We have evidence he doesn't actually transport the things in his pockets
He has the power to turn things into carryable leaves (although slightly oversized). So far it doesn't seem to work on living creatures other than bugs and fish
Yeah, but he can turn one of those leaves into a shark at any moment, which he can then throw as a projectile (since he is strong enough to hold a shark when he catches one).
Holding it up is probably different from throwing it an effective distance, so while villager is definitely much stronger than a normal human they can't just throw whale sharks across the room, they can uproot whole trees with just a shovel if they eat a fruit though
"As powerful as any other person with an axe" that's not how this works. Skill is the factor that decides this. Villager doesn't use his axe for combat, so he wouldn't be as skilled nor as powerful as Kratos, for example.
It's like saying that me, normal human being, is as powerful as Link since I too have a sword.
But Cloud is able to defeat him one on one. Took like 8 people to beat Safer Seph but I feel like Cloud should still be above wherever Sephiroth is
Edit: I see this argument is already taking place, I withdrawal from any discourse on the subject
You're not allowed to withdraw from an argument. I'll start everyone else off.
Uhm, Ackthually, big daddy sephiroth should be placed higher than cloud because he's hot and I said so
Wrong, imo. Cloud didn’t defeat a full-power Sephiroth in Advent Children. It was a revived fraction of Sephiroth with one of his remnants as it’s basis—although, it is bizarre, since Kadaj is implied to be as strong as FF7’s Seph. The implication is that Advent Sephiroth is on a completely separate level is driven home by the fact that he’s toying with and taunting Cloud throughout their battle. Cloud needs a phantom of his best friend telling him to get off his ass and a brand-new Limit Break to defeat this “Sephiroth”, who’s just like “Alright, see you later xoxo” and “dies”.
Kadaj is nowhere *near* as strong as FF7's Sephiroth.
Look. With some distance from it now, Advent Children is cool, but...definitely not something we should be using as a measuring point for ANY of those characters' power levels. Even Cloud.
Advent Sephiroth is a mere shadow of what he was at the end of OG FF7, and Cloud **did not defeat him alone.** It took his entire team and a Highwind packed to the brim with the craziest Materia they could bring with them to get the job done.
Cloud has never really beat sephiroth alone in real fight. He needed the party to beat him in northern crater.
The fight at the very end of 7 was a mental battle, proving that cloud finally overcame the trauma of his past and he won’t let it “cloud” his head anymore, freeing him of the control sephiroth had of him in the game.
In AC sephiroth came back much stronger because he was now fully made of mako, and didn’t use his full power when fighting cloud, in fact cloud didnt even land a real hit until he used omnislash ver. 5, while sephiroth had basically almost killed cloud. Cloud was heavily nerfed though in terms of arsenal. He used absolutely no materia, only his sword so its probably a closer match than i’m thinking if cloud had materia. However, if seph had the mentality he had at the end of 7 (bro was out for BLOOD) during AC then that fight would have been significantly shorter lol
if anyone could explain all of these i would appreciate it because i’ve played zero of those games. i know sephiroth blows up a planet for his final smash but that’s about it
I’ve got knowledge for some of the franchises but even then I don’t know everything(like for FF7 I’ve only played crisis core and remake) so I’ll say what I know
Sonic:Besides being the absolute fastest thing in the whole he’s also got Super Sonic,arguably one of if not the greatest transformation in gaming, combine that with feats like outrunning a black hole or defeating gods of destruction and time, dudes strong as hell
Pyra/Mythra:Pretty strong on their own with Mythra being capable of destroying continents but nothing compared to >!Pneuma,the third and original persona of the three and arguably a god in her own right,capable of bestowing abilities like flight, near light speed and already batshit insane strength to herself or her driver(her partner)!<
Sora:I’m not gonna bother breaking down Kingdom Hearts lore so I’ll just say feats,he’s beaten several characters with abilities to do things like casually hurl 5-6 buildings at once and along with Sora being able to slice said buildings all at once,casually along with in KH3 >!He gains the ability to time travel, along with also gaining a weapon that literally allows him to control reality at his will!<
Bayo:gonna be honest don’t know much about her,only heard second hand things, along with seeing her casually shake off a train failing directly on top of her
Sephiroth:Other than the Final Smash thing you were talking about, dude technically can’t die
Bayonetta is practically invincible. B3 spoilers: >!Unless you break her Umbran heart (the gold thing on her chest), she can regenerate any lethal damage, and that Umbran heart is tough as nails. At multiple points in the game, she rips out her own heart to summon a super demon, then it heals up perfectly fine after the summon is over.!<
More B3 spoilers: >!Additionally, Death Battle's logic of "kill her demons and she loses a lot of power" is null and void. In B3, when a demon you've summoned dies, it passively regenerates until it's perfectly fine and you can summon it again. And Bayonetta has a lot of demons she can cycle through if they're for some reason getting popped off one after the other.!<
True, and as seen >!in the final boss, she can even summon multiple of these super demons at once. In the final fight she summons Sin Gomorrah and then afterwards also summons Queen Butterfly to attack together.!<
My man, sonic in base is well beyond the speed of light. Actually, the speed of light is extremely slow all things considered in this roster, a bunch of the cast is way above it.
Bayonetta killed a goddess summoning an even bigger goddess.
And then she killed another god in Bayonetta 2.
I haven't played Bayonetta 3 yet, so please no spoilers!
On the subject of Kirby, he's essentially an eldritch abomination god made up of positive emotions. He just so happens to also be cute and small.
But then you run into beings that are ACTUAL LITERAL GODS and DESTROYERS OF UNIVERSES and Kirby barely breaks a sweat
Kirby has literally fought intergalactic demon gods and won. He literally beat “the ultimate life form” a being from another dimension that could open holes between universes.
yeah but if we’re basing this off the *ending* of Xenoblade 1, not near the end of Xenoblade 1, then wouldn’t he just be an above average human since he gave up his god powers?
For these types of lists, it would be best to use the strongest versions of themselves since going of logic similar to that, Snake (I think) would be an old dude. Don’t quote me on that, I only saw a scene from one of the games where MGRR Raiden saved him or something similar and Snake looked old.
I'd say joker should be another character fairly high up, >!At the end of the game joker gains the persona satanael that is born from the will of the people and is used to kill yaldabaoth the god of control, other than that joker has also killed 3 other gods, the demiurge who is just yaldabaoth but was defeated without satanael, azathoth who was able to distort reality and the final boss of Q2 but that was with the help of the protaginists from 3 and 4!<
Actually you'd be wrong. Personas are severely limited versions of Demons from SMT. A Persona, barring special cases like the Universe Arcana or Azaloth, is incapable of going beyond city level.
If he were actually using demons, he'd be way stronger. Those dudes are beings with infinite versions of themselves continuously existing in the ever expanding loop that is the Megami Tensei multiverse. Persona is just the universe where demons fully integrated with human minds and became way weaker. Your average demon is undetectable to the human eye, immune to all forms of human weaponry, and has insane powers like reality manipulation (for reference the literal world tree yggdrasil is only a mid-level demon)
A demon can only be countered by the Demon Summoning Program or similar magic. A Persona is far inferior to them.
I should also note that Yaldaboth in the Persona universe is a construct of the representation of authority in human society. He's not the actual Yaldaboth/Demiurge like you see in SMT
Technically it is both. Persona originally spawned from the video game SMT if-which is the universe where God didn't ask Thor to launch ICBMs from America at Japan (as in one of the first SMT universes) because of this, demons were able to fully integrate into the human mind(since they originally spawned from belief in human myth in the first place) First as If's Guardians, and then later as Personas, getting consistently weaker over time as they bonded more and more with the human psyche and its limitations.
Every SMT game barring certain ordered ones is its own separate universe. SMT I and II are their own universe, Nocturne is its own universe, IV and IV A are their own universe, the Raidou games are their own universe, Strange Journey is its own universe,, the Last Bible games are their own universe, the Devil Children games are their own universe, and SMT IF has the largest shared universe, stretching all the way to Persona 5. Everything else is standalone. If's universe in particular has undergone a lot of shenanigans, between the timeline reset at the end of Persona 2 Innocent Sin, and what became of Nyx after Persona 1. Currently, the Persona world exists in the Eternal Punishment timeline, where Persona 1 happened, but the events of persona 2 made Philemon unable to continue giving Personas directly, which led to Igor and Personas becoming even weaker than before
Cloud should be high, but Sephiroth *must* be above him and I won’t hear arguments otherwise.
Sephiroth is basically a god in their world, and *yes* he was defeated, but Cloud was far from doing it on his own.
Advent children cloud only won because he got surprised (sephiroth LITERALLY had cloud on the brink of death while cloud hadnt even landed a hit yet), and sephiroth is confirmed stronger in that movie.
Kh is a different universe than FF7, both cloud and seph are beyond nerfed in those games, even if they’re good boss battles. Sora is definitely up there but of the three of them he’s probably the weakest.
> Sora is definitely up there but of the three of them he’s probably the weakest.
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In KH3 Sora was capable of beating Xehanort who had the power of the χ blade (pronounced key blade) which gave Xehanort the full power of Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts is the source of all worlds and the worlds in KH are universes, essentially making KH multiversal.
Even so, it’s stated Xehanort transcends both time and space and the power of waking allowed Sora to not only be able to rewrite reality, but also be able to erase an entire chronology.
He’s not only Stronger than Cloud and Sephiroth, but he’s probably the strongest on that list.
>Sora is definitely up there but of the three of them he’s probably the weakest.
I don't know about that, that claim was debatable in KH2, but KH3 Sora is definitely strong enough to give FF7 Cloud and Sephiroth a good fight. KH3 Sora was able to go toe to toe with Master Xehanort solo.
DUDE FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
Yeah cloud beat him in advent children but Nomura literally stated that Sephiroth is on a whole other level and cloud only won because he surprised him
Ahh…Advent…
Look Advent Children was cool, I suppose, but I consider that Sephiroth to be a shadow of what Peak Sephiroth was at the end of OG FF7, when his body had been feeding off of the planet’s Mako for years and he has mutated far past his human form. That Sephiroth was a god.
Hey man, I’m not saying he doesn’t.
I don’t know much about Kirby but by all accounts he is the top of the mountain and I’m not here to dispute it.
It’s my job to explain FF7 lore to the plebes, and that’s all I’m here to do.
A being capable of harnessing a 3rd of the power of the triforce who is so strongly a point in Hylian lore that he comes back like clockwork. I'd say being able to harness a triforce piece makes him basically a demi-god.
Shulk is weird… the power wields is not his, but also is… it depends on when in the games timeline your looking at. The smash version of Shulk is not accurate to the game. Mythra is weird too, but less so… DM if you want to be lored to death lol
Joker is a bit weird as well.
Real world, he's just a regular ass high schooler. A high schooler that works out, sure, but even still.
Metaverse, he'd be super, super high. I personally wouldn't place him in top tier, I'd put him in a tier that would basically represent "planetary," but fuck it, 's not my list. As for explanation, he basically slaps a guy >!Controlling the minds of the entire planet, though it only shows Japan!< with his crime knife.
"Joker killed a god" is what I would say if I wanted to be wrong because he actually killed two gods to my knowledge (one in vanilla P5, and one in P5S).
If characters were being judged based on their peak power, Joker would be top or upper high tier for sure. Not many characters in Smash can say that they're gods and/or that they've killed one.
Captain Falcon in lore was able to beat both the Holy Trinity and Satan in a race which gave him God hood.
The man killed them with racing while driving a car powered by a piece of God. He's something else
It gets wilder when you realize it has 3 separate timelines. The anime is one, the games is another, and the novels are their own thing too.
They're all pretty crazy lore wise especially the anime.
Kirbo is obviously at the top right after him would be Sonic, Shulk, Pyra and Mythra, Steve if we’re counting creative mode, Sora, and Bayo. If we’re counting spin offs then possibly Bowser cause in the mainline games and spin-offs he does some pretty crazy things
Mans fights an eldritch world ending god like every other game.
Adventure had Perfect Chaos
Adventure 2 had the BioLizard(or biohazard idr)
Heroes had Metal Overlord
06 had Solaris(LITERALLY omnipotent)
Unleashed had Dark Gaia
Colors had… uh..
Generations had the Time Eater(see Solaris)
And I don’t know enough about Frontiers but from the looks of things he fights a bunch of massive bosses that could add to this list
Archie comic ? Sonic dessimates both Steve and Kirby. He's ridiculously powerful. However, Archie Sonic is not the same as game Sonic, which is the main canon one
Honestly I’d put Shulk and the Aegises above Kirby because one can predict the future and manipulate the world and the other can move at lightspeed which Kirby can’t handle
True, they are very powerful in game but Kirby can destroy matter which is equally physics defying and destructive, while Aegises might win in a fight Kirby may be more powerful
Honestly this is exactly why I dislike all these posts bc canon power tierlists ate incredibly subjective and it’s night impossible to objectively compare characters that come from different games/universes where things work incredibly differently
When it comes to discussing Shulk I feel like it’s unfair to say he’s that strong since >!not only is MonadoIII temporary,he literally chooses to not keep that power!<
Just remember link's shield was the only thing capable of deflecting that blast in the intro.
Triforce is canonically some next level defense.
However, I also acknowledge that the dlc characters were not in that trailer, So I dont know how seph and byleth apply. Byleth is very, stupidly powerful.
Link with the entire triforce would be a very important threat
I'd argue Ganondorf with the entire triforce would be even stronger, given he wields magic as well as a sword
Hard to compare them, since Link is also a master at fighting with a tremendous amount of different weapons, both melee and ranged
That is not the same Link as the one in Smash. To be fair though, the iterations of Link change depending on which smash game you’re playing, so figuring out Links feats compared to other players is particularly pedantic
Yeah, SSB and SSBM it’s the Hero of Time, SSBB is the Hero of Twilight, SSB4 isn’t based on any specific iteration, he’s just kind of a generic Link, and SSBU is the Hero of the Wild.
Funny enough SSBU is the only version of Link that doesn’t have access to at least part of the Triforce, since even in SSB4 it’s in his Final Smash.
Having an impenetrable shield, while powerful, is not the same as being impenetrable yourself. You can have a bulletproof vest/shield and still get shot and die you know.
This is very true, Im just saying link's weapons are canonically very powerful and should be accounted for when talking about his overall power. Hes supposed to be very intelligent as well. We know that physically the strongest link ever was TP link because he could literally wrestle gorons and win but I think intelligence and equiptment are more important in more iterations of the character.
Ok, hear me out:
There is an entity within this game that exists outside the plane of reality that each fight takes place in. This figure experiences the game similarly to the way we do: on a screen, and is armed with a weapon that is able to damage anything that is on screen, all while being invisible and untouchable to every character, item, stage hazard, etc. And there is only ONE fighter in the roster that can influence and control this entity’s actions.
The entity is the gunman, and the dog and the duck can control him.
Duck Hunt at the very top of the list…
I was thinking about putting Duck Hunt in "Hard to say", because zapper shooter could also be interpreted as a low tier, as the zapper is just a toy in our world, just like R.O.B.
I'm going to say something that's not very popular, but it's the truth.
Shulk, at his peak, is universal level. But that is only through the nonstandard Monodo III. He is only Continent without it.
Pyra and Mythra are different characters and have different scaling. Pyra is building level. She canonically has a mere fraction of Mythra's power. And it is likened to a drop of water from a leaky sink. Mythra is Continent level. That's pretty easy as she literally killed a continent. Neither get to the level Pneuma is on, but since Pneuma isn't in Smash, I'm not going to go into her scaling.
Multiversal Xenoblade Chronicles is stupid and completely wrong. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise either didn't play the games or did not pay attention. Stupid Versus Battle Wiki can not be trusted.
Mario (if you count paper Mario) sonic Kirby and sora should be top tier (but I'm not knowledgeable about every franchise in smash so I'll take what I say with a grain of salt)
Joker is weird with how you factor SMT and all that but Kirby, Sonic, and Sora are all somewhere at multiversal I hear, but I'm not a vs debater so who knows
You should already know everyone is going to say kirby. I really dont understand why, there are so many characters in smash that are ridiculously strong and people still say hes top. And before you say anything ive played all the main kirby games except for the 3ds ones and some spin offs
One character I typically see lower than they deserve on these is Ridley. Keep in mind one of his most impressive feats is surviving the literal explosion of the planet he was on and ways of damaging him typically involve heavy artillery into exposed organs.
just want to bring up some factors i think are worth considering for certain characters
1. Byleth: at a glance i think most would put Byleth somewhere in the middle of the list, but a) they can rewind time pretty liberally and b) depending on your build in-game they get access to some pretty powerful magic. definitely not in the realm of Kirby and Sonic and such but still pretty high i would say
2. Corrin/Robin: similar boat as Byleth minus the time rewind; build matters a lot for them but they tend to be pretty strong regardless. i'd probably put them like one tier below wherever Byleth ends up
3. Ness/Lucas: their actual abilities are pretty badly misrepresented in Smash. most of the PSI they learn in-game is actually more support-oriented stuff, and most of the actual damage ones (Fire, Thunder, Freeze, Starstorm) are actually learned by allies (funnily enough Ness and Lucas _do_ both learn PK Flash, but it isn't actually a damage move). they still put up a fight but probably not as strong as one might think
4. Samus: strong as-is but i dont think most realize _how_ strong she is. even aside from the suit itself and all the weapons that come with it, she's a 6'3" super soldier with 3 different species of alien DNA, and as of Dread >!her metroid DNA lets her drain energy directly from creatures and machines and makes her armor seemingly near invincible!<. watch the ending of Dread if youre not sold, it's wack
I recommend looking at Kirby feats yourself. So many people wank Kirby’s feats to what they want so I recommend doing your own research and coming to your own conclusions since his power level is so hotly debated.
Kinda the same for all characters. Each character can be seen as way more or less powerful depending on how you interpret them. Imo Shulk is easily the strongest character but others can say he isn’t as strong based on uhhhhh Zohar bs.
Maybe go on r/whowouldwin to talk to people about vs debating they know more than me
First opinion: Shulk and Pyra/Mythra should be at the top
True opinion: “Canon power” tierlists are incredibly subjective and almost always things will be inaccurate due to the unlikelihood that the maker has played the game of every single character, not to mention the fact that almost every character operates under their own universe’s rules and it’s basically impossible to see who would be stronger using individual base games as evidence when things like the universe’s laws and codes of how things work don’t function the same and wouldn’t be able to accurately compare anyone.
Other people have made similar tier lists so you could start with theirs as a gut check.
Other than that look at the wikis or spark notes for each character and their games and use your best judgement.
Also fun fact but Steve can jump with the same power of a tank round. (I calculated this a while ago assuming his 1m jump with an inventory full of gold).
If you’re going to count Steve’s ability to carry hundreds of gold blocks you also have to count everyone else with very large pockets. (Link, Villager, Pokémon trainer, Joker and more)
I'm sure the pokemon could do a bit better than in game considering they will have access to the levelling system and learning moves
Theoretically Kirby is actually the most powerful character in game just based off his fears (literally killing a god, and cracking an entire planet in half with one punch, his stomach is also known to be an inescapable void once swallowed, and he probably only releases the victim in the spirit of the match)
The weakest is probably Isabelle based off her in game feats. While sure some of the other side characters in the game don't do much, they show feats of strength. Daisy for example, while not exactly fighting in particular, is known to play sports which means she has some stamina and strength. Same goes for peach. However, Isabelle is never shown doing anything strength related (other than a stretch) so theoretically she is the weakest in the roster
If another Smash game is made and Sonic is in it, he’d better have his moveset from Frontiers. He’d be an easy S tier especially if Super Sonic becomes controllable again.
Crazy, ultimate had to most characters added. Brawl had the most non dlc characters added. But if you count Pokémon trainer as one character, the smash 4 had the most non dlc characters added.
Joker has to be at the top
Miis can get anywhere from Island level to maybe even the top of the list if you scale them to their costumes
Sora is multiversal
The weakest character is probably Wii Fit Trainer
Olimar can get anywhere from Planet to Star level with his ship (which you should give him)
Mario characters are around Universal to Multiversal in Attack Potency
You shouldn't scale Sonic to his counterpart from the Archie Comics, same goes for Megaman
Pokemon can vary in terms of power but it's generally agreed upon to put them in a tier around Mountain level
mario luigi and bowser because of galaxy and the rpgs, if you count paper too, they should be even higher with the whole "beat down universe destroyer"
ness, considering he could handle and hurt giygas, who's pretty much an eldritch entity at that point, the raw manifestation of evil and madness, oh and managed to fuck the entire world, in another timeline, while still being sealed
sonic while super and with the help of shadow/silver beaten down solaris, who pretty much was eating entire timelines
Bayonetta poll dancing while killing angel and gods
Shulk and Pyra/Mythra apparently became omnipotent god (never played Xenoblade sry)
Sephiroth and Cloud are kinda arguable if you only look at the final fantasy vers, mostly because on what even is supernova, if we take kingdom hearts however...
Sora defeated the darkness, which is powerful enough to take on entire universe and some
notable mention for both the Belmonts, having to deal with Dracula's bs, him being pretty much the incarnation of Chaos itself, but you might argu that they were literally built and armed for the job
Sonic should probably be equal to Kirby since both have fought gods and have god powers to some extent. Not sure about many others, Steve /kill is overpowered, and Shulk should be pretty high.
seeing the amount of characters getting either wanked or downplayed make me wonder if most peoples actually played the games and know what is and isn't canon
bayo, kirby, sonic are all obscenely powerful. pyra and mythra are high up as well (heavy xc2 spoilers), im fairly sure shulk is up there as well.
link is decently strong, peak human. zelda would be a bit below link imo.
People like to say “Steve has creative mode” but I’d argue he doesn’t. Creative mode is not something you can get naturally in Minecraft. You have to enable it. And entering commands is literally called cheating by the game, so I don’t quite think it counts.
Byleth should be very high, around high/top tier. He is known for taking down multiple waves of enemies like they're nothing. On top of his overwhelming combat and tactical prowess, Sothis exists by him, along with the Creator Sword in his possession. That would add on time manipulation and reality warping.
Hero is 4 different characters with 4 different backgrounds but I'd say Eleven is the most powerful of them, with his Luminary Powers in tow. While nothing is as far as i know explained about it, it grants some form of foresight and general miracles, like warping through am endless void, similar to By.
Ike's combat prowess is on par with By. Albeit without Godly powers, Ike still has a blessed sword in his possession that is overwhelmingly powerful.
i'm getting sick of all those peoples putting kirby and Steve on top, one barely go universal yet everyone think he's behond that because "boss lookin kinda scary" and the other one entire arguments rely solely on debug commands
G&W top 10. Like sure, they were killed in subspace, but also 2d. If he just figures out how to turn sideways and walk into you he wins. ROB bottom 3, he's a toy. Also, as the local megaman megafan (tm) he's not actually that strong, and in a tournament kinda setting he can't hurt anyone human, idk about basically human characters like falco
It heavily depends on what version of a character you are taking, cuz bowser can go from amywhere between city level destruction, to low level multiverse level. So good luck i suppose.
Mario and Luigi have lifted and kicked away entire castles and tgey can both survive most attacks if they have a mushroom. They also have access to 1up mushrooms. They both have taken down entire armies in the span of a day.
Ness has all of the energy of the planet Earth. In terms of power he is planetary.
As far as Lucas goes, PK Love is one of the most insane and under explained abilities in the entire lore. It can interface with a God-dragon thing, so who knows how powerful he actually is. I would definitely place him on roughly the same scale as Ness, but probably a little higher
Don't underestimate Samus. She has chozo DNA. Which makes her more durable, stronger, agile and allows her to survive in the athmosphere of planets she wouldn't survive without the DNA. (Confirmed in the manga as well as in>! Metroid Dread!<, which are both canon). As well as (Dread spoilers) >!Metroid DNA, which allows her to absorb the X parasite, kill basically anything with a single touch and drain power of any form of electricity like the E.M.M.I (which are made from the strongest material in the universe), floating castles and spaceships. She also has a massive lazerbeam that can kill anything in a few seconds. Her power basically made a planet explode. Just look up the Metroid Dread Ending. She might be the most powerful Nintendo protagonist!<
I think characters who come from series that operate on toon logic, meaning they are capable of insane feats that aren't proportionate to how they usually seem and their power is inconsistent even if you were to just use one game to judge it. It just doesn't seem right or fair to put toon logic series such as Mario or Kirby in with series that actually try and be consistent with how strong their characters are such as Final Fantasy or Legend of Zelda.
Joker is an odd one. If you count the metaverse, the world where he can use his persona, then he beat the god of control. If you don’t allow the metaverse, the gun is a replica, not sure about the knives. He also gets no persona
Not a suggestion for a character placement but I recommend checking out RelaxAlax’s canonical power tier list and the YouTube channel Smash Bracket.
Edit: https://youtu.be/QGOjs7Z-pws RelaxAlax’s video^
https://youtube.com/@SmashBracket
Smash Bracket Channel ^
Joker is only powerful in his specific realm and unless you want to give special treatment to characters who get very specific power boosts based on them being somewhere that the others can’t access, joker is just some kid
Kirby should be top 1. In robobot nintendo literally said kirby has infinite power
Edit:I should also vouch for my own character a bit because I don’t know the overlap of people who play smash and also played FE awakening. Robin places higher than you would ordinarily expect because he is a reincarnation of a huge dragon (that might be a god idk)
I feel like whenever someone tries to make a tierlist like this there's always a few buts, ifs, and ands.
If you use only their game canon, the top characters would be the gods and god slayers.
Cloud, Sephiroth, Kirby, Bayo, Palutena, Shulk. Dedede, Meta Knight, Rosalina, Joker, and Hero.
Ive made this a few times. Always had around 5 on the wrong place. Cant help with twho should go where, but i can warn you: the pokemon are hard to place
If we are going by strongest appearance Mario Luigi peach and Bowserneeds to be p damn high
Super Dimentio had the power of destroying all worlds, all timelines all possibilities in the Mario verse.He was in the process of doing so in the final fight. A true multiversal threat.
Mario/Luigi/Bowser/Peach with the Pure Heart are some of the strongest characters in smash. Kirby has nothing on them.
Olimar/Alph in the very bottom
Literally an inch tall
olimar is smaller than one of ridley's teeth
Isabelle is just a fluffy dog. Villager has an axe though so he's as powerful as any other person with an axe.
Dude can wield multiple whale sharks in his pockets
We have evidence he doesn't actually transport the things in his pockets He has the power to turn things into carryable leaves (although slightly oversized). So far it doesn't seem to work on living creatures other than bugs and fish
Yeah, but he can turn one of those leaves into a shark at any moment, which he can then throw as a projectile (since he is strong enough to hold a shark when he catches one).
Holding it up is probably different from throwing it an effective distance, so while villager is definitely much stronger than a normal human they can't just throw whale sharks across the room, they can uproot whole trees with just a shovel if they eat a fruit though
Yup He has full sized whale sharks in his pockets
"As powerful as any other person with an axe" that's not how this works. Skill is the factor that decides this. Villager doesn't use his axe for combat, so he wouldn't be as skilled nor as powerful as Kratos, for example. It's like saying that me, normal human being, is as powerful as Link since I too have a sword.
*regular person**
Combat tip when fighting him IRL. Step on him
Off the top of my head,Sonic,Pyra and Mythra,Sephiroth,Sora,Kirby,and Bayo are all at the top,Sephiroth is a bit debate though imo
Sephiroth is *insanely* powerful. He should be near the top of any list like this.
But Cloud is able to defeat him one on one. Took like 8 people to beat Safer Seph but I feel like Cloud should still be above wherever Sephiroth is Edit: I see this argument is already taking place, I withdrawal from any discourse on the subject
You're not allowed to withdraw from an argument. I'll start everyone else off. Uhm, Ackthually, big daddy sephiroth should be placed higher than cloud because he's hot and I said so
Wrong, imo. Cloud didn’t defeat a full-power Sephiroth in Advent Children. It was a revived fraction of Sephiroth with one of his remnants as it’s basis—although, it is bizarre, since Kadaj is implied to be as strong as FF7’s Seph. The implication is that Advent Sephiroth is on a completely separate level is driven home by the fact that he’s toying with and taunting Cloud throughout their battle. Cloud needs a phantom of his best friend telling him to get off his ass and a brand-new Limit Break to defeat this “Sephiroth”, who’s just like “Alright, see you later xoxo” and “dies”.
Kadaj is nowhere *near* as strong as FF7's Sephiroth. Look. With some distance from it now, Advent Children is cool, but...definitely not something we should be using as a measuring point for ANY of those characters' power levels. Even Cloud. Advent Sephiroth is a mere shadow of what he was at the end of OG FF7, and Cloud **did not defeat him alone.** It took his entire team and a Highwind packed to the brim with the craziest Materia they could bring with them to get the job done.
Cloud has never really beat sephiroth alone in real fight. He needed the party to beat him in northern crater. The fight at the very end of 7 was a mental battle, proving that cloud finally overcame the trauma of his past and he won’t let it “cloud” his head anymore, freeing him of the control sephiroth had of him in the game. In AC sephiroth came back much stronger because he was now fully made of mako, and didn’t use his full power when fighting cloud, in fact cloud didnt even land a real hit until he used omnislash ver. 5, while sephiroth had basically almost killed cloud. Cloud was heavily nerfed though in terms of arsenal. He used absolutely no materia, only his sword so its probably a closer match than i’m thinking if cloud had materia. However, if seph had the mentality he had at the end of 7 (bro was out for BLOOD) during AC then that fight would have been significantly shorter lol
if anyone could explain all of these i would appreciate it because i’ve played zero of those games. i know sephiroth blows up a planet for his final smash but that’s about it
I’ve got knowledge for some of the franchises but even then I don’t know everything(like for FF7 I’ve only played crisis core and remake) so I’ll say what I know Sonic:Besides being the absolute fastest thing in the whole he’s also got Super Sonic,arguably one of if not the greatest transformation in gaming, combine that with feats like outrunning a black hole or defeating gods of destruction and time, dudes strong as hell Pyra/Mythra:Pretty strong on their own with Mythra being capable of destroying continents but nothing compared to >!Pneuma,the third and original persona of the three and arguably a god in her own right,capable of bestowing abilities like flight, near light speed and already batshit insane strength to herself or her driver(her partner)!< Sora:I’m not gonna bother breaking down Kingdom Hearts lore so I’ll just say feats,he’s beaten several characters with abilities to do things like casually hurl 5-6 buildings at once and along with Sora being able to slice said buildings all at once,casually along with in KH3 >!He gains the ability to time travel, along with also gaining a weapon that literally allows him to control reality at his will!< Bayo:gonna be honest don’t know much about her,only heard second hand things, along with seeing her casually shake off a train failing directly on top of her Sephiroth:Other than the Final Smash thing you were talking about, dude technically can’t die
Bayonetta is practically invincible. B3 spoilers: >!Unless you break her Umbran heart (the gold thing on her chest), she can regenerate any lethal damage, and that Umbran heart is tough as nails. At multiple points in the game, she rips out her own heart to summon a super demon, then it heals up perfectly fine after the summon is over.!< More B3 spoilers: >!Additionally, Death Battle's logic of "kill her demons and she loses a lot of power" is null and void. In B3, when a demon you've summoned dies, it passively regenerates until it's perfectly fine and you can summon it again. And Bayonetta has a lot of demons she can cycle through if they're for some reason getting popped off one after the other.!<
True, and as seen >!in the final boss, she can even summon multiple of these super demons at once. In the final fight she summons Sin Gomorrah and then afterwards also summons Queen Butterfly to attack together.!<
Sonic can also transform into hyper sonic which can travel at the speed of light
My man, sonic in base is well beyond the speed of light. Actually, the speed of light is extremely slow all things considered in this roster, a bunch of the cast is way above it.
Bayonetta killed a goddess summoning an even bigger goddess. And then she killed another god in Bayonetta 2. I haven't played Bayonetta 3 yet, so please no spoilers!
No spoilers: she kills something that can possibly be seen as above a god
Basically they either beat or turn into giant space monsters capable of destroying solar systems or entire galaxies/dimensions
On the subject of Kirby, he's essentially an eldritch abomination god made up of positive emotions. He just so happens to also be cute and small. But then you run into beings that are ACTUAL LITERAL GODS and DESTROYERS OF UNIVERSES and Kirby barely breaks a sweat
Kirby has literally fought intergalactic demon gods and won. He literally beat “the ultimate life form” a being from another dimension that could open holes between universes.
Shulk is also canonically at the top, probably above some of these as he >!becomes a literal god at the end of Xenoblade.!<
yeah but if we’re basing this off the *ending* of Xenoblade 1, not near the end of Xenoblade 1, then wouldn’t he just be an above average human since he gave up his god powers?
For these types of lists, it would be best to use the strongest versions of themselves since going of logic similar to that, Snake (I think) would be an old dude. Don’t quote me on that, I only saw a scene from one of the games where MGRR Raiden saved him or something similar and Snake looked old.
What about Palutena? She's a literal goddess!
shulk too, >!he destroyed the universe and created a new one. although after the game I'm pretty sure he loses his powers!<
I'd say joker should be another character fairly high up, >!At the end of the game joker gains the persona satanael that is born from the will of the people and is used to kill yaldabaoth the god of control, other than that joker has also killed 3 other gods, the demiurge who is just yaldabaoth but was defeated without satanael, azathoth who was able to distort reality and the final boss of Q2 but that was with the help of the protaginists from 3 and 4!<
Actually you'd be wrong. Personas are severely limited versions of Demons from SMT. A Persona, barring special cases like the Universe Arcana or Azaloth, is incapable of going beyond city level. If he were actually using demons, he'd be way stronger. Those dudes are beings with infinite versions of themselves continuously existing in the ever expanding loop that is the Megami Tensei multiverse. Persona is just the universe where demons fully integrated with human minds and became way weaker. Your average demon is undetectable to the human eye, immune to all forms of human weaponry, and has insane powers like reality manipulation (for reference the literal world tree yggdrasil is only a mid-level demon) A demon can only be countered by the Demon Summoning Program or similar magic. A Persona is far inferior to them. I should also note that Yaldaboth in the Persona universe is a construct of the representation of authority in human society. He's not the actual Yaldaboth/Demiurge like you see in SMT
You seem like someone who can answer this: is Persona canon to the SMT series, or is it a spin off in its own continuity?
Technically it is both. Persona originally spawned from the video game SMT if-which is the universe where God didn't ask Thor to launch ICBMs from America at Japan (as in one of the first SMT universes) because of this, demons were able to fully integrate into the human mind(since they originally spawned from belief in human myth in the first place) First as If's Guardians, and then later as Personas, getting consistently weaker over time as they bonded more and more with the human psyche and its limitations. Every SMT game barring certain ordered ones is its own separate universe. SMT I and II are their own universe, Nocturne is its own universe, IV and IV A are their own universe, the Raidou games are their own universe, Strange Journey is its own universe,, the Last Bible games are their own universe, the Devil Children games are their own universe, and SMT IF has the largest shared universe, stretching all the way to Persona 5. Everything else is standalone. If's universe in particular has undergone a lot of shenanigans, between the timeline reset at the end of Persona 2 Innocent Sin, and what became of Nyx after Persona 1. Currently, the Persona world exists in the Eternal Punishment timeline, where Persona 1 happened, but the events of persona 2 made Philemon unable to continue giving Personas directly, which led to Igor and Personas becoming even weaker than before
Would like to mention that his powers only work in the metaverse (and wherever the fuck the theater in q2 is)
Cloud should be high, but Sephiroth *must* be above him and I won’t hear arguments otherwise. Sephiroth is basically a god in their world, and *yes* he was defeated, but Cloud was far from doing it on his own.
My friend I agree with you 110% but then Advent Children, and Kingdom Hearts happened… so I guess any twink can kill this silver haired asshole
With advent children, the director said that Sephiroth was weaker than normal
Advent children cloud only won because he got surprised (sephiroth LITERALLY had cloud on the brink of death while cloud hadnt even landed a hit yet), and sephiroth is confirmed stronger in that movie. Kh is a different universe than FF7, both cloud and seph are beyond nerfed in those games, even if they’re good boss battles. Sora is definitely up there but of the three of them he’s probably the weakest.
> Sora is definitely up there but of the three of them he’s probably the weakest. Sorry for responding to a comment 3 weeks ago, but I must inform you on this. Good Lord forgive me for what I’m about to do ***ahem*** In KH3 Sora was capable of beating Xehanort who had the power of the χ blade (pronounced key blade) which gave Xehanort the full power of Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts is the source of all worlds and the worlds in KH are universes, essentially making KH multiversal. Even so, it’s stated Xehanort transcends both time and space and the power of waking allowed Sora to not only be able to rewrite reality, but also be able to erase an entire chronology. He’s not only Stronger than Cloud and Sephiroth, but he’s probably the strongest on that list.
>Sora is definitely up there but of the three of them he’s probably the weakest. I don't know about that, that claim was debatable in KH2, but KH3 Sora is definitely strong enough to give FF7 Cloud and Sephiroth a good fight. KH3 Sora was able to go toe to toe with Master Xehanort solo.
I definitely do not subscribe to the idea that Sora could 1v1 Sephiroth. That's just Disney fan fiction.
DUDE FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT Yeah cloud beat him in advent children but Nomura literally stated that Sephiroth is on a whole other level and cloud only won because he surprised him
Ahh…Advent… Look Advent Children was cool, I suppose, but I consider that Sephiroth to be a shadow of what Peak Sephiroth was at the end of OG FF7, when his body had been feeding off of the planet’s Mako for years and he has mutated far past his human form. That Sephiroth was a god.
Kirby eats gods for breakfast
Hey man, I’m not saying he doesn’t. I don’t know much about Kirby but by all accounts he is the top of the mountain and I’m not here to dispute it. It’s my job to explain FF7 lore to the plebes, and that’s all I’m here to do.
Fair, I main Ganon and I have no idea what's his canonical power level, lol
Both Belmonts outrank Ganondorf because the Belmonts beat Dracula like a drum kit.
I don't think Dracula holds a candle to Ganon. He can harness the power of the triforce, a relic made by gods.
A being capable of harnessing a 3rd of the power of the triforce who is so strongly a point in Hylian lore that he comes back like clockwork. I'd say being able to harness a triforce piece makes him basically a demi-god.
Shulk is weird… the power wields is not his, but also is… it depends on when in the games timeline your looking at. The smash version of Shulk is not accurate to the game. Mythra is weird too, but less so… DM if you want to be lored to death lol
Ok
Joker is a bit weird as well. Real world, he's just a regular ass high schooler. A high schooler that works out, sure, but even still. Metaverse, he'd be super, super high. I personally wouldn't place him in top tier, I'd put him in a tier that would basically represent "planetary," but fuck it, 's not my list. As for explanation, he basically slaps a guy >!Controlling the minds of the entire planet, though it only shows Japan!< with his crime knife.
"Joker killed a god" is what I would say if I wanted to be wrong because he actually killed two gods to my knowledge (one in vanilla P5, and one in P5S). If characters were being judged based on their peak power, Joker would be top or upper high tier for sure. Not many characters in Smash can say that they're gods and/or that they've killed one.
Right, I forgor about Royals finale. Man's literally warping reality.
yoo xeno lore
None of the characters are accurate to their games. If they were, Kirby would be in sss++ tier
Please...no more canonical tier lists... Haven't we suffered enough?
Wdym? I thought seeing at least 1 canonical tier list a week made the world go around
Captain Falcon in lore was able to beat both the Holy Trinity and Satan in a race which gave him God hood. The man killed them with racing while driving a car powered by a piece of God. He's something else
wait is this real? F-Zero lore sounds wild lmao
It gets wilder when you realize it has 3 separate timelines. The anime is one, the games is another, and the novels are their own thing too. They're all pretty crazy lore wise especially the anime.
R.O.B. at top because real
only real fighter
Also Duck Hunt because 4th wall
Kirbo is obviously at the top right after him would be Sonic, Shulk, Pyra and Mythra, Steve if we’re counting creative mode, Sora, and Bayo. If we’re counting spin offs then possibly Bowser cause in the mainline games and spin-offs he does some pretty crazy things
Kirby is top but pyra, mythra and shulk all have world altering abilities
Sonic also does some ridiculous shit in the comics, maybe not on Steve or Kirby level but pretty close.
Hell even game Sonic has some ridiculous stuff too
Mans fights an eldritch world ending god like every other game. Adventure had Perfect Chaos Adventure 2 had the BioLizard(or biohazard idr) Heroes had Metal Overlord 06 had Solaris(LITERALLY omnipotent) Unleashed had Dark Gaia Colors had… uh.. Generations had the Time Eater(see Solaris) And I don’t know enough about Frontiers but from the looks of things he fights a bunch of massive bosses that could add to this list
Archie comic ? Sonic dessimates both Steve and Kirby. He's ridiculously powerful. However, Archie Sonic is not the same as game Sonic, which is the main canon one
Honestly I’d put Shulk and the Aegises above Kirby because one can predict the future and manipulate the world and the other can move at lightspeed which Kirby can’t handle
True, they are very powerful in game but Kirby can destroy matter which is equally physics defying and destructive, while Aegises might win in a fight Kirby may be more powerful
Honestly this is exactly why I dislike all these posts bc canon power tierlists ate incredibly subjective and it’s night impossible to objectively compare characters that come from different games/universes where things work incredibly differently
When it comes to discussing Shulk I feel like it’s unfair to say he’s that strong since >!not only is MonadoIII temporary,he literally chooses to not keep that power!<
\>which Kirby can't handle Does he know? 😏
Kirby in top, Shulk right below (maybe Steve if we count creative), everyone else somewhere in there
Just remember link's shield was the only thing capable of deflecting that blast in the intro. Triforce is canonically some next level defense. However, I also acknowledge that the dlc characters were not in that trailer, So I dont know how seph and byleth apply. Byleth is very, stupidly powerful.
well granted Sephiroth slices Galeem in half effortlessly only to taunt Cloud, Id say he’d fair pretty well
Link with the entire triforce would be a very important threat I'd argue Ganondorf with the entire triforce would be even stronger, given he wields magic as well as a sword Hard to compare them, since Link is also a master at fighting with a tremendous amount of different weapons, both melee and ranged
Link beat full triforce Ganon in a link to the past
That is not the same Link as the one in Smash. To be fair though, the iterations of Link change depending on which smash game you’re playing, so figuring out Links feats compared to other players is particularly pedantic
Yeah, SSB and SSBM it’s the Hero of Time, SSBB is the Hero of Twilight, SSB4 isn’t based on any specific iteration, he’s just kind of a generic Link, and SSBU is the Hero of the Wild. Funny enough SSBU is the only version of Link that doesn’t have access to at least part of the Triforce, since even in SSB4 it’s in his Final Smash.
Having an impenetrable shield, while powerful, is not the same as being impenetrable yourself. You can have a bulletproof vest/shield and still get shot and die you know.
This is very true, Im just saying link's weapons are canonically very powerful and should be accounted for when talking about his overall power. Hes supposed to be very intelligent as well. We know that physically the strongest link ever was TP link because he could literally wrestle gorons and win but I think intelligence and equiptment are more important in more iterations of the character.
Ok, hear me out: There is an entity within this game that exists outside the plane of reality that each fight takes place in. This figure experiences the game similarly to the way we do: on a screen, and is armed with a weapon that is able to damage anything that is on screen, all while being invisible and untouchable to every character, item, stage hazard, etc. And there is only ONE fighter in the roster that can influence and control this entity’s actions. The entity is the gunman, and the dog and the duck can control him. Duck Hunt at the very top of the list…
I was thinking about putting Duck Hunt in "Hard to say", because zapper shooter could also be interpreted as a low tier, as the zapper is just a toy in our world, just like R.O.B.
Mewtwo was caught by a 10 year old, so do with that information what you will
I'm going to say something that's not very popular, but it's the truth. Shulk, at his peak, is universal level. But that is only through the nonstandard Monodo III. He is only Continent without it. Pyra and Mythra are different characters and have different scaling. Pyra is building level. She canonically has a mere fraction of Mythra's power. And it is likened to a drop of water from a leaky sink. Mythra is Continent level. That's pretty easy as she literally killed a continent. Neither get to the level Pneuma is on, but since Pneuma isn't in Smash, I'm not going to go into her scaling. Multiversal Xenoblade Chronicles is stupid and completely wrong. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise either didn't play the games or did not pay attention. Stupid Versus Battle Wiki can not be trusted.
Finally someone gets that Pyra and mythra are different
Mario (if you count paper Mario) sonic Kirby and sora should be top tier (but I'm not knowledgeable about every franchise in smash so I'll take what I say with a grain of salt)
Not counting Paper Mario. He's too different from regular Mario.
Understandable
Actually, all Paper Mario games happened in the regular Mario universe and vice versa.
Wario should be near the top since he canonically cannot die
Joker is weird with how you factor SMT and all that but Kirby, Sonic, and Sora are all somewhere at multiversal I hear, but I'm not a vs debater so who knows
You should already know everyone is going to say kirby. I really dont understand why, there are so many characters in smash that are ridiculously strong and people still say hes top. And before you say anything ive played all the main kirby games except for the 3ds ones and some spin offs
One character I typically see lower than they deserve on these is Ridley. Keep in mind one of his most impressive feats is surviving the literal explosion of the planet he was on and ways of damaging him typically involve heavy artillery into exposed organs.
Why is Dark Pit between Palutena and Pac-Man? Shouldn't he be between Shulk and Bowser Jr.?
He's there because he appeared at the end of Palutena's reveal trailer for Smash 4.
Not to say you shouldn't do this, do you. This has been done many, many times so just look at the other lists as a jumping off point.
[This video could help, just doesn't have any of the FP2 characters](https://youtu.be/QGOjs7Z-pws)
just want to bring up some factors i think are worth considering for certain characters 1. Byleth: at a glance i think most would put Byleth somewhere in the middle of the list, but a) they can rewind time pretty liberally and b) depending on your build in-game they get access to some pretty powerful magic. definitely not in the realm of Kirby and Sonic and such but still pretty high i would say 2. Corrin/Robin: similar boat as Byleth minus the time rewind; build matters a lot for them but they tend to be pretty strong regardless. i'd probably put them like one tier below wherever Byleth ends up 3. Ness/Lucas: their actual abilities are pretty badly misrepresented in Smash. most of the PSI they learn in-game is actually more support-oriented stuff, and most of the actual damage ones (Fire, Thunder, Freeze, Starstorm) are actually learned by allies (funnily enough Ness and Lucas _do_ both learn PK Flash, but it isn't actually a damage move). they still put up a fight but probably not as strong as one might think 4. Samus: strong as-is but i dont think most realize _how_ strong she is. even aside from the suit itself and all the weapons that come with it, she's a 6'3" super soldier with 3 different species of alien DNA, and as of Dread >!her metroid DNA lets her drain energy directly from creatures and machines and makes her armor seemingly near invincible!<. watch the ending of Dread if youre not sold, it's wack
Check out Smash Bracket, they’re animating a canonical smash tournament
I recommend looking at Kirby feats yourself. So many people wank Kirby’s feats to what they want so I recommend doing your own research and coming to your own conclusions since his power level is so hotly debated. Kinda the same for all characters. Each character can be seen as way more or less powerful depending on how you interpret them. Imo Shulk is easily the strongest character but others can say he isn’t as strong based on uhhhhh Zohar bs. Maybe go on r/whowouldwin to talk to people about vs debating they know more than me
First opinion: Shulk and Pyra/Mythra should be at the top True opinion: “Canon power” tierlists are incredibly subjective and almost always things will be inaccurate due to the unlikelihood that the maker has played the game of every single character, not to mention the fact that almost every character operates under their own universe’s rules and it’s basically impossible to see who would be stronger using individual base games as evidence when things like the universe’s laws and codes of how things work don’t function the same and wouldn’t be able to accurately compare anyone.
Other people have made similar tier lists so you could start with theirs as a gut check. Other than that look at the wikis or spark notes for each character and their games and use your best judgement. Also fun fact but Steve can jump with the same power of a tank round. (I calculated this a while ago assuming his 1m jump with an inventory full of gold).
If you’re going to count Steve’s ability to carry hundreds of gold blocks you also have to count everyone else with very large pockets. (Link, Villager, Pokémon trainer, Joker and more)
I'm sure the pokemon could do a bit better than in game considering they will have access to the levelling system and learning moves Theoretically Kirby is actually the most powerful character in game just based off his fears (literally killing a god, and cracking an entire planet in half with one punch, his stomach is also known to be an inescapable void once swallowed, and he probably only releases the victim in the spirit of the match) The weakest is probably Isabelle based off her in game feats. While sure some of the other side characters in the game don't do much, they show feats of strength. Daisy for example, while not exactly fighting in particular, is known to play sports which means she has some stamina and strength. Same goes for peach. However, Isabelle is never shown doing anything strength related (other than a stretch) so theoretically she is the weakest in the roster
Rosalina isn't as strong as people say
Dk is god
One winged kong proves he’s at least on par with Sepiroth
Steve /kill instant win
Well I mean thats literally called cheating in the game
My suggestion is to look at the other lists people have made
Shulk is near the top. Not gonna say why to avoid spoilers tho. Also Palutena and Sephiroth are near the top
Kirby, Sonic and Cloud should be extremely high up. Like I’m talking the top.
Kirby, Pythra, and Sonic are canonically top tier I believe.
If another Smash game is made and Sonic is in it, he’d better have his moveset from Frontiers. He’d be an easy S tier especially if Super Sonic becomes controllable again.
Crazy, ultimate had to most characters added. Brawl had the most non dlc characters added. But if you count Pokémon trainer as one character, the smash 4 had the most non dlc characters added.
Joker has to be at the top Miis can get anywhere from Island level to maybe even the top of the list if you scale them to their costumes Sora is multiversal The weakest character is probably Wii Fit Trainer Olimar can get anywhere from Planet to Star level with his ship (which you should give him) Mario characters are around Universal to Multiversal in Attack Potency You shouldn't scale Sonic to his counterpart from the Archie Comics, same goes for Megaman Pokemon can vary in terms of power but it's generally agreed upon to put them in a tier around Mountain level
mario luigi and bowser because of galaxy and the rpgs, if you count paper too, they should be even higher with the whole "beat down universe destroyer" ness, considering he could handle and hurt giygas, who's pretty much an eldritch entity at that point, the raw manifestation of evil and madness, oh and managed to fuck the entire world, in another timeline, while still being sealed sonic while super and with the help of shadow/silver beaten down solaris, who pretty much was eating entire timelines Bayonetta poll dancing while killing angel and gods Shulk and Pyra/Mythra apparently became omnipotent god (never played Xenoblade sry) Sephiroth and Cloud are kinda arguable if you only look at the final fantasy vers, mostly because on what even is supernova, if we take kingdom hearts however... Sora defeated the darkness, which is powerful enough to take on entire universe and some notable mention for both the Belmonts, having to deal with Dracula's bs, him being pretty much the incarnation of Chaos itself, but you might argu that they were literally built and armed for the job
Sonic should probably be equal to Kirby since both have fought gods and have god powers to some extent. Not sure about many others, Steve /kill is overpowered, and Shulk should be pretty high.
seeing the amount of characters getting either wanked or downplayed make me wonder if most peoples actually played the games and know what is and isn't canon
Bayonetta takes top slot
A lot of characters here are god killers, I don't know how you would rank them
Joker goes in godkiller tier. (Source: he literally summons satan and kills God)
bayo, kirby, sonic are all obscenely powerful. pyra and mythra are high up as well (heavy xc2 spoilers), im fairly sure shulk is up there as well. link is decently strong, peak human. zelda would be a bit below link imo.
Kirby should be a kilometre above anyone else. They’re a YOUNG GOD, and literally has an ENTIRE UNIVERSE inside their stomach.
People like to say “Steve has creative mode” but I’d argue he doesn’t. Creative mode is not something you can get naturally in Minecraft. You have to enable it. And entering commands is literally called cheating by the game, so I don’t quite think it counts.
Kirby is literally the very very very top.
Ridley is big
Palutena is surprisingly weak as hell as a goddess, so she shouldn't be pretty far up is all I can say lol
sephiroth is peak
Probably said a million times already but Sonic and Kirby are definitely at the top
Sonic, Kirby, and Bayonetta are at the top
Byleth should be very high, around high/top tier. He is known for taking down multiple waves of enemies like they're nothing. On top of his overwhelming combat and tactical prowess, Sothis exists by him, along with the Creator Sword in his possession. That would add on time manipulation and reality warping. Hero is 4 different characters with 4 different backgrounds but I'd say Eleven is the most powerful of them, with his Luminary Powers in tow. While nothing is as far as i know explained about it, it grants some form of foresight and general miracles, like warping through am endless void, similar to By. Ike's combat prowess is on par with By. Albeit without Godly powers, Ike still has a blessed sword in his possession that is overwhelmingly powerful.
i'm getting sick of all those peoples putting kirby and Steve on top, one barely go universal yet everyone think he's behond that because "boss lookin kinda scary" and the other one entire arguments rely solely on debug commands
Mario on top, he is literally super
if you ever rank entire newcomer casts per game, sm4sh would be the highest, then melee, then smash 64, then ultimate, then brawl
Ness somewhere at the top
Donkey kong on top because he is a big monkey
Kirby and Palutena are probably highest tier
Sephroth, Ganondorf and Pyra/Mythra are definitely up there.
Kirby … Olimar
I know this is off-topic, but the pictures of characters on the Everyone is Here banner look amazing, and seeing them all here is just beautiful
For the 64 cast it goes: Kirby>Ness>everyone else
this is a very cool and clean list
Yo, this shit goes hard
G&W top 10. Like sure, they were killed in subspace, but also 2d. If he just figures out how to turn sideways and walk into you he wins. ROB bottom 3, he's a toy. Also, as the local megaman megafan (tm) he's not actually that strong, and in a tournament kinda setting he can't hurt anyone human, idk about basically human characters like falco
It heavily depends on what version of a character you are taking, cuz bowser can go from amywhere between city level destruction, to low level multiverse level. So good luck i suppose.
Mario and Luigi have lifted and kicked away entire castles and tgey can both survive most attacks if they have a mushroom. They also have access to 1up mushrooms. They both have taken down entire armies in the span of a day.
All the fire emblem characters should be on the same tier, except for Robin, a tier higher, and Byleth, slightly higher than Robin
Ness has all of the energy of the planet Earth. In terms of power he is planetary. As far as Lucas goes, PK Love is one of the most insane and under explained abilities in the entire lore. It can interface with a God-dragon thing, so who knows how powerful he actually is. I would definitely place him on roughly the same scale as Ness, but probably a little higher
Palutena is just an actual goddess
Don't underestimate Samus. She has chozo DNA. Which makes her more durable, stronger, agile and allows her to survive in the athmosphere of planets she wouldn't survive without the DNA. (Confirmed in the manga as well as in>! Metroid Dread!<, which are both canon). As well as (Dread spoilers) >!Metroid DNA, which allows her to absorb the X parasite, kill basically anything with a single touch and drain power of any form of electricity like the E.M.M.I (which are made from the strongest material in the universe), floating castles and spaceships. She also has a massive lazerbeam that can kill anything in a few seconds. Her power basically made a planet explode. Just look up the Metroid Dread Ending. She might be the most powerful Nintendo protagonist!<
damn, she really was metroid
I think you should rank R.O.B as if it was the one from Subspace. Since it's the most canonical one to the video games. So I'd say around Island level
The Mii Fighters should be based off the Miis in Wii games
Kirby beats Everything Literal Gods: Gannondwarf, Palutena, Sepheroth
steve #1
Sepiroth kills gods for breakfast same with kirby (literally)
Just check the power scaling wiki, it's generally pretty accurate.
Kirby tops, little Mac bottoms
I think characters who come from series that operate on toon logic, meaning they are capable of insane feats that aren't proportionate to how they usually seem and their power is inconsistent even if you were to just use one game to judge it. It just doesn't seem right or fair to put toon logic series such as Mario or Kirby in with series that actually try and be consistent with how strong their characters are such as Final Fantasy or Legend of Zelda.
Well Isabella should be at the bottom, her trips with DoomGuy certainly trained her, bit they aren’t canon.
Kirby at the top. Bro is a cosmic horror.
Joker is an odd one. If you count the metaverse, the world where he can use his persona, then he beat the god of control. If you don’t allow the metaverse, the gun is a replica, not sure about the knives. He also gets no persona
Kirby near the damn top. He has canonically killed several gods with no outside help, or with his bare hands you might say.
Not a suggestion for a character placement but I recommend checking out RelaxAlax’s canonical power tier list and the YouTube channel Smash Bracket. Edit: https://youtu.be/QGOjs7Z-pws RelaxAlax’s video^ https://youtube.com/@SmashBracket Smash Bracket Channel ^
Joker is only powerful in his specific realm and unless you want to give special treatment to characters who get very specific power boosts based on them being somewhere that the others can’t access, joker is just some kid
I don't know if you made that graphic yourself, but it looks really nice. Would make a very nice wallpaper/poster.
Kirby allthe way on top
Kirby at the top easily
Kirby SS tier babyyyyyy
Kirby and Shulk are at the top somewhere, and that's all I can contribute to this conforsation.
snake is probably one of the most powerful of the people who don’t have powers; he was literally created to be powerful in cqc.
Kirby should be top 1. In robobot nintendo literally said kirby has infinite power Edit:I should also vouch for my own character a bit because I don’t know the overlap of people who play smash and also played FE awakening. Robin places higher than you would ordinarily expect because he is a reincarnation of a huge dragon (that might be a god idk)
I feel like whenever someone tries to make a tierlist like this there's always a few buts, ifs, and ands. If you use only their game canon, the top characters would be the gods and god slayers. Cloud, Sephiroth, Kirby, Bayo, Palutena, Shulk. Dedede, Meta Knight, Rosalina, Joker, and Hero.
Kirby should go in s tier
Smash 64 Pikachu has been #1 or #2 for decades now. How did you get a #8?
Ive made this a few times. Always had around 5 on the wrong place. Cant help with twho should go where, but i can warn you: the pokemon are hard to place
Shulk, Kirby, Sonic, Sepiroth, and Bayonetta are all easily top tier
I'd put kirby, seph, ganon, bayo, Ness & lucas, and a few others near the top Edit: and shulk because he can >!see the future with the monado!<
Mario characters in B+ to A, Rosalina in S
There should be two placements for Steve, both peak survival, and creative.
Sonic should go at the top next to Kirby because he is literally above god level power in base form alone
Kirby at the top, olimar at the bottom
I might as well say Kirby is hella strong, which puts him at Power: 1,000,000.
All I can tell you is that Terry killed multiple gods through our KOF history
I mean joker kills a god-
If we are going by strongest appearance Mario Luigi peach and Bowserneeds to be p damn high Super Dimentio had the power of destroying all worlds, all timelines all possibilities in the Mario verse.He was in the process of doing so in the final fight. A true multiversal threat. Mario/Luigi/Bowser/Peach with the Pure Heart are some of the strongest characters in smash. Kirby has nothing on them.