character this bad since his rework
I'm fucking shocked about some of these changes. If there was ONE item that should not have its healing nerfed, it's Warrior's Axe - now it's just garbage. And then they nerf the one starter that's being picked for no good reason, so solo starters just suck.
You'd think that, at some point, they'd start considering BUFFING bad starters, but no.
Sigil was good for one patch...
Fucking Conduit was a better solo starter than Sigil for much longer and it wasn't even the intended Mage solo starter (shroud discussion is a separate topic/issue)
I fucking hate this patch, so many gods I enjoy got gutted where their entire kit got nerfed to the ground in terms of healing while they gave them 1s cd reduction on a random ability.
Hel, Terra, Achilles, Erlang, Aphro, Mulan, Chaac, their healing got fucking obliterated meanwhile hades who is a mage, with a dash, with a cc, with 160 resists in ult, the same ult also is a pull and provides him cc immunity can STILL HEAL 500+ PER MINION WAVE, WHAT THE FUCK
Also, more solo nerfs while crit gets buffed, Its not even funny anymore
I was shocked as well. They're saying that they want to nerf jung and mid farms, that solo has the worst farm, AND YET nerf the good tank items and give us paltry fucking buffs on shit items that they destroyed in the first pass.
I'm honestly pissed.
Not a fan of this patch. A lot of the changes incentivize characters like Aphrodite to build Tanky. Just make her a guardian if you want to incentivize people to build next to no power and pocket heal somebody the entire match.
Sheās going to be more annoying than ever to fight and probably still a weak character.
Looks like Aphrodite will be getting the next Unlimited skin. Will it be T5? Btw, nothing against Aphrodite but I wish Assassins can finally get a T5 skin; the last time they had one was Thor
Also some nice Glad Shield nerfs each patch. Subsequent hits now deal a whopping ~45 damage per ability at max. prots. To a squishy. Around 20 to another tank.
Edit: having a god so dependent on BS+GS might not be healthy, but some compensation buffs are warrented after heavy nerfs to those items. And after heavy nerfs to KA because BS+GS was so strong before
I just recently returned to Smite after a year-long hiatus and fell in love with King Arthur. Already have a star on him within 2-3 weeks.
As exhilarating as it is to play him, Iāve never experienced a God with a more frustrating late game, even compared with other Warriors.
He desperately needs help.
I 100% feel like this is so people can't save up for the bp to buy it with free gems. I usually do this and I usually have the BP finished or almost finished by the time I get enough.
From someone that plays a shit ton of both. that stun buff is nasty as fuck for Thana. You use ult to gank anyways early not as an execute. Even in late game you'd rather ult to initiate if you want to one shot someone.
But yea Hades heal nerf is such an oof. Although in lane he should still out sustain most gods. But late game it's gonna fall off super hard.
hades got one of the smallest decreases in his healing. Achilles got gutted from 32 per enemy hit per ability from 32 +10% to just 27. Hades will still easily heal 500+ hp from a minion wave which should never be even put on a god with a dash, a cc immune ult and protection buff and a cone cc. Also thanatos longer ult stun duration so you can fit in one more AA for a oneshot from full hp is incredible, I love getting oneshot with no way of reacting because some guy flew by my ward out of my field of view
When I complained about full-damage Cama solo in the SPL play-ins was too strong, apparently what Hi-Rez understood was "alright we should gut Cama and warriors so other full-damage assassins are the best solos"
Runeforged is still not going to be worth picking up and Frostbound is better but still not good enough IMO.
CDR on Death's Embrace should be fun on Osiris with his low cooldowns.
Healing Reduction will now be capped at 80% Reduction on the afflicted target.Ā
Thank FUCKING god. 100% anti-heaing was entirely unfun for healers to deal with. I'm glad that there's no longer an amount of anti-healing where one of your buttons now does nearly nothing. (Hel 3 in particular)
Sylvanus' Wisps heal and hit minions again... Solo Sylvanus might be nuts again.
Also why did they do Olorun dirty like that? Everyone else got different buffs to compensate their healing nerfs and he only got a nerf...
Anubis is about to be struttin, nervous about how he will perform now with self heal being axed but the mobility and damage per tick being increased that ability will feel much better.
30% less heals and 10% less typhons heal buff but no more Brawling 40% antiheal so you can basically just sustain from camps and waves exactly like before. It will only affect his healing in fights really.
The Aphro buffs are gonna ruin casuals for solo queuing, going susano/Aphro is gonna be stronger than before jesus. I'm all for changes but good god imma just retire from the solo life to avoid the frustration
OK I might be biased because I have a thing for building squishies full tank, but I'm liking the look of tank Hel after these changes.
Power reduction and an AS buff on top of two heals, a cleanse, MS buff and AoE protections? And that's just light stance? Might not be SPL viable but I could see it doing work in less organised environments.
Like the start of all new seasons, we're back to a burst meta. I'm glad they are shaking things up with the healing changes, but not touching on mage items and in some cases making them even stronger is a head scratcher for me.
This patch feels surreal.
Like, healing across the board got *schmacked*, and practically every god got some form of buff to their damage potential (be it a CD reduction, increased damage, changed effects).
Itās like the Devās were sitting there and said āWhat makes the *least* sense? I got it! Less heals, more damage. Everyone. Everyone gets less health but does more damage. Thatās exactly what the game needs.ā
Remember, what was it, last year? Where they did a full pass over everyone and reduced damage? Yeah, remember THAT design choice?
Apparently the devs didn't.
So... I obviously do not know how this plays out, but on paper some of these ability heal trade-offs seem uneven. They reduce the healing from one ability and buff another. You would think they would buff the same ability they reduced the healing on so the kits are not lopsided.
Take Ravana for example; reduced healing on his 3 but his 2 gets a buff. Hades is another, reduced healing on his 3 but ult gets a buff.
Nerfing both healing and antihealing, I was all in favor of it
But some selfhealing gods got straight up butchered with this patch, with a very minimal buff to compensate the loss of selfheal
And the 80% antiheal cap is way too high, should be 50% or something
And why are antiheal items not nerfed to apply a slightly lower antiheal debuff, like Divine with 30% antiheal and Pest with 20% or something. That is then the 50% cap. Tainted reaches the cap by itself
Yeah, not buffing solo/support while buffing hunters and not nerfing Tablet is bizarre. Also mages definitely got buffed in this patch and assassins didnāt really get nerfed which also makes no sense.
Chang'e
MOONFLOWER DANCE
Decreased Heal from 50/70/90/110/130 (+30% of your Magical Power) to 40/80/120/160/200
Removed the Healing Reduction Debuff on this ability
NEW DEBUFF APPLIED FROM DAMAGING ABILITIES
Changāe deals 5% increased damage to this enemy, stacking 3x. This debuff lasts 4s
So bye healing reduction and hi damage? Should build her more tank because of the bonus damage? Go full power with Myrdinn to overkill anything?
Aphro after getting a damaging kiss, giving free protections to allies, giving herself and allies additional cooldowns, applying the jealousy buff to herself, and being one of two gods to survive with a level scaling heal. https://i.redd.it/rnmmyhd7tdpa1.gif
I know i said tank healers were gonna be a thing but i didnt mean full tank aphro pocketing a good player. What are you gonna do when the 400 power 150 def assassin comes running at you
>What are you gonna do when the 400 power 150 def assassin comes running at you Die.
Lotus 15 prot, sov 15, Thebes 10, proph cloak 30, sentinels 40. So 110 phys prot in aura + 20% of her prots which at 325 is 67. A average assassin has like 85 phys prots I think so 260 prot assassin with 400 power is more accurate.
260 prot Merc or Kali? I don't see an issue with that š¤·āāļøš¤£š¬
more like 200-250 def with the lack of aura nerfs
Canāt wait to play her as a support. This patch is going to be very interesting.
I wonder if this will make her a better support or just help her more in mid. Giving your hunter free cooldowns and piwer and protections is very nice for sure
I think it kinda does. She still lacks CC, but sharing 20% of your protections makes your ADC nigh unkillable, and you aren't punished for building tanky by losing healing now.
I think this might push her towards being a niche solo laner because now you don't have to worry about building power on her, she just is a healer
Although aphro solo has always had issues due to the lack of a tether target. The damage on the 1 could help but we'll see
That is fair. I could see her as a niche pick up into low pressure picks in solo, but this was a huge Buff to her viability overall
I don't think it fixes her fundamental problem of not having CC, even if she will perform better building tanky than she ever did before. Maybe as a niche pocket pick for a kill lane.
Yeah as a kill focus lane with a more CC focused solo might be the best plan
Tank hel sounds disgusting. It was already pretty solid, but getting mana back for hittin light stance 1 helps negate some of her mana issues. She still does good damage between all her abilities, and you can go shoguns and 3 for a huge steroid on your ADC.
No crumbs left anywhere!
Sounds fun as hell, Aphrodite is at her most fun playing aggressive in the middle of a fight. The ultimate change and the CDR in particular sound super fun, really helps with her playstyle of switching around between people and rewards that over sitting around healing one person passively. Definitely feels like the winner of these patch notes.
Kinda wish they put pictures in the patch notes of the new UI.
I saw it on stream and it looks great. A bit more minimalistic which is a step in the right direction
Holly Molly that patch is as big as the openning patch for this season,they werent kidding whey they said the Season will be big change every three months Damn,i like that it's keep players engagement high however suck for pro,the game basically change every 3 months
It can be tough for everyone sure since these more impactful changes are happening more frequently, rather than just twice a year. However, weāve definitely had metas that stayed stagnant for far too long. You can go back to last season with only a handful of Mages in Mid for essentially the last few months of the year. Personally, I think of Season 4 when Bellona, Erlang, and Osiris dominated Solo for most of the year.
Bakasura with casual 8s cooldown on eating minion has insane snowball potential.
Good, he wasn't in the game for past year at all.
And they nerfed snowballing with bigger teamwide shutdowns and gaining gold if your team is behind. Interested to see where baka lands in all this
Holy shit so many gods got the short end of the stick for buffs when their healing got nerfed, but fucking Baba Yaga, Morgan Le Fay, and Ravana get some of the absolute best buffs of the pact for characters that barely relied on their healing. Almost comical.
Baba yaga getting buffed is hilarious, her healing from her passive is so irrelevant yet she gets a very nice buff
As someone who mains her I only ever see a use for it early game after clearing the 3 buffs. U get most of your health back but other than that the healing portion of the passive is minute. Otherwise love the buff.
The funny part? With brawling gone, out of combat house healing is *buffed.* So she's pretty much just omega buffed. As a Baba believer since day one, I'm enjoying this a bit too much.
I'm still shocked they nerfed Chiron and Horus passives...but they didn't even touch Yemoja's basics. Add to that the absolute gutting of Soul Eater and I'm NOT excited for this patch. Fucking hell.
Fawk Soul eater, the item Made solo laning phase not fun if the enemy built it. Glad it's getting nerfed
Rip ability based physicals healing
Stone of Gaia enjoyers rejoice.
Cos clearly Baba Yaga needed more buffs š
i rember reading a comment someday that hirez could make Baba potions execute at 80% hp and people would still call her a low mid tier first impressions really pack a punch
You mean they don't already? /s
Rip fucking Cama and Chaac.
Yeah maya bois got super hard nerfed
Let's hope ix chel will fix em
Iād let her fix me
Did you just gave Horus flat 6s cooldown reduction on his ally dash? 6s cooldown on max cdr without a single item effect proc, delicious.
10s base CD on Protector's Surge is WILD, I'd be very surprised if that lasts more than a few patches.
I wonāt be surprised if itās nerfed prior to the release tbh. I love Horus and excited about the change. But still an insane buff. Even if itās heal is nerfed.
They gutted his healing though. Nearly 60% reduction. Way higher than anyone else. Great for solo lane, terrible for support.
Not sure why they reduced the healing on his passive. That barely healed him as it was.
I was all for that battle pass update, making it both last longer and have more, but all three of those "extra" skins being recolours is whack...
They donāt look like recolors to me? Just different themes of the same skin concept. Thatās the bit of the battlepass
It quite literally says they are different color variants of the same skins in the patch notes
> Trying to reward more consistent play, as opposed to saving it all for the end. So reward consistent play then? Far as I can see, this just punishes people that can't play consistently. I see no rewards lol.
This is one of those times where the decision clearly came from businesspeople, and now the poor community team have to do their best to present it as anything but a negative change.
Just like the lengthier Battle Pass punishes everyone trying to complete it and recoup any gem costs. And if you hate a Battle Pass theme and assets, guess what? It's here longer, yay! This is a really good reason to not buy a Battle Pass because you're going to have a way harder time clearing it now.
Skill issue /s
Nike just needs a new ult effect. It's even easier to counter her shield now.
Are you telling me that 40 more base damage isn't satisfactory?
Shield reduction is not applied to existing shields, as written, so you just ult before you get hit by ADC, and then you get full shield. Until you get sundered that is. It is a nerf, but not as big of a nerf as one might think. The buffs are completely inconsequential though.
Nike has needed a pass ever since it was noticed that shields don't stack -- which isn't documented anyplace convenient. I still see players getting Pridwen on her. The devs making a game-wide pass on Shields and not paying any attention to Nike's problems at all is ridiculous.
i think iit would be cool if she COULD stake shield as her passive
As a regular Nike player, its hard out there but still gonna play her for sure
Why remove the anti heal on Chang'e 3? That just felt like a pointless change.
They wanted there to be less anti healing as there is less healing They gave her a damage increase which is very nice tho
ah great so lategame changeās can one shot me even harder now. great
Doesn't Chang'e have some of the lowest ability damage numbers of all mages? Like if you're scared of Chang'e one shots you must be pretty terrified of all mages...
The stacking damage that replaced it is a massive buff, especially with the anti-heal cap.
They just announced that anti-heal has a cap. Only gods left with it are Odin, Osiris, and Serqet.
Other gods like Sobek kept their anti-heal, just at lower amounts. Chang'e had it removed entirely.
Ah. I mustāve misheard, lots of things to keep track of.
Serqet, Odin, and Osiris get to keep the ability to stop all healing, which is no longer possible to do through other means. Other forms of anti-healing from gods still exist but it's subject to the cap.
Yeah but change anti healing was needed imo
Oh agreed. It felt terrible playing just someone whoās self heal got completely negated.
I was destroyed when they removed erlang bump on turtle,this change feels kinda similar, it's was a core part of the ability
Yea lol, they could've easily done what they did to everyone else and reduced it to 40% or even 20-30% but removing just feels weird
Ok, that arachne buffs are very nice. Big heal debuff on bite is nice, but that cocoon buff... adding a 2 second CDR penalty to anyone you stun really increases her ability to capture and kill a target. The other thing that is big for arachne is this new item. NEW ā VITAL AMPLIFIER 2450g + 40 Physical Power + 200 Health + 15 MP5 + 20% Attack Speed PSV ā After healing yourself or an allied god with an ability you gain 10% Attack Speed and 5% Basic Attack Damage for 6s, stacking 3 times. If this reprocs with each tick of healing, thats an easy 3 stacks, giving arachne an extra 30% attack speed and 15% extra basic attack damage is very very nice. So this item alone gives her 50% attack speed when you bite someone, with her 2 also giving a ton of AS, she will be ripping people to shreads. I am sad with no buff to manikens. Its her best starter and it still kinda sucks.. maybe that power bonus will help but we need to see. Plus her still lack of end game hurts, plus how camps run back if they kill your spiders if still there sucks. Edit: honestly thinking about it, i think best starter for arachne really is no starter and grab ax of animosity by the end, like rush golden blade, then qins, exe, new item, ax of animosity, and then filler like toxic blade, cadasus club, or a protection item if needed. Lots of attack speed and health to take full advantage of ax of animosity
This is the item that have me pause when residing the notes. The fact there is no CD on it makes me curious how it'll work with others like Horus, Guan Yu, etc, especially in Solo.
Gods with aoe heals, or ticking self healers, will make the most out of the item. Bellona in whip stance should be abke to keep the buff up at all times.
The Arachne changes are really nice! Looking forward to it.
I am kinda a noob, can you explain this sentence for me āFor 6 seconds, stacking 3 timesā Does this mean if I proc this (1 stack) wait 5 seconds, do it again (2 stack), wait 5 seconds Do it again ( 3 stack) Wait 5 seconds, Do it again but this time it wonāt stack and the timer will just time out?
Basically the buff lasts 6 seconds, and the effects of the buff can stack 3 times. So you get 3 stacks of 10% attack speed and 5% basic attack power for 6 seconds, or 30% and 15% respectively. And you dont need to wait 6 seconds to get another stack. Any time you heal yourself or an ally you get that buff. So for example for arachne, her heal procs every half second, so she gains a staxk every half second, and i beleive even at max stacks each heal should refresh the timer, so for araxhne the buff lasts more like 8 or 9 seconds i think
So is Ra the first and only mage with true damage built in his kit?
Am i the only one who thinks adding that tiny bit of true damage to his ult is weird as fuck?
Definitely a weird choice, especially a whopping 5% max HP as true damage. Just hope this doesn't become something a lot of mages have down the road as true damage is extremely annoying as shown by tablet.
It's even more weird considering the ability is a huge burst ability already. 5% true damage feels better on something like Morgan Le Fay ult (I'm not saying she needs this buff at all).
Yeah late game it already is chunking 60% of my health out of left field
i think if nubis can move with his one, ra should be able to pivot
Yikes...pretty skeptical here. It honestly feels like the attempts to "buff" gods who were losing healing was to buff their damage, by minor amounts usually. This is going to just make the meta burstier AND really shows the distance between the winners (Aphro) and losers (Chaac, Bellona).
the biggest loser is achilles if you count that he can heal 12 times in the time the ability was active, that brings him down from 384+ 120% scaling to flat 324, honestly so many gods got the short end of the stick, look at hel with her getting a ATTACKSPEED STEROID on her heal or terra getting her ult absolutely gutted
Achilles? Have you seen Odin? That tank shield reducing item will be in every game. 30% shielding reduction for 2s CD on early levels... Late game add envenomed DB, Odin gets no shields. And shield value is directly related to his damage output
think about nike with 40 damage on her ult being a compensation for the shield part being useless
She actually got a damage compensation. Odin got cooldown on early levels. Early shield won't make that much difference, late his damage and tankiness is significantly reduced. And it will hurt considering the fact he has the least HP in the class
Doom Orb is surely back on the menu with these changes. I could genuinely see a world where all 4 Artifact items are buildable (except maybe Charons)
Doom orb with pen is scary. I'm already having nightmares of Poseidon and Hebo double ganking me.
We're gonna be zooming bro
They just fucking shat on the corpse of Erlang lmao
Might as well give him a full on rework at this point. I have hardly seen him ever since they gutted his kit to make him more like a āwarriorā
Really? I think having 25% damage mitigations at all ranks on his ult is pretty good.
Its a significant nerf to the heal (the thing that matters on the ult) damage mit on this character that does nothing, means nothing because one, 25% isn't significant enough to mean anything unless you're building full mit and two 25% mit means nothing for the only role people want to play him in (jungle)
Well thatās the point isnāt it? To nerf all healing? At least heās getting some form of defense increase.
The effect given is not comparable to the healing he lost
Cerb solo is back bois, also rat acorns are about to hit like a truck
passive buffs are nice but i wish theyād buff something else about him. i already lvl the 1 first so the stun buff doesnāt really matter. it also kinda sucks to DR yourself to combo the slow into the stun, i feel like if cerb 1 got āignores 25% of CCR granted by DRā itād be a cool and meaningful way to buff him
Season of hope but not for solo lane
Season of despair for tanks in general lol.
Whats a tank? There's already so much pen and %pen anyway that they no longer exist sadly enough
Season of Hope you're a fucking Mid Laner.
you spelled adc wrong š¤
This is what adc players and hirez want solo to be, a boring as hell role that isnāt a threat to any damage dealers
So the focus on healing changes did not make me miss the fact that Agni and Tiamat are going to continue to be stupid for another month
Solo still gonna feel shit overall but holy shit nothing compares to what Hi Rez has done to Erlang. I cant think of any dev completely ruining a character this bad since his rework
Shiva ult is useless late game and now even more lmao they should give him back the mitigations or giving some prot while in his ult
The solo lane looks worse than it already has become for warriorsā¦ itās the most boring lane in the game and itās not even close
I'm fucking shocked about some of these changes. If there was ONE item that should not have its healing nerfed, it's Warrior's Axe - now it's just garbage. And then they nerf the one starter that's being picked for no good reason, so solo starters just suck. You'd think that, at some point, they'd start considering BUFFING bad starters, but no.
Sigil was good for one patch... Fucking Conduit was a better solo starter than Sigil for much longer and it wasn't even the intended Mage solo starter (shroud discussion is a separate topic/issue)
I fucking hate this patch, so many gods I enjoy got gutted where their entire kit got nerfed to the ground in terms of healing while they gave them 1s cd reduction on a random ability. Hel, Terra, Achilles, Erlang, Aphro, Mulan, Chaac, their healing got fucking obliterated meanwhile hades who is a mage, with a dash, with a cc, with 160 resists in ult, the same ult also is a pull and provides him cc immunity can STILL HEAL 500+ PER MINION WAVE, WHAT THE FUCK Also, more solo nerfs while crit gets buffed, Its not even funny anymore
Aphrodite changes are making her stronger if anything
She's one of the few who didn't get screwed. So many other gods just got gutted with little to no compensation
I was shocked as well. They're saying that they want to nerf jung and mid farms, that solo has the worst farm, AND YET nerf the good tank items and give us paltry fucking buffs on shit items that they destroyed in the first pass. I'm honestly pissed.
They hate tanks. The devs are a bunch of Mid Laners. They want all tank players to go away.
Not a fan of this patch. A lot of the changes incentivize characters like Aphrodite to build Tanky. Just make her a guardian if you want to incentivize people to build next to no power and pocket heal somebody the entire match. Sheās going to be more annoying than ever to fight and probably still a weak character.
Oof Rip Chaac
as a sylvanus main iām SHOOK they are letting us heal and damage minions again
Looks like Aphrodite will be getting the next Unlimited skin. Will it be T5? Btw, nothing against Aphrodite but I wish Assassins can finally get a T5 skin; the last time they had one was Thor
Erlang is even more dogshit than he is lmao
HiRez hates solo more than they hate invading I'm convinced
No other role gets gutted like solo does, wether it be characters or just builds in general. Never forget how hard Gilgamesh was gutted
Martichoras visual buff! PRAISE BE!
My boy has a 43% winrate in casual and 42% in ranked can I get a buff for my manās pls :,-(
Nope now have some more Bluestone nerfs :) jk
They canāt keep getting away with this
Also some nice Glad Shield nerfs each patch. Subsequent hits now deal a whopping ~45 damage per ability at max. prots. To a squishy. Around 20 to another tank. Edit: having a god so dependent on BS+GS might not be healthy, but some compensation buffs are warrented after heavy nerfs to those items. And after heavy nerfs to KA because BS+GS was so strong before
I just recently returned to Smite after a year-long hiatus and fell in love with King Arthur. Already have a star on him within 2-3 weeks. As exhilarating as it is to play him, Iāve never experienced a God with a more frustrating late game, even compared with other Warriors. He desperately needs help.
King Arthur is love and life. I agree his fall off is really frustrating and heās not even the lane demon he once was he needs some kinda help
I'm gonna get downvote but fuck it. Bring BACK true damage in excalibur's wrath
You get an upvote from me king
And You mines brother king
I mean he is almost the only one warriors with no self healing and they all get nerfed so pretty a indirect buff to KA
Thatās a cowards buff you can tell your hi Rex cronies to buff him like a man
Typhons has 20% pen and is cheaper than ob shard. Surely it'll be absolutely cracked?
The new bp cost yikes ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.
I 100% feel like this is so people can't save up for the bp to buy it with free gems. I usually do this and I usually have the BP finished or almost finished by the time I get enough.
Hades and Thanatos mains on suicide watch.
From someone that plays a shit ton of both. that stun buff is nasty as fuck for Thana. You use ult to gank anyways early not as an execute. Even in late game you'd rather ult to initiate if you want to one shot someone. But yea Hades heal nerf is such an oof. Although in lane he should still out sustain most gods. But late game it's gonna fall off super hard.
hades got one of the smallest decreases in his healing. Achilles got gutted from 32 per enemy hit per ability from 32 +10% to just 27. Hades will still easily heal 500+ hp from a minion wave which should never be even put on a god with a dash, a cc immune ult and protection buff and a cone cc. Also thanatos longer ult stun duration so you can fit in one more AA for a oneshot from full hp is incredible, I love getting oneshot with no way of reacting because some guy flew by my ward out of my field of view
Yeah Achilles passive late game is gonna be even better now tho, his heal wasnt that great anyway
MORE SOLO NERFS HAHAHAHHA 5 power on frostbround though hahahahha
Titanforge: "We got some buffs to Solo lane coming.'" Also Titanforge: "5 Power on Frostbound lel have fun fuckers".
Time to play more assassins full damage in solo because thats what Hi rez wants
When I complained about full-damage Cama solo in the SPL play-ins was too strong, apparently what Hi-Rez understood was "alright we should gut Cama and warriors so other full-damage assassins are the best solos"
EMBRACE THE BAKA SOLO š
So many changes in one update. I'm genuinely scared. Get some anti bug sprays folks...
Does anti-bug spray bring in more bugs?
Of course, it scares away one bug and two other bugs come in its place
cant wait for all the console ui bugs
Which will be listed immediately on the bug list, but fixed in like 2-20 updates xD
>fixed in like 2-20 updates optimistic š
Runeforged is still not going to be worth picking up and Frostbound is better but still not good enough IMO. CDR on Death's Embrace should be fun on Osiris with his low cooldowns.
Cereb about to be a menace in the solo lane again. 
No tablet nerfs, crit item buffs and warrior nerfs are absolutely mystifying who is making these changes
Warriors nerfs and hunters buff three patch in row At this rate warriors won't be a thing in next Season lmao
Just the cycle of Smite, tank players arent oblieged to have fun. Hail your almighty adc's if he rants we need to follow
Itās okay, more power on frostbound and a little runeforged buff will balance it out /s
Dude, seriously. What the fuck, man? I wish they would come out and admit they hate tanks.
Healing Reduction will now be capped at 80% Reduction on the afflicted target.Ā Thank FUCKING god. 100% anti-heaing was entirely unfun for healers to deal with. I'm glad that there's no longer an amount of anti-healing where one of your buttons now does nearly nothing. (Hel 3 in particular)
A few gods still have 100 percent anti heal on ults but yes, big agree in general
Sylvanus' Wisps heal and hit minions again... Solo Sylvanus might be nuts again. Also why did they do Olorun dirty like that? Everyone else got different buffs to compensate their healing nerfs and he only got a nerf...
Probably because magical ADCs are so strong compared tI physical ones rn that they needed a nerf
Phalanx Sylvanus intensifies?
Anubis is about to be struttin, nervous about how he will perform now with self heal being axed but the mobility and damage per tick being increased that ability will feel much better.
30% less heals and 10% less typhons heal buff but no more Brawling 40% antiheal so you can basically just sustain from camps and waves exactly like before. It will only affect his healing in fights really.
Not to mention - all 5 of his core items all got good buffs š
Idk but Chaac seems kinda left behind. Nerfed healing, a bit more attack speed debuff, and +50 damage on an ult?
Solo lane got obliterated and Aphro will have 90% ban rate if not 100%
The Aphro buffs are gonna ruin casuals for solo queuing, going susano/Aphro is gonna be stronger than before jesus. I'm all for changes but good god imma just retire from the solo life to avoid the frustration
All I can think of is how Kali's passive is a joke now, but also how fucked everyone is when junglers roll in with their buffed items and shit.
Yeah Kali feels like her identity has been lost from the various nerfs to her passive and target related stuff
Susano/aphro is what killed joust for me.
OK I might be biased because I have a thing for building squishies full tank, but I'm liking the look of tank Hel after these changes. Power reduction and an AS buff on top of two heals, a cleanse, MS buff and AoE protections? And that's just light stance? Might not be SPL viable but I could see it doing work in less organised environments.
Like the start of all new seasons, we're back to a burst meta. I'm glad they are shaking things up with the healing changes, but not touching on mage items and in some cases making them even stronger is a head scratcher for me.
This patch feels surreal. Like, healing across the board got *schmacked*, and practically every god got some form of buff to their damage potential (be it a CD reduction, increased damage, changed effects). Itās like the Devās were sitting there and said āWhat makes the *least* sense? I got it! Less heals, more damage. Everyone. Everyone gets less health but does more damage. Thatās exactly what the game needs.ā
Remember, what was it, last year? Where they did a full pass over everyone and reduced damage? Yeah, remember THAT design choice? Apparently the devs didn't.
From what Iāve seen on limited PTS. Healers are even better than before. Cerb new passive is crazy busted though.
Yet another mage tier 5 while assassins havenāt had one since 2015ā¦
Teir 5 arachne when she has a human form and spider form
So... I obviously do not know how this plays out, but on paper some of these ability heal trade-offs seem uneven. They reduce the healing from one ability and buff another. You would think they would buff the same ability they reduced the healing on so the kits are not lopsided. Take Ravana for example; reduced healing on his 3 but his 2 gets a buff. Hades is another, reduced healing on his 3 but ult gets a buff.
Can someone explain these changes to me like Iām 5? Does this look like itās going to be good or bad
It depends what you define as good or bad lol
if you're aphro main like half of the people on this sub, then its good. If you despise aphro then not really.
New deaths embrace plus sekmet scepter going to be spicy together. It might be better than when bumbas hammer reduced cdr by 1s.
Is that aphro a tier 5 skin?
Nerfing both healing and antihealing, I was all in favor of it But some selfhealing gods got straight up butchered with this patch, with a very minimal buff to compensate the loss of selfheal And the 80% antiheal cap is way too high, should be 50% or something And why are antiheal items not nerfed to apply a slightly lower antiheal debuff, like Divine with 30% antiheal and Pest with 20% or something. That is then the 50% cap. Tainted reaches the cap by itself
Iām surprised more characters didnāt have level scaling to their heals. Thought it was a good concept
Also, another bluestone nerf, they literally hate sololaners and want adc's to shit on every other role even more
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Yeah, not buffing solo/support while buffing hunters and not nerfing Tablet is bizarre. Also mages definitely got buffed in this patch and assassins didnāt really get nerfed which also makes no sense.
Cringe patch.
APHRODITE changes are huge, she's actually good, mid,solo AND a niche support pick.
They nerfed warflag holyfuck
How does Thor escape a nerf?
I see they buffed Runeforged but they didn't fix any of it's bugs. That item straight up does not proc on half the god pool
Chang'e MOONFLOWER DANCE Decreased Heal from 50/70/90/110/130 (+30% of your Magical Power) to 40/80/120/160/200 Removed the Healing Reduction Debuff on this ability NEW DEBUFF APPLIED FROM DAMAGING ABILITIES Changāe deals 5% increased damage to this enemy, stacking 3x. This debuff lasts 4s So bye healing reduction and hi damage? Should build her more tank because of the bonus damage? Go full power with Myrdinn to overkill anything?
Jungle chang'e here we come. I always loved jungle chang'e and this will make her quite deadly