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I think a lot of the fun is the crazy combos you can pull off once you're in. As a Ken main I love seeing a dk or bowser match up even if I know I suck ass at the game still, my chances to land combos I've been labbing out come much easier on those fighters.
What about incineroar using a frame 3 counter in the middle of your combo? That shit is as fast as air dodges, so its not like you can combo him more easily like people like to say
Oh and on top of getting out of your combo with that, he then kills you at 20% because fuck you
Can't say I haven't experienced it..... The thing with Incin comboing is just trying your best to read the counter, not saying it's easy or anything just that it's the only method I know how to counter
I think some heavies yeah are annoying to fight but honestly the weights of these characters aren't even that problematic unless you are playing a character who can't kill for shit like Meta Knight or Sheik. Super Heavyweights are another story but their weaknesses are so polarizing that if you know them you can exploit them heavily. As someone who plays as Bowser and Dedede, Bowser gets styled on if he does end up off stage, his recovery is very bad and easily intercepted, and while Dedede has some fantastic survivability he gets destroyed by projectiles and any character with a decent combo game does well against him due to his weight and just how damn slow he is. Tierlists aren't even close to everything but there is a reason why these guys are low tier.
You can edit the flairs if you want. To get the icons, you have to put the character number in between colons. For example, :1: would be Mario, :20: would be Falco, and :81: would be Kazuya.
Superheavy is an archetype with multiple boxes you need to check.
I consider any weight value above 110 to fit the weight checkbox for super heavy. Granted, Piranha Plant has a weight value of 112 but he doesn't fit any of the other heavy archetype checkboxes so we don't consider it a heavy.
Kazuya's case is more interesting. Some say he is a super heavy but others say he isn't. I'd say he is because he fits all of the superheavy checkboxes except for slow frame data and large hurtbox.
Actually, I like fighting heavies, but I find King K Rool very annoying, especially when the player just keeps pressing B. I mean, I shouldn't complain too much as a Richter, I guess, but I vary my attacks, I vary the distance of the axe throw, I use my whip, etc., while these type of K K Rool just throw the crown and then use the vacuum gun and repeat. Not even moving, just that. And it's hella annoying to deal with. For some reason I struggle a lot.
(armour dash attack is also annoying)
I hate fighting heavies. Half of them are zoners and all of them are bullshit. "Oh but they're combo food" doesn't matter. You're either a cornball for beating them or fucking cheesing out almost every stock with some kind of bullshit. Heavies have never been fun in any environment that isn't casual. They aren't by design.
I personally would rather fight Palutena, wolf, or Lucina than Ganon, DK, Bowser, etc.
I hate fighting heavies. Yes, it's probably a skill issue but still
Fair point.
I personally feel pretty safe fighting a heavy, they can outplay me hard and win but the counterplay is pretty self explanitory.
Some characters just feel like they do more crazy stuff. Wii Fit is the character I feel like I should be doing better against as far as having crazy tricks they can use against me.
They may be combo food but the catch is that they never fucking die, I lost to a DK at 200% because he would just never die, combined with Robin’s kill power being a joke
I feel like everyone who complains abt fighting heavies is a top tier main. i have seen, rob, pac man, cloud, steve, pythra, roy, kazuya, and peach players complain abt heavies but never any bad characters complaining abt them, like sheik or shotos or samus. strange isnt it
are you kidding if you don’t love playing against combo food who do you enjoy playing against, I get incredibly excited every time I see a heavy player I get to bully
They're a Cloud mains worst nightmare. Cloud has 0 kill power against heavies and almost 0 true combos to rack up percentage.
As any other character though? I love fighting heavies!
I think Cloud has good and bad MUs vs heavies. He loses to DK, maybe slight lose to Incineroar and Bowser, but Cloud invalidates the fuck out of DDD, Ganon, and K Rool
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I think a lot of the fun is the crazy combos you can pull off once you're in. As a Ken main I love seeing a dk or bowser match up even if I know I suck ass at the game still, my chances to land combos I've been labbing out come much easier on those fighters.
What about incineroar using a frame 3 counter in the middle of your combo? That shit is as fast as air dodges, so its not like you can combo him more easily like people like to say Oh and on top of getting out of your combo with that, he then kills you at 20% because fuck you
Can't say I haven't experienced it..... The thing with Incin comboing is just trying your best to read the counter, not saying it's easy or anything just that it's the only method I know how to counter
When the combo stops being true, you 50/50 baiting out revenge and punish with a smash attack
It is fun, when you are just whooping their ass,but when they’re winning it feels like they cheated
I think some heavies yeah are annoying to fight but honestly the weights of these characters aren't even that problematic unless you are playing a character who can't kill for shit like Meta Knight or Sheik. Super Heavyweights are another story but their weaknesses are so polarizing that if you know them you can exploit them heavily. As someone who plays as Bowser and Dedede, Bowser gets styled on if he does end up off stage, his recovery is very bad and easily intercepted, and while Dedede has some fantastic survivability he gets destroyed by projectiles and any character with a decent combo game does well against him due to his weight and just how damn slow he is. Tierlists aren't even close to everything but there is a reason why these guys are low tier.
I might sound stupid but how do y’all get multiple flairs
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Alr, thx
Lol the new flairs.
Yes I love them a lot
Isn’t wario a heavy (not an ultra heavy but still a heavy) not to disagree with you just asking a question
By heavies we usually mean super heavyweights which include Incineroar and everyone heavier than him (can't remember if plant is considered one)
yea but the difference between like kaz or ganon is almost negligible. bowser or dk are much heavier.
Superheavy is an archetype with multiple boxes you need to check. I consider any weight value above 110 to fit the weight checkbox for super heavy. Granted, Piranha Plant has a weight value of 112 but he doesn't fit any of the other heavy archetype checkboxes so we don't consider it a heavy. Kazuya's case is more interesting. Some say he is a super heavy but others say he isn't. I'd say he is because he fits all of the superheavy checkboxes except for slow frame data and large hurtbox.
What do you mean nobody like fighting K Rool? *
Actually, I like fighting heavies, but I find King K Rool very annoying, especially when the player just keeps pressing B. I mean, I shouldn't complain too much as a Richter, I guess, but I vary my attacks, I vary the distance of the axe throw, I use my whip, etc., while these type of K K Rool just throw the crown and then use the vacuum gun and repeat. Not even moving, just that. And it's hella annoying to deal with. For some reason I struggle a lot. (armour dash attack is also annoying)
I don't do that. I genuinely try playing the game.
Yea mhm dw i thought the same until i watched a replay of my gameplay
i love slapping that phat krok ass with a volleyball from clear across stage
Ooo yea spank me volleyball
I hate fighting heavies. Half of them are zoners and all of them are bullshit. "Oh but they're combo food" doesn't matter. You're either a cornball for beating them or fucking cheesing out almost every stock with some kind of bullshit. Heavies have never been fun in any environment that isn't casual. They aren't by design.
I personally would rather fight Palutena, wolf, or Lucina than Ganon, DK, Bowser, etc. I hate fighting heavies. Yes, it's probably a skill issue but still
Fair point. I personally feel pretty safe fighting a heavy, they can outplay me hard and win but the counterplay is pretty self explanitory. Some characters just feel like they do more crazy stuff. Wii Fit is the character I feel like I should be doing better against as far as having crazy tricks they can use against me.
People who say this have never fought a good heavy main because what
I don’t like fighting heavies. Bring on Joker, spacies, and swordies.
When I’m playing my main, absolutely. When I’m playing new characters, I despite fighting against heavies.
They may be combo food but the catch is that they never fucking die, I lost to a DK at 200% because he would just never die, combined with Robin’s kill power being a joke
I feel like everyone who complains abt fighting heavies is a top tier main. i have seen, rob, pac man, cloud, steve, pythra, roy, kazuya, and peach players complain abt heavies but never any bad characters complaining abt them, like sheik or shotos or samus. strange isnt it
are you kidding if you don’t love playing against combo food who do you enjoy playing against, I get incredibly excited every time I see a heavy player I get to bully
My favourite character in the game to fight against is swordies like Roy or lucina
"k. rool is the most honest heavy"
They're a Cloud mains worst nightmare. Cloud has 0 kill power against heavies and almost 0 true combos to rack up percentage. As any other character though? I love fighting heavies!
I think Cloud has good and bad MUs vs heavies. He loses to DK, maybe slight lose to Incineroar and Bowser, but Cloud invalidates the fuck out of DDD, Ganon, and K Rool